How Chainsaw Man Handles the Shibuya Incident
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2023
- Could the cast from Chainsaw Man take on the Shibuya Incident arc of Jujutsu Kaisen? Denji, Aki Hayakawa and Power are going to try and stop Makima from being sealed by the Disaster Curses and Kenjaku. Along the way getting into major fights with Choso, Mahito, Dagon, Toji and others. Jujutsu Kaisen and the Shibuya Incident will be dropping in JJK Season 2!
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Now I’m just imagining Makima somehow sensing the Chainsaw Man’s awakening from within her prison and being genuinely annoyed that she isn’t there to witness and fight the powerful devil like she wanted to in canon.
Wait makima just wanted to fight? That's not how I interpreted it
@@pieterhofkens7259 fighting Chainsaw Man wasn’t the goal, but it was a needed step for the Control Devil to be with the powerful devil. I admittedly don’t know the full details since I’m not into ChainsawMan, but I know that fighting Pochita was needed for her to do what she intended to do.
She could deadass get out of prison realm using the spider devil
@@ok.3114ehh I don't think so
@@pieterhofkens7259She needs to defeat Chainsaw man to see it as beneath her since she controls anything she perceives as inferior
There is one correction that I’d like to make, but even if Aki breaks into Dagons domain, it wouldn’t nullify the sure hit. We clearly see again Mahito that when Yuji broke the barrier, Mahito’s sure hit was still active as Sukuna felt Mahito touch him. The only reason Dagons domain gets nullified in the original story is because Megumi is clashing domains with him, not because Megumi made a hole to escape, just a bit of an oversight on your part.
But when the domain barrier is broken it just takes a couple seconds to collapse entirely. Only open domains like Sukuna's or Kenjaku's are inmune to this
@@miguelmiramon1505whe maki broke in to curse naoyo domain it didn’t break instantly it only broke after he died
@@miguelmiramon1505nanami literally said that breaking into a domain with a sure hit such as mahito’s and gojo’s is useless because the sure hit will still get you and kill you
@@calebwade6576 she didn’t break into the barrier she entered it freely hints why it broke when she killed him
@@calebwade6576Already been said, but just to add support, Maki didn't break into it. She just entered it.
That said, it's also still possible that Mahito's domain wouldn't have collapsed if Sukuna didn't attack and damage him, so it's still a gray area.
Chainsawman is literally if shibuya incident was an entire manga and not just an arc
Ngl yea
That's the kind of fanfiction we can enjoy
I wonder how Denji would react if Kishibe was in Nanami's place, would he get angry like Itadori or just neutral
@@theoriginalman9426I think (imo) he would essential react like how he did to Aki's death, he probably wouldn't react right away in the fight but might be sad later on alone with his thoughts and then acknowledge death.
real
Exactly especially there power levels are so similar
Idk if idle transfiguration is a guaranteed W for Mahito. Denji is shown to be much faster in hero mode to get hit, and it’s shown he isn’t affected by transfiguration from the doll devils or the war devil(they didn’t transfigure his soul but it does show he’s quite immune in that sense).
But Mahito still claps. He changes souls unlike the other devils
transfigured humans still bleed, it’s gonna be another denji vs eternity devil scenario
@@Hm.mmmm0 isnt stopping literal existence erasure chainsaws from ripping through him at many times ftl with ease
Wasn't Denji immune to Doll Devil because he was a hybrid (technically a devil) and as shown, Doll Devil can't turn other devils into dolls? Because Power was also unaffected.
@@frlol813Santa actually gain the ability to transform fiends and perhaps devils after eating the Darkness’ flesh
I feel like if Quanxi brought her fiends like how Mei Mei brought Ui Ui, Cosmo’s hax with saying Halloween could act as the instant hit of a domain expansion. Essentially, she has a variation of Infinite Void to pull up on Kenjaku with
Actually, you have a point
@@ambufan3242 yea! Though given how knowledgeable Kenjaku is, I can imagine him passing on the damage to Geto's soul rather than his own
@@doopdope2211 i love you thinking as cosmos ability as an instant killing move, she could problably beat mahito with it
@@ambufan3242 Domain Expansion: Everlasting Halloween (shibuya fr)
In Mahito's case, I wonder if he could spread the attack to his clone. If in Santa's case, every single doll got hit with Halloween bc the main one did so Mahito might not have a chance
Denji might actually be the counter to awasaka’s technique
His chainsaws would be many small damages
each individual slash would probably go below the bottom limit for inverse, not that it really matters because inverse dude is getting washed
I disagree, because I assume that the normal reaction between chainsaw and flesh is to instantly tare it, even if it's a single tooth, that will still tare whatever flesh it hits
Another feat for true form pochita (while it may not change anything i do find it cool) is that when he goes up against the weapon hyprids, we see katana man try and do his dash attack as a sneak attack, which is fast enough that you cannot see him at all when he moves. After he does this, you see him fall to pieces in front of pochita, who you couldnt see move a centimeter, meaning Pochita can move faster than someone who can move faster than the eye can track
Quanxi made a blitz on 40+ Dolls & Humans in international assassin arc, and it was calculate at *Mach 200* | Likely Higher from ManifestedFavor.
Pochita blitz her in Hybrid form, so he's speed is above Mach 200.
Pochita also blitz Makima multiple times, that same Makima, who was able to react before a *Mach 1458* Gun Devil bullet hit her.
And she should be faster than Gun Devil, who blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second.
(Sub Relativistic/+ speed)
Quanxi made a blitz on 40+ Dolls & Humans in international assassin arc, and it was calculate at *Mach 200* | Likely Higher from ManifestedFavor.
