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lol. So I just made a video about this for my patreon because I'm no longer really on twitter beyond logging in to pin things to the top of my profile. Today when I did that I saw there was some fued between you two and it was very confusing to me as someone who isn't on twitter, but is on tiktok and RUclips. Tiktok has been feeding me a lot of Destiny clips and generally they're clips I tend to think have pretty good takes. So my feelings around Destiny have softened from "that's the guy n word debate guy/the guy who only really seems to care about black people as a talking point in an argument he can win" to "hmm, i guess he's thoughtful sometimes". So then when I logged into twitter to see what he said... it sounded absolutely crazy and out of nowhere. Like, every word. "wealthy youtuber" and "thinks white people need to solve their problems" really stood out to me as not true from what I've seen of your content.
Its just interesting seeing both of your content and not even thinking you really interacted a lot at all to seeing that tweet. Logging off really shifts how important these things are in your brain. I think you're right to say "internet brain" because that's how this sounds to me. You're right, what Killer Mike said in that video wasn't anything new. My parents never once had a conversation with me that was like "hey, btw, everthing in the white man's fault". What they DID do is reiterate that society will indeed treat me differently because I'm black; and I denied the fuck out of that until actually very recently. Your point about property value is a great example of that. Doesn't actually matter how nice your house is or whether or not you pull your pants up. In our society, racism means black folks will be seen as lesser and that will impact us in many many many areas. White folks think we're talking about blaming white people for all of our ills, when in reality, it's more like we're talking about their inability to not be insidiously white supremacist.
I am still so annoyed by the sheer existence of this bullshit. Like... why do we need to have a debate between you two? And why would debating someone putting words in your mouth and arguing that you've said things you didn't say be productive in any way? And who's it for? I think you're right about the insecurity of his black audience cuz I can see how they'd need it, but that's only because they're still trying to like him. Like....since pretty dramatically decreasing my internet usage, it's become so clear to me how deeply unserious debate bros are.
Their inability to not be insidiously white supremacist... That's really on the mark! Thank you for articulating that feeling
For the record Destiny also likes to harass rape victims. He once called someone too r*tarded to say no
Although I agree with most of what you said, I should let you know that Destiny is racist in the sense that he doesn't hate black people, but does think less of them and undermined our struggle and achievements. There have been SOOO many remarks that I had to compartmentalize and then piece together to get a grasp on what he REALLY feels about black people. Now, I'm a bit lazy so I'm gonna post a reddit comment I left in a forum discussing Destiny's behavior: Personally, I think he is and isn't. He's been undermining black struggle for idk how long now, but a good year if not more. He's become really bitter and it shows through the way he responds to anyone with valid criticism against him. He's always given me offbeat vibes because there has been too many times when he's been selectively good and bad faith with people depending on he persons beliefs. And you know what's even more sus? He's been extremely good faith to right-wingers like Lauren Southern and Nick Fuentes and even going out of his way to hangout with them irl. He NEVER has this level of charity for ANYONE left of a liberal. He would make these baseless statements with broad stroaks and DGG would eat it up because they are his sheep and he's their Shepperd. I remember not too long ago when Vegan Gains and Destiny had their annual debate and how bad faith Destiny is when its a topic that left adjacent. He would intentionally misrepresent Vegan Gains and even take him to the most extreme tangents to try and justify eating chicken and waffles. It just seems to me that he is secretly socially conservative because of the people he chooses to be good faith to and the ones he doesn't. It took this dude MONTHS to label NICKOLAS FUENTES an N@ZI n matter how obviously anti-sematic he was, SMH. Not only that, but he said that the holocaust was worse the slavery, which it wasn't just by the sheer number of Africans that been lynched, raped, and beaten and mistreated to death by the white slave masters, but by the sheer amount of death is extremely disrespectful. 1 million Africans died just being transported from Africa to the Americas in one trip, ONE. I can tell he said that because he was trying undermine black struggle and not saying that the holocaust wasn't bad, but worse than over 200 years of chattel slavery? senseless.
Now, the recent beliefs that I think are indicators of why I think he thinks white people are superior to black people is one, when he and Jidion where in a debate panel, I remember Jidion saying that he is a History buff(and he is as he seems to know quite a bit of history) and Destiny asked him if he thought that Ancient Egypt was black--which insinuates that Destiny believes that the reason why ancient Egypt was so advanced was because it was mostly Mediterranean people that built it. Now, there was this other clip he had and unfortunately I don't remember which one, all I remember was that it was around the time were Ukraine vs Russia was a big deal. He told a person he was debating that those that prevail in war don't change history to make them look better or to take credit for things they didn't do because "I talked to historians about it and they say that history is never rewritten, falsified, or biased" which is like going to Ted Bundy and asking him if he loved women and believing him. I would also add that his beef with Kai Cenat and YourRage is pretty self-explanatory. But yeah, Destiny doesn't hate black people, but he does perceive us as inferior to whites, smh.
I don't use any social media and basically stick to RUclips as casual background entertainment while doing chores so it's insane to me to see how different people seem to be on other platforms. Had the same experience with the RUclips algorithm showing me destiny clips of him seeming alright to his wildly fucked up characterization of FD on Twitter. Maybe I am ignorant to how important Twitter is to content creators needing to promote themselves and be accessible to viewers- but people should delete it. It really seems to bring out the worst in people.
I’ve been following your Pinterest tip from ur video and I’ve made so much more food to myself it’s such a loving activity that hurts my feet a bit lol like why am I still on TikTok doom scrolling when I’ve followed ur advice and seen how much better I feel looking at food and book and sewing Pinterest not anger inducing content. Got to take a minute every time before I click on TikTok cuz not keeping up with the content my brother loves has made me happier as a person. But I’m not perfect so I still clicked lol
Lmfao you tagged him? Legendary.
Oh shid here we go 😳 🍿
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💯
I doubt that the whitest guy on the planet will drop the money though, but it'd be the first Destiny stream I ever watch.
@@YaBoiJonesy hard to say; we all know how much he'd love to talk to F.D.
@YaBoyJonesy but my judgement of that is very biased by hope lol.
"Any debate-bro that you felt was a piece of shit, they are like pinched off turds from the colon of Destiny" is one of the top sentences ever spoken into the world.
Somebody tell Vaush this the next time he pops off about something fucking stupid.
Vaush has not affiliated himself with Destiny for literal years.
@@jackcharlotte25 yea but he literally started in Destiny’s chat. His strategy has not changed since then.
@@JabariMore Spoken like a true person who has a marginal concept of both figures. And btw, FD "started out" on Stormfront. We really want to get pedantic as to where figures started out relative to where they are now and where their priorities lie?
Oh man it made it back to my page. Please tell me how I "started out" on storm front. What do you mean by this.
Hearing this after the "which Black billionaire is gonna buy BET" discussion on the radio this morning was a double dose of Black Capitalist nonsense for me today.
19:43 bingo. It's the motte and bailey technique. They all do it. From Destiny to Peterson. It never fails to fool angry young idiots who love it when someone gets "owned."
People keep lumping in Peterson in these categories but he’s never been one of those “owning” people kind of guys. He has his views and they make some people angry but he’s never came off as insincere or attention seeking.
Konseravtive Mike needs to stop, JPEG said it best "All My Heroes are Cornballs""
Can't wait till "Black Michael Render" drops on Scaring the Hoes vol 2
I wonder if that's why he had that "Run the Jewels" song in Scaring the Hoes Vol 1
@@MayorOfEarth79 i think he just likes El-P production, think i saw him mention it somewhere. that could be a reason tho.
For any Black person going through a period where you feel like you can't find community with Black folks, I'd like to encourage you to do some self-work, be kind to yourself, and try to find community with us again. Online, at a church, a club whatever. It's good to be around your people sometimes. Friendships with non-Black folks are just as important ofc, but it ain't good to feel disconnected from your people. Come see about us, family🖤.
