ORC 57: An Enchanting Journey through Wine, Art, and Design Inspiration
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- ORC 57
Outremer Yard: 726 Avenue Robert Fages 34280 La Grande-Motte, FRANCE
ORC Yard: K1, BSM de keroman Bloc, Rue du Commandant l'Herminier, 56100 Lorient, France
Wine: Route de Ménétréol - 18300 Sancerre
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Welcome back to Naval Gazing at Camp David.
This week’s guest yacht is the big boy from Marsaudon Composites,
The ORC 57!
Today we are going to
1. Review its specifications, pricing and layout against three similar new vessels.
2. Do a full tour asking, “What would Sylvia say?”
3. Naval Gaze at an innovation and/or adjustment that might make life aboard easier.
4. Have a look at the used market for 3-5 year old comparables
5. And finally give it a “Dave Score” and compare the result with all our previously reviewed yachts.
From above Vancouver British Columbia, we fly across the Atlantic to the Southeast Coast of France and the home of last week’s yacht at the Outremer/Gunboat yards in La Grande-Motte.
From here we head Northwest across France to the old Submarine base in Lorient and the yards of Marsaudon Composites who build the ORC 57.
For our wine pairing this week we head inland and South to Sancerre and the vineyards of Joseph Mellot.
Our pairing is Joseph Mellot Sancerre La Chatellenie 2020
Domaine Joseph Mellot is a historical, family-owned wine estate which origins go back to 1513. Over the generations, the Domaine has become a specialist in producing the fine wines of the Central-Loire Valley vineyards. Its unique savoir-faire has given it the legitimacy to be an ambassador for the wines of the region.
Grapes destined for the Joseph Mellot white wines are crushed in pneumatic presses. This gives them complete control over both the increase in pressure and the length of pressing time, enabling them to extract the purest juice. Fermentation lasts 10 to 15 days at a controlled temperature, and takes place either in Joseph Mellot’s modern winery, or in their historic cellar located in the heart of Sancerre.
Innovation Corner
• ORC 57 Web page: www.marsaudon-...
• Echopilot: echopilot.com/...
o FLS 3D £9,550 / €11,235 / $13,000
o 3D Forward Looking Sonar
The 3D Forward Looking Sonar is one of the best proven Forward Looking Sonars. The FLS 3D displays a 3-dimensional representation of the underwater scene ahead of the boat. The seabed terrain and potential hazards are shown, for the first time, in real-time view and with unparalleled realism.
The FLS 3D comes with twin retractable transducers to ensure complete forward coverage whatever the hull form. The view ahead is 60 degrees in the horizontal plane and over 90 degrees in the vertical plane. The forward range is up to 200 m and 100 meters depth.
The Transducers comes in two sizes: 5” and 10” depending on the size of the hull. The transducers come with three different types of skin fittings to ensure they will fit any type of hull. You can choose between Bronze, steel or aluminum depending on your hull.The importance of Forward Looking Sonar Technology is the depth to range ratio.
The FLS 3D has a staggering 20 x depth ratio! This means that you will see 100 meters ahead with only 5 meters of water underneath your boat. This is the highest ratio in Forward Looking Sonar Technology!
The FLS 3D Forward Looking Sonar has the groundbreaking technology of Real-Time Forward Looking Sonar. The display updates every one second so the captain will always be updated on the seabed terrain and potential hazards ahead. The FLS 3D is also designed as a black box to work with any existing display that has a video input.
SA/D Calculator: www.nuomo.com/b...
D/L Calculator: lakesideriggin...
Wine: www.josephmell...
Sail away ORC 57 ~ $1,792,500 USD
Art Stop:
Theodore Roussel (1847-1926)
Twilight
Theodore Roussel was Born in Lorient, Brittany France. Having fought in the Franco-Prussian War, Roussel moved to England in 1870. He settled in London and shared a studio with Percy Jacomb-Hood and Thomas Henry in Chelsea.
In 1891 Roussel moved to Parsons Green, Fulham and his continued to paint aesthetic landscapes and portraits as well as producing many excellent etchings. Roussel died in St Leonards on Sea in 1926 and a Memorial Exhibition of his work was held in the following year at Goupil Gallery, London. More than 30 of his pictures were included in the “London Impressionists” exhibition at the Michael Parkin Gallery, London in 1975.
Another opinion: • Onboard the beast: the...
I loved this video. Thank you for the in-depth analysis. Lots of work went into the making of this video and people should be super appreciative of the effort you've put in mate so kudos to you there.
Some points if you don't mind my saying.
-loved some of the turns of phrase "elegant minimalism" "superfluous nonsense" "this isn't for Princesses this is for Batman" :)
-Safety wasn't mentioned much or enough imo. performance means you can sail on a flatter ocean more often and your weather windows expand greatly if your vessel can sail at 6 or 7 knots in 5 knots of wind. On a crossing comfortably being able to sail at speed = safety which is precisely when you want to be safe.
-putting the Bali and Privilege in any light category is just plain wrong. What would constitute heavy?
-Outremer = light and Marsaudon = ultralight.
-because a vessel might sail at 20 knots doesn't mean that one would sail it at that speed at all times. this seems obvious but people seem to forget this.
