Love my 1200. Pretty much the same as a 1300 but a little heavier and I think the 1300 can use 3" shells. 1200 is limited to 2 3/4" or at least my 1200 is 2 3/4" only.
True! I will take my license in a few months to have a weapon. Here in Brazil things are a little bit different but I will buy a 12 gauge to defend my property.
Great guns! I have an old 870 that works wet or dry or muddy, It also has functioned as a paddle, crutch, pry bar and is like the Timex of old, takes a ticking, keeps on ticking. Reliability is the greatest characteristic of a pump.
I carried a Winchester 1200 Defender in my cruiser for 24 years with the Sheriff's Office, and never felt under gunned. I always qualified 100% with it every time, and I was impressed with the very tight double ought buck pattern. The only difference I see between your 1300, and my 1200 is mine was blued, and the 1300 appears parkerized.
I like watching you ring the gong at that distance with just a bead front sight. So many people have come completely dependent on red dots and other optics. Truth is, most folks wouldn't need them if they would just practice a bit.
I have one of the 80s 1300 I bought new, actually my first new Shotgun. People either love or hate the 1300 because of the way the action releases when you fire a round, just from the recoil you're halfway into pumping the next round in. Take care all!
I remember being with my father at a gun store when he bought one of these in California. I was probably 12 or 13. When he passed away I inherited it. I'd by lying if i said it was my favorite shotgun, but I wouldn't get rid of it for the world.
Yours is a thousand times more valuable than mine. Hope you have a good gun safe for it. That's cool to still have it, along with the memory of being with your father when he bought it, especially since it's not a bad shotgun. Great fun to shoot.
@@pewpewTN I can't speak for all of us obviously but I certainly do(even though the later seasons aren't as good in my opinion). Trailer park boys is a must as well.
If I had only one shotgun it would be a Winchester 1300 Field and deer combo. One barrel for small game, fowl, and turkey with interchangeable Winchokes. And a smooth bore deer barrel with iron sights. Also the receiver comes drilled and tapped for a scope. Great home defender too. Boy! Am I lucky to have one! And it's made in USA 🇺🇸
I got a 1300 Defender from my grandpa when he passed away. Mine came equipped with a pistol grip. I shot it like that once before swapping it out for an adjustable stock. Great gun.
You would love my pops. We don't have as many guns as him, but we got guns. He always encouraged us as kids to learn how to shoot and use a gun. Same for his grandkids right now
I still have my 1300. One of the smoothest factory pumps out there...still. No modifications needed other than maybe a fiberoptic sight to replace the brass beebee
I picked up a beat up, un-loved 870 about 10 years ago at a pawn store for a song. It had scratches, gouges in the wood, you name it. Mechanics were fin. 12ga. I did zero restore on it. Cleaned it thotoughly, tested it, and made it my dedicated Turkey gun. Ordered a barrel for same purpose. If it gets rained on, dirty, scratched, I drive on. After cleaning each time, a light coat of oil on the metal areas and put it away. I also use the gun with a 28" barrel for dove hunting here in Tx. Seem to use it more than my fancier shotguns.
A model 1300 Defender has been my duty shotgun for about 30 years. You wouldn't recognize it anymore with a tac light, rifle sights, plastic furniture, side saddle, and a single point sling. But it's the same trusty old Winchester.
I was taught back in instructors school, that factory bead sights were regulated for 100 yards. No one seems to believe that but your shooting high along with my experience with slugs on the range, seem to confirm it! Pump 12s are still great.
Great vid hickok. I am also a retired LE officer and can Remember when our patrol cars were outfitted with these, having upgraded from the ole mossbergs. Not sure if either had issues as I remember both being “patrol duty reliable” but the 1300s did shoot slugs with a tighter group then the mossbergs. I remember the entire department when outfitted with the 1300s had improved accuracy scores during qualifying and recertification and the loads were the same. I believe we carried Remington slug loads 2 3/4” and some guys had the riot version which were ready to rock with 00 buck. Many fun memories. SJ
Been watching you for years, Hickok. I'm getting my FOID soon and take much delight in hearing your sincere enthusiasm and honest reviews of firearms. Thanks for showing the world that this is an honest recreation for anybody with a passion for the quality engineering and skill acquisition. Keep on.
