Thank you, Professor Danino, for this clear and composite description of the Harappan civilization. I look forward to listening to more of your lectures.
Another excellent talk. Thank you IIT Gandhinagar for uploading his videos. We get to learn so many things from him and the best part is that he presents multiple interpretations before the audience.
Thank you Michel Danino for your wonderful lectures. The study of the Harappan civilisation gives me such faith in humanity. I have been pondering why archeologists have not found the treasures of the kind western archeology are interested in. Does it point, in this instance, to the fact that the population moved away from the site consciously, and therefore took all valuables with them. I always find it curious why we find treasures at all. In the circumstance of Egypt its often because royalty were buried with treasures; and Persepolis because of the tragic fire in which case treasures were lost under ash. But if a population migrated peacefully then all valuables would migrate with them, leaving behind only the possessions which were not deemed so important. In the Harappan sites this could be the case. If the Harappan population continued but in a different location then valuables would migrate too and metamorphose with time and the passing of generations. A population as aware and intelligent as the Harappin, I believe, would not squander or "lose" treasures. As the evidence implies that much of the Harappin culture has continued into modern India would this suggest that the civilisation did not die but metamorphosed into the Indian civilisation we see today.
The Andronovo culture, 2000bc- 1100nc, succeeding the Sintashta and Steppe cultures were brutal and barbaric warring cultures from 2000bc till 1100 bc. The IVC was very rich defenseless and within easy range and was never invaded before. A planned, early and systematic evacuation would be the wiser option to defending the 100 odd Cities and the huge population.
@ 42 mins - The reason why there were no spectacular monuments or structures like in the Egyptian context is probably because the Indus civilization predated the Egyptian by a 1,000 years. It's slowly coming to light that it may actually be the oldest civilization ( around 6,000 years compared to Egyptian -5,000). More research needs to done.
It has settlement dating back to 12000BC ,It covered more land than Egypt and mesapotomia ,Just only compare how much time taken to raise the civilization.
Excellent! Amazing! Awesome! Mind blowing! Scholarly interpretation, good voice, clear pronunciation, very good, fluent English, insightful details, etc! More such videos by this same speakers please please🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏Also good team work for good audio, light, no loud, disturbing background music, other hindrances. So an extra big THANK YOU🙏🙏🙏
Thank you sir..this is a very informative and an interesting talk on Indus civilization...especially to people who are interested in knowing about past but cannot afford time and treasure to do so..you have connected the points well and the shift of gravity from baths & granaries to town planning was very subtle yet intense
@@swamadal664 😂😂 harrapa is a punjabi word you fool,we don't know what they call to themselves. Tamil chauvinists have a tendency to link everything to Tamils.
@@nopek1405 yeah u r right, even am from kerala, these guys tend to make each and every word of malayalam to tamil and say it came from this tamil word, 😂
@@muhammedwaseem6586 agreed, actually they take everything too far!! One day,the will claim mars and Jupiter because they have their names of tamil origins 🤦🤣
@@nopek1405 they are really crazy about their history, they need to make their tamil culture is the first indian culture, so they are trying at the peak. But me as a malayali is a least and the newest formed culture, so we dont know any history😅
Bahata anshumali mukhopadyay analysis of the Indus valley language is enlightening The words similar to 'pilu' ’piru' or 'pallu meaning 'teeth' tusk, ivory etc in the tamil south India languages
This video is very much interesting and I have gained the knowledge about this civilization... Thank you. But, there is a mention in the video that; Archeologists does not found any writings from these sites, just like Egypt and Mesopotamia; who were using clay slates and stone slates. Is n't it possible that Harappan Civilization may be using paper like material ("Bhojpatra" in Sanskrit) to maintain their trade accounts, etc., which could be decomposed after a long time? Secondly, just like Egypt, Archeologists has not found any statues or monuments of rulers of Harappan Civilizations. So, can we say that; these rulers was not interested to be worshiped as god by their own people? If so; then can we say that, they were more civilized? If today some thing catastrophic happened; then say, after 10,000 or 20,000 years; who will find the statues of world leaders like Mr. Emmanuel Macron, Mr. Donald Trump, Mr. Putin or Ms. Angela Mirchel? That does not mean that; current civilization is not advance enough. Is n't it?
The zebu bull 'bos indicus' is not native to tamil nadu but present in the state for 2000 years and is seen clearly in the ' jallikattu' bull fighting videos.
Excellent review of our knowledge of the Harappan Civilization. I find it amusing how Archaeologists point out how unsure they are of some interpretations. I imagine if you put 3 Archaeologists in a room and ask their opinion of something, you will end up with 12 opinions.
His discussion on what is a civilization falls short of some rigour. When you see brick construction and even a mini-urban pattern of existence for example in archaeology, you can immediately see what level of cooperative behaviour you need to advance to that level. All the bricks made to a standard size! Cave dwellers and hunter gatherers don't need that level of interdependence. Other criteria related to crafts etc. will happen. As regards writing, there were communities of high culture, where a word of mouth promise and trust was honored - vAk even as recently as 40 years back. And memory power was strong then as well. So no if you understood Indian cultural narrative well, writing is not a requirement!
The Indus Valley Civilization appears to have been under threat of imminent invasion.. The response was immediate evacuation of the entire population in 1900bc. It was done successfully as no human remains have been found to confirm an invasion. The inhabitants migrated East and South to safer parts of India and eventually mixed with local hunter gatherer populations. They make up the majority of local population today. The Indus Valley Cities iay abandoned for 400years until European and Central Asian migrants began to settle the Indus Valley in 1500bc bringing new language religion and the Vedic culture.
Pues yo soy estudiante de historia en México y me apena mucho decir que veo el indigenismo, la leyenda negra y el odio a lo propio muy arraigados por acá. Incluso se despiertan pasiones acérrimas con la pura mención de la época virreinal y se critica y ataca a quien usa el término "virreinal" en vez de "colonial". No se dan cuenta, claro, de que el verdadero colonialismo hoy en día nos viene en forma de estas tendencias académicas totalmente importadas del pensamiento anglosajón. Se habla de la "apropiación cultural", el "blanqueamiento" y "explotación" de las culturas y tradiciones indígenas por los blancos (aquí se discrimina igualmente a blancos hispanos y no hispanos). Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con Doña Elvira, hay mucho trabajo por hacer y muchos complejos de los que debemos deshacernos.