-if you are representing the forward facing sonar company you should mention that and if you're not you should mention that also. Not a big deal but maybe in future would be good.
-your Dave score... your Dave score... you can't put this boat below some of the other boats on this list mate come on. Your dave score should have safety in it as well.
-lazy sailor in the dave score > the ORC57 should be a 10. You can put up half the sail up with the sheeting all kooked up and wrong and it'll still sail like a beast.
Again mate I really loved your video you made.
If you haven't seen mine I'd love for you to check this one out:
ruclips.net/video/LGD5pmANdgA/видео.html
Holy Mackerel!!! I had to look three times to make sure I was really getting a comment from Sailing La Vagabond and Riley. Thanks so very much for your kind comments and detailed thoughts. You have to know up front that the extent of my sailing experience is a Lazer on a lake as a kid and the RYA Competent Crew sailing course off the coast of Vancouver. The first time I was on a cat was in April this year at La Grande-Motte. The channel is a tongue in cheek attempt to slowly convince my beloved that a circumnavigation would be a fantastic retirement project. (Its sloooowwwly working). I never expected to learn so much from my audience, but comments like yours are just fantastic. Re the products. I really did laugh out loud, but you are right, now that I think of it. I only have 350 subs and never think that folks might think I’m pitching. When I started this, I had no idea that a 20 ton Leopard 50 was super heavy so sometimes I put a couple of led sleds along side performance machines just so other newbies like me can grasp the delta. Anyway, thanks so much for taking the time to write these great points. They will all be put to great use. I’m dying to see your Rapido an look forward to continuing to follow your adventures. Who knows…maybe you will see Sylvia and I out there one day six years from now.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid I look forward to meeting you out on the water mate. Tell Sylvia she doesn't know what she's missing out on.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid Im just a random stranger giving you a high five cause you got Riley giving your channel a look. Good for you my dude!
@@Stylefront Thanks so much. I couldn’t believe it either!! Had to look three time to see it was really him and not someone doing one letter off the name. Hard to believe! Thanks for commenting!
Sonar on a catamaran is a waste of money. This only would be helpful in anchoring or when navigating uncharted or murky waters at idle speed. If you are sailing at 10 knots and and think sonar would do you any good at all, you are in for a surprise and not the good kind lol!
Dave, enjoy your videos, would be a good to make one that gives your background and experience sailing/boating in you and the admiral’s life that’s shaping your views/opinions on the boats you’ve been reviewing. (How many miles you’ve sailed/locations/types of boats/how many nights at anchor, etc.)
Hey Kirk. Thanks for commenting! As always, you have a great point that I, with my limited experience, didn’t consider. In 5 m of water at 5kts, you would have a 40 sec warning. In 2.5m at 5kts 20 sec. It’s tight, but it might save you if you are watching. I can’t imagine doing 10 kts in 5m of water due to my limited experience. At this stage, I would be just too nervous. My thought was the circumstances you mentioned: anchoring or uncharted or murky waters. When Great Circle hit her rudder a few weeks back, I believe they were quite shallow and going slow. The light was low and they just missed seeing the coral head.
Re my sailing experience. My friend, this will be short. I sailed lasers a little as a kid, spent most of my youth driving dad’s ski boat and then bought my own 22’Four Winns. I took a week long course in the islands off the West Coast of Vancouver on a 53’ trawler and then got my RYA Competent Crew on a 38 X Yacht in Vancouver area waters. That’s all she wrote. No expert here.
Thanks again for watching and your great comments!
@@navalgazingatcampdavid Hi David, so what I believe what happened with Cat Greatcircle is that they were actually anchored and swung into the coral head as the winds changed. I may be wrong, but I do remember this same fear when we were sailing in French Polynesia. You'd have to be going so crazy slow for this to help out, I'd recommend there are much better things to spend your money on that would add safety (like a FLIR 364C) camera on the mast.
It's all good on experience, I was about the same level back in 2015 when I retired and decided this would be a hell of a fun way to spend all this new found time! My #1 suggestion would be for you and the wife to take a bare boat charter just the two of you (nobody else to help at all) for 10-14 days in someplace "easy" but still spectacular. Like the BVI's or the protected waters of Abaco. Get a small 40' cat and see how you two handle it, then do the same type of trip on a 45-50' monohull. Definitely want to do this before plunking down a couple million bucks on a boat lol!
@@kirkb3473 so given your journey, would you consider a mono-hull for the circumnavigation project or stick to a cat?
@@navalgazingatcampdavid so that’s really depends on what you and your wife like. We sailed them all and really love monohulls for the “feel” of sailing. The Oyster 565, Garcia 52, HR 50, Amel 60 were on our short list & would be awesome, but the space and speed of a cat is just such a more enjoyable Liveaboard experience. We looked at all the boats you’ve reviewed and ended up choosing a Balance 526 for reasons important to us, but any of them would have been excellent choices. You just have to get out there and spend time on board & learning what you like, even if it’s on a crappy charter boat!
@@kirkb3473 Wow!! You just read off my all time fave list! We HAVE to meet one day!
