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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- What makes British police handcuffs special and so different from American handcuffs? Are rigid cuffs worth it? How do you find pouches for rigid handcuffs?
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One of the best pieces of kit we have over here. Like you say, very quick to get the cuffs out and on, especially once the holder is broken in. They take up a lot of space on the belt though! Wouldn’t be without them though.
I've had the KMP cuff pouch (the third UK one you showed) for about 3 months now after waiting for a 4 month pre order to arrive and it's an absolutely brilliant cuff holder, easily the best molle cuff only pouch you can get.
I used to have one that also had a second smaller pouch on it to keep gloves etc in which was good but took up more room on my vest.
If you want a low profile, fast and easy to use cuff only holder for your vest, the KMP pouch is the perfect one.
They're designed by people with policing experience and they've updated each batch based on feedback from police officers using them in the real world and it really shows.
The only cuffs I will ever use
TCH 840 Rigids - Timeless and very practical
I use mine with a H2 swivel Protec Police positive lock hand cuff holder.
Far greater than any of the holders or pouches previously used.
I envision these handcuffs being useful for Corrections. They seem to provide better stability for maneuverability during transport.
PWL is Price Western Leather, they are a UK company that make a lot of different police equipment, mostly for belt kits. Rigid cuffs are good, I've had TCH and Hiatts, and currently have an older pair of Hiatts issued by my current force. Only issue I ever had with them was working plain clothes, because due to their size they'd normally stick out of jeans pockets or look very obvious in coat or jacket pockets, and the plain clothes harnesses you can get to accommodate them are more tricky to use when trying to deploy them. But generally speaking, and as someone who has never really used chain cuffs as they aren't issued in many UK police forces, I find rigid cuffs really well suited to our work, especially front and rear stacking of prisoners to limit mobility. Can't daisy chain though, that doesn't work very well!
@@PerthLuxury that's true, not allowed to use personal issue items where I work sadly, have to stick with the stuff you're given otherwise that would be a good option!
Cool to see the pros and cons of the different equipment used on each side of the pond
They are by far my favourite cuffs so far. Just got my hands on a blue pair. 💙
These were standard issue at the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Office for the SERT team but we eventually got rid of them due to tons of injuries and eventually a death.
Thanks for sharing the info and making this video. Super cool cuffs!
The more recent ones also have cuff key holes on both sides. Make for twisting Prisoners up to get to the key hole a thing of the past 😂😎
I've had KMP's Cuff pouch for a few months now after having it pre-ordered for quite some time.
Genuinely couldn't be happier with them, such ease to use and less messing around with the pouch and the retention bar is VERY handy
There are some Folding Rigid cuffs too 😉
where did you buy the KMP holder from ?? not had any luck in finding them on kit suppliers, i carry cuffs for work and this looks ideal instead of the belt or other molle type, TIA
These are Hiatts Cuffs, my mom used a pair of old chain hiatts cuffs for 20 years and they still work as new, now she passed her pair to me i used them at the academy.
I am a policeman in Malta we use both the chain link cuffs and the rigid cuffs. My personal preference would be the rigid ones.
If you will handcuffed me then which handcuffs you will use chained cuffs or rigid cuffs?
I have the exact same handcuffs issued to me, and they are a decent piece of kit.
They’re are of course pros to chained handcuffs but I’d personally prefer rigid all day every day.
Really easy to get on with a struggle and manipulative the subjects arm/wrist if they’re fighting.
My exact pouch isn’t in the video, but it’s basically the leather belt one but without the bit covering one of the sides. Really quick to get out and the second the are in my hand they are in the position to put on the suspect
They also give the suspect a lot less ability with moving hands and fighting when cuffed.
Main issue is having a good space for them to be stored in the US. If you don't have an outer carrier, you run out of room on the belt very quickly, adding gun, magazines etc.
I've got the ASP folding rigid ones keep in a belt strap, but they're heavy.
@@Darkpara1 yeah definitely, I can imagine having far less room in the US. They definitely are bulky but I love rigid handcuffs.
You can can folding rigid handcuffs but not sure how common they are over there or if they are any good
@@responseofficer I mean I had the Hiatt speed cuffs as a Met officer. The Asp folding ones are great, but they're pricey, and not easily stored without an outer carrier. I have 0 room on my belt that's not against my spine no that i'm an officer in the US.
@@responseofficer I've got the ASP folding rigid ones that I paid a lot of money for. But I don't really use them due to the bulk.
@@Darkpara1 yeah I bet. How do you find the difference having worked in both the Met and the US?
The old hiatt ones we were issued were the best the new TCH840 ones I don’t really like but they’re brilliant
We use these handcuffs in Western Australia, amazing for someone who is non-compliant, one you stack their hands behind their back they have no leverage at all.
