Stack-On Gun Safe Pry Test Open In Minutes
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I'm going to buy that safe now. It took him all day to open it.
😂😂😂
Not to say it's impossible but, I think you would have a hell of a time if this safe was mounted against a wall. Left side and back side of the safe against the wall. Then you would have no leverage to pry from. So my suggestion is if you are on a budget and only can buy this style safe, Mount it in the far left corner. bolt it to the floor and wall.
+MATT BURGESS Thanks for pointing that out. I really don't have the budget for an expensive safe, so I am going to do as you suggest.
+sweetconti I have an even cheaper Stack-On locking gun cabinet. Its hard to explain, but I have it bolted to the floor in the closet. Then I have a "shelf" that takes up the entire closet front to back and side to side, which is bolted to the top. Then I have a vertical 2x4 positioned in front of the door jam, which is connected to the top shelf and the floor. The 2x4 still allows the door to open but it will prevent anyone from getting a good angle to pry it open.
I had a break in a few months ago. I didn't even have a safe, I had a HON vertical file cabinet secured to the floor, with a home made bar down the middle with locks on each end, and it covered the drawer lock. They grabbed lose things like a couple of tablets and the TV.....didn't look like they even touched the file cabinet. All guns were still in the cabinet. Most meth heads are looking for a quick smash and grab....not spending time on something they are not sure they can get into.
"Helluva time" is probably an exaggeration, but it would have taken longer for sure.
I'd personally INVEST in a better safe, bolt it down, and not worry about it.
Wayne is correct about the safe being low end. If I had $2000 I would buy a high end safe and be very happy with my investment. However, I can only afford the $300 safe so that's what I have and I feel very good about it. I've been in law enforcement for 8 years and have taken a lot of burglary reports. I've never seen anyone even try to force open a safe in this city. They kick your door, rampage through the house checking the usual hiding spots and get out quickly. When they come across a safe (even a Stack-on) that is bolted down they spin the dial with a sad look on their face and leave with whatever wasn't locked up. Buy whatever safe you can afford. I don't mean to take away from what Wayne is saying because he is correct. I'm just saying any safe is better than no safe.
+Trevor Simmons All Good Points. Liberty Entry Levle safe start at about $449.00 Just FYI and are far superior to others on the market.
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Thanks Wayne I'll check those out.
+Trevor Simmons Way better product and Made int the USA!
Thanks Wayne for the vid, you also showed that that Stack-On put up a good fight than a cabinet would have. Placement is important.
Trevor, Thanks for your insight from your experience. Thinking about it, if a burglar came prepared to successfully break the safe then it must be an inside job and no safe is safe.
Note a security system is just that a system of other layers such as alarms too. 3 layers,1 locked door, 2 some sort of alarm, 3 a safe. Options: hiding the safe, possible surveillance, and or a giant hanging pendulum medieval AXE that will swing once safe is compromised or Egyptian sand from a pharaoh's tomb that will fill the room trapping the burglar till police arrived. See simple...
Trevor Simmons I'll second that.
The point of this video baffles me. So given plenty of time (no police on the way) and with 100 pounds of tools a $200 gun safe can be defeated? Spoiler alert....I can 'unlock' your house with a rock. No tutorial required.
Well there are safes that can't be pryed open for similar price point. Choice is yours. Be protected or dont.
@@waynewinton Which are they? 😊
I know this is an old video but would have been faster to just cut it open. Sadly almost all safes now days can be cut open in just a few minutes. No point in attacking the door when the rest off the body is made of such thin metal
That's all well and good, but this assumes a lot of things...
1. That the robbers know you have a gun safe and come prepared. Most robbers want to be in and out, looking for guns in nightstands and the like. Most home robbers don't even bring pry bars.
2. That no one is going to hear all that racket and come and investigate.
3. That you don't have a house alarm or some other secondary means of security besides a safe. Security should be like an onion, with multiple layers. I wouldn't rely on any one thing.
Well yes I completely agree with you on most things. 1 is mutipule layers of security. Home alarm system, quality locks on the entry doors, security film on glass and a quality safe maby even a big dog. If you have all this you will deture and defend 90% of the criminals out there.
