How Coraline goes from Prey to Predator
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- As you may know, there are a lot of different bugs that are symbolized within the film. This bug theory got me thinking. If Coraline is just another victim for the Other Mother, Aka Beldam, to prey on. Then how does Coraline break the cycle and survive when the other children didn’t? How does Coraline go from Prey to Predator? Today we explore the film to find out how she becomes a predator in the eyes of The Beldam.
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The dragonfly motifs associated with Coraline are interesting, given that dragonflies are predatory insects. In the bug world, I'd say that a dragonfly would be a much larger threat than a spider. Most spiders are passive trappers that lie in wait for their prey to wander into their domains. Dragonflies, however, are keen-eyed hunters that actively patrol their surroundings in search for potential victims. They are incredibly nimble fliers, which allows them to outmaneuver most other insects, even those that are actively fleeing from them. It's a very fitting symbol for a character so adventurous, headstrong, and confrontational.
I know from experience that a dragonfly can and will try to bite you if you manage to catch it. They are nonvenomous, but they bite hard enough to draw blood. They're little badasses and honestly deserve more recognition for the role they play in controlling pests like mosquitoes. 10/10 bug, highly recommend
Also, the insects in the shower are silverfish! They're harmless, but they multiply fast and can eat stuff like paper and fabric if they can get to it. Some people think they're gross but I think they're kinda neat. 6.5/10 bug, recommended only for people who really like bugs
I greatly appreciate the Entomology and character symbolism lesson! 9.5/10 comment, Keep it up!
@Mick Matt I learned so much from this comment! Thank you for sharing your insight on all things bugs! With this knowledge, both The Beldam and Coraline personalities are pretty similar to the insect they represent. As you said, The Beldam "wait for her prey to wander into her domain." Whereas Coraline "actively patrols her surroundings." Man, this movie is so clever!
Honestly didn't know that dragonflies were that dangerous. I guess you really do learn something new every day! Thanks for informing me about what a silverfish is as well! Have you ever considered making a channel about random bug facts? You are very informative about this subject and it seems like you really enjoy talking about it as well!
@Cherry 🍒 I know right! I learned so much!
my cat ate a dragonfly once, while it was still struggling :v
I think it would have been neat if Coraline had a wasp pin instead, because wasps actively kill black widows specifically.
what sets coraline apart from the other kids was that she was willing to throw hands at any given point. She is the embodyment of disrespect your surroundings. She passes judgment very quickly on things and decides "yup, I hate this" and then DOES SOMETHING about it (the bugs in the shower, the snap dragons in the garden, etc). As soon as she gets a wif of something suspicious, she tries to bail. The other kids grew up in eras where kids were seen not heard, were proabably very isolated due to the underdevelopment of the surrounding areas and weren't very socilized with the violent/aggressive concepts kids today have, which wouldnt have made any of them as outgoing or in-your-face as Coraline is. The Beldam wasnt ready to take on a post-internet kid.
That makes a lot of sense! I never thought about how different Coraline's childhood was compared to the other victims in terms of the time period. Thanks for pointing that out! I would agree that Coraline's mentality is a lot different than the others. It would be interesting to see The Beldam go up against children today. I wonder if she would even succeed in getting their attention?
Probably not cuz we might call her a boomer
PLEASE 'embodyment of disrespect your surroundings' HAD ME DEAD
XD I love how this is worded
Coraline be out there throwin hands
Where even is the lie
@@beanbrain6162 she would be in her mid 30's now and I like to think shes out there hunting down other bad creatures like the Beldam
Fun fact : The other father also hid an important message in his song at the start, saying that Coraline is their "doll" and their "eyes will be all on coraline" so I think they all were concious from the start.
Thank you for the fun fact! The only thing that makes me question the integrity of the song is that the piano is playing him. Just like The Beldam does. The Beldam loves playing games and putting on a show for Coraline. Creating three different performances for her to watch. The Other Father's Song, The Circus, and The Siren of the Sea. In both songs, the lyrics play an important part, stating what she's really up to. However, I can see this as a power move coming from the Other Mother. Because we all know how much she loves to flaunt how clever she is. In all honesty, I can see it both ways as a warning or as a power move. It's an interesting concept that I may make a video on at some point!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed I see, but my question is if she also created the characters that helped Coraline in her World and they apparently have free will, why can't other things too? She sure can and does control a lot of her creations by the end, but at the start she only says them how to act. Wybie for example doesn't smile all the time how she told him to, so instead of controlling wybie to make him "all happy" she had to pin a smile on him. By the very end he still helps Coraline, but the Other Father gets controlled, why though? So it could be that by the beginning the piano was also self conscious as well as the theater performance, but later were controlled by the Other Mother? In that case it appears as if she only controls what she can see, so if she could spy on Coraline with a doll, there could be something she placed around her World to spy on Coraline and control the beings around her...but why wouldn't she stop the performances then? Did she play another game with Coraline, where she would let the creations give her hints and if she wouldn't catch them, the bell dame would know for sure this kid isn't smart enough to leave her tempting world?