Vaivaswata manu belonged to devata clan in himalayas and spoke sanskrit. he came down and started dynasty rule in india at ayodhya.at around 6000 BC ,as per j p mittal (or 15000 BC ,if ramayana is timed as per mr.neel) Manu's sons and their descendents were surya vamsha(dynasty) kings and spread all over north.his daughter,ila married buddha(son of chandra) of devata clan and , their descendents were chandra vamsha kashtriyas. 5 generations later,a chandra vamsha king,turvasu was ruling baluchistan. While his brothers were ruling kambhoj,gandhar,chambal,betwa,ken etc. 24 generations later ,king andhira of this turvasu dynasty lost balochistan to yavanas or to drought ? and shifted to south india.probably their language transformed from sanskrit to tamil by now or later., this would be 5000 BC or 14000 BC,as per indian historians. He and his four sons established kingdoms in south india.this was 50 generations before lord rama . They were kulya,chola,pandya and kerala. Andhira and his son kulya ruled andhra pradesh.,i guess Kerala ruled kerala. Chola ruled chola desha Pandya ruled his kingdom. Probably the land mass was much bigger than present day. Malayadwaj was the pandyan king during mahabharatha war, around 90 generations after pandya established it. So now if south indians have some specific genes similar to people in indus valley and not found in north indians.our history explains it. Regardless of such migrations all indians are single race of sanskrit speaking vedic people from himalayan area.all indian languages including tamil evolved from sanskrit.same perfect sound and grammer and rules of poetry proves it. European languages are not perfect,have different grammer and has no rules for poetry. aryan and dravidian ,two race theory was some egoistic tamilian's imagination which the british saw as a fault line to divide india and they are experts at cooking up scientific data.
The baths resemble the 'pushkarinis' that we see to date in /near some temples ex: Tirumala and few more in the south (devuni kadapa). This site doesn't look like a place where people lived for ever, this looks like a pilgrimage place where people conglomerated/ area where ascetic lived and did their practices peacefully, hence no need for a military. Or this could be a place where international trade took place (traders dont do wars, they will go where their goods are protected)- the traders need protection like security people and tax collectors, who probably operated from the 'citadel' mentioned hence those big warehouses and sanitary system which was built according to a plan all in a row. Probably the real people's settlements are elsewhere still to be discovered.
It was gods and every individual was independent king and it was swarajya, in the begening it was just garden and as time goes by they started developing house and cites when they become human. And slowly the language developed. You must understand the self ruled kings do not need a language , he is like a cell phone and he can send message to each other any where any time. the spiritual communication and spiritual power degrades and they become human kings and develop palace and language and trade and agriculture. It was told adam fell down from heaven in the bible.
The. Snake Catching Irula tribals of tamil nadu arr the closest dna relatives of Indus valley inhabitants. Incidentally Romul Whitaker works with them.
It is vaidik civilisation because instead of murtipuja they worship the kalash which represents hiranyagarbha ie cosmic egg from which whole universe created also the deities. You may listen vedvik channels purnakumbh video.
First shed down the born arrogance and hatred. Then view past events as they happened. Don’t try to twist or change anything to suit your views and desires. Then you will become normal human being and understand everything perfectly in their true perspectives. All the best friend.
The Indus Valley people had their trading centres established there to trade with the then Sumerian and other western countries conveniently. They had come from southern region. If you wish or not the south was called Dravidam. When the thug like uncultured people intruded the region, the peaceful life of Indus people disturbed very much. They were peace loving people and so they did not use violence to drive them out. When the uncultured hooligans came from Siberian grass land savage behaviour intolerable, the highly cultured Indus people chose to leave the area towards their homeland south.
Shame of Sanatanic barbarism in Kerala! Sambandham was a concubinage system primarily followed by the Nairs and Ambalavasi with Namboothiri in what is the present-day Indian state of Kerala. All of these were matrilineal communities. The custom is no longer observed. Alternate names for the system were used by different social groups and in different regions;[1] they included Pudavamuri, Pudavakoda, Vastradanam, Vitaram Kayaruka, Mangalam and Uzhamporukkuka. During ancient times progeny out of these morganaic union where considered higher rank in caste system and had given special titles such as Nambiar in North Malabar. Among the Nambudiri, only the eldest son was permitted to marry; this was intended to maintain the integrity of ancestral property and prevent its being divided among too many descendants (primogeniture). The remaining males contracted Sambandams with Kshatriya princesses, aristocratic Nair ladies, or from the other matriarchal castes, allowing the priestly Brahmins to cement ties with the ruling aristocracy. Since the offspring of these alliances were, as per Marumakkathayam, members of their mother's castes and families, the Nambudiri father would not be obliged to provide for them. For the matriarchal castes in turn, Sambandams with Brahmins were a matter of prestige and social status. Thus both castes benefited by contracting Sambandam. Nambudiri-Kshatriya and Nambudiri-Nair Sambandams may also be considered morganatic marriages. While the father was of higher social status and the mother of relatively lower status, the children were still considered legitimate, although they did not inherit the titles or wealth of their fathers. Due to the majority of Nambudiri men having marital alliances with women of other castes, the number of Nambudiris rapidly dwindled
Gujrat is the cradle of civilization and the land connecting this region with Baluchistan/southern Iran up to Sumeria were full of cities and had a network of shipping routes centered at Lothal/Dwarka (gateway to India) where Krishna preached Sanatan religion-do unto others as you expect others to do unto you and his Yadava tribe prospered and traded with all these cities up to Dilmun/Sumeria, over sea and land. Sindbad the sailor a Sumerian legend carried valuable goods from India.