SuaveGunman You're right that they probably won't bring those tools, but they can probably find them in most of the homes that they break into.
binyamj yup you are right... And in my house i have the equipement to cut open a 5000$ safe... So that proves only 1 thing... Those safes are only good to keep innocent souls away from your guns... Real burglars will find a way in pretty much any safe lol
+SuaveGunman Anyone breaking into a house will bring a crowbar... unless it's just a crackhead hoping to get a TV or something. Break-ins usually happen during the day because there's more people at work/school. At night people are most likely to be home. So the sound of banging metal could be confused for construction.
+binyamj I don't have those tools.
I get it. Given time, effort, tools and enough work space you can get into this safe. What would really impress me is if you can actually have one installed in a walk in closet like most safes are installed in. With all the actually items that you would also find in a walk in closet and in the cramped conditions in a walk in closet. Use the same tools in the video and see if you can get into the safe in 5 to 10 mins. Now that would be impressive. Lets see a videos like that. Because in the real world. People, well most people wouldn't install any safe in the middle of a garage with several grades of Prybars and hand sledges at the ready.
The common thief will not go through this much effort to break into a safe. They'll grab what they can and get out as fast as they can.
not if its the gun there going for lol
You know for the money it's a lot of security. The biggest thing is keeping the youngsters out.
Wow, I'm impressed how difficult this cabinet was to pop open. I've seen so-called safes opened in less than 30 seconds with pry bars.
Looks like installing it against a corner to negate the pry bar attack would help.
exactly
My primary reason for purchasing this "lockable container" was not about bad that guys would break in, I have a good home alarm system for that. My concern was keeping my grand kids away from what was inside. Your demo proved that the container will do that, thanks.
Dam, that's too much work man!
The headline said "minutes", this dam video is on fast forward, so it actually took hours lol
I've bolted one of this flimsy safe down in a tiny closet, there's no way anyone would've have a room to use a crowbar.
Lol this held up way better than expected
Great video ,... I own a stack on cabinet and I like it ,.. Mine is bolted to the studs and in a tight closet ,.. Yes it can be broken into but it will be a great fight to get in it the way I have it set up ... Thanks for the video .
That's a long time when the alarm is going off
a guy with this safe and a house alarm you are busted by the cops!!!
That safe is in the open with access at all angles. Put it in a closet and bolt to the floor and walls and the pry bar guy will take days to get into it. Dont let this stop you from buying this or other gun cabinets and safes.
all safes can be broken into in one way or another. I notice you had unlimited room to pry and so safe placement would a key issue as much as the safe itself
+The Joe Proffitt Channel Its muchmor realistic compaired to all the other videos that tip the safe over and have 2 or 3 guys prying down with unlimited room.
If the whole point of your video is that you can break into the safe/cabinet "in minutes," then for crying out loud, do not speed up the video. [face-palm]
Great for when you lose the key.
you do have a valid point about the safe or perhaps a better term locker about being cheap. The main reason people steal things is because they are to lazy and aren't willing to work for their own. You out quite a bit of man handling into breaking into that safe. why would a thief put the same amount of effort
Bolt it into the corner of a closet, facing in such a way as to minimize the working space around the safe. Made it so the "latch" side is on the inside, close to the back wall.
Or..... Buy A BETTER SAFE and quit supporting this cheap crap!
I've watched about a dozen pry open safe videos in the last couple of days. Yours is the first video Ive seen with the safe bolted to the floor with one guy, not two with the safe flipped on it's back, breaking into it. ( like you said ). My $500 gun safe scares the hell out of me. I really had no idea how easy they were to pry open. On a positive note, I am in the process of investing in a $3400 American made gun safe, which will be mine at the end of the week. I had to develop a mindset that says I'm not buying safe, I'm "investing" in the security of my prized possessions.
Great to here!
Agree! Also safes could be resold with little to no discount of what you've payed for good used safe. They are not computers that loose value every day.
Just floor mount your safe properly in the corner of a room and you make it nearly impossible to use simple prying methods to get into the safe. Of course there's better safes out there..but lots of inexpensive safes can be made a LOT harder to get into than this guy makes it look if the safe is in the corner of the room and floor mounted which takes away a lot of room for leverage with prying. This video isnt a great example, if anything it shows how you shouldnt place this kind of safe in the middle of the room to provide great leverage with. Put this safe into a corner and watch it take a LOT more work and/or time to pry it open.
