*Some Notes:* 1) I was not paid to make this video. L-TWOO paid for my travel and accommodation to the launch event, but I didn't get any payment for the video. We're all wearing L-TWOO cycling gear because they were also doing a photoshoot. 2) This is not a review. Consider it a "first look" Need a lot more time with the groupset to call it a review. 3) The crass humour. It seems in the comments some of you love it, some of you hate it. Not sure what the actual ratio is. 4) Will update video with links as soon as available. 5) Also, in the video I incorrectly stated that ROTOR's groupset will mis-shift with temperature variation. This is not the case, *I stand corrected. Sorry ROTOR.* :(
The crass humour comes across as a bit of a Hambini take off. Which is fine he seems to get a lot of fans. Hambini's MO is that he is a contrarian against the usual - 'buy this bike' media content, acting as a disrupter to show the low quality manufacturing/QI and engineering mistakes in the ever more expensive cycling industry do it fits the role. I can understand that in someways by highlighting the growing direct to consumer Chinese brands you sit in a close position as it is countering the 'tradition' bike brands market ownership. However I don't think you need it as it is more based on the positive - better products & a more healthy price.
These look INCREDIBLE! I've been waiting for you to drop this video, and it definitely doesn't disappoint. Love the background/context you gave at the start btw, always cool learning a little inside knowledge from an expert! Anyway looking forward to seeing a build from you with these, and here's hoping I can get hold of a set! 🤞🤞🤞
@tracevelo I just picked up my groupset from Aliexpress, they've started releasing the RX and 11 speed groupsets. Mine is arriving in Dec 11~ Looking forward to seeing your review!
He was brought out by L-Twoo themselves and handed a bike with their title all over the bike. It'll be more impressive when Trace Velo actually gets a product and compares the real thing
Reading through the comments there seems to be some confusion about of these are post or flat mount, They ARE flat mount, I think a lot of people are being confused by this because the design of the calipers and the mounts. Basically they have done the opposite to Shimano/SRAM. Because the mounting hole spacing is different on fork than it is on the frame if you want to use the same design of caliper front and rear (like Shimano/SRAM do) one caliper will always need a mount/adapter plate, With Shimano/SRAM no matter what size rotor you use you ALWAYS need an adapter/mount on the fork but NOT always on the frame (depending on what size rotor you are using and what the frame was designed for). LT-Woo have done the opposite so with these calipers you will ALWAYS need an adapter/mount on the rear but NOT always on the front. If you pause at 4:26 you can see what I mean, if they were using 140 rotor that mount would not be required and the caliper would bolt directly to the fork. So they will fit a flat mount frame-set by design, however it could be an issue for people who have older post/IS frames who wish to use this system as Post/IS to Flat adapters are available but they would not work with this design.
Can't wait to see this, long time coming! Love that you're always dropping new, useful content - where others keep recycling the same content and pray we don't notice!
@@ChinaCycling just curious tho if your industry friends have any ideas when sensah will release their own hydraulic brakes?. I definitely prefer their ergonomics for my really small hands.
@@2ball434 Sensah coming soon. They were waiting for L-TWOO to blink first. But, they thought they were gonna be able to be a lot cheaper than L-TWOO, but now L-TWOO have gone so low-price... I think it threw a spanner in their works... interesting times
@@ChinaCycling when sensah will be releasing their hydraulic groupset. For sure it will shift the OEM market. As a bike brand owner Having to deal with Shimano commercial methods. As well as their b2b website (and distributors website) I have stopped proposing Shimano groupset on all my bike for several month now.. and this will not change from now. Goodbye Shimano...
Definitely piqued my attention, thank you for this! But two things must be noted: 1) in L-TWOO render fragment [2:40], levers do upshifting and downshifting exactly in the opposite manner, compared to how you have explained later in the video. 2) Groupset is on AliExpress now, and it costs 500 Euros, not 190 Dollars.
