6:49 failure to fire... 6:53 bolt stuck... 6:58 selector switched to safe. Regardless of the following events, it was still inoperable and called "dead" prior to the mistake with the safety. Sad to see as I also own one, but that's how it goes.
@@Militaryarmschannel Hi MAC hope you are doing well, I am in the market and undecided on a cz scorpion or an AP5. If you could have only one which one would you have? 🤔
Mine has been with me for several years without a flaw. Never had a feeding problem so far. Of course, I don't plan to run mine through all those hazards since I am not going to war or similar situations. You take care of your weapon and it will respond. This test has not changed my mind about my ol' reliable Scorpion.
Exactly. The VP9 and the Beretta both didn't do all that great. They did pretty good, but not what I expected. Nonetheless, I still love my Beretta's, and still want a VP9. These videos are just fun to watch.
Part of this result was MAC user error. As a few commenters have pointed out, you can't pull the bolt back with the safety on. The Scorpion getting "stuck" was user error.
Wow! I have over 5k rounds through mine (mostly suppressed) and have run it absolutely filthy and red hot. Never had a single failure of any kind. It is the only gun I own (outside of my glock 19 which has far fewer rounds through it) that has never had a failure. I have recommended this gun to countless friends and family based on this reliability. The results of this are very surprising to me. Thanks for the vid! O.o
The added backpressure from my suppressor does seem to help the bolt bust through heavy fouling. Of course, a lot of that fouling also comes from running suppressed. I've found that if I put a few drops of CLP into the blast chamber of the can prior to shooting the last few rounds of a range session, that oil gets aerosolized and sprayed back into the action at high pressure. It's almost a self-cleaning system.
Sucks to see this in the CZ Scorpion but it’s nice to know that a Canteen of water will get it up and running again. Now I’m curious how all the other PCC will preform. Especially the expensive ones that more then double in price.
Yes I definitely need to see the MPX next. Followed by the APC9 and if MAC is wild enough an SP5. As of now I still love my micro Scorpion, Stribog is too ugly. MPX is trash in my experience. But if the APC9 Pro handles better it’ll further add to the excuses I need to buy one. DO IT MAC !
@@rifleshooterchannel208 yeah I believe you have a half truth there. But I believe if Americans would be able to exercise our second amendment. To its fullest extent the way our founding fathers intended. Your opinion on the subject wouldn’t be the same. In my honest opinion I believe PCC should be fully automatic. Most PCC are designed to be full auto not semi auto.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I see their usefulness in one situation; if you are more comfortable running a pistol caliber than a rifle caliber for home defense and also want to use a suppressor. You are a lot more prone to run into reliability issues suppressing a handgun than a PCC.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 You see people on forums and video comments talk about using pistol over rifle due to over penetration concerns all the time. If you are talking FMJ, rifles absolutely penetrate further than pistol, you can see that in any ballistic gel test, and a lot of people use FMJ for everything for some reason. Whether it's a valid concern, I'm not going to debate that one way or another, it does no good. I personally use a handgun for home defense for only one reason, I have young kids and it's easier to secure a handgun at the bed side than a rifle.
Oh man, that really stinks! was looking like it was going to do very well. The Scorpion's still an awesome little platform. Thanks for resuming your Gaunlet testing Tim!
Read the other comments regarding the "stuck" bolt issue. It was a case of user error rather than a failure of the firearm. The test needs to be re-run.
@@Totemparadox he’s not lying. The bolt was obviously stuck but when he took the mag out it came loose. He had the safety on which prevented him from opening it all the way. Either way it would probably get stuck again in the mud.
@@trey6892 Tagged comment. "6:49 failure to fire... 6:53 bolt stuck... 6:58 selector switched to safe. Regardless of the following events, it was still inoperable and called "dead" prior to the mistake with the safety."
It would help if he also understood how the firearm operates. After the firing pin is dropped and the safety is on, it has some type of breach safety that doesn't let the bolt cycle. You have to select fire and then the bolt will cycle again. It's odd, but he obviously didn't read up on it.
A few years ago I had friends that had one and their scorpions were constantly having failure to feed issues. Now with the PSA mags we haven't had problems.