@@CampDavid54 yes I was 23 when port Arthur happened and don’t get me started on that rubbish. Had to get rid of a few good rifles. I remember when $140 would buy you an SKS from the local gun shop and norinco ammo was plentiful and cheap as chips.
@@chadbangswitch7007 I have learned something today! It never occurred to me that slugs could be fired through chokes, I thought that was what a true-cylinder barrel was for. But it's even written on the box of Remington Slugs: 'can be fired through any choke, improved cylinder for best results.' Thanks for sparking my interest!
@@headshot6959 no worries mate. My dad calls them Brenicky slugs for some reason. It was his gun and I saw him hunt pigs with solids may times. It was his dads before him. Mine now. Will end up with my son.
Looks like summer has returned early to the Hickock compound. Guess that's why laminate trees only grow there. Love shotguns and your channel. Also, love to the gong.
Greetings from the UK, Love to see you shoot and your sense of humor, love these videos, guns very restricted in the UK so these videos really make my day : )
I have my grandfather's 1200. He got it in the 1960s and never shot it. I've shot it a few times at the berm, it's still quite stiff like it is brand new even though it is very old. Got a soft spot for old Winchesters.
I guess I need an 870? I've shot Winchester pumps since I was 13. My first pumpgun was a Winchester T120 Ranger, vent rib 28" modified choke. I DID NOT miss at 50 - 65 yards. Held two - ish inches high for 75 - 100. I have no reason to lie. I'm now 52, have owned model 12s, 1200s, and 1300s. NEVER a problem, but every gun tuber I consider experienced, says something to the effect of, "not the best built shotgun...they have issues..." Like I say, I'm 52, and still have that Ranger 120 I got for Christmas at 13. Think I'll just hang on to my first Winchester AND all its supposed issues.
This was a truly enjoyable breakfast. What could be better than a breakfast burrito made from scratch, hot coffee, and a slug fest with Hickock 45 . Life is good! 👍
I had a Winchester 1200 many years ago. Had a few problems with it. Eventually went to the ol' 870 express. A couple of them and love them. I'd like to find the 1300 in that configuration. A couple of enhancements but keep it very simple like this.
I got one of these for nothin - came through the shop missing parts, needing a lot of work. Guy gave up on it, so I adopted it. Stripped it, got new parts, fixed it up nice, and now it's like butter. Love my 1300 Defender. Just want to carve a new stock, maybe a bird's head.
Wow, those are some speedy slugs! Next, you'll be shooting snails! Maybe the slugs and the snails can race? They could see who gets to the gong faster!
First gun I ever bought was a 1200 defender. I bought it used in a gun store in 2008 for 250 bucks. I beat the hell out of it and it still runs flawlessly.
Yeeeeaaaaahhh, got my pump action. An old 500 mossberg. Yeah, used to do slugs with one hand when I young and dumb. Now not so mu, well not at all, Ouch!!! But I do love a good old slugfest.
I would love nothing more than to have some land in the grand old USA and live out the rest of my life. Some target shooting to pass the time. Looks good. I might look into it. Thanks for the vids👍
I really enjoy the slug fest videos, you can see the slug in the air all the way to the target. I can also appreciate the point of aim being off on that particular gun. Most of my guns have the same problem. If not the gun, it's always something else having a negative impact on my shooting. It's to cold, to hot, to dark, to bright, etc. Let's face it, when it comes to my accuracy on a given day, there's a multitude of variables working against me :-)
I made the mistake of putting a pistol grip and folding stock on a 1300. The stock is hard plastic. Destroys your shoulder after a while shooting the good stuff. I put the wood furniture back on it, the way it's supposed to be. Awesome shotgun.
They call it a "Roll Crimp", the rim of the case is basically lightly heated and rolled inward using friction and pressure, as to the "fold crimp" you normally see with most, but not all shot. 👋
My first gun was a single shot .410. You could grab the wood piece under the barrel and pull it off. This would allow you to open the gun and remove the barrel. I cannot remember who made this gun. This was over 40 years ago. If you or anyone reading this knows the answer I would really appreciate it. Thanks for all your videos.
