Titegroup is a good powder but my favorite is CFE Pistol. Back in my IPSC and PPC days Unique and WST powered my loads but after finding CFE Pistol I have found it works in everything from 25 acp to 45 Colt with top velocity's and is very clean burning. Accurate and economical most loads hover around 6 gr. of powder, give or take, allowing over 1,000 rounds / pound in everything from 327 Federal Magnum to 45 Colt.
@@yrsued dirty yea the powder I’m using is from the 70s when it was still Hercules before it changed to Alliant And it seems to be less clean then new versions But it shoots great and honesty 6 gr and over it seems to burn cleaner maybe it’s just me.
@@Dr.Ballsonya Now, that is old powder, if it still works, that is perfect!! And now, when you can't find powder, having powder you like and you can use, you are golden!!
@@yrsued I just purchased a 4 pound keg from the eighties of red dot for fifty bucks. As long as it smells right and looks right my experience is that it will work just fine
I always go mid range and I use 4.6 grains of Titegroup with a 230 grain bullet for 45 ACP. When loading Titegroup make sure to verify your powder measure often by weighing a charge to make sure all is still good. Look into each case after throwing a charge and before seating a bullet. Titegroup can easily be double charged.
Reloading supplies are as personal as your favorite Ice Cream!! I only reload handgun and I'm currently using Vhit N320, when that is gone, I will move to Tite Group. I just have so much N320....
I bought a large amount of Longshot and it dirty as hell. CFE pistol is also dirty but not as bad. Are the cases clean after using Titegroup. I also must use it in 40cal reloading also. Thank you guys.
@@riverking4u My pleasure, I've been using Vhit since the mid 90's, but it's become cost prohibitive, TiteGroup is a nice clean all around powder that would work great for 9mm, .40 and .45.
@@yrsued Titegroup works great! Cheap, available, accurate. My current favourite is Clays for 45ACP IPSC comp loads at 175 power factor with cast bullets. My other favourite is W244, very accurate and similar to TG slightly slower. Of these three Clays is the fastest burning so lowest charge weight. All three are equally accurate in my testing. The biggest drawback for Titegroup is how hot it burns... I've had my 1911 get so hot in practice I had to put it down to cool. Competition revolver guys wont use TG cause the cylinder gets so dang hot! Clays is the most temp stable of these 3. Caveat: these powders are fast and thus ideal for target and comp loads. For the maxed out ultra hot +P tacticool kids ur definitely gonna want slower burning powders... and that is definitely not my wheelhouse... cheers!
Alliant used to go 5.0 to 5.6 grains with various bullets. With most bullits I would go 5. 4 to 5.6 grains. The exception is gold dots @ 5.0 grain. For a load that makes mil/spec use 6.4 grains Unique. In all reloading manuals and my chronographing it turn in 850 fps + or - 10. Your mileage may vary (but not much if you keep your loa around 1.60 .
@@yrsued I reload my .22 caliber NAA cap & ball pistol with this smokeless Tite Group propellant. It fires a 30 grain lead bullet at a much higher velocity than the use of black powder. I use number 11 Winchester MAGNUM percussion caps to ignite the Tite Group propellant.
@@yrsued it works good. Make sure to load the yellow colored NAA measuring cup less than half full with the TiteGroup powder. I am going to buy an extra NAA cap & ball cylinder loaded and carried in a belt holster for a fast reload. I just ordered a pocket scale from Cabelas store to measure the exact amount of smokeless TiteGroup powder.
I’m lost: I get two squib shots out of six .45 acp in my governor with moonclips. I tried Win. primers and CCI, same result. The shots barely get the .452 dia. 200gn projectile past the forcing cone, and the un-burnt 7.8 gns of SFE falls out of the cylinder behind them. Why isn’t the “propellant” igniting? Is the firing pin not hitting the primer hard enough? Factory loads work fine. Any wisdom to share?
@@yrsued Just the Governor, so far. I’m going to test a Judge…I think the Governor might be too delicate. if i try my .410 loads, it barely dimples the primer, no ignition. My Raging judge fires them just fine. Thanks!
@@johnstewart8849 That makes sense that you might have a light strike, but not why the propellant is NOT igniting!! Check your primers too!! Have you tried factory loads in it too??
