I always thought one of the main reasons we go Bork is because we are junglers and fight a lot of dragons and stuff to which 10% (or now 8%) current-health-damage lowers our kill-speed of those more than any other item. Also even if it isn't the best first item, due to people generally getting more HP, the item also gets stronger as people level up and buy health.
That is def one of the benefits of BoTRK! To keep it real, BoTRK is just an awesome item but it does have it's weaknesses (people under 50% health and no tank stats!) But it's just a different build > BotRK is awesome for damage builds and killing tanks / objs and Titanic is better for frontlining and killing squishies!
I personally really like Lethal Tempo and it got buffed in the same patch! I am confident Briar is one of the fastest Lethal Tempo Stackers in the game. AA + Q + AA + Titanic + W1 AA gives you 5 Lethal tempo stacks in about a second. (optional immediate W2 for the sixth hit to fully stack Lethal Tempo) It also does a lot of damage through BoRK because of the rapid hits. I am excited that Lethal Tempo got a buff. I am glad that more experienced Briar players also think that BoRK is still good. Question for Logan! I rarely see you ping enemy wards, making you miss out on the 5 gold bonus it gives each time and the ward time tracker it automatically places. Why don't you do it? Example: 8:35
Exactly Lethal Tempo is gas! In regards to the ping part of the comment: I don't think it's fair to say "rarely see you ping" because I missed it once! Cause then again at 8:52 I ping a ward! But alas I'm human, at 8:35 I'm trying to scout a big 2v2 win that's worth 600 gold+ so my focus is on the TOP END OF THE PLAY rather than a few gold. In League EVERY SECOND ADDS UP!
would you recommend selling boots to get a 6th item? is it build dependent? sometimes during long games it feels like im lacking damage, but I never knew what the right play was.
hey Logan i wanted to ask something, i just played a game where i got fed early and was playing well overall, I tried this new build but it didn't seem like I was doing much damage. The enemy comp didn't have that much tankyness either, am i missing something in my playstyle with the build?
hey man i discovered your channel while searching videos about briar and im enjoying the videos. Watched a lot in a short time span. Waiting for your new video. Have a nice day
Logan sometimes i need to frontline into full AP comps, in those scenarios i often buy Wits End and Spirit Visage + Mercs. But is that enough MR? In those scenarios what does the rest of the build looks like?
Do you think with the change in how ap mages now have more burst, building heart steel and spirit visage for a more tank/bruiser play style that focuses on landing a big ult and just not dying?
do you have a clip where you talk about bans? do you always ban the same champ? does it change when youre solo vs playing with a duo? also, (if it ever happens) could you show a game vs rammus?
ruclips.net/video/EcqM16ZO5kE/видео.html Here is a video specifically for Rammus I ban what is good on that respective patch, Udyr / Karthus Bans? No clip, just ban what counters you. What do YOU suck against
Sure, Dragon Souls are SUPER STRONG. In an even or small deficient game, dragon souls can be THE BIGGEST lifeline of a losing team. So, getting them is a GAME WINNER most of the time!
Nah bro we are 2 min in and this man said there is no noticeable taste difference between 2% and whole milk. EVERYTHING he has ever said is suspect now.
Hey logan I’ve been enjoying your videos for a while and you are really great, is there by any chance a video in which you explain wave control for jungling??
ayoo, why didn't you get boots when you went base at 05:10? (genuinely wanna know bc I've always assumed ms was really important for her clear/ganks etc)
Yoyoyo, at 5:10 I'm getting dragon! So I assume you're talking about 5:50 when I die? Boots are super important for Briar for sure! I'm using the magical footwear rune which gives me free boots! So, I cannot buy them I must earn them! Here is a shorturl linking to my guide where you can check out these runes! shorturl.at/DNZ4G
There's a rune called magical footwear from the inspiration tree, it makes it so that you can't buy the boots early, but you get them automatically after 12 minutes, reduced by 1 minute per every kill you get, it's good because it saves you 300 gold and gives you more movement speed than normal boots
@@EvangelineLucya oh suuuuuuure. damn of course, I didn't notice he had this rune. I've never used it with briar so I guess I didn't expect it to be that xD thankss
Hey Logan, recently I've been testing Trinity force on Briar mainly because it's a great stat stick and it gives a bit of damage because sheen can be procced multiple times in a fight and I was wondering what your thoughts are on it.
