The Great Japanese Motorcycle War

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  • Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024

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  • @lght5548
    @lght5548 Год назад +103

    My father couldn't afford to buy me a new bike, but he found 2 Honda 65's that didn't run and bought them cheap. He cobbled a running one from these 2 and my life has never been the same. Best dad ever. I miss him and that sweet little Honda! Got a Honda and 2 BMW bikes in the garage. 😁

    • @collenfisher3635
      @collenfisher3635 Год назад +5

      I deed. That be a good dad.

    • @rhelouin
      @rhelouin Год назад +8

      God bless your dad. Love finds a way to overcome lack of money.

    • @funguy4utube
      @funguy4utube Год назад +2

      I have similar memories ... I don't think I showed enough appreciation .... I hope I am wrong. I wish I could relive some of those times and be able to really tell him how great a dad he was.

    • @davidellis7081
      @davidellis7081 Год назад +1

      After the "motorcycle bug" bit, my Pop brought home a 1965 Kawasaki B8T 125cc basket case. Sadly, it was not all there, so it never ran. But the next bike was the charm: a 1967 Yamaha G5S 80cc, with upswept exhaust, which was a fun little scrambler! Sure learned a lot riding, and wrenching, on that bike before moving up to a Triumph T25T, and then a BMW R75/5, and others. Ride on!

  • @alandavies55
    @alandavies55 Год назад +151

    Being fascinated by old bikes, I once asked a Japanese mechanic if many of their bikes made before the rise of the big four had survived. He replied, "no, most of of them were recycled. Completely different culture, in the UK you revere old machines, while in Japan we revere old people". Thinking of some of the care home abuses I have seen in recent years, he may well have had a point.

    • @andrewslagle1974
      @andrewslagle1974 Год назад

      Cheep junk like there cars !

    • @sscbkr48
      @sscbkr48 Год назад +15

      A cultural truism.. in my country, the Japanese, Chinese and Germans were sent inland at the start of the war. I lived next to Japan town and Chinatown, a stone's throw from the city park on a beautiful lake. The Japanese and Chinese were highly respectful of their elders, elders represented wisdom. By contrast, elders in western society are kicked to the curb. The west values youth and cool, not wisdom. As a kid my world was the Hardy Boy's and Terry and the Pirates. Japanese and British motorcycles were everywhere. While the British bikes were stylistically loud and cool, the Japanese bikes were quiet and reliable. The disconnected character free modern era has nothing on the past. At least we have our memories. 😃

    • @elotabung
      @elotabung Год назад +8

      @@sscbkr48 Asians in general are respecting their elder highly. It's part of the culture for hundreth of years.

    • @JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
      @JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski Год назад +7

      Japan has always been extremely impoverished when it comes to sources of industrial metals. they didn't fold katana steel "1000 times" because it's some secret to creating an unbeatable sword. no, they did it because their steel was very scarce and of poor quality so they had to think of a way to reinforce it. which is also why their swords are so skinny relative to the rest of the worlds sword designs.
      thats why they recycled their bikes. not because Japan is irreverent of their past. that doesn't make any sense. they have a special room in their house that where one wall is dedicated to displaying their family crest and their paternal relatives samurai armor and sword. Japan loves their past deeply...maybe even too deeply.

    • @JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
      @JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski Год назад +1

      to think the west doesn't revere it's elders is to not have studied western history beyond surface level. the west just developed the thought that the truly wise elder knows when to pass the baton to the younger generation whereas some eastern cultures just align behind the eldest citizens until their death meaning the younger generation doesn't get to become it's own master until it's already elderly.

  • @paulrevere9071
    @paulrevere9071 Год назад +52

    Honda S90---CB and Dream 160---305 Super Hawk---Yamaha Twin Jet 100---305 Big Bear...these were the bikes that inspired an entire generation! The 60's were on fire!

  • @dwheeler016
    @dwheeler016 Год назад +83

    My little Honda was a great bike. It was my first bike. I had no license and it took me everywhere with no issues. I wish I still had it.

    • @rjung_ch
      @rjung_ch Год назад +9

      My first one was an XL125, in 1976. The slowest one, my buddies were all faster, but not off road. 🙂

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 Год назад +2

      plenty of mopeds in thailand buy one and put it on display in the livingroom amigo!

    • @carlos-ju7ce
      @carlos-ju7ce Год назад +2

      My first bike was an old 185XLS. These days I ride the bulletproof reliability Halfrica Twin, I aka CB500X😅

  • @gladegoodrich2297
    @gladegoodrich2297 Год назад +13

    My little Honda 50 got me to work every day. Rode it all 4 seasons, even through the snow storms.

  • @chrismoody1342
    @chrismoody1342 Год назад +74

    For the first two decades I rode nothing but Hondas. 55 years later I still riding Japanese motorcycles. I found them dead reliable, never failed to start and run. Never had a catastrophic failure. For me maintenance was tires, gas, oil and chain.

    • @Pabloman333
      @Pabloman333 Год назад +6

      I've been a Japanese motorcycle fan since I got off my Tucumseh powered mini bike!
      I quickly grew to love inline 4 cylinder engines. My first being a 1985 Kawasaki Ninja 600.