Shimano, Sram and Campy should be quaking in there boots. The massively overpriced groupsets they have been putting out lately are being shown for what they are - a complete ripoff...... I love it when smaller company's come along and show the 'establishment' how it should be done!
Yes and no. The big brands are so established it's never going to be a major threat because people also like warranties that are fast. Ltwoo and sensah are filling the space for less wealthy riders and OEM builds. These groups will sell to guys that want a winter bike or commuter trainer whilst keeping their posh bike for races and group rides. Electronics is still the go to for many serious western cyclists
Shimano and sram know this stuff is coming. That's why they've been jacking up the prices on their performance products, to cash in on their good name.
@@ChinaCycling I don't race, so I have no need to shift in 0.01 seconds, or whatever. Plus I already have enough electronics to charge; I'm not adding my bike to that list!
Am running both Sensah Empire Pros and the earlier version of the Ltwoo RX on my bikes. Glad to see they revised the upshift thumbshifter for access in the drops. This will allow good braking performance from fully integrated aero stems without worrying about all the cable kinks.
I have an Empire pro groupset. I’ve ridin 1000’s of miles on it and has never failed me. I’m looking try this groupset on my gravel bike. Great vid, thanks again for all the info.
My father go back and forth as to why groupsets cost so much. He is a dirty hippie and believes the man is keeping us down due overpricing. I however understand R&D and Marketing. Yet again I’m super impressed by Chinese manufacturers and creating new products to avoid the ever present patent gods.
@@ChinaCycling Not just cheap. If this is, as you are reporting, its a proper gravel hydraulic system that actually is built for mtb cassette ranges. This is what many of us have been hoping for, esp as many bikes now are coming out with 73mm crank widths and no 2x provisions.
@@ChinaCycling Any brake can lock the tires, the braking force is not the issue.. its the control. Rim brakes are way more powerful than any disk brake anyhow, as the diameter of the "disk" is so much bigger and it also takes out the flexing of the spokes. That's why trial people use rim brakes, they are way more powerful than disks. The main benefit of disk brakes is the control, and maybe the actual biggest benefit is that your expensive rims are not going to wear out anymore. The last reason is why i use disks on all my bikes.
@@Nobody-Nowhere Braking power is a function of the environment. Real world riding isn't a sterile lab. In the real world, contamination severely degrades rim braking.
I like your thorough information on this brake group set and all of others videos that I have see. Thanks 🙏 for your hard work on news from the bike industry!!
Hey dude. Good to see you here. I occasionally watch your videos. Hit me up if you need some Chinese stuff to review. My contact details in my channel 'about' page. 🙌
Genius Joe!!! Thanks for reporting good new out from CN. Happy to hear that a “Volkswagen “ will be soon available for the masses. Great videos as always. Greetings from Korea 🫰🏼
I've been waiting for years for this... So exciting, I am definitely getting a set once it's available. To be fair, I fully expected Sensah to be the first to release these, but way to go L-twoo. And f*** Shimano and others, scalping road riders like that. It's ridiculous you can get a full set of Shimano MT200 2 levers and 2 calipers for like $50, but you have to pay several hundred extra for a hydraulic groupset in road bike world.
its about 500 euros at aliexpress rn for the carbon version the alloy version is about 400 but id still take it rather than a 105 or ultegra groupset, way better looking i think carbon for rn 500 may get even cheaper great shifting and quality
In badminton, I remember how Yonex and Carlton racquets used to be so expensive. One day, more brands emerged at lower price point but still performs brilliantly for its asking price. I think this is what we are seeing in the bike, wheels and now groupset industry.
I currently run a L-TWOO GR7 and Z-Race RX on my Trek Domane AL2 (1000km+) and I am very excited with this new product. Can't wait until it's available for purchase as an upgrade for my GR7 ( I am originally planning for GR9 ). It also looks like a nice replacement for my Shimano TIAGRA spec Trek Domane SL. I love your channel!
Amazing! I can't wait to get this groupset in my hands and talk about it. Congratulations on the video! As always very well done and with the necessary information.