Since botrk got nerfed i believed its still okay first item but is it still best build titanic rush,sunderer sky if u skirmish and bc if they have tank you know that build that build helped me to reach master last split but since collector got i tried lethality build and also combination lethality+crit and its so great i think lethality items have more damage and also are cheaper
Yeah BorK nerfs are not that horrible, it just turned into a situational item instead of "slam this item and win the match up" type of item. Which to be fair Kraken -> Bork or Bork/BC were the most broken item combination, BorK lowers their HP with current HP damage while the other itens finish the job with armor shred/missing HP damage. I've also been watching a lot of Makkro, and a similar thing happened to Sunfire and Kaenic, they got nerfed from their OP status, and now he has a lot of flexibility in his builds
@@L0ganJGs For the titanic builds (especially on PTA) do you think you could do a video on going triforce second instead of cleaver in games where you dont need the pen as much? Basically the same stats but burstier
10% moved to 8% is a 2% reduction! Pushing the point to a “20% damage reduction” must also include the words “20% of the passives damage” because BotRK did not lose 20% damage. The base stats are the same! Although your point has value, what your point tries to do to mine, doesn’t even take itself into account!
I want him to play bronze and silver briar. I'm gold 4 but it's very different when your team doesn't rotate or help with objectives. I mean I didn't even know they should help when I do scuttle.i always end up losing both because I don't want to die to a 1v3
I completely agree with your take on botrk, but 2:04 is straight wrong. Briar has been sitting around 47% winrate in D+ for a while now. She is not fine at all. Sadly, she stomps gold and below, so riot can't buff her.
@@L0ganJGs 60% winrate just means you were first placed lower than your actual rank, so you stomped lower elo players while ranking up. You are ranking up because you are good at the game, not because Briar is strong. It's likely you would end up even higher, were you playing a meta pick. Also as you play more game into the season, you'll gravitate around 50%
@ My place rank has 0 to do with my games because MMR exists. If someone was my exact rank last split we both get reset into the same games. So, I’m playing against the same GM+ players. BIG FLAW in your formula there League of Legends is a game where numbers exist, I can’t force more damage into a situation because I want it to be there. Me being good is cool, so is everyone else I’m playing with and against. I’m able to win because Briar isn’t as bad as she is called. People like you perpetuate a narrative that she is bad, thus allowing them to play bad and blame her. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. You think she’s bad, so you let her be bad. I do agree if I played more meta champs I could be higher, but that is a nonexistent point because it’s baseless, you can’t prove that point.
@@L0ganJGs Yep. Too much synergy. There's no way you'll get out alive if you're up against a squish champion. Accumulate the passive and most likely the collector will finish. I lost them all but it's because I'm rotten bad. I'm practically the reason for the report for each bad one.
45:57 WHAT A PLAY
EVEN WHEN NO ONE BELIEVED. I STILL DIDN'T
Yeah, people are so concerned about their build instead taking the build your like and learn how to play Briar according to your play style.
TALK TO EMMMMMMMMM
"I thought I was in that fight" as he gets pushed around and kicked away like a squeaky toy xD
BRUH
The 2% milk comment is so good haha
U SEE IT
just the man to watch after a horrible loss streak
TIME 2 WIN
I feel ya bro, same. And every Logan vid = 3 wins at least
I always thought one of the main reasons we go Bork is because we are junglers and fight a lot of dragons and stuff to which 10% (or now 8%) current-health-damage lowers our kill-speed of those more than any other item.
Also even if it isn't the best first item, due to people generally getting more HP, the item also gets stronger as people level up and buy health.
That is def one of the benefits of BoTRK! To keep it real, BoTRK is just an awesome item but it does have it's weaknesses (people under 50% health and no tank stats!)
