I always felt like blood and cheese was supposed to be the red wedding moment of the dance of the dragon but it's clear the show writers didn't have that view.
Personally, I never viewed it like that. The Red Wedding was the consequence of Robb’s decision to break his oath. Blood and Cheese was supposed to be a traumatic event for Helena given she had to choose which one of her children to die and the consequence of that would be what happens to her AFTER. Definitely would’ve had more impact if Maelor existed and if Blood and Cheese made her choose, but there’s no way I ever saw it being Red Wedding level of brutality
@@primedegea yes i 100% agree with you about the fact that they should have included maelor and made halena choose but blood and cheese was a direct consequence of the greens via aemond killing Luke thus instead of oath breaking, it was kin slaying. Also the red wedding will always be more brutal as killing multiple guests at a wedding will always be more brutal than killing a mere child but the red wedding was one of the most shocking moments of got and I expected blood and cheese to be the one of the most shocking scenes in hotd but it was quite underwhelming.
Bro kenapa semua orang selalu ekspektasi Blood & Cheese seperti Red Wedding? Ini Serial Berbeda Brouh. Bahkan dengan banyaknya Moment keren & sedih di GOT, Tetap gak akan bisa selamat gara gara endingnya
1:58 I was a little confused why blood and cheese made the mistake of killing the wrong green even when given descriptor of an eyepatch, but later remembered the show cut away from Daemon's reply when Cheese asked about a plan B 😅
Makes sense now. I mean they couldn’t find Aemon. Sounds like a Daemon thing to do for backup plan. It would been better to kill Aemond cause of the giant dragon to control but Blood and cheese was ready to get a head for money.
As someone who hasn't read the books and didn't know what was coming. I found the blood and cheese scene shocking enough. The sound of them killing the baby was enough for me
I do like Criston and Alicent’s relationship cause it shows how hypocritical they both are. The book, either Mushroom’s or the maester’s perspective is always biased towards the greens and depicts the blacks always in a bas way, but I do find it more believable with this changes specially if it’s all just a few days after Viserys’s death. Also Haelena seems to be autistic or something like that, not stoic necessarily.
@@andreascovano7742 mushroom likes spicy scandals. Greens are generally the side that use spreading rumours as their tool. His narration will be always serve greens more than blacks, because greens are source of the gossips. Even though he is clearly holds more sympathies towards Rhaenyra´s side.
Oh I believe Cole n the Queen would definitely do this. The hypocrisy of "religious straight arrow", their base desires(which they've displayed before), the stress, a warp sense of service..... With little to no one these 2 have to trust, I can them seeking each other.
For someone who has read the books I’m still satisfied of what we got from this episode. Obviously due to child laws not everything can’t be shown or done on screen that was in the books. Plus I’ve always seen Helane to be let’s just say an odd apple in the show (with her lack of emotion and dragon vision) could be seen as bad character. But her initially offering her valuables and at least saving her other child while in a mixed state of emotions does show she’s at least a good person. Let’s also not forget she’s still a teenager (I think 17 or 18) who in our society and world hasn’t graduated from high school yet has to worry about civil war, children etc
I just want to vent about how the show's framing of Blood & Cheese is all off. It's portrayed in such a way that the viewer feels as little sadness and horror as possible. Why? Because 1. In the lead-up, we follow Blood and Cheese as if they are the POV characters of this subplot. The camera follows them and we are made to feel tension as they sneak past Aegon, hoping they don't get caught. We spend a lot of time sort of being directed to see from the perspective of Blood & Cheese (if not to fully be rooting them). The lead-up doesn't build terror the way it should for such a horrific event. 2. After, Helaena just ... leaves???? It feels incredibly anti-climactic that she is allowed to basically just walk out of there. The framing here is all wrong and frankly kind of bizarre. Since Helaena can saunter out, we (the viewers) don't feel trapped in an inhuman situation, which is how Helaena must feel. Instead, the scene actually defuses tension by giving Helaena the ability to walk away. It looks like Helaena has quite a lot of freedom, agency, and safety, which is all wrong and tonally very confusing. (NOTE: this isn't about the logistics of whether Blood & Cheese would have tried to follow Helaena or prevent her from leaving. My point is about how the way it's filmed makes us feel.) 3. Then we pivot from this moment of extreme horror to Alicent/Criston, which creates even more tonal whiplash. Instead of holding an emotional beat on Helaena's and her children's agony, we transition abruptly to much more mundane feelings of awkwardness and/or annoyance over Alicent's and Criston's hypocrisy. (I actually don't think this necessarily needs to be hypocritical of either of them, but Alicent's relationship with Criston has no build-up, so again, "hypocritical" is how it's framed.) So the viewer is kind of directed to forget any feelings of anguish, horror, etc because our heads are suddenly filled with something entirely unrelated. 4. Choosing to change Alicent's role in this event from being present in the room with Helaena to fucking Criston in the next room dramatically changes how we're meant to see her. Instead of supporting her family and being a victim along with Helaena, now Alicent is actually somewhat at fault for what happened. Because Criston should have been guarding Helaena and her kids, and he wasn't because he was with Alicent. 5. This also makes the entire situation appear less clear-cut than it was in the books, where it straightforwardly a crime on the part of Daemon and co. Here, the viewer is kind of led to blame Alicent and Criston just as much as we blame Daemon. IN CONCLUSION: even though this is a horrible tragedy and monstrous act committed by Team Black, the filming and editing of the scene guides us to (a) not linger with our or Helaena's anguish over what happened, which I think is why a lot of people are saying the scene didn't feel brutal enough, and (b) sort of victim-blame the Greens.
