Fixing a trashed $10,000 mountain bike!
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
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i9 has changed the axel and does admit to it being an issue. If you would have called them and talked to them you would have got that replaced for free with no questions. I love my hydras, and have them in a Kenevo SL that I ride hard. Zero problems.
I also heard they fixed the axles. I've put 800 miles on mine with no issues so far.
You called I9 hubs subpar!!! That’s gonna piss off A LOT of fanboys 😆👍
Oh it doesn’t matter. He has loads of haters. I went to Reddit and found a rabbit hole of his haters.
Personally I like Evan and his videos even if I don’t agree with everything he says or does
The industry nine hubs are built to last not in all cases
Haters gonna hate! Still not gonna buy i9's!
oh yeah, they're in the comments
Hammering on the inner ring of the bearing! Nice work! 😂👌🏻
it hurt my brain like biting into tin foil
so a company that changes the product for the better after complaints and acknowledges that it was a defect
is still sub par?
Yeaaaa, I was wondering why be so harsh with it. So weird. The fact that they owned up and improved it so more reason why I'd wanna get them.
It should be free then. If its a faulty design, have a little check box on the website "is this replacing a broken axle from these years?" Check yes - boom free. Maybe require a photo for proof
@@EvansMTBSaga great suggestion. Still doesn't make it sub par, especially the fixed ones. I'm not being a fan boy here, because I don't own a set. Just saying, lil harsh...
@@EvansMTBSaga they offer it for free if you contact them. Nobody is going to put up a "free" product on their website.
Yes because they didn't recall their product they just waited till people had a problem so not only is the product subpar but so is the customer relations
I was going to get I9’s on my latest wheel build. But after talking to my LBS/wheel builder decided against it give many of the issues he was seeing (everybody and their mom runs I9’s in my area). Got a nice set of DT Swiss 350s with the 54T ratchet and love them. Things just work and while they aren’t flashy I know I will get years of trouble free use with just minor maintenance.
Great hubs. Use them on all my wheels. Just not flashy enough for some.
Yes bro
350s are awesome! I've only tried a 350 front hub, but several 370s. I'd love to build a sick wheelset - DT 350 hubs with EX511 hoops. Would be bombproof
@@EvansMTBSaga I have a couple sets of We Are Ones with 350’s. Very tough.
@@EvansMTBSaga I have mine laced to XM481s for an all around trail setup (with Vittoria Air Liner Lights) and absolutely love them. With the 54t it’s nearly instant engagement. I’ve heard nothing but good things about the EX511s on big hit enduro bikes! Another advantage to DT Swiss is you can walk into almost any shop anywhere in the world and get parts.
I appreciate the size of your balls, in some circles you can't talk about the i9 "flaws" at the risk of permanent alienation. 😅
Same with bike & components brands, fanboyism isn't very constructive...
Yeah, some people are so sensitive 😂
i9 is the swaggiest brand in all of MTB, but I think my first premium wheelset is going to be from NOBL, with Onyx hubs. At minimum, they're about $1000 cheaper.
Hey Evan - I just wanted to say your putting out great content. Keep grinding man - I'm sure its not an easy road. You got it.
Thanks!! I'm excited the videos are performing well at the moment
i love your vids man keep up the good work
I appreciate the honesty and open opinions he Evan shares.
Thanks!!
@@EvansMTBSaga yeah opinions are just opinions, I don't get why people get so offended over things other people say
I love your vids keep up the good work
Looking forward to high/low. Keep up the great content.
From Montreal Canada! Evan, this is my favorite mountain bike Channel by far. Keep up the good work!
Thanks dude! I hope your out there ripping now that the snow is gone
your videos r very good
thats a crazy bike!
So pumped for high low S2. gotta get some ideas flowing for my polygon
Beautiful work!
Thank you for the video Evan 👍
Love the videos! Dude, you might have to get your hands on a We the People Swamp master for a video
Haha I've never even heard of that! Going to look it up now
@@EvansMTBSagait’s so good
I'm so excited for high low season 2!
I just like to watch you work on bikes. 👍 Keep up the good work.
Nice video I enjoyed it 👍👍👍
the high low "ad" is really like donut medias
That's where I got my inspiration from!
that's exactly where he ripped off the idea from... 🤣
8:22 when letting the air out of the shock let it out slowly with a shock pump and it stops the problem of the negative chamber sucking down. Give me a message if ever unsure of anything I work in a bike shop which has mechanics that are now World Cup mechanics and I’m not too bad myself 😎
Awesome thanks for the tip! Same applies for forks?
Quiet down I9 hubs?
Thats a first
Yeah I don't like really loud hubs
because we Arnt 5 or 10 years old anymore, silence is bliss... silence is also often a sign of quality products.
