12:25 explanation on why napoleonic has a lower starting experience. It was because during the napoleonic wars, Napoleon had to rely more and more on inexperienced conscripts to fight battles because all his veterans were either dead or retired.
Name of the country: EMPIRE of Brazil The modifier: perpetual defender What it does: ImMA bE MoRE dEmOCraTiC I mean, it makes sense that it doesn't have the best buffs considering how easy it is to form, but it doesn't make sense to have this buff to an empire
Except the Romans literally beat the Carthaginians at their own game later in the war, but I'll just post my response from another comment here: Apparently a quick google search says that the Romans never really invested much into their navy just simply because they didn’t have to, as the Mediterranean was basically their lake. So I guess in that sense it is believable.
For the roman empire,they get -30% naval experience since during the first punic war (I think that was it) the Romans did not know about boats do they copied carthage boats and added thier own twists tho, they were quite horrible in naval combat please correct me if I am wrong
Apparently a quick google search says that the Romans never really invested much into their navy just simply because they didn’t have to, as the Mediterranean was basically their lake. So I guess in that sense it is believable.
Isn't Persian empire way better, I once made 60m skull troppers with Persian and I didn't even have to train them, needless to say, the server wanted to die
The ones that should've been the top 3 imo are Caliphate, Persia, Roman. And I'm saying as a top 3 realistically and not ranking them based off in game.
i disagree with napoleonic empire beeing 3rd since, although it has some nice buffs that -20% mil starting exp is HUGE, sure you could train em but if ur in early game or u just have terrible economy ur gonna go in deficit, plus the main problem with it its that what if ur at war with lets say russia and hes actually decent? ur eventually gonna run out of ur "good tank ranking divisions" and then ur gonna have to spam clover tanks which is simply terrible. Ottoman empire easily better.
In a sense, the 15% ground attack helps mitigate most of the xp debuff, and it turns into a nice buff if you train your units. However that also leaves your navy weaker (which is never good). In hindsight since Frankish exists and there’s really no reason to choose Napoleonic over Frankish (they are mutually exclusive as France, and Frankish gets more cores and requires less countries) it probably should be bumped down a few ranks regardless. I’m still not a fan of the -35% political power for the Ottomans though
@@Purple-nn8id Which still takes 800 research power minimum to fully remove the debuff. It’s probably only something you would get in the late game especially as Turkey and by that point most things are trivial.
I honestly formed korea as north korea, and it was op, from making only 200k i was making millions and millions, i suggest you to conquer taiwanalso, that will boost A lot ur xp
Honestly Czechoslovakia is a good formable change my mind, easily can take over slovakia as czechia in less that 1 minute and 20 seconds, good counter to germany and poland, and there is like no other threats
Honestly the Qing dynasty is the best. And I’m not a China player, I hate it. However, I’ve never seen a lobby where the Qing dynasty is a thing, and there’s someone stronger. Qing dynasty with communism> every other formable
2024 isn't bad, but the reason why I said that is because the Arab League is like a wish version of the Caliphate and you don't need the hard places (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) to form it
How the fuck did German empire get so high when it’s by far the worst formable modifier in the game to the point where players stick to regular Germany than to form this Holy Roman Empire is a D tier Yugoslavia is by far the most busted one and should be an easy S tier
If you want to sound convincing you could at least give reasons why you disagree with me instead of just blindly stating your opinion. Also, I’m pretty sure Germany players avoid forming the empire not because the modifier is bad, but because it’s inconvenient…
Brazil should be at least B tier, as it buffs its current ideology increasing alot of its income if the Brazilian player focuses on economy, Yugoslavia also is a very gold formable as it gives 150% of resistence if you have neutrality act along with resistance tech + fortifications, also I don't agree with USSR being in C tier, it's kinda easy to form as most of the times you can form already in 2021-2022 and it's buffs are very gold for an communist nation and rich in resources like Russia, you could get communism by 2019 with liberation war with NK and force ideology in yourself, spam alot of factories and makes alot of money very fast as the building speed helps alot, it's his opinion but I feel like he left out economic buffs away along with it's countries to only rank military buffs.