They had no problems burning Shireen alive and hanging Olly in GoT, but its a different team and both of those scenes had a lot of backlash, so I think youre right about this
The relationship between Alicent and Criston is absolutely believable. Real people aren't self-consistent. They're hypocrites, they do stuff that seems contradictory. Alicent has already been shown to be a massive hypocrite, presenting herself as a saint before the faith while bethroting her children to one another. She indulges Larys' desires for her political goals. Now, to take back some control and feel at least some pleasure, she sleeps with Criston, because sex for her has never been about pleasure but about duty, until now. As for Criston, we already know he's an emotional wreck and an oathbreaker, and he doesn't have much of a choice in disobeying Alicent, because she can expose and execute him for sleeping with Rhaenyra at any point. Also the fact this is scandalous is probably hot for both of them.
@@sway700 no it really wasnt great. already changing too much shit from the books and its so dumb. the prince maelor and jacarys scene with blood and cheese is supposed to be a huge deal, but its just not since the scrap the younger son. and the queen acting like shes just oblivious to everything in the show vs the books is so fucking annoying.
The biggest mistake was characterizing blood and cheese so much, when their only role are to be assassins (its Daemons wrath after all) - like im glad you mentioned the dog, that ENTIRE scene should have been cut because it adds nothing but give them screen time we dont need. Also what was up with Helaena and Cheese sharing an almost intimate stare for 10 seconds and he goes "no, shes telling the truth" - ?? Im just very upset that the assassins got toned up and more character, and Helaena got toned town and showed almost NO emotion..
Good video! I also feel it's too early in some ways to really judge things properly I will say though I wish this had been a two episode premiere especially since this entire show is basically going to be dragged out over the entirety of the summer
To be honest .... it's like a ballon. When popped you expect this loud noise yet sometimes they just hiss and fly away House of the dragon blood and cheese was the ballon that flew away .... a moment you except worse yet .. was atleast satisfied with the outcome
I wanted to hear the line from the books “your mama wants you dead” and we didn’t get it also Heleana was suppose to be clutching her sons body. what happened??
I know some people didn't like the change but I think it was fine. Mushroom in the book was biased for the Greens and portrayed the Blacks as more evil than they might have actually been.
It was Helena’s reaction. Everyone has a problem with. I guess she’s on the spectrum but for her to be like a robot with zero emotions during that seems very very weird to say the least
Not everything's in the books "biased" or "difficult" to decipher. There are points in the story where all sides or narrators agree on what happened. Or something happened and everyone saw it at that time, and they changed it in the show. Laenor's death for example, in the books everyone saw him die and he did die. But the show completely changed that plot point entirely. This happens multiple times in the show. And people still chalk it off to "biased narration" even if the show changes real events that happen. It's a different universe from the books, but that doesn't mean the books aren't true and the show is correct.
I think the original version might've been a bit too much for TV. What they filmed was already incredibly disturbing (the head cutting noises were just shiver-inducing). If they did it the way it was in the books, a lot of people would tune out and not watch the show further. Besides, from an in-universe stand point, it's very likely the whole story was embellished by historians who wanted to pain Daemon as "the blackest of villains". Because who was there in the chambers to tell what happened, other than Alicent and Haelena?