Funny how some guns have destroyed reputations solely because of magazines. The AR-7, 1911s, and even Hi-Point have soured a lot of people when they have cheap magazines.
@@Stevarooni To be fair to those people with the Hi-Point, if you had money to buy better mags, you could just get a better gun that comes with 2-3 mags out of the box that's not a Hi-Point.
@@christianarrington6492 when looking at these gauntlet tests a big issue with hammer fired guns is that gunk can get behind the hammer and make the gun inoperable
@@borkwoof696 very true. The kicker being that I can clear that debris far more easily than having to get sand out of my striker channel. Also I've found the worst of conditions are best remedied by a hammer being down and carrying my secondary in condition 3. Operationally there is also certain practices like holding the slide closed as well as double trigger pull that makes DA/SA so common among the world's SOF.
I own a Scorpion and I appreciate you running 1 thru ur tests. Like u mentioned the tests r for entertainment, but it is good to know what it can or can't do
Another good video MAC, good info. As a psa for those who don't know, if the hammer is down and the safety is on will not allow the bolt to retract. Causing the dead result
This is exactly what I had expected. To me the scorpion was a conceptual weapon that failed military trials but received alot of attention for its ergonomics and rate of fire in its M1 configuration. So they made the S1 configuration to sell to the civilian market as a toy/range/competition weapon in a then vacant PCC market.
@@mikewilliams719 well yeah. But the scorpion is a horrible smg that showed extreme reliability issues due to its fit and finish and out of control fire rate.
I was a little surprised with the gauntlet failure too but it went through the elementals test with ease and that’s more of a realistic scenario so not to disappointing
For some reason it wasn't surprising to me. I love my scorpion, it shoots 3 MOA at 100, but it seems that a small amount of dust after rolling around in the woods was slowing it down.
I believe the test is valid and disappointed in its performance as it is my primary home defense gun (SBR with can) but this doesnt remove it from my system just gives me info and verification that it is not a military firearm but a civilian gun meant to be taken care of but not abused thank you @militaryarmschannel for the video I know ammo is hard to source so videos are harder to do now
Unless your home is completely flooded with sand, dirt and mud... I think you'll be fine. It's my primary Home defense as well. Need to get a can for it.
If I ever fall into a river and get out and then fall into some sand, and then I also fall in some dirt , followed by some mud, I want you to know that the sober me would have kept going back to the water. Also, this is why you use a sling.
I've only recently got a scorpion, haven't shot it yet. But I only recently learned about the safety thing. Seems it's been addressed in comments and the video. Keep up the videos.
Oh how the Scorpion EVO lovers are going to blaze on this one. LOL I will definitely have to check out the comment section here after it goes live to the general public.
I have the rifle version. But, it's all relative. For one, I know I'm never going to fun mine like Tim does. All I do is take it to the range, shoot a couple of rounds (minimum 100), then put it back in the safe. So, its all good.
@@PolenarTactical 100% agree. I love CZ and the Scorpion is a blast to shoot but the AK-V is just as much fun and more reliable. I have zero complaints about my PSA GF3, so it really looks like the AK-V will be my PCC of choice.
All guns to some extent, but particularly with the Scorpion I guarantee the type of lube makes a big difference. Would be great if you factored that into The Gauntlet...
Mac after the firing pin is dropped and safety is on it has a breech safety that u need to select fire position to get the bolt to cycle again..what you did was exactly what you needed to NOT do lol...redo it
@@danielkerry8219 Yes he did try opening the bolt with the safety off, but as soon as he took the mag. out and switched the firearm to safe, he was able to retract the bolt back just a little bit until he felt it hitting a "wall." So if he had it on fire he might've been able to continue the testing.
I knew it wasn't good for the gun but i didn't realize just how bad it was but when i bought my cz it came with that little bit of lube from the factory and i didn't lube or clean it till i had over a 1000 rounds through it. Very bad thing to do i know but now im 2.5k rounds through and still have yet to have any kind of failure. Obviously i don't put it in mud but this gun id trust with my life
I sold mine for two reasons, one is the selector switch, yes there are after market options. The factory grip angle sucks. Recoil is way higher than a well tuned m4.
