I have to wonder if they just couldn't get certain features out the door before the display's launch. Having an A13 and 64GB of memory means this display has the horsepower to become at least a decent standalone 'Apple TV' display. But some of the engineering aspects-from the non-user-serviceable power cord and mounting bracket/VESA mount-to the thickness of the display in general-are baffling. If they just took the iMac, swapped the guts for a display controller, and used an external magsafe power supply like the iMac, I think people would've been happier.
@@huggyuk storage *is* memory though, it's just non-volitile, and we have come to often use the word 'memory' for volitile RAM and 'storage' for non-volitile memory like HDDs and SSDs
I expect the reason it has this config is that is the smallest HAND die that meets the spec apple need for the HAND controler within the A13. As to why they are using an A13 apple llikly have 1000s of these that have binning issues meaning they cant use them in phones but are completely ok in a monitor (1 to 2 cpus cores with defects is not going to impact the use case here at all). Apple has used binned chips in the past in the HomePod mini getting binned Apple Watch cpus.
Considering that we are talking about an Apple product, I think it’s safe to assume that it is this way because they wanted it to be this way. These are not mistakes that could be explained by some engineers screwing up and some validations getting skipped. These are all things that would have been decided on the marketing requirements level. My best guess is that someone at Apple is really pushing for internal power supplies because they look nicer. That would explain why the Mac Studio and this display both have internal power supplies. They probably didn’t like how it would look to have three external power supplies if you had a Mac Studio with two matching displays. I suspect that the stand is both a cost saving measure and an upsell strategy. You are more likely to get the more expensive solution if you are worried that you can’t upgrade later. Is this wrong? Idk.. Maybe? In practice, I don’t think this matters as long as Apple doesn’t force you to use their displays with their computers.
Overengineered the heck out of that power supply but fogot to design a power cord that can be removed easily. Apple just likes to do one good thing at a time.
This is the AC power cable from the wall outlet unlike the iMAC Macsafe which is DC from external power supply. DC voltage is lower and it has circuitry to detect proper attached before it let the current run. You can't do that with AC from the wall outlet so you have to make the connector very strong especially when you have less than an inch to plug it in.
As an electronics engineer myself, I think the power supply is INSANE amount of over engineering for a chassis that thick, BUT that said, I LOVE IT. I've seen all sorts of low profile components but I've never seen anyone CUT INTO the board, to make them even lower in profile. I mean, the Capacitors? They're LONG AF! but they knew, if these weren't this long, they would've been fat and a design hazard. The Common mode Chokes are another highlight of the low profile design. But in some places, since the thickness allowed it, they chose to go with Through hole Diodes, which is weird, but I get that makes the work easy. Also, Current ratings might've been an issue. I know this post doesn't belong here, but maybe someone finds it as interesting as I do. :)
To me it just looks like this display and the iMac were developed by two completely different teams that didn‘t talk to each other (maybe because of secrecy shenanigans inside Apple). Otherwise I really can‘t explain the two baffling dissimilar approaches for a very similar thing.
I wonder if someone will make an open source bootloader or some sort of jailbreak that will allow an OS to run, would be interesting to see if people can hack the hardware to make proper use of that a12 chip
@@KangJangkrik it's already technically running iOS, it wouldn't take much more than a method of running a custom ipsw etc to get this running, the hard part would be creating a new bootloader
@LPF Yep. Scrap an all in one display and computer to launch a computer and a separate display that use bits (even the literal same LCD panel) from the all in one computer. I'd applaud the genius if I didn't hate the ethics haha
After seeing this I'm convinced that this design was originally going to be the new 27" iMac but then at some point, likely within the last year, they decided to go forward with the Mac Studio as the only pro-summer desktop, so as to not have them compete against each other. They then converted this into the separate Studio Display and hastily converted it to use the A13 instead of a M1 Pro or M1 Max. There is just way too much tight integration and effort here for what is really ancient display panel, this it way over engineered for what it delivers.
This is a very compelling point, and I think I could add to that: Supply chain issues. Apple seems to have avoided most of this, but I think they were unable to secure enough supply (of some component) to make this a M1 iMac. The power supply and internal design is very costly, as pointed out; if they could make this for both the possibly low-volume Studio Display _and_ the higher-volume iMac, then I think they would. But for some reason they couldn't make it, or at least release models of both the 27-inch iMac and the Mac Studio that would make sense on the market. Also: The Mac Studio looks like it was designed for Intel, with its enormous cooling, as a follow up to the trash can Mac Pro. Possibly shelved when they decided to make the current Mac Pro (and standalone display), but then pulled out again because they could smack an M1 Extreme inside. EDIT: And shelved because Intel didn't deliver on efficient CPUs that would fit the thermal envelope. Possibly also shelved because the external GPU saga is _something_. I think there has been some amazing developments within the chip team and with Rosetta 2 that actually made some products push ahead way faster, combine this with the general shortages, making the lineup and release schedule seem a bit odd.
I honestly think you're right that this is the case... Why do it the way they did other than to make a little more money? I think they were trying to turn their lemons into lemonade. I wish they made it an all in one with the M1 Max or Ultra. My 2014 Mac is on its death bed, and I'm not about to replace it with this... $4000 to 6000 dollar setup...
Yes, I agree. Maybe the A13 boards were prototype development boards just like Mac Mini Developer kit (A12Z chip), maybe they just found another way to repurpose the already in stock A13 as the only iPhone which was being sold at that point was iPhone SE 2 (2020) and now they updated it to iPhone SE 3 (2022). I guess they just didn't want to take loss on the already in stock A13, so slap it on the iMac 27inch Prototype, use it as an ISP and Audio Chip and call it a day as a monitor.
That's a real possibility, but if this iMac was going to be a "Pro Version", it would need Pro Motion to match the 14 + 16 inch Macbook Pros. I don't think they could have cooled an M1 Pro/Max with a 1000 nit 27 inch Mini LED Display. It really could have been a cost issue with Mini LED, where Apple split the cost and decided to separate the computer from the display.
@@dsdddsd4543we This! The point about mini LED (and cooling) is very interesting, also regarding potential 120 Hz and 1000 nits...? It might be the key to why this wasn't just a home run 27-inch iMac-(pro)-to-go with an awesome XDR display built in - I would love to see someone delve into the details on what components might be missing from this kind of picture (yes oh yes puns indeed). Imho, it seems like Apple might have secured a lot of M1/Ax chips but might be tight on getting some other part of the picture to line up.
iMac magsafe, iphone magsafe and macbook magsafe are all dc connectors with lower wattage, after the external power supply. In this case we are talking up to 240V ac connector, it needed to be a different beast (obviously didn’t need to be stuck).
@@FernandoAES 🤔 I heard that it has to be fixed connector so a) there is lower risk for the after shock but most of all 2) easier to get through regulations and testing 😆 I’m still surprised about this solution because, instead of packing line, they have to consider already in assembly line what kind of plugs are used in the area they ship the goods in. When you have a separate power cord they can just add it as the final accessory with localized information and packaging.
@@kperttul At least with solid state displays they don't have to manufacture different versions for northern and southern hemispheres as used to be required for collimations magnets, etc. on cathode ray tube displays to accommodate different polarity of the Earth's magnetic field. :-)
@@TheMilanMovies yes that are for sure the screws for the stand but what about the holes for a vesa mount? are they already in the back just covered by the backplate? or maybe there will be external vesa mounts which are fitting these seven screw holes i mean woul be great for people which would like to upgrade by themself without bringing the display to an apple store.
@@carholic-sz3qv …thinner power supply doesn’t just happen. The types of capacitors used for power supply are NOT that small, there has to be clever circuit design, like use several smaller capacitors to replace a big one, etc. Samsung’s miniled tv also had to redesign the power supply to fit into the chassis.