Yeah, I think for these "unknown" products, it's good to have some background on where they're coming from... but it's also a bit boring for some...but...I'll keep it in there. People can always skip if they're uninterested.
I really wish I had built my carbon bike 2 years later, and saved so much £££ on the groupset - I have the exact 105 equivalent (R7020), which is currently £720+ on Aliexpress, and I would certainly try the L-TWOO if I were doing it again. Hopefully this will also get Shimano to re-consider their recent hikes in prices. 105 is no longer the groupset of the people, maybe LTWOO will take its place in 6 months or so, when there have been some long term reviews. Great to see the early info, thanks.
It's important to remember that one purpose of the patent system is to make it easier for competitors to copy the patented invention and quickly enter the market when the patent expires. So SRAM and all other patentees know they have to make big money in the first decade, because after expiry, competitors can make the patented invention without having to pay license fees. So this is why big brand companies phase out things like 10 speed and rim brakes. They want to keep profits up by selling exclusive products.
It is interesting that they went for the post mount calipers instead of flat-mount. Hope they will leave it as it is, because it will allow people with older cx/touring frames upgrade to fully hydraulic brakes for cheap but also leave the adapter option for the flat-mount folks out there, because there are lots of post-mount calipers to flat-mount frames adapters, and only shady blueprints of the flat-mount calipers to post-mount frames adapters. Also hope they will launch 10, or at least 11 speed groupsets, because i dont really want to jump on the 12 speed wagon just yet
I'm still using my good old 2014 Giant TCR rim brake with sensah mixed with Shimano 105 r7000 on it... I will surely try this groupset if I want to step in the disc brake road bike in the future...
Wow this thing looks fantastic for the money. I’m more into rim brake bikes with older used dura ace components to save money and new Winspace Hypers to stay light fast and aero. This bike looks fantastic though.
Love the disruption that these brands are creating. I'll pick up the groupset as soon as it becomes available because Shimano and SRAM are just so damn expensive now.
Love the video and content. Please keep it coming! However, do your self a favor and avoid the sexist comments in your commentary. They don't help your credibility and professionalism.
Great video interesting to get the insight into the Chinese bicycle market. I have to confess I am an American, and hearing you say, pay tent instead of pat tent did try my patience a little bit.
I have some experience with ltwoo mtb groupset and the shifting was finicky to get right, but shifted perfectly once dialed. I would expect similar results for these road ones. Great option for us broke-*ss roadies.
I'm convinced. 10-52 in the 1x ? that is awesome. And in the meantime the suckers of shimano and sram forcing the user on a ridiculous 11-42 officially (or 11-46 going out of specs to the maximum), and shimano having issues with their clutch. ... . If the system and derrailleur works as advertised, I think many people will start to go to ltwoo and ditch their shimanos/srams (myself included). Also I see that they are also releasing a new MTB version of the derrailleur (T-series) with clutch, with the same impressive lookins. If I don''t manage to repair my Shimano XTR 12s (flawed design and dirt/mud/rust gets inside the clutch mechanism, forcing you to clean it every few weeks, lesson I learnt too late) I will buy a ltwoo and trash the XTR.
Great video, both in content and presentation Joe! As you say, this really is a game changer in the industry, especially if more bike manufacturers spec it as standard. Along with Sensah, with China being the home of electronics manufacturing, I think we’ll see electronic group sets within 18-24 months…
well, the first units are finally on sale on aliexpress and they are closer to 500€ at the moment... will we see these prices come down eventually? and also are they only going to work with their own proprietary brake fluid? we need to get some reviews in ASAP!
Still betting on L-TWOO or Sensah to come out with electronic shifting at 700-800 usd. That will be a major kick in the nuts for big 3. Shimano 105 di2 has plainly a ridicolous price.
@@ChinaCycling Really? Have been riding Sensah Empire for 3000+km and love the simplicity of single lever design. Only drawback is the cable actuate disc brake.