An interesting sequel to this would by you demonstrating deployment of these cuffs vs US cuffs on another person. Pros and cons there would be helpful to see. Also I wondered if a "perp" could ride in a police car with these on without getting injured. Thanks.
in he UK. handcuffed prisoners travel in the back of a caged van to custody. 85% of the time they are cuffed in a Rear Stack, much like a strait jacket, to the rear. restricts hand movement and very difficult to lash out at officers.
if the prisoner is suitable for transport in a car. two constables will control the arms and unlock one wrist and bring both arms around to the front and re-apply to a Front Stack so the prisoner can sit behind the passenger seat, with one constable sitting behind the driver.
We do not have a metal cage separating the rear from the front. this allows the prisoner to wear a seatbelt in the rear as required by law. the wearing of the seat belt also has the advantage of restricting the prisoners movement, should they lurch forward intentionally if there happens to be a constable sitting in the front passenger seat. on the way to custody.
@spellerwix I know it's an old comment, but I'm not understanding the connection between the cage and the seatbelts?
The open top leather one doesn't see too much use, if you want to find out why, put it on your belt pre loaded and at a slight angle down. Then get in your car and put your seat belt on
I've always wondered about these limey cuffs! Pretty cool!
You can get a folding version of these that are pretty cool. Worth a look
Yeah, though those are the US version
@@sakurachannel9624 Nah made by the same UK company, firearms units use them
They're shite though, the folding mechanism over time begins to fail, and eventually it snaps giving the DP a lovely weapon.
Some of the UK copper kit is very well made. I was able to obtain one of the hi-viz POLICE vest that has a pouch for those kind of cuffs built in. I use that vest for traffic duty all the time.
3 minutes in and I’m still recovering from that initial slurp of coffee
For me the biggest thing I like about the rigid handcuffs is the security they provide against someone trying to tamper with them as you are not able to bring your hands together to try and pry them apart of pic the key of racket mech. Down side is not as flexable when trying to cuff someone who is resisting or someone who can't bring thier arms together behind them. I see these being more usefull for a correctional or court setting. I do have a question though was anyone else every taught with a compliant person how changing the hand position can increase security/decrease chance of cuffs being picked? (palm to palm, one plan inwards one outwards, both plams facing outwards applies to cuffing in front or back)
I've never heard of that tecgnique but it makes sense.
In the UK we us two methods, front stack and rear stack. Search it out and you'll be impressed.
@@RiftSecurity01 some local forces don’t teach any front cuff techniques and either back to back or stacked to the rear.
@@mobern99 Very rare. The only time people are/or at least should be cuffed behind their back in the UK is when they are dangerous or resisting arrest. Someone who is compliant should be front cuffed as it is more comfortable for the person and it’s easier for them to be in a car.
You can escape any hancuff nomatter how it is placed with a bar key. You know, the long kind with a clip. Hide it in the back of your compression boxers. Once cuffed...
Step 1: take out the key and clip it to your belt pointed towards your feet.
Step 2: pull your pants up as high as they can go.
Step 3: trial and error until you find the keyhole on the right cuff.
Step 4: twist right to disengage double lock and then twist left to free the cuffs.
Before any of this you'll need to JB weld the clip to the bar key in the correct direction, with the flange of the key facing your right hand when attached to your belt. Just remember, some handcuffs have the keyholes inverted, in such case youll have to aim for your left cuff (refer to step 3) and twist in opposing directions (refer to step 4). Good luck!
Just brought the kmp tactical pouch for work cant wait
Cool video Tommy. I finally made it to a PD academy. We're about 1 month in.
That’s awesome, man. I’m still trying to get back into law enforcement. I should have never left.
I have a set of these handcuffs in yellow with a high vis cuff case tch
Handcuffs also come in red, blue, yellow and black
It’s a safariland crest on the handcuff pouch I’ve got a vest from safariland that has the same crest on its buttons
Thanks Tommy!
Fun fact, its more common in the UK to cuff compliant suspects in front, rather than in back. I'm not sure if that related to these cuffs being more uncomfortable than traditional cuffs or their policies give officers more latitude.
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Your opinion on the handcuffs used in France would be very interesting I think :)
They make a Kydex version of the belt holster that our LTs wear a work and they're great. I carry rapid cuffs daily at my current post and I just put a giant carabiner on my duty belt. But that is in no way ideal, it's very loud and very dangley
Is the hang up in American policy that they want to be using what they have and have had, Vs. it's something new that we don't have any experience with/about? Seems like the deployment and leverage benefits alone are a giant step up for helping to effectively take people into custody.