@@Henrique____ 1. Brazil's ideology power modifier only gives 5.5% more tax income (which is less than Korea's btw) which is negligible. 2. Yugoslavia's resistance buff is only good when it has a large population which usually is only in the late game (also its capital only has around 1 mil people and it can't make use of the buffs well) 3. China can easily stop you from forming the USSR (although it depends on the player), and 5% ideology power for communism is really minor just like Brazil's (you get around 6% more factory output) so even though the buffs synergise well with Russia in terms of raw stats they are just really mediocre. I can see where you're coming from though, but this is what I think of the buffs.
@@TOLML 1. Form German empire if you immediately want to be a cripple for the rest of the game. After forming this, your little benefits here and there surely do not compensate 0.006 war exhaustion gain, which even under socialism/communism is difficult to shrug off. By forming this empire, you immediately throw away your rights to wage long term wars and have to go full on defense in wars waged by superpowers against you, because no matter how many troops the enemy rushes towards you, and having that happen without the possibility of counterattacking because your military is going to immediately give you 4 war exhaustion when you do will surely have you thinking about killing yourself. (Im talking about Germany players who took all the territories and would rather stay regular Germany) 2. Similar to German Empire's modifier, instead of shredding your legs off, you just break your hands instead. There is a 3% stability loss when declaring wars and a 20% government spending gain with literal dogshit stats to make up for it. Your modifier just gets in the way of itself and just basically makes you slightly less of a cripple than your German empire counterpart. 3. Yugoslavia has by far the most busted modifier in the game, it's so broken that if you just add forts to your country and upgrade your resistance, you would immediately win the game as your country is just an inpenetratable fortress. Your modifier doesn't give any negative effects either, and makes outside invasions pure cancer to anyone that tries to invade you
@@der_Hague First of all, thank you for the detailed reply. I’m glad we can have something to discuss upon. 1. The 0.006 WE gain for Germany from my experience is actually not that big of a deal. Either it slows down your war exhaustion reduction a little bit if you’re communist or it just adds a little increase to your already huge WE if you’re any other ideology. Though I will concede that it does make you reach 3 WE quicker and it is really hard to make your WE go down. However, in your aforementioned “large wars”, both sides are likely to get high WE anyway (and only communist countries are able to bounce back from this while at war) and so Germany getting 0.006 more WE really makes a negligible difference in the long run. You either suffer from war exhaustion, or you don’t because you’re communist. 2. The HRE only has -3 *base* stability, not for every war declared, which is again really insignificant. Government spending being 20% more expensive is painful, but I think the other buffs are enough to compensate for it, especially the 10% infantry attack which will be useful late game. Also you get 30% resistance which while is not as good as Yugoslavia’s 60, the HRE’s cities are much bigger and thus it is more effective at least in the early-medium game. 3. I agree that Yugoslavia has huge potential when it comes to stacking resistance bonuses, but this comes at a cost: it is a really big investment which takes a lot of time. Having your cities passively more difficult to capture is nice, but especially in the early and medium stages of the game Yugoslavia just can’t make use of it at all due to its lack of population. That being said I will concede here, and probably should have re-evaluated my score on Yugoslavia to reflect what I’ve written here.
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It's not all formable in rise of nation?
@@cat_comrade Not all formables got unique modifiers associated with them. I’m only showing the ones that did.
There’s a total of 199 formables in the game, so assuming the number doesn’t change from another update, only 148 will not have a modifier
@@The_whales Some modifiers are shared by multiple formables so the exact number isn’t 148, it’s somewhere around 140 i think
@@The_whales hyperant needs to add one (1) formable
12:25 explanation on why napoleonic has a lower starting experience. It was because during the napoleonic wars, Napoleon had to rely more and more on inexperienced conscripts to fight battles because all his veterans were either dead or retired.
And yet somehow Napoleon still beat Europe’s asses until his first exile and Waterloo
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the german empire war exhaustion increase was a ww1 reference
I like how all of Frances modifiers buff ground units
They aren’t known for their navies, just really good at ground combat thanks to napoleon
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Name of the country: EMPIRE of Brazil
The modifier: perpetual defender
What it does: ImMA bE MoRE dEmOCraTiC
I mean, it makes sense that it doesn't have the best buffs considering how easy it is to form, but it doesn't make sense to have this buff to an empire
The brazillian monarchy increased the popularity of democracy irl
Historically speaking, the Brazilian empire had a political system similar to the modern UK, despite the emperor forcibly switching the ruling party.
roman -30 naval experience is kinda iconic,carthage-roman war well uhh explains it from th start of the war
Except the Romans literally beat the Carthaginians at their own game later in the war, but I'll just post my response from another comment here:
Apparently a quick google search says that the Romans never really invested much into their navy just simply because they didn’t have to, as the Mediterranean was basically their lake. So I guess in that sense it is believable.