Perfect build for storing my super soaker...
That's certainly one hell of a way to troll a burglar.
5x speed. So it took him 5 mins. Plus a lot of racket.
Also it would be unpry-able if mounted against a wall.
I'm buying this safe.
Fantastic Video Again Wayne. It is just unreal how Unsafe Safes are. Cheap ones at least...! Keep up the great work. Nick.
With a airbag actuator, some oven cleaner, and some aluminum filings, you can build something that will make them lose interest instantly.
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l understand that this is a cheap safe. It took a substantial amount of force to open it. If you anchor this correctly and not place it somewhere say in a basement or corner of a room. It's definitely made for someone with only a few guns, and some important items. It will definitely keep the kids out. If someone wants something bad enough in your home they will get it or get into it. Normal hands without the tools. This safe will work for me. Thanks for the video.
A thief would get one heck of a sucker punch causing all that ruckus in my bedroom lol
If you are going to make that much noise you might as well just get a die grinder and take the hinges off in about 1 minute or cut a hole in the side.
House alarm go's off as soon as you walk in, so by the time you are half way through this, the cops are there to help you out the door empty handed. Put a few dollars into home security with cameras and alarms and you can use a less expensive safe/cabinet.
I have a stack on safe bolted to the floor and surrounded by 3 walls, a security system with cameras, a dog, a 5 min or less from police response time(they ain't that busy). So if all that don't deter the thief, only a pro who is a magician can have time to take all my shit. I'll take the cheap safe.
I just gave my buddy an old Stack-On gun cabinet I had. He will be keeping a Remington 870 and a marlin 22 rifle in it. I told him to bolt it onto studs in his closet, because a gun locker that isn't bolted down is nothing more than a convenient carrying container!
I also told him NOT to bolt it to the floor in the middle of his garage!
I know you are trying to show that the safe is weak, and it may not be the 1000 lb Ft Knox one, but if it was mounted to the wall all the way to the left of a closet and bolted down to the floor (with a security alarm blasting away the entire time), I like my chances with this safe. Plenty of time for the cops to come....even in my neighborhood.
Locks are for honest people
Thieves don't use crow bars, or at least not the smart ones. Thieves will use grinders, which cut through that like butter.
Being making a lot of noise was not an issue I was reading how thieves are using electric powered abrasive wheel cutters. You cleanly cut a hole in the side and have access to everything. Any safe I guess can be breached with the right tools. A lot of safes are put in the garage/shop and their may be a cutting torch there too. My father always told me the best defense is to not let everyone know what and where you have it. Just say'n........................... Great video BTW and appreciate your effort to show how it's done. Great job.
Im about to install the cheaper one in between walls / between studs. The wall is covered with wall covering - wallpaper. Also no one is going to know about this one even tho Im tempted to show off
This is why you buy a safe. It takes all day to open it.
If somebody comes in and steals my guns, I have homeowners insurance, NRA insurance and USCCA insurance. I'll just file a police report and replace them.
Also, most of the time somebody is at home, so it's unlikely this theft would go unnoticed. It's very rare that somebody isn't in the house.
Thag was pretty good information. I now have a good idea of what it takes to get into a lower end safe so I can make my plans accordingly. Its not like I could afford to buy a safe just to break it as an experiment. As far as I'm concerned you just saved me some cash. Thanks
Jokes on him what if there's a angry gorilla in there its called a security gorilla
A lot of good comments. A layered defense is key. A loud audible alarm, a loud yappy dog, and a well concealed safe are critical. If you can bury the safe into a wall with little access to the sides you take away the ability to pry. Did I mention that two vicious under fed german shepherd who do not bark would be helpful when the crack head bypasses the yappy dog.
You would be surprised on how much effort a thief will use in order to get potential firearms if it's possible. pistols and rifles equal money (cha-ching), trust me on this, if they see a gun safe, they will try and if they notice that they can potentially break into it with what they have, they will try their hardest to get into that sucker.
For a cheaper gun safe that is small enough to fit in a closet but still holds a few rifles and some pistols along with ammunition, it's best to put it in the closet, bolt that sucker in that way they don't have enough arm space or leverage to pry open that door.