I don't know what you're all bickering about. But this is what it is. The R1a1 haplogroup distinctly found in some north Indian population was not found in the Rakhigarhi sample. All the other genetic clusters found in all the Indians were found. This shows that the R1a1 people moved in after the decline of IVC culture. But that doesn't mean, anyone in India directly migrated from outside after IVC because all Indians have some genetic clusters found in the genome sample in Rakhigarhi. Rakhigarhi woman was not Tamil or anything, she just didn't have R1a1 haplogroup, which is a trait shown by majority of the south Indian population. One more argument is that R1a1 had migrated out of India. This is not true. Genetic mutation history and archaeological evidence from other sites show that the earliest point of R1a1 origin is near the grasslands of Black sea. Horses were not domesticated in India and brought to India and these people brought domesticated horses. I don't know why people with R1a1 haplogroups are very annoyed with this fact. It is their history, they should be proud of it. India has had many influxes from other populations, Greeks, Mughals, Jews, Parsis etc. They're Indians as well. So in the same sense, the R1a1 were Indians too. Their descendants have a good percentage of aboriginal genetic material as well. So its not proper to call them outsiders but it is not proper to say the R1a1 were aboriginals either.
European journal of genetics said that r1 a1 has its origin in western india , and then it went into central asia and around 8000 years ago it mutated into M48
The Rakhigarhi sample was female. The R1a haplogroup is a y chromosome mutation. Females are xx. In other words, the R1a can only tell one about a patrilineal story. She was U2b. So if we want to know about her then we should look at the U2 haplogroup, and its flow to understand a matrilineal story. Saying she doesn't have R1a is basically stating that she wasn't Male. It doesn't provide us any additional information. The rest of the genetic makeup describes a clear indigenous trend since the last glacial maximum. If we're concerned about R1a, then wherever one finds the most amount of variation is likely to be the origin. Sub-continental populations have remained under sampled, but expect to see publications on the same within 12 - 18 months, as larger DBs are established.
The racist Aryan Hindus are upset because if people know it was actually THEIR ancestors who came and created a caste system over the indigenous population of India, then they can't blame Muslims for being "foreign invaders" and everybody will see through their lies.
@@NavedHusain73 I feel so pity about muslims they have made commies who are pure atheists and spit on god their allies just to oppose hindus . This Bolshevik sharia alliance is an alliance were slef respect is obliterated
@@NavedHusain73 romila thapar is now no more an adherent of aryan immigration theory . She says that we just propagated on the basis of linguistics we lacked multi disciplinary approach such as genetics , correct analysis of rig vedic Sanskrit and carbon dating
Maybe I am completely wrong, but all the facts you list up to discribe civilization seem to me not relevant. For me civilization apears where a philosophy is shared by a group of people. No philosophy, no civilization.
KEELADI TRASHES THE USELESS HINDUTUA LECTURE SERIES..INDUS SCRIPT WERE ALSO FOUND IN KEELADI EXCAVATION ALONG WITH TAMILI SCRIPT THE FIRST WRITTEN SCRIPT IN INDIA CARBON DATED AS 2900 OLD IN ADICHANALLUR. Indus is proved beyond doubt as dravidian. ALSO MANY VILLAGES NAMES IN INDUS VALLEY ARE TAKEN TO TAMIL.NADU AND STILL THERE ..JUST LIKE BRITISH TOOK THEIR CITY NAMES TO AUSTRALIA (New England. New Castle etc) and USA ( NEWYORK, NEW JERSEY)...
@Shiva Sidharth gowda i forgot to reply to one point you raised. In the book Sindhuveli Panpaattin Dravida Adithalam he explain that how Samgham literature refer to ivc.
@Shiva Sidharth gowda Gowda bhai.he is talking behalf of u. Kannada is also a archaic language derived from protodravidian . don't brand him jihadi.he is ur brother
@Shiva Sidharth gowda Sangam literature dated to 600BC-200CE . Indus valley civilization collapsed around 1800BC. Sangam literature need not necessary to mention about indus Valley civilization. Sangam literature itself mentioned oldest literature were lost in sea deluge and nature calamity. Even migration were mentioned both from north and south. And even mentioned aryan as outsider. What else you need? If literature and writing system of tamil is belong to 800- 600BC indus is only civilization closer to it's proximity.
The Indus Valley is not the precursor to the Indian civilisation… it developed separately and should not be considered as indian…but this is by far the best lecture on this topic..
Rakhigarhi add further evidence for Aryan migration or invasion theory. First, the woman skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands. 2. The argument was that there were no major gene flows from outside to India in the last 12,500 years or so because mtDNA (mother, woman) data showed no signs of it. yes most Indians have maternal gene of native dravidian. 3.But it was shown that Y-DNA (father) did indeed show major gene flows from outside into India within the last 4000 to 4,500 years or so, especially R1a which now forms 17.5% of the Indian male lineage. The reason why mtDNA data behaved differently was that Bronze Age migrations were severely sex-biased. The invaders were mostly male warriors. 3. The next argument put forward was that R1a lineages exhibited much greater diversity in India than elsewhere and, therefore, it must have originated in India and spread outward. This has been proved false because a mammoth, global study of R1a haplogroup published last year showed that R1a lineages in India mostly belong to just three subclades of the R1a-Z93 and they are only about 4,000 to 4,500 years old.
@@prashanthsjoshi1121 Hope you are literate who can read my posting carefully. Yes most Indians have maternal dna from dravidian mother and for some indians their paternal DNA from Aryans iran Moghuls, Arabs and other invaders...India is a land of dravidan and indian mother tongue is dravidians
Meyporul kural Yes, I am deeply stunned by the false propaganda made by hindutva advocates especially with regard to Indus Valley civilization. Inspite of the genetic evidence against them, they simple lack the ability to accept evidence based truth.
@@KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq if u know that ppl who write are literates u wouldn't have come up with such a dumb comment. U seem to have a low iq. It is wrong to say that Aryans came and defeated the dravidians and pushed them to south india.
@@prashanthsjoshi1121 i want to argue with only people who has wisdom and knowledge not with ignorant morons. Go today and come prepared with facts tomorrow.
All well settled agriculture dependent civilizations were destroyed by mere pastoralists who had nothing going for them except Iron Age tools and destructive cows and goats! They all are from Central Asia where they made their own homeland hell by overgrazing! Pastoral culture was big set back for human civilization! Illiterate but very aggressive people made life hell for well settled and peaceful people No archeologists had ever explored this view point. My own! Till this date pastoralists castes in north terrorize internet age civilization! Their streets are littered by their stray cows. They encroach airport, highway, hospitals schools temples house! The cowherd castes wants reservation, their number is big and ordinary Hindu can't do anything about them. They carry arms and politicians are their slaves!