Everyone saying user error.... How the hell did you clearly not see he tried charging it both while the safety was on, and while the safety was off. It is as clear as the sun is bright. Check your eyes. 6:18 and on both mag in and out while on safety and bolt stuck trying to charge. 7:00 and on after mag dropped, it is on safety and bolt stuck.
During the test, before he says "she's dead" it is in fact a malfunction of the gun. At 6:49 you hear the hammer drop, and the bolt still is stuck due to malfunction (safety is still off). However, the "wall" at 7:20 is a mechanical design of the gun. Since the hammer dropped at 6:49 it has not been charged and is STILL in the dropped position. When the Scorpion has the hammer dropped and the safety is engaged, you can not charge the weapon. So yes, it did fail during the test, but at the very end of the test (7:07 onward) the bolt is not stuck for anything other than the purposeful design of the scorpion. I don't believe it would have gone into battery even had he disabled the safety and cycled it (as we saw in the post-test where he struggled to pull the bolt back when the safety wasn't engaged), and I don't think the test is invalidated, I am just saying that there is one instance of user error present in the video.
@@maxthornton5301 yeah Mac and these people seem not to notice that or care. When he removed the mag and he was trying to charge it it was working but wouldn’t go back due to it being on safe. Even if he would have moved on to the mud it probably would have got stuck anyways. Him saying he had no user error tho is kinda silly lol. He didn’t notice it stuff happens no need to ignore it tho
I still love my Scorpion SBR with Omega 9k it's got about 3k rds threw it with zero malfunctions in normal civilian use at the range the test is great and surprising but it doesn't change my mind about how much I like mine
I own one, thankfully the scorpion isn't a weapon that I would use in any scenario where sand, water and dirt would be a factor. For me the scorpion would be best suited for clearing rooms and close quarters city/suburban fighting
Please add a cold, freezing element. Many operators live in cold climates where -10 F and greater is not uncommon. For example, need a reliable firearm when winter backpacking in the wilderness. Submerge in water for several minutes and leave in the freezer for 2 hours before testing.
It obviously malfunctioned and would have malfunctioned again in the mud anyway. I cracked up so much at @7:18 if you own a scorpion you would know why.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I wouldn't say it did poorly. It made it thru the first part flawlessly and stopped at the second to the last stage.
when the comment section is more entertaining than the vid above, lul the fanboyism is so strong on this vid. You all realize that this is just a sample of 1 and not a representation of all CZ scorpion or CZ products.
And that this is meant to in other words break the gun. Them bois be acting like they are going to role around and use there guns to dig in mud or something.
I'm honestly not surprised by this. I have an Evo3 and absolutely love the thing but it has REALLY tight clearances between the bolt and the side walls of the receiver. I can imagine just a hand full of pieces of dirt getting on the bolt and causing enough friction to lock it up especially since it's already pretty difficult to charge by hand with that wall you hit about 1/3 of the way out of back (you know what I'm talking about if you have one).
Fist thing every scorpion owner should do upgrade the safety selector, because your right they suck other than that love that gun. Would of liked to see it do better...bummer. still love it
I'm not going to lie: I bought a CZ P-07 based on this test! ...I already had an SP01 so, I just needed a bit of inspiration to add more cars in my CZ train...
I think it did pretty good realistically. What would be the practical application for such a weapon? Door knocker? Range pet? Home defense? I can’t see this being anyone’s apocalypse gun and it would likely never face such harsh conditions.
Wait a second. Why the disappointment? Has he changed his mind on what constitutes a good or bad performance? It passed the elemental test with no problems at all. When MAC started doing these tests years ago he placed emphasis on the fact that the gauntlet phase was designed to make the guns fail and that he didn’t actually expect the guns to pass the gauntlet. Many of the guns have problems in the first phase of testing, just the elemental test. Namely S&W m&p, vp9, sig 320 compact and p226 legion, and most recently the stribog.
I am still waiting on a gauntlet test of an old school Smith & Wesson pistol like a 5906 or a 4506 or a 1006. Basically something from either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Gen pistols. I think think you would be pleasantly surprised at the results.
You just never know how a weapon is going to do until its tested I never thought the Sig 226 would fail but it did anyway the test was fair and the results sad help people to either purchase a good firearm or not.