@@AaronFigFront it’s nothing that only apple alone could make, it’s a flat design so the engineering and technology/parts to make it possible, plus the latest mosfets techs makes them more efficient and smaller
Apple: Designing and producing a clever thin PSU to incorporate everything inside the chassis 😎 Also Apple: a MoUsE thAt cHaRgeS fROm tHe bOtTUm iNsTeAD Of thE TOp 🥴
My tinfoil hat theory is that the Studio Display is actually supposed to be an 27in iMac, but Apple decided nah and yoinked its M1/M1Pro chip and stuff like bluetooth / peripheral controllers and plopped back in a gimped A13 in its place.
@@chriswho12345 It looks like a pretty old project (thickness!), I think might be designed to be one of the very first ARM Mac's, even before the M1 was born. For me, this monitor looks like the missing link between an Aluminium Unibody iMac and current 24" one.
Seems like it would have been much, much easier to just sell us a 27" iMac like we have used for a decade. Now we have to spend twice as much money to get basically the same thing as we had before. Such a love-hate relationship with this company.
No, it shouldn't. And they already designed a waaay better one with the new iMacs. So why complicate simple things? No idea... Edit: apparently I missed the fact that this is direct AC. My bad. So yeah...as much as we'd like it, that wouldn't have worked with a MagSafe connector.
@@pluto762 Right? It's amazing how they spent the R&D money and time to develop the connector for the iMacs, then went and did this. (Disclaimer, this was not a collection of my original thoughts, I'm pretty sure Luke and Linus expressed this realization on the WAN show, but I can't find the exact timestamp.)
@@pluto762 Exactly. And the real irony here is that they went to the hassle of engineering a new socket/cord design despite already having a slick (and much-hyped) "mag safe" solution on the iMac, so we know that the lack of user friendliness is entirely intentional. Moreover, you know who gets to foot the bill for that antagonistic R&D cost in the end...
the main improvement on this would be moving to screws to hold on the display rather than glue otherwise it is quite reparable as screens go very reparable: PCBs can all be removed easily (no glue) IO is on its own dedicated seperate boards The PowerSupply might look odd but compared to an external brick this looks much more reparable as most external bricks form almost all vendors end up being filled with glue/resign since they expect to be dropeed/kicked etc when hot so need to secure all the internals very very well, they don't have that expectation with the screen so accessing and repairing the PSU should be a LOT simpler than your typical external brick. (talking board level repair here). Or course with an external brick you can just throw it away and create more e-wast.
Repair ability is irrelevant these days. We live in a use it and replace it society. When was the last time you got your shoes fixed instead of buying new?
@@joshuaorange8290 Recently got my sued soals replaced not that expletive, here in NZ basicly every shopping centre has a shoe smith who will do it rather quickly. An external PSU with 200W+ would need a custom connector to the screen and would cost a LOT (At least $300 if not $500) to replace for that price you can get a board level repair to fix the internal PSU.
they can but they won't. So it meets their agenda of "repairs are dangerous and should only be done by us". Apple is anti-repair so they have no interest in making it safe and easy.
@@AlkaVirus repair of the power supply brick is much much harder however. This single large flat power supply that is spread over multiple boards might well be one of the easiest modern PSU designed to repair given the easy access to all the components. I don't think apple is actively anti repair that is to say they do not put extra work in to make things harder to repair they just do not consider third party repair in thier designs. (in thier eyes they don't bother 'wasting time'' considering third party repair). As to safe, im not sure any there is any way to make a PSU repair 'safe' if your repairing a PSU the nature of the function of these units means they will have large capacitors and if you skew up best case you destroy the rest of the device worst case you start a fire. Even if apple stoped designing all other products and focused on 'safe' PSU repair (not replacement but true minimal e-waist repair) they would not be able to come up with a PSU design that was safer to repair (replacing the entire PSU is not good for the env remember). Given that nature of a PSU repair (were you go in and repair it rather than replace it) I think it is a rather good thing that its not trivial to attempt. This is the sort of component that you should only be approaching if your sure about what your doing as a f'up here can lead to issues that are rather nasty.
@@popcorny007 your well aware that an external power brick of this power rating (unless It had an included fan) would be much more likly to die meaning much more e-wast over all. also this is a monitor how many monitor out there have external power bricks? To be clear It would be much better if the opted to use some screws on the case so you could open it up without needing to replace the sticky strips around the display but at this point opening an iMac is not considered difficult for a repair location, in many ways a lot simpler than opening your typical external power supply.
"Apple's power engineering team clearly put a lot of effort into this" Looking at the markings on the power supplies it would seem they are in fact designed by SoluM, a South Korea power supply company.
@@greebo7857 SoluM are not a contract manufacturer; they are a display power supply design company. Apple subcontract a significant amount of design work for many of their products. Apple will have written the spec for this power supply, that is all.
I don't believe this is the exact same display panel as the 5K iMac (stated at 2:10), they simply have the same size and resolution. It has a wider color range, better contrast, better brightness. I would be very surprised if the LCD panel had the same manufacturer model number as the iMac.
Those cutouts for the Capacitors in the PCB has been a thing for decades, Slim-LCD and LED TV manufacturers have been doing this. I've opened quite a few Sony and Panasonics and they all have the same slick PSUs in them.
If they make a bigger imac that looks like the studio display it will be just perfect. I think they can easily fit the board of m1 max chip if the put the PSU externally like the m1 imac
The Issue with putting gate PSU external is power, that magectic connection the M1 iMac users just cant provide that power levels needed. I think they would stick with internal PSU for such products were the thickness is not the ultimate goal.
They are a thing for sure but not very long cables, and the power supply in the brick would need a fan (not optimal if its sitting on the floor sucking in dust, pet hair etc).
@@hishnash i just said they could do this if they wanted to used the exact same design (which i really like). But i would also prefer it to be inside and the whole computer to be thicker
@bruh it does seem that way, but it is a bit surprising from Apple. They have the resources to design multiple competing products in parallel and only release the ones that make sense.
Well the 64GB of storage are when you take your screen along to work (every day) to use it as a external storage of course. Now you don't have to carry around a heavy USB thumb drive wou might lose on your Keychain anymore.
But why put the power supply in the monitor? It just seems that they are creating a solution for something that wasn't a problem in the first place. I personally prefer to have my power cable detachable, in case it gets pulled.
Aside the fact you now have less for the same price, this is a marvel of engineering indeed ! Too bad this is probably one of the worst Apple product in existence. They screwed us well on this one.
@Let me offer you this What if you wanted a 27in iMac with M1 ? Oh wait, you have to spend 2000$ more now. Either this screen becomes the new iMac, either they just erased one of their best product to make more money. Considering Apple, pretty sure that the latter (time will tell). So yeah, they screwed us well.
Yeah, but the Studio Display's A13 Bionic chip lacks any of the Rosetta hardware that translates x86 apps into Apple Silicon ones. Meaning Rosetta will either work very slowly, or not work at all., probably the former, but who knows. Also the very limited 64GB of storage will ruin this thing plus the 4GB of ram.
I’m guessing they tried to stick an M1 Ultra in here and cooked the computer. We had stories from last year where Apple was having trouble with the 27” iMac and diverted their engineers to make sure the M1 iMac 24” made it out the door. I think they tried to turn this into the 27” iMac and failed to find a way to properly cool that M1 Ultra and made the decision to split up the display and the computer. Thus was born the Studio Display and the Mac Studio.
@@worththewatch1517 My theory is that the Mac Studio is the result of a failed attempt to make a 27” iMac. The M1 Max version would be the replacement for the iMac while the M1 Ultra would have been the replacement for the iMac Pro. The fans and heat sink on the Mac Studio are way too big to fit in this chassis that became the Studio Display. I’m assuming the Mac Studio has what Apple intended the 27” Apple Silicon iMac to have: an M1 Max or an M1 Ultra since the 27” iMac and iMac Pro Intel versions were identical form factors. I’ll bet they could have cooled an M1 Max… maybe… but I doubt there was any way to cool an M1 Ultra in this chassis, hence a decision to split computer and monitor into two. They probably have plans for the M1 Pro, likely a Mac mini to replace the Intel Mac mini that’s still being sold.