Those are all great questions! I don't know if I can answer all of them without more thorough research, but this is just me thinking out loud here. In the beginning, The Other Mother has all the control. Programming them to do and say what she wants. Having the Other Father sing a song for Coraline. Having Other Wybie take her to the Circus. In those two scenes, both are pretty complacent with The Beldam. Before Other Wybie and Coraline go to Mice Circus, she starts questioning the world around her. Other Wybie smiles and directs them to go to Mr. B's apartment. I see The Other Mother's creation more as Cyborgs than puppets. I don't think that the Beldam is sitting there pulling their strings. I do think she's programmed each one on a set track. It's kind of like how the cyborgs from Westworld operate. As Coraline keeps coming into this world, The Beldam becomes weaker. Not being able to outreach her influences to her creation. By the third visit, The Beldam is already significantly weaker than the previous ones. Thinking more about her needs than anything else. On this visit Other Wybie starts to frown more, The Other Father speaks his mind more. Not because she's programmed them to do so, but because they have deviated from the norm. Just like the cyborgs in Westworld. Gaining consciousness here and understanding that they must protect Coraline.
I do like your take on The Other Mother having spies keeping watch on her! If she already has a doll watching her in the real world. Why wouldn't she have spies looking after her when she's not on the scene? Anyways that's just me thinking out loud.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed very cool theory! Makes sense that she becomes weaker every visit, afterall she didn't eat in a very long time and also put a lot of Power into this world, which drained her power even more!
It's still a work in progress, but I'll keep researching...haha! I hope you have a lovely Halloween!
One thing about the Ghost Children compared to Coraline is that their situations probably weren’t as cut and dry as hers was. The Ghost Kids all lived during different eras, and could have faced a number of issues that would affect their decision to stay in the Other World.
Being completely real for a second, Coraline is a very fortunate kid, at least compared to some; she seems lower middle class, her parents are a bit negligent but ultimately do love her, and she has a stable home. The movie demonstrates Coraline’s family during a period of great financial stress and in the aftermath of an accident that injured her mother (which is why she wears the neck brace and is so grouchy, because medication is expensive). Coraline’s life is far from perfect, but the problems she faces aside from the Other World are mostly the temporary stress of having your life upended. After she and her family adjust, she’ll probably get used to her surroundings and get into the motions of things again.
The Ghost Kids could have been suffering an array of issues; war, poverty, food insecurity, racism, classism. Considering that Wybie’s grandmother is an elderly black woman, it’s likely that her and her sister faced racism from that era too. That might have been at least part of why her sister found the Other World so enticing; it was seemingly free of all of the strife and suffering from the real world.
Coraline fought back so strongly because, at the end of the day, she was really just bored and wanted an adventure, but was tipped off once the initial excitement wore down. For the Ghost Kids, the Beldam may have seemed like a saving grace. Coraline had a home and family to fight for, but the Ghost Kids might not have.
That makes the Beldam even more sinister. She wasn’t only targeting spoiled kids looking for some fun, but vulnerable children who wanted to escape, just like predators in real life.
And the other children seem significantly younger than Coraline I think, which might play a role too as children are easier manipulated
Not going to lie after reading this...I kind of want a prequel where we follow the kids that weren't so lucky!
100%, and as for The grandma’s sister, it could’ve been during the depression as well, and recovering from the Great Depression depending on when this movie was set
That on top of the horrid racism back then would be a shit ton of issues
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed that seems kinda overboard, unless u get to watch their story after the events of coraline
Also back then children were forced to mature much more quickly which entices them more to have the ability to act like a child unlike Coraline who just wants to have fun and relax like a child
I think you're misunderstanding the purpose of the Beldam's fingertapping; it's not out of impatience, but anticipation. The Beldam loves games, something that is emphasized in both the movie and book. While the two scenes of her tapping her fingers do mirror each other, what triggers it is specifically the prospect of playing a game being brought up. The Beldam offers to play a game with Coraline, and as soon as Coraline suggests hide and seek, the fingertapping stops and doesn't come back, even though Coraline continues to question and they never even get to the game. In the second scene, the fingertapping starts when the Beldam asks Coraline what game they will be playing, and stops as soon as Coraline says what they'll be playing; in this scene, if the fingertapping was one of impatience, you would expect the Beldam to do it when Coraline refuses to agree until she's given a clue.
The Beldam enjoying games is important to her character, because it's her major weakness; the book explains it better as, when the cat catches one of the rats, it starts playing with it while the rat squeaks and screeches in pain. Coraline asks the cat to stop, saying that it's torturing the rat, and the cat obliges by breaking the rat's neck, making a snide remark that some people would consider how a cat plays with its prey to be merciful, since sometimes the prey does manage to get away, ending by asking Coraline how often she lets her food escape. The Beldam's obsession with games leads to her playing with her prey, and like the cat said, sometimes the prey manages to get away.
I remember reading this book back in the 6th grade, the same year the movie came out. It scared me so much that I never read it again. Know that I'm a lot old, and maybe a little brave I would like to reread it. Just to truly understand The Beldam's motivation even more. That is a big point of her character that I forget about. Thanks for letting me know about it =)
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Understandable; the book and movie are both terrifying
I still have no idea why I chose to do a book report about it way back when...haha!
