idk what's more depressing, the fact that every unit I pulled back then is now useless or the fact that the new units i might pull will also be useless in a few months
If you like the character, you can drag them forward to some extent with eidolons for them and their bis supports. But it is really just slowing down their viability death. I don't think even at e6 a dps makes it past the next 2 versions after release. Maybe e6 supports can slow that down, though.
Bro I play gacha games for the characters. Having to pull 'smartly' instead of pulling who I like completely defeats my purpose of playing the game in the first place, unless the meta characters happens to be someone I like too. That doesn't mean I don't want to full clear MoC tho, as I obviously want the jades to pull the characters I DO like.
i get the "honkai support rail" argument but it kinda falls apart when finding out to make a 1.0 character clear moc you need like an e2s1 sparkle. brother i barely roll for an e0s0 support character as a mostly f2p (bought monthly sub once in jingliu first banner) now you're telling me i need to e2 and s1 character to stay competitive?
Well you see, if you pull for a meta character you dont like you are investing 80 or 160 pulls, for like 60 MoC jade. This is a very valid point Pokke made. If you pull only for characters you like and expect to clear MoC, then you are in the greedy or stupid camp. Btw its totally fine to only pull for characters you like I do that too tho i also pull the characters needed for the characters i like to work. E.g. not the biggest fan of ruan mei but shes a big boon to my favourite unit so i got her
If they're using "you should have planned your pulls" as their argument, then make them announce 5 patches worth of upcoming characters (with their abilities) and events in one go so players can plan their pulls in advance.
its funny cuz u can save for a e6 character and give it a few months and e2-e0 will be doing more or the same and supports also get powercreep so u aint safe with em either and we all know why they giving robin a rlly early banner rn, cuz shes defo getting power creeped soon so they wanna try push for the last sales
The fact that Mr.Pokke himself is hesitant to do the latest MOC with 1.X characters with no 2.X broken supports shows you all you need to know how real the powercreep is.
Yeah I dont get why the argument is "f2p can pull the newest characters too". What if I want to only use my favorite older characters? That's the issue with powercreep... putting a time limit on the characters we pull.
but its unrealistic approach no? i doubt that anyone would use only 1.x characters to clear any endgame content. u can use dps for sure like Jingliyu or Jing Yuan but ofc they need Sunday and Robin respectfully. Pokke was not arguing about powercreep not existing, he was saying that its make no sense to do that. ofc 1,0 teams on both sides cant clear to 3 stars. for me his video about powercreep got me intel what i should do with my acc cuz if was exactly that person who chased newer dps forgotting about supports. I didnt have Robin, Lingsha, Jaoque, HuoHuo and was having hard times clearing all endgame content clearing for 3 stars. (achieved that but due a lot of tries) with Sunday and Fugue im feeling a lot better, and now im skipping bot Herta and Aglaea for Robin E1 hopfelly. i light spender mainly buy only subsription.
@@dev1lykt14 What do you think the point is? Do you think it's the reality that people spent their hard earned money or used all their freemium Astrite to pull Jingliu, Yuan only to be powercrept to the point that it is literally impossible to use 1.x characters in MOC right now. Pokke refuses to even make the 1.x team that Saint wanted him to, because he knows it is SO POWERCREPT that there is no point and it's flat out a waste of time, resources and likely not even possible. People spent their resources, time, free Astrite that will NEVER COME BACK and potentially even spent money on those characters. Now they are useless.
i think all of you and them say are true powercreep exist-yes is tha because hoyo greed- people who not greed is just stupid af cant monetize anything, but just a half, 50% because 1.x character is platform to design better, they have problem from the start, even 2x some time still bruh like jade, she never be a meta, argenti same never be meta. 50% fault is bad design and slow update character suit for them that made you cant clear engame content-moc? ok 11/12 lost you 80 jade~1/2 roll. other end game mode? sure no that game fault? yes but 50% people talk it not know any f thing about cv and speed tunning. hoyo increse 20% hp but they event cant clear 50% so who fault? is player greed? sure. did you know when they update 2 new end game mode they give you how mant jade and even that still easier than moc? is that not enough. OK AS hard even for meta character ok
Mauika needs citlali and xilonen to function" "They're running 2 limited characters side by side and I need both" Well that's your fault for being "stupid" and "greedy" you should have just pulled better and saved your primos for this patch -mr pokke
As much as i hate Genshin, and as scummy as it is to run 2 limited characters together and push freebies to AFTER they're gone, Mavuika only really needs one of them to function. Yea Citlali/Xilonen IS her strongest team by a wild margin, BUT literally every other 5* character's BEST TEAM has 2 (sometimes even 3) 5* supports; Mavuika is nothing new in that regard its just that her damage ceiling is absurdly broken for C0 standards, she just wipes everything.
@@Gojiradogzillagodzillait’s not the same as other characters let’s not try to justify her kit by comparing her to others. It’s not the same. The other characters have replacements for their best in slot supports because they don’t rely on them to actually be able to be used. You can replace Yelan by xingqiu . You cannot replace Xilonen or Citlali by other units with same elemental application or even kit because Mavuika needs their nightsoul points. And no you cannot say having 100 points is good enough. No it’s not , she cannot even give her full 40% dmg buff without being at 200 night soul points let alone do the same amount of damage. And yes you can say she can still clear without them. Yes she can but you’re not getting anything from her kit without Xilonen and Citlali . Other characters in the game do not rely on other characters to make their kit work. It’s not the same
@@Gojiradogzillagodzilla Yup, my Xilonen is enough to keep the ult active constantly, and like you said, her damage is absolutely cracked holy. Easy to build too, just give her atk and she'll cook anything
@@manas4288 just get c1. So yeah even if citlali ran on a different banner, people would just go for c1. Also people would prob still complain because they don't get 20 free wishes for new archon.
Imagine having to pull for a character you don't like because they are 'smart investment'. I play the game for fun and I am not gonna have fun playing the character I don't like.
if you pull character you not need to team comp then dont cry because you weak. Build fua team and refuse robi then cry why i so weak:)))) fua is high cost team for who dont know(o fck i forgot new math7 and moze not need numby any more)
@@DartNguyen “play fua team but didnt get robin” u do realise robin has been rerunning with said fua teams right? a player can only guarantee one or none and u just proved their point further. “but u have moze” u need e6 , u also need aventurine/lingsha since guess what? 1. the enemies in end game are always rising in dmg to the point they can two shot u and have 6 continuous turns, u could use e2 Gallagher ig but u need two teams and he cant be in both and in fua teams hes better off not in it. “but u can just save” how can one save when power creeping is that insane and even supports get power creeped, “but robin so op she will last” u need two teams.
11:26 Man, that debate with you vs MrPokke and Tectone in the background was painful. Every single time you question MrPokee he wouldn't answer the question. He was dodging the entire time...
Powercreep is dangerous because older units get useless and new units will get useless with newer units, it's common sense. 1.0 characters are useless. 2.0 are about to be powercrept as we shift the meta to summons/remembrance. 3.0 will get powercrept by the next new thing hoyo makes. When not just your DPS characters, but also your supports (Silver Wolf, Sparkle, Robin, Sunday) and sustains (Luocha, Huo Huo, Lingsha, Gepard, Fu Xuan, Aventurine) get powercrept, then your game has no hope nor your characters have any meaningful longevity.
powercreep can be managed by balancing or buff old unit with something like second awakening like other game, if hp bloating keep happening and old unit not getting buff is not ok. but u know what? just pull and plan better :D , some people even ok old unit become obsolete because they "OLD" or not meta anymore
That would be true for any other game, but Mihoyo game are built different. No amount of shenanigans will kill the game because Mihoyo has a cult like following of player who will keep playing no matter what, and they know it.
I lost 9/12 50/50 in 2.x and it ate all the pull adventage I had from getting welkins since release and emptying out the double top up bonus. If you are f2p and you lose 50/50 on harmony characters thats a MASSIVE quit moment.
Snowbreak has 100% banners, and not lying, that is a blessing and it's easy to see that the model work even with it.. 50/50 makes me quit games, especially tower of fantasy. A waifu shooter may not be your thing though ofc, but 100% banners are the best!
Well... If you play actively, you can get roughly 1 5* character per month, I think. (As f2p) This means that, if you lose half your 50/50s, you should getting around 8 limited 5*s per year. Assuming you somehow manage to lose EVERY SINGLE 50/50, that's 6 5*s. Of course, this assumes you don't pull of dupes or LCs, and that you don't take a long break. Anyway. If your main criteria for "keeping up" is being able to clear the endgame, I don't think you really need to rely on the luck of the draw. 6 or 7 picks should be enough to carry you through a year even if you make a "bad call" or two, as long as you follow leaks, plan ahead, and made some decent choices during the previous version. But it takes a lot of work and self control, as well as prioritizing "meta over waifu" picks... Which, of course, absolutely can make the game a lot less fun depending on the type of player you are. In other words, the problem is less that "you need to be lucky", and more that it's really restrictive and leaves relatively little room for "error" / non-meta picks. That said, if "keeping up" means getting every character you want... Than, well, them you might not be able to get them all even if you win every 50/50, depending on how many characters you want. ^^;
I definitely feel like tecky and smack definitely deserved some of the fire for it. Not all, but I can understand why people were angry with it completely, and its fair to think that with how misleading they felt.
ohhh noooo whooo could have possibly predicted the cheapest most predictably cartoonishly greedy/lazy slop production company that milks the sheep wallets with their kid-friendly gambling boxes would possibly do something like power creep for profit dang that's a SHOCKER (if you keep playing hoyoslop that is entirely your fault)
Thats literally every gacha company and probably every free game with micro transactions involved description so far if you think its only hoyoverse - you are delusional but you might say but kurogames Wuwa ? Well yes I don’t feel any powercreep there except like chongli being trash to play but the rest of gachas features to milk players are still there - the whole powercreep is over exaggerated due to fact that gachas don’t have any pvp system in which powercreep shines the most not in the end game content which is there for sweats and try hards not casuals who are playing game for fun and not sitting there trying to 0 cycle shit in towers and frame perfecting their rotations
Its the Hoyo special. Powercreep has always been a massive issue in their games specially Honkai Impact 3rd, and dont listen to those who huff tons of copium saying its not because IT IS. They wont ever change because CN keeps handing them loads of money either way cause they cant live without their waifus. Its about time someone dethroned Hoyo cause i REALLY hope their practices dont become the standard for other gacha games, we dont need more of their scummy behavior. Yea they write good stories, but so does FGO and we all know FGO might as well be the scummiest gacha in existence (been playing for years btw)
FGO may be scummy with their gacha system but at least it’s not afflicted with powercreep like HSR. Not to mention, past characters also get strengthening quests (buffing), giving them some upgrades to make them more competitive or give more room to work with the current content.