I like the DT swiss 54 tooth level noise it doesn't seem terribly loud but loud enough that I can alert hikers and slower bikers before I have to yell.
@@jamesrohner3792 Hope you dont have an expensive frame with fancy suspension........
@@solomtb5547 what does that have to do with my hubs. I was trying to agree I do not like super noisy hubs and was just saying that when I moved from the 18 tooth to the 54 tooth that it's the max level for me on hub noise.
I always wanted i9's kinda like when u get ur first "fox fork" 😆 i love my dt swiss stuff its really nice.
Haha dude I know EXACTLY what you mean. Then it's a big let down and we go back to the tried and tested parts
Sick bike, new owner gonna be have real bang for the buck!
Damn I only have a 100 dollars bike 😂 nice video mate! Cheers! 🍻
You should try the Fillmor they’re impossible to clog.
Also, knock on wood but I’ve never had an I9 axle snap on me. I’ve owned 3 sets.
These parts break even easier when not properly installed. And bearings wear out faster when hit with a socket and a hammer 😂 these are some of the most popular hubs because they have a company willing to admit they made a mistake.
I'm not spending more money to buy a press that I'll never use. Been making bike build videos for 4 years and never once needed one
Not true it make no difference in wear - that's from engineering testing.
admit mistake is different to recalling and replacing - a company willing to recall and replace rather than wait for a complaint is better.
Freeze the bearings and heat whatever it is they go into. Much easier to install. If it’s aluminum they’ll nearly drop right in since aluminum will expand a lot.
Enjoayble content! Glad you're not on the hype train for i9 hubs, at least.
I used road bike bar tape for one of my builds a while ago.
Love the videos would do anything to have a bike like that
I hope you keep it..
i think that the silver title bars would look brilliant for it
What's up! Hope all is well at your place with the storm. We are in bella vista from CO for the bike fest. Bummed to see your town torn up!
To get ride off the residue try using paint thinner or 100% acetone
Specialized tires are awesome, I’ve had great performance from them. Most other tire brands are way over priced.
The axles in i9 hubs flex slightly when load is applied to the pedals, allowing extremely fast engagement but sacraficing long term durability. This is completely intended and not a "faulty design" but honestly I don't rebuilding hubs all the time is worth if for super fast engagement.
When I pedal it now at like 300w with the freehub grease, it makes a weird sound. I wonder if that's the flex
They fixed the problem. They send out an updated axle for warranty
@@EvansMTBSaga Weird sound after hammering in bearings, clearly must be the hub design, not user error lol....
The bearings in Dt Dwiss hubs get hammered in... There's no difference between hammering and pressing as long as you don't hammer it when it's already seated. Id hammer it in and stop before it's seated. That way you can get the right preload when the wheel is mounted in the frame. Also the weird sound is probably due to the grease. When the little pawls get to much grease in between body and pawl it can prevent the pawl from moving all the way and therefore your not using the whole surface of it and it's easier to slip. Take a little grease put and you're good. Also get some DT swiss hubs if you dont feel like maintaining every week. Steer clear of the American stuff.@@OperatorMittens
it quite literally is faulty design even industry nine themselves stated this, fun fact the hydra is a replacement for the torch because the torch kept exploding and youll never guess what! the hydra does the same shit. awful hubs. get literally anything else.
Love the videos
Interested to know approx hours spent on the service and what a bike shop might have charged for the work.
Filming slows stuff down a lot. I imagine it was like 10 hours of work without filming
Don't think much about the cost...
Bike shops are NOT cheap, if you can try and learn to do stuff yourself. If you don't have the time then the expense is justified. Given that he did the rear shock it's probably upwards of 200 to do all theese things
Butcher is my favorite front tire. Has been for a few years.
I9 at least admitted the issue and took steps to fix it. People are also now able to buy parts and fix their hubs. Compare that to the decade long issue that shimano had with their faulty cranks. It's up to you to choose which companies you support, but expecting a company to get every product perfect is not realistic.
From the comments it seems that you want to avoid them because they didn't offer a replacement part for free even though it is a design fault. That's fair but you didn't make that point clear in the video which is probably why many people are commenting on it.
It's still awesome to see a youtuber criticise a brand. Helps to hold them accountable.
I have the exact same wheel/hub combo on my bike snd haven't had any issues with the hubs. I run nobby nic front and wicked will in the back. You should give them a try.
Maxxis fan HERE!
I love your videos and I have a question. Currently I am 13 years old, 5’ 2” and have an xs hardtail. I am going to need a bigger bike soon, and I’m wondering if I should spend the extra money on a full suspension or should I buy another hardtail? I don’t have too much money to spend on it so should I buy a used one? I also don’t have any tools to fix one, so I’m really not sure. If you could help me out or anyone in the comments that would be a big help.