Yeah, the cat in the movie even says that Coraline should challenge her to a game, that even though she wouldn't play fair, she wouldn't refuse.
Something I'm not surprised most people wouldn't pick up on also is that the Beldam is most likely a kind of fae creature, the darker kind we call Unseely not the "Lets frolic turn that man's face into a donkey's because its funny" kind. And some of what she does makes sense if you think of her as a Fae; even the most 'evil' of fae enjoy games of most types because we tend to be pretty dull in their eyes, especially darker fae who believe a game is always rigged in their favor (and they usually set it up to be). The Beldam likes the prospect of this game because it acts like a hunt for them, and all her other creations are just extensions of her web for Coraline to get trapped in, with the final confrontation being her actively trying to grab her.
Fae of all kinds will offer gifts and deals simply because it fancies them, but the unseely fae are always hiding their intentions or purposefully not bringing them up until you specifically ask "Why?" And usually they still don't want to or are upset when you just flat ask them (which we see that the Beldam doesn't like when Coraline starts asking too many questions).
I watched a video essay a while back about how Yellow is horror movie shorthand for Victim, because its a color that stands out and makes you look at it regardless of the drab tone of the surroundings, and blood shows best on it. Something worth checking out, regarding the Georgie and Coraline yellow rain jacket thing
That sounds really interesting! I'm going to have to watch that! Thanks for letting me know about it!
For anyone interested, it was "Why Yellow Dominates the Horror Genre" by abitfrank
Thank you for the title! I'm going to add that to my watch later playlist!
reading this comment and laughing at my pfp lol
@Lynn Thomas It was an interesting video! The uses of yellow draw your eye to it, but also, makes you yield. With each character who wears it, there is a sense of mystery. When we first see, Six, Coraline, or Georgie we don't know that much about them. Making you feel on alert of what their motivations are. Whereas with a color like blue, or red you can already guess where a character lean-to. Blue is more of a trustworthy color. This is why so many Superheroes tend to where it. Where red is look more as bad or dangerous. Just like the villains who wear it. That leaves yellow as sort of a balance between the other two primary colors. Making the characters that wear it fall more in neutral alignment. Also, Coraline, Six, and Georgie possess that same type of curiosity. Coraline is eager to look around the Pink Palace. Six wakes up and starts exploring her surroundings. Georgie adventures out into the rain. That may not be what yellow represents but each one of the characters has this in common. I found that pretty interesting!
In visual media, the color yellow symbolizes a sense of youth as well. In Coraline, Little Nightmares and It each character face off against monsters that want to eat them. Whether that be to stay in control, to stay beautiful, or just to regain their energy. Each monster is eager to take the youth away for themselves.
I didn't even think about the use of paper boats in horror movies either! That was cool to learn about as well!
Sorry for the long-winded reply, but that did make me think about the color yellow in a very different way. So thanks again =)
I feel like one of the reasons Coraline goes through this prey to predator is because she is established in who she is and has a very strong resolve to say the least. Yes she does change so that she does appreciate what she does have already. But she's headstrong, takes no bull not even from her parents, and has a voice. Remember what the ghost children said...: "We let her sew the buttons in our eyes." Coraline fought because she didn't give up. She had what the other children didn't which was a very strong sense of who she is as a female protagonist. Also lets look at this socially...compared to Coraline, the three dead children probably did not have an easy life. If we take in that each of the candy jars in Miss Spink and Miss Forcible's predates either the year of each missing child or the decade they were in...we can say that they had it bad. Coraline didn't have it as bad. Also Coraline challenges Authority when it seems flawed and sus: Example: "You and Dad get paid to write about plants and you hate gardening." "You are not my mother..." The other kids didnt have that willpower or rather lived in society's where the child listens to adults and to never question them. Thats why I feel Coraline made that shift from prey to predator.
Those are very good points! She showcases perseverance, courage, and a strong sense of self. That helps her from falling victim to The Beldam's control. Also, I never connected the candy jars to the missing child before. That makes so much sense why (one) they would have the magic stone...(two) they read her fortune and tell her to be careful.
Very true
Exactly she's confident
Fun fact: There was a big hint that something unfortunate was going to happen to Coraline early in the movie. At the beginning, when she went to look into the well, the reason why Wybie stepped back was because there was a ring of mushrooms around it; also known as a Fairy Ring. Finding one can lead to good luck but as soon as you step into it, according to some folklores, the consequences can range from minor to very severe and even deadly. That's another thing you'd expect her to know as a gardening lover's child but I digress. It was another early on omen of her fate in the movie.
i’d say this is kinda a win/lose situation i mean you could argue that coraline got this bad luck from the fairy ring but coralines also extremely lucky. she escaped the other mother and saved 3 other children from a eternity in this fantasy world watching people be lured in its kind of confusing
The ghost children weren't "greedy and selfish;" they were *lonely and needy* . Coraline may have been less susceptible to the Beldam because _her_ neglect only dated from the date of whatever accident gave her mother a neck brace; before that, Coraline had a better relationship with them, so she "needed" the Beldam's attention less. Also, Coraline is feisty and snarky...something children in previous generations were discouraged from being.