I have a stack-on 69 gun safe in the house bolted to the floor and the wall , an 85lbs German Shepard, an alarm system and 7 cameras inside and out including one above the safe.... point is do t just have a safe as the only means of security
Agree stack on gun safes very cheaply made thank you for the video. picked up a storage unit with a one of these safes in it took me and another buddy less then 5 minutes to open it using the same tools
Well there you go.
Looks pretty hard for the average thief to break into in the middle of a garage, let alone if installed in the home how it should be. A burglar would first have to find the safe, have the tools, have prying access to the left side, and then pry it open. All that is easily at least 5 minutes, more if installed with no pry access on the left. In my house they would have to do all this with the house alarm blaring and the police notified and on their way. You succeeded in convincing me to buy one.
Long enough for the cops and home owner to be there.
Its easy to break into a safe but you still gotta steal it. I bolted mine in the closet so you cant take it and theres no room to do all of that to break it open. If your going to have guns make sure you also have an alarm system and cameras.
layers of security that's the way to go. Don't rely on one form of security.
I sincerely thank you for taking your time and energy in showing us how weak this safes our.
All right Wayne. Got an idea for some other videos. Let's assume someone already bought this safe. Your the expert. Show us where the best place is to bolt it in. Interior or exterior wall? Studs or concrete? Can I improve this safe with some steel and a mig welder? How? Waiting for your cheap safe improvement video series. Thanks.
It's "you're", you uneducated fuck!
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This video actually makes me want one now. That's a lot of security for $200.
The sun will go supernova and consume the Earth only minutes from now! So many minutes.
Clown
I think what Wayne is trying to show is that a determined thief can get it open pretty fast. 5-6 minutes isn't much to a determined thief. A drug addict looking for a quick grab+no tools wouldn't be able to get in though. Most important thing...don't brag to everyone you know that you just got/have an expensive gun/rifle/collection. Less people knowing=fewer potential thieves. Thanks for the great video.
B Striker Thats it. you got it. I would like to see the industry as a whole make a better product. Liberty and Fort Knox Safe doors cannot be pryed open. You would rip the safe in 1/2 first. $300.00 + should provide more than 5 minutes of protection.
I live in an apt complex, hopefully my neighbors would have the good sense to call the cops if they heard this kinda racket while I was at work. I sure as hell would investigate if I heard this going on. This should fit my needs until I buy a house and get a really nice gun safe
Great video that really show how ineffective these mass produced lock boxes are. However I think they serve their purpose for a lot of people on a budget. They do provide some security, even if it's minimal.
I personly think a safe is a target. Criminals know the good stuff is...... in the safe. You would be better off hiding it in a crawl space or attic. Even a construction job box would be better in my opnion. Safe = target. Cheep safe = easy target.
This will work fine against most robbers, especially if you have smash resistant home security systems.
Not a bad safe especially if installed in an area where you can’t access it that well.
Why would you spend 300 bucks on a safe just to ruin it? Wish I had money like that.
Just scary what can pass for "approved" goods!
Yes minutes, I estimate like 720 minutes.
Hey Wayne Winton, Loved the video! While watching your video, I couldn't help but notice some of the extreme angles you had to go to using those tools to pry that safe open. What if you were to put that safe somewhere where the use of those angles were not available? That would make it extremely difficult and time consuming to break in to I would think. Something to think about for your next video perhaps.
Great vid, just a thought though. You mentioned that a Lot of guys in vids too the safe and you could to think of a scenario where there would be room for that. I noticed when you where prying the safe you stood behind it. In most cases where a safe is bolted down, you wouldn't be able to stand behind it like that do to a wall in the way. So you wouldn't be a me to et that kind of leverage you got. Not saying that would change the outcome of this video, but it'd probably take longer.
Maybe but then I could just use the larger hook side of the crow bar to gain leverage from the front.
Iv watched idk how many of these videos and there all setting in open areas .If you mount it in the corner with the door side that opens against the wall and use good mounting hardware so that it’s solidly mounted. The pry bar has no way of getting leverage except on the top .
what if you accidentally lock your pry tools in the safe?
I'm getting one of these to hold my pry tools so they can't be used on my real safe
If I was a safe crook, I would use a metal saw and go through the side.