Do you know more about these? I am in the UK and have a couple of these but I recently bought an ex-police pair (british police) which are US made HIATT with the nice new style of branding etched into the double strands, but they have TCH-style grips BUT they are actually marked as HIATT not TCH. I have never ever seen an American hiatt speedcuff with a properly HIATT branded TCH style grip. I did a demo video yesterday on them. If you happen to know anything about this, whether the US HIATT is selling cuffs now with the new TCH style grip? Did UK TCH do a limited run of their grips with HIATT stamping on for some reason? It's boggled my brain.
what is the thing that is on some holser of a gun like it has a vecaw tthing on the frunt
so ii'm a fan of your channel so if i was a security guard or police officer i would prob use rigid or hinge handcuffs they are the best types of handcuffs but i never use zip ties because it could cut the blood supply
If you was a police officer then would you want handcuffed me behind my back and put me in the jail ?
You where right about them being like the old HIATT.
TCH is what HIATT became in about 2008. So the 840 are almost exactly the same as the old HIATT Speedcuff. They are triple pawl too so harder to pick. Shame that now (because of the EU) they are making the 802, keyways both sides, but the new keyway is much easyer to pick. Those 840s are cracking cuffs👍
I love your videos! I've had an interest in becoming an LEO, but not sure if I could make it through the academy! I do find handcuffs rather interesting :) Pretty cool to see the technology in them! Be Blessed and thank you for your service as a LEO!
I didn't think I'd make it through the academy either but I made it and have been an LEO for 10 years now. You can do it brother. Just put your heart into it and make earning that badge your # 1 priority
I am a police officer in nz
Can I ask something?
Just switched agencies, And while I am overall much happier at my new place, by leaps and bounds, we are chain link cuff only.
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I'm going to miss my hinge cuffs, and will definitely regret not being able to use solid cuffs like this. They seem like you get an awful lot of compliance for very little effort or injury, and a fast set onto the first wrist.
Do you plan on using them ?
UK Police often apply these rigid cuffs in front - only Sussex Police has a policy requiring handcuffing behind the back. You'll often see them applied in a front stack position, which can be achieved with rigid and hinged cuffs but not the old-style chain-linked cuffs.
Are they harder to get on in a tussle?
Usually the opposite - you get a really good grip, so once the first cuff is on the detainee pretty much has to acquiesce.
@@awmperry I've used cam lever cuffs but thought they were were harder in the tussle. These look like you're only going to get that wrist in one way, which is the right way and that's good. I've just been in some protracted scuffles that were real shit shows. Wish I had had a chance to try these...
They have the added advantage of providing an effective pain compliance method. I once taught a local stagefight group to use them - guys who are used to taking hits, doing stunts, and a couple of pro MMA guys among them - and the biggest guy of the lot (who apparently had some significant MMA success behind him, though don’t ask me what - I don’t understand sports) was convinced he’d be able to resist. A five-degree tilt of the cuffs and he went down.
@@russhamilton3800 We use these style in the prison system now (I've heard of you) Not sure what SHU used when you were in but we have RRB Rapid cuffs now, no chain cuffs. And they are harder to get on in a fight
@@joshkosek5757 we used hinged but also leg irons, because monsters! I Googled up the Rapid Cuff you mention. They look like an improvement in some ways but damn inmates have a way of finding weaknesses! How can a piece of equipment so necessary not have reached perfection? I guess the engineering just isn't there yet! Take care and stay safe!
Curious about placement … key side out?
Usually key side in. As they're on the strong side of the belt taking them out ends up with your right thumb over one of the key holes. With most application techniques this also results in the key holes facing you and also easy access to the double locking pin holes.
@@DarkFire515 thanks for the reply. So the key hole would face out when applied to the arrestee?
We use an RRB version of these at work (fed prison) and we typically keyway out.
@@philp411 Depends on the cuffing technique used but in most cases the key holes end up facing away from the suspect and towards you, yes.
single bar always facing forward, for quick application. key holes facing inward, thumb will cover keyhole when cuff is grasped correctly. i'd include a image if i could with my spare cuffs.
How many times have you had an arrestee conceal a handcuff key that you've found?
How do you carry a handcuff key without loosing it? Any tips or gear to make it easier?
I carry one on my belt keyring, and one of the oversized pen ones that go in my uniform shirt pocket.
So, are you using this handcuffs?
ive do my own video of the handcuffs
Where to get them in usa?
Can you please send some old handcuffs
Can we embed a gps with lte and fast acting sedative rigged or detonating cord to Bluetooth proxy sensor.
gps with LTE probably, sedatives are not easy to use like in movies, detcord absolutely illegal on handcuff
They look very uncomfortable I would rather wear American handcuffs
Interesting. 🤔 I think, I like ares more, theirs are a little too bulky. They look like they might be for transporting prisoners. 😌
They do look like more suitable to prison service ones. But nearly all Home Office forces use speedcuffs.
Yes, I looking at the space they will take considering what us Police Officer have to carry today. Most P.Os carry two sets of cuffs. Imagine carrying two sets of those cuffs....👮♂️
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I always thought they were cool.
thanks for covering the UK cuffs. not the most interesting subject in the world.
not just police, also central government law enforcement agencies use those cuffs as well