Simple answer Ma'am. ...you Indus Valley Civilization isn't a Tamil Civilization. ....accept this fact or just don't spread your fake propaganda here......there are many Vedic resemblance in Indus Valley Civilization. ...and tell me about one Tamil Scripture which talk about an influx of people taking civilisation......
@@10ksubscriberswithoutvideo70 please tell me what is Indus related finding in 600BC Keezadi sir......it is related to Sangam Era and nothing to Indus....stop daydreaming mate....
According to bible god destroyed many ADAM civilization as they always multi gods by ignoring one god worship So god decided to flourished his own creation by promoting ABRAHAM's mindsets.
According to bible god destroyed many ADAM civilization as they always multi gods by ignoring one god worship So god decided to flourished his own creation by promoting ABRAHAM's mindsets.
VEDIC FRAUDS AND HINDUTUVA BARBARIS...People believe lies when they feel too vulnerable to allow the truth and its consequences to manifest in their lives. When truth does emerge, we often feel terribly betrayed and we can lose faith in our own ability to make good judgments. To protect against this pain, we sometimes continue lying to ourselves long after reality seems unavoidable. This is the real story of fraudulent vedas, hindutuva ideals and sanskrit
@@blacknighterr OUT OF AFRICA theory..all human races moved out of southern Africa...the European are more closer to Africans than asians .. Also 75% of Indian population is dravidian. Many nonvedic culture is similar to dravidians
@@blacknighterr Endaambi 🤣🤣🤣 I know you are one of those educated illiterates.. suffering with incurable illusory truth disease! You believe lies when you feel too vulnerable to allow the truth and its consequences to manifest in your life. When truth does emerge, you often feel terribly betrayed and you can lose faith in your own ability to make good judgments. To protect against this pain, you sometimes continue lying to yourselves long after reality seems unavoidable. If you read Thirukural and practice it you may be cure from the disease. The only pathyam (condition) y oi u should never wear a poonool to rub your itches..
@@blacknighterr Dae abisthu acephalous maggot..Agnihotri RAMANUJA Thathachay, an educated Brahmin Iyengar, in his book on " Engae pokirathu Hindu Matham" wrote " bramins are educated but not intelluctuals" History proved that the brahmins have contributed nothing but superstition, plagiarism (copied the works of others), cunningness and selfishness
You mean a country which was richest country in the world from 1CE to 1500 CE, and i'm not even talking before CE, because west was living in caves then , you are talking about the country on which columbus named native American, two countries in the world are named after this country west indies and Indonesia, don't think west was always great , you were nothing before 300 years and you know this, you said same thing to china, look at china now , whole europe can't defeat china . As a non indian living In india , I can tell you west is nothing infront of india
"90 kilos of gold anyways nothing but it is the wealth of knowledge"
😂😂😂 not for farmers government should declare they will give money the amount equal to the finds
Thank you, Professor Danino, for this clear and composite description of the Harappan civilization. I look forward to listening to more of your lectures.
Another excellent talk. Thank you IIT Gandhinagar for uploading his videos. We get to learn so many things from him and the best part is that he presents multiple interpretations before the audience.
Thank you Michel Danino for your wonderful lectures. The study of the Harappan civilisation gives me such faith in humanity. I have been pondering why archeologists have not found the treasures of the kind western archeology are interested in. Does it point, in this instance, to the fact that the population moved away from the site consciously, and therefore took all valuables with them. I always find it curious why we find treasures at all. In the circumstance of Egypt its often because royalty were buried with treasures; and Persepolis because of the tragic fire in which case treasures were lost under ash. But if a population migrated peacefully then all valuables would migrate with them, leaving behind only the possessions which were not deemed so important. In the Harappan sites this could be the case. If the Harappan population continued but in a different location then valuables would migrate too and metamorphose with time and the passing of generations. A population as aware and intelligent as the Harappin, I believe, would not squander or "lose" treasures. As the evidence implies that much of the Harappin culture has continued into modern India would this suggest that the civilisation did not die but metamorphosed into the Indian civilisation we see today.
Instablaster...
This kind of migration is possible indeed
The Andronovo culture, 2000bc- 1100nc, succeeding the Sintashta and Steppe cultures were brutal and barbaric warring cultures from 2000bc till 1100 bc. The IVC was very rich defenseless and within easy range and was never invaded before. A planned, early and systematic evacuation would be the wiser option to defending the 100 odd Cities and the huge population.
@ 42 mins - The reason why there were no spectacular monuments or structures like in the Egyptian context is probably because the Indus civilization predated the Egyptian by a 1,000 years. It's slowly coming to light that it may actually be the oldest civilization ( around 6,000 years compared to Egyptian -5,000). More research needs to done.
It has settlement dating back to 12000BC ,It covered more land than Egypt and mesapotomia ,Just only compare how much time taken to raise the civilization.
Excellent! Amazing! Awesome! Mind blowing! Scholarly interpretation, good voice, clear pronunciation, very good, fluent English, insightful details, etc! More such videos by this same speakers please please🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏Also good team work for good audio, light, no loud, disturbing background music, other hindrances. So an extra big THANK YOU🙏🙏🙏
This is a mind-blowing presentation. I have forwarded it far and wide.
Thank you for an amazing insight into our past.
If they had pipes and running water even on at least two story buildings, the so called "great bath" could be a water tank.
Thanks. Great encapsulation. What proportion of the cities have planned wastewater systems? seems like you implied all?
Please control the write up size and location so that the video is not masked.
Is it true that a person name Samar is mentioned in Mesopotamian record from Meluha?
Thank you sir..this is a very informative and an interesting talk on Indus civilization...especially to people who are interested in knowing about past but cannot afford time and treasure to do so..you have connected the points well and the shift of gravity from baths & granaries to town planning was very subtle yet intense
I have read his book on sarasvati..
It is quite educational.
Thanks for writing the book
Great lecture. From one IITian to you all, thanks IITGandhinagar
Awesome! Love another lecture of professor Danino.
Merci, Michel Danino! Bravo! Bravo!