Seems like one could warm this boat up with just a little bit of added work and minimal weight. Cork floors, better upholstery, a lightweight headliner on the interior, a nice snap in carpet or other flooring. Done.
Yup. The thought has crossed my mind. D
200m at 20kts gives you 36 seconds to impact and less than 10 seconds to heave to. Without automatic autopilot integration the benefit isn't likely.
This is my understanding also. Hitting something (Cargo Container / Whale) at speed is far more worrisome that hitting a chunk of coral while put-putting in for anchor...
So, is really worth the "extra" holes in the hull(s)?
Hey David it was great meeting you at the Annapolis show! Say hello to Sylvia! Rich and Lou. r
Hey guys!!! Thanks for dropping us a note!! Great seeing you!! D
I am not sure any forward looking sonar on the market today will properly work at 20 knots. Even the Imocas are trying to find something that works. All looks good from their glossy brochure, or best to add links to practical in water tests. Until then, it's eyeballs, satellite imagery and luck.
Hi SJD. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. You have me wondering about Forward Looking Sonar now, so I will do more research and get back to you. Thanks again!!
@@navalgazingatcampdavid yeah its not for open ocean stuff its for navigating around coral heads in the shallows.
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Hey Dave great video. Just a quick question, do you have a downloadable spreadsheet of your comparisons? Thanks
Hi Raffy, Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I will be building such a consolidated tool over the next month (hopefully). I’ll let you know when it is ready. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid Thanks for getting back to me. Look forward to getting your consolidated tool. Cheers!
Thanks a lot for this review, there is ORC 52 (mostly the same but slightly shorter) running for the Route du Rhum departing this sunday. It is funny to see that in "route du rhum" there is also a kind of association between what you can sail and what you can drink 😘.
Lol! I am going to look up both the ORCs you have mentioned. Many thanks for watching and commenting!!
Would have loved to see the 2022 Lagoon 55 on this comparison but I see your master list is missing the Moon 60!
The Lagoon 55 is definitely on my hit list. Crossing my fingers that it will be in Miami. I wood also love to walk through the Moon, so stay tuned. Many thanks for watching and commenting!!
You should not compare the Outremer and ORC to the Privilege and Bali. The Privilege 580 and Bali cats are cruising catamarans that are not built for speed but rather comfort. Instead, I suggest you compare the ORC 57 to the Outremer 55, Balance 482, HH 55, Kinetic 54, and Catana 53 for a more equal comparo
Hi Gan. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Yes. I totally agree. Somewhere in the video I mentioned that concern. Having said that, for those of us who are newbies to the technical aspects of sailing, it is good to see the clear differences between a “Lead Sled” and a performance cat. I had no idea until I started this little project.
Not sure on the specs of the Kinetic or Catana but agree on the former. :)
Looking at the boats specs the Outremer 55 has a 68 m² genoa, so has an upwind sail area of 172 m² and not 152 m² if you want to compare her properly with the ORC57.
Hi Ozolli. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! I absolutely agree. The challenge is that there are many different configurations so I just stick with the base boat offering as a standard comp.
Thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts!
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@@navalgazingatcampdavid Usually people who want a light cat is to be able to sail instead of motoring in light winds. This needs as much sail area as the boat can carry so the genoa is not an option on the Outremer 55 😉
@@ozolli very good point.
I completly agree with you on the front sonar/camera, 2 years ago a marsaudon ts5 which is the former name of the orc 50, sank, in just a few minutes. The name of the boat was Hallucine and she won the ARC a few months before.
Hi JHK. That is an awful story. I can’t imagine how the owner would have felt. The thing that spooks me is that I have heard experienced sailors (I am not one) say, “It’s not, if you ground, it’s when”. I wonder how much the combination of an Oscar and Forward Sonar would reduce your chances of a grounding.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid for sure they didn't ground it seems there was an UFO (unidentified flotting object) , very sad story.
I am always interested in naval gazing 👍
Hey Michael. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!!
I also said to great circle they need a forward looking sonar. They said they wouldn't have time to adjust under sail. they rarely are going faster than 9 knots so with this unit they would have around 18 seconds to steer enough to move out of way. It would be close but it might have saved them or maybe it wouldn't have.
Hey DC. I’m very curious about both the application of forward sonar and the OSCAR camera product for avoidance of UFOs and situations like Great Circle faced. I may have to dig deeper and call up the manufacturers for a chat.
Just found your channel. Your honesty and straightforwardness in this review was a breath of fresh air. Just tell it like it is. I totally agree with you on the forward looking sonar. Blessings to you from Norway 🇳🇴
HO Frank! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! I certainly appreciate your kind words! D
Hi hope to catch up with you soon ...this one looks interesting..
Clive!!! Great to have you back! I missed your fantastic insights. Hope all is well and look forward to your thoughts.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid
Im still only able to connect occasionally but keep going and i hope to catch up.👍🏼😎🤞🏼
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 sounds good. I’m looking forward to reading your thoughts once more. I hope you will see that I have implemented all your points of advice on the production and sound. Thanks for your help.
Excellent video
Many, many thanks iPanzerschrecku!! I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment!! All the best!