Tim, about 3 years ago you posted a video of the Canik TP9 DA, stating that you had planned to run it through the Gauntlet, mainly due to its double strike functionality to see how it would fare with other striker fired guns, but still have yet to see that gun being tested. You did the SF, so whatever happened to doing DA?
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6:49 failure to fire... 6:53 bolt stuck... 6:58 selector switched to safe. Regardless of the following events, it was still inoperable and called "dead" prior to the mistake with the safety. Sad to see as I also own one, but that's how it goes.
Don't confuse facts with fiction.
This should clear things up: ruclips.net/video/0mbiMh7DblI/видео.html
In one way im disappointed. In another. I know the gun was designed for urban warfare. Not jungle warfare.
@@izzyiz810 you may be disappointed in the results but you’re probably never have it go through all that, even in an SHTF or WROL situation.
@@Militaryarmschannel Hi MAC hope you are doing well, I am in the market and undecided on a cz scorpion or an AP5. If you could have only one which one would you have? 🤔
I wish Federal would supply gun shops with ammo to put on the shelves. :(
“THE STUMP OF CHARGING”
Is this like when you smack parts to get them working again?
There are many features of the ar-15 that many modern guns take inspiration from, but sadly the dust cover isn't one of them.
People think of it like they do the forward assist, when a dust cover is a huge deal.
MAC has done dirt tests on an AR without the dust cover and the rifle still functioned fine. So has InRange, I believe.
@@Murphy82nd true, but I still think it adds value without having a downside
Not even just that, the AR15 is a extremely sealed platform even with the dust cover open.
@ your mother had the first dust cover
Mine has been with me for several years without a flaw. Never had a feeding problem so far. Of course, I don't plan to run mine through all those hazards since I am not going to war or similar situations. You take care of your weapon and it will respond. This test has not changed my mind about my ol' reliable Scorpion.
Exactly. The VP9 and the Beretta both didn't do all that great. They did pretty good, but not what I expected. Nonetheless, I still love my Beretta's, and still want a VP9. These videos are just fun to watch.
Hahaahahhahaahahhahah
Part of this result was MAC user error. As a few commenters have pointed out, you can't pull the bolt back with the safety on. The Scorpion getting "stuck" was user error.
Yeah. I was stupid and broke the charging handle the first day because of this...
@@IronsitePistols lol, I'm guessing this is a joke. Otherwise we have very different definitions of "complicated."
@@IronsitePistolsYou cant cycle the AK47 bolt with the safety lever down too. Is that also a "complicated pos"?
Except for the fact that he tried twice to get the bolt open with the safety off, and it wouldn't open without using some kind of tool for leverage
@@StevanLHarrington You mean up
Surprising indeed. I love my EVO but it definitely showed a weakness. Thanks for doing these, MAC!
"Stump of charging " lmfao love it.
Wow! I have over 5k rounds through mine (mostly suppressed) and have run it absolutely filthy and red hot. Never had a single failure of any kind. It is the only gun I own (outside of my glock 19 which has far fewer rounds through it) that has never had a failure. I have recommended this gun to countless friends and family based on this reliability.
The results of this are very surprising to me. Thanks for the vid! O.o
The added backpressure from my suppressor does seem to help the bolt bust through heavy fouling. Of course, a lot of that fouling also comes from running suppressed. I've found that if I put a few drops of CLP into the blast chamber of the can prior to shooting the last few rounds of a range session, that oil gets aerosolized and sprayed back into the action at high pressure. It's almost a self-cleaning system.
Sucks to see this in the CZ Scorpion but it’s nice to know that a Canteen of water will get it up and running again. Now I’m curious how all the other PCC will preform. Especially the expensive ones that more then double in price.
Triple the price and fuck the magazines 60$ each and try and find! The scorpion is definitely blue collar!
Yes I definitely need to see the MPX next. Followed by the APC9 and if MAC is wild enough an SP5.
As of now I still love my micro Scorpion, Stribog is too ugly. MPX is trash in my experience. But if the APC9 Pro handles better it’ll further add to the excuses I need to buy one. DO IT MAC !