Always a pleasure viewing Hickoc45 Clips. Love the Winchester 1300. I grew up with one and Basically wore it out. The Shotty is our main tool for Culling hogs on farms over here in Australia. I mainly use Semi-Auto's these days though. Keep up the great work.👍
Hickok is the personification of the wholesome side of RUclips. Since you are so much into the Civil War: Will you ever make a video about the 1859/1863 Berdan Sharps rifle?
I live in Somerset. I had an old Winchester 1200 defender I bought in 1986 when I came home from basic training and AIT. I loved that gun, it just fit! Killed plenty of rabbits and quail, missed my first buck I ever shot at, and 2 or 3 grouse. I lost it on a hunting trip, worried about my bird dog and left it in the Daniel Boone Forest. Got home and realized what I did, went back and it was gone!!!! Somebody got a wonderful weapon that day for free. Never forgiven myself for it! Determined to find me another, may have to settle for a 1300 but they are pretty much the same.
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Hickock what would you suggest to be someone first gone between a rifle handgun and shotgun?
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Love my 1200. Pretty much the same as a 1300 but a little heavier and I think the 1300 can use 3" shells. 1200 is limited to 2 3/4" or at least my 1200 is 2 3/4" only.
The 12 gauge shotgun is a very versatile tool.
True! I will take my license in a few months to have a weapon. Here in Brazil things are a little bit different but I will buy a 12 gauge to defend my property.
@@brennercorreia6318 good choice
And a pump doesn’t care if it’s a low brass bird shot or a magnum buckshot it works.
Taouflatrmaus
@@jesussaves6510 pistols are not easy to get, and impossible for most in many countries.
“More slugs, more slugs” said no shoulder ever.
Great guns! I have an old 870 that works wet or dry or muddy, It also has functioned as a paddle, crutch, pry bar and is like the Timex of old, takes a ticking, keeps on ticking. Reliability is the greatest characteristic of a pump.
I carried a Winchester 1200 Defender in my cruiser for 24 years with the Sheriff's Office, and never felt under gunned. I always qualified 100% with it every time, and I was impressed with the very tight double ought buck pattern. The only difference I see between your 1300, and my 1200 is mine was blued, and the 1300 appears parkerized.
I was in a foul mood this morning but tbis cheered me up. Thank you 45s.
I like watching you ring the gong at that distance with just a bead front sight. So many people have come completely dependent on red dots and other optics. Truth is, most folks wouldn't need them if they would just practice a bit.
One of the biggest goals in my life is to meet this awesome gentleman. I’ve been watching him for about 7 years now and it would be an honor.
My grandson met him at a local gun show about a month ago.My grandson said he was a very nice gentleman.
@@donnieyoung7231 that’s outstanding. Just love the way he provides a great environment for his viewers. Not many people are like this anymore
Absolut 😊 from germany
I have one of the 80s 1300 I bought new, actually my first new Shotgun. People either love or hate the 1300 because of the way the action releases when you fire a round, just from the recoil you're halfway into pumping the next round in.
Take care all!
I remember being with my father at a gun store when he bought one of these in California. I was probably 12 or 13.
When he passed away I inherited it. I'd by lying if i said it was my favorite shotgun, but I wouldn't get rid of it for the world.
Yours is a thousand times more valuable than mine. Hope you have a good gun safe for it. That's cool to still have it, along with the memory of being with your father when he bought it, especially since it's not a bad shotgun. Great fun to shoot.
As us Canucks say, she's a beaut bud! Thanks for making my morning more cheerful.
Do Canadians watch Letterkenny?
@@pewpewTN I can't speak for all of us obviously but I certainly do(even though the later seasons aren't as good in my opinion). Trailer park boys is a must as well.
If I had only one shotgun it would be a Winchester 1300 Field and deer combo. One barrel for small game, fowl, and turkey with interchangeable Winchokes. And a smooth bore deer barrel with iron sights. Also the receiver comes drilled and tapped for a scope. Great home defender too. Boy! Am I lucky to have one! And it's made in USA 🇺🇸
Fell in love with this gun when I first played Max Payne, as it was the main shotgun in the game. Great to see it on the range today!
I got a 1300 Defender from my grandpa when he passed away. Mine came equipped with a pistol grip. I shot it like that once before swapping it out for an adjustable stock. Great gun.