Pochita blitz her in Hybrid form, so he's speed is above Mach 200.
Pochita also blitz Makima multiple times, that same Makima, who was able to react before a *Mach 1458* Gun Devil bullet hit her.
And she should be faster than Gun Devil, who blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second.
(Sub Relativistic/+ speed)
Faster than a normal human eye at least, like Aki(not super human)
@@khulmach9662I’m assuming the future devil showed him it before it happened and he reacted and got lucky
@@Sayri-cy6mx That is basically what happened.
No different than Megumi guessing Toji's movements.
Aki just moved before sword devil does and block his attacks.
Now lest send the shibuya cast into international assasin arc
They aren't surviving bro. Imagine these guys with darkness devil, doll devil, santa clause. They're dead
idk even know if they can survive darkness nahhh
😂
@@thegreat6456
Even "if" they survive there's ain't no way they'd survive the gun devil attack.
only gojo nd sukuna would have a chance, mostly gojo cuz gojo has infinity
If we’re assuming verse equalization, wouldn’t the blood poison be cancelled out by Denji being a Devil hybrid? He has shown to be able to eat Devil blood as easily as human blood.
We ought to examine the flip-side of the Blood Manipulation Technique, as using the Cursed Technique as a sorcerer also poisons Cursed Spirits. But how about a creature that eats blood that’s both human and Curse equivalent?
His blood isn't poisonous because hes a curse, it's just actually poisonous
@@matheusrudzevicius6448his blood is poisonous to humans just like how humans blood when using blood manip is poisonous to curses
Kenjaku just walks up to makima and absorbs her with CSM
@@yaboiplank6764shit that is actually a good point. Makima is just straight up a devil, like not even a fiend, theoretically Kenny could just absorb her once he weakens her.
Though the problem with that is that you can’t really keep her down unless you somehow nullify her regeneration. This wouldn’t technically violate her contract since the harm done to her is reflected to another yet the effect remains so O’d be the closest one can get to crippling her. The only other way I can see him capturing is having Urumei freezing her with a maximum or maximum output technique, persevering her body and allowing Kenny to absorb her.
the poison is a unque property of his, only his family members are immune from it. this is like a binding vow.
I would've thought that soul damage from mahito would be a good counter to makima tbf, if only they brought him here
Imagine he goes to touch her soul and he is met with the souls of millions of people that he has to get through to touch her soul
@@somerandomperson5473 His sure hit would end all of Japan.
@@somerandomperson5473 Tbf, the damage that affects her BODY gets transferred to the citizens of Japan, the heart is very different from the soul which I imagine would be a nice and easy clean one shot, not to mention that even if it didn't all of Japan dies and the curses win! Mahito is the MVP either way
@@nathanielwilson9313 Makima doesn't even have a soul. She is the control devil, her being is created of the fear of control, without that fear she will cease to exist. She has no soul
@@GunshyFeverthe soul = the body = the soul. As long as you have a body you have a soul and if you have a soul you have a body.
Nanami and Kishibe share a voice actor so its even more perfect.
Was looking fog this comment
I think Makima can be controlled very easily by domain expansions. Similar to how Denji kept cutting her with blood, Jogo's domain expansion would keep burning her as she heals back, giving it enough time to capture her with the cursed tool.
Never really thought about that ngl, but yea that’s possible
yeah none of the Curses are citizens so they can just immolate her with Jogo while tossing Prison Realm near her continually regenerating body
Yeah sealing her with the prison box is probably the best way of dealing with her unless she uses a devil or someone else she controls to break out
But the chainsaw blood was a very temporary solution. You need to love her in order to kill her.
Yeaa in terms of her durability and anatomy she is clearly human, being harmed by guns as any person wood, gojo could just keep burning her to a crisp over and over again not letting her even a chance to recover
Its so funny how the only way that they can handle makima is to literally create a plot device lmao
There are other ways to
@@knightfallinthere's none
@@knightfallinthere literally isn't
@@inumakisenpaiidle transfiguration soul minupulation completely counters makimas abilty to transfer damage to any Japanese citizen aka directly attacking her soul 😭😭
@@savaory4217except it doesnt
Mahito is just way too busted in cross versus battles, because without soul defense or soul damaging attacks, what can you do?
Actually deni and power would probably be immune because there things like doll devil that if they touch you they turn you into dolls more devils like this but when they touched deni and power nothing happened they didn't transform for some reason
Through but devils can regenerate their flesh like rct even if mahito can turn Denji into a small crystal, it is shown powerful devils and transmutate matter as the falllimg devil converted a pile of corpses to form her body and can even regenerate while having her entire body consumed by denji. and mahito cannot do soul damage on makima because of her contract but he could bypass it by using soul transfiguration to turn her into an animal as it does not harm her but mahito still cannot kill her because of contracts as well and makima force manipulation is way too much for mahito as she could hurt the darkness devil that comparable to the falling devil that reverse gravity all over the world
denji can simply tank transmutation/transfiguration and denji [and the weapon hybrids] have survived conceptual manipulation and conceptual erasure which works on a far more fundamental level than soul manipulation . so you can argue that denji would just tank soul manipulation
@@SkeetWeet4368 yup and zombie devil and war devil didn't work on denji
@@SkeetWeet4368 What concept erasure has Denji ever took?
While i do agree with most of your points most of the chainsaw man verse isnt really known for their durability, their more like glass canons than anything else
Yeah, the most durable character is Pochita and he is the fastest as well.
Yeah I was thinking that too. A lot of these guys like Kishibe, Yoshida, Aki and Kobeni wouldn’t handle getting punch by something spas strong as a Grade 1 sorcerer very well.