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*Some Notes:*
1) I was not paid to make this video. L-TWOO paid for my travel and accommodation to the launch event, but I didn't get any payment for the video. We're all wearing L-TWOO cycling gear because they were also doing a photoshoot.
2) This is not a review. Consider it a "first look" Need a lot more time with the groupset to call it a review.
3) The crass humour. It seems in the comments some of you love it, some of you hate it. Not sure what the actual ratio is.
4) Will update video with links as soon as available.
5) Also, in the video I incorrectly stated that ROTOR's groupset will mis-shift with temperature variation. This is not the case, *I stand corrected. Sorry ROTOR.* :(
you might wanna just check the pricing info....you gave the price for the highest-end 12 speed carbon version but on screen it said 2x11
The humour is fine for rude Aussies like me. I appreciate the great content!
Is there any updates to the sensah srx shifter?
The crass humour comes across as a bit of a Hambini take off. Which is fine he seems to get a lot of fans. Hambini's MO is that he is a contrarian against the usual - 'buy this bike' media content, acting as a disrupter to show the low quality manufacturing/QI and engineering mistakes in the ever more expensive cycling industry do it fits the role. I can understand that in someways by highlighting the growing direct to consumer Chinese brands you sit in a close position as it is countering the 'tradition' bike brands market ownership. However I don't think you need it as it is more based on the positive - better products & a more healthy price.
1) hell yea, moving on up!
2) yep
3) i mean its you Joe! keep being you!
These look INCREDIBLE! I've been waiting for you to drop this video, and it definitely doesn't disappoint. Love the background/context you gave at the start btw, always cool learning a little inside knowledge from an expert! Anyway looking forward to seeing a build from you with these, and here's hoping I can get hold of a set! 🤞🤞🤞
Keen for your detailed review and 2000mile road test!
LOTS of interesting things coming....your gonna be a busy boy 😜
Waiting for your review man.
@tracevelo I just picked up my groupset from Aliexpress, they've started releasing the RX and 11 speed groupsets. Mine is arriving in Dec 11~ Looking forward to seeing your review!
This looks mighty impressive.
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Almost ready for a reaming…..
He was brought out by L-Twoo themselves and handed a bike with their title all over the bike. It'll be more impressive when Trace Velo actually gets a product and compares the real thing
@@hotimothy8091 Where is Nik Fledge when you need some light entertainment aka reaming
Ream me hambini
Reading through the comments there seems to be some confusion about of these are post or flat mount,
They ARE flat mount, I think a lot of people are being confused by this because the design of the calipers and the mounts. Basically they have done the opposite to Shimano/SRAM. Because the mounting hole spacing is different on fork than it is on the frame if you want to use the same design of caliper front and rear (like Shimano/SRAM do) one caliper will always need a mount/adapter plate, With Shimano/SRAM no matter what size rotor you use you ALWAYS need an adapter/mount on the fork but NOT always on the frame (depending on what size rotor you are using and what the frame was designed for). LT-Woo have done the opposite so with these calipers you will ALWAYS need an adapter/mount on the rear but NOT always on the front. If you pause at 4:26 you can see what I mean, if they were using 140 rotor that mount would not be required and the caliper would bolt directly to the fork. So they will fit a flat mount frame-set by design, however it could be an issue for people who have older post/IS frames who wish to use this system as Post/IS to Flat adapters are available but they would not work with this design.
The true knowledge is always in the comments section.
Can't wait to see this, long time coming! Love that you're always dropping new, useful content - where others keep recycling the same content and pray we don't notice!
When I see something like this, I feel it's revolutionary, gotta make a video!
fuck man this is exciting as shit. hydraulic groupsets from china are a BIG milestone
Game-changer
@@ChinaCycling just curious tho if your industry friends have any ideas when sensah will release their own hydraulic brakes?.
I definitely prefer their ergonomics for my really small hands.