    • @collenfisher3635
      @collenfisher3635 Год назад

      Tel that to my idiotid Ducati friends. Lumps of s h i t!!

    • @davidmann4533
      @davidmann4533 Год назад +5

      You are so right Harley Davidson makes a lousy motorcycle One once that was enough

    • @rhelouin
      @rhelouin Год назад +4

      I have had many brands over the 60 years of ownership but I always said if you want to get where you want to go, and more importantly, be sure of a no fail return, the gas tank should have HONDA written on the side.

    • @collenfisher3635
      @collenfisher3635 Год назад +1

      @@rhelouin oh yeah!!!!

  • @simonlye007
    @simonlye007 Год назад +51

    In the UK, when the Honda Benley 125 was introduced, our similarly priced British alternative was (drum roll) the BSA Bantam. I'm sorry but the BSA was no contest against the twin cylinder, electric start, super reliable and affordable beast from the east. Thanks for rekindling fond memories, amazing footage and very listenable narration.

    • @mrnobodytheuser2950
      @mrnobodytheuser2950 Год назад

      So you got better Bikes but lost a part of your culture, a sad trade.

    • @simonlye007
      @simonlye007 Год назад +1

      @@mrnobodytheuser2950 Hi, yes, you're quite right. Us Brits need to remind ourselves occasionally that we're good at low volume, quality, niche market products. The Japanese can do both high (motor vehicles, cameras) and low volume production (hand beaten Samurai swords and ceramics)

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller Год назад +9

    That little black bike in your thumbnail, the Honda 90 Sport, was the first bike I rode. My elder brother in the Navy came home on one when I was fifteen back in the 1960s. I fell in love immediately. Now in my 70s I'm still riding - but the bikes are bigger.

  • @darwinskeeper421
    @darwinskeeper421 Год назад +16

    Thanks for creating this video. I knew very little about Honda before it came to America in the 1960s. This video explained how Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki were able to dominate the rest of the world.

  • @spencerdawkins
    @spencerdawkins Год назад +7

    This video is a great appetizer for the excellent videos on the history of individual Japanese motorcycle manufacturers on RUclips (search for them). Each is about 40-50 minutes long. You pick up lots of interesting knowledge and trivia - to take one example, Yamaha made excellent pianos from the opening of Japan to the west, until the Second World War, and after that, they didn't have the manufacturing capability to continue making pianos, and no one in bombed-out Japan had money to spend on high-end pianos anyway. So, after some reflection, they started making motorcycles like their company's survival depended on it - it did. And that, children, is why the Yamaha logo STILL has three tuning forks ...
    Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 😎

    • @huntermad5668
      @huntermad5668 Год назад +1

      Well, not like abandoned it anyway. Yamaha Electric piano has been essentially the standard for a long long time.

  • @kerm9807
    @kerm9807 Год назад +13

    Why haven't you got more subscribers?
    Channel is class 💯👌👌

  • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
    @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 Год назад +21

    Thank you for the informative lesson on the history of Japanese bikes. Yes, they came to the west and started selling and continued to, while the British and Harley needed more maintenance. I've owned more Hondas than any other brand, because they've made either the best, or one of, and a complete spectrum of models.

  • @victoriazero8869
    @victoriazero8869 Год назад +9

    Japan found that the key to winning the market is not to go big... but to go *small*
    Asahi's 175cc paved that pathway early on, Honda took it sprinting with the Cub after the war.

  • @aaroncutting
    @aaroncutting Год назад +24

    Always awesome to hear the history of some of my favorite motorcycle manufacturers!

  • @CaptHollister
    @CaptHollister Год назад +18

    The Meguro brand still exists as part of Kawasaki. It was relaunched a couple of years ago with a version of the Kawasaki W800.

  • @derjaeger3321
    @derjaeger3321 Год назад +3

    My first MC was a 50cc Bridgestone, a Honda 305 Scrambler, suddenly, in a moment of insanity, I purchased a highly modified 650 BSA she was beautiful and a total garage queen, it was broke all the time. Sanity returned in the guise of reliable and fun to ride Honda 350 CB, after two years I sold it to purchase an engagement ring ( we just had out 50th anniversary). I missed bikes so I got Suzuki 500, after marriage and following grad school there was a 5 year or so bike hiatus, and then a Kawasaki 400 was purchased . A baby came and the bike went away. After 20 years of bike abstinence a Yamaha Star 600 came along and finally a Harley Softail Heritage. Now under Doctor’s orders to shed two wheels I can safely say without the marvelous and reliable Japanese bikes a great amount of enjoyment in my life would have been missed.

  • @dustymclelland9335
    @dustymclelland9335 Год назад +7

    Always a good day when a new video drops

  • @littleshopofelectrons4014
    @littleshopofelectrons4014 Год назад +10

    I grew up with Japanese motorcycles and have owned all of the big 4. In high school we had nicknames for each brand. Yamaha was Yamerhammer. Suzuki was Suzy. Honda was Hondog. Kawasaki was Kamikaze.