Coraline is the weird (and full of courage) kind of girl, that instead of running away in fear from the centipedes, she decides to crush as many as she can with her bare hands
I could never 😂
I guess my question is...Did she ever really wash her hands after squashing all those bugs? Haha!
Dayum
Yeah
The centipede killing is a good observation. A lot of people's first instinct would be to turn around and run if they saw that many, possibly even if they had bug spray or a shoe. Coraline's first instinct is to go at them immediately with her bare hands.
6:58, I don't think the other father was possessed at all, I think he was acting friendly because the beldam was watching, but he actually gave her a subtle coded message in the song
Both Other Father and Other Wybie remind more of Westworld Cyborgs. How over time they deviate from the norm.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed the father wasn't possesed in what he says the beldam controls every item in the House and she controls him playing the piano for Coraline to entertain her but when he had to go after her he said sorry and talked about how he didn't want to
My theory is that Coraline is a pretty skeptical kid, even as she is being charmed by the Beldam. And since the Beldam uses the thoughts and desires of the children against them, it would make sense that the creations made from her skeptical mind would contain just a tiny bit of that skepticism.
It would be why the Other Sisters would hint towards Coraline's world not being real, as well as Other Father and Other Wylie. You can see from the time she comes in that she doesn't quite trust the world 100%. The prior kids were probably less skeptical, and saw no issues with trading their eyes for buttons.
Also as the cat pointed out, the Beldam can't create anything, she can only use what is available. My guess is she can't "mind control" her victims, just read their brains and reproduce their fantasies.
So if the stuff you have to work from a skeptical child...the Other Mother chose her victim poorly.
A small detail in Coraline is that when the other mother traps Coraline in the cocoon she says "be a good daughter, then I'll let u out" which references how Coraline becomes a better daughter and treats other better at the end of the film when she's finally let out by the beldam (or forced herself out)
Coralline was brought in by a tribe of Yautjas. As she grew older, she was trained in the arts of their ancient traditional ways (mostly by slaying Xenomorphs), to be granted the title of intergalactic space hunter. Having been honored by the Yautja as a member of their people by slaying an Alien Empress, Coraline then returned to Earth to claim the Other Mother’s skull as a trophy!…
…That’s what popped up in my head when I read the title to this video.
Not going to lie...I would totally watch this movie if it ever came out...haha!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed The untold story we never knew we needed.
Until now.
When i first watched Coraline, the thing that scared me the most wasn't the Beldam, wasn't the Beldam's version of the lady's downstairs, not the circus but the ghostly child with a long mouth. Elongation or disproportion of body parts is scary, imagine the False Sheperd in the Mandela Catalogue. The reason he's scary is mostly because of his figure. The long always opened mouth always smiling, the never blinking eyes. Everything is horrifying, but I love it. The way that writers and designers can play on a human's natural instinct against us is interesting.
I’m glad that people are still talking about the majesty that is Coraline! Loved the video, and Happy Halloween!😁
I think that's why I love it some much! Each person that watches it can find something new to say about it. I truly wish more movies were like this! I hope you have a wonderful Halloween as well =)
this isn't very deep but considering the color theory in the movie, its cool how coraline's clothes go from orange to, in the other world, blue, but her dad mentions in the real world that his monkey slippers (his flip flops) are blue, but his monkey slippers in the other world are orange. also, we see in a family photo where coraline has brown hair as a younger child that her blue hair color isn't natural, she purposely added it, so I wonder if the blue itself represents anything :))
That's such a fun detail! I'm normally looking at the Michigan State sweatshirt that I forget about his flip-flops all together!
This was an incredibly good take and really well executed video, I'm surprised you're so underrated! :D
Thank you for the kind words! I have a lot of fun making these videos and it's nice to see people enjoy them! I hope you have a lovely Halloween my friend =)
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed awe, I'm glad you're doing what makes you happy! Have a lovely and safe halloween c:
The whole movie is about growing up and understanding responsibility, independence, support, and self-control. It's not surprising that the creations grow too.
The theatre scene idea:
Coraline is lifted into the air and is tossed around, having fun, until getting stuck up high. She falls and April and Merriam catch her, ending the show.
Now let's relate this to the beldam... Coraline is brought into a world of enchantment, having more fun than she's had since the move. However, as her stay gets longer, she is put into a position of getting stuck, and the beldam wants her to fall right into her arms (or her web), and taking her soul, ending the beldam's charade.
So, the other April and other Merriam were hinting at the beldam's true motives within their 'wonder' as the beldam calls it
I see so it was a foreshadowing of the events ahead! With Coraline falling in a literal web at the end of the movie...VERY CLEVER!
one thing I saw was during the performance by other Miriam and sphynx is that when they were performing, they were moving like a spider making its web being graceful and able to prevent from falling. Another thing is that when Coraline comes back knowing the other mother's intentions the other Miriam and ms.sphnx is that they were in the rapper like a fly in a spider's trap forced to stay there and not move until they are free by the spider, also like a puppet forced to move or stay whenever the ventriloquist says so. When other mr.B is trying to get her to stay he glides gracefully knowing all the little spots and secrets like a spider knowing all of its web and being quiet and careful not to make a sound so it can catch it's prey.