@@rifleshooterchannel208 yeah I believe you have a half truth there. But I believe if Americans would be able to exercise our second amendment. To its fullest extent the way our founding fathers intended. Your opinion on the subject wouldn’t be the same. In my honest opinion I believe PCC should be fully automatic. Most PCC are designed to be full auto not semi auto.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I see their usefulness in one situation; if you are more comfortable running a pistol caliber than a rifle caliber for home defense and also want to use a suppressor. You are a lot more prone to run into reliability issues suppressing a handgun than a PCC.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 You see people on forums and video comments talk about using pistol over rifle due to over penetration concerns all the time. If you are talking FMJ, rifles absolutely penetrate further than pistol, you can see that in any ballistic gel test, and a lot of people use FMJ for everything for some reason. Whether it's a valid concern, I'm not going to debate that one way or another, it does no good. I personally use a handgun for home defense for only one reason, I have young kids and it's easier to secure a handgun at the bed side than a rifle.
Oh man, that really stinks! was looking like it was going to do very well. The Scorpion's still an awesome little platform. Thanks for resuming your Gaunlet testing Tim!
Read the other comments regarding the "stuck" bolt issue. It was a case of user error rather than a failure of the firearm. The test needs to be re-run.
@@JohnDoe-zl6qw ruclips.net/video/0mbiMh7DblI/видео.html Stop lying.
@@Totemparadox he’s not lying. The bolt was obviously stuck but when he took the mag out it came loose. He had the safety on which prevented him from opening it all the way. Either way it would probably get stuck again in the mud.
@@trey6892 Tagged comment. "6:49 failure to fire... 6:53 bolt stuck... 6:58 selector switched to safe. Regardless of the following events, it was still inoperable and called "dead" prior to the mistake with the safety."
Scorpion owners : REDO REDO REDO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
"This is how you shoot your self in the face" T-shirt?
No hate. I still love my scorpion. Thanks for the video Tim and team.
I have one and have never had a malfunction, but I've also never dropped it in sand and water.
It would help if he also understood how the firearm operates. After the firing pin is dropped and the safety is on, it has some type of breach safety that doesn't let the bolt cycle. You have to select fire and then the bolt will cycle again. It's odd, but he obviously didn't read up on it.
@@jmart03is He declared the gun dead before he put it on safe. ruclips.net/video/0mbiMh7DblI/видео.html
I wouldn’t say it did poorly.. the gauntlet is pretty hard test. A lot of guns before failed at the beginning..
A few years ago I had friends that had one and their scorpions were constantly having failure to feed issues. Now with the PSA mags we haven't had problems.
Funny how some guns have destroyed reputations solely because of magazines. The AR-7, 1911s, and even Hi-Point have soured a lot of people when they have cheap magazines.
@@Stevarooni To be fair to those people with the Hi-Point, if you had money to buy better mags, you could just get a better gun that comes with 2-3 mags out of the box that's not a Hi-Point.
I was also hoping for better, but I'm going to buy one anyway. I don't need a reason why because 'Murica.
We need to see the Arex Delta in the gauntlet. See if their striker pistol is as "durable" as their Da/Sa gun.
Doubtful being that DA/SA handguns are notoriously more reliable than their strikerfire counterparts
@@christianarrington6492 are they though?
@@borkwoof696 Absolutely! Strikerfired weapons handle harsh conditions well universally but certain DA/SA platforms are almost unstoppable.
@@christianarrington6492 when looking at these gauntlet tests a big issue with hammer fired guns is that gunk can get behind the hammer and make the gun inoperable
@@borkwoof696 very true. The kicker being that I can clear that debris far more easily than having to get sand out of my striker channel. Also I've found the worst of conditions are best remedied by a hammer being down and carrying my secondary in condition 3. Operationally there is also certain practices like holding the slide closed as well as double trigger pull that makes DA/SA so common among the world's SOF.
Next test should be MP5 then Ruger 9mm carbine and finally a KRISS Vector.
I own a Scorpion and I appreciate you running 1 thru ur tests. Like u mentioned the tests r for entertainment, but it is good to know what it can or can't do
Another good video MAC, good info. As a psa for those who don't know, if the hammer is down and the safety is on will not allow the bolt to retract. Causing the dead result
This is exactly what I had expected. To me the scorpion was a conceptual weapon that failed military trials but received alot of attention for its ergonomics and rate of fire in its M1 configuration. So they made the S1 configuration to sell to the civilian market as a toy/range/competition weapon in a then vacant PCC market.