@meteuteu even robin couldn't save the feixiao banner compared to acheron and firefly. I think people just don't want to spend if your money is worthless 3 months later.
Pokke thinks he made a very big brain point and had "got" other CCs, since no one held him responsible for his logic and wording. Hence he was confident to think he could out debate everyone. And then started giggling like a little girl when that happened in Saintontas call. Also I disagree with Gsmacks interlude, yes they are all friends and he maybe wanted the storyline to end, but to tell either side is unwilling to get off their points, when one side was not ready to give any reasoning or answer the questions and just giggled and side stepped the question is not the right approach. Not saying bring the pitch fork down, but you need to hold Mr. Pokke accountable to his words, moreso because he is your friend.
It's all just manufactured drama created so Pokke and his business associates can farm a bag off the community. No one really cared to challenge him because they just have to make him seem intelligent so they can all profit and hold good standing for future business ventures. Of course, this all comes with damage to one's reputation. Not holding Mihoyo or their apologists responsible will just ensure the game continues down a bad direction, ultimately benefitting no one but those wondering if they should drop the game or not.
@@sussybaka7150 Ya, now he has more support from the apologists, as they finally found someone to latch on. And he presumably is going to prove everyone wrong with his new "F2P" account. How is a F2P account started today going to prove anything regarding powercreep when it would take another 5-6 months for the new characters to be power crept? Also most of his arguments in the discussions were, pull Robin and there is no powercreep, and now the guy is saying he wont pull for Robin in his F2P account, cause he know the almighty Robin is now going to become subpar. Which is the perfect example of power creep. But ya, at this point, its beneficial for my brain cells to distance myself away from his content.
@@quickslver As you should. This space just seems to be full of disingenuous CC's looking to farm off of naïve players. While it can be understandably difficult to have worthwhile discussions on good game design practices in the gacha space due to the business practice influencing the final design, I still think the genre could heavily benefit from critical discussions like that. Lazy arguments of "Blame the player, not the game" are almost always wrong as an excuse for poor design. Saying recent limited 5-star supports are required to clear endgame content is not indicative of good design, but a gross imbalance on what's required to make legacy characters function leading to heavy restrictions on how people are allowed to play when approaching the challenging content. God forbid players want to actually play the game how they want and to be rewarded for dedication and creative planning with teams/characters they enjoy.
this is why there is people hate drama cc especially Tectone circle, they like to making drama out of nothing burger and then farm it till dry. Their viewer will love it because most of them are drama enjoyer and some not even play the game. i hate it but i prefer asmongold than them, but yeah they learn to farm drama from asmongold. just not recommend their channel and move on because they wont go anywhere soon. just follow true guide CC because they actually talking about the game than this people
Smacks entire interjection was bull and clearly trying to protect the fact Pokke got absolutely demolished Debates are for the audience not the two people with differing beliefs, the winner is who is able to convince more of the audience Then he attempts to compare HSR to Wuwa and gets refuted in a second
HSR's over creativity killed it for me. Too much diversity in mechanics which means every damn patch you HAVE to pull to suit the "preferred" units cuz of specific mechanics. I logged in after a while just to C6 my Acheron on her rerun. Guess where she sits rn. Right down the middle cuz you can't take her everywhere. Imagine getting punished for having a favorite character cuz ur forced to "diversify". Sure.. Keep your precious machanics with you while people are soft quitting your game. Great idea Hoyo.. Oh yeah I forgot it's a Hoyo game so it WILL have the same problem as their others ones.
I'm so glad I never played or stopped playing Hoyo games after genshin, I knew this was coming specially with how simple their games are so the only difficulty or buff hoyogames ever do was powercreeping characters and making enemies broken enough that you need those powercreep characters. This is gonna happen in ZZZ down the line too whether you lie to yourself or not, never gonna support a Hoyogame ever again.
As a ZZZ player, I'll keep your post in mind for 2025. There isn't much pointing at a 'powercreep' meta at this point in time--because the roster is still limited at the moment to tell--and Miyabi, the current strongest in the meta, is the equivalent of an Archon in Genshin terms, so she's likely the exception and not the rule. I'm more concerned about how little A-Ranks (4-stars) are released since launch; only one was added in the 5 months since ZZZ began, and if that's not an indication of prioritizing selling limited agents than keeping a healthy roster balance (especially for new or low-rarity players) then I don't know what is. If there is a trend for powercreep in ZZZ, I will be the first to return to your post and say "You were right." and then delete the game from my devices forever. I definitely love Hoyoverse's ability to write compelling stories and worlds, but if they're three-for-three in monetizing their biggest titles at all costs then I definitely cannot support them anymore.
@ I really hope its not going to be the case though cuz I did enjoy my first outing in ZZZ even during the TV heavy days or during launch, I just can’t bring myself to trust hoyogames anymore, its like a “fool me once” kind of thing. I have a few friends that really enjoys the game and I hope the game never reaches that point cuz that would suck. As for me I’m good already with the two gacha games I play currently and not looking to add more to that as the devs on the ones I’m playing seem to atleast for now, genuinely care for their playerbase.
i was just waiting for a game to make me stop giving even the little money i was giving to Genshin.. wuwa came out, now my lunite sub and battle pass go to wuwa. I felt so bad about how hoyo was treating Genshin. that i already decided to NEVER play another hoyo game again before wuwa came out.. wuwa just helped me being even more sure about my choice. Genshin IS an amazing game.. hoyo is a shitty company that destroyed a magical game with greed and shitty decisions..
@@DartNguyen you knw the worst thing about this? i still totally love Genshin (natlan aside) and i wish hoyo just bankrupt so another company can buy the game at 10 euro and make it shine as it deserve.
First, Pokke makes a few videos calling out HP inflation and then in the talks with other CCs does agree that powercreep exists...and then proceeds to make videos attempting to prove that it doesn't. Whatever, it is just farm content and further fostering a bad echo chamber of a community within his followers personally. That, or he truly believes that gacha games don't have powercreep.
A bit of power creep is a necessity because the developer can be only so creative and make so many sidegrades. However too much powercreep is just greedy from the developer and a lack of imagination.
Can't wrong them when you got a Turn-based games and release bajilion character on update patch. Powercreep doomed to happen. The sad thing is, the devs can't be creative enough to play around the powercreep mechanic, either buff the older unit or make new mechanic for the new character. Just buffed the enemy to the end of time for broken new character. Well is classic hoyo practice no doubt.
i legit struggling on main quest when i tried to comeback playing , pretty much an end game player when i stopped playing with full artifact meta back then .... , last time i played was when silver wolf released . cant even complete main quest in the dream land thingy without struggling and replaying battle . shameless
Same here. Day 1 player played till firefly banner. Can do Moc 12. Left for 2 months(mostly because i lost 50 50 4 or 5 times in a row). Came back just to see the state of game. Couldnt complete moc 11 properly. Left again for good. Once my favorite game but now ill say, Life is good without that game.
Run 2 sustains and if you don't have gepard use March 7th Preservation with Herta's LC. Put March into the slot 3 of the team and a tank ally with the highest DEF in slot 4. Now skill with March on the Ally and you gonna have a decent defense. If you can farm relics then March 7th build is: 134 ~ 160 speed 80% ~ 120% EHR 3k Def Also you can ignore Bosses multiple actions in one turn by freezing them with March 7th in their turn
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 i did that , seele , march 7 , clara , natasha ( FELT GOD AWFUL ) . it does the job but yeah.. super slow and unsatisfying . watching the brand new character compared to those above i mentioned just looks like a cruel joke
Hahahaha "Im still clearing Moc with Bailu Preservation March7 and Sampo" type of kids, like the 4 star clears with perfect gear and S5 5 star LC just to barely hit 9-10 cycles argument 😮
without moving into wuwa but staying in a mhy game: In genshin you can purchase characters like Xingqiu; Bennet and Xiangling from the Paimon's Bargain in the shop so - even if you got unlucky with the pulls - you can still have them and get constellations, takes time yes, but they are there. in HSR the characters in the shop are useless right now.