Really cool analysis. I just wanted to mention that the bugs Coraline kills in the shower are actually silverfish. Nasty things
Thank you! I've never seen one of these creatures before. Where are they native to?
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed I know they like hot humid climates in the American south, but I don't know specifically. They also like natural fibers
You guys are so informative! I've learned so much about Silverfish from this comment section!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzedI live in south eastern Australia, and they are rampant if you leave messes around (especially in things like clothes and towels)
I would say Coraline is perceptive, she may not have clocked the poison oak, but the label on the light switch was hanging off and she couldn’t read it. Also she does ask Wybie to elaborate on why his grandma doesn’t let kids stay there but he just doesn’t elaborate.
The color thing comes up in dialogue too - her father tells her to count everything that's blue and when she tells him about the other father wearing orange slippers he says "orange? My monkey slippers are blue!" Always wondered what the significance of that was
It is rare to see such great analysis of a film on youtube nowadays. You had a clear point which you explained well and I now feel like I have a greater understanding of the movie and it's themes.
Thank you! Just going my best!
I assume the reason why the other father was so loving towards coraline was mainly because the beldam programmed him to be a loving and caring father who truly looks out for coraline ; something that coraline doesn’t exactly see in her real father during the start of the movie. But this ended up backfiring on the beldam because even though she could force the other father to hurt coraline, he himself was made to be caring and genuine and hence was willing to risk his life for her despite his true purpose of creation.
Hello! I would like to say that Six from Little Nightmares also wears a yellow raincoat and falls victim to a person called "The Lady". The Lady is a power hungry women who (I'm not positive on this but is hinted around the game) feasts on either the souls of children, or the children themselves, just like Coraline and Georgie (Who you mentioned before). Also, great video!
Look at her hair, it is dyed blue. So if blue means prey we can assume that she wants to be seen as prey cause she made it Look like that. Dragonflys also trick ther prey into being distracted by their own colorful shining body so maybe coraline was a predator from the beginning??
The yellow jacket has always been a symbol of being noticed, in the eye so to speak.
But something I notice the most is Coralines blue hair, having moved to a new place… blue is an unnatural color, very rarely seen in nature. She is quite literally an invasive species.
I watched the bug theory and I figured that the movie already implied that? I thought everyone knew this, and they idea that coralline went through her character development.
Yes, it is implied, but I had a lot of fun looking back at this film, nonetheless!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed well I enjoyed watching (:
What I've also seen someone talk about is the message about child predators this movie contains and how you don't ever talk to strangers. Seeing as how the Other mother tried to manipulate Coraline and take advantage of her like she did the other children and Other Wybie, it makes sense as to how this and the bug theory both fit in the movie.
That's interesting never thought about it that way. Thanks for sharing =)
The song the other father sings is also a warning, “she’s a peach, she’s a doll … cute as a button in the eyes”.
The song is foreshadowing...and a bop! You love to see it!
Dunno why theres a lot of coraline content recently but im absolutely living for it
Haha, probably because of Halloween! It's nice to see this movie getting the recognition it deserves though!
the other fathers song is actually warning coraline of whats gonna happen to her "Shes a doll" "Cute as a button in the eyes of coraline" "We'll have our eyes on coraline"
Fun little detail I would like to add to for bug symbolism coroline's dragonfly association could actually be seen as a false identification on the part of both the viewer and the belldam. As dragonflies have a fairly similar (but far less gaunt or delicate) appearance to dragonflies yet hunt and eat spiders rather than being prey to them like their similar counterparts the dragonflies. The actual method of hunting is infact through a confusing flight pattern and plucking up said spider strait from the web. It kinda fits in a weird way since even the ganglier builds in this are often in layers that make them appear thicker while coroline comes off thin like the other mother herself which is an actual well spot able difference between the two insects which share a genus. This makes it feel like the other mother mistook a little predator for prey and the "prey" caught on to what the "predator" really intended only for nature to prove them wrong...
My favorite bit of foreshadowing is the doll. The doll is Coraline with buttons for eyes - a message from the Belldam of what she wants Coraline to become: a living doll.
This may be random, but the doll's design reminds me of Robert the Doll. A real life supernatural doll.
I find it weird how Coraline just magically wakes up in the normal world. wouldn't she have to go through the door? or is this just another illusion. Because after she went to bed when she was asked if she wanted to stay there forever, she doesn't wake up in the normal world. Also, the cat just disappears at the most random times. Magic isn't in the normal world is it?? because at the end of the movie that cat just disappears behind the pink palace sign, so I think Coraline never went back to the normal world.
Also, Miriam saw a giraffe in the cup right?? and corallines parents were trapped in the DETROIT ZOO snow globe. they both could have read it right.
and you know how Wybie said that "My grandma never allows kids in the pink palace," and the reason why she was an acceptation is because the Coraline doll was trapped in a trunk and the doll couldn't get out so the beldam could not spy on her through the doll.
and on the cake, welcome only had one loop in the O but in "home" there were two loops. two loops in one O means they are lying. so Coraline in welcome, but she's not home.
P.S sorry that was a lot...