Samsung actually does the same thing with the power supplies in their ultra thin TVs and I believe LG has as well. I've even seen neat little end caps that go over the top end of the capacitors that solder to the board instead of using glue to hold them down.
all recent jailbreaks that does not utilize a bootrom/iboot exploit (which is extremely rare) required code execution on the device in the first place so probably a long time. We don't have code execution on the display in the first place because apps is not a thing.
@@Finder245 I think your correct in that the SoC is not decoding the display port signal (why would the A13 have a display port signal decoder after all). I think it is mostly operating as a hand holding device that the computer talks to to controle backlight, camera, speakers, mic etc.
It would be cool if Apple stuck an M1 GPU inside that thing. Obviously it would be bottlenecked by that thunderbolt cable, but Apple could have stuck some M! GPU cores inside that thing, where it's just a cluster of GPU, RAM, and Encoder and decoder engines inside the studio display. The Studio Display has the cooling hardware for it, and Maybe something like a 32 core GPU, maybe even a 64 core could run in that thing to boost graphics performance for an M1 based mac. Include some memory, and Media engine blocks, and that would make for a better display
My theory is that it is an iMac. However, the cooling solution and chassy might not be able to keep the M1 Ultra, which is the headline and the selling point of the bigger macs, cool enough. It might just ran over 80-90°C. I saw MaxTech's video on this and the gigantic m1 ultra copper cooler is the one that keep the temp in an impressive low temperature. But that is a giant thicc boi of a cooling solution. If it were on the cramp iMac chassy, the cooling may not be adequate since the heat of the 5K display, and that PSU + that powerful M1 Ultra chip might be a big problem for that little space of a chassy.
So definitely no wifi? If it just had wifi this thing could have minimally been a standalone Apple TV. I get not running macOS from a A-series chip, but why not let it do Apple TV for like $3 more in hardware?
Not knowing Macs I also got it wrong because I assumed anything with active cooling has to be the computer. Who would build a display that needs a fan...
@@GeraldMMonroe brought to you by the same company, who decided it was a good idea to build a MacBook Air where the fan doesn't connect with the heat sink. GENIUS.
Most people don’t know or even care how a simple toaster works so no, they don’t know. That’s doesn’t make them dummer, they just aren’t interested in this kind of technology as we are. E.g. some are interest in biochemistry and gets this pandemic cured.
The reason it is TB3 not 4 there is not TB dock within the display, to clarify a client device (like a screen) as having TB4 port on it that device needs to support TB dasichianing otherwise it is TB3 (TB3 is TB4 but without some of these additional features). TB daisy chaining would not make sense since to power the 5k display your already using more than 1/2 of the TB bandwidth so if you attach some other TB device to it its not going to end up with much bandwidth.
@@nickthaskater true, but for a display the table of TB3 vs TB4 makes 0 difference in functionality. They could even say USB-4 it would all be the same to the end use and even at a component lavel would all be the same controler.
@@nickthaskater But you cant really use this monitor as a TB hub since the 5k signal alone uses up more than 1/2 the bandwidth. Any TB device you would plug into it would be massively limited and would have issues as to support the 5k stream the TB is put into a mode that would be very problematic when it comes to semtric bandwidth.
I still don’t understand why it needs 64gigs of storage or an iPhone 11 SoC, how it runs iOS but can’t do any of: Run tv OS Run iPad OS Run Siri/homepod OS Work with AirPlay2 Work with Universal Control Doesn’t have an Ethernet port Doesn’t have a _removAble cable_ Or magsafe for that matter Also how it is not HDR, no local dimming And still costs 1600…
It probably needs a minimum of 64gigs because it’s an A13 and rather than program it to work with less it’s probably cheaper to use storage they’d already ordered. The rest is just Apple ignorance.
The answer is: When you can mass produce them at a lower cost, and have tons in your warehouse, may as well use up the remaining inventory before ordering new batch. The costs of adjusting the software / firmware to have the SOC to recognize smaller chip may be higher than just use the 64GB chip.
It's good if Apple put tvOS there like what Samsung do to their smart monitor... Like giving access to simple access to video streaming or remote desktop is great
It in FACT supports HDR. And also does it a million times better than 99% of all these bullshit "HDR capable" monitors out there. And the brightness is also much higher than on those "HDR" monitors.
A big shout out for the clip used at 3:33, that is so funny LOL. In fact, it is no speaker vibration, just vibratory motors Mod in the monitor for FPS games.
My updated guess is Apple was planning on revising the 27" iMac but scrapped it and made it just a standard 5K display instead. This way they sell more Mac Studio+Studio Display combos which generally means more money for Apple. I think the rumored 30-32" iMac "Pro" with mini-LED is real.
So they make the iMac as thin as possible and say thats why we still have a chin, but the display they make thicker just to have the power supply inside it... Apple isn't making any sense.
@@hishnash ...but it could have been an external power brick, like the one used for the iMac. Also, 95W is not a lot of power. MacBook Pro power brick provide that and they are inside a plastic enclosure. It looks like someone at Apple wanted to avoid having an external power brick at all cost, so they sacrificed repairability, and possibly reliability for it.
@@Finder245 But the display is not just powering the Mac, it is also providing power to the screen and to the other USB ports. You could put the tin a sealed plastic box but it would be much less reparable than this power supply due to the much higher level of protection you would need to give it given it being much more likly to be dropped, kicked etc in use.
I am having a hard time trying to understand what a "monitor"/"display" is doing with iOS that isn't user accessible, the bionic chip and 64gb of storage... I feel Apple is collecting a LOT of data by using that display. I do not trust apple with all they have been doing with their products. All of their products seem to benefit them much more than their customers.
@@axethepenguin not to add to the conspiracy because I really doubt they are doing this, but they could do it the same way Smart TV manufacturers have been doing and logging what content you are watching and keeping a profile for marketing purposes. And if it has an A13, it technically does have connection to the internet through the Ultrawide Band that communicates with other iPhones (the tech inside the AirTags). The fatal flaw with this idea is that this monitor is designed to work with MacOS. What kind of additional data would they be able to get that wouldn’t be easier to get elsewhere? You’re already using their hardware and software and it even updates the firmware if it’s plugged into a Mac. Why even bother with the hassle and potential backlash? The simple answer is they probably had a bunch of binned A13s that weren’t good enough for going inside an iPhone or iPad. And they really wanted to add the camera enhancements like Center Stage to the webcam. So rather than designing a completely new chip that will take time and money to design and produce, they decided to just use old stock that they had to do the same thing.
@@ThatLaloBoy i instantly thought of the AirTag tech as well but now that you put it that way; i think the monitor might help with the VR/AR line up Apple is working on. Lots of companies use external cameras to help hand, leg & body tracking. Hololive girls use motion-tracking via webcams & sometimes iPhones to control their Avatar. and if I get a little more tin-foil hatty: It might be called the "Studio" , not for OUR studio but for Apple's "Studio". Just think of the day the first iPhone came out & the app store is kinda empty. Only those with an Apple computer could create apps. The studio line up will prob be geared to create new Apps for their VR/AR platform more effectively.
I just don’t get the extreme amount of money and time they’ve spent and the price increase accordingly, to made this include the power supply in. It’s a monitor, there is no issue of having an external power supply cable as most of their other products already do
I Legit Can't blame the people for thinking the Display is an iMac. If I saw both first time (without seeing reviews online) I would always think the display is an iMac no matter what!
Power devilry to the laptops over the TB (98W) + power delivery to each of the USB-C ports (might be 15W each) and then the panel gets to 600nits so likly uses a LOT of power itself and apple also want the power supply to run in the optimal range (power supplies become much sell optimal as you go to the top of thier rated range and produce a lot more heat).
@@hishnash > "apple also want the power supply to run in the optimal range" When you do that, you actually rate the power supply lower. When engineers are given the task to design a 200W power supply that operates at 90% efficiency at its rated output, they will design for that requirement. As a result, you will get a power supply that likely *could* do more than 200W, but it isn't rated for it. In practice, a lot of (well designed) power supplies have over current protection that is well below what they could actually supply without overheating or permanent damage.