Looks like a lot of work. Robbing a bank seems easier.
I l ive in a mostly black urban neighborhood, so I don't have as much to worry about, as far as thieves trying to break my firearms safe. If I lived in Baltimore, Harford, or Anne Arundel Counties, then this would be a greater concern.
Wayne, I know it took you longer than 59 seconds as you sped up the video. Would like to know how long did it actually take to pry it open if you recall thanks.
under 5 minutes
Wayne Winton Thanks Wayne short work of it for sure. Enjoy watching your videos as always.
Thanks!
So bolted against a wall so you can’t leverage and it will be a real pain
i just bought a 8 gun security gun cabinet recently.pretty good video. however, i doubt a burglar would bring those such tools with them while burglarizing ur home & if they do then it was probably a premeditated attack and they knew you had a safe with guns so they know you, or you have told someone who has told someone whom doesnt care about you because most burglars go for tvs, game or stereo systems, or jewelry and cash & if they bring such tools then they specifically are going for that safe
James Wiley Well there are safes that the door can be pryed open and safes that they can't. I would like to eliminate that from the options of the crooks.
One man, five min. and A hell of a lot of noise! You get what you pay for, but if you are home its gonna be heard.
My home alarm would have been sounding the whole time this is going on😂 also he would be on video😂then my booby trap would finish him off😎
These are good to keep the kids out. Not for high security
correct
The point of a gun safe (or any locked cabinet) is to act as a simple deterrent (i.e., avoid crimes of opportunity) and to prevent children from accessing firearms and amo. These safes are perfectly fine. If you want to a safe that is burglar proof....good luck.
It would have been easier to just shoulder check it and then carry it away
If I guy was to buy a cheap safe as this one, could he reinforce the side with a full length of 3/8 " angle welded to the inside, and also do the same with the door ?
I liked your video, some good information.
I suppose that would help
+Joseph M Could also put it in a very very tight room. Just enough to open the door. Loose most of your leverage.
I'm actually in the market for a safe right now. Thanks for posting the video.
I think this type of safe is more for the smash and grab scenario and keeping out of the hands of children. If someone wants your safe, they'll come prepared.
Just don't buy anything at a big box store. Go to a safe professional.
Will do.
ha I don't think any thieves are gonna spend a few mins there attacking a safe making all that noise.
really cool demonstration. How fast was the video sped up? what was the total elapsed time from start to finish?
mount it against a wall on the left hand side and he wouldn't have room to pry. Decent safe
You got in but it was a pain and it took a little time..My safe is measures above that one and still only cost 700 bucks so I now feel pretty good about.lol...The safe dealer that I went to just tried and tried to scare me into something that I did not need...My safe is 551 pounds with twelve bots. In all honesty, the bolts are most for looks but the more the better..My safe is backed up to a wall between 2 Heavy workbenches with almost no room to move the door past 90 degrees, much less start prying..Its also bolted to the concrete foundation with 4 big ass bolts so it's not going to the ground easily..To top it all off, It's being watched anytime I am not home with a state of the art monitored alarm with a cell link to the police department. The average response time in my area is 3:00 min so Any crook dumb enough to keep trying to get in is busted for sure..
I say all this because I'm feeling better after seeing this video..Although my safe is vastly superior to the very thin stack on in this video, it's still a RSC(that's a name used by safe salesmen to let you know yours sucks) I know you intent was to show how bad they were but I think everyone's situation is different and for some, I think you showed that this little cab did all right...That model by the way is like 120.00 at Walmart and I hate to say it but propible with every penny..lol..
Idk...granted, it took you roughly 6 minutes from the time you started prying until the door was open but it did appear to be quite a workout, more than I think an average burglar would put in. Burglars are usually into what they can grab quickly and get out before the cops show up or someone sees them, if you add in things like a home alarm system, a dog that does not like unwelcome visitors...I just have my doubts they would put that much effort into trying to break into a gun safe that they might not succeed at as opposed to grabbing things in the open quickly and getting out of there
Man I need a nap after watching that
I'm impressed on how fast he's working LOL. That might really be how fast a crack head would be!