Good message, it's really alienating to not have anyone in your circle who can relate to your experiences
I’m gay, finding black folks through anything outside of a gay bar is asking for abuse.
For sure, to add on to that the BlackPeopleTwitter subreddit is a good starting point to immerse yourself in that space.
@Michael Perez hard disagree, the mods are fairly controlling and gatekeeping. They only like people who agree with them. I'm an FD fan too...
@Robert Terrell Oh, really? Dang I don't think I've seen any runaway mods, do you have an alternative I could check out?
Who would have guessed when Mike said "You're burning your own homes!" he actually meant "You're burning down the homes I want to use to get your money.".
This when I was done!
@@olg.__ its always the white liberals who want us to stay victims to society/system. Cant stand to see us owning mutiple homes, so they'll shame us for being landlords
I said this in the chat, but it bears repeating. The first time I ever heard Destiny was when he was debating a Trump supporting troll/shitposter called Mr. Metokur. Destiny argued that Trump's wall idea was bad, but it was a good idea to do a MILITARY INVASION of Mexico to stop drug cartels.
I cannot understand why anyone ever took this guy seriously.
Exactly like its the whiteness in them
@@brian_Austin27Destiny's not white bro
@genderlessundeityexcept he's not white
Destiny won an easy debate against JonTron years ago, and a lot of people took that to mean he was some kind of political mastermind.
@@sleepy_shivers more like because he spent a decade debating every right winger on the internet and destroyed them all better than anyone else on the Left has this century
JPEGMAFIA said it best imho "all my heroes are cornballs". Almost everyone that had a cool persona when we were growing up just turned out to be mouth pieces for money.
Oh how the turns have tabled
He a cornball himself
If you feel the need to make a 6 hour video telling people you really want to use the N-word, you're just a very sad person imo.
Your objective awareness of the human condition as it relates to our modern era, it's just....thank you, dawg. It gives me an inexplicable feeling of releif.
It's good to know someone else feels it too, and say it so well like FD
@@DjinnandTonik 100. He's the kind of people we all need in our environments.
There was a wise man who once interrogated this mindset by asking "Have you really made it or just became a prisoner of privilege?". Can't remember who it was though. Mike should be listening to that guy. There's a lot of good stuff in his music.
😊😊
There’s a sample like that on a Boldy James.
@@Hillwood365 Oh I was being facetious there about not remembering. The line is from Killer Mike's verse in "Lie, Cheat, Steal".
@@achristiananarchist2509 thats… interesting
I’m so tired of numbskulls saying “It’s not that deep,” when you try to point out things like gerrymandering or black property value or a number of other structural things that contribute to structural racism or even climate change (I recently learned that the whole “plant more trees!” gimmick was not as good as an idea as many “Green” companies made it seem). When someone says “It’s not that deep,” all that tells me is they’re not smart/open-minded enough to have that conversation and thus they should stfu and get out of the way.
And the crazy part is, these things aren’t even difficult to understand. But a lot of people are obsessed with the first solution being the only correct solution.
Feel this...
I feel this. The amount of times I'm talking politics so I bring up systemic issues and someone says 'you're thinking too deeply about it' I know the conversation is over. I think it speaks to the comfort of the person you're engaging; if they're so comfortable politics happens in the abstract to them, they're material reality is such that we're not even on the same page.
It's not even like systemic issues are hard to grasp, I just think they put centrists and left leaning liberals in a dissonant space so they switch gears into sophistry.
3:19 Nah real shit cause Booker T. Washington was sayin these words in the late 1880’s like this is nothing new to the black community
Hey, I know you. ❤🏳️⚧️
This is exactly what crossed my mind when he said that!!
I felt the sell out in Killa Mike since his show on Netflix, I appreciate highlighting consumerism in black community, but not everyone can own a damn business.
And on NRATV around the same time
Bro I swear the only thing Mike is killing is my respect for him
Bro been on his clown shit for like 3 years now (that I’ve noticed) ruining the first 3 RTJ/ and all those features on Outkast/Dungeon family records for me. 🙃
LMAO True...and so depressing.
:(
This the one
@@IfYouInsist I haven't been able to listen to SHIT RTJ dropped since finding out Render's a landlord. "Kill your masters", mf you _are_ the masters fym
And plates of food.
"Keeping it real" is the reason I subbed. I'm an adult, and I appreciate folks who treat me like it.
😂😂😂😂
I just love your energy and how you are able to look past all the bullshit.
"I can start Onlyfans off your fans" lmao that is an amazing quote
The part about cop city and being a downer is so real that it hurts, more people need to get out of their bubble and realize the truth. It is so hard to engage with people because they cannot except the norms in life. Don't let those voices stop you from creating!
^^^ I think everyone in stream felt this in their core
We don't have the right to be doomers unless we actually try and fail. Doomers speak from no experience.
@@EricLeafericson huh, that's funny, I heard almost the same words from an indigenous anarchist a long time ago.
Good stuff.
@@nelitogorostiza16 The vast majority of society are total non-participants, and fixing that is not impossible. We have seen it happen in history.
Even if we get normies and people with families they need to support to participate in a little mutual aid, it would enable the more radical protestors to risk themselves and have a safety net. For example, the low-risk protestors could pay for mutual aid bail funds. Participation is allowed to be a spectrum.
Re-read MLK's "Where Do We Go From Here", take a few notes, and chill out. This is not impossible. We were literally given 90% of the blueprint from MLK and the SCLC Operation Breadbasket.
@@EricLeafericson wait what, I just said that your words remind me of one of the kindest, bravest and most resilient people I've ever met, a literal role model and friend.
Wtf gringo.
It’s funny because the instant Destiny’s name is invoked, even FD content instantly phase transitions from impactful liberatory wisdom into banal RUclips drama entertainment right before our eyes. I do hope he drops that 50k though.
The funniest part is they both react thw same way to each other. At the end of the day, all of these people are just regular people with flaws and blindspots. thw fact that FD really thinks there is no value to convos with someone like Destiny is kinda wild tho... And he wild if he doesn't think white kids aren't big on Dubstep and zoomer comedy AS WELL as black people stuff.
@@AquaMarineFBVAI'm sorry, but there is no value to it. It's not about the debate, itself, anymore. It's a cage match, for people to cheer whoever's better at debate strategy, not who is actually correct.
@@AquaMarineFBVAdestiny is barely still relevant online, what benefit wld there be in speaking to that racist?
I'm not so proud that I cant admit a dark corner of my brain enjoys the petty RUclips drama tho.
@@AquaMarineFBVA Destiny just wants outrage and debate as performance, he has no real values. debating him doesn't serve any purpose other than having his weirdo fans harass you.
Came for the Killer Mike stuff and stayed for the Destiny backhand.
As a former black vaush fan the way he described us hit way too hard lol. Man described it to a tee.
Lol right😂 Really could have used that hug 😢
But I had never in my life been exposed to people actually debating leftist ideas live to people who felt different like when I started watching Vaush and Hassan.
I certainly hadn't seen it in the black community, where I grew up I didn't find any black academia. All I saw was the Christian Church, the Hotels and Hood ninjas.
But Vaush lead me to the rest of Bread tube, which lead to me subbing to Kadijah and like Katt Black.
But I really didn't know what I was missing until I heard unc FD, forgot which video but it was like coco butter for my ashy soul.
Although I know it's patriarchal programming, but I didn't know how much I wanted to hear certain ideas coming out of the mouths of just heteronormative looking BLACK men.
Although I'm not a fan of Vaush, I do still enjoy Destiny's content and I'm eternally grateful they pipelined me to FD, Foreign and St. Andrew
🙋🏾♀️ welcome back ✊🏾💗
I still watch Vaush…I don’t see an issue with consuming his & FD’s content.