@@khulmach9662 that’s true I mean most if not like 99 % of the verse is vulnerable to bullet fire
@@royalguardian5426well, the same goes for JJK. Even Kenny agreed that bullets are effective against sorcerers
him if we only count the humans sure, makima and a lot of devils, plus the hybrids can tank bullets pretty easily though.
Would have been nice if u touched on how the fight would have gone if makima was fighting the disaster curses plus kenjaku, since we know he was around the corner and probably won’t just waste the disaster curses if he thought he needed them more help sealing makima
Kenjaku would use Curse Manipulation to overwhelm Makima as well as the Transfigured humans, with Mahito touching her three times and constantly manipulating her for the prison realm to take effect.
Denji is technically dead, Pochita just allows his brain functions to go on. Chainsaw Man does reform when the heart is removed so I think that means Pochita is the soul of Chainsaw man
Except Pochita wouldn’t even make sense to have a soul nor act as one
Souls haven’t been confirmed to exist in CSM, but devils are stated to reincarnate so it’s possible they not only exist but every devil has one. We really just need to see if there’s a soul devil. It also does make sense if you know what happens later in the manga. When pochita takes over his sole focus is trying to do things to restore his contract with Denji to bring him back, until Makima gets him to sacrifice himself to protect Kobeni.
This was such a fun video to watch! Glad I made that suggestion and people had the same sentiment! Great video No Operator!!
Ok but how would the Jujutsu Kaisen cast handle the international assassins arc?
haven't gotten there yet, but how are they beating gojo?
@user-kw8bc9cs1l 1. de? 2. RCT
@@funnybones98darkness devil created manga panels using the dismembered limbs of the chainsaw man cast.
Cosmos devil has unlimited void times 1000 on steroids.
The whole cast except Gojo would prolly be wiped out by santa clause. Darkness might be able to kill Gojo
@@funnybones98darkness
I think if mahorahaga survives long enough he'll adapt to the slashing like he did with cleave and dismantle
there is nothing mahoraga cannot adapt to. Bro started attack space itself.
Yeah, only chance of pochita getting the w is blitzing, unlike sukuna he has no reason to test mahoraga either
@@Keyonu yeah, rip gojo.
@@user-cn7oj3ws8q Pochita can literally just eat and erase the entire concept of Mahoraga, making everyone forget who he is and it being like he never existed.
Denji/Pochita can tank some pretty hax powers though so unsure if Mahito could mess with them or not. Zombie devil couldnt turn him into a zombie and war devil couldnt turn him into a weapon for example, although the latter might be because conditions weren't met.
Those are true but I don’t think those have to do with changing the form of the soul itself
thats not soul based mahito awakend understood the true essence of the soul
Nah bro. It'd be hilarious if Mahito tried to touch Denji's soul, but he just sees a little chainsaw dog sitting on a throne cussing him out like an angry chihuahua
"You dare touch my soul? 🐶"
War devil requires for the target to have feelings for her for her to turn the target into her target.
@@KronidisIf we by JJK logic, the heart being connected to the soul or whatever, he has to defeat Pochita as well, due to him and Denji being fused. Pochita was so powerful he( if I remember correctly), cut a whole between Hell and Earth with his sheer power alone with a single cut.
dude unironically wrote out 4 characters just because he couldn't be bothered writing a proper fight for kenjaku 😭
The chainsaw devil has (kinda) shown that he has defeated death and only then when he was k¡lled by all of the primordial devils which is already a huge feat and if we’re talking about when power gave him her blood he’d be able to regulate poison and if he even used powers blood during the games if anyone got hit and IF they weren’t on makima or gojos level they wouldn’t be able to regenerate even with reverse curse and inverse techniques to stop it.
With the new chapters no, Death Devil>CSM
Soon to be Chainsaw Devil>>>Death Devil (through the plan of Fami)
Pochita didn’t die during that fight. He escaped to Earth.
It’s implied that Pochita dying will result in all the devils he ate returning.
That wasn't stated, though???
He didn't defeat Death, if he did he'd ate her and she'd cease to exist. She still is pretty much existing in main plot. Neither was stated he was killed by Primals, it was said he fought Horseman, got weaker and escape to Earth where he found Denji.
Denji be “damn that’s crazy” and just eats them all (chainsaw man true form not denji but yeah)
sukuna calls him painfully ordinary and brings out his fire
@@easy8figure pochita's true form prob wont be damaged by a nuke
@easy8figure chainsaw man defeated the nuclear weapons devil how is fire hurting black chainsaw man
@@easy8figureI doubt one of Sukuna's Arrows are hotter than entering the atmosphere at about 6 km per second.
@@leixalkvinay2729 sukunas arrows easily burned where jogo whose fire technique is balled at 2000 degrees Celsius.. so jogo is not affected by any fire below 2000 so sukunas fire arrow 1 shot incineration should mean it's atleast 2x
Mahito is weaker then Denji but does seem to just be heavily out haxxed him, and seen denji doesn’t have any way to even damage mahito he’ll have a lot of problems
Denji/Pochita can tank some pretty hax powers though so unsure if Mahito could mess with them or not. Zombie devil couldnt turn him into a zombie and war devil couldnt turn him into a weapon for example, although the latter might be because conditions weren't met.
@@pspsmallzdoes the zombie devil just affect the body or the soul cause usually turning into a zombie only affects the body
Also Doll Devil coudlnt turn Denji and Power into dolls, it might be that hybrids are just immune to any sort of attack like that
denji should at least be massively hyper sonic, and if we're talking about pochita's true form...