  • @johnwood4448
    @johnwood4448 Год назад +18

    Thanks once again Bart for a very informative,interesting and professionally presented video.

  • @mattleide6696
    @mattleide6696 Год назад +7

    I jumped on Amazon while I watched this video and bought the book. I'm really look forward to a deeper dive into this topic. Great video!!!

  • @erickriebel4366
    @erickriebel4366 Год назад +11

    My first set of wheels was a 1967 Honda Super 90 it was wings for me. I was a kid I worked on that bike myself I kept it spotless I must have washed it a million times and I would take care of it like it was a fine gold watch. I drove it for 2 years and I put many many thousands of miles on it and it never broke down once. Anyone that remembers those days had a motorcycle like that one or maybe a little bigger mine was pretty small being a 90cc but that was my first of many many more I love those old bikes and I still do❤

    • @johnnyhawk329
      @johnnyhawk329 Год назад

      My first bike was a 1966 Honda Super 90. I was 14 when I got it and like you I loved that bike more than anything at the time. I remember I worked all summer on a farm and saved up 250 dollars, bought the bike for 225. Hauled it home in the back of a 1959 chevy station wagon. Big snow on the ground but I couldn't wait. I rode it around the yard anyway. Deep snow and a motorcycle don't work to good together. Spokes became a big snowball. Good memories.

    • @erickriebel4366
      @erickriebel4366 Год назад

      @@johnnyhawk329 I lived in Florida and I got it for my birthday in August and I drove that motorcycle I got a job as The early-morning Paperboy delivering newspapers and now was the first motorcycle I had with many more to follow I rode motorcycles for over 40 years I've had about 30 of them maybe a few more to me it was like having a set of wings thanks for sharing your story

    • @johnnyhawk329
      @johnnyhawk329 Год назад

      @@erickriebel4366 Those super 90s were tough old bikes. Sold mine to my nephew after I rode it 6 years. I think he rode it several years more. I had a 1974 Honda CB 360 after that. Sweet bike. 6 speed trans,crash bars,back rest luggage rack. Loved that bike too.

  • @leviminton3320
    @leviminton3320 Год назад +17

    I really appreciate the history videos. I’ve always liked history to begin with and I love motorcycles so it’s very cool to see where they came from and how they started etc.

  • @jamesslick4790
    @jamesslick4790 Год назад +4

    Awesome video! This is the most concise look at how the "Big Four" got to where they are. Must See for any interested in motorcycles!

  • @G58
    @G58 Год назад +9

    Very well put together as always. Great research. Thank you for sharing.

  • @IggyWildcat
    @IggyWildcat Год назад +5

    Excellent production! This is what’s great about RUclips. A niche subject like this can be discussed thoroughly. Great job. 👍

  • @williamwintemberg
    @williamwintemberg Год назад +9

    Wow! I was alive through most of what is covered in this video. I became a fan of motorcycling from my early teens. That said, this video filled in so many blanks. Thanks so much for this video! I really appreciate it!

  • @TheBandit7613
    @TheBandit7613 Год назад +8

    They got us USA kids hooked. Making the Trail 50 or 70.
    We started out on a Honda (or Yamaha) and that's where our loyalty stayed.
    They made different sizes for us as we moved up to bigger bikes.
    Eventually we had a CB 750

  • @richardwarsinske7064
    @richardwarsinske7064 Год назад +21

    Great video! I'm old enough to remember some of the companies like Bridgestone and Hodaka that sold bikes that were competitive with similar big 4 models here in the US. I started on a Honda mini-trail.

    • @gasdive
      @gasdive Год назад +4

      I was surprised that they didn't get a mention.

    • @foxy126pl6
      @foxy126pl6 Год назад +2

      Is it the same bridgestone that makes tires now?

    • @richardwarsinske7064
      @richardwarsinske7064 Год назад +6

      @@foxy126pl6Different division of the same company. They also made highly regarded bicycles and in the late 60's competitively raced their 350cc two-stroke twins (along with Yamaha) against the larger Suzuki and Kawasaki two-strokes and 750 four-strokes from Honda/Triumph/BSA/Norton/HD in the AMA races at Datona.

    • @gabagool2064
      @gabagool2064 Год назад +6

      I bought a Hodaka Ace 90 3 years ago. My first bike ever and it sent me down a rabbit hole of Japanese 2 stroke bikes. It sat for about 15 years, but a little tune up, carb clean and fresh premix and that sucker was annoying neighbors again! Still ride it and my 15 year old is learning how to ride on it.

  • @martinsaunders7925
    @martinsaunders7925 Год назад +3

    As a teenager I owned a few motorcycles. 1935 Norton 500cc flathead.Ajs 350cc grasstrack.200 cc Vellocette horizontal water cooled police trainer. Several BSA bantam. When old enough I bought a Yamaha 80 cc to go to college,with 200 miles on it. Almost identical to the thumbnail mine had a dual seat and a fairing. I sold it with 22k miles on it.

  • @54macdog
    @54macdog Год назад +15

    Brilliant! Any more on the earlier Japanese history would be most welcome. The story of
    Meguro, for instance.