HSR is on war until now still no skip button. Those retired protecting the game because skip button will ruined the game, daym my reply is... "soon enough you'll burnout and clicking for 6 to 7 hours of story quest you'll realize that I was right all along" Now i planted the seed in their heads lets see next year
having to forced to sit through a story that isn't even interesting with the same animations over and over again with an added png or blackscreen and almost no animated scenes makes it very boring, if they don't want their story to be skipped they should show more, tell less. regardless any other game have a skip button even ZZZ and hi3 has it but not genshin and hsr @@RC-2207
The part that gets me is no one used the wording that would hopefully make him realize how big powercreep is. He says "all dps work if you pull the right supports" and no one just said "supports are also being powercrept" or "so there's powercreep with supports too" I genuinely think he thinks powercreep is a dps term.
if im being honest, non of this felt like a 'conversation' just one guy giggling and a bunch of talking over one another while not actually talking about the topic at hand and instead trying to divert focus on a subject they can defend themselves in, or playing dumb and some how not understanding what the other person is saying
Mr Pokke's original statement can be easily proven wrong. He states "Powercreep is a problem only for greedy and stupid" This is wrong because it became a problem NOT ONLY for greedy and stupid. Even people who "played smart" by his own definition have problems with fullclearing newer content. Example. Content creators that came onto him are neither greedy or stupid. By his own definition of "smart choice" that he gave, they played the game "correctly" choosing a current meta unit and building a team around that unit. And still found that some of their teams are unable to fullclear. According to Pokkie all CCs who believe there is a power creep problem are greedy and stupid. That is a direct insult to all of us basically. Just ask him to his face "Do you think all of us are stupid and greedy?" and watch him not giving a direct yes/no answear.
the one thing that pokke cant get is that, what we meant about power creep is if our heavy invested team can still be comfortably used 1-2 years from now. not just for couple of months. man, its exhausting playing a game where you need to constantly pull for new team just to get shit result after 6 months.
the fact that his f2p acc bob pulled Therta, then pulling robin is confusing. whats the point of pulling the new shiny dps? he should only be allowed to pull 1.x rerun dps but can pull new supports to prove his point.
I just cleared wuwa 2.0 main quests on my 0 pulls account (only verina from selector) with the new spectro rover. Can i do the same on hsr? Left hsr for about a year, kinda wanna re-run it with like 0 pulls account also.
Yes, you can. Normal content is VERY easy. The endgame is pretty much like WuWa, you can easily clear the lower floors with a sh... account. But trust the ppl, the True Endgame (like, the last floors of the Tower in WuWa) is really "hard". And we are not talking about skill here... you need to PULL.
no you can't, my last boss fight was white hair fox girl oh god, that sh** has so much HP, my best team struggling to finish it when older weekly bosses can finish it with ease
Playing Gacha Game is a char collection simulator and you should play the chars that u like in terms of design and game mechanics and hence getting the char that u know u will enjoy playing. IMAGINE playing a CASUAL game that requires NO SKILL at all and yet u are DICTATED by the end game mode that enables you to get gacha resource as f2p, WHO YOU NEED TO PULL knowing FULL WELL that u are not going to enjoy playing said char. LOL I THOUGHT GAMES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!?
Part of the issue with the game is that let’s say you wanted to pull smartly in 1.x, you would have seen silver wolf, rm, and possibly topaz and gone they all look great. In the 2.x one would have fallen off the planet, one would be great, one would be replaceable but good. Now, we also know that is a characters performance is tied to having all those team then they are very resistant to power creep especially dps. DHIL needs sparkle but she can be used with Acheron, Acheron needs JQ but he can be used with any ult dps, and Feixiao needs robin but she can be used with summons. Basically dps is replaceable, and most supports are required to have a good dps, but when those supports fall out you lose 2 characters worth of pulls, not just those used for the dps.
Quite a crazy saga and I'm glad I'm just DONE with Hoyo games. Meanwhile I'm just gooning in Nikke, getting hit with banger stories and an upcoming banner on 1/16 with a character that is kinda mid at best. At least with Nikke we gotta deal with banners of characters that are just bad or mid along side banners of great and meta defining characters.
Nikke the one of the game of all time, pvp exists and makes the niche SSR to top tier there, you dont even want to be competitive and it just comes to you slowly, anyone is usable just by over leveling(high cp), music never misses, everyone just goons
I would be p***** off if Jiyan (for example) was no longer usable in end game content because he's my favourite character. Obviously there will be some powercreep eventually... but it can't get to the point where chars are useless
I feel like a game such as HSR was doomed from the start A turn based gacha with such character heavy focus as the games hoyoverse makes is a hellish idea, given that: - The fun in turn based rpgs stems mainly from having diverse casts to experiment with, create new teams and try out a lot of different combinations/strategies to see what works best - Hoyoverse games put a heavy focus on the characters and the audience is used to bonding to them on a long term basis With that said, given how limited the moveset of each character is (basically a couple of abilities with not much more in the way of thinking than "when do I ult" and "do i use skill or basic attack") characters tend to go stale fast and promote the fast pumping out of new characters, and since you can't really '"''play""" your characters how you would in, lets say, genshin, there are very few ways of making them stand out beyond making each stronger than the last. In the end, all you want in the game is damage to kill the enemies as fast as possible, and that metric is easily comparable between characters. You can't preffer a character due to how they control, because there is not that much to control. Maybe I'm just digging deeper than what it actually is and I'm sure there's a way to make a game like this that works in the long run while retaining its fanbase goodwill. But if there is, hoyo isnt doing a good job at it.
cant wait to see what happens after they gacha the new fairy creatures because why would they add a new system that could break the meta and not monotize it? cant wait to see mr pokke defend that when it happens.
Did someone just realize that everyone is talking about Wuwa's 2.0, but barely hearing anything about how excited people are for HSR 3.0? Maybe people aren't that excited for Honkai anymore
The issue with Pokke's own statements is that he himself is only carried by his credit card when it comes to "fixing" his decisions. This is the same guy who tried to argue that Bronya > RM back then. Enough said.
the worst part of hsr powercreep is that it isn't just the endgame that's unclearable with 1.0 characters, it's the story as well. i had a (meta at the time) clara fua team when i stopped playing in 1.4, and when i came back in 2.5, i couldn't clear the last two boss fights in the penacony story(even on casual mode). 2.6 dropped and i couldn't clear the first fight in the continuance until i waited for the second half and pulled aventurine. it's insane how bad it is
I think the argument just doesn't take into consideration regular people. Like ik Ruan Mei is good. I never pulled her. I don't like her character. I attempt end game content whenever I can but I can never get far or fully clear. Take this example and push it to multiple people. It doesn't feel nice to have to use jades on characters you don't like because the characters you do like are old and ineffective. And when you do invest in new characters you might not be a fan of they just eventually get power crept anyways.
why silver wolf? this is like the 3rd comment here mentioning sw cant clear end game. guys sw is not a dps shes a debuffer just debuff the strongest target then kill it with a dps lol. otherwise yeah jingliu and others are being powercrept nothing else to say there
I did, jingliu E0S1 3 cycle second half, huohuo E0S0, sunday E0S0, ruan mei E0S1. Btw, jingliu statistically have pretty much the same avg cycles as feixiao on this MOC.
I have a problem with the argument of "spend more wisely or with more responsibility". While it's true that you should learn how to save and properly manage your resources in a gacha game and could help avoiding some powercreep sometimes you must choose between pulling a character you like or pulling a character you don't like but it will be important for the next characters. For example, I don't like Sunday, I really don't, I don't like his personality, nor his design, nor his personal story. And the same goes to Robin. BUT I had to pull for him because he would become the next meta and probably my next favourite character would be totally useless without him. So the question many times is "Waifu/Husbando over meta or meta over Waifu/Husbando" I think neither choices are good or bad.
What always pisses me off about these power creep videos is him saying people already got xy units. I lost my 50/50 trying to get a good support for my dots team I only have bronya ruan Mei and robin. I used robin on my dots team because I have no fua team build (all I have is moze herta and aventurine) and the other half needed a wind unit… all I got is blade and black swan so I built my bronya up, I can’t use aventurine with him my next healer is lynx or Bailu… even giving him ruan Mei AND bronya I couldn’t clear it… and my blade was built built but I don’t have any 5* lc on them im using the f2p lc cause that’s all I got :/ I don’t want mr pokke to use the 1.x units I want him to use them with an MOC that doesn’t work with the characters he have and he tries to figure out what can he do because that’s the problem. We can’t do shit if the MOC don’t benefit us when it comes to older units and most the time it never does. I tried using welt for the rappa MOC I couldn’t do shit but when I brought in my level 70 rappa with a barely built trailblazer and Gallagher suddenly I could clear everything
Quite frankly. I think Im disappointed with the content being put out nowadays from you. It feels like just trying to get something over on someone, and that's not what Im here for. Good luck, Mr Saint.
Truly the Robin's best team question was it. That proved Pokke just has no idea what a basic concept is or refuses to give any ground whatsoever (not even sure what ground would be given saying Robin's best team is FUA in the first place...). All while having that arrogant smirk. I like Pokke but my lord this powercreep arc of his is horrid.
Argument to pull for characters responsibly essentially means you need to pull not for characters *you like* but for characters *you need* to clear the content, which essentially ruins all the fun.
I actually liked wuwa more than hyoverse games, but due to the lack of optimization playing it in 2.0 is a nightmare. I literally had to wait 5 mins for the game to load so atleast if they optimize it a little more than i would be more than happy to return to wuwa to play with me fancy Carlotta.
i dont mean to be rude to how tectone handled himself during his debate with mr pokke, but in the "I'm Dissapointed" vid by tectone, around the 1:21:42 - 1:22:00 i just couldnt help but wonder why tectone didnt went a bit harder on mr pokke regarding the side quests that popped up during that debate like you mentioned.
I played HI3, Genshin til 2.0 and a few time later, HSR since launch > Jing Yuan and Peracony til feixiao, ZZZ since launch. imo every games before ZZZ are really painful to play for many reason: - Gatekeeping end game content with powerful characters, you cant 100% consistently clear every patch unless you pull the meta chars. - Holding back on giving players freebies - Lacking alot of QoL (skip button, exploration, farming, etc) - Inconsisten Story quality, lazy story telling (boring ass talking scene where characters do the same pose), forget about old characters, etc - Time consuming contents like boring side quest or that fking boring long ass rougelike mode in HSR. All above are mean to make players willing to invest money and time to the games which is not wrong, they fking good at doing it to the point i got sick of it. Its just too much for me. Its just my guess but im sure Wuwa and all the new upcoming games putting alot of pressure on hoyo, we have more freebies and get those QoL I thought never come to all games before ZZZ. But its still not change the core problem of those games. Sometimes I just wish they made those games a singleplayer experience since it have so much potential but i guess money are always the priority for them. Edit: I love Wuwa and ZZZ and I hope they wont make ZZZ became shitty game.