I felt like the end was just generalizing…I probably wouldn’t have even found Vaush if it wasn’t for my desire to get deeper into politics
@marcus Davis nothing wrong with watching both I personally got tired of his and all other debate Bros shit before getting into FD I look for content to educate myself rather than the bs online drama they engage in cus the they talk about I don't really deal with in my life.
@@anthonywood1410 tbh I still like debate bro stuff because I live in a pretty conservative area. I’m constantly having conversations with people who describe themselves as centrists and I like having the rhetorical tools to move them over or show them the idiocy in their views.
I’m a huge fan of FD for his deep dives into black culture.
With that being said I did find the end of this video to be a bit condescending to say the least.
Labeling us as the bad hairline dudes, the black girls don’t like us guys…hurts lol
Let’s not forget “Black men failed the black community” Destiny. That was fun.
I'm sorry what?
@@kiatorrette5631 In his “debate” with angry man (who I’m not particularly fond of), he debate bro’d through a lot of black stats, including what percentage of black men signed birth certificates in Cook county (cuz “what about Chicago?” of course) and deduced that black men failed the black community. Really riveting shit. 😒
@@wteva99
Black women say this all the time . That’s where Destiny even got the idea from (divesters).
@@Poomayne Those woman, while rightly aggrieved, would be wrong. And different things are different. Destiny saying that shit is racist- He doesn't get to hide behind Black women
@@Poomayne You’re right. He actually went that direction after Annalicia (Diet Cynthia G) was on his stream a few times. He got to modify his anti blackness to black men specifically after he got that license.
I’m so glad Destiny decided to talk some shit at you. He’s deserved this kind of response for so long. He truly ain’t shit.
He was never shit to begin with.
Literally all those "leftist" debate bros are racist trash. Steven Kenneth Bonnell II and his incel fanboys will learn nothing from this.
This whole ass comment right here. ^ 💯💯💯 I'm so glad FD got this opportunity. Destiny needs to be forced to watch and listen with his hand over his effing mouth.
Hi, I'm totally out of the loop. Why does everyone here hate destiny?
@TomTom-sm7il well you're on the channel of a man Destiny declared was more racist than nazis... so yea that is a start
Great video from wealthy RUclipsr FD Signifire
Don't scare me like that, lol. I thought you were being mean for a sec.
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He should've asked for 100K imo
@@ValerietheLovelyDeadlyItalian deadass $25k is too cheap
This was perfect. THANK YOU.
I'm not American, so it took me awhile to fall down the debate-bro rabbit hole, but a few years ago I listened to a podcast about the alt-right and the last episode or so addressed deradicalization. They mentioned Contrapoints, whom I already knew, and they also mentioned Destiny. I thought, "Hmm, that's interesting, let's see this man's content. It must be good."
Oh my god, it's hard to describe my disappointment. At first, it was interesting and I appreciated a left-leaning creator who could reach these insular fascist circles with good rhetoric. I saw some of his classic debates against white supremacists, and it seemed positive overall. That impression lasted for about five days, 'cause the following week he was talking about shooting down protesters.
That man has politics as a sport. As FD said: kayfabe.A sophist if you will. The consequences of his words and actions? Opinions for him are an aesthetic choice that fits his style.
This might be a bit off topic, but Tolstoi with his acid humor has a character in Anna Karenina that reminds me of him: Oblonsky - the cheating husband and Anna's brother. "Oblonsky never chose his tendencies and opinions any more than he chose the style of his hat or coat. He always wore those which happened to be in fashion. Moving in a certain circle where a desire for some form of mental activity was part of maturity, he was obliged to hold views in the same way he was obliged to wear a hat. If he had a reason for preferring Liberalism to the Conservatism of many in his set, it was not that he considered the liberal outlook more rational but because it corresponded better with his mode of life… Liberalism had become a habit with Oblonsky and he enjoyed his newspaper, as he did his after-dinner cigar, for the slight haze it produced in his brain."
The short time I followed Destiny's content, I was confused by the apparent contradictions, but Nebraska Steve has liberalism as a style and as a habit. He can switch to Conservatism if the hat fits him better. It's that simple. Once I realized this, everything made sense.
I'll give just one example. What did he think about veganism a few years back? Bullshit. You can kill and eat your dog for all he cares. Of course, he completely disregards the moral status of animals. If he didn't - like most of us - he'd either have to accept the contradictions of his values and actions as a liberal who favors individual actions; or a mixture of his contradictions and the structural problems with the animal industry; or maybe he'd have to radically change his consuming habits. Disregarding animals' rights fits his style better. It's more comfortable, and that way he can remain "coherent." A great hat. It's that simple.
Fixing your moral system to be coherent is dishonest. wtf?!?!I don't even like the guy, but your closing sentiment was incoherent. Would you prefer for political content creators to have unchanging opinions and completely follow party lines?
I agree with some of your criticism but, do you expect to agree with everything he says? Do you expect him to only be a liberal and say liberal things? He a person and that would seem fake, at least to me. There are a lot of creators I like but, I can't think of any that I always agree with.
@Tom Tom
Certainly not.
I'm giving an example as someone who hasn't followed the man for years and is trying to illustrate how they interpret his political and (-lack of-) ethical views. It's my impression, not a hard fact, but during the short period I watched Destiny's content, something bothered me, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
Thinking back on it, I now see it as a byproduct of turning politics into a sport. If you debate politics professionally as a sport and do it every other Tuesday, rather than deepening the discussions and allowing yourself to have complex and independent views on different matters, your main incentive is entertaining and winning in the eyes of the public. That's how you keep business going.
Winning requires being liberal when it fits you and whatever else when it fits you. That's not coherence, that's convenience. Destiny can defend left-leaning policy, black lives, and poor people, and in the next breath talk about shooting down protesters. Someone said in a comment above he spoke against Trump's wall but said military intervention in Mexico would be a good option
(a scary option if you're not american and this is the type of liberals we can find in the US, but I digress).
These are not just disagreements with liberal abstract views on state intervention and human rights: it's a complete denial of it. It goes beyond independence of thought.
(Well... we could make the argument that liberalism not as an abstraction but as a movement often stood for property and economic interests above human life in history, so maybe I'm wrong and he's a true liberal, but I digress again)
The veganism thing is just an example of how I think his thought process works. Am I right? Who knows. He might be a more complex individual than I give him credit for, because from where I'm standing it looks as simple as I described.
The thing is I had good expectations of someone who was known for deradicalizing the alt-right. Maybe his content started in a healthier way, but what I found was performance of a debate aesthetic that stands on drama and whatever else works to keep the audience engaged. Whatever hat fits.
We can see it with how he provoked FD. His words had no substance, were straight up respectful, they didn't even make logical sense, but it was very convenient for fresh content.
@@marinareis3606 that's a fair point
You clearly havent watched him talk about veganism if you think his moral outlining of being a meat eater boiled down to "he doesnt want to change his consuming habits" He has clearly said multiple times that he has a unique view on social contracts that MOST meat eaters would NOT agree with him on, making the way most meat eaters justify their diet amoral.
Shouldnt a moral system aim to be coherent ? You cant tell someone their moral system is wrong because it contradicts with how "most people" view animal welfare. Thats just a weak ad populum, especially when he himself points out how his ethics would make most people uncomfortable.
“Unlike Destiny, I know Black people in real life.” Bitch the scream, that I scrumpt!! 😂🤣😭
"What did you tell the kids you served?"
Immediate things to stabilize their situation. It's fine to tell people to focus on practical steps while knowing full well that actual change is going to going to take foundational steps.
The people who ask that aren’t black or aren’t in the communities of working class, exploited and underserved (black included) minorities.