I just want to vent about how the show's framing of Blood & Cheese is all off. It's portrayed in such a way that the viewer feels as little sadness and horror as possible. Why? Because 1. In the lead-up, we follow Blood and Cheese as if they are the POV characters of this subplot. The camera follows them and we are made to feel tension as they sneak past Aegon, hoping they don't get caught. We spend a lot of time sort of being directed to see from the perspective of Blood & Cheese (if not to fully be rooting them). The lead-up doesn't build terror the way it should for such a horrific event. 2. After, Helaena just ... leaves???? It feels incredibly anti-climactic that she is allowed to basically just walk out of there. The framing here is all wrong and frankly kind of bizarre. Since Helaena can saunter out, we (the viewers) don't feel trapped in an inhuman situation, which is how Helaena must feel. Instead, the scene actually defuses tension by giving Helaena the ability to walk away. It looks like Helaena has quite a lot of freedom, agency, and safety, which is all wrong and tonally very confusing. (NOTE: this isn't about the logistics of whether Blood & Cheese would have tried to follow Helaena or prevent her from leaving. My point is about how the way it's filmed makes us feel.) 3. Then we pivot from this moment of extreme horror to Alicent/Criston, which creates even more tonal whiplash. Instead of holding an emotional beat on Helaena's and her children's agony, we transition abruptly to much more mundane feelings of awkwardness and/or annoyance over Alicent's and Criston's hypocrisy. (I actually don't think this necessarily needs to be hypocritical of either of them, but Alicent's relationship with Criston has no build-up, so again, "hypocritical" is how it's framed.) So the viewer is kind of directed to forget any feelings of anguish, horror, etc because our heads are suddenly filled with something entirely unrelated. 4. Choosing to change Alicent's role in this event from being present in the room with Helaena to fucking Criston in the next room dramatically changes how we're meant to see her. Instead of supporting her family and being a victim along with Helaena, now Alicent is actually somewhat at fault for what happened. Because Criston should have been guarding Helaena and her kids, and he wasn't because he was with Alicent. 5. This also makes the entire situation appear less clear-cut than it was in the books, where it straightforwardly a crime on the part of Daemon and co. Here, the viewer is kind of led to blame Alicent and Criston just as much as we blame Daemon. IN CONCLUSION: even though this is a horrible tragedy and monstrous act committed by Team Black, the filming and editing of the scene guides us to (a) not linger with our or Helaena's anguish over what happened, which I think is why a lot of people are saying the scene didn't feel brutal enough, and (b) sort of victim-blame the Greens.
Also these book changes make everyone seem like idiots. Allicent and Rhaenryra do so many things where its like "oops it was mistake now tons are dead" when in the books they were very intentional choices. Its all over the place once you look, and here is one again - its like "whoops there are no guards haha - how do we do this? theyre up here i guess lets GOOO!!" when in the books the assassins took advantage of Helaena's habits with her children and knew where she would be. Theres so many changes like this all the way from episode one, where its all up to chance or characters look incompetent. No intention, only "whoopsie" mistakes
Few more Summer Islanders in Kings Landing in this show.. not dressed like the impressive Jalabhar Xho either? Box got ticked I suppose... however nowhere near the Disney or Amazon levels
But all what their reading was suppose to be written by the measters and what we are seeing is what really happened alicent didnt want people to know she was sleeping with sir Cristian cole so she had them put that she was tied up but ahe wasnt
The way I look at the changes is that the things happening in the show are how they actually happened, and Fire and Blood is a historical text written by two biased and unreliable sources.
I really wanted to see her forced to choose which one dies, and then them killing them killing the other, but this was still pretty amazing 😂. I still don't get how they keep forgetting Dorne isn't part of the kingdoms yet and won't be for a long time
I love George RR Martin, but Fire and Blood was a hugh waste of time. Its just the World of Ice and Fire again. Plus I have way more fun speculating the Events if Dance with the Dragons than any show adaptation. I don’t want solid answers for this story. What I do want is Winds of Winter. I just feel like these shows aren’t worth watching when the main reason I want to read is to finish the Story he had in Game of Thrones. I'm a huge fanboy, but I don’t like empty hype.