Not really. My Acer 27 inch used 180 watts. And one of my 30-inch Cinema displays use 150watts. considering how many more pixels that thing has, how much brighter it is, and that it has a phone inside it, yea it needs a good amount of power.
@@chloedegurechaff1941 30 Inch cinema is using over 2 decade old backlighting technology that is less efficient which is also why it radiates so much heat compared to the newer LED backlit panels. The old 2017 27" i7 7700k and rx 580 full spec'd 5k iMac with this same exact LED backlit panel and a computer inside comes with only a 300 watt power supply to power the entire computer. That's with Intel and AMD's far less efficient chips. The actual computer+display power consumption maxes out at only 217 watts. I'm still waiting on my 2017 iMac, but my 2015 with the 6700k and m395 almost never exceeds 200 watts under heavy load. This panel seems to use only about 60 watts under full brightness so idk where the rest of it is going to. That phone chip maybe uses 8 watts under load. IMO they have headroom.
Nah, so let me get this straight - dust would clog up wents, this brick would overheat, because no one would tear it apart to clean, and this would cause amoled burn? 👏👏👏
Dell PSUs have used these cut-outs to slim a generation of their PSUs down to just the thickness of the main transformer way back in 2010-ish. Also, the SONY BRAVIA display I use as a computer monitor does the same thing with the PSU though it does use thicker backlighting, mainly for rigidity for its era. Someone just needs to figure out how to jailbreak the screen and run a modded MacOS on there and then it'd be an all-in-one solution, though it would still be better to go for the M1 macs unless this were spare after a few years and looking for repurposing.
This thing splits my opinion. In general i prefer an internal psu but i dont think i would pick that over a replaceable cable. it feels like it chose the worse of both options. The larger frame of an integral psu with the length restrictions and cost of replacement that come with a brick.
the cable can be removed it is replaceable. the fact is an internal psu with the cooling etc its getting is much more likly to live a long life than an external brick that will just get hot, drop of desk while hot etc.
Apple: Develops MagSafe, a universally-loved power delivery system that is easy to use and safer than regular power plugs. Studio Display team: whats magsafe
All modern tv uses arm or risc-v cpu in main soc' s. They uses linux kernel got wifi usb. They are full computer's just locket bootloaders. Some monitors do same thing, some use microcontrolers :)
I really wish they used the same external power supply as the iMac - i much prefer Ethernet and kept my TS3+ from CalDigit and plugged the Apple Studio Display into the TS3+ since the USB-C ports on the back of the Display simply couldn’t drive all the ext drives i have (i have some old spinny HDD’s) via a bus powered dongle. Not complaining, tho. The setup is clean and i can always add another monitor to the CalDigit if i need to.
NO, the iPhone 11 front camera is NOT an ultra-wide and Apple also didn't used it here... they used the one from the iPads, not from the iPhone 11. The iPhone 11 front camera was only a 23mm equivalent while the one used here is a 13-14mm equivalent. So it's just logical that the iPhone 11 is sharper.
I have to wonder if they just couldn't get certain features out the door before the display's launch. Having an A13 and 64GB of memory means this display has the horsepower to become at least a decent standalone 'Apple TV' display.
But some of the engineering aspects-from the non-user-serviceable power cord and mounting bracket/VESA mount-to the thickness of the display in general-are baffling. If they just took the iMac, swapped the guts for a display controller, and used an external magsafe power supply like the iMac, I think people would've been happier.
I don’t think it has 64GB of memory. Storage yes, memory no.
@@huggyuk storage *is* memory though, it's just non-volitile, and we have come to often use the word 'memory' for volitile RAM and 'storage' for non-volitile memory like HDDs and SSDs
I expect the reason it has this config is that is the smallest HAND die that meets the spec apple need for the HAND controler within the A13. As to why they are using an A13 apple llikly have 1000s of these that have binning issues meaning they cant use them in phones but are completely ok in a monitor (1 to 2 cpus cores with defects is not going to impact the use case here at all). Apple has used binned chips in the past in the HomePod mini getting binned Apple Watch cpus.
Considering that we are talking about an Apple product, I think it’s safe to assume that it is this way because they wanted it to be this way. These are not mistakes that could be explained by some engineers screwing up and some validations getting skipped. These are all things that would have been decided on the marketing requirements level.
My best guess is that someone at Apple is really pushing for internal power supplies because they look nicer. That would explain why the Mac Studio and this display both have internal power supplies. They probably didn’t like how it would look to have three external power supplies if you had a Mac Studio with two matching displays.
I suspect that the stand is both a cost saving measure and an upsell strategy. You are more likely to get the more expensive solution if you are worried that you can’t upgrade later.
Is this wrong? Idk.. Maybe? In practice, I don’t think this matters as long as Apple doesn’t force you to use their displays with their computers.
Pandemic and Chip Shortages Give birth to interesting Engineering Choices
Overengineered the heck out of that power supply but fogot to design a power cord that can be removed easily. Apple just likes to do one good thing at a time.
Apple just want a minor issue so that if the customer wants to avoid it, they have to pay big money on the 5k$ XDR Display
(the cord design is on purpose)
Apple: can’t do more unless u pay more
This is the AC power cable from the wall outlet unlike the iMAC Macsafe which is DC from external power supply. DC voltage is lower and it has circuitry to detect proper attached before it let the current run. You can't do that with AC from the wall outlet so you have to make the connector very strong especially when you have less than an inch to plug it in.
Its never a mistake
As an electronics engineer myself, I think the power supply is INSANE amount of over engineering for a chassis that thick, BUT that said, I LOVE IT. I've seen all sorts of low profile components but I've never seen anyone CUT INTO the board, to make them even lower in profile. I mean, the Capacitors? They're LONG AF! but they knew, if these weren't this long, they would've been fat and a design hazard. The Common mode Chokes are another highlight of the low profile design. But in some places, since the thickness allowed it, they chose to go with Through hole Diodes, which is weird, but I get that makes the work easy. Also, Current ratings might've been an issue. I know this post doesn't belong here, but maybe someone finds it as interesting as I do. :)
Apple's galaxy brain engineering team.
They made a Laptop _without_ Fans & a Display _with_ Fans.
😂
Clearly, you have zero clue about engineering and thermal management. Go troll elsewhere and let the adults talk.
@@Gmon750 Clearly you have no sense of humour.
@@Gmon750 r/whoosh
@@Gmon750 r/whoosh
Gotta say, the internals look as great as the external.
That power supply looks stunning!
thats apple in general
Form before function...
Once it breaks you're doomed to overpriced Apple support, because none other repair-shop can get the proprietary parts.
I like the way they engineer there stuff
To me it just looks like this display and the iMac were developed by two completely different teams that didn‘t talk to each other (maybe because of secrecy shenanigans inside Apple). Otherwise I really can‘t explain the two baffling dissimilar approaches for a very similar thing.
I wonder if someone will make an open source bootloader or some sort of jailbreak that will allow an OS to run, would be interesting to see if people can hack the hardware to make proper use of that a12 chip
this thing could run iPadOS
A13*
@@juliet0001 This thing could run MacOS
or Asahi Linux, since Apple's OSes are proprietary
@@KangJangkrik it's already technically running iOS, it wouldn't take much more than a method of running a custom ipsw etc to get this running, the hard part would be creating a new bootloader
The display is what the imac should've been
Whats wrong with the iMac?
@@jeanbutinfrench I think he's talking about the big bezels
@LPF Yep. Scrap an all in one display and computer to launch a computer and a separate display that use bits (even the literal same LCD panel) from the all in one computer. I'd applaud the genius if I didn't hate the ethics haha
Bro facts!!!
thats actually true, you nailed it, i would love a thin Apple display without any speakers, camera, etc at a much better price
After seeing this I'm convinced that this design was originally going to be the new 27" iMac but then at some point, likely within the last year, they decided to go forward with the Mac Studio as the only pro-summer desktop, so as to not have them compete against each other. They then converted this into the separate Studio Display and hastily converted it to use the A13 instead of a M1 Pro or M1 Max.