@@pspsmallz War Devil needs to own something to turn it into a weapon.
bro the absolute DISRESPECT dealt by toji is so RAW and audible in no operators voice. Fucking legendary. Bro I thought he was glazing the chainsaw gang but FUCK THAT
Tbh, Pochita having such a huge claim to fame as the most feared devil of all and his reputation as the Hero of Hell probably means he‘s fought and easily defeated devils that dealt with soul manipulation in the past. I’d argue his mere presence as Denji’s heart provides a defense against Idle Transfiguration.
Even if you don’t buy that line of reasoning, Denji is explicitly immune to Doll’s transfiguration by virtue of being a hybrid, so I think that would provide a defense as well.
Thats no soul manipulatiom
Mahito’s transfiguration is due to a specific detail about how souls work in JJK. Change the soul change the body. That isn’t how souls work in CSM. Even if Denji does Resist Doll Devil’s transmutation, Mahito’s works in a completely different way
Tbh verse equalisation is kinda needed for these kinds of comparisons, the idea that Mahito no diffs Denji because of one difference in how the verses interpret soul/body manipulation is, frankly, lame. Not to mention Chainsaw man rarely feels the need to explain much, like if Denji is immune to being transformed into a weapon or doll, can his soul be transformed? There's practically zero solid arguments for either side
@@hmx8694 that doesnt mean he has resistance to mahito getting his soul transfigurate
@@luisbalbuena5034 It also doesn't mean he doesn't have resistance though, these arguments can go either way, that's the problem
This video concept is so fire past the surface 🔥🔥🔥
15:47 Yoshida is so underrated
He did more damage to Quanxi than she did to him.
He killed one of the USA hunters
Kishibe himself said that Yoshida is stronger than him, Kishibe is considered by many to be the strongest devil hunter.
He threatened Fami that he would kill her if she didn't reveal the information, and she did. Fami is more powerful than Makima and Yoru
He was able to detect the birds, rats and any form of life around. I put this because I probably have other skills.
"fami is more powerful than makima and yoru" what the fuck? how lmao
@@theoriginalman9426 1. Death Devil
2. War Devil
3. Famine Devil
4. Control Devil
But Yoru was eaten by Chainsaw Devil and now she is weak. What you did not understand?
Death Devil>>>Kiga>Makima>>>>>>Yoru
@@Miss_Heed_Lover That doesn't explain how famine is stronger than Makima lol
@@theoriginalman9426 The power of the horsemen is defined by the horsemen of the bible. The first to arrive are the weakest, the last are the most powerful.
He almost died to Quanxi throwing him out the window
Ngl quanti the first devil hunter if serious should be able to speed blitz almost everyone unless stopped
Great video as always! You got skills in fanfiction.
I would love to see a video about how to fix the culling game, removing all the flaws.
A video on what grade Division 4 would be on the JJK sorcerer scale would be dope AF 👌🏽
And then the devils on CSM compared to cursed spirits.
Assuming you haven't done those already
anything from 20% gun devil and above would be special grade
pochita scaling above sukuna and cosmo having a similar ability to gojo
This is 100% a NoOp Classic already
Ive only been asking for this type of video forever
Really cool and interesting concept for a video. You should do more stuff similar to this, such as Chainsaw Man vs The Culling Games
Bro. this is a great video. Such a cool switcharoo setup. well written.. Also I love that Nanami and Kishibe share the same Sub VA. Those two are very sturdy
to talk about mahito vs denji personal opinion i think denji would be immune though it's how you see it there is 2 ways you can look at this one being that if we count devils and curse spirits the same thing denji could gain partial immunity or if you consider what was stated in international assassination arc where devils aren't affected by puppets devil's ability and i guess you can say they're the same and that's how i considered it however one way or the other it's possible that denji would be immune
There is something
Spoiler for part 2
Yoru try to make denji into a weapon but she couldn’t
Could that work as idle transfiguration?
Both are wrong, the doll devil can only turn humans into dolls, Denji is a hybrid, which is why he was immune, War devil on the other hand never said anything about attacking the soul to transform things into weapons, so in the end, Denji is still vulnerable to Mahito's idle transfiguration
@@theoriginalman9426Hybrids are pretty much immune to being affected by transmutation and anything similar in CSM, so would verse equalization make it so that he is immune or what?
@@randomyoutuber2633 No it wouldn't because Mahito's transmutation works by touching the soul, its completely different to any regular transmutation
@@pablothecoffeelover2551 War needs to own something to control it. Mahito can control whoever isnt aware of the shape of his soul. Also black flash would demolish Denji.
Wait, but if Mahito kills power and tries to show to Denji how he attempted to do with Nobara, then Pochita would step in again would he not?
Denji collapsed because the person he fell for killed what was basically his sister and brother.
@@khulmach9662 What's your point? In this scenario, Aki and Power are both gonna be murdered. Mahito is even gonna make a show of it because of his sadistic nature.
@@DrewsGames809 There deaths would make Denji greatly sad but not collapse the same way.
The reason Pochita came out was because Denji's depress was all directed to Makima, who he trusted and loved.
The delivery was fair worse as a result.
dear no operator, can we have more what if content like this? love the videos.
For pretty much a rando Awasaka really is pretty impressive. Both Yuji and Megumi at the time were pretty solidly Grade 1 and he gave them fighting together a decent challenge.
He got low diffed his attacks dis zero damage to them stop meat riding randoms
People keep commenting that Denji has no way of dealing with Mahito permanently. I 100% believe that if Mahito tries to touch Denji's soul, the REAL chainsaw man would interfere, plus he can keep on cutting Mahito and eat him, the same way he dealt with Makima. The chainsaw devil, (the real one) is so powerful, he's feared even by devils themselves, and once he kills you, you're permanently dead.