@@johnstewart8849 OK, that gives you your first answer!! It's something with your reloads, we have a good starting point. It's NOT the gun, lets go from there!!
Titegroup clean??? LOL, Check the forums, my experience and most others is contrary. The only semi-clean loads are to load high pressure. Any low-med load and the whole front third of your gun will be covered in soot.
I avoid forums at all costs. I make up my own mind. Currently I have enough Vhit N320 to last me a couple years. When I shot USPSA, I started using Vhit 105 in Open, when I moved to Limited, I started using N320 for .40, then when I went to Production, I stayed with it. In USPSA we cleaned guns when they stopped running. I still do that, I ran the Gunsite 250 Class, more than 1K rounds loaded with Titegroup and I would just wipe the pistol down every night and keep shooting, never had an issue with TiteGroup then. Quick wipe with a Silicone cloth and be done with it.
Burn vs explode...?? Huh? Black powder burns very fast out in the open air but smokeless powder such as cfe burns much slower. However, if either types are contained in a casing, they both cause an explosion to propel a bullet. Neither powders detonate such as plastic explosives. They just burn. What is interesting about modern powders is that they are classified as flammable substances vs black powder is classified as an explosive. Only until you trap them in an enclosed container do they both behave the same. Modern powders are therefore progressive when ignited confined. Pressure makes them burn faster. This all makes smokeless gunpowder such as cfe much safer to transport and store. Paraphrasing the science here best I can, and of course, research yourself if you want to. Be safe 🙂
If you know more about reloading than Gary, who has worked at Dillon for almost 35 years, you might want to call Dillon, get Gary Fired and take his job!!
@@yrsued Indeed. No contest here 😂 my apologies if i sounded arrogant. I just find the science side of firearms hows an whys fascinating. Gunpowders being one of them. So many different formulas and manufacturing techniques. All powders only burn and do so at different rates but if contained in a cartridge and ignited it causes an explosion (very fast burn). This obviously we all know. Different powders burn at different rates too when put under pressure.... a very interesting deep dive on how they progress differently. With all these variations in powder and firearms designs is why us folks need to rely on the experts like you and the folks who publish reloading manuals to stay safe. Thanks Ps: see hickok's vid here at 11:00 in. ruclips.net/video/yceuluh_pJE/видео.htmlsi=GIiC2_RbG7gb6e9u
@@jtonyf4978 No worries, I take Gary's info very seriously. I guess you have never seen a round actually explode, I have never seen it, but heard and seen photos of revolvers blown up, not too much powder, but too little powder.... Science is good, before I became a Photographer, I did 2-1/2 years of a Biology degree, wasn't into it, but I do love science, I like the experimentation, not the memorizing boring stuff.
Oh wow I just realized that you are Yamil in the video! Cool! A pleasure 'hashing' this out w you! 😅🙂👍 Thanks for the great content and I totally understand and applaud you for sticking up for your collegues. RUclips can be a rough crowd esp these days. No I have never seen a gun expode but have heard of stories and seen the aftermath and injuries/scars from folks i know. Blew up w less powder...? Hmm. Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing more about that. How strange. So many variables involved and if the wrong ones go out of wack then folks get hurt. Maybe a squib load you mean then the next round slams into a stuck bullet..? I had a sqib once and the RO stopped me before i let loose another one. Had to rod and hammer out the bullet. Yikes Being safe is my #1 rule for my wife and I when were out in competition (steel challenge and uspsa 'run-n-gun') and practice as well as with reloading. For ex our used range brass inspection is a 4 stage process that eliminates even remotely questionable brass. So currently we make looooots of 9mm 147gr w 4.8gr of CFE. Have a mark 7 apex 10 with sensors on all stations but the bullet after drop. I need to do more research but i feel like compared to factory ammo cci blazer 124s fmj, my reloads w cfe make my gun more dirty. Like, alot more dirty. A friend uses titegroup and claims its cleaner. I might try it soon. Btw i am eying a sig p220 which is why i stumbled on your vid as its a 45 acp gun as im sure you are already aware. Been saving 45 acp brass too just in case. I just need dies and swap the press to large primers. Cheers 🙂
If you're going to be picky, and you can find the propellant you like, great!! I like this one, but if you want your case to be filled more, this is NOT the propellant for you, you need extruded propellant.