There is just way too much tight integration and effort here for what is really ancient display panel, this it way over engineered for what it delivers.
This is a very compelling point, and I think I could add to that: Supply chain issues.
Apple seems to have avoided most of this, but I think they were unable to secure enough supply (of some component) to make this a M1 iMac. The power supply and internal design is very costly, as pointed out; if they could make this for both the possibly low-volume Studio Display _and_ the higher-volume iMac, then I think they would. But for some reason they couldn't make it, or at least release models of both the 27-inch iMac and the Mac Studio that would make sense on the market.
Also: The Mac Studio looks like it was designed for Intel, with its enormous cooling, as a follow up to the trash can Mac Pro. Possibly shelved when they decided to make the current Mac Pro (and standalone display), but then pulled out again because they could smack an M1 Extreme inside. EDIT: And shelved because Intel didn't deliver on efficient CPUs that would fit the thermal envelope. Possibly also shelved because the external GPU saga is _something_.
I think there has been some amazing developments within the chip team and with Rosetta 2 that actually made some products push ahead way faster, combine this with the general shortages, making the lineup and release schedule seem a bit odd.
I honestly think you're right that this is the case... Why do it the way they did other than to make a little more money? I think they were trying to turn their lemons into lemonade.
I wish they made it an all in one with the M1 Max or Ultra. My 2014 Mac is on its death bed, and I'm not about to replace it with this... $4000 to 6000 dollar setup...
Yes, I agree. Maybe the A13 boards were prototype development boards just like Mac Mini Developer kit (A12Z chip), maybe they just found another way to repurpose the already in stock A13 as the only iPhone which was being sold at that point was iPhone SE 2 (2020) and now they updated it to iPhone SE 3 (2022). I guess they just didn't want to take loss on the already in stock A13, so slap it on the iMac 27inch Prototype, use it as an ISP and Audio Chip and call it a day as a monitor.
That's a real possibility, but if this iMac was going to be a "Pro Version", it would need Pro Motion to match the 14 + 16 inch Macbook Pros. I don't think they could have cooled an M1 Pro/Max with a 1000 nit 27 inch Mini LED Display. It really could have been a cost issue with Mini LED, where Apple split the cost and decided to separate the computer from the display.
@@dsdddsd4543we This! The point about mini LED (and cooling) is very interesting, also regarding potential 120 Hz and 1000 nits...?
It might be the key to why this wasn't just a home run 27-inch iMac-(pro)-to-go with an awesome XDR display built in - I would love to see someone delve into the details on what components might be missing from this kind of picture (yes oh yes puns indeed).
Imho, it seems like Apple might have secured a lot of M1/Ax chips but might be tight on getting some other part of the picture to line up.
I wonder why apple spent so much time to reinvent the power supply, instead of just copying the iMac magsafe connector.
iMac magsafe, iphone magsafe and macbook magsafe are all dc connectors with lower wattage, after the external power supply. In this case we are talking up to 240V ac connector, it needed to be a different beast (obviously didn’t need to be stuck).
@@FernandoAES FINALLY someone with brains, THANK YOU. Finally someone that know the difference between low-voltag DC and 110-240V AC.
@@FernandoAES 🤔 I heard that it has to be fixed connector so a) there is lower risk for the after shock but most of all 2) easier to get through regulations and testing 😆 I’m still surprised about this solution because, instead of packing line, they have to consider already in assembly line what kind of plugs are used in the area they ship the goods in. When you have a separate power cord they can just add it as the final accessory with localized information and packaging.
@@kperttul They still probably add the right cord just before packaging. It does just plug in, just very hard to pull out.
@@kperttul At least with solid state displays they don't have to manufacture different versions for northern and southern hemispheres as used to be required for collimations magnets, etc. on cathode ray tube displays to accommodate different polarity of the Earth's magnetic field. :-)
Wonderful teardown and impressive engineering inside the display! 👏😎
Did you miss one of the most discussed components, the stand ? How is that removed ?
Probably with those seven pentalobe screws in the middle of the chassis you can see at 4:09
@@TheMilanMovies yes that are for sure the screws for the stand but what about the holes for a vesa mount? are they already in the back just covered by the backplate? or maybe there will be external vesa mounts which are fitting these seven screw holes i mean woul be great for people which would like to upgrade by themself without bringing the display to an apple store.
@Carl Gunderson it doesnt remove? didnt you see the screws on the back?
@@TheZPremio it isn't *meant* to be removed would be the more accurate statement.
@Carl Gunderson It can be changed at a later date, but only at an apple store, not by the user.
That power supply is a thing of beauty. Crazy.
Lol….. it’s not! They just made a much larger/slimer power supply.
I’ve never seen board cut outs for the coils to fit into like that, have you?
I notices it after i see your reply. Jeez that whole for coil is really fantastic design.
@@carholic-sz3qv …thinner power supply doesn’t just happen. The types of capacitors used for power supply are NOT that small, there has to be clever circuit design, like use several smaller capacitors to replace a big one, etc. Samsung’s miniled tv also had to redesign the power supply to fit into the chassis.
@@AaronFigFront it’s nothing that only apple alone could make, it’s a flat design so the engineering and technology/parts to make it possible, plus the latest mosfets techs makes them more efficient and smaller
Apple: Designing and producing a clever thin PSU to incorporate everything inside the chassis 😎
Also Apple: a MoUsE thAt cHaRgeS fROm tHe bOtTUm iNsTeAD Of thE TOp 🥴
forcing wireless is the reason, all apple desktops look clean af
My tinfoil hat theory is that the Studio Display is actually supposed to be an 27in iMac, but Apple decided nah and yoinked its M1/M1Pro chip and stuff like bluetooth / peripheral controllers and plopped back in a gimped A13 in its place.
The using old parts. That’s smart
@@chriswho12345 It looks like a pretty old project (thickness!), I think might be designed to be one of the very first ARM Mac's, even before the M1 was born. For me, this monitor looks like the missing link between an Aluminium Unibody iMac and current 24" one.
same idea
@@piker-pl maybe they had two competing prototypes and one became iMac 24 and this instead of iMac became monitor.
Honestly, I could see them doing that. I mean, the design definitely has the makings of an AS 27" iMac.
Big lol at the “extra vibration in the speaker system being a major problem” 😂
Seems like it would have been much, much easier to just sell us a 27" iMac like we have used for a decade. Now we have to spend twice as much money to get basically the same thing as we had before. Such a love-hate relationship with this company.
Extra vibration montage was epic 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:23 Linus Tech Tips be like:
"Use the force, Luke!"
Honestly, Apple, it shouldn't be this hard to design a user-friendly power cord.
No, it shouldn't. And they already designed a waaay better one with the new iMacs. So why complicate simple things? No idea...
Edit: apparently I missed the fact that this is direct AC. My bad. So yeah...as much as we'd like it, that wouldn't have worked with a MagSafe connector.
So, open the whole thing to get easy access to the power cord ? O.o Easy peasy.
@@pluto762 Right? It's amazing how they spent the R&D money and time to develop the connector for the iMacs, then went and did this. (Disclaimer, this was not a collection of my original thoughts, I'm pretty sure Luke and Linus expressed this realization on the WAN show, but I can't find the exact timestamp.)
@@pluto762 Exactly. And the real irony here is that they went to the hassle of engineering a new socket/cord design despite already having a slick (and much-hyped) "mag safe" solution on the iMac, so we know that the lack of user friendliness is entirely intentional. Moreover, you know who gets to foot the bill for that antagonistic R&D cost in the end...