I wish i had an grandpa like him
Just so that i can get guns in Christmas n birthday as gifts
Hell, I'm a grandpa and I wish he was my grandpa!
My Grandpa reminds me of Hickok.
I guess I'm lucky.
Really cool too have a Grandpa to share a hobby with & learn from.
You’re like the Grandpa everyone wants. (No I’m not calling you old) These videos are amazing.
You would love my pops. We don't have as many guns as him, but we got guns. He always encouraged us as kids to learn how to shoot and use a gun. Same for his grandkids right now
I have a Winchester 1300 turkey gun. The one with the swappable chokes. My father bought it for me back in the 80's as a birthday present.
10 million rounds and he still gets excited. Love your show man
I still have my 1300. One of the smoothest factory pumps out there...still. No modifications needed other than maybe a fiberoptic sight to replace the brass beebee
I picked up a beat up, un-loved 870 about 10 years ago at a pawn store for a song. It had scratches, gouges in the wood, you name it. Mechanics were fin. 12ga.
I did zero restore on it. Cleaned it thotoughly, tested it, and made it my dedicated Turkey gun. Ordered a barrel for same purpose. If it gets rained on, dirty, scratched, I drive on. After cleaning each time, a light coat of oil on the metal areas and put it away.
I also use the gun with a 28" barrel for dove hunting here in Tx. Seem to use it more than my fancier shotguns.
Hello from France !
Love this shotgun, just a beauty beast 😍
Wait Arthur, isn't u american?
A model 1300 Defender has been my duty shotgun for about 30 years. You wouldn't recognize it anymore with a tac light, rifle sights, plastic furniture, side saddle, and a single point sling. But it's the same trusty old Winchester.
I was taught back in instructors school, that factory bead sights were regulated for 100 yards. No one seems to believe that but your shooting high along with my experience with slugs on the range, seem to confirm it! Pump 12s are still great.
Great vid hickok. I am also a retired LE officer and can Remember when our patrol cars were outfitted with these, having upgraded from the ole mossbergs. Not sure if either had issues as I remember both being “patrol duty reliable” but the 1300s did shoot slugs with a tighter group then the mossbergs. I remember the entire department when outfitted with the 1300s had improved accuracy scores during qualifying and recertification and the loads were the same. I believe we carried Remington slug loads 2 3/4” and some guys had the riot version which were ready to rock with 00 buck. Many fun memories.
SJ
Just the video I needed to see. I pick up a 1300 tomorrow
Oh man. I had a 1300 Ranger. I loved it.
Been watching you for years, Hickok. I'm getting my FOID soon and take much delight in hearing your sincere enthusiasm and honest reviews of firearms. Thanks for showing the world that this is an honest recreation for anybody with a passion for the quality engineering and skill acquisition. Keep on.
I love listening to y’all walk on all the casings,
Nothing better than foster type slugs to brighten your day
Great video, I miss my pump action( now unlawful In Australia ) replaced with a lever action, I cast and load my own 12 gauge slugs
Pump action are forbidden and lever action are lawfull? Hmm... that makes no sense... :\
@@tauchenindeutschland4799 Gun laws in Australia Have nothing to do with Making sense and never have it is all about disarming the population
"I would never enter a marksman contest with this..." *proceeds to hit literally everything he's aiming for*
Making a living shooting rifles shotguns pistols machine guns etc. poor guy must hate his job.😂😂😂
He is the Bob Ross of firearms
Did not know that Ballistol was a thing in the states! Thats the old german multipurpose oil my great grandfather already used almost a century ago!
You handle the 1300 very well!
G’day from Australia. Gotta love that healthy shoulder thump from solid rounds through a long barrel shotgun. Love my old Webley with 3/4 choke.
By solid rounds do you mean slugs? You don't shoot slugs through a 3/4 choke, do you?
@@headshot6959 yes mate I do
@@CampDavid54 yes I was 23 when port Arthur happened and don’t get me started on that rubbish. Had to get rid of a few good rifles. I remember when $140 would buy you an SKS from the local gun shop and norinco ammo was plentiful and cheap as chips.
@@chadbangswitch7007 I have learned something today! It never occurred to me that slugs could be fired through chokes, I thought that was what a true-cylinder barrel was for. But it's even written on the box of Remington Slugs: 'can be fired through any choke, improved cylinder for best results.' Thanks for sparking my interest!