I don't like the idea of pochita fighting mahito. If pochita wins and erase him, all of humanity's evil would disappear, completing makima's plan.
@@melbiamil5144but isn't it a good thing?
@@ialoneamtheone spoiler for the end of part 1 in chainsaw man
kind of. Miss makima wants to help humanity, but she will create the worst type of peace if she succeededs.
She intents to erase anything she doesn't like that affects humanity, from bad movies to death itself.
She shouldn't win, or else humanity and devils will be at her mercy.
Sukuna (Good)
@@sure-peaks3442 pochita is literally sukuna if sukuna was yuji's friend
They had their own shibuya incident "Santa claus."
JJK isn't surviving that, maybe gojo
I forgot the premiss of the video and got confused for a sec with you started saying “bring us Makima” 😂😂
Couldn't Power drink people's blood and get a huge buff? Also wouldn't Denji be able to blitz Mahito?
He can but it wouldn't hurt mahito bcz you have to hurt his soul denji has no soul hax
Mahito needs to touch him 3 times and its over. God forbid he hits Black Flash or gets his Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing
Mahito isn't getting blitzed by any Chainsaw Man character
@@Rob_Lucci_😂😂😂nice joke
@@inumakisenpai except for like, Denji, and maybe Aki, Makima, and the Gun Devil.
I assume that verse powers are equalized in that both are capable of seeing and interacting with eachother.
But the chainsaw man crew, except makima don’t really have a defense for hanami’s pacifying flowers and then Dagon drowning them or send schools of shikigami to eat them alive.
Course there’s also jogo that can incinerate them since his flames can be lowballed at 2000 degrees Celsius due to their violet coloration
Not just Makima but Denji and any of the other hybrids can tank anything the disaster curses dish out too, Awakened Mahito possibly being only the real threat if verses are equalized heavily. Denji, Quanxi and Reze could easily keep up with their speed too.
To be fair if they all get sent to hell only makima can get out, all the other curses will die, that's why she can pretty much solo anyone in jjk, she's way faster and her hax are leagues above, she can kill someone just by knowing their name, or send them to hell, and they wouldn't even know how many times they have to kill her, 120 million lives is a lot, they would have to kill her non stop for years and that's assuming that she'd let them do that and even so they wouldn't kill her that many times because they would just assume that she doesn't have a limit of lives, and even after killing her 120 million times she's still a concept thus without some high level of concept attacks or concept erasure they can't fully kill her because she will just appear somewhere else after getting out of hell
@@rias.gremoryyy she cant solo anyone in Jjk bud. Stop wanking her.
@@rias.gremoryyy just saying, being a curse in hell doesn't sound too bad
@@EvillAnimeSukuna becoming a devil would be a disaster.
Aki using curse devil on fodder be mirroring Megumi using mahoraga on fodder
This your best video I've seen so far 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Tho it makes me wonder if devils truly have a soul or not for mahito to manipulate.
Also you could maybe have power sprout out of denji's pochita form and 2 v 1 mahito?
Also Todo wasn't replaced....maybe put beam in his place that'd be funny imo
CSM Devils doesn't have soul.
They are the embodiment of a CONCEPT.
Do you understand the meaning of Concept?
CONCEPT≠SOUL
The only ppl that should have soul in CSM, are regular humans.
Hybrids and Fiends in CSM are immune to Soul based attacks.
We literally saw this with Santa Claus.
She have similar abilities like Mahito, but her ability couldn't work on Quanxi and Denji (Hybrids)
Santa Claus had to kill Quanxi *fiends* girlfriend to turn them into dolls.
The doll devil's power to turn people into dolls and control them didnt work on denji so did war devil trying to turn denji into a weapon. So its safe to say that denji is at least pretty resistant to transfiguration. And all Pochita would need to do is eat and devour mahito erasing him on a conceptual level. Hell if Quanxi was here with her devil fiend team this whole thing would pretty much be a complete wash, No need for Pochita to come out when Quanxi can speed blitz literally everyone here and the cosmo fiend using her Halloween ability would make anyone including mahito brain dead, it's pretty much a more broken version of gojo's DE. So yeah CSM in the IA arc completely sweeps the Shibuya arc.
War Devil needs to own something to control it, Denji wasn't owned by her in anyway.
Also, you're forgetting Mahito is completely capable of manipulating his soul, and shortly after beating the shit out of Denji would realize the shape of his soul, from there he would be capable of destroying Denji, as he would have access to things Denji couldn't have any counter to, like Black Flash.
Also, Toji would wash all of Quan Xi's team no matter what, hes capable of speed blitzing modt people, and he had one of his signature objects.
In conclusion:
Choso would probably beat the shit out of Denji, his blood would completely counter Denji and from a narrative standpoint Denji isnt smart enough to counter Choso like Yuji did.
Mahito would likely encounter Denji rather than Quan Xi. Seeing as Quan Xi wasn't near Mahito at the time, Denji wouldn't have any resistance to Idle Transfiguration, and likely wouldn't be aware of the shape of his soul. Same with Power, his trick he used on Nobara would work on her tenfold cause she's stupid.
Toji would wash Kishibe, Yoshida, Kobeni and Aki. And thats if Dsgon didn't kill them first cause the reason Megumi nullified the sure hit was because he Domain Clashed.
Not to mention the absolute stalling the Disaster Curses could use on Makima. They would be able to constantly stall her with domains, or at the very least Uzumaki. She will get trapped in the prison realm, and with Denji and Power dead, as well as Aki, Yoshida, Kishibe, and Kobeni, all the disaster Curses would need is to kill Quanxi, and seeing as they could gang up on her, they'd win.