Ha ha tgx
Looks good to me simple fix people bolt your safe in the closet with sides against the two walls this makes it impossible to even get a prybar between the door and the frame of the safe. Problem solved ps bolt it to the wall and floor tipping makes any safe easy to get into or cut open. Most robbers are snatch and grab not a let's stay and get caught while trying to break open a safe they dont know is even full of stuff or not.
Not for nothing but with a good alarm system and video cameras, I'm not sure you would get far. Your thoughts...
A grinder with a cutoff wheel would have opened the safe in 5 min or less. Its only 14 ga or less .
Can't help but cringe watching demo right next to the high pressure tank (acetylene maybe?). LOL Good vid. Thanks.
Thanks for the video. The type of area you live in I think would weigh in on the security level you should choose. Im a 12 year veteran officer and have responded to hundreds of home break ins. I have NEVER investigated a RESIDENTIAL break in where a safe was broken into. The majority of the cases in my area, the offender gets in and out as quickly as possible, even leaving several valuables behind. Most of the suspects are either kids or crack heads just trying to get something easy to sell for their next fix. Im sure though in other areas you can find more "professional" criminals that can open your lesser quality safes in a minimum amount of time.
Thanks for the input!
I think someone would have heard the noise and shot the perp in this amount of time. You really have to work at it.
If you bolt it in the corner of a room, you cannot get the leverage you show. To bad they are not fire safe. I will spend the few extra dollars on a better safe. Good video!!
Stack-On makes these in a fire resistant model.
Guys I have a question,
My house is leveled off the ground. I've always wanted a Liberty Safe, but due to the weight, I fear one day with too much weight, it'll just break the floor. I was looking into this cabinet due to how little it weights, but I don't want to spend money on something that won't provide me with security. Is there any light weight safes you'd recommend me? Thanks.
Ne'huatl Chango You could always build a reforcment area where you plan on putting the safe. Something as simple as 2x4s to spraed the weight over a wider area should be adiquite.
A burglar
is not going to bring a garage full of tools into my house, also he does not know where my safe is and he will have to get through the door the safe if behind, for the money its a great safe
Good video, now try this with a Stack on 28 gun total defense and see what happens.
you would have been caught along time ago lol
I actually like a lot of Stack On products. They are cheap products designed for minimum security applications. I have a few that I store things like ammo and office supplies in. What it comes down to is that the buyer must understand that the large majority of "gun safes" (like this Stack On) are cosmetically enhanced products designed to mimic the appearance of a security safe, but they do not provide anywhere near the fire protection or the burglary protection of a real safe.
This safe, and many like it, provide minimal-to-no security from a breech attempt. A concentrated penetration attack on that safe would almost surely occur on one of the sides where the armor will be weakest. While a fire axe would defeat the safe in a couple minutes, a standard cordless cutting tool could saw that safe open in 30 seconds or less.
The bottom line is that if someone has higher value items or they want a product that will actually make it difficult for a criminal to gain entry, they need to buy a true security safe and not a "gun safe".
Your first paragraph sends it up only use that it a whole lot nicer than I would there not many King gun safes there falsely advertising to be done Safes. the consumer needs to demand more of their security products and higher standards. if it is a gun safe call it a gun Safe, if its a cabinet call it a cabinet.
Wayne Winton It is probably never going to happen. Part of the reason is consumers are getting cheaper and another part is that this demand for cheap safes has resulted in an explosion of foreign junk, creating a ripple effect with domestic makers. We are leaving the days of "buy it nice, but it once, enjoy it forever" to "bare bones pricing over everything else". The high price of steel and the high cost of shipping has made true safes pricier, and the refusal of buyers to purchase nicer products has set the stage for the so called "gun safes" (AKA "false security safes".)
That Stack On is a couple hundred bucks new and that is the performance a couple hundred bucks gets and that is what consumers should expect of a product of this tier. The issue with Stack On products and other economy gun safe lines as such is when consumers purchase these with expectations that far exceeds the physical abilities of the safe, and they rely on these safes to protect contents that should be stored in a higher security safe. That sets the stage for a losing outcome.
With the deceptive advertising practices safe makers use, this can make it difficult for the consumer to identify the differences and determine what product best suits their needs. A speciality safe store that carries a wide range of products usually is the best place to make such a determination. I agree with you the advertising is not right and we do deserve better, but I am not sure how we can really change that?