@@roul3688 And that is your choice of course!! I started with Winchester 231, in 1989, then went to Vhit N320 in the mid 90's. Most USPSA shooters recommended TiteGroup, they might have a reason.
@@yrsued In my experience Titegroup has a softer recoil impulse, WST is the same way. When I was shooting 45acp in competition 5gr. of WST and a 200 gr. cast wadcutter would give me over 850 fps but feel like a .22, Titegroup is similar.
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Titegroup is a good powder but my favorite is CFE Pistol. Back in my IPSC and PPC days Unique and WST powered my loads but after finding CFE Pistol I have found it works in everything from 25 acp to 45 Colt with top velocity's and is very clean burning. Accurate and economical most loads hover around 6 gr. of powder, give or take, allowing over 1,000 rounds / pound in everything from 327 Federal Magnum to 45 Colt.
Cool, never tried it, but I must look into it!!
I always have Titegroup on hand. Best .44 special powder I've ever used.
HMMM, I've used it for 9mm and .5, but never for .44 Special, I must try it!!
Yup that's what I use on all pistol reloads! 👍🇺🇲
It is very good for all around reloading
Titegroup, unique, red dot, imr target, all work well but right now I am stuck on 6.2 gr of unique for my 230 gr plated Everglades
1.250 col
I tried Unique once, it was VERY Dirty, I started on W231 in 89, moved to Vhit N320, will try Titegroup
@@yrsued dirty yea the powder I’m using is from the 70s when it was still Hercules before it changed to Alliant
And it seems to be less clean then new versions
But it shoots great and honesty 6 gr and over it seems to burn cleaner maybe it’s just me.
@@Dr.Ballsonya Now, that is old powder, if it still works, that is perfect!! And now, when you can't find powder, having powder you like and you can use, you are golden!!
@@yrsued I just purchased a 4 pound keg from the eighties of red dot for fifty bucks. As long as it smells right and looks right my experience is that it will work just fine
I use tight group and winchester 231 ball powder
I started reloading back in 1989 with W231.
I have bullseye and be-86
If it works for you.....
I am starting to reload .45 ACP for my Dad. I have 230 gr bullets and the data doesn't make sense to me for the grains that are needed.
Just use 4.4 gr of titeroup and you'll have a nice round
Anywhere from 4.4 to 4.8 gr is good. I wouldnt go above 4.8
I always go mid range and I use 4.6 grains of Titegroup with a 230 grain bullet for 45 ACP.
When loading Titegroup make sure to verify your powder measure often by weighing a charge to make sure all is still good. Look into each case after throwing a charge and before seating a bullet. Titegroup can easily be double charged.
Is there a follow up video to this?
With RUclips's new rules, I sincerely doubt it, but I think I will continue the series on our Rumble Channel, Gun Stock Reviews.
Any recommendations on COL for the Rainier 200gr plated RN in 45acp?
We don't do recommendations, use the Load data from your desired propellant manufacturer, they give you all the data you need!!
Top end stuff-I have yet to find better numbers than with IMR 800 X
Reloading supplies are as personal as your favorite Ice Cream!! I only reload handgun and I'm currently using Vhit N320, when that is gone, I will move to Tite Group. I just have so much N320....
That’s what I’ve been loading 200gr rnfp with. Cycles beautifully, hits accurately, and removes pins from the table with one hit.
Titegroup is my budget powder
800x for tyrranasaurs
I have a preference for 700X.
There you have it!! People with experience have preferences!!
I bought a large amount of Longshot and it dirty as hell. CFE pistol is also dirty but not as bad. Are the cases clean after using Titegroup. I also must use it in 40cal reloading also. Thank you guys.
Titegroup is very clean, I'm using the last of my Vhit N320 and moving to Titegroup
@@yrsued Thank you for the fast reply, I ll start using that. God Bless.
@@riverking4u My pleasure, I've been using Vhit since the mid 90's, but it's become cost prohibitive, TiteGroup is a nice clean all around powder that would work great for 9mm, .40 and .45.
It is really clean in my 1911s
Even better: Winchester 244
There's many choices, we selected this one...