A PCC will always be nothing more than a Range toy. Now an SMG...that is a completely different animal.
@@mikewilliams719 well yeah. But the scorpion is a horrible smg that showed extreme reliability issues due to its fit and finish and out of control fire rate.
I was a little surprised with the gauntlet failure too but it went through the elementals test with ease and that’s more of a realistic scenario so not to disappointing
Now do a B&T APC, I love mine and like to see if it can get through the gauntlet fine
Yes, the gauntlet is back.
For some reason it wasn't surprising to me. I love my scorpion, it shoots 3 MOA at 100, but it seems that a small amount of dust after rolling around in the woods was slowing it down.
Yeah I had mine outside for a few minutes and I feel like the strong wind really did a number on it. Kinda disappointing.
I love mine you’re right about that safety just get the safety delete kit and then it’s perfect
Thanks for taking the time and making these fun vids. You should do the Kriss victor next.
I have a scorpion and love it. One of my favorite guns now that I have put a binary trigger, angled foregrip, and tail hook brace on it
I believe the test is valid and disappointed in its performance as it is my primary home defense gun (SBR with can) but this doesnt remove it from my system just gives me info and verification that it is not a military firearm but a civilian gun meant to be taken care of but not abused thank you @militaryarmschannel for the video I know ammo is hard to source so videos are harder to do now
@ oh I haven't lost confidence just wont abuse it
Unless your home is completely flooded with sand, dirt and mud... I think you'll be fine. It's my primary Home defense as well. Need to get a can for it.
@@jonlong2663 sometimes when I open the front door a rush of wind blows in. Do you think that would affect it? I’m thinking of buying one
If I ever fall into a river and get out and then fall into some sand, and then I also fall in some dirt , followed by some mud, I want you to know that the sober me would have kept going back to the water. Also, this is why you use a sling.
I've only recently got a scorpion, haven't shot it yet. But I only recently learned about the safety thing. Seems it's been addressed in comments and the video.
Keep up the videos.
Oh how the Scorpion EVO lovers are going to blaze on this one. LOL
I will definitely have to check out the comment section here after it goes live to the general public.
Especially with the AKV-9 performing so well
@@PolenarTactical exactly. It will probably get very interesting.
Don't bother me. I don't plan on rolling the sand with mine. It's a damn fun gun to shoot.
I have the rifle version. But, it's all relative. For one, I know I'm never going to fun mine like Tim does. All I do is take it to the range, shoot a couple of rounds (minimum 100), then put it back in the safe. So, its all good.
@@PolenarTactical 100% agree. I love CZ and the Scorpion is a blast to shoot but the AK-V is just as much fun and more reliable. I have zero complaints about my PSA GF3, so it really looks like the AK-V will be my PCC of choice.
We need these videos so bad right now! Well done & appreciated. B&T’s next please Tim
Good data point! Glad to see more of these tests.
Seems like a good argument for adding the second charging handle to the other side. Thanks Tim!
It passed the element test with no failures, thats all any gun should be expected to do.
All guns to some extent, but particularly with the Scorpion I guarantee the type of lube makes a big difference. Would be great if you factored that into The Gauntlet...
It is about time. I missed these gauntlet videos!!
Only thing that made me re-subscribe tbh..Once he stopped I got bored and said ✌️Lol 🤷♂️
Guys your scorpion is still a good gun. This is just for fun
Wow I’m surprised the blowback design did not push it through the test. Good info thanks tim
Glad to see the Gauntlet Test make its return.
Mac after the firing pin is dropped and safety is on it has a breech safety that u need to select fire position to get the bolt to cycle again..what you did was exactly what you needed to NOT do lol...redo it
That was a good catch
You do realize that he tried more than once with the safety off right? There really isn't a reason to redo it.
Did you not see him trying with the safety off??? He put the safety on right after he tried it watch again
@@danielkerry8219 Yes he did try opening the bolt with the safety off, but as soon as he took the mag. out and switched the firearm to safe, he was able to retract the bolt back just a little bit until he felt it hitting a "wall." So if he had it on fire he might've been able to continue the testing.