Can’t believe people don’t get this. I do community work too. I teach a class on basic finances from things like choosing a savings account, choosing a strategy that works for you, and saving for retirement. I often talk to people (mostly black and Latino) about living below your means, saving, investing, and education. When I’m talking with individuals this is the message I preach. But I know and have known for a long time this is not enough to make a systemic and cultural change. I vote for as many socialist policies as I can. Support candidates and causes that align with those ideals because I believe that is the only viable path for minorities and the working class.
But of course John from the block doesn’t always want or need to hear all that. He just needs to know how to work within the current system. Maybe he just wants to know what an HSA is or where to get decent health insurance. So I’m going to help him get the best health insurance for his family even if I understand fundamentally no health insurance is truly adequate or acceptable.
@@joelman1989 fds comment on this and yours really opened my eyes to how condescending my thoughts have been about this and kind of out of touch i’ve been when trying to get ppl to understand structural issues when sometimes ppl don’t need to hear allat, this really gives some clarityy
@@aliciagibson6224 thanks man. I’ve been on both sides of this too. Like I started off as a “why don’t you guys just stop buying designer clothing, live below your means, get educated” type mind. But then I got educated. And I realized all of the barriers. How hard it can be to get loans for black people. How hard it can be tj get a job as a felon. How hard it can be to get a job even if you’re not a felon and happen to have a name like Jamal. Language barriers. I grew to kind of hate the personal finance and self help industry. I still mostly do lol. Because at best they are often neglectful of the unique circumstances of minorities. Don’t get me started in Dave Ramsey. And at worst, they’re preying on the disadvantage.
Ultimately I came to the realization that people really need to maximize their wealth especially minorities if they’re even going to have a shot in this system. I’ll use my finance background and gears of research to help people now. But I’m often rubbing shoulders with people who share many of my beliefs about money management and who I know for a fact have some really messed up views on labor and politics etc. So I kind of get a little nauseous when I sound like them lol. I have to get myself back in the mind of a capitalist (without sacrificing my values). Because it’s kind of necessary. But it also helps when I’m talking to people that I can be very understanding and non judgmental. I think I can reach people who might otherwise not listen to this advice.
“Destiny and JonTron would’ve been friends in high school” if that doesn’t speak the 10,000 volumes I don’t know what else will
He's friends with influential white supremacists now instead lol
Damn it's crazy. It's almost like people have the capacity to grow and change over time. Imagine that.
@@tityboi7295 they truly do, when they do it.
Destiny used to be JonTron. He's said as much.
@@tityboi7295 that'd be great if he had actually done that.
Destiny is like the spiritual child of Bill Maher -
the smirky, smarmy, unbearable levels of smug - ugh
you're the first person I've seen make this comparison, but it's dead on.
Waitin on the day someone runs up on his punk ass tbh.
@@MelMelodyWerner you’re right. First time I’ve seen it but it’s spot on
Destiny is pretty damn smug but FD is pretty high up on that scale as well. I do not think either one of them reaches David Pakman levels though.
also both defended causually usuing the n word 🤣
I remember destiny was debating with Michael Brooks and he was googling "can you get out of poverty with enough education" or something like that. It was incredibly stupid. Word of advice to destiny fans: the outside world has more problems than the internet does, go outside and try to solve them, it's more difficult than debating problems on RUclips for millions of dollars.
Go outside? We did, multiple times.
m.ruclips.net/video/bZ-R11G99Fw/видео.htmlm30s
I don’t hate FD for being successful, I just wanted to see an interesting debate between two people I consider interesting. But I’m sure you folks’ll tell me how I must be misguided for wanting it to include Destiny.
Destiny is definitely going to try and bait you into responding again. Don’t.
This part. Not till a donation is made
I just had a huge blowout fight with a friend of mine over queer issues. I was irate, his take struck me as wildly harmful. Then over the course of the conversion he shifted his language from inflammatory to sort of "philosophy divorced from reality" or "utopia ideologies." This clip was super helpful, and poignant. It dawned on me what it was when he said it was a "debate" whereas I was completely consumed by anger. This video outlined their strategies so well and made my intuition feel validated as well. Thanks fd. You're the man.
Ick. Sorry about that. Good luck
Yeah a few key tactics seem to be moving the goalposts from outrageous claims to truisms, and engaging into full blown sophism untethered from reality when necessary, all to keep the upper hand in the “debate” rather than have an actual exchange. I’ve realized I sometimes do the exact thing myself and I’m trying hard to get more cognizant about it.
Sorry you had to go through that
-Destiny's- Nebraska Steve's tweet is literally Rush Limbaugh from the '00s.
This man destiny really accused you of thinking less of black people than the KKK and Nazis....
That's so...blatantly racist in its totality that i don't understand unironically defending that take FOR him
It's not even addressable he's speaking to a hypothetical fd not in this reality.
You should have doubled it again. $100k. Really see what his price is
Edging the edgelords till they cough up that cash 💵
The whole bootstrap thing has been disproven so many times. I myself have worked hard to escape poverty but if it wasn't for the sacrifices of my grandmother, key mentors, and fucking luck. I wouldn't have made it.
A few months ago I had answering a guy who asked why people didn't like destiny I said its because he's kinda racist right and damn if the destiny fans could leave their homes I know I would of got jumped.
He’s kinda racist like any other white person in America
@@blacksteve22 Which is why they should be eradicated. Just sayin' 🤷🏾♀
Its white people in general, i don't know what happened but now white people will freak the fuck out when you say someone is racist. If you don't have a fucking dissertation on why a dude is racist they will assume youre being unreasonable. Somewhere along the line they decided that racism was such a serious accuastion that its wrong to accuse anyone of being it
There's a MAJOR difference between saying things in private and in community and saying things in a space where anybody can take it and run.
Also your last thing is so true. A friend and I are both from the South living in Boston and we talk about how white people up here love to play "folk" music from other white people in the country because they killed off anything like that a long-ass time ago. They "hate" country music while excusing the shit they like as "folk".
Ok you just made me have a huge realization as a white southerner. I love country and I even in the south I used to be a little embarrassed to admit it around “indie” music types but some of the corniest lines I’ve heard in a song is in “folk” music. And some of that stuff sounds plain awful. Not to say there’s some pop country that isn’t also awful but folk does not get that hate.
I've thought for years that there's a problem where in-group conversation on the internet is basically now discoverable by the out-group. So many "SJW Cringe" compilations are basically taking young people working through real issues inside their community and holding them up to scrutiny of a hostile out group.
@@ellekim2617 And it sounds even more awful and lame because they're trying to affect some country -isms that they don't know or don't mean much.
Bluegrass? Hick trash. Indie folk? Peak of white music.
@@Owesomasaurus Holy hell YES! I've realized this as well. Everybody can see other people's business on the internet, and half the time they have no frame of reference for what is being said.
Bruh, NGL I never got into Vaush, Destiny, or any of them...but admittedly, years ago when I first started getting heavy into the political/socioeconomic discourse I was HEAVY into the likes of Kyle Kulinski, Mike Figuero, David Dole, Sam Seder and Friends, Kim Iversen, and later Breaking Points. It wasn't until BLM and the surrounding conversation around that and the black class struggle/systemic racism conversation it opened up...the reparations debate. It was THEN that I started to realize "oh, this shit ain't for me...". I mean, when it comes to the anti-corporate, capitalist brutalism talking points, I'll still pick up their content. Sometimes. But their leftist politics do not align with mine as a black man, no matter how much they try to claim they do...
Heavy on Kyle Kulinski. But now David Dole and Mike Figueredo are the only ones I watch consistently because I haven't yet seen any red flags from them. But yeah, Cornbread Tube was really a blessing because it was the first time I felt like I wasn't relegated to THAT SIDE of Leftube.