(Also, Choso spared Yuji cause he had a non existent memory showing him that Yuji was his brother, so Denji would probably meet his end at the Choso fight. And theres an unlikely chance Pochita comes because even when ripped in half, Pochita didn't come out.
@@knightfallin The war devil managed to turn asa's teacher into a weapon based on the simple fact of him liking her. asa managed to turn an entire aquarium into a weapon just by gathering a bunch of money even though it was nowhere near enough to buy an aquarium, and wouldn't actually give her rightful ownership of the aquarium, (even the eternity devil calls her out on it). Given all this it stands to no reason why the war devil wouldn't be able to turn Denji into a weapon as she was pretty confident that she can and he was at least interested to go on another date unless he was immune to transfiguration.
Most of mahitos soul abilities has something to do with transfiguration which is proven that Denji is immune to. The worse case scenario is Pochita coming out and speed blitzes and devours mahito entirely. I Highly doubt that Pochita would let denji die in any way that is an actual threat. Keep in mind Denji is immortal, so that's almost impossible and he is able to get himself out of many circumstances on his own. If denji is in any position where he absolutely does need Pochita then I'm sure he would come out. (Especially since Pochitais supposed to be in place of sukuna in this scenario)
Can speed blitz most people in his own verse perhaps, he is at most subsonic. Do you have any idea how fast Quanxi is? She is in just her base form massively hypersonic. I honestly don't know what you mean about Quanxi being nowhere near mahito as she wasn't even in the scenario despite being apart of the IA arc, if she was then the whole thing would end in a matter of minutes.
When it comes to regular iq and intellect then denji does come up short. But Denji's battle iq and creativity is actually insanely high he's been battling devils since he was a kid, and again has gotten out of the most dangerous situations like continously drinking blood and slashing at the eternity devil until it wants to kill itself, or lighting himself on fire to counter santa clauses darkness abilities, or resisting mental attacks by shredding his own brain. He managed to defeat and get the one up on makima which saids alot. Denji would most likely will find some sort of loop hole with choso blood abilities. Like continously drinking his blood so his regeneration would outway the poison or perhaps something else.
So in conclusion:
Quanxi speed blitzes, cosmo fiend makes mahito brain dead, denji being able to find a loop hole with choso, denji being immune to mahito's transfiguration, and the worst case scenario out of all of this is Pochita coming out and soloing everybody.
@@knightfallin It's a matter of perception. AsaYoru doesn't actually need to own something. Merely believe they own something like when Asa transformed the aquarium. CSM Chapter 149 confirms that Denji does in fact still like Asa and wants to be her boyfriend. So by the rules that allowed Yoru to turn Asa's teacher into a sword, it logically should have worked on Denji with the only explanation for why it didn't work being that he's a hybrid.
He never misses with his vids
Choso standing in fear as denji slurps up his beam like spaghetti
Love these cross verse battles, and love your content!~
Just in time for the gym
Ok this was fun asf
Special division 7 is full of absolute meatballs, like Yuji would top tier in terms of brain power 😂 But I love them all so much anyways
If Denji can resist the doll devil's ability to change others into dolls by touch then maybe he can resist Mahito's idle transfiguration.
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Pochita perception blitzed somebody that has precognition. Toji stands no chance
Oh I clicked the video thinking who gave you more emotional dread and damage
This is an amazing topic.
Awesome vid and that dgd shirt heat
quanxi vs toji would be something amazing to watch
The only way for Toji to win against Pochita would be to have the inverted spear of heaven and the soul splitting katana
And we all know where that went
I read the title and first thought was "like just another day"
But the issue is that you're working under the assumption that the CSM team would respond in the same way as the JJK team.
Also, I imagine Pochita could take over once again for the Mahito fight, reforming the body in his true form, and the true Chainsaw devil absolutely deals soul damage since he is capable of ending devils permanently. I legitimately think that there isn't a single character in JJK other than Gojo who could take on the true Chainsaw devil which has been awakened as you already established
Love this concept and would love to see more. Like how would the Demon slayers or a Squad of soul reapers do
Denji has already proven to be immune to things that are effectively Idle Hands like the Doll Devil's Transfiguration and Yoru's weapon creation. I don't know why this is even a question, it's not impacting him. It's also kind of not remotely clear if humans in CSM even have souls to manipulate in the first place or whether it's like real life where you're just a living biological being and there's no immortal immaterial spirit living within you.
Yoru's weapon abilities only work on sentient beings if they confess their love themselves to Yoru/Asa. Yoru couldn't turn Denji into a weapon, because even though Denji liked Asa, he hadn't confessed his slight feelings himself to Asa. The other way Yoru/Asa can turn sentients into weapons is if it's a severed piece of the sentient's body.
@@Fureccha There's absolutely nothing in CSM that says Yoru's ability only works if someone confesses to Asa or Yoru. The pedo teacher Yoru turns into a sword in the first Part 2 chapter never confessed. On the contrary, it's very much stated that it's more a matter of perception. Whether Asa or Yoru believes they own their target, hence how Asa was able to turn the Aquarium into a spear.
The exact reasoning for why Yoru failed to turn Denji into a weapon is multifaceted and has a multitude of reasons it could be. But the fact that Denji has been shown to be immune to other transmogrification already effects thanks to Pochita is the number one most likely reason.
If we are gonna Verse Equalize it then Devils should be immune to soul Manipulation.
If Mahito have the capability to change Devils souls then you are Making him too OP.
Devils, their power and form goes hand and hand with the concept they are trying to portray, if Mahito have the capability to transform/mold/manipulate those devils souls in which in the JJK lore "shape of someone's body always reflects the shape of their soul" then you are pretty much giving him the ability to mold the concept of a word himself.