I think the seals can also be used as visiting cards( type) as we use today or in the memory of some person
What do you think ''reply''
I agree, also designate places of origin, different cities/regions had their own symbols, like a passport
@@h3llo968 yas that can be possible
Sir Which site you are referring to in UP. Is it Sanoli? Very Well explained civilizational connect and expansion
Even a thousands circles around the milky ways...only...TAMIL INDUS CIVILATION STANDS OUT not any central russian SAVAGES..!
It seems a free market,advanced cultural realm. And not any kind of Federation. Possibly no govt only private organizations
It is
Can you give me the list of your Books, especially those compare Bible and Vedas?
Honestly I was expecting much more insights than just a foundation level lecture on Harrapan civilization.
Great Man... Living example of Hindu reincarnation... He is definitely a reborn Saraswati Civilization scholar or thinkers in our times🙏🙏
Karuppan (Tamil word) became Harappa// had been modified by time and usage.
Tamil civilization .
@@swamadal664 😂😂 harrapa is a punjabi word you fool,we don't know what they call to themselves.
Tamil chauvinists have a tendency to link everything to Tamils.
@@nopek1405 yeah u r right, even am from kerala, these guys tend to make each and every word of malayalam to tamil and say it came from this tamil word, 😂
@@muhammedwaseem6586 agreed, actually they take everything too far!!
One day,the will claim mars and Jupiter because they have their names of tamil origins 🤦🤣
@@nopek1405 they are really crazy about their history, they need to make their tamil culture is the first indian culture, so they are trying at the peak.
But me as a malayali is a least and the newest formed culture, so we dont know any history😅
Bahata anshumali mukhopadyay analysis of the Indus valley language is enlightening The words similar to
'pilu' ’piru' or 'pallu meaning 'teeth' tusk, ivory etc in the tamil south India languages
This video is very much interesting and I have gained the knowledge about this civilization... Thank you. But, there is a mention in the video that; Archeologists does not found any writings from these sites, just like Egypt and Mesopotamia; who were using clay slates and stone slates. Is n't it possible that Harappan Civilization may be using paper like material ("Bhojpatra" in Sanskrit) to maintain their trade accounts, etc., which could be decomposed after a long time?
Secondly, just like Egypt, Archeologists has not found any statues or monuments of rulers of Harappan Civilizations. So, can we say that; these rulers was not interested to be worshiped as god by their own people? If so; then can we say that, they were more civilized? If today some thing catastrophic happened; then say, after 10,000 or 20,000 years; who will find the statues of world leaders like Mr. Emmanuel Macron, Mr. Donald Trump, Mr. Putin or Ms. Angela Mirchel? That does not mean that; current civilization is not advance enough. Is n't it?
You are fantastic , you thought on next level .👍👍
@@amanchopra9681 🙏
@@bhaaratiya466 excellently put.
The zebu bull 'bos indicus' is not native to tamil nadu but present in the state for 2000 years and is seen clearly in the ' jallikattu' bull fighting videos.
Dr Suraj yengde a brilliant man he is ausome personality.
Excellent review of our knowledge of the Harappan Civilization.
I find it amusing how Archaeologists point out how unsure they are of some interpretations.
I imagine if you put 3 Archaeologists in a room and ask their opinion of something, you will end up with 12 opinions.
Fascinating lecture, wish the camera man stopped moving around all the time
Thank you for this
Thank You sir for the dedication to disclosing the truth.
I like how he has acquired the Indian accent. How sweet.
The word ''Meluha' in south indian can seem like. 'Mel loka' meaning 'above world'
Excellent lecture
Mind-blowing , I can't tell my experience with this lecture . Such a high & deep study . Osamm , supper 👍
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Thank you Sir for providing this important messages.
the floor tile design in Kalibangan survives to this day
His discussion on what is a civilization falls short of some rigour. When you see brick construction and even a mini-urban pattern of existence for example in archaeology, you can immediately see what level of cooperative behaviour you need to advance to that level. All the bricks made to a standard size! Cave dwellers and hunter gatherers don't need that level of interdependence. Other criteria related to crafts etc. will happen. As regards writing, there were communities of high culture, where a word of mouth promise and trust was honored - vAk even as recently as 40 years back. And memory power was strong then as well. So no if you understood Indian cultural narrative well, writing is not a requirement!
India fell down because they trusted the outsiders! Chinese did not fall, because they never trust outsiders!!
It’s fascinating to hear him.
Thank you for the inputs..to make my History class more interesting.
Thank you Sir
The Indus Valley Civilization appears to have been under threat of imminent invasion.. The response was immediate evacuation of the entire population in 1900bc. It was done successfully as no human remains have been found to confirm an invasion.
The inhabitants migrated East and South to safer parts of India and eventually mixed with local hunter gatherer populations. They make up the majority of local population today.
The Indus Valley Cities iay abandoned for 400years until European and Central Asian migrants began to settle the Indus Valley in 1500bc bringing new language religion and the Vedic culture.
Pues yo soy estudiante de historia en México y me apena mucho decir que veo el indigenismo, la leyenda negra y el odio a lo propio muy arraigados por acá. Incluso se despiertan pasiones acérrimas con la pura mención de la época virreinal y se critica y ataca a quien usa el término "virreinal" en vez de "colonial". No se dan cuenta, claro, de que el verdadero colonialismo hoy en día nos viene en forma de estas tendencias académicas totalmente importadas del pensamiento anglosajón. Se habla de la "apropiación cultural", el "blanqueamiento" y "explotación" de las culturas y tradiciones indígenas por los blancos (aquí se discrimina igualmente a blancos hispanos y no hispanos). Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con Doña Elvira, hay mucho trabajo por hacer y muchos complejos de los que debemos deshacernos.
A true sadhak of Saraswati 🙏
Wonderful presentation. Needs to be updated to with recent findings in Tamilnadu.
Thanks Danino sahab.
Namaste
Suggestions to the young lady who introduced the speaker: please drop the habit of saying aaa, aaa, aaa, in between words and sentences! 🙏😄🙏
Aaa aaa aaa aaa
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Vaivaswata manu belonged to devata clan in himalayas and spoke sanskrit. he came down and started dynasty rule in india at ayodhya.at around 6000 BC ,as per j p mittal (or 15000 BC ,if ramayana is timed as per mr.neel)
Manu's sons and their descendents were surya vamsha(dynasty) kings and spread all over north.his daughter,ila married buddha(son of chandra) of devata clan and , their descendents were chandra vamsha kashtriyas.