The shadeeee they basically called Linus a weakling 🤣
This monitor is so confusing. It performs like a $600 monitor but is built like a $5000 one
This: "If they can make a power supply this thin, I think they can figure out how to make repairs safe and easy". Straight to the point.
the main improvement on this would be moving to screws to hold on the display rather than glue otherwise it is quite reparable as screens go very reparable:
PCBs can all be removed easily (no glue)
IO is on its own dedicated seperate boards
The PowerSupply might look odd but compared to an external brick this looks much more reparable as most external bricks form almost all vendors end up being filled with glue/resign since they expect to be dropeed/kicked etc when hot so need to secure all the internals very very well, they don't have that expectation with the screen so accessing and repairing the PSU should be a LOT simpler than your typical external brick. (talking board level repair here). Or course with an external brick you can just throw it away and create more e-wast.
Repair ability is irrelevant these days. We live in a use it and replace it society. When was the last time you got your shoes fixed instead of buying new?
@@joshuaorange8290 Recently got my sued soals replaced not that expletive, here in NZ basicly every shopping centre has a shoe smith who will do it rather quickly.
An external PSU with 200W+ would need a custom connector to the screen and would cost a LOT (At least $300 if not $500) to replace for that price you can get a board level repair to fix the internal PSU.
they can but they won't. So it meets their agenda of "repairs are dangerous and should only be done by us". Apple is anti-repair so they have no interest in making it safe and easy.
@@AlkaVirus repair of the power supply brick is much much harder however. This single large flat power supply that is spread over multiple boards might well be one of the easiest modern PSU designed to repair given the easy access to all the components.
I don't think apple is actively anti repair that is to say they do not put extra work in to make things harder to repair they just do not consider third party repair in thier designs. (in thier eyes they don't bother 'wasting time'' considering third party repair).
As to safe, im not sure any there is any way to make a PSU repair 'safe' if your repairing a PSU the nature of the function of these units means they will have large capacitors and if you skew up best case you destroy the rest of the device worst case you start a fire. Even if apple stoped designing all other products and focused on 'safe' PSU repair (not replacement but true minimal e-waist repair) they would not be able to come up with a PSU design that was safer to repair (replacing the entire PSU is not good for the env remember).
Given that nature of a PSU repair (were you go in and repair it rather than replace it) I think it is a rather good thing that its not trivial to attempt. This is the sort of component that you should only be approaching if your sure about what your doing as a f'up here can lead to issues that are rather nasty.
the imac is literally blue, why did none of them see that
scripted 😂
Wow that power supply is impressive!!
Too bad for the lowest quality capacitors money can buy "capxon"
seriously?!? capxon?!?
It looks very neat and organized on the inside. That, of course, has its price.
It looks really Pleasing!
Form before function...
Once it breaks you're doomed to overpriced Apple support, because none other repair-shop can get the proprietary parts.
Almost all apple products in the last 10 years are more beautiful inside than outside
@@trancenut81 The outside of the Studio Display also looks beautiful in my opinion. An aluminum unibody and minimalist design.
@@timmy7201 apple stuff doesnt break, really.
We should all focus on the fact you could've easily swapped dead power supply if it was external.
But it would be massive brick. As the display provides a loaf of power delivery over the TB and ISB poerts
@@hishnash So happy to sacrifice repairability for a minor inconvenience :(
And Apple dares to call itself environmentally conscious.
@@popcorny007 your well aware that an external power brick of this power rating (unless It had an included fan) would be much more likly to die meaning much more e-wast over all.
also this is a monitor how many monitor out there have external power bricks?
To be clear It would be much better if the opted to use some screws on the case so you could open it up without needing to replace the sticky strips around the display but at this point opening an iMac is not considered difficult for a repair location, in many ways a lot simpler than opening your typical external power supply.
Not like any other monitor as an external power supply? I'd really love to see one.
@@hishnash but when the repairman did a little mistake (like splitting stubborn glue goes wrong), then the entire device being a trash
Fun fact: There were board cutouts for caps on the 27” LED (and Thunderbolt) Cinema Display’s power supply already…
There are board cutouts in the power supply of about every cheap TV since about 5 years.
"Apple's power engineering team clearly put a lot of effort into this"
Looking at the markings on the power supplies it would seem they are in fact designed by SoluM, a South Korea power supply company.
I doubt SoluM designed them, but of course they will have made them. don't tender out design.
@@greebo7857 SoluM are not a contract manufacturer; they are a display power supply design company.
Apple subcontract a significant amount of design work for many of their products. Apple will have written the spec for this power supply, that is all.
Apple paid for it, so that's at least partial credit.
I don't believe this is the exact same display panel as the 5K iMac (stated at 2:10), they simply have the same size and resolution. It has a wider color range, better contrast, better brightness. I would be very surprised if the LCD panel had the same manufacturer model number as the iMac.
Those cutouts for the Capacitors in the PCB has been a thing for decades, Slim-LCD and LED TV manufacturers have been doing this. I've opened quite a few Sony and Panasonics and they all have the same slick PSUs in them.
If they make a bigger imac that looks like the studio display it will be just perfect. I think they can easily fit the board of m1 max chip if the put the PSU externally like the m1 imac
The Issue with putting gate PSU external is power, that magectic connection the M1 iMac users just cant provide that power levels needed. I think they would stick with internal PSU for such products were the thickness is not the ultimate goal.
@@hishnash High current DC connectors are a thing. You can push 240W over a USB Type-C port. Larger connectors can deliver a lot more power.
They are a thing for sure but not very long cables, and the power supply in the brick would need a fan (not optimal if its sitting on the floor sucking in dust, pet hair etc).
@@hishnash i just said they could do this if they wanted to used the exact same design (which i really like). But i would also prefer it to be inside and the whole computer to be thicker
@bruh it does seem that way, but it is a bit surprising from Apple. They have the resources to design multiple competing products in parallel and only release the ones that make sense.
Her: he's probably talking to other girls
Him: this power supply is stunning!
Well the 64GB of storage are when you take your screen along to work (every day) to use it as a external storage of course.
Now you don't have to carry around a heavy USB thumb drive wou might lose on your Keychain anymore.
But why put the power supply in the monitor? It just seems that they are creating a solution for something that wasn't a problem in the first place. I personally prefer to have my power cable detachable, in case it gets pulled.
Aside the fact you now have less for the same price, this is a marvel of engineering indeed !
Too bad this is probably one of the worst Apple product in existence. They screwed us well on this one.
@Let me offer you this What if you wanted a 27in iMac with M1 ? Oh wait, you have to spend 2000$ more now.
Either this screen becomes the new iMac, either they just erased one of their best product to make more money.
Considering Apple, pretty sure that the latter (time will tell).
So yeah, they screwed us well.
Apple making electric toothbrush:"let's put a A14 in it
Tim Cook:"why not"
No, the M1 Toothbrush
That psu is amazing. Props to Apple engineers.
I'm curious how many Watts it can supply
That power supply is wild!
It’s not lol…
They could've easily made the studio display into an imac.
Yeah, but the Studio Display's A13 Bionic chip lacks any of the Rosetta hardware that translates x86 apps into Apple Silicon ones.
Meaning Rosetta will either work very slowly, or not work at all., probably the former, but who knows.
Also the very limited 64GB of storage will ruin this thing plus the 4GB of ram.
@@TheStopwatchGod
Its not about the A13 chip. They could’ve put an m1 in it and made it into an iMac.
I’m guessing they tried to stick an M1 Ultra in here and cooked the computer. We had stories from last year where Apple was having trouble with the 27” iMac and diverted their engineers to make sure the M1 iMac 24” made it out the door. I think they tried to turn this into the 27” iMac and failed to find a way to properly cool that M1 Ultra and made the decision to split up the display and the computer. Thus was born the Studio Display and the Mac Studio.