I give you as an example: If he go to Katana man, manipulate his soul in a shape of a chainsaw, then you pretty much created a new chainsaw man or... you turn every Katana in the world in a shape of a chainsaw.
You are making him a god at this point.
Concept and its Devils go hand in hand.
If the Devils disapear entirely then the Concept itself disapear too.
If nuke devil disapear (eaten by CSM) All nukes Disapear in the world.
So if you manipulate the Devils "soul" then you pretty much manipulate the concept itself.
Also as other people explain Mahito soul manipulation abilities
"those with awareness of their own souls are able to retain their soul's shape even when fully grasped by Mahito." -thats why he can manipulate humans easily since they are pretty much unaware by it.
Making Mahito able to manipulate devils souls.
You are basically making Devils have soul on their own (jjk verse definition of souls) and you are simultaneously making the Devils unaware of it so that Mahito can use his abilities on them.
This is a great video are you still going to make the yuno vs zenon fight with the manga on break Black clover fans are starving for content and the final fight of the light traid would be a banger
Genius video idea: Can Goku beat a crippled 4 year old in a fight?
jjk cast vs the international assassins arc now?
Jjk cast would lose especially against the darkness devil i don't know if gojo activates his domain he can probably atleast have a chance idk
The odds are definitely stacked against Public Safety with Mahito HAX.
Especially since there’s no real method for PS to put Mahito down. The only way I can see PS not losing… is under my head-canon, that if Pochita eats Mahito, but not necessarily killing him. But under CSM logic that with existence being lost to the public he’d be at least weakened. And maybe his Idle Transfiguration would be weakened that it wouldn’t instantly kill Denji, then he could potentially stalemate him.
This is JJK too though, so I doubt Mahito’s CE would even fluctuate just because the reason for his existence is gone. So PS is probably still going to take this L.
Yuji : " who the heck are these freaks "
Denji : " hey who are you calling a freak ! "
I would like to see a crossover video of jjk vs hell's paradise or hell's paradise vs chainsaw man next that would be epic
if chainsaw man plot can’t work around mahito’s ability then jjk’s plot can’t work around makimas
What kind of logic is that?
@@pzychosaiyan_productions the logical kind
@@noahidea1353 That makes no sense. Your logic I mean. But please explain why you believe this…abysmal…atrocious…incorrect…illogical…opinion.
@@pzychosaiyan_productions based off the logic of the video in order to make it work, mahito’s ability has to work on csm characters despite an entirely different biological structure of characters and abilities. Despite that, he worked around makinas abilities which could have done the same to jjk characters which seems a bit unfair
@@noahidea1353 did you know Gojo could beat makimas
Common no op W
Wonder how pochita's "deletion" effect would effect Mahitos body. Would that technically chip off his soul with every hit?
imma watch this way later til ive watched enough jjk and csm to avoid spoilers
Ahhh nothing like a cross over event to start the morning..now u gotta put the JJK cast in the International Assassin Arc. 😮💨
As soon they encounter the darkness devil there done for
@@goosmaw8561the dolls would get rid of most of them
ong they'd def be able to clear the arc if not for the darkness devil
@@neil5694not if Megumi summons Maharoga
@@KnaveADVmahorage is getting one tapped
How would the JJK cast do in the International Assassination arc?
This is legit man of ideas
Its all joever when goatjo appears
Would be cool if you done jjk vs international assassins arc
Please
Just spitballing here, but the way that Jogo’s domain’s passive ability works, in that it just incinerates his opponent, would probably burn through Makima’s lives like nobody’s business. Every single burn that Makima takes will be transferred to a citizen, every single one. And because once his domain starts to burn her up, it won’t stop, it will quite literally burn through Makimas lives. And considering Jogos domain is a sure hit, and the burning is a passive ability, it’s probable to assume that he can keep Makima inside his domain and his burning will eventually run through all of her lives, very quickly.
and he ends up killing every single human in japan to so it a win win lol
Not to mention his meteor attack that he use against sukuna
The downplay is insane if you think makima would just stay there and be burned or yet jogo burning through 126.1 million lives that fast. Makima is teleporting out of their using princi or her own brain matter.
@@GunshyFever How is she teleporting out when she gets turned to ash in seconds? Every time she heals she gets turned to ash. There won't be a single second in which she has a body inside of Jogo’s domain. Not even Gojo can teleport once he is inside a domain so what makes you think Makima can?
I think Jogo could beat pochita since if pochita is caught in Jogos meteor attack I don’t think he has a way of escaping it
W video idea Both of my favorite Animes
I'm assuming the actual goal of the disaster curses is to imprison makima in the prison realm.
We saw doll devil and other weird one shot abilities not work on denji including denji recovering from control devil.
Wrong, Denji needs to be aware of the shape of his soul to survive Mahito, and seeing as Denji can't even read, he probably couldn't.
Also Makima never controlled Denji.
@@knightfallin A she did reason why Chainsaw/puchita took over it took power to break him free. Same way Aki almost freed Angel Demon.
Secondly Abilites like Doll devil are clearly similar to Mahito+ Unless u saying Mahito can alter Pochita soul inside Denji who has survived 1000+ years in hell with demons like Darkness and Fall and Makima etc sure wont argue diffrent verse.
My only point is never was brought up.
@MrHarshverdhan Makima couldnt control Denji because he had Pochita inside him. She viewed Pochita as a god of some sorts. She broke Denjis contract, but if she was controlling him, she'd wouldn't need to do that.
Also, Mahitos idle Transfiguration is about the Soul. Not the body.