Poor execution and pacing. Blood & Cheese would've worked better if they were professionals and long time associates to Daemon. Also, they were given too much screen time for no purpose, other than to tell the viewer 'Hey, these guys are morons!' Also, I don't think we needed an in depth explanation for how Daemon's plan was constructed. Mystery in these situations is often a bonus. In theory, going after Aemond should be impossible. I feel like the writers are pushing really hard for a good side 'black' and a bad side 'green'. Also, not be be that guy 'In the books!', but... in the books, Rhaenyra receives a raven from Daemon saying: The debt shall be repaid or something along those lines, now the infamous 'A son for a son'. I think that the agency of Daemon without explanation is far more ominous and cool. P.S. I didn't even know there was hype around this scene.
That they tamed it down so that the blacks would look less evil, pushing them to be the "good guys" makes a lot of sense. That plus the actors being young is prob why they did it
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You are the first person I see in RUclips that acknowledges the dog, thank you
Hurt my feelings when he kicked the poor puppy
Ready to ride out this season again watching these, man. Here's to it.
I l liked this episode! Set the stage quite well as a season premiere. So happy HOTD is finally back.
I always felt like blood and cheese was supposed to be the red wedding moment of the dance of the dragon but it's clear the show writers didn't have that view.
I thought that it would be a couple of episodes in before it happened.
Personally, I never viewed it like that. The Red Wedding was the consequence of Robb’s decision to break his oath. Blood and Cheese was supposed to be a traumatic event for Helena given she had to choose which one of her children to die and the consequence of that would be what happens to her AFTER.
Definitely would’ve had more impact if Maelor existed and if Blood and Cheese made her choose, but there’s no way I ever saw it being Red Wedding level of brutality
@@primedegea yes i 100% agree with you about the fact that they should have included maelor and made halena choose but blood and cheese was a direct consequence of the greens via aemond killing Luke thus instead of oath breaking, it was kin slaying. Also the red wedding will always be more brutal as killing multiple guests at a wedding will always be more brutal than killing a mere child but the red wedding was one of the most shocking moments of got and I expected blood and cheese to be the one of the most shocking scenes in hotd but it was quite underwhelming.
Bro kenapa semua orang selalu ekspektasi Blood & Cheese seperti Red Wedding? Ini Serial Berbeda Brouh. Bahkan dengan banyaknya Moment keren & sedih di GOT, Tetap gak akan bisa selamat gara gara endingnya
@@0Naheed0I mean they cut his head off in the book. They could’ve given the red wedding a run for its money with the scene.
1:58
I was a little confused why blood and cheese made the mistake of killing the wrong green even when given descriptor of an eyepatch, but later remembered the show cut away from Daemon's reply when Cheese asked about a plan B 😅
Thats what happened with me too
Lol literally me ranting to myself about it this morning
Makes sense now. I mean they couldn’t find Aemon. Sounds like a Daemon thing to do for backup plan. It would been better to kill Aemond cause of the giant dragon to control but Blood and cheese was ready to get a head for money.
As someone who hasn't read the books and didn't know what was coming. I found the blood and cheese scene shocking enough. The sound of them killing the baby was enough for me
I do like Criston and Alicent’s relationship cause it shows how hypocritical they both are. The book, either Mushroom’s or the maester’s perspective is always biased towards the greens and depicts the blacks always in a bas way, but I do find it more believable with this changes specially if it’s all just a few days after Viserys’s death. Also Haelena seems to be autistic or something like that, not stoic necessarily.
>mushroom biased towards the greens
never hold an opinion ever again
@@andreascovano7742 mushroom likes spicy scandals. Greens are generally the side that use spreading rumours as their tool. His narration will be always serve greens more than blacks, because greens are source of the gossips. Even though he is clearly holds more sympathies towards Rhaenyra´s side.
*That dog was Azor Ahai*
The good boy that was promised
Could be bran warging into the dog from the future lol
Oh I believe Cole n the Queen would definitely do this.
The hypocrisy of "religious straight arrow", their base desires(which they've displayed before), the stress, a warp sense of service.....
With little to no one these 2 have to trust, I can them seeking each other.
For someone who has read the books I’m still satisfied of what we got from this episode. Obviously due to child laws not everything can’t be shown or done on screen that was in the books. Plus I’ve always seen Helane to be let’s just say an odd apple in the show (with her lack of emotion and dragon vision) could be seen as bad character. But her initially offering her valuables and at least saving her other child while in a mixed state of emotions does show she’s at least a good person. Let’s also not forget she’s still a teenager (I think 17 or 18) who in our society and world hasn’t graduated from high school yet has to worry about civil war, children etc
I just want to vent about how the show's framing of Blood & Cheese is all off. It's portrayed in such a way that the viewer feels as little sadness and horror as possible.