@@yrsued Titegroup works great! Cheap, available, accurate. My current favourite is Clays for 45ACP IPSC comp loads at 175 power factor with cast bullets. My other favourite is W244, very accurate and similar to TG slightly slower. Of these three Clays is the fastest burning so lowest charge weight. All three are equally accurate in my testing. The biggest drawback for Titegroup is how hot it burns... I've had my 1911 get so hot in practice I had to put it down to cool. Competition revolver guys wont use TG cause the cylinder gets so dang hot! Clays is the most temp stable of these 3. Caveat: these powders are fast and thus ideal for target and comp loads. For the maxed out ultra hot +P tacticool kids ur definitely gonna want slower burning powders... and that is definitely not my wheelhouse... cheers!
@@trevorkolmatycki4042 This would be the first time using TiteGroup, most USPSA shooters here in AZ use TiteGroup. My previous load was with Vhit N320
What happened to Ranier Ballistics' bullets/business, etc...? WTH...???
Regretfully enough, they went out of business last year, They were a great company!! We will continue what we started as the Reloading Channel!!
what about bullseye.
Alliant used to go 5.0 to 5.6 grains with various bullets. With most bullits I would go 5. 4 to 5.6 grains. The exception is gold dots @ 5.0 grain. For a load that makes mil/spec use 6.4 grains Unique. In all reloading manuals and my chronographing it turn in 850 fps + or - 10. Your mileage may vary (but not much if you keep your loa around 1.60 .
3.6gr BE pushing a 180gr LSWC will get you around 700fps; super accurate and super soft shooting.
I like Tite group powder it works for me beautifully
It is a very versatile propellant!!
Thankyou
My pleasure, please stay tuned for more11
@@yrsued I reload my .22 caliber NAA cap & ball pistol with this smokeless Tite Group propellant. It fires a 30 grain lead bullet at a much higher velocity than the use of black powder. I use number 11 Winchester MAGNUM percussion caps to ignite the Tite Group propellant.
@@unitedstatesirie7431 Great, that is something I've never tried myself!!
@@yrsued it works good. Make sure to load the yellow colored NAA measuring cup less than half full with the TiteGroup powder. I am going to buy an extra NAA cap & ball cylinder loaded and carried in a belt holster for a fast reload.
I just ordered a pocket scale from Cabelas store to measure the exact amount of smokeless TiteGroup powder.
@@unitedstatesirie7431 I've never done Muzzle loading, that's what I meant to say...
I’m lost: I get two squib shots out of six .45 acp in my governor with moonclips. I tried Win. primers and CCI, same result. The shots barely get the .452 dia. 200gn projectile past the forcing cone, and the un-burnt 7.8 gns of SFE falls out of the cylinder behind them. Why isn’t the “propellant” igniting? Is the firing pin not hitting the primer hard enough? Factory loads work fine. Any wisdom to share?
You seem to have an issue that I can’t diagnose. Does this happen with all guns or just the Governor???
@@yrsued Just the Governor, so far. I’m going to test a Judge…I think the Governor might be too delicate. if i try my .410 loads, it barely dimples the primer, no ignition. My Raging judge fires them just fine. Thanks!
@@johnstewart8849 That makes sense that you might have a light strike, but not why the propellant is NOT igniting!! Check your primers too!! Have you tried factory loads in it too??
@@yrsued Factory loads work fine….45 and .410.
@@johnstewart8849 OK, that gives you your first answer!! It's something with your reloads, we have a good starting point. It's NOT the gun, lets go from there!!
Titegroup clean??? LOL, Check the forums, my experience and most others is contrary. The only semi-clean loads are to load high pressure. Any low-med load and the whole front third of your gun will be covered in soot.
I avoid forums at all costs. I make up my own mind. Currently I have enough Vhit N320 to last me a couple years. When I shot USPSA, I started using Vhit 105 in Open, when I moved to Limited, I started using N320 for .40, then when I went to Production, I stayed with it. In USPSA we cleaned guns when they stopped running. I still do that, I ran the Gunsite 250 Class, more than 1K rounds loaded with Titegroup and I would just wipe the pistol down every night and keep shooting, never had an issue with TiteGroup then. Quick wipe with a Silicone cloth and be done with it.
@@yrsued Same experience I had when I used Titegroup, cleaned every thousand rounds or so.