Read JJK for christs sake
@@knightfallin A I have read it, pls stop with fandom vs fandom crap most people do u can read two series without being aggressive about one. The Doll demon also changes your soul into a doll as explained by Santa Clause when he betrayed his own student and used him to make the contract with darkness devil and reason why Halloween affected him.
Also broke denji broke his contract and did get control over him. It has been shown Fami tried do same by starving him in aquarium in part two.
@@MrHarshverdhan if you cant understand makima wasn't controlling denji you're not worth debating with
Nah you did power super dirty
if you make the link of denji being taken over by pochita's devil form then you gotta have pochita protecting denji and letting denji hit their soul, because otherwise it wouldnt work since they'd need to break the vow of denji never being able to live a normal life. the only way to do this is to bind him to never being able to
Bro I just yelled in public let’s go! When I saw this on my feed.
Where is angel beam spider cosmo etc??? Oh wait now I remember if cosmo was their the fight would be too one sided
comos is satoru gojo on crack, no casting time, no limits, just haloween
@@elgoblinax8796 and shes just a fiend, not even the actual devil 💀
The only thing I disagree with is that in these situations, it's fair to say that compromises can be made between character verses. Like Hanamis buds feeding on the use of devil powers instead of just CE, or hybrids being immune to certain manipulation by cursed spirits like how they're immune to certain devils manipulations. So I think one could fairly argue that Mahito can't use IT against fiends or hybrids since they're both immune to things like the Doll devils transfiguration. Now would Denji and Power win against Mahito? Absolutely not, he has too many tricks and neither of them have an ability that could actually harm Mahito. Potentially the blood he and the transfigured humans could provide a decent supply of fuel for the two of them, but reasonably Mahito would notice this and maybe stop using transfigured humans and stop creating blood (unless cursed spirits needs blood, even him? idk)
mahito's ability is not unlimited . he can and he will get tired , mahito got tired out after fighting for hours while denji [albeit with some support] could fight for 3 continuous days in a battle far far more brutal than anything that has happening in shibuya
@@SkeetWeet4368 That's absolutely true, though with Denji he had plenty of blood to keep him going. There arent many fights Denji was able to win one on one without help, unless we replace Todo with like.... idk, the Violence fiend.
But still, im not totally sure if Denji is durable enough to kill Mahito until hes outnof energy to fix himself without a constant source of blood
@@SkeetWeet4368 Mahito literally has the most stamina and durability (Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing) out of all of the Disaster curses.
Denji was literally eating the blood of a devil that was constantly around him, so he can immediately restore his stamina. Without Blood, Denji has only shown to be able to fight for a few minutes.
Dude has a normal amount of stamina without taking extra blood.
@@charnalk5572 You make a very fair argument. Though I think at this point, Pochita is done isolating his memories and is just enjoying life with Denji. I think if Mahito tried messing with his soul, Pochita could react since he seems to have a similar space in Denjis mind as Sukunas Innate Domain
@@charnalk5572 Idle Transfiguration requires barely any curse energy to use since Mahito undoes any damage with it instead of healing normally.
That only means it very efficient and he would not run out of curse energy from it.
Mahito took Mutiple black flashes from Yuji, split his soul, and took a resonance rebound from Nobara before going down.
Funny thing is that even if we crafted a scenario where Makima gets trapped in the Prison Realm.
She can still escape dimensions by teleporting via the Spider Devil, like she did when she sent herself to Hell.
All your abilities are taken once your in the prison realm
@@Hunter-jt9ntit’s not her ability though
I'm sorry but your pronunciation of Quanxi is hilarious 😂 it's prounounced Quan-"Che"
Id argue fiends and hybrids arent affected by idle transfiguration since devils dont really have souls but are embodiments of fear
Honestly, I think Mahoraga is a solid defence against Pochita. All he has is chainsaws. Adapt to Chainsaws, and the Chainsaw Devil is screwed.
pochita would just blitz marhoraga like he did against the hell devil
@zaciles3894 he can’t the most sukuna did against him was surface level cuts
Mahoraga adapt to abilities, if he tanked it multiple times.
He doesn't adapt to brute strength.
So your statement of Mahoraga adapting to Pochita chainsaws is wrong.
Pochita blitz and kill that fodder with his brute strength or erase him from existence, using his Concept eraser ability.
@zaciles3894Sukuna slashes techniques ain't doing anything to Pochita. Lol
And Pochita survived 4 Bang attacks from Makima and it send Pochita into space.
And also know that Makima AP scales higher than Gun Devil, that same Gun Devil who destroy multiple land areas all over Earth in seconds (different countries)
Damage Darkness Devil, who's stated to transcends humanity and stronger than mere Gun Devil.
Scales to Falling Devil aka Primal Devil, who made many landslides/earthquakes all over Earth and shift Earth gravitational force with her mere appearance on Earth.
So, that Makima feat alone is better than any feats in JJK.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 Why are you assuming Makima's bang has impressive destructive power?
It has a lot of push force, but only fodders were killed by it.
Makima does not have higher Ap than Gun Devil, she killed it with Hax.
Hax are not equal, Falling devil making quakes across the planet does not mean Darkness and Makima scale to that.
the chainsaw man glazing is hard
In case you haven't yet, could you do the reverse and put the Jujutsu Kaisen characters in the International Assassins Arc?
It’s crazy to think that the chainsaw man universe, can easily take the jujutsu kaisen universe. But when put in the right circumstances the chainsaw man is no diff by the not even the main villains of jjk.
Chainsaw Man Verse low diffs Shibuya...
Man this is some Beautiful crossover fanfiction!
Funny that Kishibe and Nanami are voiced by the same person too