@@TOLML oh makes sense
Ah the Frankish Empire
I remeber when I Tried to Form it as france and Kinda Struggling
But that was very Long ago when It still Had its old flag
For the roman empire,they get -30% naval experience since during the first punic war (I think that was it) the Romans did not know about boats do they copied carthage boats and added thier own twists tho, they were quite horrible in naval combat please correct me if I am wrong
They actually outplayed the carthaginians in their own game by putting the corvus on the copied ships
once they added the corvus to their ships, they won any naval battle against Carthage
Yeah it's just that they were trash when they started using them and it took a while to add that thingy
Also the roman navy was completely destroyed by a storm that might be another factor
Apparently a quick google search says that the Romans never really invested much into their navy just simply because they didn’t have to, as the Mediterranean was basically their lake. So I guess in that sense it is believable.
so based off of the context of these, what would you assume other formables would rank
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you didn't show the buffs for holy roman empire you silly goose ehe
omg how did I mess that up lmao
I’m more surprised people haven’t pointed that out earlier
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Isn't Persian empire way better, I once made 60m skull troppers with Persian and I didn't even have to train them, needless to say, the server wanted to die
9:26 they should give u more recruitable population and -5% infantry maintanence
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The ones that should've been the top 3 imo are Caliphate, Persia, Roman.
And I'm saying as a top 3 realistically and not ranking them based off in game.
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2:19 wtf that doesn’t even make sense the Empire of Brazil was a monarchy
Ah yes, a 5 percent increase
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i disagree with napoleonic empire beeing 3rd since, although it has some nice buffs that -20% mil starting exp is HUGE, sure you could train em but if ur in early game or u just have terrible economy ur gonna go in deficit, plus the main problem with it its that what if ur at war with lets say russia and hes actually decent? ur eventually gonna run out of ur "good tank ranking divisions" and then ur gonna have to spam clover tanks which is simply terrible. Ottoman empire easily better.
In a sense, the 15% ground attack helps mitigate most of the xp debuff, and it turns into a nice buff if you train your units.
However that also leaves your navy weaker (which is never good).
In hindsight since Frankish exists and there’s really no reason to choose Napoleonic over Frankish (they are mutually exclusive as France, and Frankish gets more cores and requires less countries) it probably should be bumped down a few ranks regardless.
I’m still not a fan of the -35% political power for the Ottomans though
@@TOLML you could go around the -35% political power with technology though
@@Purple-nn8id Which still takes 800 research power minimum to fully remove the debuff. It’s probably only something you would get in the late game especially as Turkey and by that point most things are trivial.
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1 how good the buffs
2 how easy to get
3 how relevant
What about pirate empire or however its called?
It doesn’t have a modifier
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I honestly formed korea as north korea, and it was op, from making only 200k i was making millions and millions, i suggest you to conquer taiwanalso, that will boost A lot ur xp
For National Reunification can allow you to get 335 million income with core korea lol
0:52 its unfair they should buff the mongols im rioting
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You forgot to rate Australasian federation
There is actually 52 formables
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And Austria hungry empire?
Shares the same place with the Austrian Empire, they’re both literally the same formable except one requires Bosnia
Modifiers carry into new games tho, so difficulty doesn’t matter
Modifiers only apply to your current game session and the country you used to get the modifier.
Honestly Czechoslovakia is a good formable change my mind, easily can take over slovakia as czechia in less that 1 minute and 20 seconds, good counter to germany and poland, and there is like no other threats
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Persian modifaier is op
Honestly the Qing dynasty is the best. And I’m not a China player, I hate it. However, I’ve never seen a lobby where the Qing dynasty is a thing, and there’s someone stronger. Qing dynasty with communism> every other formable
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i formed the arab league at 2024 so its bad? i had to beg from Spain to give Morroco and Mauritania
2024 isn't bad, but the reason why I said that is because the Arab League is like a wish version of the Caliphate and you don't need the hard places (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) to form it
@@TOLML ah ok but i havent formed the caliphate yet though soo
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How the fuck did German empire get so high when it’s by far the worst formable modifier in the game to the point where players stick to regular Germany than to form this
Holy Roman Empire is a D tier
Yugoslavia is by far the most busted one and should be an easy S tier
If you want to sound convincing you could at least give reasons why you disagree with me instead of just blindly stating your opinion.