Coraline and 6 both wear a yellow raincoat, both have to deal with a murderous lady out to get them and both turn the tables on the ones after them. The Beldam for Coraline and The Lady for 6.
I love how, everyone is saying when they were a kid they had NIGHTMARES. With me, I found this movie the most interesting movie. I LOVE CAROLINE. The movie is so good!
I read the book before watching this movie. And let me tell you the images are pretty frightening for a child...haha!
Other father may have been forced to sing to Coraline but he still hid hints in it! "She's a doll" to imply that the other mother isn't what she seems. "She's a pal of mine" to show that the other father wants to help her escape. And finally "cute as a button in the eyes of everyone" to vet at the fact that the other mother wants to sew buttons in Coralines eyes
Well there's one thing i know from someone else's video. When colarines real father plays piano it's animated correctly. But when that other father plays his piano it's fake because he's pressing wrong keys
This is really interesting! The video is really well edited too! You're super underrated!
Well, thank you! Editing takes a long time, but I have a lot of fun working on these videos =)
I have one thing to say: There's no such thing as over thinking there's just different amounts of effort put in to understanding deeper meanings.
11:44 they actually had to do that scene so many times that the person that got murdered (well she didn't actually get murdered) build it up so much anxiety that you couldn't even go in the shower. But when she had to she had to leave her curtain open and stare at the door so somebody doesn't come in and murder her like this scene shows. I guess you could say that she was never the same after that.
*Coraline shuts of the power and her dad loses his progres"
" They ask you how you are and you just have to say that you fine"
That really got me
We've all been there! It's like a part of your soul dies when it does...haha!
Regarding the yellow raincoat, that also applies to Six in Little Nightmares, who AGAIN IS IN THE SAME DAMN SITUATION
i think it is a trope at this point
To piggyback off the sentiment a lot of people have already shared; Wiybie and other Father were made in a way that caused them to help Coraline because the Beldam had never had a reason not to. The previous children agreed to be buttoned and became prey, whereas Coraline was the first to refuse. Other father and Wiybie might be "reused" parts of her trap and therefore she never saw how making them her friends could be an issue because it never was before!
One theory I saw was that Coraline never left the Other World.
The Beldam couldn't trap her like the others, so decided differently. As in, that scene when the Other Wybie shows what would happen if he goes through the tunnel is when Coraline goes through a fake tunnel, continuing to stay without ever knowing.
The scariest part is imagining if Coraline hadn't realized something was wrong before it was too late
10:14 I would argue that those kids may not have been enticed simply because they were greedy or selfish. They may have genuinely felt out of place in their world and unlike Coraline been under more life stress such as parental abuse, divorce, neglect, etc. As well as different times such as during war, the great depression or even societal instability. Those dolls may have been the only ones they genuinely believed loved them for who they were in spite of what was going on around them. Coralie has many people who genuinely care about her while those kids may have only had the dolls as comfort.
Here is my theory for the other Father (can’t say for other Wybie but it can be applied to it):
I feel like they do have a conscious to an extent since in the beginning when we first met the other father, I feel like he was controlled by the other mother/Beldam but maybe around the half way mark, he was able to have his own conscious after he grew attached to Coraline (similar to Other Wybie) so he tried to help as much as he could before his demise which could explain why he gave up one of the ghost children’s soul/eyes
I can see that! As The Beldam get weaker the other father become more aware!
I enjoyed your analysis, especially because it focussed on details like the bugs and color theory that I missed in the "overall big" analysis videos
Sometimes you have to look at the small details to appreciate the bigger picture...At least that how I look at it...haha!
P.S. really cute user pic!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed absolutely =) thanks for all your work in this video. I'm sure you did a great job at the others too. Gonna watch those over the next days. This was the first i got to experience
Knowing that French & Saunders voiced the two old ladies (I forgot their names) is just amazing :)
It's crazy! There are so many great vocal performances in this movie!
P.S. Love your profile picture! Looks really cool!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Thanks, I spent a while drawing it and it changes so often since I can't think of a complete design for my character yet :/
Something I’ve noticed is the fact that there is no hint that the beldam is actually dead
Turn the replies to this comment into a kindergarten fight
The Other Father’s song was in my opinion the first time the Other Father tried to help Coraline. Listen to the lyrics and compare them to what happens in the movie. It’s a giant warning, especially the last line.
“When she comes around exploring mom and I will never ever make it boring our eyes will be on Coraline”
This movie only gets better with age
If you search it up, centipedes prey on spiders, at the beginning of the movie coraline is obviously smashing the centipedes, when wybies grandmothersr sister basically got tooken by the beldam, I feel like that has something to do with coraline and the past of the pink palace, coraline was able to overpower the beldam, and that was a sign from the past for the next kids who fall victim to overpower the beldam. Imaging coraline, what are your thoughts?
The other-mother gets skinnier and skinnier as she reveals more what she really is. It's like she's exposing how much she's been starving, since her last prey.
That's a fascinating way of looking at it!
great analysis, making me fall in love with this film all over again, so many details I missed in 1st watch
Insane production quality, really great video! ❤
Thank you! That means a lot! I'm just doing my best to make interesting content!