But it's just a different build > BotRK is awesome for damage builds and killing tanks / objs and Titanic is better for frontlining and killing squishies!
So now Briar have TITANIC FEET? btw Logan When would yo recommend build Ravenous Hydra?
never she already has all the lifesteal she needs its a waste to stack more
Ravenous is more for a player that enjoys it (it needs some changes to be Briars best)
But anytime you feel like you want to lifesteal up do it!
I personally really like Lethal Tempo and it got buffed in the same patch! I am confident Briar is one of the fastest Lethal Tempo Stackers in the game. AA + Q + AA + Titanic + W1 AA gives you 5 Lethal tempo stacks in about a second. (optional immediate W2 for the sixth hit to fully stack Lethal Tempo) It also does a lot of damage through BoRK because of the rapid hits.
I am excited that Lethal Tempo got a buff.
I am glad that more experienced Briar players also think that BoRK is still good.
Question for Logan!
I rarely see you ping enemy wards, making you miss out on the 5 gold bonus it gives each time and the ward time tracker it automatically places. Why don't you do it?
Example: 8:35
Exactly Lethal Tempo is gas!
In regards to the ping part of the comment:
I don't think it's fair to say "rarely see you ping" because I missed it once! Cause then again at 8:52 I ping a ward! But alas I'm human, at 8:35 I'm trying to scout a big 2v2 win that's worth 600 gold+ so my focus is on the TOP END OF THE PLAY rather than a few gold. In League EVERY SECOND ADDS UP!
29:07 how do u target champs only?
IN GAME SETTING THAT YOU MUST BIND!
@L0ganJGs thanks bro!
would you recommend selling boots to get a 6th item? is it build dependent? sometimes during long games it feels like im lacking damage, but I never knew what the right play was.
100% Sell boots for a 6th item on ALL BUILDS!
Berserkers = Zephyr
Tabis = Guardian Angel or Zhonyas
Mercs = Wits End
Is usually how I look at it!
hey Logan i wanted to ask something, i just played a game where i got fed early and was playing well overall, I tried this new build but it didn't seem like I was doing much damage. The enemy comp didn't have that much tankyness either, am i missing something in my playstyle with the build?
No clue!
If they aren’t tanky it should be doing damage LOL
Play on your burst windows and look to Q when teammates can hit a target with you!
hey man i discovered your channel while searching videos about briar and im enjoying the videos. Watched a lot in a short time span.
Waiting for your new video. Have a nice day
Appreciate your time my friend
Logan sometimes i need to frontline into full AP comps, in those scenarios i often buy Wits End and Spirit Visage + Mercs. But is that enough MR? In those scenarios what does the rest of the build looks like?
Mercs + Spirit and Steraks
Every game i learn something new. Time to use that knowledge and grind
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
Do u reccomend build lethality even with conqueror primary rune?
NO, HAIL OF BLADES BEST FOR LETHALITY
Do you think with the change in how ap mages now have more burst, building heart steel and spirit visage for a more tank/bruiser play style that focuses on landing a big ult and just not dying?
I don't think Heartsteel is the answer since it's a huge investment, but SPIRIT VISAGE EVERY GAMEEEEEEEEEE
@@L0ganJGs Kk I’ll keep playing hearts steel in norms against ad burst it’s a really fun late game tank build but I’ll drop it on comp 😊
do you have a clip where you talk about bans? do you always ban the same champ? does it change when youre solo vs playing with a duo? also, (if it ever happens) could you show a game vs rammus?
ruclips.net/video/EcqM16ZO5kE/видео.html
Here is a video specifically for Rammus
I ban what is good on that respective patch, Udyr / Karthus
Bans? No clip, just ban what counters you. What do YOU suck against
How do you feel about the HoB, Collector, sundered sky build Ive seen going around? It feels pretty good
Covered this 2 videos ago! ruclips.net/video/LeBGRZHaDH0/видео.html
Tl;dr I think it's pretty sweet
titanic hydra, kraken attack speed with lethal tempo build?
i thinked it too
maybe terminus and the item that gie you ad based on extra hp too
@@Asunaxkirthunken
IVE DONE THIS A TON, I LOVE THIS BUILD YES
Can you plz explain dragon win con? Thanks,
Sure, Dragon Souls are SUPER STRONG. In an even or small deficient game, dragon souls can be THE BIGGEST lifeline of a losing team. So, getting them is a GAME WINNER most of the time!