Also, I’m pretty sure Germany players avoid forming the empire not because the modifier is bad, but because it’s inconvenient…
Brazil should be at least B tier, as it buffs its current ideology increasing alot of its income if the Brazilian player focuses on economy, Yugoslavia also is a very gold formable as it gives 150% of resistence if you have neutrality act along with resistance tech + fortifications, also I don't agree with USSR being in C tier, it's kinda easy to form as most of the times you can form already in 2021-2022 and it's buffs are very gold for an communist nation and rich in resources like Russia, you could get communism by 2019 with liberation war with NK and force ideology in yourself, spam alot of factories and makes alot of money very fast as the building speed helps alot, it's his opinion but I feel like he left out economic buffs away along with it's countries to only rank military buffs.
@@Henrique____
1. Brazil's ideology power modifier only gives 5.5% more tax income (which is less than Korea's btw) which is negligible.
2. Yugoslavia's resistance buff is only good when it has a large population which usually is only in the late game (also its capital only has around 1 mil people and it can't make use of the buffs well)
3. China can easily stop you from forming the USSR (although it depends on the player), and 5% ideology power for communism is really minor just like Brazil's (you get around 6% more factory output) so even though the buffs synergise well with Russia in terms of raw stats they are just really mediocre.
I can see where you're coming from though, but this is what I think of the buffs.
@@TOLML
1. Form German empire if you immediately want to be a cripple for the rest of the game. After forming this, your little benefits here and there surely do not compensate 0.006 war exhaustion gain, which even under socialism/communism is difficult to shrug off. By forming this empire, you immediately throw away your rights to wage long term wars and have to go full on defense in wars waged by superpowers against you, because no matter how many troops the enemy rushes towards you, and having that happen without the possibility of counterattacking because your military is going to immediately give you 4 war exhaustion when you do will surely have you thinking about killing yourself.
(Im talking about Germany players who took all the territories and would rather stay regular Germany)
2. Similar to German Empire's modifier, instead of shredding your legs off, you just break your hands instead. There is a 3% stability loss when declaring wars and a 20% government spending gain with literal dogshit stats to make up for it. Your modifier just gets in the way of itself and just basically makes you slightly less of a cripple than your German empire counterpart.
3. Yugoslavia has by far the most busted modifier in the game, it's so broken that if you just add forts to your country and upgrade your resistance, you would immediately win the game as your country is just an inpenetratable fortress. Your modifier doesn't give any negative effects either, and makes outside invasions pure cancer to anyone that tries to invade you
@@der_Hague First of all, thank you for the detailed reply. I’m glad we can have something to discuss upon.
1. The 0.006 WE gain for Germany from my experience is actually not that big of a deal. Either it slows down your war exhaustion reduction a little bit if you’re communist or it just adds a little increase to your already huge WE if you’re any other ideology. Though I will concede that it does make you reach 3 WE quicker and it is really hard to make your WE go down. However, in your aforementioned “large wars”, both sides are likely to get high WE anyway (and only communist countries are able to bounce back from this while at war) and so Germany getting 0.006 more WE really makes a negligible difference in the long run. You either suffer from war exhaustion, or you don’t because you’re communist.
2. The HRE only has -3 *base* stability, not for every war declared, which is again really insignificant. Government spending being 20% more expensive is painful, but I think the other buffs are enough to compensate for it, especially the 10% infantry attack which will be useful late game. Also you get 30% resistance which while is not as good as Yugoslavia’s 60, the HRE’s cities are much bigger and thus it is more effective at least in the early-medium game.
3. I agree that Yugoslavia has huge potential when it comes to stacking resistance bonuses, but this comes at a cost: it is a really big investment which takes a lot of time. Having your cities passively more difficult to capture is nice, but especially in the early and medium stages of the game Yugoslavia just can’t make use of it at all due to its lack of population. That being said I will concede here, and probably should have re-evaluated my score on Yugoslavia to reflect what I’ve written here.
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