Sometimes, I love to suffer for no reason but proving powercreep in HSR is a real problem... I'm a full F2P player and I have 2 accounts. Not even speaking of MoC, I decided to try something that should be a pretty simple challenge : Echo of War: Inner Beast's Battlefield since I have too muc of the older EoW rewards... And boy, did I see the difference between 1.x and 2.x dps... For reference, the runs were made in full auto mode (and don't come and tell me that I should have done it on manual, the point will be the same) My first account revolves around 2 main carries, Seele (E1S1) and Jingliu (E0S1). I tried Seele/SW/Sparkle/FX and got wiped. The only team with Seele as a carry that cleared ONCE was Seele/Jade/Sunday/HuoHuo, not really a 1.x team, especially when they all have their LC. Jingliu never passed the 3rd stage of the fight, be it a dual dps with Blade, full recharge team with HuHuo, Sunday and Tingyun or a more classic hypercarry Jingliu team. The only team that I can mention that had a pretty good clear of this EoW is a Clara(E3S2)/Blade (E0S1)/Huohuo/Sunday team. The only other main dps I have on this account is Kafka, and we all know DoT teams are dead, even Kafka/BS ones. My alt account has both Acheron and Firefly. Superbreak team cleared like a breeze (both Fugue and HMC variant) and Acheron team, even the Welt-sustain version (to add RM) cleared with zero problems...
let me give an illustration on what happens. living cost getting high due to inflation that one can hardly afford it with the current job. then someone said, just get a better job man. without understanding that the main issue of one need better job is because of uncontrolled inflation.
Honkai Star Rail has to have the fastest powercreep I’ve ever seen in gacha, and the game isn’t even two years old. At least Genshin Impact is five years old so you can kinda expect that there is a good chunk of it just cause it’s been out for that long, but in Star Rail characters can get powercrept in back to back patches. I have a decent amount of limited five stars, and it is so frustrating they are basically unable to get all the rewards from endgame content, turn based is supposed to have a lot of strategy but Star Rail spits in the face of that idea.
I don't think the V3 unit are gonna be future more power creep that much. The major problem of power creep is advance turn mechanic gave too much buff and damage around them and Robin just make it twice more of it with Aventurine for advance turn sustain. Only thing in V3 that would gave power creep again is summon advance turn , but I doubt they going to gave enough summon unit to build a op team , maybe V4.2 could have all summon power creep at that point.
I still main Jing Yuan and he's my most invested character since I basically started the game for him, obviously I can not even survive moc 12 at the moment without healer and shielder in same team which messes my supports 😂 But I refuse pulling units I dislike playing, my characters carry me good and I just pretend moc12 does not exist 😅 I want to have FUN not plan meta!
for me the main problem is not the powercreep .. is how many character they give and how many pull we get OMG it's sooo hard to get character and build his team with the pull they give
I like Mr.pokke my problem was with tectone he said he held him accountable but right after pokke doubles down saying "you don't understand what I said" or "I miss spoke" and tecone didn't say a thing there's a difference between holding someone accountable and having them acknowledge an oppie. Then tecone throw everyone who disagreed under the same umbral calling them toxic retards but he preaches about making the gacha space more positive. 🙂
Have you played 3.0 HSR? Basic enemies almost 2 shot any team that doesn't have a good shielder like Aventurine. Even with his bug fixed, sometimes my shield got nuked because new enemies attack multiple times (Arrowhead does 7 hits for example). The story keeps putting them in your path, if you don't have Acheron or FF to instanuke em, you're constantly fighting tanky enemies (forgot to mention they have a mechanic to mitigate dmg, heavily favors AoE characters to get rid of their stacks)
There's 2 types of gacha games - high powercreep and low powercreep. High powercreep games pretty much dominated the market until Genshin came onto the scene as far as I know. In these games, don't expect your characters to last more than a year. It was when Genshin came around that you started to see more and more of what were effectively just actual games with a gacha system on the sideline, that didn't suffer from powercreep as much. Now that Hoyo has made a game in the still very much alive high-powercreep genre (mostly populated by turn based games), their community that has gotten used to low powercreep games is going to complain, of course.
You can safely add "Saint mentioning B-rolls" in any bingo based on Saint. It'll hit. Honestly tho, I'm glad Connor didn't include any examples, for the most part of people summary is more than enough, these who actually wanna dig into it most probably already saw the original discussion and (like me) don't want to see giggling Mr.Jokky again anytime soon, imo. P.S.: Personally, I understood where my expectations should be for GS and Tectone calls with him. I really did. I heard them. But when the supposedly "serious" tone turns into something like balls licking contest between two friendly dogs on a walk, at least make the titles that doesn't give expectations you don't want people to have. Like "Tea party with giggles with Pokke Bro about Powercreep and content farming" maybe? Nobody cares what nobodies like me think ofc.
It lowkey upsets me that my E1 Jingyuan with his signature LC + fully levelled talents does worse than my E0 The Herta with mismatch relics + random LC, talent lvl 2. Both at lvl 80.
I just pull for who I like, decent supports and build my characters till they clear endgame, my seele still powering through, still need her lightcone tho
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idk what's more depressing, the fact that every unit I pulled back then is now useless or the fact that the new units i might pull will also be useless in a few months
The game is what it is. I came to realization that the game is not for me. It make for people like Mr pokke.
If you like the character, you can drag them forward to some extent with eidolons for them and their bis supports. But it is really just slowing down their viability death. I don't think even at e6 a dps makes it past the next 2 versions after release. Maybe e6 supports can slow that down, though.
Looking at The Herta with lightcone, just for her to be powercrept by a better Erudition/Remembrance character in 1-2 patches.
I built Bronya/Luocha and can't clear anything now :p.. because that's all i have, sadge
All of the above lol
Bro I play gacha games for the characters. Having to pull 'smartly' instead of pulling who I like completely defeats my purpose of playing the game in the first place, unless the meta characters happens to be someone I like too. That doesn't mean I don't want to full clear MoC tho, as I obviously want the jades to pull the characters I DO like.
That’s exactly my take
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ask da wei to give you more pulls because those two cannot exist together unless you get a dev account and get 10 castroices in a ten pull
i get the "honkai support rail" argument but it kinda falls apart when finding out to make a 1.0 character clear moc you need like an e2s1 sparkle. brother i barely roll for an e0s0 support character as a mostly f2p (bought monthly sub once in jingliu first banner) now you're telling me i need to e2 and s1 character to stay competitive?
Well you see, if you pull for a meta character you dont like you are investing 80 or 160 pulls, for like 60 MoC jade. This is a very valid point Pokke made. If you pull only for characters you like and expect to clear MoC, then you are in the greedy or stupid camp. Btw its totally fine to only pull for characters you like I do that too tho i also pull the characters needed for the characters i like to work. E.g. not the biggest fan of ruan mei but shes a big boon to my favourite unit so i got her
The real powercreep in HSR is the amount of word count in each story quest.
If they're using "you should have planned your pulls" as their argument, then make them announce 5 patches worth of upcoming characters (with their abilities) and events in one go so players can plan their pulls in advance.
its funny cuz u can save for a e6 character and give it a few months and e2-e0 will be doing more or the same and supports also get powercreep so u aint safe with em either and we all know why they giving robin a rlly early banner rn, cuz shes defo getting power creeped soon so they wanna try push for the last sales
Pokke should really main Chixia or Dajin because he's really good at dodging
Meanwhile Jianxi + Chixia
He'd have to be smart enough to manage danjin's hp drain though
Nah bro u giving him too much credit, WuWa to difficult for him 😂😂😂😂
well pokke has the classic mentality of a meta slave whale. How else could he defend power creep when its that bad?
Jokke*
"There's no powercreep issue in Star Rail Sing Se." - Mr. Jokke
Mr giggles 😂 that's all his doing when he can't answer
Powercreep is like inflation, a bit(2%) of it is good for the economy too much kills the economy..
It is clear he was just “farming content”, the mr. Jokke
The fact that Mr.Pokke himself is hesitant to do the latest MOC with 1.X characters with no 2.X broken supports shows you all you need to know how real the powercreep is.
Yeah I dont get why the argument is "f2p can pull the newest characters too". What if I want to only use my favorite older characters? That's the issue with powercreep... putting a time limit on the characters we pull.
but its unrealistic approach no? i doubt that anyone would use only 1.x characters to clear any endgame content. u can use dps for sure like Jingliyu or Jing Yuan but ofc they need Sunday and Robin respectfully. Pokke was not arguing about powercreep not existing, he was saying that its make no sense to do that. ofc 1,0 teams on both sides cant clear to 3 stars. for me his video about powercreep got me intel what i should do with my acc cuz if was exactly that person who chased newer dps forgotting about supports. I didnt have Robin, Lingsha, Jaoque, HuoHuo and was having hard times clearing all endgame content clearing for 3 stars. (achieved that but due a lot of tries) with Sunday and Fugue im feeling a lot better, and now im skipping bot Herta and Aglaea for Robin E1 hopfelly. i light spender mainly buy only subsription.
@@arondyte318 I had a Ruan Mei c6 and good build which clears past events with ease... now she can't even 3 cycle moc 🤣
@@dev1lykt14 What do you think the point is? Do you think it's the reality that people spent their hard earned money or used all their freemium Astrite to pull Jingliu, Yuan only to be powercrept to the point that it is literally impossible to use 1.x characters in MOC right now. Pokke refuses to even make the 1.x team that Saint wanted him to, because he knows it is SO POWERCREPT that there is no point and it's flat out a waste of time, resources and likely not even possible.
People spent their resources, time, free Astrite that will NEVER COME BACK and potentially even spent money on those characters. Now they are useless.