@@L0ganJGs so, Titanic when not facing tanks, and BorK for tanks? Same runes (PtA)? Thanks!
@@leog1676 EXACTLY!
Nah bro we are 2 min in and this man said there is no noticeable taste difference between 2% and whole milk. EVERYTHING he has ever said is suspect now.
NO DEAD ASS BUT LIKE YA ACTUALLY DEAD ASS FR THO
Just out of curiosity, did you already try something like Cleaver then Overlords?
Overlords is def better third so I've done Titanic Cleaver Overlords and liked it a lot!
Hey logan I’ve been enjoying your videos for a while and you are really great, is there by any chance a video in which you explain wave control for jungling??
MAYBE
holy guacamole i was in the stream for this one. love me some titanic gameplay
COMMON STREAM WWWWWW
1:30 "well then lock it anyway" ONLY THE REAL ONES RUN LETHALITY INTO FULL TANKS, not even that bad if ur fed actually tho
LITERALLYYYYYY
Lets say i'm a gold 3 player, do you think i can make a crit + atk speed build work?
Or bruiser is the way to go
ALL BRIAR BUILDS CAN BE PLAYED TO MASTERS
Boss can you give the jgl clear spreadsheet?
DONT HAVE, PROBABLY CAN JUST GOOGLE THO, THE ONE I HAVE IS FROM 2 SEASONS AGO
ayoo, why didn't you get boots when you went base at 05:10? (genuinely wanna know bc I've always assumed ms was really important for her clear/ganks etc)
Yoyoyo, at 5:10 I'm getting dragon! So I assume you're talking about 5:50 when I die?
Boots are super important for Briar for sure!
I'm using the magical footwear rune which gives me free boots! So, I cannot buy them I must earn them!
Here is a shorturl linking to my guide where you can check out these runes! shorturl.at/DNZ4G
There's a rune called magical footwear from the inspiration tree, it makes it so that you can't buy the boots early, but you get them automatically after 12 minutes, reduced by 1 minute per every kill you get, it's good because it saves you 300 gold and gives you more movement speed than normal boots
@@EvangelineLucya oh suuuuuuure. damn of course, I didn't notice he had this rune. I've never used it with briar so I guess I didn't expect it to be that xD thankss
@@L0ganJGs oh yeah thanks for your answer bro I didn't see it before!!
Hey Logan, recently I've been testing Trinity force on Briar mainly because it's a great stat stick and it gives a bit of damage because sheen can be procced multiple times in a fight and I was wondering what your thoughts are on it.
IT'S PRETTY GOOD, TRADITIONAL BRUISER IS JUST A BIT BETTER THO!
I've always been a titanic enjoyer bob, Briar loves health and AD and titanic gives you a lot of both
YES YES YES
good stuff. I hear Toads Factory, we jam. People crying about Briar being bad, while watching a Challenger Briar Main. CLEARLY it *is* possible lol.
THEY DONT WANNA SEEE ITTTTTTT
Bro is on top of everything🔥
YOU SEE ITTT
What if i find briar disappointing since new season and i play her HoB crit only now am i coping or am i fine ?
YOU'RE FINE, JUST LOCK IN
Is ravenous ever good?
Decent, but never perfect
Since botrk got nerfed i believed its still okay first item but is it still best build titanic rush,sunderer sky if u skirmish and bc if they have tank you know that build that build helped me to reach master last split but since collector got i tried lethality build and also combination lethality+crit and its so great i think lethality items have more damage and also are cheaper
LOOKS GOOD
Yeah BorK nerfs are not that horrible, it just turned into a situational item instead of "slam this item and win the match up" type of item. Which to be fair Kraken -> Bork or Bork/BC were the most broken item combination, BorK lowers their HP with current HP damage while the other itens finish the job with armor shred/missing HP damage.