Heavy on cornbread tube, but please tell me Seder isn’t anti-reparations
Bruh, a grew being called "militant" by all the white people in my life. Shit my older bro used to joke about the government sending him to kill me when that fucker enlisted. Vaush and Destiny and all these little wealthy Cali liberals were the closest thing to my actual politics, then like a fuckin lighting bolt from the sky the Algorithm served me Primm's Hood Cinema AND FD Signifier during the early weeks of COVID and holy shit cornbread tube has not let me down so far. Ive always had the side eye for Destiny and his little shits. I fucking live for FD calling them on their bullshit.
I feel like David and Mike would actually be open to a conversation with a cornbread tuber like FD because Olay is a member of Leftist Mafia along with them and they are always pretty receptive when she brings up black issues.
My intro into politics is similar to your but I still watch most of the people you listed as well as people from cornbread tube, with the exception of Breaking Points(which was trash) and Kim Iverson(who’s now pretty much a right winger). So for the most part I like the idea of some sort of semblance of balance, which is why like to hear the perspectives of both groups.
I’m in my 40’s and I really got into politics a little over 5 years ago and while I always find it interesting when a black person says their politics don’t align with people like them, I respect it because I feel you can’t tell another person how they should feel about someone’s content or perspective, especially if that someone is from a marginalized community and is trying to find their way. No matter how much I may disagree with their opinion about that content or perspective.
I will say though, I never got into Vaush or Destiny either, their formats never appealed to me in the first place and then to find out later they both low key racist made me feel good about never going down that rabbit hole.
@@0_P.E. I think with a LOT of them, while they do seem to preach the “rising tides lifts all ships”, which from their perspective would make sense, glosses over the all ready deep discrepancies between black and brown vs white economics. If, you know, as I think even Kulinski has referenced, it’s true that for every dollar that a white person is valued at, a black person is only valued at $0.10 cents, then even tho implementing more social policies will help, it still won’t close that gap. We’ll all have access to healthcare for example, which is great, but there will still be inherent class issues. To go a step further into healthcare (just the easiest issue to use as example) even when black people DO have access to healthcare our health outcomes are significantly worse than that of whites. These gaps would still exist even by removing the barriers to access because the issue is with the institutions themselves. Just look at public schools as another example. Schools in suburban white neighborhoods are far better than those in urban neighborhoods. Even though its a social program.
So while I do agree with much of what left tube espouses, their rhetoric is coming from a place of, let’s be honest, privilege. Kulinski, Ball, Seder…all these people come from positions of relative comfort. Which is why, while they do have some good commentary, you’ll rarely (if ever) see them on ground and actually getting involved in the activism necessary to implement the changes they so readily support. Why? Because they’re good. Which makes them far removed from the working class, and infinitely further away from the black and brown working class. Now, again, I absolutely agree with their analysis of corporate greed, govt. corruption, and our collapsing media/journalistic space so I still appreciate them for that. But I had to come to the realization that what they promote, mainly change through the electoral process will never work for black and brown people because that solution is not urgent enough. They claim to be far left, and maybe so in their ideas, but their solutions, again slow change through electoral processes and their avoidance of radical action seems a bit tone deaf when the bodies are literally piling up in urban communities due to decades of neglect.
We getting the video same day as the livestream? Damn, FD putting in work
"I only debate my equals. All others I teach." That quote is amazing. In no way should you ever go debate Destiny. It is so bad faith. If he wants to learn he would go learn. He doesn't need to debate anyone, he needs to go educate himself.
Destiny is 1000% more educated than fd signifer. Does this brother even read book or look up studies. Or does just talk like the rest. Let's be clear.
@@NoInFoo8 K'😀
@@DAV3NY tighten up
@@NoInFoo8 "I only debate my equals. All others I teach."
@Daveny Ellis that's very arrogant to say when, you don't have an education, more wealth or status. Everyone is your equal because your nobody tuh. You don't teach because you don't know. You dudes gotta stop being fake smart.
Here for the "I won't speak with you unless you pay to these orgs" direction for RUclips conversations.
also "streamer daddy" laughing and cringing simultaneously. Spot on commentary
F.D. You’re exactly right. I used to be a destiny and vaush fan thinking they had a wide perspective in the matter. Then I came across your channel and the difference is like the distance between the sky and ocean. These guys never left their home unless it was for their own interest. Never getting involved or doing anything towards the community. Just sit behind a screen and say the most edgy shit. I can’t unsee it and I’m actually grateful there’s people like you and Sam Seder (y’all are the American dads we need). Great video as always man 🤌🏽
vaush does infinitely more for his community than this clown😂
Very rare bro. Don’t be reactionary shitlib dude. You will regret it once u matured a bit .
@@Mongrelntruder homie. he lives in atlanta. please describe what he is and isnt doing for his community compared to vaush living on the west coast and likely doesnt live within spitting distance of another black person. touch grass, you literally have no irl friends.
Honestly I think even $50k is selling yourself short Fiq! Go big! Destiny should donate $250k _at least_ ! He's a self-proclaimed millionaire, $250k should be just a drop in the bucket! 😈
Nebraska Steve? Do ppl call him that? Das just what I'm gonna call him now frfr lmao.
I'm mad I didn't stick around for this cause I would've been cutting up in chat lmfaoo
I enjoy your videos and I’m not American and I especially enjoyed this one because someone has finally said it. The Debate Bros are insincere at best and grifting at worst. I’m glad that you can see through the nonsense that is Destiny. Curiously I’ve seen his opinions taken apart when he does debate with an adult. When he debated Economist and Professor Richard Woolf or Even Sam Seder it becomes apparent he as a lot missing from his knowledge and understanding. In some ways he reminds me of Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro speaking with college students. Using logical fallacies and verbal gymnastics to seem articulate. The difference between him and you is. He has no point ! You learn nothing and if you’re beguiled by his fast talking gobbledygook then you’re not really paying attention.
I legit don't get how all these white boys/girls/other streamers think they know more about the black experience than an actual black man that has done social work in his community.
That's good old fashion white paternalism. In their minds, black people are like ignorant children that need to be led by the hand and told what to do by their [white] superiors.
That's what I think everytime I watch Hasan
Never fails to astonish me that Destiny is still a thing. He was unbearable like a decade and a half ago in the starcraft community and he is somehow even more relevant and more obnoxious today.
Why was he disliked in the sc community?
@@FloatingErgonaut Same reason as today, honestly. Loud, obnoxious edgelord with an equally obnoxious fanbase.
@@FloatingErgonaut For being a toxic sociopath just like he is now
@@FloatingErgonaut Because he thought he could be the next IdrA and 'shitpost' his way to success in the eSports scene. That's why he fostered a cult of personality with his memes and degenerative humor. He wanted the attention that kind of drama brings in his life. So he emulated the most toxic member of the SC2 community at the time and made a following for himself. Destiny has always been about having people worship him at the expense of others.
@@Magus_Union Damn I didn't know that. Not surprising at all
Excellent live bro! Destiny is racist point blank and the period! This is the same man that was banned off of Twitch because of controversial comments that he made about black people. I remember when Destiny made comments about Kai Cenat and IshowSpeed who are two black twitch streamers and how he made a generalization that black twitch streamers content have no substances and minimalized their work by saying all they do is just scream and yell into the camera. Secondly, Destiny bringing a racist onto his platform just to combat his talking points is racist within it's self because my question would be what was it for, and what did you gain out of that. this whole situation is giving "White Savior" you platform a racist to debunk his talking points not understanding that you gave this man access to harm millions of black people by spewing harmful and stereotypical rhetoric it sounds like Destiny just did that in order to proposition himself as an ally when in reality he does not care about the plights of black people. Next, The whole situation between Destiny and FD Signifier was white supremacy because why would you as a whole white man interject into black people's business just to give this blanket statement that was rooted in "Pull yourself up from the bootstraps" which is a racist dog whistle that white people do all the time in order to make black peoples failures their own fault and leaving out the systemic obstacles put in place that keep black people in poverty. In order for systematic racism to sustain itself it has to allow people to pass through in order to establish this false sense of hope that you as a black person can degree, invest, or buy your way out of oppression and that's not how that works and it leaves out a key component that in order for black people to become free this country would have to undergo a significant socioeconomic change black people cannot do this by themselves they need help from everyone, what was also interesting was that Destiny came at FD Signifier when the mans comment was actually pointing out the issues in Killer Mike's comments that was rooted in conservative and racist rhetoric. Killer Mike is so anti black this man literally met and cosigns Brian Kemp a racist politician who is actively working to suppress black people's votes, Killer Mike even made anti black comments about black women calling them "Bad Wig Mafia" which is not only anti black, but disgusting. I always say who you align with is your politic Destiny been racist and Aba been anti black because who would make a joke about donating to Atlanta Police Department when we know that the institution of policing is a contributor and indoctrinator of racism and oppression. Even the term "Good Cops" does not work because either you get killed off or you become swallowed up by the system. How many times of we seen black cops treat their own people bad! This situation is a mess!