@@shacacoora it doesn’t matter, he pulled it back with it on fire and was stuck, end of test. This is a firearm I own not just watch videos on all day
I knew it wasn't good for the gun but i didn't realize just how bad it was but when i bought my cz it came with that little bit of lube from the factory and i didn't lube or clean it till i had over a 1000 rounds through it. Very bad thing to do i know but now im 2.5k rounds through and still have yet to have any kind of failure. Obviously i don't put it in mud but this gun id trust with my life
I sold mine for two reasons, one is the selector switch, yes there are after market options. The factory grip angle sucks. Recoil is way higher than a well tuned m4.
Everyone saying user error....
How the hell did you clearly not see he tried charging it both while the safety was on, and while the safety was off.
It is as clear as the sun is bright. Check your eyes.
6:18 and on both mag in and out while on safety and bolt stuck trying to charge.
7:00 and on after mag dropped, it is on safety and bolt stuck.
During the test, before he says "she's dead" it is in fact a malfunction of the gun. At 6:49 you hear the hammer drop, and the bolt still is stuck due to malfunction (safety is still off). However, the "wall" at 7:20 is a mechanical design of the gun. Since the hammer dropped at 6:49 it has not been charged and is STILL in the dropped position. When the Scorpion has the hammer dropped and the safety is engaged, you can not charge the weapon. So yes, it did fail during the test, but at the very end of the test (7:07 onward) the bolt is not stuck for anything other than the purposeful design of the scorpion. I don't believe it would have gone into battery even had he disabled the safety and cycled it (as we saw in the post-test where he struggled to pull the bolt back when the safety wasn't engaged), and I don't think the test is invalidated, I am just saying that there is one instance of user error present in the video.
@@maxthornton5301 yeah Mac and these people seem not to notice that or care. When he removed the mag and he was trying to charge it it was working but wouldn’t go back due to it being on safe. Even if he would have moved on to the mud it probably would have got stuck anyways. Him saying he had no user error tho is kinda silly lol. He didn’t notice it stuff happens no need to ignore it tho
Sounds like we need a do over.
I know you did a review of the Sig MPX Copperhead and I'd like to see it put to the test! I hope it doesn't disappoint like the Scorpion did!
I still love my Scorpion SBR with Omega 9k it's got about 3k rds threw it with zero malfunctions in normal civilian use at the range the test is great and surprising but it doesn't change my mind about how much I like mine
I have a scorpion as well and absolutely adore the thing but I just went with the carbine one so I dont have to deal with a tax stamp
Worked fine. Love mine.
I own one, thankfully the scorpion isn't a weapon that I would use in any scenario where sand, water and dirt would be a factor. For me the scorpion would be best suited for clearing rooms and close quarters city/suburban fighting
So glad to see the gauntlet test back!
great to have the Gauntlet back!
MP5! MP5! Or whatever the semi- version is
Please do a test on the Hk MR762, Scar 17, and maybe even the fn ps90
Saw the follow up video first, then came here. Oh boy this is gonna be good.
Finally another one!! Feels like it’s been 5 years since we’ve seen these test
Enjoy these video! Thanks for doing these.
I'm just here for the comments.
Please add a cold, freezing element. Many operators live in cold climates where -10 F and greater is not uncommon. For example, need a reliable firearm when winter backpacking in the wilderness.
Submerge in water for several minutes and leave in the freezer for 2 hours before testing.
If it gets that cold, my butt isn't leaving the house. From NC where it rarely gets below freezing.
Black Hawk International Security DO NOT ATTACK RUSSIA DURING WINTER!!!! ALL NON RUSSIANS ARE FOOLS FOR HAVING TRIED THIS!
He did a cold test a while back with several platforms all in the same video.
It obviously malfunctioned and would have malfunctioned again in the mud anyway. I cracked up so much at @7:18 if you own a scorpion you would know why.
I'm very surprised. It seems like a pretty well sealed system.
Good morning! Love these tests y'all do Bro.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I wouldn't say it did poorly. It made it thru the first part flawlessly and stopped at the second to the last stage.