I'd probably go with another Hardtail. I imagine you're going to hit a growth spurt and outgrow your next bike pretty quickly
@@EvansMTBSagathanks so much
This together with the first video has really drawn me into the build; to the extent that I thought at one stage that it was my bike and me that was actually upgrading it!....ps not sure how you keep your hands so clean, mine would have surely been covered in oil/grease!
With filming, it takes way longer. So over the course of 8 hours I had multiple breaks and chances to wash my hands. This was the most filthy build I've done in ages
cant wait for season 2 of hi low
I had stans hubs that did the same thing. The solution they gave me was a steel axel since I had broken 2 aluminum axels. Had good customer service and replaced them for free but not sure this is a i9 specific problem.
Hey! I love watching your videos and I want to get into fixing and upgrading my own bike but I’m not sure what tools or tool kit I need. What tools did you start with?
You can start with a multi-tool and an 8mm allen wrench. it doesnt have to be expensive. Add in some tire levers and you can work on most of your bike
I ride a metal family bike in downhill also do some skills but I cross the limit on my bike can you give a normal aluminium bike
An unofficial hack if saving some $$$ for no bearing press, heck even a better hack than Seth, and that's the downside of what appears to be Stan's sealant always clogging something. This is a first time in a long time that I actually enjoy watching a video that is a hack video.
also had the issue with the clogged valve. just unscrew it and hammer it into the bike.
Noted for next time! I had fun slicing it this time haha
nice bike wish i had one still better than my cheap bmx
What’s the prob with Maxxis?
The fact that they were holding air is pretty impressive. I love em personally.
I think he hates the logos.
Evan, get yourself some Fillmore valves, You'll never experience a clogged valve again - They also let more air in and can often seat tyres better due to that
Pricey yes but they last forever and are so dang good.
I've definitely looked at those valves a time or two. I even thought about getting some Reserve wheels and they come with Fillmore
@@EvansMTBSaga keep an eye on ali, The valves pop up on there for about 7-8USD randomly.
The last lot we bought a discounted 50 sets. Cheap investment, My friends and I are set for life for valves.
Very nice. The restoration turned out great! I see that you put back on the XX1, looks very clean with the minimal cables Any reason why you have a disliking towards Maxxis tires?
Yeah I was just having fun with an ASMR video and all the batteries haha. Maxxis is super common, plus they've had quality control issues with their death wobble. Pretty expensive too. There's just better tire companies out there
what brand is the cassette pliers please
This is by far best looking bike I have seen on this channel. What do you need all the rest of the bikes for Evan? 🙂
Haha I can only make so many videos with one bike
@@EvansMTBSagaAren't you afraid that at some point you will run out of ideas for videos? Just wondering..must be a lot of pressure, or?
Hope pro 2 rear axles were prone to snap everyone that I know replace it with the thicker Hope pro 2 evo axle and bearings kits as the actual hub shell was the same
Been riding i9 hydras for 3+ years now, raced them and put them through everything and have had 0 problems 🤷
First. Great vids man, can't wait for the next episode of high low s2
How did you post this comment before the video came out?
@@Samisbad69he’s a member, he gets early access
Lovely bike, lovely spec but I’m not a fan of Specialized tyres. Not taking anything away from your hard work though, love your videos 👍
No worries! Why don't you like them? Curious to hear your opinion
@@EvansMTBSaga they come on my Kenevo as standard and I had nothing but issues with them, they kept going flat when rode hard, leaking sealant from the rim and the last straw the tyre come away from the rim when I hit a bit of chunk resulting in a new back wheel.
I ride Conti Kryptotal now and I love them. 👍
Grid Gravity is their DD casing, Grid Trail is more like their EXO+ casing.
Haha it's so confusing! Ive looked up info about their tires quite and bit now and it's not super clear. Either way I like them and enjoy testing out their range
There was no reason to cut the tire. Unscrew the nut and you can press the valve in to let air out. No reason to add more waste into the environment if it's unneeded.
Expensive companies parts are often weak they want to save few grams but the actual riders can be overly weight 😂
Bike is looking dialed!!!
Heck yeah thanks man
hi can you test CAPRA CORE 2 BLACK MAGIC plic i love your kantent
But what will you do without 11,382 poe?
Haha true! Im a casual, I don't need crazy engagement
Love your vids they are the best man
hey evan im a 14 year old shredder from the uk with a trek roscoe 7, i love the bike but the parts could be better not asking for parts just wondering if you ever had any spare parts collecting dust i would be more then happy to take them off your hand
Let’s gooooo!!!!
I feel like you got a "bad batch" 🤞 I've had 4 bikes over 10 years with i9 hubs.... zero issues 🤷♂
What kind of tires will make your bike feel more plush?