@@2ball434 Sensah coming soon. They were waiting for L-TWOO to blink first. But, they thought they were gonna be able to be a lot cheaper than L-TWOO, but now L-TWOO have gone so low-price... I think it threw a spanner in their works... interesting times
@@ChinaCycling when sensah will be releasing their hydraulic groupset. For sure it will shift the OEM market. As a bike brand owner Having to deal with Shimano commercial methods. As well as their b2b website (and distributors website) I have stopped proposing Shimano groupset on all my bike for several month now.. and this will not change from now. Goodbye Shimano...
Definitely piqued my attention, thank you for this! But two things must be noted: 1) in L-TWOO render fragment [2:40], levers do upshifting and downshifting exactly in the opposite manner, compared to how you have explained later in the video. 2) Groupset is on AliExpress now, and it costs 500 Euros, not 190 Dollars.
I can't seem to find it on AliExpress, can you help me?
Shimano, Sram and Campy should be quaking in there boots. The massively overpriced groupsets they have been putting out lately are being shown for what they are - a complete ripoff...... I love it when smaller company's come along and show the 'establishment' how it should be done!
Yeah instead of 2k for the new “group set of the people”
As long as they won't get to the big brands stock equipment they can show what they want- being aftermarket won't be really profitable.
Yes and no. The big brands are so established it's never going to be a major threat because people also like warranties that are fast. Ltwoo and sensah are filling the space for less wealthy riders and OEM builds. These groups will sell to guys that want a winter bike or commuter trainer whilst keeping their posh bike for races and group rides. Electronics is still the go to for many serious western cyclists
Shimano and sram know this stuff is coming. That's why they've been jacking up the prices on their performance products, to cash in on their good name.
At least low end Shimano is reliable AF. I had Altus stuff for years and It Just Werks! ©
Very cool new product, Joe. I actually prefer mechanical shifting, so a groupset like this w/ solid hydro braking is intriguing.
Yeah, if you don't mind the extra cables, I think mechanical is amazing.
@@ChinaCycling I don't race, so I have no need to shift in 0.01 seconds, or whatever. Plus I already have enough electronics to charge; I'm not adding my bike to that list!
Am running both Sensah Empire Pros and the earlier version of the Ltwoo RX on my bikes. Glad to see they revised the upshift thumbshifter for access in the drops. This will allow good braking performance from fully integrated aero stems without worrying about all the cable kinks.
Exactly!
Finally, hydros! Hopefully electronic shifting will soon follow, Wheel Top teased a prototype some time ago.
There already is e-shifting. It's for MTB, but you can improvise. :)
@@robvolk From Wheel Top? Looked now again on their website under "EDS" and says "No products" under MTB and road.
@@cyclopenguin Weird. Maybe just not available for export yet? Someone I know has received his but he is in China.
Lots coming soon. 2023 will be packed.
About time. It makes no sense a bicycle groupset costs more than many complete motorcycles.
First time watching the channel. Rim brake on road bike, yes sir.
Instant subscriber.
I have an Empire pro groupset. I’ve ridin 1000’s of miles on it and has never failed me. I’m looking try this groupset on my gravel bike. Great vid, thanks again for all the info.
Yeah, this is great for a cheap gravel bike build.
My father go back and forth as to why groupsets cost so much. He is a dirty hippie and believes the man is keeping us down due overpricing. I however understand R&D and Marketing. Yet again I’m super impressed by Chinese manufacturers and creating new products to avoid the ever present patent gods.
@@ChinaCycling Not just cheap. If this is, as you are reporting, its a proper gravel hydraulic system that actually is built for mtb cassette ranges. This is what many of us have been hoping for, esp as many bikes now are coming out with 73mm crank widths and no 2x provisions.
Enjoyed the Honda Civic Tesla comment and the dig at Liz.. lol
Haha - glad someone gets my "humour"
Interesting! 🙌🏼
I run cable disk brakes, i haven't noticed any sucking. Lightweight and easy to maintain.
But I don't think they offer much advantage over rim brakes. The braking force is incomparable to fully hydraulic.