Destiny isn't a racist just because "point blank period."
Believe it or not, racist actually has a definition, and it's not "person whose skin color is different than me that I do not like." Donating to cops =/= racist, teenager.
FD is the only racist I see in this video, willing to dro actual racist slurs directed towards minorities. Pathetic behavior.
Also, why are you lying about Destint speaking about black people?
He was never banned for that, nor for the Kai Cenat / IshowSpeed comments. His comments were not abiut the entire black community you raging racist. It was about this new emerging trend of popular black creators that are just loud and he doesn't get it. That's not directed at all black people and that's not a bad thing... he just said he doesn't get it. Why such a manipulative liar?
"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is not a racist dogwhistle, stop making shit up. And Destiny's interaction with FD had no white supremacy aspects at all, there you are lying again. Is it that you can't attack Destiny's actual position, so you make it up instead???
@@DogshitArgument He is racist! I'm not arguing with you about that and what your doing is a prime example of what racist do!
@@DogshitArgument "my online daddy ain't no racist, he's not. That would mean that I.. never mind, he's no racist"
was going to watch this but you are wealthy
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i only have personal experience with this through transphobia (im a white trans bloke) but it always stuns me how people with privelige can just sit on their high horse and talk like they understand marginalised peoples’ lives better than those marginalised people do. just over and over again, in newspapers and twitter and in the bloody parliament, making it painfully obvious that theyve never so much as met anyone in that community but giving their own imagined version of them like its the undeniable truth. how on earth do you get to that level of self confidence?? how do you feel entitled to do that?? embarrassing - or it would be if there werent so many people taking bullshitters like that at their word. eff destiny honestly
As a black bloke I get that just being marginalized doesn't make you a good advocate for your group, i.e., BlairWhite or Candace Owen. I also don't think it is good to get keep when some can or can't advocate.
@@robertterrell7057 well no, i definitely welcome cis people advocating for us, but theres a difference between helping out and clueless declarations about what we “should” be doing. a cis person sitting alone in a room isnt going to produce a solution for all trans problems - theyd have to actually get to know us and learn about the problems we face. it seems like destiny and the like are convinced they already know everything there is to know, no learning required, and are fully equipped to tell everyone what to do, lol - thats what strikes me as entitled
@@jimmyjenkins4425 When you say "should" I think of it critiquing how a political movement is doing advocacy. Which anybody can do. Especially when that person. Knows the other side that those movements are trying to reach or should be trying to reach. IE Him calling stuff like "ACAB, health at every size, Her body her choice," Stupid(Well he says a whole lot more lol and a lot i disagree with) because they are complete shut offs for people those movements are trying to convince. So to circle back yeah he sure does come off as smug but sometimes you dont have to read 5+ books on a given demographic to say something they are doing is wrong.
The thing I’ve realized as a cis white-passing man is that I find myself talking about heavy stuff pretty easily. But when I talk about it with someone actually concerned by the issues, suddenly I realize it just comes off as incredibly insensitive and presumptuous. It’s made me realize what privilege looks like when talking about societal issues. Now I try to be aware of that.
It’s crazy how FD exposed the centuries to leftist pipeline. As a former fan of Aba and Preach, I have been saved!
Same! Centrist*
May I ask why you're a former fan? Ive been grappling with some of their views the last couple years..
@@kacethegreat4560 they're diet conservatives. I still find some of their stuff funny but they(particularly Aba) say a lot of weird shit
@@jon-cx7jq i don't agree but some of the stuff they post nowadays is just internet drama 😢
@@jon-cx7jq That's cause Aba's a lil edgyboy who doesn't engage with the status quo, or "wokism" in his words.
I remember Killer Mike's Netflix series and his encouragement to shop black businesses, which I thought wasn't a terrible idea. *Edit; And he specifically was telling white people to do that.
It's the trolley problem. It seems like a good idea on paper, but thinking the only way out is to "out-capitalism" people that are inherently approaching from a position of more wealth/power is a fool's errand. It only works if you accept the framing.
That show made me so angry. Capitalism has never, will never, and can never liberate anyone: the problem is structural. Has Killer Mike ever heard of Soul City? I want to see him stand on what is left of those streets and talk about how capitalism is going to solve a damn thing.
@@Robstafarian he's probably not thinking further than working within a system that dominates our daily life. I agree with you about Capitalism for the most part, but it's going to take a collapse for it to go away and make people see that. What replaces it is also a problem. The void left will have to be filled by something and I hope the collective has a good idea what goes in its stead.
@@Robstafarianyeah but nobody has 200 years to watch the system change. I think if one has capital in a capitalist system, then putting that capital in marginalized communities is the only thing they can do if they don't want to play by all the rules of the system. They can not not play by all the rules, but they can ignore some of them
@@akshayde I am not advocating for people to watch the system change. I am saying that advocating for the continuation of the system prolongs the problem. In addition to putting capital into marginalized communities, dual power should be established and expanded.
"unlike destiny, I know black people in real life." I mean that is a lot of what needs to be said. I prefer cold takes so I avoid most "debate bros" because they just swim in the waters of drama. I'll catch the aftermath of all this like a month from now.
Not a vaush fan any more. Haven't been for a year now and Destiny is still kinda on his drama content Arc. I preferred when Destiny spoke to actual PHD's and scholars as opposed what he does now which is basically farming content off of racists, streamers with hot takes, a hand full of black streamer, and content creators.
I stopped watching destiny because i had a job and didn't have the time, i checked back in like a year later and i was struck by how mean spirited he felt after a year in the real world. Like beyond anything concretley political the dude is just kind of an asshole so i never came back. Felt like id dodged a bullet when i heard he was hanging out with fuentues and lauren southern.
On the topic of "they used to actually talk with smart people" the same is true with vaush, and they both have the same excuse "its boring when i just talk to people i agree with" . But its like they're both dumbasses with near non-existent knowledge of theory and activism, every time they had an intelectual on it was them being told about something they didn't know and they have the cheek to be like "we just agree" its like you didn't even know about this shit before you had the guest on, you can't agree to shit you didn't even know.
I still don't get why Destiny is considered some kind of expert in debate
Because he's good at debating tighten up 😂
Because debate doesn’t determine whether or not the person has good takes. It just determines how good they are at sophistry.
That's the one thing he and his ilk are actually sort of good at. When you're a privileged "apolitical" literal Bourgeois in the Marxist sense white man actively served by the status quo, with no actual stake in anything, it's easier to be glib and spout little quips that can be clipped out of context to make teenagers think you're some sort of epic brain genius than when you actually care about something and can't just treat real life-or-death matters as a game or an exercise in sophistry.