    • @philmoore9829
      @philmoore9829 Год назад +2

      Tohatsu motorcycles always intrigued me. Also Lilac and Bridgestone.

  • @bikeshack8225
    @bikeshack8225 Год назад +6

    Your level of knowledge and research is really impressive. I will definitely get a copy of that book too. I have worked with Japanese automakers for a lot of my career and a lot of those same things like "gentlemen's agreements" and each company having a hierarchical supplier network are the same.

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад +5

    In the sixties a special bike arrived in England, with no oil spill, self starting and running like a turbine! Who would imagine that people didn't like badly produced bikes, oil spots on the floor (Proving it had oil inside) and having to change both brakes and the chain wheel, when they or one had been worn down?

  • @alexmassy
    @alexmassy Год назад +6

    Excellent video ! very intersting history and thank you for mentioning your reference books !

  • @PurpleWhirple
    @PurpleWhirple Год назад +7

    Very interesting video, thanks. I remember seeing Japanese bikes gradually taking over in the 60's/70's. There was a lot of scepticism and some snobbery from UK bikers but gradually, the thrill of having a bike that started up every time (with an electric starter!), was reliable and didn't leak gallons of oil, won people over. Crap tyres though!

  • @chrisbaker2903
    @chrisbaker2903 Год назад +5

    I watched this all happen. I still remember riding on the fuel tank of my dad's Allstate 250 (made by Puch, I think) then riding on the back of his 1959 BSA 650. Single carb and ran great but then he upgraded (maybe an upgrade, maybe not. Better to have waited for a 1966 or 67.) to a 1965 Lightning. Bad points bounce problem caused a needed rebuild at 10,000 miles. Then upgraded the points cam and fixed that problem but then a couple of years and he bought a Honda 750 and that was it till some old man in a Cadillac turned left in front of him. He survived but never rode again to my knowledge. But the bug had me by the throat. 3 months I rode a Kawasaki 90cc "enduro" and I bought a brand new Honda 350 XL, the one without the electric starter and supposed to be more of a dual purpose bike than the up piped SL. Marginally lighter for which I was glad a couple of times. I should have stuck with it but no. I had to have my own 750 which I bought about 6 months before my dad's accident. Just in time to ship it back to the port in Long Beach when I was shipped stateside. It arrived in Long Beach and I headed over to my parents home near Ventura, CA just in time to go to the hospital to visit my dad who had a broken pelvis, thumb and left the imprint of his jeans in the paint of the tank where he'd squeezed the sides hard enough to do that and also left an inch deep dent in the tank which I believe is what broke his pelvis. Yep, squashed his nuts pretty bad. But I got my brother to take me down and retrieve my Honda and I rode it to my parents home, and when my leave was up I road it the 600 miles back to Davis Monthan AFB near Tucson in one day. Since then I've owned lots of Hondas a few Kawasakis, some Suzukis and a couple of BMWs but never a British bike. I missed that chance by a few years. My best bike would be a toss up between my 1983 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk which was a great bike, and my Suzuki 650 VSTROM, which I lowered an inch front and rear added a Givi trunk on the back and road tires and proceeded to put 87,000 miles on it in less than 5 years. I bought it originally rather than a Kawasaki 1000 Concours because it had a larger fuel tank. I was commuting 93 miles each way, 5 days a week into LAX, down the 405. I'd like to have either one back in good condition even now. In my opinion both are better than any other bikes sold these days. The Honda was almost completely maintenance free, shaft drive, automatic valve adjusters, electronic ignition and the carbs never apparently needed anything done. Change the oil and other fluids regularly and get a new air cleaner every so often and you're good. The Suzuki had to have the valves check and several always needed adjusting. I had to have a shop do that as it requires the valve clearances to be measured then the cam removed and the cap and valve shim replaced and the cap re-installed and then cam re-installed and the clearance checked again. A good tech could do several at the same time as they were expected to do being shop mechanics. And I had to carry a can of chain lube with me to work where I put the bike up on the center stand and sprayed chain lube on the chain while gently rotating the rear wheel, till the lube dripped off the chain. Chains lasted me about 36,000 miles that way.
    Yeah, I'd rather have the Nighthawk.

    • @IggyWildcat
      @IggyWildcat Год назад +1

      With the current trend in retro bikes, the early ‘80s Nighthawk would be a good bet for Honda. 👍

  • @solsol1624
    @solsol1624 Год назад +4

    Interesting topic, especially the last bit about how the big 4 was so successful in foreign markets since they had already seem off huge competition at home.

  • @DeaconDillon
    @DeaconDillon Год назад +5

    Very well put together as always. Great research. Thank you for sharing.. Thanks once again Bart for a very informative,interesting and professionally presented video..

  • @kybourbonboy
    @kybourbonboy Год назад +7

    Interesting and informative. Also, *thanks* for ditching the background music! Your narrations are good, and more enjoyable this way.

  • @KO-pk7df
    @KO-pk7df Год назад +5

    So interesting and I often learn so much from these videos even though I have been into MCs since 1963 at 7yo when my babysitter (a Fonzi like character) taught me to drive his candy apple red 250 Ducati motorcycle. I really enjoy bart videos and can't wait for more.