@@ChinaCycling Any brake can lock the tires, the braking force is not the issue.. its the control. Rim brakes are way more powerful than any disk brake anyhow, as the diameter of the "disk" is so much bigger and it also takes out the flexing of the spokes. That's why trial people use rim brakes, they are way more powerful than disks. The main benefit of disk brakes is the control, and maybe the actual biggest benefit is that your expensive rims are not going to wear out anymore. The last reason is why i use disks on all my bikes.
@@Nobody-Nowhere Braking power is a function of the environment. Real world riding isn't a sterile lab. In the real world, contamination severely degrades rim braking.
This is going to be soooooooooooooo popular, I hope LTwoo has their manufacturing QC up to snuff
Maybe they'll be teething problems, but hopefully nothing major!
I was just searching for hydraulic gravel groupset and look what I find!! I'm 100% buying this for my next build
Hell yea!!! Cheap durable and reliable, that’s all I want!!
I like your thorough information on this brake group set and all of others videos that I have see. Thanks 🙏 for your hard work on news from the bike industry!!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Liz truss brake joke ,,,spot on bro 😅😅
Best China Cycling video ever.
💦💦💦
It has just come out in aliexpress and starts at 500€ so it is more than double already. Still cheaper than all mainstream ones.
Groupset for the people!
Hey dude. Good to see you here. I occasionally watch your videos. Hit me up if you need some Chinese stuff to review. My contact details in my channel 'about' page. 🙌
I can't believe no one has commented on your script for this video, love the injected humour throughout - you had me rolling !
Haha, yeah, i went for something a bit different. A bit dead-pan. Wanted to keep some humour, but without putting off new viewers.
Genius Joe!!! Thanks for reporting good new out from CN. Happy to hear that a “Volkswagen “ will be soon available for the masses. Great videos as always. Greetings from Korea 🫰🏼
Thanks for tuning in from Korea! :D
LOVED "The Brakes Stopped Quicker than Liz Truss Political Career!"... LMAO 🤣
😁
I love how it's advertised as easy to maintain, that's definitely a way to catch my attention!
It’s about time!!!
Mine is ltwoo group set for MTB 1x10 spd.2 years already and no problem it's still working
I can't wait this GS. Big thumbs up to Chinese Brands.
The groupset of the people.
I've been waiting for years for this... So exciting, I am definitely getting a set once it's available.
To be fair, I fully expected Sensah to be the first to release these, but way to go L-twoo.
And f*** Shimano and others, scalping road riders like that. It's ridiculous you can get a full set of Shimano MT200 2 levers and 2 calipers for like $50, but you have to pay several hundred extra for a hydraulic groupset in road bike world.
"Stops quicker than Liz Truss' political career". Comments like this is why I love watching your videos.
its about 500 euros at aliexpress rn for the carbon version
the alloy version is about 400
but id still take it rather than a 105 or ultegra groupset,
way better looking i think
carbon for rn 500 may get even cheaper
great shifting and quality
In badminton, I remember how Yonex and Carlton racquets used to be so expensive. One day, more brands emerged at lower price point but still performs brilliantly for its asking price. I think this is what we are seeing in the bike, wheels and now groupset industry.
Exactly this.
Now Lining and Yonex are almost comparable, I hope Sensah and Ltwoo follow it, and at least will comparable to Shimano and Sram in some years.
its about time! we have been getting ripped off as consumers for a long time (especially in the bike industry)
Yes it is funny. I can get either a set of mechanical GRX 800 shifters for 400 usd or a full SRAM GX AXS electronic set for my MTB, which is bizzare.
@@laillosidgar But warranty is where the strength remains for the bigger brands
I currently run a L-TWOO GR7 and Z-Race RX on my Trek Domane AL2 (1000km+) and I am very excited with this new product. Can't wait until it's available for purchase as an upgrade for my GR7 ( I am originally planning for GR9 ). It also looks like a nice replacement for my Shimano TIAGRA spec Trek Domane SL. I love your channel!