I've also been watching a lot of Makkro, and a similar thing happened to Sunfire and Kaenic, they got nerfed from their OP status, and now he has a lot of flexibility in his builds
EXACTLYYYYYYYYY
rest in pepperonis beard. nice video
BABY FACE MONDAYYYYY
27 seconds ago, the discord is lit
YESSSSSSSSSSSS HAPPY TO HAVE YOUUUUUUUU
@@L0ganJGs For the titanic builds (especially on PTA) do you think you could do a video on going triforce second instead of cleaver in games where you dont need the pen as much? Basically the same stats but burstier
2% reduction from a 10% basis is actually a 20% damage reduction, not just 2%
10% moved to 8% is a 2% reduction!
Pushing the point to a “20% damage reduction” must also include the words “20% of the passives damage” because BotRK did not lose 20% damage. The base stats are the same!
Although your point has value, what your point tries to do to mine, doesn’t even take itself into account!
@@L0ganJGs yes we'r talking about the passive that got reduced by 20%
I want him to play bronze and silver briar. I'm gold 4 but it's very different when your team doesn't rotate or help with objectives. I mean I didn't even know they should help when I do scuttle.i always end up losing both because I don't want to die to a 1v3
LOCK IT INNNNNNN
I completely agree with your take on botrk, but 2:04 is straight wrong. Briar has been sitting around 47% winrate in D+ for a while now. She is not fine at all.
Sadly, she stomps gold and below, so riot can't buff her.
Well my friend,
I'm 60%+ winrate in Masters+ Solo queue, feel free to explain to me how Briar isn't fine?
I'm walking proof that she is fine
@@L0ganJGs 60% winrate just means you were first placed lower than your actual rank, so you stomped lower elo players while ranking up.
You are ranking up because you are good at the game, not because Briar is strong. It's likely you would end up even higher, were you playing a meta pick.
Also as you play more game into the season, you'll gravitate around 50%
@ My place rank has 0 to do with my games because MMR exists.
If someone was my exact rank last split we both get reset into the same games.
So, I’m playing against the same GM+ players. BIG FLAW in your formula there
League of Legends is a game where numbers exist, I can’t force more damage into a situation because I want it to be there.
Me being good is cool, so is everyone else I’m playing with and against. I’m able to win because Briar isn’t as bad as she is called. People like you perpetuate a narrative that she is bad, thus allowing them to play bad and blame her. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. You think she’s bad, so you let her be bad.
I do agree if I played more meta champs I could be higher, but that is a nonexistent point because it’s baseless, you can’t prove that point.
The boss Is back!
Mr Logan if you could design one Briar skin, what skin would it be?
COVEN, POOL PARTY OR BLOOD MOON
Briar buff incoming lets go
YES
The goat dropped a new vid
YESSSSSSSSS
Fun fact: whole milk is just 3% fat.
3%%%%%%%%%
Man. Collector and Shojin só Crazy trust me
SHOJIN????
@@L0ganJGs Yep. Too much synergy. There's no way you'll get out alive if you're up against a squish champion. Accumulate the passive and most likely the collector will finish.
I lost them all but it's because I'm rotten bad. I'm practically the reason for the report for each bad one.
Can you please turn down a music in the background a bit,other than that everything is great
SURE
@@L0ganJGs thank you,awesome content
i beg you try titanic>hullbreaker again lol
WHY WHATS GOING ON WITH IT
Titanic > Hulkbreaker?
YES
W vid ty
YESSSSSSSSS
Brian Griffin
HEY LOIS
"BOTRK"
YES
I see bun. I want to get scissors. No hate, just OCD.
INTERESTING
well if people cry about briar maybe she will get a buff soooo XD
TRUE, WE DONT COMPLAIN ENOUGHHHH
Titanic still does less damage than botrk imo
FACTUALLY