Ulysses Episode 2 Nestor
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2017
- Episode 2 in our "Reading Ulysses for Fun" series. There are a few great quotes from Stephen in this episode.
For fun, I'd like your thoughts on what Stephen meant by saying that "God is a shout in the street". What does that mean to you? Please leave your comments below about that famous quote. I'd love to know what it means to you! Thank you for watching.
Hi Chris! First of all thanks for the video. I particularly enjoyed your list of themes. Now, as for the definition of God, I believe the sentence God is "a shout in the street" can be interpreted in many ways:
You have no idea sir how much of a help your videos has been to us first time reader of Ulysses. I cannot thank you enough.
I’ve been reading a section, then listening your commentary (which I love). Maybe I’m looking at Stephen the wrong way (especially since he’s meant to be Joyce) , but he seems so mean spirited: a son who refuses to humor his mother as she’s dying for some petty ideology, a teacher with such contempt for his young students. Please explain how I’m wrong. I’ve never heard anyone talk trash on Stephen before. He just seems so cynical
"God is a shout in the streets" - Stephen is positing his interpretation of consubstantiality. The holy spirit is in people's fears, it is in strangers' cries of anger or pain, anguish. The paradox: god is in common pain, god is in everything, united in father, son and holy spirit or creator, sufferer, and believer. God is the transmission, were all recievers if we turn on and tune in. I am unable to decipher if Stephen personally subscribes to what he is turned on to and in tuned with. He sees the voicings of god, i think his intellect and spirituality coexist to form his perspective that god is not an objective definition but a subjective emotion, a shout in the streets, felt uniquely by each. The multiple angle parallex, each persons' perspective of god are parts, fragmented pieces, which makes up a consubstantial whole, like the father, son, and spirit analogy.
Of course there's not one "correct" meaning. Many different meanings can be extracted from great art even those not intended by the artist. For me "god is a shout in the street", in addition to the suggestions in these comments, is Stephen (Joyce) simply taking the mickey out of Deasy's belief in humanity moving towards the great "goal" It's a great joke!
About the God part: I think that Stephen means that all of God's importance is its impact on our minds and how our lives and emotions changes because we have the idea of God. The point could be that God rather than an actual being it would be more of an influence in how we see the world.
I also found it funny how Deasy talking nonsense about foot and mouth has parallels with COVID deniers
I think that god as "a shout in the streets" means something very simple but profound; As philosopher John Ebert points out, Religion has emerged from almost every culture producing different deities to 'supplement' a kind of unknownness (Kantian noumena). God as a cry from the streets could simply mean that the need for God (or a greater logos) is a human condition. Also thank you so much for this series, Chris!
“ God (or the Devil) is in the details.” And in Joyce, the particular matters and nothing is trivial. So this line is an early warning, coming as it does before the seemingly random ramblings of Episode 3, that it is worth attending to everything. Also, the sentiment evokes Blake “To see the universe in a grain of sand.” Everything is connected for the creator, be that God or the artist or the reader who pays attention. And you can find meaningful beauty and depth in the commonplace if you care to do so. Stephen wants to; Deasy is too busy pontificating and too hidebound by tradition to do so.
I've been reading Ulysses now for several weeks, currently in chapter 11, and it is anything but fun. No one here can reasonably deny that most of the work is psychotic gibberish.
I think he means God is everywhere (including in the mundane things), not just inside church or not just within the confines of organized religion. I view Stephen as still a believer, although questioning the Church / organized religion more than questioning the actual existence of God. ???
Thank you very much!
That line about God is a really beautiful one and you feel the core of it resonate throughout the rest of the book (along with a lot of the other themes seeded in this chapter). Even Joyce's other work, just who he was as a person. I think that about any way you interpret it could be valid in the context of the book, but to me that line has always been Stephen nodding with respect to simple, real life. The book goes in depth deconstructing how people are blinded to their own undoing by sentimentality, which we see especially in regards to Religion/Spirituality and Nationalism. The consistent display of people in one way or another escaping real life through romanticism, and then we have Stephen's simple recognition that there's beauty, you could even argue a spiritual kind of beauty, out there in the streets waiting for you. Kids being enraptured in their game, a purity and passion and enthusiasm shining out clear as day. That's all there is to it, and that's all there really needs to be, according Stephen/Joyce.
Thank you very much! It's great help!
This episode is so clear to me now, thank you!!
My reading group is struggling through Ulysses but enjoying it. We have been helped immensely by your clearly expressed insights and explanation. Thank you!
Thank you for your video. I was a bit worried I would not appreciate fully Ulysses. But reading this Episode 2 so many things echoed in me. Some lines felt truly special.
'A shout in the street' could be a reference to the Bible: 'a voice of one crying in the wilderness'?
Well, these two take a interesting and poignant meaning due to current events:
Thanks a lot. I really like the sentence God is a shout in the street! It reminds me that in the bible many times God appears only After people cries out. So yes God is everywhere, but God hears the cry, is in the shout of the people, is present when people cry, shout, is in need.