5 generations later,a chandra vamsha king,turvasu was ruling baluchistan. While his brothers were ruling kambhoj,gandhar,chambal,betwa,ken etc.
24 generations later ,king andhira of this turvasu dynasty lost balochistan to yavanas or to drought ? and shifted to south india.probably their language transformed from sanskrit to tamil by now or later., this would be 5000 BC or 14000 BC,as per indian historians.
He and his four sons established kingdoms in south india.this was 50 generations before lord rama .
They were kulya,chola,pandya and kerala.
Andhira and his son kulya ruled andhra pradesh.,i guess
Kerala ruled kerala.
Chola ruled chola desha
Pandya ruled his kingdom.
Probably the land mass was much bigger than present day.
Malayadwaj was the pandyan king during mahabharatha war, around 90 generations after pandya established it.
So now if south indians have some specific genes similar to people in indus valley and not found in north indians.our history explains it. Regardless of such migrations all indians are single race of sanskrit speaking vedic people from himalayan area.all indian languages including tamil evolved from sanskrit.same perfect sound and grammer and rules of poetry proves it.
European languages are not perfect,have different grammer and has no rules for poetry.
aryan and dravidian ,two race theory was some egoistic tamilian's imagination which the british saw as a fault line to divide india and they are experts at cooking up scientific data.
The baths resemble the 'pushkarinis' that we see to date in /near some temples ex: Tirumala and few more in the south (devuni kadapa). This site doesn't look like a place where people lived for ever, this looks like a pilgrimage place where people conglomerated/ area where ascetic lived and did their practices peacefully, hence no need for a military. Or this could be a place where international trade took place (traders dont do wars, they will go where their goods are protected)- the traders need protection like security people and tax collectors, who probably operated from the 'citadel' mentioned hence those big warehouses and sanitary system which was built according to a plan all in a row. Probably the real people's settlements are elsewhere still to be discovered.
Nice observation
Yes.
All over india.
This is simply part of pan indian civilisation.
West hates to admit whole india is advanced when they were cave dwelling.
Sindhu Sarawati civilisation where tablets couldn't be found, might have developed paper or similar at that time?
I wonder what his opinion is of Aryan Migration Theory?
He has rejected it outrightly
welcome to golgumbaz, South Indian
It was gods and every individual was independent king and it was swarajya, in the begening it was just garden and as time goes by they started developing house and cites when they become human. And slowly the language developed. You must understand the self ruled kings do not need a language , he is like a cell phone and he can send message to each other any where any time. the spiritual communication and spiritual power degrades and they become human kings and develop palace and language and trade and agriculture. It was told adam fell down from heaven in the bible.
what is going on with his accent
Poor guy he has even picked up an Indian accent
Why you want him to bleat like u?
mulla detected opinion rejected. Why are you always against Indians?
@@mithunkartha just read his username.
iye bhi batao ki YANMANYA ne sare shaher barbad kiye
The. Snake Catching Irula tribals of tamil nadu arr the closest dna relatives of Indus valley inhabitants. Incidentally Romul Whitaker works with them.
It is vaidik civilisation because instead of murtipuja they worship the kalash which represents hiranyagarbha ie cosmic egg from which whole universe created also the deities. You may listen vedvik channels purnakumbh video.
I m from land of five rivers 😚😚😚
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Indians r suffering for identity discussing ivc was dalit or aryans.
What has dravidarians and gingudeshis has to do with harappa anf indus civilizations???
Is out of my mind.
That is because you have no mind.
First shed down the born arrogance and hatred. Then view past events as they happened. Don’t try to twist or change anything to suit your views and desires.
Then you will become normal human being and understand everything perfectly in their true perspectives. All the best friend.
The Indus Valley people had their trading centres established there to trade with the then Sumerian and other western countries conveniently. They had come from southern region. If you wish or not the south was called Dravidam.
When the thug like uncultured people intruded the region, the peaceful life of Indus people disturbed very much. They were peace loving people and so they did not use violence to drive them out. When the uncultured hooligans came from Siberian grass land savage behaviour intolerable, the highly cultured Indus people chose to leave the area towards their homeland south.
Pandemic explains people moving to villages
Shame of Sanatanic barbarism in Kerala! Sambandham was a concubinage system primarily followed by the Nairs and Ambalavasi with Namboothiri in what is the present-day Indian state of Kerala. All of these were matrilineal communities. The custom is no longer observed. Alternate names for the system were used by different social groups and in different regions;[1] they included Pudavamuri, Pudavakoda, Vastradanam, Vitaram Kayaruka, Mangalam and Uzhamporukkuka.
During ancient times progeny out of these morganaic union where considered higher rank in caste system and had given special titles such as Nambiar in North Malabar.
Among the Nambudiri, only the eldest son was permitted to marry; this was intended to maintain the integrity of ancestral property and prevent its being divided among too many descendants (primogeniture). The remaining males contracted Sambandams with Kshatriya princesses, aristocratic Nair ladies, or from the other matriarchal castes, allowing the priestly Brahmins to cement ties with the ruling aristocracy. Since the offspring of these alliances were, as per Marumakkathayam, members of their mother's castes and families, the Nambudiri father would not be obliged to provide for them. For the matriarchal castes in turn, Sambandams with Brahmins were a matter of prestige and social status. Thus both castes benefited by contracting Sambandam. Nambudiri-Kshatriya and Nambudiri-Nair Sambandams may also be considered morganatic marriages. While the father was of higher social status and the mother of relatively lower status, the children were still considered legitimate, although they did not inherit the titles or wealth of their fathers.
Due to the majority of Nambudiri men having marital alliances with women of other castes, the number of Nambudiris rapidly dwindled
Ok you are a genius, but what does this information have to do with anything here.
@@ranjithnambiar2869 i could see your inner feeling but bistiry must be told objectively
This is good research topic must brought back in kochikose area
Gujrat is the cradle of civilization and the land connecting this region with Baluchistan/southern Iran up to Sumeria were full of cities and had a network of shipping routes centered at Lothal/Dwarka (gateway to India) where Krishna preached Sanatan religion-do unto others as you expect others to do unto you and his Yadava tribe prospered and traded with all these cities up to Dilmun/Sumeria, over sea and land. Sindbad the sailor a Sumerian legend carried valuable goods from India.