Well he 0 cycled with Seele.
my favorite hoyoshill is excuse is "nope the game is perfect, its just trendy to hate on hoyogames now"
It isn't perfect and it is trendy to hate hoyo.
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002While trendy, you think it's baseless?
there are reasons genshin is public enemy with literally every single gacha games for years
i think all of you and them say are true
powercreep exist-yes
is tha because hoyo greed- people who not greed is just stupid af cant monetize anything, but just a half, 50% because 1.x character is platform to design better, they have problem from the start, even 2x some time still bruh like jade, she never be a meta, argenti same never be meta. 50% fault is bad design and slow update character suit for them
that made you cant clear engame content-moc? ok 11/12 lost you 80 jade~1/2 roll. other end game mode? sure no
that game fault? yes but 50% people talk it not know any f thing about cv and speed tunning. hoyo increse 20% hp but they event cant clear 50% so who fault?
is player greed? sure. did you know when they update 2 new end game mode they give you how mant jade and even that still easier than moc? is that not enough. OK AS hard even for meta character ok
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 People are disliking the game for all the right reasons, so It is *trendy* to dislike being screwed over by a company.
Mauika needs citlali and xilonen to function"
"They're running 2 limited characters side by side and I need both"
Well that's your fault for being "stupid" and "greedy" you should have just pulled better and saved your primos for this patch -mr pokke
As much as i hate Genshin, and as scummy as it is to run 2 limited characters together and push freebies to AFTER they're gone, Mavuika only really needs one of them to function.
Yea Citlali/Xilonen IS her strongest team by a wild margin, BUT literally every other 5* character's BEST TEAM has 2 (sometimes even 3) 5* supports; Mavuika is nothing new in that regard its just that her damage ceiling is absurdly broken for C0 standards, she just wipes everything.
@@Gojiradogzillagodzillait’s not the same as other characters let’s not try to justify her kit by comparing her to others. It’s not the same. The other characters have replacements for their best in slot supports because they don’t rely on them to actually be able to be used. You can replace Yelan by xingqiu . You cannot replace Xilonen or Citlali by other units with same elemental application or even kit because Mavuika needs their nightsoul points. And no you cannot say having 100 points is good enough. No it’s not , she cannot even give her full 40% dmg buff without being at 200 night soul points let alone do the same amount of damage. And yes you can say she can still clear without them. Yes she can but you’re not getting anything from her kit without Xilonen and Citlali . Other characters in the game do not rely on other characters to make their kit work. It’s not the same
@@Gojiradogzillagodzilla Yup, my Xilonen is enough to keep the ult active constantly, and like you said, her damage is absolutely cracked holy. Easy to build too, just give her atk and she'll cook anything
Meanwhile Carlotta being paired with her best support...
@@manas4288 just get c1. So yeah even if citlali ran on a different banner, people would just go for c1. Also people would prob still complain because they don't get 20 free wishes for new archon.
Imagine having to pull for a character you don't like because they are 'smart investment'. I play the game for fun and I am not gonna have fun playing the character I don't like.
Me who is forced to pull fckng Sunday,
“FCKNG SUNDAY” a freakin male Character 😭 (my fave is seele she misses crits a lot 😭)
if you pull character you not need to team comp then dont cry because you weak. Build fua team and refuse robi then cry why i so weak:)))) fua is high cost team for who dont know(o fck i forgot new math7 and moze not need numby any more)
Are you a try hard ? And want to clear everything with your waifus&husbandos?
@@DartNguyen “play fua team but didnt get robin” u do realise robin has been rerunning with said fua teams right? a player can only guarantee one or none and u just proved their point further. “but u have moze” u need e6 , u also need aventurine/lingsha since guess what? 1. the enemies in end game are always rising in dmg to the point they can two shot u and have 6 continuous turns, u could use e2 Gallagher ig but u need two teams and he cant be in both and in fua teams hes better off not in it. “but u can just save” how can one save when power creeping is that insane and even supports get power creeped, “but robin so op she will last” u need two teams.
11:26 Man, that debate with you vs MrPokke and Tectone in the background was painful. Every single time you question MrPokee he wouldn't answer the question. He was dodging the entire time...
Dude he was trying to distract him from the main topic because he how dogshit his take was
Mr. Jokke, aka Mr. Omnipotent, aka Mr. Chokke, aka Mr. Riddler, aka Mr. Dookie, aka Mr. Pokkyo, aka Mr. Pukke, aka Mr. Smokke, aka Mr Phakkyu
Mr Dookie is my favourite one
@@Axel_Kei Let me add that as well. I want to include every one of his aliases.
mr.chokke is the best because it sounds like he always got hoyoballs down his throat
Mr.pokkyo
Mr pukke
Powercreep is dangerous because older units get useless and new units will get useless with newer units, it's common sense.
1.0 characters are useless.
2.0 are about to be powercrept as we shift the meta to summons/remembrance.
3.0 will get powercrept by the next new thing hoyo makes.
When not just your DPS characters, but also your supports (Silver Wolf, Sparkle, Robin, Sunday) and sustains (Luocha, Huo Huo, Lingsha, Gepard, Fu Xuan, Aventurine) get powercrept, then your game has no hope nor your characters have any meaningful longevity.
powercreep can be managed by balancing or buff old unit with something like second awakening like other game,
if hp bloating keep happening and old unit not getting buff is not ok. but u know what? just pull and plan better :D , some people even ok old unit become obsolete because they "OLD" or not meta anymore
That would be true for any other game, but Mihoyo game are built different. No amount of shenanigans will kill the game because Mihoyo has a cult like following of player who will keep playing no matter what, and they know it.
Powercreep has not made any character incapable of clearing MOC in 10 cycles for max reward. Wtf r u saying
reminds me that honkai impact 3 slaps you with divine key equipment to revive older characters
the problem is how fast not exist or non exist stupid. If no powercreep or too slow game boring af you just put auto and sleep
But lose too many 50/50's and you will no longer be able to keep up no matter how hard you try, as Bronya is no longer good enough to lose 50/50 to.
I lost 9/12 50/50 in 2.x and it ate all the pull adventage I had from getting welkins since release and emptying out the double top up bonus. If you are f2p and you lose 50/50 on harmony characters thats a MASSIVE quit moment.
Got e4 Bronya, she's worse than both e0 sparkle or sunday
Snowbreak has 100% banners, and not lying, that is a blessing and it's easy to see that the model work even with it.. 50/50 makes me quit games, especially tower of fantasy.
A waifu shooter may not be your thing though ofc, but 100% banners are the best!
Well... If you play actively, you can get roughly 1 5* character per month, I think. (As f2p)
This means that, if you lose half your 50/50s, you should getting around 8 limited 5*s per year.
Assuming you somehow manage to lose EVERY SINGLE 50/50, that's 6 5*s.
Of course, this assumes you don't pull of dupes or LCs, and that you don't take a long break.
Anyway.
If your main criteria for "keeping up" is being able to clear the endgame, I don't think you really need to rely on the luck of the draw. 6 or 7 picks should be enough to carry you through a year even if you make a "bad call" or two, as long as you follow leaks, plan ahead, and made some decent choices during the previous version. But it takes a lot of work and self control, as well as prioritizing "meta over waifu" picks... Which, of course, absolutely can make the game a lot less fun depending on the type of player you are.
In other words, the problem is less that "you need to be lucky", and more that it's really restrictive and leaves relatively little room for "error" / non-meta picks.
That said, if "keeping up" means getting every character you want... Than, well, them you might not be able to get them all even if you win every 50/50, depending on how many characters you want. ^^;
Powercreep is like inflation, a bit(2%) of it is good for the economy too much kills the economy..
I definitely feel like tecky and smack definitely deserved some of the fire for it. Not all, but I can understand why people were angry with it completely, and its fair to think that with how misleading they felt.
Calling your customers greedy and stupid.
That will only go well if your got the stupid part correct...
"It's the player's fault", says Mr pokke to leave my multi billion dollar corporation alone 😂😂😂.
Truly Mr jokke
Power creep is not existing in HSR. Meanwhile my perfect Seele, Bronya, SW, and Fu Xuan is now useless lol
oh lord, Fu Xuan 😭😭😭- now that's a name I haven't heard in a while
ngl after the recent MoC im not feeling well because the enemy keep getting more tanky and my unit cant keep up at this point
😅 Its just going up and up on the total Hp of the enemies, the herta just power creeped acheron on aoe dps as well
Remember, "7 minutes PNG yap" HSR no improve after 2 years
Definitely Honkai YapRail
@bonkusch2909 lol True
The Hoyoverse special lmfao
3 Years? They had this issues even back in the Yap Impact 3, so its longer than 3 years
i skipped that part and it took like 3 mins of spamming click and space bar
it was painful
ohhh noooo whooo could have possibly predicted the cheapest most predictably cartoonishly greedy/lazy slop production company that milks the sheep wallets with their kid-friendly gambling boxes would possibly do something like power creep for profit dang that's a SHOCKER (if you keep playing hoyoslop that is entirely your fault)
meh I am in HSR for the story and that's it. i don't care about MOC 11 and 12 and I never played Apocalyptic shadow properly.
Thats literally every gacha company and probably every free game with micro transactions involved description so far if you think its only hoyoverse - you are delusional but you might say but kurogames Wuwa ? Well yes I don’t feel any powercreep there except like chongli being trash to play but the rest of gachas features to milk players are still there - the whole powercreep is over exaggerated due to fact that gachas don’t have any pvp system in which powercreep shines the most not in the end game content which is there for sweats and try hards not casuals who are playing game for fun and not sitting there trying to 0 cycle shit in towers and frame perfecting their rotations
Its the Hoyo special. Powercreep has always been a massive issue in their games specially Honkai Impact 3rd, and dont listen to those who huff tons of copium saying its not because IT IS.