@@headshot6959 no worries mate. My dad calls them Brenicky slugs for some reason. It was his gun and I saw him hunt pigs with solids may times. It was his dads before him. Mine now. Will end up with my son.
Awesome video. My father gave me a 1300 last year for Christmas. Its just the standard model not the defender. But I still love it.
"The best defense is the attack"
-Sun Hickok45
Watching the slugs fly down range and hit the gong was fun!
Great shotgun I own one now the same one I've had bought it when I was in the Marine Corps I also have a Remington 11-87 that is my favorite Auto
Looks like summer has returned early to the Hickock compound. Guess that's why laminate trees only grow there. Love shotguns and your channel. Also, love to the gong.
Greetings from the UK, Love to see you shoot and your sense of humor, love these videos, guns very restricted in the UK so these videos really make my day : )
Once upon a time I had a Winchester 1300. They were nice guns
I have my grandfather's 1200. He got it in the 1960s and never shot it. I've shot it a few times at the berm, it's still quite stiff like it is brand new even though it is very old. Got a soft spot for old Winchesters.
Buenos días, tengo la suerte de tener una...saludos desde entre Ríos..Argentina
I guess I need an 870? I've shot Winchester pumps since I was 13. My first pumpgun was a Winchester T120 Ranger, vent rib 28" modified choke. I DID NOT miss at 50 - 65 yards. Held two - ish inches high for 75 - 100. I have no reason to lie. I'm now 52, have owned model 12s, 1200s, and 1300s. NEVER a problem, but every gun tuber I consider experienced, says something to the effect of, "not the best built shotgun...they have issues..." Like I say, I'm 52, and still have that Ranger 120 I got for Christmas at 13. Think I'll just hang on to my first Winchester AND all its supposed issues.
This was a truly enjoyable breakfast. What could be better than a breakfast burrito made from scratch, hot coffee, and a slug fest with Hickock 45 . Life is good! 👍
I had a Winchester 1200 many years ago. Had a few problems with it. Eventually went to the ol' 870 express. A couple of them and love them. I'd like to find the 1300 in that configuration. A couple of enhancements but keep it very simple like this.
Also known as the Speed Pump! Great Shotgun!
Hello from Maryland and thanks for another great video
Look at that sunshine and leaves on the trees. Reminds me how much winter sucks.
Love your slug fest stuff. I have a Mossberg 500 with three barrels, it covers most bases.
I got one of these for nothin - came through the shop missing parts, needing a lot of work. Guy gave up on it, so I adopted it. Stripped it, got new parts, fixed it up nice, and now it's like butter. Love my 1300 Defender. Just want to carve a new stock, maybe a bird's head.
I have a 1300 Turkey Special. Slings slugs like a beast!
The Ithaca Feather light Md 37 I had Loaded from beneath an dejected from beneath. Neat setup.
My dad brought me up on the 870 Express in various gauges and that was my first pump action love and will probably always be at the top of my list 😂
Once again you have proved that the 12 gauge slug is the best for Home Defense, esp. agin 2 liters.
Wow, those are some speedy slugs! Next, you'll be shooting snails! Maybe the slugs and the snails can race? They could see who gets to the gong faster!
with only a Bead sight. no rifle sights. Not too shabby!
Hello from SD, I have that same model and I LOVE it !!!!!!!!!!
These videos make my day do much better:)
My first new shot gun, still works great. Purchased in mid 80's.
Awesome! This is perfect I just put a 2200 up for sale in Alberta (same thing as the 1200 but Canadian checkering on stock)
That air tech limpsaver is a shoulder saver really changes the way a shotgun shoots
I think this is the first time I've seen Hickok45 do a trick shot. (Shooting the 2-liter and the pin in the same shot).
First gun I ever bought was a 1200 defender. I bought it used in a gun store in 2008 for 250 bucks. I beat the hell out of it and it still runs flawlessly.
One of the top 3 shot guns kids got for deer hunting. This was my first shot gun.
Yeeeeaaaaahhh, got my pump action. An old 500 mossberg. Yeah, used to do slugs with one hand when I young and dumb. Now not so mu, well not at all, Ouch!!! But I do love a good old slugfest.