💥BOOM!!!💥 AWESOME NEWS!!!! Thanks Joe! 😎💯
Its finally here! China cycling at the front of the news.
When I heard about it, just knew I had to share it with you guys.
Amazing news. Thanks, mate. 😄
Amazing!
I can't wait to get this groupset in my hands and talk about it.
Congratulations on the video!
As always very well done and with the necessary information.
Like the business background provided for context .
Yeah, I think for these "unknown" products, it's good to have some background on where they're coming from... but it's also a bit boring for some...but...I'll keep it in there. People can always skip if they're uninterested.
I really wish I had built my carbon bike 2 years later, and saved so much £££ on the groupset - I have the exact 105 equivalent (R7020), which is currently £720+ on Aliexpress, and I would certainly try the L-TWOO if I were doing it again. Hopefully this will also get Shimano to re-consider their recent hikes in prices. 105 is no longer the groupset of the people, maybe LTWOO will take its place in 6 months or so, when there have been some long term reviews. Great to see the early info, thanks.
this looks very good value for money
I even mentioned you in the video... "Can't wait to get my JC grubby little hands on a set.." I figured you'd watch it. ;) ;)
@@ChinaCycling 🤲🤲🤲🤲🤲
This is what ive been waiting forr
I freaking love this channel, thanks for the info and your work.
It's important to remember that one purpose of the patent system is to make it easier for competitors to copy the patented invention and quickly enter the market when the patent expires. So SRAM and all other patentees know they have to make big money in the first decade, because after expiry, competitors can make the patented invention without having to pay license fees. So this is why big brand companies phase out things like 10 speed and rim brakes. They want to keep profits up by selling exclusive products.
Can't wait till u install and review with ya secret build 👍👍
It is interesting that they went for the post mount calipers instead of flat-mount. Hope they will leave it as it is, because it will allow people with older cx/touring frames upgrade to fully hydraulic brakes for cheap but also leave the adapter option for the flat-mount folks out there, because there are lots of post-mount calipers to flat-mount frames adapters, and only shady blueprints of the flat-mount calipers to post-mount frames adapters. Also hope they will launch 10, or at least 11 speed groupsets, because i dont really want to jump on the 12 speed wagon just yet
I'm a flat bar rider but I love the look of that rear mech!
I'm still using my good old 2014 Giant TCR rim brake with sensah mixed with Shimano 105 r7000 on it... I will surely try this groupset if I want to step in the disc brake road bike in the future...
Impressive! I will try them!
Gonna slap this on a climbing frame with shallow wheels at some point 🤟👽
Wow this thing looks fantastic for the money. I’m more into rim brake bikes with older used dura ace components to save money and new Winspace Hypers to stay light fast and aero. This bike looks fantastic though.
This will be a game changer for the end users.
That is what i was waiting for! Super exciting. Greetings from Germany
Thank you from China! :D
is lovely to see that shit flat mount is quickly adapted for standards post mount. look at that beautiful 180mm markers on brakes !!
Love the disruption that these brands are creating. I'll pick up the groupset as soon as it becomes available because Shimano and SRAM are just so damn expensive now.
Yeah, prices are getting crazy.
Disruption?
Love the video and content. Please keep it coming! However, do your self a favor and avoid the sexist comments in your commentary. They don't help your credibility and professionalism.
Can’t wait for electronic groupset version :)
2:35 That's savage LOL
Is this the groupset for the Belt-and-Road, you know, everybody else?! Hahahahahaha, good job!
This is gonna be so awesome 👍 great refreshing content. Glad to see reviews on things that don't require a mortgage to afford.
Yeah, bikes have gotten so expensive.
Dear Sir !! ........... SUPERB Vlog !! And Great Info ...........Bless
This is massive, I want to buy on just ti give it a go. At 18:05 you mention 2x12 but the text is 2x11 - simple typo 👍
Great video interesting to get the insight into the Chinese bicycle market. I have to confess I am an American, and hearing you say, pay tent instead of pat tent did try my patience a little bit.