  • @johnalden6584
    @johnalden6584 Год назад +1

    The Beach Boys song “Honda “ was a big hit. I learned how to ride a motorcycle on a Honda 50 cub in 1960 . Thanks for sharing this great video ! Greetings from the Philippines !

  • @bruceramseyramsey2605
    @bruceramseyramsey2605 Год назад +7

    You do a great job based on mucho research. Thanks!

  • @benswanepoel
    @benswanepoel Год назад +4

    That was so interesting! Thanks so much for your efforts to put this important history togerther! When I moved to work in SE Asia around 2010, I realised for the first time, the scale of motorcycle sales in the world. ....And I always though it was in the west :)

  • @davericketts9101
    @davericketts9101 Год назад +2

    Excellent, well thought-out and presented, video. Thanks.

  • @thenexthobby
    @thenexthobby Год назад +4

    Read "Honda: An American Success Story" by Robert Shook. It's a management book from the 1980s, when everyone was trying to figure out why Civics and Accords were so great. It touches on pieces of the motorcycle past that brought them to the dance.

  • @LegendaryInfortainment
    @LegendaryInfortainment Год назад +1

    Great video! I totally loved it. I bought my first motorcycle at 14-1/2 years old, for fifteen dollars. It was THAT good! Once I remade the mono-wire (all shorted to ground, from melting together) wiring harness and a few more things were patched... it ran! Maybe I had the only electric start '67 Yamaha YL1 in California too, because I didn't get a horn until much later and I had a horn button available. The infinite wisdom of Yamaha management excluded adding one wire and one more button for the DC generator to momentarily be an electric starter. I somehow managed to miss that mistake, already having a spare button. All of the Japanese manufacturers made suck-ass frames that were bent from the factory "back in the day," but "blueprinting" them made good money. I recall Suzuki as having the best frames typically [ LOVED the GS-750E of '82 ]. Thanks for bringing back the memories!

  • @steveDC51
    @steveDC51 Год назад +1

    Brought back memories. I had a Suzuki B120P in 1967.

  • @geralderdek282
    @geralderdek282 Год назад +3

    A similar situation occured with transistor radios. They began in the united states in 1954,and by the early 60s the japanease
    had taken over the market for them.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq Год назад

      In 1968 I got a 6 transistor hand-sized Panasonic radio....
      and listened to the 1969 Moon landing on it....
      we had to take the radios we had smuggled into school out of our desks and turn up the volume so the whole class could listen.

  • @zoltankaparthy9095
    @zoltankaparthy9095 Год назад +8

    The Japanese motorcycle industry triumphed because the built better motorcycles. The Motorcyclist, the British magazine, tested one of the first Japanese motorcycles to reach Japan, a Honda IIRC. When they opened it up and saw the precision and quality they realized instantly that the British motorcycle business was dead. And they were right. Marusho, I haven't heard that name in a long while. Or Ossa or Bultaco and so many others.

    • @cedriclynch
      @cedriclynch Год назад +1

      Ossa and Bultaco were Spanish, another interesting story. They were most famous abroad in trials and motocross but also made many road bikes. They thrived under the nationalist Franco government but did not long outlast Franco.

    • @zoltankaparthy9095
      @zoltankaparthy9095 Год назад +1

      @@cedriclynch I remember them well and that they were Spanish, "Ossa, she's a bear" and Bultaco, built to go. The Metralla was gorgeous.

    • @dennishough3709
      @dennishough3709 Год назад

      Montessa was also a Spanish bike I believe.

    • @zoltankaparthy9095
      @zoltankaparthy9095 Год назад +1

      @@dennishough3709 Yes, indeed.

  • @Ian-xt1mb
    @Ian-xt1mb Год назад +5

    I bought my first Japanese bike in 1969. It was the Honda 1965 160 and I paid 5 pounds for it!

  • @zionisimkills1098
    @zionisimkills1098 Год назад +1

    As an old man, I fondly remember from the 1960's when Honda , built 305 Scrambler. as the saying goes, it was a game changer.

  • @braised44
    @braised44 Год назад +1

    The Super Hawk was one of the most beautiful motorcycle designs ever!

  • @ryanwoods5836
    @ryanwoods5836 Год назад +5

    Always a good day when bart uploads!

  • @Cheekymonkeytoday
    @Cheekymonkeytoday Год назад +1

    Hello from Sydney Austrailia, They say to like subscribe comment, well I've done the first two over a year ago, and hers's my comment bart, well done! love the interesting stories on motorcycles you produce, I've just hit the little bell icon, however, no need as soon I I see a new one I'm onto it, great work once again.

  • @cyde01
    @cyde01 Год назад +3

    Thanks for this video. It’s awesome to see this part of motorcycle history that’s seldom talked about even in Japan. It reminds me of an earlier video about the failure of Japanese cruisers, I thought it would be a great idea if Japanese makers imitated historical prewar and post war bikes from their own past than making Harley copies. Like Kawasaki remaking the Meguro S3 instead of the Eliminator or the Vulcan S, or Yamaha remaking the Kitagawa Liner instead of the V-Star or the Bolt. Those would be cruisers with more genuine and authentic heritage and I would think would sell better even though there’s currently no brand recognition for those names. They could give Royal Enfield a serious run for their money.