Because yt folks love a “both sides” debater
STOP COP CITY LETS GO!!! Unc is killing it
As a destiny fan who only recently started watching his content the past 6 months then found your channel, (Great content btw) this is hilarious. I don’t do Reddit or discord I have a life and no interest to jam my head in a rabbit hole. Just watch from a distance and find things entertaining. Your content though has with a week completely changed how I viewed masculinity, my long term relationship, father hood and how I view success. No one on RUclips has been as impactful to me as you’re. Glad to be here.
Thats dope!
I love this💪🏼💪🏼
As a Jewish person… trust when I say that wealthy people do not uplift your community.
We have high levels of wealth and VERY high levels of poverty in the same ethnic group. Capital never uplifts the group
Really?! This is fascinating to me. What part of the world are you from? I need to put on my Google detective hat
@@dahliaherrod4301 america, 16%-20% of Ashkenazi Jewish households in america make less than $30,000 a year. 45% of Jewish children live in poor or near poor households
And Ashkenazi Jews are (usually) white Jews, and the Jews associated with wealth.
Brooklyn is a great example with a population grouping near 37% of households are considered bordering poverty with very high density of jewish populations
@@dahliaherrod4301 there are plenty of Jews with a high income, but there are far far more Jews who are poor or working class
@@SvenDzahov Huh! My mind is blown right now bc this is not the story that gets shared with the world, especially black America. We're told y'all are the richest and have the most control over banks and media. There's no discussion of those who are considered poverty-level. Thank you for sharing bc I will definitely do more research on my own
@@dahliaherrod4301 yeah a lot of it is just millennia old racist rhetoric, I mean even before the Nazis and the Holocaust, well before it.
In the Middle Ages Christian’s widely did not lend money for it’s against the Bible, and Jews were not allowed into working guilds or noble fiefs so Jews in europe lived in poor towns outside cities not allowed to enter and would lend money because it was illegal for us to work.
That’s where the stereotype sort of comes from. As well as because we weren’t allowed in cities, during the bubonic plague many European Jewish communities were untouched by the plague. Leaving Europeans to believe jews were poisoning the wells and grain stores.
This never happened but of course combine this with the “all jews are greedy goblins” and there’s been mistrust for hundreds of years.
There’s a little both ways as well, obviously the power dynamics lean towards the Europeans but jews at the time believing the holy land was their birth right (i nor many modern jews believe in this, it’s free Palestine around here). Jews would not lend money for the crusades sort of a “no I’m not gonna pay some random German mfer to invade my homeland”. As well as jews we’re not fond of Europeans due to our mistreatment and the culture of not doing business with British, German, Italian and Spanish people started
Killer Mike in 2016 was my hero
I thought he was great too then, but I'm certain it was the politics he was putting for then.
I think you over-value what Destiny wants from you. Destiny understands the systemic racism exists the issue is that debating that is NOT fun. The point if the tweet is that complaining about systems that you can’t change while also saying that black people can’t do anything about their station. Also Destiny has done more than one instance of canvassing (NOT in just Nebraska) which he pays out of his own pocket. Destiny says stupid shit A LOT of the time but this is the problem when you want to talk out of the side of your neck to someone you refuse to interact with.
This man says it clearly as well ruclips.net/video/eabMQMIGuaE/видео.html
" Destiny understands the systemic racism exists"
So he knowingly donated 10k to maintaining it? That's the only possible explanation.
@@DeoMachina How is that so?
@@takun87 Did you miss the part where Destiny put the money towards the cops
@@DeoMachina
Tldr;
(Paying money to the police department was a shit post [really fucking dumb imo] in response to this shit post; telling individuals how a system is screwing them over with no political action plan is NOT activism nor advice it's just a circle jerk; We are individuals and should be given individual advice not advice about the system. This is by no means to say systemic racism is not important for all Americans [especially black Americans] to know and understand. I would say it's pivotal especially when trying to give advice. Destiny and F.D are correct they are just too stupid and prideful to understand that.
You're completely missing the point of why he did that. The fact that F.D is basically trying to have Destiny do the Booker T. Washington of "prove you aren't a racist by capitulating to my demands" is a shit post by F.D. This man is in his 30's saying he will only talk to him if he donates 50k and that it won't be a conversation because they aren't "equals" in his mind. Donating 10k to the police department was more of F*ck you to F.D not an actual political opinion. I think you and F.D are forgetting the part where TALKING on the internet is NOT political action. Telling black Americans that they are screwed because of systemic racism isn't POLITICAL ACTION. F.D has even stated this in his videos but since he is a video essayist and not an orator, he falls back on this backwards worldview of how one person must be a thing because they have nuance on a topic that seemingly goes against what I believe to be correct. The thing is F.D and Destiny are both right here they are just both too stupid to see it: It is ESSENTIAL, and I mean ESSENTIAL for black Americans to know and understand systemic racism, but when giving individual advice there is no magic bullet. Systemic issues need to be dealt with by the people towards the system, not Killah telling someone online that you can't get ahead because of systemic racism. That's a foolish thing to say. Just because there are attitudes and perceptions in place does not mean that one should not try at all. We live in an environment where don't personally interact with a system every single day directly. So, telling someone about an issue that has to be systemically changed does not change their current situation. If I talk to a homeless person and say, "damn if only we had systems in place to help with home displacement and a better mental/healthcare system you wouldn't have to be homeless." fixes nothing about his station NOR the system it's just circle jerking even though what I am saying is true. It's way more nuanced than that at the INDIVIDUAL level. If it was systematic racism that is an entirely different argument. You all should understand that systemic racism can still perpetuate even if there is NO racist actors in play. This is the main issue why Destiny does not take F.D or a lot of Corn/Breadtube seriously. The level of smarmy smugness F.D displays here is disheartening. I am not here to say what Destiny did was good, it was stupid brain dead shit, but it's not his obligation to be kind to F.D or his movement when F.D literally spent this entire video saying how he has 0 respect for Destiny even though he does canvasing, attacks the right, and is "probably not racist" but says he doesn't care about causes he argues even though he has donated and done actual real world activism out of his own pocket.
"You'll eventually stop watching them". This was so true for me; that few months of the Vaush Period in my life was a weird couple months.
Relatable
lmao you got called low iq. Someone without the ability to think for themselves and instead just accepts everything someone says until another thing comes along, and youre happy about it. LMAO
"How many more of my heroes am I gonna have to bury before I pass?" hurts, man.
As someone whose watched a bit of both of your content I'll say the first day or so I started watching Destiny and he was giving GYM ADVICE like an absolute certified expert cause he has a personal trainer and was echoing all his stuff. This guy Destiny had JUST STARTED working out and spoke with absolute authority to his chat like he was a lifetime gym bro with perfect form, I knew he would over step on any subject despite being a total dilletante. He has no ability to humble himself and admit hes way way in over his head and his first instinct is to fight and push back before anything.
I later saw his takes on black issues and he was completely clueless but would dress down people on them regardless. He wants to "well actually" on EVERY SINGLE black issue and he has no background or close associations with the black community in his personal life from what I can tell it's just purely from an internet bro "I wanna argue" perspective. I've said over and over it's probably his worst issue and its not very close.
I wish F.D would stop calling me out lol. I was a former Vaush fan, yes I do need a shape up lol but I go to the shop everytime F.D brings it up. It was recently Vaush I realized how racist Vaush is. I understand that political awakening doesn't stop, you have to constantly be vigilant of griefers and the faux left.
Don't think of it as getting called out. Your eyes are open. That's what matters. My mom always said "if you know better, you go better." Shoutout to you for recognizing. Some people don't.
I took a casual glance at the subreddit and BOY do they need to touch grass and grow empathy.
I appreciate your note about being a downer/being real. I hate that anytime someone notes the realities of a situation the peanut gallery comes in screaming about being positive. Like, bffr…these situations are grim and the solutions are so far out of reach until we get a grip and look clearly at what we’re facing. It’s uncomfortable for a reason.
Like I said on twitter, Destiny is just Ben Shapiro but more arrogant and an even more annoying voice.