Why? Because
1. In the lead-up, we follow Blood and Cheese as if they are the POV characters of this subplot. The camera follows them and we are made to feel tension as they sneak past Aegon, hoping they don't get caught. We spend a lot of time sort of being directed to see from the perspective of Blood & Cheese (if not to fully be rooting them). The lead-up doesn't build terror the way it should for such a horrific event.
2. After, Helaena just ... leaves???? It feels incredibly anti-climactic that she is allowed to basically just walk out of there. The framing here is all wrong and frankly kind of bizarre. Since Helaena can saunter out, we (the viewers) don't feel trapped in an inhuman situation, which is how Helaena must feel. Instead, the scene actually defuses tension by giving Helaena the ability to walk away. It looks like Helaena has quite a lot of freedom, agency, and safety, which is all wrong and tonally very confusing. (NOTE: this isn't about the logistics of whether Blood & Cheese would have tried to follow Helaena or prevent her from leaving. My point is about how the way it's filmed makes us feel.)
3. Then we pivot from this moment of extreme horror to Alicent/Criston, which creates even more tonal whiplash. Instead of holding an emotional beat on Helaena's and her children's agony, we transition abruptly to much more mundane feelings of awkwardness and/or annoyance over Alicent's and Criston's hypocrisy. (I actually don't think this necessarily needs to be hypocritical of either of them, but Alicent's relationship with Criston has no build-up, so again, "hypocritical" is how it's framed.) So the viewer is kind of directed to forget any feelings of anguish, horror, etc because our heads are suddenly filled with something entirely unrelated.
4. Choosing to change Alicent's role in this event from being present in the room with Helaena to fucking Criston in the next room dramatically changes how we're meant to see her. Instead of supporting her family and being a victim along with Helaena, now Alicent is actually somewhat at fault for what happened. Because Criston should have been guarding Helaena and her kids, and he wasn't because he was with Alicent.
5. This also makes the entire situation appear less clear-cut than it was in the books, where it straightforwardly a crime on the part of Daemon and co. Here, the viewer is kind of led to blame Alicent and Criston just as much as we blame Daemon.
IN CONCLUSION: even though this is a horrible tragedy and monstrous act committed by Team Black, the filming and editing of the scene guides us to (a) not linger with our or Helaena's anguish over what happened, which I think is why a lot of people are saying the scene didn't feel brutal enough, and (b) sort of victim-blame the Greens.
This was a really good episode. I have no idea why so many people are complaining about it.
They piss themselves crying whenever a line is changed from the book
The production team wasn't allowed to expose those child actors to a book accurate blood and cheese scene.
They had no problems burning Shireen alive and hanging Olly in GoT, but its a different team and both of those scenes had a lot of backlash, so I think youre right about this
The relationship between Alicent and Criston is absolutely believable. Real people aren't self-consistent. They're hypocrites, they do stuff that seems contradictory. Alicent has already been shown to be a massive hypocrite, presenting herself as a saint before the faith while bethroting her children to one another. She indulges Larys' desires for her political goals. Now, to take back some control and feel at least some pleasure, she sleeps with Criston, because sex for her has never been about pleasure but about duty, until now. As for Criston, we already know he's an emotional wreck and an oathbreaker, and he doesn't have much of a choice in disobeying Alicent, because she can expose and execute him for sleeping with Rhaenyra at any point. Also the fact this is scandalous is probably hot for both of them.
you said it best "it was fine"
Yup, best way to describe it
Everyone in these comments won’t accept anything less than perfection god damn. It was a great episode
@@sway700 no it really wasnt great. already changing too much shit from the books and its so dumb. the prince maelor and jacarys scene with blood and cheese is supposed to be a huge deal, but its just not since the scrap the younger son. and the queen acting like shes just oblivious to everything in the show vs the books is so fucking annoying.
Seriously why did Cheese kick the dog? It was so uncalled for
To demonstrate what he was capable of next.
Cause he just got manhandled so he wanted to do it something smaller.