They wont ever change because CN keeps handing them loads of money either way cause they cant live without their waifus. Its about time someone dethroned Hoyo cause i REALLY hope their practices dont become the standard for other gacha games, we dont need more of their scummy behavior.
Yea they write good stories, but so does FGO and we all know FGO might as well be the scummiest gacha in existence (been playing for years btw)
FGO may be scummy with their gacha system but at least it’s not afflicted with powercreep like HSR. Not to mention, past characters also get strengthening quests (buffing), giving them some upgrades to make them more competitive or give more room to work with the current content.
Good stories? Inazuna? Natlan? Penacony? Only good story was Fontaine. As HI3rd goes, the story became shit after the sky people.
@@fr3quency_basically Part 1 Finalle onward... Especially Part2, it flop so hard it made me retire entirely
Pulling carlotta and slapping Sanhua or Taoqi on her team felt really good after a full year of HSR brainrot
Ok ok, so the whole powercreep was a thing.. but is there no one going to talk about how 4 banners are running right now at the same time? lol
From GI and now HSR banners
Hoyovrs really takes their sensor tower revenue report seriously 😂
@meteuteu even robin couldn't save the feixiao banner compared to acheron and firefly. I think people just don't want to spend if your money is worthless 3 months later.
What do you mean, everyone already discussed that when it was first announced 😭
@@Wakasoul I don't think it was enough then, it deserves more outrage lol
4 banners is insane
Pokke thinks he made a very big brain point and had "got" other CCs, since no one held him responsible for his logic and wording.
Hence he was confident to think he could out debate everyone.
And then started giggling like a little girl when that happened in Saintontas call.
Also I disagree with Gsmacks interlude, yes they are all friends and he maybe wanted the storyline to end, but to tell either side is unwilling to get off their points, when one side was not ready to give any reasoning or answer the questions and just giggled and side stepped the question is not the right approach.
Not saying bring the pitch fork down, but you need to hold Mr. Pokke accountable to his words, moreso because he is your friend.
It's all just manufactured drama created so Pokke and his business associates can farm a bag off the community. No one really cared to challenge him because they just have to make him seem intelligent so they can all profit and hold good standing for future business ventures.
Of course, this all comes with damage to one's reputation. Not holding Mihoyo or their apologists responsible will just ensure the game continues down a bad direction, ultimately benefitting no one but those wondering if they should drop the game or not.
@@sussybaka7150 Ya, now he has more support from the apologists, as they finally found someone to latch on.
And he presumably is going to prove everyone wrong with his new "F2P" account.
How is a F2P account started today going to prove anything regarding powercreep when it would take another 5-6 months for the new characters to be power crept?
Also most of his arguments in the discussions were, pull Robin and there is no powercreep, and now the guy is saying he wont pull for Robin in his F2P account, cause he know the almighty Robin is now going to become subpar. Which is the perfect example of power creep.
But ya, at this point, its beneficial for my brain cells to distance myself away from his content.
@@quickslver As you should. This space just seems to be full of disingenuous CC's looking to farm off of naïve players. While it can be understandably difficult to have worthwhile discussions on good game design practices in the gacha space due to the business practice influencing the final design, I still think the genre could heavily benefit from critical discussions like that. Lazy arguments of "Blame the player, not the game" are almost always wrong as an excuse for poor design. Saying recent limited 5-star supports are required to clear endgame content is not indicative of good design, but a gross imbalance on what's required to make legacy characters function leading to heavy restrictions on how people are allowed to play when approaching the challenging content. God forbid players want to actually play the game how they want and to be rewarded for dedication and creative planning with teams/characters they enjoy.
this is why there is people hate drama cc especially Tectone circle, they like to making drama out of nothing burger and then farm it till dry. Their viewer will love it because most of them are drama enjoyer and some not even play the game.
i hate it but i prefer asmongold than them, but yeah they learn to farm drama from asmongold.
just not recommend their channel and move on because they wont go anywhere soon. just follow true guide CC because they actually talking about the game than this people
Smacks entire interjection was bull and clearly trying to protect the fact Pokke got absolutely demolished
Debates are for the audience not the two people with differing beliefs, the winner is who is able to convince more of the audience
Then he attempts to compare HSR to Wuwa and gets refuted in a second
HSR's over creativity killed it for me. Too much diversity in mechanics which means every damn patch you HAVE to pull to suit the "preferred" units cuz of specific mechanics.
I logged in after a while just to C6 my Acheron on her rerun. Guess where she sits rn. Right down the middle cuz you can't take her everywhere.
Imagine getting punished for having a favorite character cuz ur forced to "diversify". Sure.. Keep your precious machanics with you while people are soft quitting your game. Great idea Hoyo.. Oh yeah I forgot it's a Hoyo game so it WILL have the same problem as their others ones.
They want you to hop onto their next game after ZZZ 😅
What? How C6 Acheron not clearing content?? My E2 do it just fine?@@Biocdon
I'm so glad I never played or stopped playing Hoyo games after genshin, I knew this was coming specially with how simple their games are so the only difficulty or buff hoyogames ever do was powercreeping characters and making enemies broken enough that you need those powercreep characters.
This is gonna happen in ZZZ down the line too whether you lie to yourself or not, never gonna support a Hoyogame ever again.
As a ZZZ player, I'll keep your post in mind for 2025. There isn't much pointing at a 'powercreep' meta at this point in time--because the roster is still limited at the moment to tell--and Miyabi, the current strongest in the meta, is the equivalent of an Archon in Genshin terms, so she's likely the exception and not the rule. I'm more concerned about how little A-Ranks (4-stars) are released since launch; only one was added in the 5 months since ZZZ began, and if that's not an indication of prioritizing selling limited agents than keeping a healthy roster balance (especially for new or low-rarity players) then I don't know what is.
If there is a trend for powercreep in ZZZ, I will be the first to return to your post and say "You were right." and then delete the game from my devices forever. I definitely love Hoyoverse's ability to write compelling stories and worlds, but if they're three-for-three in monetizing their biggest titles at all costs then I definitely cannot support them anymore.
@ I really hope its not going to be the case though cuz I did enjoy my first outing in ZZZ even during the TV heavy days or during launch, I just can’t bring myself to trust hoyogames anymore, its like a “fool me once” kind of thing.
I have a few friends that really enjoys the game and I hope the game never reaches that point cuz that would suck.
As for me I’m good already with the two gacha games I play currently and not looking to add more to that as the devs on the ones I’m playing seem to atleast for now, genuinely care for their playerbase.
i was just waiting for a game to make me stop giving even the little money i was giving to Genshin.. wuwa came out, now my lunite sub and battle pass go to wuwa.
I felt so bad about how hoyo was treating Genshin. that i already decided to NEVER play another hoyo game again before wuwa came out.. wuwa just helped me being even more sure about my choice. Genshin IS an amazing game.. hoyo is a shitty company that destroyed a magical game with greed and shitty decisions..
@@WastedTalent83 ww just act man that tencent 51% . genshin fall and they will show you true face. Bussiness is business low revenue mean high risk
@@DartNguyen you knw the worst thing about this? i still totally love Genshin (natlan aside) and i wish hoyo just bankrupt so another company can buy the game at 10 euro and make it shine as it deserve.
First, Pokke makes a few videos calling out HP inflation and then in the talks with other CCs does agree that powercreep exists...and then proceeds to make videos attempting to prove that it doesn't. Whatever, it is just farm content and further fostering a bad echo chamber of a community within his followers personally. That, or he truly believes that gacha games don't have powercreep.
Probably he is on a contract q
With hoyo 😂...hence the backtracking
It's the CC debuff, "The Contract That Binds"
Blade be like in 3.0: Why am I still alive? What kind of purpose do I have...
Be compared to Mydei
Blade to Mydei : Savor it in my place 😂
A bit of power creep is a necessity because the developer can be only so creative and make so many sidegrades. However too much powercreep is just greedy from the developer and a lack of imagination.
Can't wrong them when you got a Turn-based games and release bajilion character on update patch.
Powercreep doomed to happen. The sad thing is, the devs can't be creative enough to play around the powercreep mechanic, either buff the older unit or make new mechanic for the new character. Just buffed the enemy to the end of time for broken new character. Well is classic hoyo practice no doubt.
i legit struggling on main quest when i tried to comeback playing , pretty much an end game player when i stopped playing with full artifact meta back then .... , last time i played was when silver wolf released . cant even complete main quest in the dream land thingy without struggling and replaying battle .
shameless
Same here. Day 1 player played till firefly banner. Can do Moc 12. Left for 2 months(mostly because i lost 50 50 4 or 5 times in a row).
Came back just to see the state of game. Couldnt complete moc 11 properly. Left again for good.
Once my favorite game but now ill say, Life is good without that game.
Same here
Run 2 sustains and if you don't have gepard use March 7th Preservation with Herta's LC.
Put March into the slot 3 of the team and a tank ally with the highest DEF in slot 4. Now skill with March on the Ally and you gonna have a decent defense.
If you can farm relics then March 7th build is:
134 ~ 160 speed
80% ~ 120% EHR
3k Def
Also you can ignore Bosses multiple actions in one turn by freezing them with March 7th in their turn
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 i did that , seele , march 7 , clara , natasha ( FELT GOD AWFUL ) . it does the job but yeah.. super slow and unsatisfying . watching the brand new character compared to those above i mentioned just looks like a cruel joke
I appreciate the feedback dude! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Mr.Jokke 😂
Props to the dude for being levelheaded and MrJokke, I want you to stay off my lane.
" there's no powercreep in hsr lmao 😂🤣" it's just skill 🗿🗽, I'm still clearing "the forgotten hall with arlan🗿🗽"😊
Hahahaha "Im still clearing Moc with Bailu Preservation March7 and Sampo" type of kids, like the 4 star clears with perfect gear and S5 5 star LC just to barely hit 9-10 cycles argument 😮
youre such a cool person, i really like watching your videos, esp in this hsr powercreep discussion, keep it up!
without moving into wuwa but staying in a mhy game: In genshin you can purchase characters like Xingqiu; Bennet and Xiangling from the Paimon's Bargain in the shop so - even if you got unlucky with the pulls - you can still have them and get constellations, takes time yes, but they are there.
in HSR the characters in the shop are useless right now.