It’s so cool how even after 14 years people are still finding new things about the movie
It is a great film, with so much to chat about!
Fun Fact: When Coraline gets her Welcome Home cake from other mother, the word 'welcome' has one loop on the o, while the word 'home' has two. When a word features an o with two loops in cursive, it means a person is lying. This means that Coraline is welcome, but not home.
Fun fact: the lightning the other mother causes in the first part of the film looks like a hand! Idk if this was on purpose or not but it's interesting.
This movie is a masterpiece in small details!
This is amazing I love that this came up on my recommendation. This is probably the best thing to pop up on my recommendation in a Really LONG time, so thanks for that. I love phycological and analytical stuff like this AND I LOVE CORALINE so you’re pretty awesome for making this vid. You even pointed out some stuff like the colors that I didn’t even know about, which is really saying something because I know a lot about this movie lol.
Pennywise feeds on the life Force but the belldam feeds off there soles using there eyes
I see...never read "It" so I don't know all the subtleties of his character.
Great video you’re very entertaining!!! You deserve a lot more subscribers!
Thank you! That means a lot =)
is it just me or is every one talking about the nostalgic Coraline move.
Another theorie I heard about why the other father and other April and Miriam help Coroline is that there bodies are made from the stolen Bodies of the 3 childeren before Coraline, 2 girls and 1 boy and there for are not fully under controle of the other mother. Other YB is an exaption here as he was not in the books!
Ps. Amazing video❤
That is interesting, they'll carry a soul so it would make sense why they would become sentient. Thanks for sharing!
P.S. Glad you enjoyed it! Take Care =)
I finished reading the book some days ago and ngl it’s my fav book.
189 pages in 4 days so it was so funny and good
Coraline's OtherDad tries to warn her with his song. It's a heavy shower of foreshadowing
I met a waitress that looks like Coraline 😂 I was a little mind blown. This movie kinda scared me when I was younger but I do like it
This movie legit scared me as a kid :)
Maybe in the performance by April and Meriam when they zip off there skin is like how The Other Mother is slowly becoming/looking more like she really does
Really good video! I loved it. I really love this movie! You got a new subscriber.
Before I made this video, I kind of forget about this movie. I'm glad I watched it again because it truly is one of a kind =)
Also, thank you for your support! It really does means a lot!
Honestly just watching this years ago when it came out i was traumatized because when i saw the spider woman and bugs it freaked me out because i have Arachnophobia and the facts really surprised me and knowing coraline again because i forgot her and i watched the movie 3 or 4 years ago or when it just came out and im 9 years old super long time since i watchd it.... anyway thanks for sharing all this info
I've been dodging this video as I didn't watch the movie but RUclips just kept pushing this video for months. I couldn't resist it anymore so I watched the movie and now I'm watching this
I'm sorry the youtube algorithm kept pushing this video at you. But I'm glad it got you to watch the film. The stop motion is beautiful done! What are your thoughts on the film?
@@CinemaOverAnalyzedI think the main world is deliberately designed to be boring for us viewers because the director wanted us to stick to the second world, just like the other mother wanted Coraline to. I also think that there is a lot of symbolism going on in the film, and I need to watch it maybe one or two more times because there's still a lot to learn.
You know I was just going to ask after Coraline defeats the Beldam what is stopping the Beldam from kidnapping her real parents again?
Well , as she has no ghost eyes ,which are her power sources , she has no power to kidnapp her parents again, as she states as Coraline leaves for a fina, times " No! Please don't leave me!, Don't leave me!! I'll DIE without you!" So it shows why she has no power after Coraline defeats her, through she still had power to control her hand to attempt to regain the key and Coraline? Can someone help me answer this , I am fighting against myself!
That's a great question! The Beldam is still a magical creature with her own magic abilities. At some point in the past, before she had taken her first soul, she was still able to survive. In my eyes, something else ties her to this plane of existence. That being the key to the other world. If the key is destroyed so is The Beldam. In the end, Coraline and Wybie never destroyed it, so The Beldam still lives on. A shadow of her former self.
I'd say when April and Miriam unzip their outfits into a completely different appearance hints to later when the other mother is revealed to be anything but her mother
Georgie, Six (from little nightmares), and Coraline- all horror games where some monster feeds on children. Huh. I wonder if there’s a theme..
the other father and other wybie were very helpful, other father's song had hints, wybie gave hints aswell, those 2 died trying to save coraline from the other mother (ew, a roach) btw, im gonna watch it again to find more little easter eggs
The word "Beldam" can mean ugly malicious women or in other words 'witch'. For me I like the idea that the word beldam reminds me of the words "Belle Dame" meaning beautiful lady. These words reminc me of the poem La Belle Dame Sans Merci, 'The Beautiful Lady Without Pity' In the poem it talks about meeting a beautiful lady with 'wild eyes'. This poem was written in 1819 and published in 1820 by John Keats. The pink palace was built during Queen Victorias reign which is through the years 1837 to 1901. The house is said to be 150 years old and many believe the belle dame is that old as well. The poem La Belle Dame Sans Merci, makes me think otherwise. The lines 'I med a lady in the meads, Full beaty, A "Faery's" child.' 'For sideways she would lean, and sing a faery's song' 'She took me to her elfin grot' and finally 'And there I shut her wild, wild eyes'. A faery's child could mean 'deadly woman' usually one who uses her beauty to allure and beguile others. Though it may seem like the man just fell in love with a beautiful lady it seems that he had described her as not quite human. The words faery's child could also lead to being half fairy. Half fairys can either look like a human or a fairy. So maybe the beldam is a half fairy who became evil because in much old folklore faires were vicious, vindictive, and cruel. Faries are also known to live for over thousands of years, maybe even forever.