Fuck the dog
us and re-use in cinema "this is the bad guy"
helping cut off the head of a child is also uncalled for lmao
The biggest mistake was characterizing blood and cheese so much, when their only role are to be assassins (its Daemons wrath after all) - like im glad you mentioned the dog, that ENTIRE scene should have been cut because it adds nothing but give them screen time we dont need. Also what was up with Helaena and Cheese sharing an almost intimate stare for 10 seconds and he goes "no, shes telling the truth" - ?? Im just very upset that the assassins got toned up and more character, and Helaena got toned town and showed almost NO emotion..
Good video! I also feel it's too early in some ways to really judge things properly I will say though I wish this had been a two episode premiere especially since this entire show is basically going to be dragged out over the entirety of the summer
From the moment they made it 8 episodes I knew something was wrong
To be honest .... it's like a ballon. When popped you expect this loud noise yet sometimes they just hiss and fly away
House of the dragon blood and cheese was the ballon that flew away .... a moment you except worse yet .. was atleast satisfied with the outcome
I wanted to hear the line from the books “your mama wants you dead” and we didn’t get it also Heleana was suppose to be clutching her sons body. what happened??
blood and cheese was so over hyped
I know some people didn't like the change but I think it was fine. Mushroom in the book was biased for the Greens and portrayed the Blacks as more evil than they might have actually been.
It was Helena’s reaction. Everyone has a problem with. I guess she’s on the spectrum but for her to be like a robot with zero emotions during that seems very very weird to say the least
Not everything's in the books "biased" or "difficult" to decipher. There are points in the story where all sides or narrators agree on what happened. Or something happened and everyone saw it at that time, and they changed it in the show. Laenor's death for example, in the books everyone saw him die and he did die. But the show completely changed that plot point entirely. This happens multiple times in the show. And people still chalk it off to "biased narration" even if the show changes real events that happen. It's a different universe from the books, but that doesn't mean the books aren't true and the show is correct.
@@Normthemmafighter we’ll have to put you in that situation and see how responsive you are when fear sets in
@@MR_Nosy_Otter1 That's....what you take from the comment, really?
@@kjkenzy5835 that's what i take from people mornicly critiquing this scene without thinking it out.
I think the original version might've been a bit too much for TV. What they filmed was already incredibly disturbing (the head cutting noises were just shiver-inducing). If they did it the way it was in the books, a lot of people would tune out and not watch the show further. Besides, from an in-universe stand point, it's very likely the whole story was embellished by historians who wanted to pain Daemon as "the blackest of villains". Because who was there in the chambers to tell what happened, other than Alicent and Haelena?
I just want to vent about how the show's framing of Blood & Cheese is all off. It's portrayed in such a way that the viewer feels as little sadness and horror as possible.
Why? Because
1. In the lead-up, we follow Blood and Cheese as if they are the POV characters of this subplot. The camera follows them and we are made to feel tension as they sneak past Aegon, hoping they don't get caught. We spend a lot of time sort of being directed to see from the perspective of Blood & Cheese (if not to fully be rooting them). The lead-up doesn't build terror the way it should for such a horrific event.
2. After, Helaena just ... leaves???? It feels incredibly anti-climactic that she is allowed to basically just walk out of there. The framing here is all wrong and frankly kind of bizarre. Since Helaena can saunter out, we (the viewers) don't feel trapped in an inhuman situation, which is how Helaena must feel. Instead, the scene actually defuses tension by giving Helaena the ability to walk away. It looks like Helaena has quite a lot of freedom, agency, and safety, which is all wrong and tonally very confusing. (NOTE: this isn't about the logistics of whether Blood & Cheese would have tried to follow Helaena or prevent her from leaving. My point is about how the way it's filmed makes us feel.)
3. Then we pivot from this moment of extreme horror to Alicent/Criston, which creates even more tonal whiplash. Instead of holding an emotional beat on Helaena's and her children's agony, we transition abruptly to much more mundane feelings of awkwardness and/or annoyance over Alicent's and Criston's hypocrisy. (I actually don't think this necessarily needs to be hypocritical of either of them, but Alicent's relationship with Criston has no build-up, so again, "hypocritical" is how it's framed.) So the viewer is kind of directed to forget any feelings of anguish, horror, etc because our heads are suddenly filled with something entirely unrelated.
4. Choosing to change Alicent's role in this event from being present in the room with Helaena to fucking Criston in the next room dramatically changes how we're meant to see her. Instead of supporting her family and being a victim along with Helaena, now Alicent is actually somewhat at fault for what happened. Because Criston should have been guarding Helaena and her kids, and he wasn't because he was with Alicent.