@@techinrl9869
Who said to put an M1 ultra? They could’ve done with an a base M1 or M1 pro
@@worththewatch1517 My theory is that the Mac Studio is the result of a failed attempt to make a 27” iMac. The M1 Max version would be the replacement for the iMac while the M1 Ultra would have been the replacement for the iMac Pro. The fans and heat sink on the Mac Studio are way too big to fit in this chassis that became the Studio Display. I’m assuming the Mac Studio has what Apple intended the 27” Apple Silicon iMac to have: an M1 Max or an M1 Ultra since the 27” iMac and iMac Pro Intel versions were identical form factors. I’ll bet they could have cooled an M1 Max… maybe… but I doubt there was any way to cool an M1 Ultra in this chassis, hence a decision to split computer and monitor into two. They probably have plans for the M1 Pro, likely a Mac mini to replace the Intel Mac mini that’s still being sold.
ifixit team is quite frankly one of best individuals, I have ever seen.
Samsung actually does the same thing with the power supplies in their ultra thin TVs and I believe LG has as well. I've even seen neat little end caps that go over the top end of the capacitors that solder to the board instead of using glue to hold them down.
Thanks
The studio display is what the iMac should’ve been in the first place
Making a tear down look so easy! Amazing thank you!
There is way more possibilities with this display then Apple is letting on and I'll wait for the next iMac to purchase. Thanks for the great share!
The x-ray view of iFixit uncovers all. Best of luck team your job is awesome.
wonder how long it'll take someone to make the display into a standalone computer...
difficulty will be breaking the iBoot signature, not sure if there are any iBoot level jailbreaks yet.
all recent jailbreaks that does not utilize a bootrom/iboot exploit (which is extremely rare) required code execution on the device in the first place so probably a long time. We don't have code execution on the display in the first place because apps is not a thing.
While I don't know for sure, I doubt that the SoC can drive the display.
@@Finder245 I think your correct in that the SoC is not decoding the display port signal (why would the A13 have a display port signal decoder after all). I think it is mostly operating as a hand holding device that the computer talks to to controle backlight, camera, speakers, mic etc.
It already runs iOS 15.4
It could have been iMac Pro, just more storage, an M1 Pro or M1 Max options and there you go, a 2nd gen iMac Pro with no chin and slim bezels.
Apple: "We spent a ridiculous amount of R&D to place the Power supply inside the Monitor!"
Everyone else: "...." *power brick* "....yeah."
It would be cool if Apple stuck an M1 GPU inside that thing.
Obviously it would be bottlenecked by that thunderbolt cable, but Apple could have stuck some M! GPU cores inside that thing, where it's just a cluster of GPU, RAM, and Encoder and decoder engines inside the studio display.
The Studio Display has the cooling hardware for it, and Maybe something like a 32 core GPU, maybe even a 64 core could run in that thing to boost graphics performance for an M1 based mac. Include some memory, and Media engine blocks, and that would make for a better display
My theory is that it is an iMac. However, the cooling solution and chassy might not be able to keep the M1 Ultra, which is the headline and the selling point of the bigger macs, cool enough. It might just ran over 80-90°C. I saw MaxTech's video on this and the gigantic m1 ultra copper cooler is the one that keep the temp in an impressive low temperature. But that is a giant thicc boi of a cooling solution. If it were on the cramp iMac chassy, the cooling may not be adequate since the heat of the 5K display, and that PSU + that powerful M1 Ultra chip might be a big problem for that little space of a chassy.
I reckon they're laying the groundwork for a future imac studio
The intro - "I guess the qualifications to work at ifixit are very low..."
I wonder why most didn't notice iMac's blue colored chasis. Apple displays don't have colored chasis.
Well my ultra thin power supply blew up. Just be careful if your Display starts to play up.
So definitely no wifi? If it just had wifi this thing could have minimally been a standalone Apple TV. I get not running macOS from a A-series chip, but why not let it do Apple TV for like $3 more in hardware?
How would they NOT know that the smaller, 24", BLUE iMac that is obviously an iMac...is the computer? Do these people know anything about tech?
I was thinking that like how
Not knowing Macs I also got it wrong because I assumed anything with active cooling has to be the computer. Who would build a display that needs a fan...
The display looks similar to the internals of a MacBook I don’t blame them bro lol
@@GeraldMMonroe brought to you by the same company, who decided it was a good idea to build a MacBook Air where the fan doesn't connect with the heat sink. GENIUS.
Most people don’t know or even care how a simple toaster works so no, they don’t know. That’s doesn’t make them dummer, they just aren’t interested in this kind of technology as we are. E.g. some are interest in biochemistry and gets this pandemic cured.
Apple should've let us use it as an Apple TV.
Agree
This
It’s just lacking wifi I think
Would have to downscale to 4K.
Its amaZing how many people guessed wrong when it was so easy to tell the two apart. People really are oblivious and do NOT pay attention to details.
At 3:45 you note that it has a Thunderbolt 4 port, yet Apple's marketing cites it as Thunderbolt 3.
The reason it is TB3 not 4 there is not TB dock within the display, to clarify a client device (like a screen) as having TB4 port on it that device needs to support TB dasichianing otherwise it is TB3 (TB3 is TB4 but without some of these additional features).
TB daisy chaining would not make sense since to power the 5k display your already using more than 1/2 of the TB bandwidth so if you attach some other TB device to it its not going to end up with much bandwidth.
@@hishnash the point is the comment in the video is wrong.
@@nickthaskater true, but for a display the table of TB3 vs TB4 makes 0 difference in functionality. They could even say USB-4 it would all be the same to the end use and even at a component lavel would all be the same controler.
@@hishnash it makes a difference if you're using the monitor as a hub.
@@nickthaskater But you cant really use this monitor as a TB hub since the 5k signal alone uses up more than 1/2 the bandwidth. Any TB device you would plug into it would be massively limited and would have issues as to support the 5k stream the TB is put into a mode that would be very problematic when it comes to semtric bandwidth.
I still don’t understand why it needs 64gigs of storage or an iPhone 11 SoC, how it runs iOS but can’t do any of:
Run tv OS
Run iPad OS
Run Siri/homepod OS
Work with AirPlay2
Work with Universal Control
Doesn’t have an Ethernet port
Doesn’t have a _removAble cable_
Or magsafe for that matter
Also how it is not HDR, no local dimming
And still costs 1600…
It probably needs a minimum of 64gigs because it’s an A13 and rather than program it to work with less it’s probably cheaper to use storage they’d already ordered. The rest is just Apple ignorance.
The answer is: When you can mass produce them at a lower cost, and have tons in your warehouse, may as well use up the remaining inventory before ordering new batch. The costs of adjusting the software / firmware to have the SOC to recognize smaller chip may be higher than just use the 64GB chip.
probably its about future invesment. they gonna announce a new feature to make it use
It's good if Apple put tvOS there like what Samsung do to their smart monitor...
Like giving access to simple access to video streaming or remote desktop is great
It in FACT supports HDR. And also does it a million times better than 99% of all these bullshit "HDR capable" monitors out there. And the brightness is also much higher than on those "HDR" monitors.
A big shout out for the clip used at 3:33, that is so funny LOL. In fact, it is no speaker vibration, just vibratory motors Mod in the monitor for FPS games.
Wow! That’s almost an iMac!
I think it would have made the guessing part a bit harder, if the iMac used was silver too
yo you got some cuties working at fixit. I need to get to that office.
My updated guess is Apple was planning on revising the 27" iMac but scrapped it and made it just a standard 5K display instead. This way they sell more Mac Studio+Studio Display combos which generally means more money for Apple. I think the rumored 30-32" iMac "Pro" with mini-LED is real.
That's some serious engineering..
BEST DESIGNED LCD 😊😊😊
So they make the iMac as thin as possible and say thats why we still have a chin, but the display they make thicker just to have the power supply inside it... Apple isn't making any sense.
Poor brand concepts, playing for both teams and having no opinion itself.
Love the Guy with the Beartooth Shirt! Let's gooooooo
4:12 Wow that power supply is very impressive. I think it's over engineered. It looks so beautiful, but looks useless
Provides 95w of power to attached laptops and power to Other usb devices at the same time so needed
Agreed in the the PC world but in the Mac world very needed and appreciated!
@@hishnash ...but it could have been an external power brick, like the one used for the iMac. Also, 95W is not a lot of power. MacBook Pro power brick provide that and they are inside a plastic enclosure. It looks like someone at Apple wanted to avoid having an external power brick at all cost, so they sacrificed repairability, and possibly reliability for it.