HSR is on war until now still no skip button. Those retired protecting the game because skip button will ruined the game, daym my reply is...
"soon enough you'll burnout and clicking for 6 to 7 hours of story quest you'll realize that I was right all along"
Now i planted the seed in their heads lets see next year
How is a skip button gonna ruin the game? Its not like it forces everyone to skip it
@@RC-2207skip button would save the game😅
having to forced to sit through a story that isn't even interesting with the same animations over and over again with an added png or blackscreen and almost no animated scenes makes it very boring, if they don't want their story to be skipped they should show more, tell less. regardless any other game have a skip button even ZZZ and hi3 has it but not genshin and hsr
@@RC-2207
The part that gets me is no one used the wording that would hopefully make him realize how big powercreep is. He says "all dps work if you pull the right supports" and no one just said "supports are also being powercrept" or "so there's powercreep with supports too"
I genuinely think he thinks powercreep is a dps term.
if im being honest, non of this felt like a 'conversation' just one guy giggling and a bunch of talking over one another while not actually talking about the topic at hand and instead trying to divert focus on a subject they can defend themselves in, or playing dumb and some how not understanding what the other person is saying
Mr Pokke's original statement can be easily proven wrong.
He states "Powercreep is a problem only for greedy and stupid"
This is wrong because it became a problem NOT ONLY for greedy and stupid. Even people who "played smart" by his own definition have problems with fullclearing newer content.
Example. Content creators that came onto him are neither greedy or stupid. By his own definition of "smart choice" that he gave, they played the game "correctly" choosing a current meta unit and building a team around that unit. And still found that some of their teams are unable to fullclear.
According to Pokkie all CCs who believe there is a power creep problem are greedy and stupid. That is a direct insult to all of us basically. Just ask him to his face "Do you think all of us are stupid and greedy?" and watch him not giving a direct yes/no answear.
I think you need to read the tweet again
@@jdoepamine I think you need to have better arguments
@@jdoepamineMrPokke admitted the tweet was wrong in the first place just made like this to farm hate
@ r u sure he said "Only those who are greedy and stupid get hit by power creep"
@@ordemarebys8050 if you cant comprehend a tweet its worthless arguing with u
the one thing that pokke cant get is that, what we meant about power creep is if our heavy invested team can still be comfortably used 1-2 years from now. not just for couple of months.
man, its exhausting playing a game where you need to constantly pull for new team just to get shit result after 6 months.
the fact that his f2p acc bob pulled Therta, then pulling robin is confusing. whats the point of pulling the new shiny dps? he should only be allowed to pull 1.x rerun dps but can pull new supports to prove his point.
I just cleared wuwa 2.0 main quests on my 0 pulls account (only verina from selector) with the new spectro rover. Can i do the same on hsr? Left hsr for about a year, kinda wanna re-run it with like 0 pulls account also.
Not possible, or rather highly unlikely, u need a good strong dps AND their dedicated support/meta supports
@ducleminh46 sadge
Its impossible without pulling bro 😅
Yes, you can. Normal content is VERY easy.
The endgame is pretty much like WuWa, you can easily clear the lower floors with a sh... account.
But trust the ppl, the True Endgame (like, the last floors of the Tower in WuWa) is really "hard".
And we are not talking about skill here... you need to PULL.
no you can't,
my last boss fight was white hair fox girl
oh god, that sh** has so much HP, my best team struggling to finish it when older weekly bosses can finish it with ease
Playing Gacha Game is a char collection simulator and you should play the chars that u like in terms of design and game mechanics and hence getting the char that u know u will enjoy playing.
IMAGINE playing a CASUAL game that requires NO SKILL at all and yet u are DICTATED by the end game mode that enables you to get gacha resource as f2p, WHO YOU NEED TO PULL knowing FULL WELL that u are not going to enjoy playing said char.
LOL I THOUGHT GAMES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!?
With new characters having less and less mechanics as well, 😞
The only thing we are clear is Genshin >> HSR.
Long live Bennett, Xingqiu, Sucrose and Fischl.
Easy and clean
and this to my surprise that HSR could never lmao
My favourite big 3 + Xiangling until I left GI, truly meta proof right there
No one replace Benny.... Truly Pyro Archon behavior 😅
Tectone went balls deep on Iyo.
Tectone went Uber soft on Mr Poke.
Let that sink in.
Part of the issue with the game is that let’s say you wanted to pull smartly in 1.x, you would have seen silver wolf, rm, and possibly topaz and gone they all look great. In the 2.x one would have fallen off the planet, one would be great, one would be replaceable but good.
Now, we also know that is a characters performance is tied to having all those team then they are very resistant to power creep especially dps. DHIL needs sparkle but she can be used with Acheron, Acheron needs JQ but he can be used with any ult dps, and Feixiao needs robin but she can be used with summons. Basically dps is replaceable, and most supports are required to have a good dps, but when those supports fall out you lose 2 characters worth of pulls, not just those used for the dps.
Quite a crazy saga and I'm glad I'm just DONE with Hoyo games. Meanwhile I'm just gooning in Nikke, getting hit with banger stories and an upcoming banner on 1/16 with a character that is kinda mid at best. At least with Nikke we gotta deal with banners of characters that are just bad or mid along side banners of great and meta defining characters.
Nikke the one of the game of all time, pvp exists and makes the niche SSR to top tier there, you dont even want to be competitive and it just comes to you slowly, anyone is usable just by over leveling(high cp), music never misses, everyone just goons
I would be p***** off if Jiyan (for example) was no longer usable in end game content because he's my favourite character. Obviously there will be some powercreep eventually... but it can't get to the point where chars are useless
The Robin debate is even funnier since the next 2-3 DPS are looking to all be HP scalers and she will not be the best in those teams lmao.
The only way to nerf her.
I feel like a game such as HSR was doomed from the start
A turn based gacha with such character heavy focus as the games hoyoverse makes is a hellish idea, given that:
- The fun in turn based rpgs stems mainly from having diverse casts to experiment with, create new teams and try out a lot of different combinations/strategies to see what works best
- Hoyoverse games put a heavy focus on the characters and the audience is used to bonding to them on a long term basis
With that said, given how limited the moveset of each character is (basically a couple of abilities with not much more in the way of thinking than "when do I ult" and "do i use skill or basic attack") characters tend to go stale fast and promote the fast pumping out of new characters, and since you can't really '"''play""" your characters how you would in, lets say, genshin, there are very few ways of making them stand out beyond making each stronger than the last.
In the end, all you want in the game is damage to kill the enemies as fast as possible, and that metric is easily comparable between characters. You can't preffer a character due to how they control, because there is not that much to control.
Maybe I'm just digging deeper than what it actually is and I'm sure there's a way to make a game like this that works in the long run while retaining its fanbase goodwill. But if there is, hoyo isnt doing a good job at it.
Wsg man love to listen to my fav game getting glazed
cant wait to see what happens after they gacha the new fairy creatures because why would they add a new system that could break the meta and not monotize it? cant wait to see mr pokke defend that when it happens.
well, through leaks we came to know that the remembrance path is going to be pretty powerful
@@adriantepes4355True damage % is broken af so yeh
The robin debate is the funniest i heard so far 😂.
Did someone just realize that everyone is talking about Wuwa's 2.0, but barely hearing anything about how excited people are for HSR 3.0? Maybe people aren't that excited for Honkai anymore
The issue with Pokke's own statements is that he himself is only carried by his credit card when it comes to "fixing" his decisions. This is the same guy who tried to argue that Bronya > RM back then. Enough said.
the worst part of hsr powercreep is that it isn't just the endgame that's unclearable with 1.0 characters, it's the story as well. i had a (meta at the time) clara fua team when i stopped playing in 1.4, and when i came back in 2.5, i couldn't clear the last two boss fights in the penacony story(even on casual mode). 2.6 dropped and i couldn't clear the first fight in the continuance until i waited for the second half and pulled aventurine. it's insane how bad it is
Same thing happened to me 😂
Mr jokes rent must be so high
Saint, drama and reaction content aside, will we ever have more wuwa character guides plssss 😂
When I saw Connor
I freaking thought he just graduated, when you take a look at him a bit far on this vid he looked like he's wearing a graduation cap
lmao I can't unsee it now
The real issue is that hoyo doesnt want to buff older units because people wouldnt pull newer ones if they did
I think the argument just doesn't take into consideration regular people. Like ik Ruan Mei is good. I never pulled her. I don't like her character. I attempt end game content whenever I can but I can never get far or fully clear. Take this example and push it to multiple people. It doesn't feel nice to have to use jades on characters you don't like because the characters you do like are old and ineffective. And when you do invest in new characters you might not be a fan of they just eventually get power crept anyways.
I haven't seen anyone clear the new MOC with Jingliu, Silver Wolf, or even Dr. Ratio yet.
I did, not 3 star tho
why silver wolf? this is like the 3rd comment here mentioning sw cant clear end game. guys sw is not a dps shes a debuffer just debuff the strongest target then kill it with a dps lol. otherwise yeah jingliu and others are being powercrept nothing else to say there
I did, jingliu E0S1 3 cycle second half, huohuo E0S0, sunday E0S0, ruan mei E0S1. Btw, jingliu statistically have pretty much the same avg cycles as feixiao on this MOC.
I have a problem with the argument of "spend more wisely or with more responsibility". While it's true that you should learn how to save and properly manage your resources in a gacha game and could help avoiding some powercreep sometimes you must choose between pulling a character you like or pulling a character you don't like but it will be important for the next characters.