    • @SuperTrumpMAGA
      @SuperTrumpMAGA Год назад +1

      Yahhh !! absolutely Chevy, Ford & bunch of the other makers COPIES TOYOTAs exactly .....What copies saying the big Euro - Teutonic Pride !!

  • @alexjones-qe5gc
    @alexjones-qe5gc Год назад

    The quality of your videos is astounding

  • @radhakrishnansivaramakrish9902
    @radhakrishnansivaramakrish9902 Год назад +1

    In depth analysis just enjoyed

  • @Seeker887
    @Seeker887 Год назад +1

    Very enjoyable and enlightening, thank you 👍

  • @trainliker100
    @trainliker100 Год назад +1

    In the mid 60's Suzuki's ad campaign involved a lot of very obvious references to how having a Suzuki would get you women. The most brazen poster had TWO women with a motorcycle and the words, "You get more nookie on a Suzuki." That's pretty direct. I know. Hard to believe. If you search a bit, you can find an example of that poster.

  • @nullifye7816
    @nullifye7816 Год назад +1

    You speak about them disparagingly but the "little bicycle with a motor strapped to it" at 16:02 is a really beautiful machine. I'd love something like that today, no alterations. But in general motorcycles from that era are very beautiful compared to today's, with some exceptions.

  • @stevenwilliams1805
    @stevenwilliams1805 Год назад +1

    My first bike is a 2013 Shadow Phantom that I got last year. I suspect I will be riding it for a long time. Especially because it has apparently remained unchanged for a long time.

  • @johnowen9299
    @johnowen9299 Год назад +4

    Japanese Motorcycles are and always have been fantastic. Power and style within the range of the working mans pocket. In the 70s everybody put their predijices to one side and bought one because they were exciting, and fast x

  • @IMIAsteve
    @IMIAsteve Год назад +1

    I had a Honda 90 Scrambler. Loved it. I was 15.

  • @tvdinner325
    @tvdinner325 Год назад +2

    I thoroughly enjoyed that.
    Possibly an in depth video on each Japanese manufacturer?

  • @OllieAlston
    @OllieAlston Год назад +2

    Great video you put together Bart, it must have taken you many many hours of research. My first bike in England at 12 was an old well used and abused Honda s90 that I taught myself to ride on my uncle's farm and then taught my 2 cousins. I should have bought Nobby tyres but instead just slid off so many times, and looking back it probably gave me better balance trying to stay on the muddy slopes of the farm fields with old, almost bald. street tyres. When I was old enough to ride on the streets legally I always bought Japanese in the mid-late 70s and onwards. Never a British bike. Also, myself and all my biker buddies always bought nippy Japanese bikes. Now living in the states and in my 60s I thought it was about time i bought me a Harley........well why not, never thought I would but I'm not looking for a wheelie machine no more or a speed ticket collector.

  • @cruelty6368
    @cruelty6368 Год назад

    Outstanding video. Thanks for making it.

  • @jeffsaxton716
    @jeffsaxton716 Год назад +1

    I remember my little 2-stroke Yamaha which had a separate oil tank so you didn't have to mix. I used it to drive 5 miles to my girlfriend's place so we could snog.

    • @pietrowislon7300
      @pietrowislon7300 Год назад

      I bought a Yamaha Twin Jet 100 in 1967 in Hinton Alberta, Canada.....drove it to Jasper, down the Parkway to Banff, then to Cochrane, up the Forestry Trunk Road to Nordegg and back to Hinton.
      Even today that would be considered a wonderful ride. Twin Jet 100 with Autolube 2 stroke oil injection. Built like a fine watch!

  • @jonathanj.7344
    @jonathanj.7344 Год назад

    Very interesting documentary, Thanks. I live in the UK. My first interest in motorcycles began when I was 16 in 1975, and a schoolmate gave me a go on his Honda PC50 moped.
    By that time the British motorcycle industry was all but finished. Motorcycles were all about those beautiful, colourful Japanese machines, and the odd German and Italian ones. Working in a petrol filling station, I'd watch them all fuel up and go.
    It was great for a young person, as the Japanese Big Four produced a huge variety of small capacity motorcycles. We were spoilt for choice. The next year I saved up and bought a Suzuki TS100 cash. It gave me fantastic independence and was alot of fun on and off road. It used to get admirers too at times.
    So thanks again for the video, for giving the history behind that vibrant 1970s motorcycle scene. It's good also, that 50 years later, while the Big Four is still there of course ,they no longer have complete domination, with the comeback of legendary brands like Royal Enfield, Harley Davidson and Triumph.

  • @lanesaarloos281
    @lanesaarloos281 Год назад +2

    The 305 Superhawk could flat out run most other bikes of the day. If not it could stay close and just wait for the Harley or Brit bike to break down.