5. This also makes the entire situation appear less clear-cut than it was in the books, where it straightforwardly a crime on the part of Daemon and co. Here, the viewer is kind of led to blame Alicent and Criston just as much as we blame Daemon.
IN CONCLUSION: even though this is a horrible tragedy and monstrous act committed by Team Black, the filming and editing of the scene guides us to (a) not linger with our or Helaena's anguish over what happened, which I think is why a lot of people are saying the scene didn't feel brutal enough, and (b) sort of victim-blame the Greens.
First to take the black 🖤
Also these book changes make everyone seem like idiots. Allicent and Rhaenryra do so many things where its like "oops it was mistake now tons are dead" when in the books they were very intentional choices. Its all over the place once you look, and here is one again - its like "whoops there are no guards haha - how do we do this? theyre up here i guess lets GOOO!!" when in the books the assassins took advantage of Helaena's habits with her children and knew where she would be. Theres so many changes like this all the way from episode one, where its all up to chance or characters look incompetent. No intention, only "whoopsie" mistakes
I havent read the books, so I thought that boy would be a decoy. 😮
I prefer book version.
underwhelming start to the season
Few more Summer Islanders in Kings Landing in this show.. not dressed like the impressive Jalabhar Xho either? Box got ticked I suppose... however nowhere near the Disney or Amazon levels
But all what their reading was suppose to be written by the measters and what we are seeing is what really happened alicent didnt want people to know she was sleeping with sir Cristian cole so she had them put that she was tied up but ahe wasnt
Unlike this great channel, Blood and Cheese was disappointing, as watch The Wall scene. Hope the season gets better.
I’m glad they change the scene. Something about kids or animals getting killed makes me sick. I can’t handle it.
Blood and Cheese are the greatest characters to come out of the head of George r r Martin. #DeadMonkey
:o
weird youtube didnt recomend me this video are they shadowbanning you?
Oh boy. Things will get ugly....
Feet time 😂
Why the hell do they keep changing things😩😫😫
The way I look at the changes is that the things happening in the show are how they actually happened, and Fire and Blood is a historical text written by two biased and unreliable sources.
Blood and cheese was trash
I really wanted to see her forced to choose which one dies, and then them killing them killing the other, but this was still pretty amazing 😂. I still don't get how they keep forgetting Dorne isn't part of the kingdoms yet and won't be for a long time
They aren’t forgetting. The targaryens are arrogant and call themselves king of rhoynar even though Dorne isn’t under their control.
@@deldel5204 i don't think they were using that title before or after this time period though, until Dorne actually joined
@@sufianabuahmad7781 no they were, Aegon the conqueror is the one who started it
WC!!!!!
I love George RR Martin, but Fire and Blood was a hugh waste of time. Its just the World of Ice and Fire again. Plus I have way more fun speculating the Events if Dance with the Dragons than any show adaptation. I don’t want solid answers for this story. What I do want is Winds of Winter. I just feel like these shows aren’t worth watching when the main reason I want to read is to finish the Story he had in Game of Thrones. I'm a huge fanboy, but I don’t like empty hype.
Poor execution and pacing.
Blood & Cheese would've worked better if they were professionals and long time associates to Daemon.
Also, they were given too much screen time for no purpose, other than to tell the viewer 'Hey, these guys are morons!'
Also, I don't think we needed an in depth explanation for how Daemon's plan was constructed. Mystery in these situations is often a bonus.
In theory, going after Aemond should be impossible.
I feel like the writers are pushing really hard for a good side 'black' and a bad side 'green'.
Also, not be be that guy 'In the books!', but... in the books, Rhaenyra receives a raven from Daemon saying: The debt shall be repaid or something along those lines, now the infamous 'A son for a son'. I think that the agency of Daemon without explanation is far more ominous and cool.
P.S.
I didn't even know there was hype around this scene.
That they tamed it down so that the blacks would look less evil, pushing them to be the "good guys" makes a lot of sense. That plus the actors being young is prob why they did it
Way better to just do discussion videos now and review videos until it's all done.
That dog kick was some bullshit! Made me so mad!
It played out very smartly imo. They could have only adapted and filmed it the way and it be allowed to air even tho 'It's not TV. It's HBO' 😊
The episode was very underwhelming
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The dialogues in this first episodes were very underwhelming, just like most of season one
WHY DO THE CHANGE FROM THE FOOKIN BOOKS MAN.
theyre changing too much from the books and its making me dislike the show. too much and ill just not be interested