Thick casing/thick sidewall. Maxxis double down is the most common. The tires I installed will do the same. It's cool, but the trade off is more rolling resistance
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks! I have a Maxxis Minion DHF and Aggressor right now. 3C MaxxTerra EXO. Im willing to sacrifice a little rolling resistance.
How much for the bike without the wheels or cockpit?
I don't need the cranks either.
is it worth to upgrade my fox 32's? maybe to something like 36 or 38?
Depends on the bike. If it's an XC bike, the 32 is good
@@EvansMTBSaga ok thanks
yessssssss HIGH LOW! FINALLY BACK.
i wanted to put a volume spacer in my fox dps and forgot to put out the air😁😐
Haha that's scary! Did it explode
@@EvansMTBSaga yea hopefully it was on the bike
Lol, didn't knew this dudes had they're overpriced faulty hubs updated. Are they any reliable now?
8:35 ouch, was that wound on your hand from shock?
Haha as gross as it sounds, it's a wart that Ive been dealing with for a year and had just cut it off for the 10th time
1:25 Noooo ...... You're damaging the balls and races, Don't press in the bearing center, press at the outer race, or use a fender washer or three to press both at the same time.
Having said all that, I'm only 1.5 minutes in and totally interested to see where you take this build. Anti-lock brakes anyone?
I looked it up and i9 says the bearings are made to be pressed in with their axle 🤷♂️ it'll be alright though 🤣
Crazy😂
I have 2 hydras, neither of which have issues. The “problem” with them lies with either e-bikes or people that can put out absurd amounts or torque from their legs, almost a gym rat turned mtb rider. The flex in the hub is what allows for the amount of engagements that they have so as long as you’re not riding an ebike or you’re not outputting ebike power you’ll be fine
Yeah I've heard that about the engagement. Flexing by design for engagement 😬
get Schwalbe tyres they the best
I get the i chose violence thing for content and the tire was already smoked. For the future for you or anyone else, if the valve is blocked by dried up sealant you don't need to cut the tire. Just add more air to the tire to clear the valve, should work most of the time.
I tried adding air and it was almost too clogged to do that 😭 others have commented to unscrew the valve. Glad you got that slicing it was for the content. I had fun haha
It is impressive how much you know about bikes.
don't part it out man, keep it for yourself :)
what do you mean i9 hydras is "sub-par"? they are some of the best if not the best hubs out at the moment
Many reported broken axles and premature bearing wear. Plus a hub designed to flex for engagement. No thanks
@@EvansMTBSagai thought it was the free hub that flexed not the axle so I am a little confused with that also I think some people have said the axle has been improved to be stronger so hopefully that isn’t an issue for much longer
Remove the valve pin and poke using a long pin instead of cutting off that tire .
I did and it wouldn't go through! Never seen it before
For a bearing press, use a threaded rod, a couple of nuts, flat washers, and the old bearings. Works great for straight through bearing designs and only costs a few dollars.
I tried making a rig with my through axle tool for the truing stand but it kept going crooked 😬
Calling industry 9 hubs subpar is crazy
hi
Evan
thanks evan
I9s are good they are just time and labour intensive, the axle can break but it shouldnt happen in that many cases - it has been redesigned at least once to avoid stress risers
I tried so hard to make it into this video 😅
One day you'll make it! Oh wait youve been in my videos! 🤣
The hydras are some of the best hubs in the business lol the onyx are the mushy trash hubs
I have had sprag flex with Onyx. The newer ones break in though and it's not noticeable
I wonder how many here defending i9 actually own them and are just displaying post-purchase rationalization. If i9 replaced torch with hydra and are still having the same issues I'd suggest there is something wrong and they should have recalled rather than waited for warranty claims.
Do you have a bike laying around that you don’t want? If you do, could I have it, my bike isn’t working, even with repairs.
Love the videos man! Only downside is they give me upgrade cravings for my 9 yr old Rockhopper, which just isn’t worth upgrading that much haha
Haha you can start small and always take those upgrades to the next bike 😁
poor man's bearing press: socket set.
Went in pretty smoothly too!!
Why not identical bikes?
I guess you'll have to watch to find out!
I don't normally downvote things but calling a hub "subpar" because they made a change to the axle design and admitted a flaw is just not okay. Would you rather a company hide the design change? Would you rather they not have changed at all?
They should've recalled the hubs and offer the axle for free on the site.....
This guy also complained about moving from a base model fox 36 to a Lyrik Ultimate. Auto unsubscribed, I don’t even know why I opened this video.
@@EvansMTBSaga Evan, they did and still offer no questions asked replacement if you have a broken one. They sell millions of these branded by them and others, the hundreds of issues you see far out shine the people that dont report and are happy.
Pretty sure a company wouldn’t admit a flaw unless it was, in fact, subpar.
This isn’t an airport. You don’t have to announce your departure. Nobody cares if you leave