  • @barryphillips7327
    @barryphillips7327 Год назад +2

    Excellent video bart, more like this please!! The presence of the Honda Cub can not be denied it has sold More than ANY other motorbike!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @andrewslagle1974
      @andrewslagle1974 Год назад

      And it aint worth what any year harley rim is worth or triumph norton BSA for that matter! Throw away junk just like there cars are!

    • @gomezgomezian3236
      @gomezgomezian3236 Год назад +1

      @@andrewslagle1974 Yeah, but if you bought a decent bike in the first place, you wouldn't need to be replacing wheels.

    • @G58
      @G58 Год назад

      More than any other motor vehicle.

    • @G58
      @G58 Год назад

      Honda’s Cub sold more than any other motor vehicle.

    • @G58
      @G58 Год назад +1

      @@andrewslagle1974 That’s the most ill informed comment on motorcycles I’ve ever seen.
      The quality of manufacture is far beyond anything Britain produced, and still far beyond anything the USA produces today. Just look at the accepted runout on Harley cranks!! They are low quality, outdated, primitive, agricultural geriatric vibrators.

  • @Errr717
    @Errr717 Год назад +1

    This was an interesting video. My father bought me a Yamaha 80 when I started college in 1964. It allowed me to explore Oahu, HI along with some of my dorm mates. There were six of us who had motorcycles ... Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and of course Yamaha. Honda was the most popular. I think there were only two of us who had Yamahas and that was my roommate and me. I learned to ride on one of the guys who had a Kawasaki.

  • @MrPotatochips4
    @MrPotatochips4 Год назад +3

    One difference between their culture and ours is the respect for tradition and artisans they maintain even as teck social impacts. I saw it in woodworking tools, my interest from 1980 to 2010. Another difference is, they fit everyone in where they can make some contribution. Also the last I looked the income differential from highest to lowest is 11 to one. Very low crime rate, groups of kids out evenings on the trollies. I'll bet all the people who failed at making motorcycles ended up with successful lives of value, in solid families. Good people aren't losers in Japan, and they don't look up to cutthroats. Very different planet from USA. Personally I prefer Vermont, the Bill of Rights, and ahhh, Freedom. Thanks for the book clue and the great vids !!

    • @atmtm8431
      @atmtm8431 Год назад

      i should to say thank you for you know well and understanding deeply about our culture.

  • @nerfytheclown
    @nerfytheclown Год назад +1

    Great one, Bart. Cheers man.

  • @guylr7390
    @guylr7390 Год назад +2

    That was a good look at the pre- history of the Japanese motorcycle industry before their spread worldwide. There was one comment though that I would like to disabuse you from. That was that Yamaha’s first model was little more than a bicycle with a motor. Not so. The YA-1 125 Dragonfly was an improved copy of the famously successful DKW RT125 a pre-war model that was copied by many manufacturers after the war including BSA, Harley Davidson and Suzuki among others. The Yamaha however received improvements that included a 4th gear instead of just three and primary kick starting which allowed the rider to start the bike in any gear by pulling in the clutch lever. The bike was also finely detailed with a deep red paint and a beautiful fender ornament. The extras that Yamaha put into its first model unfortunately made the bike around 20% more expensive than others in the 125 class and sales at first were not goods. However when Yamaha entered the the bikes in the Asama Highlands race the first time they astounded the spectators and humiliated their competitors. Sales took off and racing became imbedded in Yamaha’s strategy for selling and improving their machines. The preparation for the Asama races is a fascinating story that can be found on Yamaha’s world website in the racing section.

  • @Angryeddie14
    @Angryeddie14 Год назад +1

    Let’s gooo new Bart vid😎

  • @paulbratty2214
    @paulbratty2214 Год назад

    Love you’ve got clips from the IOM TT

  • @foneco
    @foneco Год назад +1

    another great episode

  • @jasonlemuel5078
    @jasonlemuel5078 Год назад +2

    Sad many of the pre big 4 machine didn't survive

  • @breathestrongcycling3672
    @breathestrongcycling3672 Год назад +3

    I heard of a "gentlemans agreement" that the big four in the late 60's approached Bridgestone and said they would us Bridgestone tires as anOEM supplier exclusively as long as Bridgestone stopped making motorcycles, and the rest is history...not sure if that's true tho

    • @davidaston1644
      @davidaston1644 Год назад +1

      Bridgestone motorcycle where always Japanese.

    • @markjohnson8260
      @markjohnson8260 Год назад +1

      Yes I heard much the same story... a version has top Honda guy asking top Bridgestone guy how much money was made from bikes vs. how much from Honda buying Bridgestone tires. Apparently the bikes were not so very profitable.

  • @spaceflight1019
    @spaceflight1019 Год назад +1

    Somewhere in my parts box is a CB radio coax connector with a Honda logo on it. Apparently they were into electrical components in the 1960s too.

  • @gill-b2v
    @gill-b2v Год назад

    Thanks for the great narrative, obviously based on solid research!

  • @collenfisher3635
    @collenfisher3635 Год назад +1

    The bike I learned to ride in 1977 was a Suzuki AC 50.