Love seeing the gauntlet tests again!
First thing i did was replace the safety lever.... went to the AK style... Nice !!!
when the comment section is more entertaining than the vid above, lul
the fanboyism is so strong on this vid. You all realize that this is just a sample of 1 and not a representation of all CZ scorpion or CZ products.
And that this is meant to in other words break the gun. Them bois be acting like they are going to role around and use there guns to dig in mud or something.
@@Flako92 Exactly! I've never understood this! How often does the average gun owner go jumping around in mud holes?
@@pliskenx51mm83 yeah shits dumb. Worse case you drop it in dirty water lol.
I have literally never heard one bad thing about CZ. Wish i had gotten one before everybody realized how great they are.
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I'm honestly not surprised by this. I have an Evo3 and absolutely love the thing but it has REALLY tight clearances between the bolt and the side walls of the receiver. I can imagine just a hand full of pieces of dirt getting on the bolt and causing enough friction to lock it up especially since it's already pretty difficult to charge by hand with that wall you hit about 1/3 of the way out of back (you know what I'm talking about if you have one).
Glad to see gauntlet tests aren't just for carry pistols. Let's see more assault rifles
I MISS these vids!
Fist thing every scorpion owner should do upgrade the safety selector, because your right they suck other than that love that gun. Would of liked to see it do better...bummer. still love it
I'm not going to lie: I bought a CZ P-07 based on this test! ...I already had an SP01 so, I just needed a bit of inspiration to add more cars in my CZ train...
The scorpion destroyer:
The Camel Spider 😎🕷
...and when a gun company runs with the idea, it better do better in the gauntlet.
Sold my micro to get a tp9. This video makes me even happier about my decision
I think the Jericho would do pretty well in the gauntlet test.
That water test tho! lol
I think it did pretty good realistically. What would be the practical application for such a weapon? Door knocker? Range pet? Home defense? I can’t see this being anyone’s apocalypse gun and it would likely never face such harsh conditions.
Surprised you haven't done this over 5 years ago Mac.
Oh and also, you are correct Mac, that safety absolutely sucks, if you buy one of these things you have got to swap the safety out
Wait a second. Why the disappointment? Has he changed his mind on what constitutes a good or bad performance? It passed the elemental test with no problems at all. When MAC started doing these tests years ago he placed emphasis on the fact that the gauntlet phase was designed to make the guns fail and that he didn’t actually expect the guns to pass the gauntlet. Many of the guns have problems in the first phase of testing, just the elemental test. Namely S&W m&p, vp9, sig 320 compact and p226 legion, and most recently the stribog.
I thought it would do better too. Still looks really cool though!!
"she's starting to act up already". Lol. After it had been filled with water and sand.
really like this series, thanks
Looking forward to you testing the B&T 9mm and more so the B&T 10mm!!
Love these, keep em coming!
I am still waiting on a gauntlet test of an old school Smith & Wesson pistol like a 5906 or a 4506 or a 1006. Basically something from either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Gen pistols. I think think you would be pleasantly surprised at the results.
I’m surprised by the outcome of the test considering how well CZ’s usually do. I’m keeping my scorpion though because it’s so dang fun
I've been needing a new gauntlet test in my life
Run an AR and/or Ar pistol through the Gauntlet!!
That's why you replace the safety with an HBI AK style or delete.
You should do a review on the new updated one. I think it’s called a micro.
You just never know how a weapon is going to do until its tested I never thought the Sig 226 would fail but it did anyway the test was fair and the results sad help people to either purchase a good firearm or not.
Awesome! Love these vids. Thanks
Tim, about 3 years ago you posted a video of the Canik TP9 DA, stating that you had planned to run it through the Gauntlet, mainly due to its double strike functionality to see how it would fare with other striker fired guns, but still have yet to see that gun being tested. You did the SF, so whatever happened to doing DA?
Do the CMMG Banshee in 9mm please! :)
This gauntlet confirms and affirms why I will not buy this expensive weapon! Thanks for the confirmation Tim. 👍🏽
Two by two, hands of blue! 😱
Do the APC9k Pro next PLZ
Do the gauntlet test with the PSA AKV, Tim!!