This would only someone say who has absolutely no idea about electrical engineering
@@Finder245 But the display is not just powering the Mac, it is also providing power to the screen and to the other USB ports. You could put the tin a sealed plastic box but it would be much less reparable than this power supply due to the much higher level of protection you would need to give it given it being much more likly to be dropped, kicked etc in use.
I am having a hard time trying to understand what a "monitor"/"display" is doing with iOS that isn't user accessible, the bionic chip and 64gb of storage... I feel Apple is collecting a LOT of data by using that display. I do not trust apple with all they have been doing with their products. All of their products seem to benefit them much more than their customers.
idk what data they can collect if you don’t sign it in
@@axethepenguin not to add to the conspiracy because I really doubt they are doing this, but they could do it the same way Smart TV manufacturers have been doing and logging what content you are watching and keeping a profile for marketing purposes. And if it has an A13, it technically does have connection to the internet through the Ultrawide Band that communicates with other iPhones (the tech inside the AirTags).
The fatal flaw with this idea is that this monitor is designed to work with MacOS. What kind of additional data would they be able to get that wouldn’t be easier to get elsewhere? You’re already using their hardware and software and it even updates the firmware if it’s plugged into a Mac. Why even bother with the hassle and potential backlash?
The simple answer is they probably had a bunch of binned A13s that weren’t good enough for going inside an iPhone or iPad. And they really wanted to add the camera enhancements like Center Stage to the webcam. So rather than designing a completely new chip that will take time and money to design and produce, they decided to just use old stock that they had to do the same thing.
@@ThatLaloBoy yeah, I thought so! People may say apple may be the company to do something like this, but it’s not exactly practical
@@ThatLaloBoy i instantly thought of the AirTag tech as well but now that you put it that way;
i think the monitor might help with the VR/AR line up Apple is working on.
Lots of companies use external cameras to help hand, leg & body tracking.
Hololive girls use motion-tracking via webcams & sometimes iPhones to control their Avatar.
and if I get a little more tin-foil hatty:
It might be called the "Studio" , not for OUR studio but for Apple's "Studio".
Just think of the day the first iPhone came out & the app store is kinda empty.
Only those with an Apple computer could create apps.
The studio line up will prob be geared to create new Apps for their VR/AR platform more effectively.
Why not put A13 in the display , so after some time it can show message that is no longer supported and you need to buy new one.
LCD monitor with fans. This is something new.
they should just put 4 screws on the corners of the back to remove the display. they could even use stylish screws.
What?
I just don’t get the extreme amount of money and time they’ve spent and the price increase accordingly, to made this include the power supply in. It’s a monitor, there is no issue of having an external power supply cable as most of their other products already do
Couldn’t agree more. Could have been a lower-priced product and more customers could have enjoyed it.
I agree! I also miss the dasy chain feature!
A high brightness display will have lots of power delivery.
A computer only needs basic 12V.
How did you remove the stand? I want a VESA mount but its like 10 week wait so wondering if its possible to do it myself
I Legit Can't blame the people for thinking the Display is an iMac. If I saw both first time (without seeing reviews online) I would always think the display is an iMac no matter what!
it would've been harder if it was the silver iMac
285 watts? That’s a lot more than the display needs. iMac on the way if you ask me.
98 Watts of that is reserved for power over USB C, it's designed to charge the MacBook Pros.
Power devilry to the laptops over the TB (98W) + power delivery to each of the USB-C ports (might be 15W each) and then the panel gets to 600nits so likly uses a LOT of power itself and apple also want the power supply to run in the optimal range (power supplies become much sell optimal as you go to the top of thier rated range and produce a lot more heat).
@@hishnash > "apple also want the power supply to run in the optimal range"
When you do that, you actually rate the power supply lower. When engineers are given the task to design a 200W power supply that operates at 90% efficiency at its rated output, they will design for that requirement. As a result, you will get a power supply that likely *could* do more than 200W, but it isn't rated for it. In practice, a lot of (well designed) power supplies have over current protection that is well below what they could actually supply without overheating or permanent damage.
Not really. My Acer 27 inch used 180 watts.
And one of my 30-inch Cinema displays use 150watts. considering how many more pixels that thing has, how much brighter it is, and that it has a phone inside it, yea it needs a good amount of power.
@@chloedegurechaff1941 30 Inch cinema is using over 2 decade old backlighting technology that is less efficient which is also why it radiates so much heat compared to the newer LED backlit panels. The old 2017 27" i7 7700k and rx 580 full spec'd 5k iMac with this same exact LED backlit panel and a computer inside comes with only a 300 watt power supply to power the entire computer. That's with Intel and AMD's far less efficient chips. The actual computer+display power consumption maxes out at only 217 watts. I'm still waiting on my 2017 iMac, but my 2015 with the 6700k and m395 almost never exceeds 200 watts under heavy load. This panel seems to use only about 60 watts under full brightness so idk where the rest of it is going to. That phone chip maybe uses 8 watts under load. IMO they have headroom.
This isn’t the same display that the 5k iMac has. Same specs besides brightness but side by side there is a noticeable difference.
What bizzare design choices. Next think you now, they will shove a built-in helium tank and an ice-cream maker into the display.
Nah, so let me get this straight - dust would clog up wents, this brick would overheat, because no one would tear it apart to clean, and this would cause amoled burn? 👏👏👏
Dell PSUs have used these cut-outs to slim a generation of their PSUs down to just the thickness of the main transformer way back in 2010-ish. Also, the SONY BRAVIA display I use as a computer monitor does the same thing with the PSU though it does use thicker backlighting, mainly for rigidity for its era.
Someone just needs to figure out how to jailbreak the screen and run a modded MacOS on there and then it'd be an all-in-one solution, though it would still be better to go for the M1 macs unless this were spare after a few years and looking for repurposing.
All the subtle FUs to Apple. Lovely!
How did they think the studio display was the imac? Do they live under a rock?
It seems like a massive oversight they didnt make the power cord magsafe. Every single Mac product now features it.
This thing splits my opinion. In general i prefer an internal psu but i dont think i would pick that over a replaceable cable. it feels like it chose the worse of both options. The larger frame of an integral psu with the length restrictions and cost of replacement that come with a brick.
the cable can be removed it is replaceable.
the fact is an internal psu with the cooling etc its getting is much more likly to live a long life than an external brick that will just get hot, drop of desk while hot etc.
Apple: Develops MagSafe, a universally-loved power delivery system that is easy to use and safer than regular power plugs.
Studio Display team: whats magsafe
4:15 just look at how they arranged the capacitors!
All modern tv uses arm or risc-v cpu in main soc' s. They uses linux kernel got wifi usb. They are full computer's just locket bootloaders. Some monitors do same thing, some use microcontrolers :)
i watched a streamer using the Apple Studio Display. the Center Stage camera is actually mind blowing.
Would be very cool to have a Studio Display do iPad stuff on its own.
I really wish they used the same external power supply as the iMac - i much prefer Ethernet and kept my TS3+ from CalDigit and plugged the Apple Studio Display into the TS3+ since the USB-C ports on the back of the Display simply couldn’t drive all the ext drives i have (i have some old spinny HDD’s) via a bus powered dongle.
Not complaining, tho. The setup is clean and i can always add another monitor to the CalDigit if i need to.
NO, the iPhone 11 front camera is NOT an ultra-wide and Apple also didn't used it here... they used the one from the iPads, not from the iPhone 11.
The iPhone 11 front camera was only a 23mm equivalent while the one used here is a 13-14mm equivalent. So it's just logical that the iPhone 11 is sharper.
Are the contestants from another planet?
They should just make the display run tvOS as an option.
Wonderful teardown.
Is the front screen/glass panel serialized? Could you swap two of them between two different displays?
This might support hand gestures in the future as input methods. Or to serve as external camera for XR headset.
At the start they are technically both computers I guess.
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