  • @jillfriendship1054
    @jillfriendship1054 Год назад

    Excellent video, many thanks Bart.

  • @ramishrambarran3998
    @ramishrambarran3998 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the doc Bart !
    My favourite Japanese bike Yamaha. Both of us were born in 1955 !
    I ride an Indian made/market FZ250.
    Trinidad & Tobago.
    West Indies.

  • @colorpillar9868
    @colorpillar9868 Год назад

    Thank you for this video, it's a nice summary of the die hard competition that was going on. Also nice footage! Maybe would have been nice to add a little more info on the 'company espionage' aspect. As well as the crazy story about how east-german (!) two-stroke engineering catapulted japanese two-strokes to domination

  • @paulblouin6955
    @paulblouin6955 Год назад +3

    I was expecting to see more about Harley agreed that Harleys could be built in Japan under a different name, and Harley helping to build the factory. That is one of the places where Japan learned interchangeable parts and mass production. Also, after WW2 during occupation, Dr. Demming helped the Japanese develop a philosophy of continuous improvement in manufacturing. Copying the DKW was a giant leap for Yamaha.

  • @mysse67
    @mysse67 Год назад +1

    I had a Yamaha moped, I took it everywhere, no literarily I had to push it everywhere because it never wanted to start 😂

  • @dufus7396
    @dufus7396 Год назад

    The Kawa rotary disc twins were the game changers

  • @UOO303T
    @UOO303T Год назад +1

    Hey just subscribed to yr channel very interesting

  • @Iskalawagz24
    @Iskalawagz24 Год назад +1

    Please make some videos about each defunct Japanese motorcycle manufacturers.

  • @kenhall514
    @kenhall514 Год назад +2

    Great mew video! Have you considered doing one on the CB900c. I'd be interested to hear your take on that bike

  • @jonsoons
    @jonsoons Год назад +1

    Hodaka and Bridgestone were big throughout the 60s.

  • @fearsomename4517
    @fearsomename4517 Год назад +2

    I found this to be very informative and very well done. Stay in the wind!

  • @bobhamilton298
    @bobhamilton298 Год назад +2

    No mention of Japanese number 5 of the 60's Bridgestone. Rotary valve engines designed by Tohatsu engineers produced bikes that were fast for their size. I got 70 MPH out of my 90 cc Sport downhill. Of course uphill was another story. Decent handling as well.

    • @gazza8234
      @gazza8234 Год назад +1

      Wish I still owned my old Bridgestone. I'm still kicking myself for selling it back in the 70's.

  • @AleksiJoensuu
    @AleksiJoensuu Год назад

    Awesome video essay and a super channel bart!
    I started wondering: Have you ever considered a similar historique over motorcycle helmet manufacturing? I would be really interested in that, having spent several years selling them in retail and developing a deep personal interest. ❤

  • @hank1556
    @hank1556 Год назад +1

    Babe wake up Bart released another video

  • @ELCEV
    @ELCEV Год назад

    Very good video, well researched.

  • @lornespry
    @lornespry Год назад

    I enjoy these motorcycle documentaries very much. They are well-researched with very good narration. One thing that may not have been stressed enough is the condition of Japan in the years succeeding WWII. There wasn't any money around in a country that had been devastated by the American B-29 incendiary bombing campaign that burned down entire cities. Transportation was primarily by the remaining surface rail stock. Vast numbers of people got to the rail head by walking or cycling. Even today, Japan remains a nation of cyclists and scooter riders. The primary mission of many Japanese companies was to provide an inexpensive tool to get workers to work. Hence the bicycle with a tiny motor. There was a great deal of engineering prowess in Japan at the time. But there was a shortage of machine tools and facilities. The obvious solution to a transportation problem was the manufacture of very small, affordable machines. This solution survives to this day in Japan, and indeed in much of Asia. Still in modern Japan, all, sorts of things from the mail to ramen are delivered to one's door by a tiny two or three wheeled vehicle. Decades ago, a country of 100 million people were struggling to find decent food, working hard to rebuild, and retaining something of a Japanese way of life. This was assisted by all sorts of little machines out of necessity. Still today many people think my 32 year old 400 cc Yamaha SRX is a large motorcycle. Still today, Grandmother is probably out and about shopping for vegetables on her Honda scooter. And it all started in a nation that refused desperation, and just got moving on tiny machines.

  • @woodsmn8047
    @woodsmn8047 Год назад

    my first was a Cushman scooter salvaged from the neighbor's junk pile and I managed to get it to run then in high school I got a new 50 cc Tohatsu followed by a Triumph 650 speed twin .. I have allways loved a fast motorcycle ..!

  • @funhog24
    @funhog24 Год назад

    Really well done! You did some research.....Bravo.

  • @anthonygonzalez7488
    @anthonygonzalez7488 6 месяцев назад

    While in high school, I worked part time and saved enough money to buy a new 1977 honda ct 70 for the low price of $ 453.00. I put 36,000 .miles on it and rode from los Angeles to San Francisco and back twice and from Los Angeles to lake Tahoe once and back including city and dirt riding in between, great fun and lots of memories.