You mean pat ience?😂
To be honest the hood is good looking.
Hopefully l twoo will bring competition to the market to push down the price.
I chucked the R9 group on an old Cannondale - sweet as!
Looks great, Joe. Can’t wait to see how it shakes up the group set market.
Love your work mate. Keep up the video's
Thanks a ton! I'll keep on truckin
this will be the new group set of the people
I want I want I want this groupset. I can't wait for it to go electronic too.
Awesome channel!!
Finally! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure.
I have some experience with ltwoo mtb groupset and the shifting was finicky to get right, but shifted perfectly once dialed. I would expect similar results for these road ones. Great option for us broke-*ss roadies.
Great pair with a budget Ti gravel frame
I'm convinced. 10-52 in the 1x ? that is awesome. And in the meantime the suckers of shimano and sram forcing the user on a ridiculous 11-42 officially (or 11-46 going out of specs to the maximum), and shimano having issues with their clutch. ... . If the system and derrailleur works as advertised, I think many people will start to go to ltwoo and ditch their shimanos/srams (myself included). Also I see that they are also releasing a new MTB version of the derrailleur (T-series) with clutch, with the same impressive lookins. If I don''t manage to repair my Shimano XTR 12s (flawed design and dirt/mud/rust gets inside the clutch mechanism, forcing you to clean it every few weeks, lesson I learnt too late) I will buy a ltwoo and trash the XTR.
I really luv the look of these new groupset. Defo planning to buy
Yeah, It's a good deal!
Man this is so exciting its like campanolo but budget and 12 speed
I'd love to test them! I 11s L-TWOO works very reliably.
Great video, both in content and presentation Joe!
As you say, this really is a game changer in the industry, especially if more bike manufacturers spec it as standard.
Along with Sensah, with China being the home of electronics manufacturing, I think we’ll see electronic group sets within 18-24 months…
Groupsets will be sooner than that. ;) ;) My lips are sealed.
@@ChinaCycling you should get winspace to sell complete bikes with these new group sets!!
2 words. Quality control
This is good, as this is available here in the Philippines 👌🏼
Many thanks for making this video 👍
Many thanks for watching.
I am ready to test this group set!
well, the first units are finally on sale on aliexpress and they are closer to 500€ at the moment... will we see these prices come down eventually? and also are they only going to work with their own proprietary brake fluid? we need to get some reviews in ASAP!
Admittedly wish you opted for the 2x because I want to hear about the front shifting performance. But I’m excited to see what you think of this group!
As usual great reviews. And now all we need is PT's and Hambini's opinion! I wonder if Get Hard Vroomen will use em on his bikes!?
Yeah, I'm sure that pair will find any weaknesses.
509.5 € shipped on the official l-twoo aliexpress
Still betting on L-TWOO or Sensah to come out with electronic shifting at 700-800 usd. That will be a major kick in the nuts for big 3. Shimano 105 di2 has plainly a ridicolous price.
I predict half that price. (For just the shifting and braking parts)
Great to see, can’t be long before Sensah launch a hydro groupset can it?
Soooooon
@@ChinaCycling Really? Have been riding Sensah Empire for 3000+km and love the simplicity of single lever design. Only drawback is the cable actuate disc brake.
Aestathically, I wish that they bring FM-Brakes. Then it could be my choice.
fm?
This seems like a really interesting group for that price, I'd love to give it a try some day.
This is going straight to my gravel bike but I would like to see l'twoo offer actual flat mount calipers.
This really is fantastic! I'm not happy with my hybrid cable pull hydraulics and having an affordable full hydros gives so many more options
This has to be the way forward hydraulic making a solid alternative to electric group sets
Hambini Approved! I'm in.
Gee... can't wait to own one, thanks Joe 👍
Yeah, I'm pumped for mine.
17:01 more info? awesome looking groupset, great vid thanks for sharing