My pump is the Remington 870. That 1300 looks like a good one!
I would love nothing more than to have some land in the grand old USA and live out the rest of my life. Some target shooting to pass the time. Looks good. I might look into it. Thanks for the vids👍
If you have never fired a 12GA slug, I highly recommend NOT doing what the Legend @Hickok45 just did! 34 slugs in around 10 minutes, what a guy!! Lol
John: - That's a good gun for da fence.
LMAO
I love seeing that shot at the gong! You can see the lead hitting it.
My favorite shotgun, I've had several
Hickok45 has more shotgun slugs on his table than every local gun shop in my area.
I really enjoy the slug fest videos, you can see the slug in the air all the way to the target. I can also appreciate the point of aim being off on that particular gun. Most of my guns have the same problem. If not the gun, it's always something else having a negative impact on my shooting. It's to cold, to hot, to dark, to bright, etc. Let's face it, when it comes to my accuracy on a given day, there's a multitude of variables working against me :-)
Liked for the two liter bowling pin shot!
I made the mistake of putting a pistol grip and folding stock on a 1300. The stock is hard plastic. Destroys your shoulder after a while shooting the good stuff. I put the wood furniture back on it, the way it's supposed to be. Awesome shotgun.
Love the Winchester Defender !
1:25 Thanks for the close up, I didn't know how shotgun slugs
looked, I didn't know they were wrapped.
They call it a "Roll Crimp", the rim of the case is basically lightly heated and rolled inward using friction and pressure, as to the "fold crimp" you normally see with most, but not all shot. 👋
@@JamesS.254 Cool, thanks..
I love my Win. Model 120, the 1300s precursor.
The years have been kind to you hickok. It look like you never changed over what 10 years I think.
Actually, about 14 years now.
That's a long time, keep going man your a very good youtuber
My favorite targets for 12 gauge slugs is a old clothes washer/dryer. Looks like a hole saw was used on it.
My first gun was a single shot .410.
You could grab the wood piece under the barrel and pull it off.
This would allow you to open the gun and remove the barrel.
I cannot remember who made this gun. This was over 40 years ago.
If you or anyone reading this knows the answer I would really appreciate it.
Thanks for all your videos.
9:37 You can actually see the slug in the air before and as it hits the gong! WOW!
Always a pleasure viewing Hickoc45 Clips. Love the Winchester 1300. I grew up with one and Basically wore it out.
The Shotty is our main tool for Culling hogs on farms over here in Australia. I mainly use Semi-Auto's these days though.
Keep up the great work.👍
looks a lot better than the ones all loaded up with tactical junk on them and the wood is old school cool ....
My favourite pump action is Winchester 1300
Hickok is the personification of the wholesome side of RUclips.
Since you are so much into the Civil War: Will you ever make a video about the 1859/1863 Berdan Sharps rifle?
Just love shotguns.
My 1300 holds 12 mini mags and cycles flawlessly.
I live in Somerset. I had an old Winchester 1200 defender I bought in 1986 when I came home from basic training and AIT. I loved that gun, it just fit! Killed plenty of rabbits and quail, missed my first buck I ever shot at, and 2 or 3 grouse. I lost it on a hunting trip, worried about my bird dog and left it in the Daniel Boone Forest. Got home and realized what I did, went back and it was gone!!!!
Somebody got a wonderful weapon that day for free. Never forgiven myself for it!
Determined to find me another, may have to settle for a 1300 but they are pretty much the same.
Got one of these in the gun safe. Very satisfying.
Sweet piece
Finally 1 that I own...but in 20 gauge
Hickok45 when things get bad I want to be on your team. You do the shooting and illl, illl hand you ammo!
SLUGFEST! That is the way to start the new year! GONGING!
Let’s smoke some pot: hello from Knoxville TN
@@joshuagibson2520 taking cubensis mushrooms in Dover, TN as we speak
@@joshuagibson2520 Morgan co Alabama here heh
I Love those True Ball slugs. Its what I use to check my zero @50 yards before shooting a video on the Taofledermaus channel 👍🏻. 🇺🇸😎
12:24 Haaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah I'm wheezing over here!!!
9:00 I love how you can see the slug and almost a track it has it hits the buffalo