He’s 2 Ben Shapiros in a trench coat.
@@lividsunshine8968 he way too short for that.
im so mad i missed this live, but thank you for constantly just laying this shit out like it is. the bullshit internet content veil is so distracting, and purposefully so
Destiny is gross. He’s been so gross for so long. I cannot believe anyone listens to him. He showed his cards a long time ago. I just guess some people choose to ignore it.
That Greenwood thing truly upset me. Hubs and I thought we'd have the opportunity to move our business to them and to feed back into an economical model designed to help make the American Black community whole. I was so disappointed to learn that it's not even a Black-owned bank.
I found Destiny through a conversation he had with Brittany Simon. Since then I’ve watched countless hours of his debates and drama. I find the conversations to be pretty entertaining. He has a lot of bad takes, but also a lot of good ones. And the way he rationalizes is interesting. I also just like seeing people argue about ideas.
I think he has a big ego and you are 100% right about the way he antagonizes people to fight with him because that’s the entertainment the audience is looking for. It’s very unserious.
I don’t think you should debate him at all. The first time I heard him mention you I was confused and honestly offended because you are one of my favs. The next time I heard it I could tell he was just trying to lure you into the battle arena. I’m glad you didn’t fall for it.
I’ve never watched destiny. Guess I won’t now.
You’ve never had an original thought in your life have you
@@killdenoI'm sure neither have you with replies like that. Do better
Idk how people think destiny is left at all really, especially anymore, Ig he's not a nazi right? But he's center at best
Socially he is center left but economically he is a neo-liberal. Honestly its easier to look at him as anti-left. He yells at conservatives and the right a lot, but he is far more charitable to them than he is for the left because there are more opportunities to doing this.
@Icon Behemoth What made beliefs make someone left? Specifically what destiny is lacking
@@robertterrell7057 probably between progressive/liberal leaning to communist. Destiny always says that he is progressive but nearly every economic change progressive/lefties wants to do, he feels it need to be means-tested or put some impossible barrier of entry.
@Icon Behemoth I don't watch him that much. But he said he pro UBI and something like reparations. I don't remember his exact words
But I know he is pro gov funded Healthcare and ain't no fucking way that's center (generally)
Man I'm just feeling insulted as a pro wrestling fan, lol.
What'd we do?! /s
I actually know someone who said they spent almost 5 years just working and coming home to a single bed room with only a futon, now he works part time and a his main job is cashing and reuping his bonds. His story would be aspirational to me if he wasn't in his late 50s.
glad your wife was able to quit
good to see black ppl doing well
So it's okay for FD to get his wife to quit but wrong for Mike to give people advice for them to do the same thing?
@@andersonboyer6886 Yes, exactly that. You understood what FD’s talking about perfectly. Clap clap for you.
@@andersonboyer6886 like go into deep college debt thru grad school and then expose themselves to white online bullcrap! Accessible for everyone!
@@SirCamera isn't FD's message that given Mike's platform and reach, that him pushing striverism and pull yourselves up from your bootstrap talking points unnecessary and a distraction from systemic issues?
@@andersonboyer6886 Given how Mike employs revolutionary “Kill Your Masters” aesthetics on his records, then turns around and sells conservative bootstraps “individual fiscal responsibility” cliches, I’d say the critique is warranted.
FD never says “Don’t do what’s in your power to better your situation” or “There’s nothing you can do to better your situation because of systemic racism.” He’s saying there’s only so far Killer Mike’s “pull up your pants and buy into the system” advice can take you before you hit a ceiling that’s been decided for you by white supremacy. Killer Mike’s bootstraps advice isn’t the solution to greater socioeconomic change in America.
So yes, it’s okay for FD to do well under capitalism and still call for a better system. And it’s okay for him to criticize people like Landlord Mike who act like Black folks just need to do well under capitalism and then inequality will be fixed. Capitalism will always need poor, exploited people in order to exist.
dont debate him. he is a strong sophist. just keep doing well thought out videos that are way more interesting please
“They hate that I’m growing without their permission.” 🗣️ SPEAK ON IT FD!!! 💅🏾
Not gonna lie I feel you FD and I know why you don’t wanna talk to Destiny but I do want y’all to actually talk because he lowkey brought me to you lowkey by way of algorithm. And I still watching him but I’m more on your team because Chicago and we align more 100%
Lol from this that clown went and said you called him a nazi for disagreeing with him
Fd signifier is a coward who has nothing to stand on. Since we're throwing around buzz words fd signifier is mad racist!
Don’t forget to protect your peace. It’s good that you won’t wade into a debate without getting some money for a good cause, but still, continue monitoring how much energy you give to people who aren’t currently edifying your life in any meaningful way.
While it’s obvious that many fans from many camps, including your own, want to see you debate folks like Destiny, I know I’d much rather catch you on stream with folks like Foreign, Bellamy, Finn, Aranock, Andrewism, and others, talking about things of substance and cutting up over ridiculous things like Foreign’s feet or Bellamy having no chill in the live stream moderation. Seeing people who, presumably, like each other and making content with each other not only entertains me while educating me, but it also feeds my soul, not my vices.
The guy from the COUP is still good right? :(
lmao, watch FD take the "This Debate Bro debate me shit is Kayfabe fr" and just run with it to his own ends with that donation shit is *Chef's kiss* top shelf. Nice to see he knows what his value is to get into the steel cage for inane shit, and that HE KNOWS now that Destiny's audience is just going to keep bugging him about fronting the money to get the match set up XD.
If destiny pays up, go on his stream and blast copyrighted music, the end. Steven is not worth talking to
"How many heroes am I gonna have to bury"
It started with my bro in '13 and hasn't stopped since....
Always remember that Hasan's 'weaselly little liar' rant is about Destiny. I keep that fact front and center in all considerations regarding that dumbshit. Keep doing what you do FD. Peace.
It's rough seeing Killer Mike go from campaigning for Bernie Sanders twice to just going full capitalism to solve people's problems. I'm not saying Bernie is the answer to everything, but it's obvious KM grifted hard to me. FD nailed it per usual.
Ducking hard af making a video from his echo chamber
As a life long pro wrestling fan (Unc may be backlogged on ideas but I’m still waiting for him to hit me back for the wrestling video *cough cough*) I can 1000% vouch for the interaction he describes with these fans being like wrestlers and their fans when they get into Twitter spats with real fighters . They like the pro wrestling elements and all the talk and maybe even want to entertain the idea their guy could beat someone who really been in the trenches under specific and impractical circumstances but in the back of their minds know how much it’d take to make it happen and how it won’t end well because their guy knows nothing or not nearly enough for the task at hand . As much as it pains me to say this (because I love cm punk) destiny debating with people who actually do black issues is like would end like CM punk in the ufc.
I have no idea who any of these people except KM are, but I am currently listening to a podcast series about Vince McMahon, and this comment made this video make a lot of sense, lol. Thanks!
Listening to “RAP Music” and RTJ plus seeing all of Killer Mike’s critiques of Obama and the DNC really helped me in shaping my politics at such a young age. I feel like ever since 2020 with the speech during the riots in Atlanta Mike’s politics started shifting. Sad to see honestly.
"If I don't see them as equals, I'm not coming through without a check" 🔥🔥🔥
Practically every problem can be talked about on at least two levels, what can a person do to cope with the situation, or what can we as a community/society do to fix the problem. A lot of conflict can come out of people expecting one of those things and getting the other.
Black folks need to accept the fact we're not a culturally, politically, religiously etc collective.
Straight up I used to be a vaush fan for like a solid 2 weeks over covid. Then during one of the vids someone reference his "tactical n word technique" and after going back and watching vaush drop a hard r in a group call with a liberal, a republican, and a Nazi a whole lotta microaggresions made a lot more sense
Hoe destiny only believes in saying it privately, so you're good to watch!