For example, I don't like Sunday, I really don't, I don't like his personality, nor his design, nor his personal story. And the same goes to Robin. BUT I had to pull for him because he would become the next meta and probably my next favourite character would be totally useless without him. So the question many times is "Waifu/Husbando over meta or meta over Waifu/Husbando" I think neither choices are good or bad.
What always pisses me off about these power creep videos is him saying people already got xy units. I lost my 50/50 trying to get a good support for my dots team I only have bronya ruan Mei and robin. I used robin on my dots team because I have no fua team build (all I have is moze herta and aventurine) and the other half needed a wind unit… all I got is blade and black swan so I built my bronya up, I can’t use aventurine with him my next healer is lynx or Bailu… even giving him ruan Mei AND bronya I couldn’t clear it… and my blade was built built but I don’t have any 5* lc on them im using the f2p lc cause that’s all I got :/ I don’t want mr pokke to use the 1.x units I want him to use them with an MOC that doesn’t work with the characters he have and he tries to figure out what can he do because that’s the problem. We can’t do shit if the MOC don’t benefit us when it comes to older units and most the time it never does. I tried using welt for the rappa MOC I couldn’t do shit but when I brought in my level 70 rappa with a barely built trailblazer and Gallagher suddenly I could clear everything
Subscribed to Mister Master Debater for putting Pokke in his place!
Quite frankly. I think Im disappointed with the content being put out nowadays from you. It feels like just trying to get something over on someone, and that's not what Im here for. Good luck, Mr Saint.
Truly the Robin's best team question was it. That proved Pokke just has no idea what a basic concept is or refuses to give any ground whatsoever (not even sure what ground would be given saying Robin's best team is FUA in the first place...). All while having that arrogant smirk. I like Pokke but my lord this powercreep arc of his is horrid.
Argument to pull for characters responsibly essentially means you need to pull not for characters *you like* but for characters *you need* to clear the content, which essentially ruins all the fun.
I actually liked wuwa more than hyoverse games, but due to the lack of optimization playing it in 2.0 is a nightmare. I literally had to wait 5 mins for the game to load so atleast if they optimize it a little more than i would be more than happy to return to wuwa to play with me fancy Carlotta.
i dont mean to be rude to how tectone handled himself during his debate with mr pokke, but in the "I'm Dissapointed" vid by tectone, around the 1:21:42 - 1:22:00 i just couldnt help but wonder why tectone didnt went a bit harder on mr pokke regarding the side quests that popped up during that debate like you mentioned.
I played HI3, Genshin til 2.0 and a few time later, HSR since launch > Jing Yuan and Peracony til feixiao, ZZZ since launch.
imo every games before ZZZ are really painful to play for many reason:
- Gatekeeping end game content with powerful characters, you cant 100% consistently clear every patch unless you pull the meta chars.
- Holding back on giving players freebies
- Lacking alot of QoL (skip button, exploration, farming, etc)
- Inconsisten Story quality, lazy story telling (boring ass talking scene where characters do the same pose), forget about old characters, etc
- Time consuming contents like boring side quest or that fking boring long ass rougelike mode in HSR.
All above are mean to make players willing to invest money and time to the games which is not wrong, they fking good at doing it to the point i got sick of it. Its just too much for me.
Its just my guess but im sure Wuwa and all the new upcoming games putting alot of pressure on hoyo, we have more freebies and get those QoL I thought never come to all games before ZZZ. But its still not change the core problem of those games. Sometimes I just wish they made those games a singleplayer experience since it have so much potential but i guess money are always the priority for them.
Edit: I love Wuwa and ZZZ and I hope they wont make ZZZ became shitty game.
Isn't the only 1.00hsr character still relevant is trailblazer, simply due to the harmony and remembrance paths?
Sometimes, I love to suffer for no reason but proving powercreep in HSR is a real problem...
I'm a full F2P player and I have 2 accounts. Not even speaking of MoC, I decided to try something that should be a pretty simple challenge : Echo of War: Inner Beast's Battlefield since I have too muc of the older EoW rewards... And boy, did I see the difference between 1.x and 2.x dps... For reference, the runs were made in full auto mode (and don't come and tell me that I should have done it on manual, the point will be the same)
My first account revolves around 2 main carries, Seele (E1S1) and Jingliu (E0S1). I tried Seele/SW/Sparkle/FX and got wiped. The only team with Seele as a carry that cleared ONCE was Seele/Jade/Sunday/HuoHuo, not really a 1.x team, especially when they all have their LC. Jingliu never passed the 3rd stage of the fight, be it a dual dps with Blade, full recharge team with HuHuo, Sunday and Tingyun or a more classic hypercarry Jingliu team. The only team that I can mention that had a pretty good clear of this EoW is a Clara(E3S2)/Blade (E0S1)/Huohuo/Sunday team.
The only other main dps I have on this account is Kafka, and we all know DoT teams are dead, even Kafka/BS ones.
My alt account has both Acheron and Firefly. Superbreak team cleared like a breeze (both Fugue and HMC variant) and Acheron team, even the Welt-sustain version (to add RM) cleared with zero problems...
let me give an illustration on what happens. living cost getting high due to inflation that one can hardly afford it with the current job. then someone said, just get a better job man. without understanding that the main issue of one need better job is because of uncontrolled inflation.
Thats Mihoyo strategy, to sell the new characters.
You're so real with the DBD analogy
People who think HSR don't have powercreep are delusional af 😂
At this point saintontas is just uploading other ppl videos with his webcam on the conrner xd
Honkai Star Rail has to have the fastest powercreep I’ve ever seen in gacha, and the game isn’t even two years old. At least Genshin Impact is five years old so you can kinda expect that there is a good chunk of it just cause it’s been out for that long, but in Star Rail characters can get powercrept in back to back patches. I have a decent amount of limited five stars, and it is so frustrating they are basically unable to get all the rewards from endgame content, turn based is supposed to have a lot of strategy but Star Rail spits in the face of that idea.
I don't think the V3 unit are gonna be future more power creep that much.
The major problem of power creep is advance turn mechanic gave too much buff and damage around them and Robin just make it twice more of it with Aventurine for advance turn sustain.
Only thing in V3 that would gave power creep again is summon advance turn , but I doubt they going to gave enough summon unit to build a op team , maybe V4.2 could have all summon power creep at that point.
You could have added the clips yourself instead of jabbing 😂😂😂. I truly belive this lazy cattle calling lazy pot lazy.😂
Ngl I thought he was wearing a graduation hat 😭
Farmtontas
Still, you did a good job
I still main Jing Yuan and he's my most invested character since I basically started the game for him, obviously I can not even survive moc 12 at the moment without healer and shielder in same team which messes my supports 😂 But I refuse pulling units I dislike playing, my characters carry me good and I just pretend moc12 does not exist 😅 I want to have FUN not plan meta!
for me the main problem is not the powercreep .. is how many character they give and how many pull we get OMG it's sooo hard to get character and build his team with the pull they give
Seeing new units being lined up to have more synergy with other new units than any of my old ones is making me regret playing the game for so long
I like Mr.pokke my problem was with tectone he said he held him accountable but right after pokke doubles down saying "you don't understand what I said" or "I miss spoke" and tecone didn't say a thing there's a difference between holding someone accountable and having them acknowledge an oppie. Then tecone throw everyone who disagreed under the same umbral calling them toxic retards but he preaches about making the gacha space more positive. 🙂
I only stay because of the login rewards
After that I'll take a break a long one, maybe until the game get better or when Fate collab arrived 😅
MrJokke thought he's the main protagonist of that debate, think he's cooking something with a smirk in his face.
There is was no war on bazhinse
Have you played 3.0 HSR? Basic enemies almost 2 shot any team that doesn't have a good shielder like Aventurine. Even with his bug fixed, sometimes my shield got nuked because new enemies attack multiple times (Arrowhead does 7 hits for example). The story keeps putting them in your path, if you don't have Acheron or FF to instanuke em, you're constantly fighting tanky enemies (forgot to mention they have a mechanic to mitigate dmg, heavily favors AoE characters to get rid of their stacks)
I gonna test it later.
Also. AoEmphoreus
There's 2 types of gacha games - high powercreep and low powercreep. High powercreep games pretty much dominated the market until Genshin came onto the scene as far as I know. In these games, don't expect your characters to last more than a year. It was when Genshin came around that you started to see more and more of what were effectively just actual games with a gacha system on the sideline, that didn't suffer from powercreep as much. Now that Hoyo has made a game in the still very much alive high-powercreep genre (mostly populated by turn based games), their community that has gotten used to low powercreep games is going to complain, of course.
You can safely add "Saint mentioning B-rolls" in any bingo based on Saint. It'll hit.
Honestly tho, I'm glad Connor didn't include any examples, for the most part of people summary is more than enough, these who actually wanna dig into it most probably already saw the original discussion and (like me) don't want to see giggling Mr.Jokky again anytime soon, imo.
P.S.: Personally, I understood where my expectations should be for GS and Tectone calls with him. I really did. I heard them. But when the supposedly "serious" tone turns into something like balls licking contest between two friendly dogs on a walk, at least make the titles that doesn't give expectations you don't want people to have. Like "Tea party with giggles with Pokke Bro about Powercreep and content farming" maybe?
Nobody cares what nobodies like me think ofc.
First look, i thought he's wearing graduation hat😁
Yooo Saint , can you react to Its Senpai vid about Carlotta quick swap teams ?
maybe that will change your mind about Changli xD
It lowkey upsets me that my E1 Jingyuan with his signature LC + fully levelled talents does worse than my E0 The Herta with mismatch relics + random LC, talent lvl 2. Both at lvl 80.
I just pull for who I like, decent supports and build my characters till they clear endgame, my seele still powering through, still need her lightcone tho
The amount of reaction video i see is making me sad that sidneymar haven't uploaded a lore video yet.
true. taking a bit of time crafting next lore vid hehe