To sum it all up I believe the beldam is a half fairy who grew to feed on the souls of children to keep herself young and alive. I believe the poem has a chance to be about her maybe in her young days around maybe 15 or older making her maybe around 170 or older during her hunt for coraline.
I can explain more deeply if wanted but for now is enough cuz i cant type no more lol
I decided to watch this movie after watching Shrek when we were moving and it traumatized and scared me and it still does
The question of what's really going on with the other mother's puppetted doll beings --other father, other Wybie etc is important. What's particularly distressing about becoming a button-eyes being is that some humanity and authenticity is still there there to feel human suffering. Symbolically, it's easy for the fantasy world to create a mother who all indulgence for Coraline and have Coraline buy it --it's an externalizing of Coraline's Phycology. Her true mother is the enforcer parent who sets boundaries for Coraline's desires and exploration, and the parent and she can be mean and neglectful. It's partly because this mom is ambitiously trying to balance motherhood with supporting the family through a tough financial patch in her high-stress job, but both of Coraline's parents also encourage her to become more independent and self-reliant when things don't go her way, pushing her toward greater maturity.
This is hard enough on Coraline that it's easy for her to want the fantasy escapism of the Other Mother but such cracks as in control as the Beldam has on people in the other world probably gesture toward the truth that as soon as Coraline's escapism gets beyond her mother it's far harder for her maintain. Her father is creative, imaginative and kind like Coraline, so it's easier to find something inherently unfair in making him more accommodating. Wybie really only an interesting playmate if he has his own will and character, even when it's at odds with Coraline's moodiness. The other world doesn't feel so real with such false "others" so obviously playing parts, so that's where Coraline and viewers start to grasp the dark side of it--it's inherrent cruelty in the way it treats real, imperfecet humanity.
I watched Coralin since I was a kid!
1:16 also the other mother and pennywises final forms are a spider wich gives them even more similarities
I'd also like to add "Six" to her yellow raincoat fact as she battles the masked woman who feeds off of the children's youth, guess yellow raincoats are a style for all these victms
You know you made an incredible movie when people are still making theorys on it and talking about it over a decade later
For sure! I think people will still be talking about it 50 years from now!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed I agree! Thank you so much for being a part of the community that covers this movie. It was always my favorite as a kid and still is!
The piece the other Miss Spink and Miss Forcable perform is from Macbeth (I think) that reflects what's going on in the movie, except they leave out the last line revealing its all a trap
Honestly, never read Macbeth, but it seems rather interesting. Might have to give it a read.
She is actually quite smart in the book
It has been a while since I read the books. It's about time I reread!
I plan on reading it every October
Maybe its because we spend more time with the Other Wybie but it seems like he has his own personality more than the Other Father, like the scene where the other mother gestures for him to smile in almost a mocking way and he just seems ashamed of being part of the whole thing. It almost seems like he's an actual person since he doesn't seem to just play into whatever Coraline desires and the only other being we see who isn't always happy
1:16 Also 6 from LN (Little Nightmares)
And the Raincoat-Girl
Damn only 1k subs this is good storytelling I’m subbing rn
Thanks that means a lot! Just doing my best to make interesting content!
I think that the gloves of the piano predict that the other father is being controlled by the other mother.
7:34 The real father's monkey slippers are blue, whereas the other father's monkey slippers are orange
I didn't notice that! My eye normally is drawn to the Michigan State sweatshirt. I never really paid close attention to his shoes! Thanks for sharing this fun little detail!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed the real father actually said it, I believe the dialogue went as follows (it was the morning after her first visit btw)
Coroline (talking about the other father): "... and he had orange monkey slippers"
Real father: "don't be silly, my monkey slippers are blue"
Real mother: "if the real Charlie Jones wants to finish his section of the catalog, he needs to get back to work asap"
I thought because she was older than the other kids
That's an interesting point there!
6:58 if you listen to the words of the other fathers song closely hes telling coraline that the other mother wants to sew buttons in her eyes
“Our EYES will be ON CORALINE”
no wonder i love both coraline and hollow knight bugs are awesome
Belldams hand is like the prototype from poppy playtime
No..the prototype’s hand looks like the beldam’s hand
i love your videos
Thank you that means a lot =)
You know, I still wonder to this day how this movie was able to be pg, like this movie terrified me as a kid, and it kinda still does tbh
same...haha!
It wasn’t supposed to be. Neil Gaiman had his niece (I think) read it to see if it was too scary for kids and she said she wasn’t scared. Later it was revealed that she was actually terrified but she wanted to know what happened next. It was supposed to be a lot more scary, if not just not published at all.