@@hardball107 You cleaned much more than I did when I shot USPSA
Burn vs explode...?? Huh?
Black powder burns very fast out in the open air but smokeless powder such as cfe burns much slower.
However, if either types are contained in a casing, they both cause an explosion to propel a bullet.
Neither powders detonate such as plastic explosives. They just burn.
What is interesting about modern powders is that they are classified as flammable substances vs black powder is classified as an explosive.
Only until you trap them in an enclosed container do they both behave the same.
Modern powders are therefore progressive when ignited confined. Pressure makes them burn faster.
This all makes smokeless gunpowder such as cfe much safer to transport and store.
Paraphrasing the science here best I can, and of course, research yourself if you want to.
Be safe 🙂
If you know more about reloading than Gary, who has worked at Dillon for almost 35 years, you might want to call Dillon, get Gary Fired and take his job!!
@@yrsued
Indeed. No contest here 😂 my apologies if i sounded arrogant.
I just find the science side of firearms hows an whys fascinating.
Gunpowders being one of them.
So many different formulas and manufacturing techniques.
All powders only burn and do so at different rates but if contained in a cartridge and ignited it causes an explosion (very fast burn).
This obviously we all know.
Different powders burn at different rates too when put under pressure.... a very interesting deep dive on how they progress differently.
With all these variations in powder and firearms designs is why us folks need to rely on the experts like you and the folks who publish reloading manuals to stay safe.
Thanks
Ps: see hickok's vid here at 11:00 in.
ruclips.net/video/yceuluh_pJE/видео.htmlsi=GIiC2_RbG7gb6e9u
@@jtonyf4978 No worries, I take Gary's info very seriously. I guess you have never seen a round actually explode, I have never seen it, but heard and seen photos of revolvers blown up, not too much powder, but too little powder.... Science is good, before I became a Photographer, I did 2-1/2 years of a Biology degree, wasn't into it, but I do love science, I like the experimentation, not the memorizing boring stuff.
Oh wow I just realized that you are Yamil in the video!
Cool!
A pleasure 'hashing' this out w you! 😅🙂👍
Thanks for the great content and I totally understand and applaud you for sticking up for your collegues. RUclips can be a rough crowd esp these days.
No I have never seen a gun expode but have heard of stories and seen the aftermath and injuries/scars from folks i know.
Blew up w less powder...? Hmm. Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing more about that. How strange. So many variables involved and if the wrong ones go out of wack then folks get hurt. Maybe a squib load you mean then the next round slams into a stuck bullet..? I had a sqib once and the RO stopped me before i let loose another one. Had to rod and hammer out the bullet. Yikes
Being safe is my #1 rule for my wife and I when were out in competition (steel challenge and uspsa 'run-n-gun') and practice as well as with reloading.
For ex our used range brass inspection is a 4 stage process that eliminates even remotely questionable brass.
So currently we make looooots of 9mm 147gr w 4.8gr of CFE. Have a mark 7 apex 10 with sensors on all stations but the bullet after drop.
I need to do more research but i feel like compared to factory ammo cci blazer 124s fmj, my reloads w cfe make my gun more dirty.
Like, alot more dirty.
A friend uses titegroup and claims its cleaner. I might try it soon.
Btw i am eying a sig p220 which is why i stumbled on your vid as its a 45 acp gun as im sure you are already aware.
Been saving 45 acp brass too just in case. I just need dies and swap the press to large primers.
Cheers 🙂
Meh, doesn't fill the case much
If you're going to be picky, and you can find the propellant you like, great!! I like this one, but if you want your case to be filled more, this is NOT the propellant for you, you need extruded propellant.
@@yrsued Right now, anything works. But as far as “the best” for .45, I agree with most reloading manuals that you want a powder that fills the case.
@@roul3688 And that is your choice of course!! I started with Winchester 231, in 1989, then went to Vhit N320 in the mid 90's. Most USPSA shooters recommended TiteGroup, they might have a reason.
@@yrsued In my experience Titegroup has a softer recoil impulse, WST is the same way. When I was shooting 45acp in competition 5gr. of WST and a 200 gr. cast wadcutter would give me over 850 fps but feel like a .22, Titegroup is similar.
Is this a comedy or what...?