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I don't know what you're all bickering about. But this is what it is. The R1a1 haplogroup distinctly found in some north Indian population was not found in the Rakhigarhi sample. All the other genetic clusters found in all the Indians were found. This shows that the R1a1 people moved in after the decline of IVC culture. But that doesn't mean, anyone in India directly migrated from outside after IVC because all Indians have some genetic clusters found in the genome sample in Rakhigarhi. Rakhigarhi woman was not Tamil or anything, she just didn't have R1a1 haplogroup, which is a trait shown by majority of the south Indian population.
One more argument is that R1a1 had migrated out of India. This is not true. Genetic mutation history and archaeological evidence from other sites show that the earliest point of R1a1 origin is near the grasslands of Black sea. Horses were not domesticated in India and brought to India and these people brought domesticated horses. I don't know why people with R1a1 haplogroups are very annoyed with this fact. It is their history, they should be proud of it. India has had many influxes from other populations, Greeks, Mughals, Jews, Parsis etc. They're Indians as well. So in the same sense, the R1a1 were Indians too. Their descendants have a good percentage of aboriginal genetic material as well. So its not proper to call them outsiders but it is not proper to say the R1a1 were aboriginals either.
European journal of genetics said that r1 a1 has its origin in western india , and then it went into central asia and around 8000 years ago it mutated into M48
The Rakhigarhi sample was female. The R1a haplogroup is a y chromosome mutation. Females are xx. In other words, the R1a can only tell one about a patrilineal story. She was U2b. So if we want to know about her then we should look at the U2 haplogroup, and its flow to understand a matrilineal story. Saying she doesn't have R1a is basically stating that she wasn't Male. It doesn't provide us any additional information. The rest of the genetic makeup describes a clear indigenous trend since the last glacial maximum. If we're concerned about R1a, then wherever one finds the most amount of variation is likely to be the origin. Sub-continental populations have remained under sampled, but expect to see publications on the same within 12 - 18 months, as larger DBs are established.
The racist Aryan Hindus are upset because if people know it was actually THEIR ancestors who came and created a caste system over the indigenous population of India, then they can't blame Muslims for being "foreign invaders" and everybody will see through their lies.
@@NavedHusain73 I feel so pity about muslims they have made commies who are pure atheists and spit on god their allies just to oppose hindus .
This Bolshevik sharia alliance is an alliance were slef respect is obliterated
@@NavedHusain73 romila thapar is now no more an adherent of aryan immigration theory . She says that we just propagated on the basis of linguistics we lacked multi disciplinary approach such as genetics , correct analysis of rig vedic Sanskrit and carbon dating
Jay Shri Krishna.
Maybe I am completely wrong, but all the facts you list up to discribe civilization seem to me not relevant. For me civilization apears where a philosophy is shared by a group of people. No philosophy, no civilization.
KEELADI TRASHES THE USELESS HINDUTUA LECTURE SERIES..INDUS SCRIPT WERE ALSO FOUND IN KEELADI EXCAVATION ALONG WITH TAMILI SCRIPT THE FIRST WRITTEN SCRIPT IN INDIA CARBON DATED AS 2900 OLD IN ADICHANALLUR. Indus is proved beyond doubt as dravidian. ALSO MANY VILLAGES NAMES IN INDUS VALLEY ARE TAKEN TO TAMIL.NADU AND STILL THERE ..JUST LIKE BRITISH TOOK THEIR CITY NAMES TO AUSTRALIA (New England. New Castle etc) and USA ( NEWYORK, NEW JERSEY)...
@Shiva Sidharth gowda i forgot to reply to one point you raised. In the book Sindhuveli Panpaattin Dravida Adithalam he explain that how Samgham literature refer to ivc.
@Shiva Sidharth gowda Gowda bhai.he is talking behalf of u. Kannada is also a archaic language derived from protodravidian . don't brand him jihadi.he is ur brother
@Shiva Sidharth gowda Gowda bhai . U also get credit that ur ancestors r also from IVC. Don't fight with ur brother. He is of same blood of u.
So basically its a buddhist site🌛
The introductor is annoying with her...aaa aaa aaaa...
Proto Thamizh Civilization
Hahaha, proto proto, dream on
@@blacknighterr Butt hurt squatter!
@@Samteam15 Eat your own shit
@@Samteam15 Imbecile
@Shiva Sidharth gowda Sangam literature dated to 600BC-200CE . Indus valley civilization collapsed around 1800BC. Sangam literature need not necessary to mention about indus Valley civilization. Sangam literature itself mentioned oldest literature were lost in sea deluge and nature calamity. Even migration were mentioned both from north and south. And even mentioned aryan as outsider. What else you need? If literature and writing system of tamil is belong to 800- 600BC indus is only civilization closer to it's proximity.
The Indus Valley is not the precursor to the Indian civilisation… it developed separately and should not be considered as indian…but this is by far the best lecture on this topic..
It was sir
Rakhigarhi add further evidence for Aryan migration or invasion theory. First, the woman skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands.
2. The argument was that there were no major gene flows from outside to India in the last 12,500 years or so because mtDNA (mother, woman) data showed no signs of it. yes most Indians have maternal gene of native dravidian.
3.But it was shown that Y-DNA (father) did indeed show major gene flows from outside into India within the last 4000 to 4,500 years or so, especially R1a which now forms 17.5% of the Indian male lineage. The reason why mtDNA data behaved differently was that Bronze Age migrations were severely sex-biased. The invaders were mostly male warriors.
3. The next argument put forward was that R1a lineages exhibited much greater diversity in India than elsewhere and, therefore, it must have originated in India and spread outward. This has been proved false because a mammoth, global study of R1a haplogroup published last year showed that R1a lineages in India mostly belong to just three subclades of the R1a-Z93 and they are only about 4,000 to 4,500 years old.
That dna is found in all of south asians. Which means that no there was no invasion by aryans.
@@prashanthsjoshi1121 Hope you are literate who can read my posting carefully. Yes most Indians have maternal dna from dravidian mother and for some indians their paternal DNA from Aryans iran Moghuls, Arabs and other invaders...India is a land of dravidan and indian mother tongue is dravidians
Meyporul kural Yes, I am deeply stunned by the false propaganda made by hindutva advocates especially with regard to Indus Valley civilization. Inspite of the genetic evidence against them, they simple lack the ability to accept evidence based truth.
@@KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq if u know that ppl who write are literates u wouldn't have come up with such a dumb comment. U seem to have a low iq. It is wrong to say that Aryans came and defeated the dravidians and pushed them to south india.
@@prashanthsjoshi1121 i want to argue with only people who has wisdom and knowledge not with ignorant morons. Go today and come prepared with facts tomorrow.
All well settled agriculture dependent civilizations were destroyed by mere pastoralists who had nothing going for them except Iron Age tools and destructive cows and goats! They all are from Central Asia where they made their own homeland hell by overgrazing! Pastoral culture was big set back for human civilization! Illiterate but very aggressive people made life hell for well settled and peaceful people No archeologists had ever explored this view point. My own! Till this date pastoralists castes in north terrorize internet age civilization! Their streets are littered by their stray cows. They encroach airport, highway, hospitals schools temples house! The cowherd castes wants reservation, their number is big and ordinary Hindu can't do anything about them. They carry arms and politicians are their slaves!
Mike Sheth Wrong. Your point of view is just an opinion. Which is false. And not only false but bigotry.
Wow.. A deep thought
WHY ALL THIS WORTHLESS ATTEMPTS ,SIMPLY ACCEPT THE TRUTH IT IS TAMILS CIVILIZATION ,NO DRAVIDIAN EITHER
Simple answer Ma'am. ...you Indus Valley Civilization isn't a Tamil Civilization. ....accept this fact or just don't spread your fake propaganda here......there are many Vedic resemblance in Indus Valley Civilization. ...and tell me about one Tamil Scripture which talk about an influx of people taking civilisation......
@@meenishjaiswal1790 u r funny.....see about KEEZHADI and come back😆😆
Mam...ivanga ippadi thaan unmai varum orunal
@@10ksubscriberswithoutvideo70 please tell me what is Indus related finding in 600BC Keezadi sir......it is related to Sangam Era and nothing to Indus....stop daydreaming mate....
@@10ksubscriberswithoutvideo70 u r proofing yourself funny here by shoeing your propagandist ego.....
no need
According to bible god destroyed many ADAM civilization as they always multi gods by ignoring one god worship
So god decided to flourished his own creation by promoting ABRAHAM's mindsets.
According to bible god destroyed many ADAM civilization as they always multi gods by ignoring one god worship
So god decided to flourished his own creation by promoting ABRAHAM's mindsets.
Yes.
Multi gods
Or idol worship
Is only hindu maanava culture.
So we predate yours
VEDIC FRAUDS AND HINDUTUVA BARBARIS...People believe lies when they feel too vulnerable to allow the truth and its consequences to manifest in their lives. When truth does emerge, we often feel terribly betrayed and we can lose faith in our own ability to make good judgments. To protect against this pain, we sometimes continue lying to ourselves long after reality seems unavoidable. This is the real story of fraudulent vedas, hindutuva ideals and sanskrit
You seem to hold personal bias against a system, how would you understand truth with hatred ?
@@blacknighterr OUT OF AFRICA theory..all human races moved out of southern Africa...the European are more closer to Africans than asians .. Also 75% of Indian population is dravidian. Many nonvedic culture is similar to dravidians
@@KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq You must be definitely gorilla outta forest, your statement is as empty as your head
@@blacknighterr Endaambi 🤣🤣🤣 I know you are one of those educated illiterates.. suffering with incurable illusory truth disease! You believe lies when you feel too vulnerable to allow the truth and its consequences to manifest in your life. When truth does emerge, you often feel terribly betrayed and you can lose faith in your own ability to make good judgments. To protect against this pain, you sometimes continue lying to yourselves long after reality seems unavoidable.
If you read Thirukural and practice it you may be cure from the disease. The only pathyam (condition) y oi u should never wear a poonool to rub your itches..
@@blacknighterr Dae abisthu acephalous maggot..Agnihotri RAMANUJA Thathachay, an educated Brahmin Iyengar, in his book on " Engae pokirathu Hindu Matham" wrote " bramins are educated but not intelluctuals"
History proved that the brahmins have contributed nothing but superstition, plagiarism (copied the works of others), cunningness and selfishness
Hey ,,,,,,Aryan invasion theory is failed,,,, I can't stop laughing,,,,,, 😂😅🤣😂🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂 ,,,,
@@user-hp2yz9hp1l Buddha word is itself Euràsian
@@user-hp2yz9hp1l Even Prakrit is also Indò-àryàn language
@@user-hp2yz9hp1l beta sindhu ghati sabhyata ke samay tumhar bodh hua bhi tha wo khud 2700 saal pehle hua tha thoda gyan bhi rakho kaha bodh bodh laga rakha hai.
@@user-hp2yz9hp1l aur sun pali bhasa ki rachna (composition) sanskriti ke baad hui thi
how pathetic was this guy's life that he chose to become an Indian citizen.
You mean a country which was richest country in the world from 1CE to 1500 CE, and i'm not even talking before CE, because west was living in caves then , you are talking about the country on which columbus named native American, two countries in the world are named after this country west indies and Indonesia, don't think west was always great , you were nothing before 300 years and you know this, you said same thing to china, look at china now , whole europe can't defeat china . As a non indian living In india , I can tell you west is nothing infront of india
trust me you sound about yourself as you write 😆 pathetic!!
And how pathetic was your life to even watch a video about a country you hated seems like a waste of your precious time to mee
What's wrong in choosing?
He's a scholar and an author, nothing pathetic about that..
Michael danino wasn't academic persons. These cronies promotes pseudohistory, we need people like B B Lal.
Kyun.. What is your problem, what is your agenda. R u neo buddhist.
Lets start Neo buddhist propaganda🤣🤣
Ok, do you know buddha was gay ?
@@kaceobrwa7039 Buddha was from gaya ,, am from nalanda .... Budhha f**** hard his female followers at gaya 😂😂😂
@@kaceobrwa7039 do you know Brahma-saraswati was incest?