Phyrexian Hulk may be a bad card, but it's got top-tier flavor text on the 7th/8th/9th Edition printings: It doesn't think. It doesn't feel. It doesn't laugh or cry. All it does from dusk till dawn Is make the soldiers die. -Onean children's rhyme
Darn, I wanted to post the exact same thing but you beat me. Such a cool card flavour. This was the main reason I put this stupid card in so many of my decks. That, and I was like 9 so I had no idea how to evaluate cards.
I have the 8th edition. I love it and sometimes read the flavor txt time to time. When it got reprinted in phyrexia reborn. I was disappointed with it because with the art and flavor txt.
If you want to see a card with great value, check out "The Hive" A 5 mana artifact. It allows you to pay 5 mana, tap it, and put a 1/1 flying insect artifact creature named Wasp into play. What a value engine!
I appreciate your videos so much. You did seem to miss one of the most important uses of Venser's Sliver; back in Time Spiral limited, this card was a great sideboard card against sliver heavy decks. You would be able to put out a creature that instantly benefits from all your opponents slivers without adding to their stats. In that sense, you typically get a card that if very efficient for five mana, again, without helping your opponent at the same time.
Lol, I played the shit outta Phyrexian Hulk and Scaled Wurm when I was younger, because the only magic cards I had were these old crappy cards like this. Me and my sis thought these cards were the shit
I am still jealous because you have a sister who would play this kind of game with you. Mine we never interested in any board or card game except a few classic ones
When i started playing Magic, i got Ice Age starter pack from my parents. Was so impressed by the stats of Scaled Wurm,kinda started a small thing that i collected Wurm creatures as young.
If you ever needed proof of MtG's creature power creep...you could give Goblin Hero double-strike, and he'd still only be decent. And...Pelakka Wurm is a 7/7 Trample that gains you 7 life, and draws you a card when it dies...and it still almost never sees play. For 7 mana, if it doesn't basically win you the game right then and there, it's essentially worthless in today's creature pool. And Scaled Wurm costs 8 mana...that's the same CMC as Griselbrand...a 7/7 flying lifelink that can draw you as many cards as you want essentially. A modern creature card with the same vanilla-ness as Scaled Wurm with the same CMC and literally double the stats (14/12) would still see zero play. Also...if you're gonna have an Azorius general...go for Grand Arbiter Augustin IV or Geist of Saint Traft. If you are dead set on making a bad general from Legends your Azorius general...choose Hunding Gjornersen, although he isn't vanilla. He has the best keyword ability ever...Rampage.
I haven't played magic in a very long time, but what I used to get for 6RRR was a Crimson Hellkite. It was a 6/6 flyer that had the ability to pay X red mana and tap to deal X damage to target creature. If it wasn't good enough to just brute force the game in the air then it could at least start cleaning up the board. THAT had a CMC of 9 in Mirage, it might well win you the game but it might take its time doing it. I actually don't mind 7 drops being used as likely win conditions, it makes games end. Some old school games could last an eternity if both players got a board built up, especially common in games where both players don't draw early land which isn't all that uncommon to be fair.
I remember I used Glass Golem in my casual Varolz deck when I was still discovering MtG. Placing 6 +1/+1 counters on a creature for 5 was better than most of the cards I had available to me at the time.
I'm so glad I found an MTG list and review channe! Thanks for the content! If I remember correctly, the reason multi-color creatures were less efficient was all the "protection from _____ color" that was around in old school MTG. I want to say the ruling was, for example, if a creature was black/red, and you had protection against red, that creature was unaffected because it also counted as a black creature. Though, I was in middle school the last time protection was a major thing, and we didn't have easy access to the rules lol. Having internet on a phone was scifi back then
Like Goblin Hero, Vizzerdrix is a pretty frustrating rare to open. A vanilla 7-mana 6/6 as a rare is pretty bad. It was a rare up to 9th edition (and never reprinted since), making it a modern-printed rare vanillla! The only other modern-printed rare vanillla that I'm aware of is Gigantosaurus, so I guess they finally learned how to make exciting vanilla rares.
Frustrating of a Rare that it may be, objectively a 6/6 for 7 is still a bit better than most of this list. Probably should be barely off it though if it has a color restriction like Vizzerdrix and Trained Orgg have. They also printed Infinity Elemental though, which is a Vanilla Mythic even.
Reasons why people might have run these cards: Phyrexian Hulk: trying to make a thematic oldschool phyrexian deck Squire: the meme Zombie Goliath: no clue Razorfield Thresher: art? I guess? Glass Golem: the art on this one is also kinda cool Goblin Hero: no idea Dross Crocodile: ...??? Scaled Wurm: someone really wanted another big green creature in their deck and couldn't think of a better option Venser's Sliver: it's a sliver that the guy owns and they made a sliver deck Jedit/Kasmir: tryhard hipster EDH player, there is no other explanation.
Great video! The scaled Wurm hits hard for me. The first EDH deck I built was Mayael, and I saw this card, thought it was great, and put it in my deck. I regret it. I lost so many games.
I think grey ogre is much worse than goblin hero. I know you say you have a personal story attached but at least it has some synergy with other goblin cards.
One tactic I can see with the Venser Sliver, albeit HIGHLY situational, is to add it when your opponent runs a sliver tribal while you take an artifact creature deck. Once your opponent's slivers get stacking on the buffs, you can toss our your artifact sliver which gets the synergies from your opponent's slivers PLUS whatever you choose to bring to buff your artifacts.
Phyrexian Hulk is my first MTG card... Among many, but it was a good big guy in any weenie pump deck. Most of my first year of playing had most games playing with or against the deck of cards. The art was awesome. Especially with the old card frame. As for Venser's Sliver, the one reason to play it is because it is an artifact creature. And they didn't reprint the (1) 1/1 artifact Sliver from the previous set. This gets around Protection from color's, or color hoser's that were common sauce prior to the invasion and 1st ravinica blocks.
A lot of the expensive artifact creatures work with Muzio, and make it easier to dig deeper next turn. So actually, it's worth it to have some of these pricier "junk" artifact creatures in a deck like that.
I'm surprised, I've been watching your top 10 vids for a while now and I really didn't except this particular one to be any interesting at all. But you managed to make it interesting. Thumbs up
I loved Scaled Wurm. Played it way back in the early days of magic when I didn't exactly understand the game. But I understood monogreen ramp. Ain't nothin better than casting natural order on your llanowar elves to get a scaled worm
100% understanding for vensers sliver. It only makes sense to play when you dont need it anymore. Simply because youre already rushing 12-20 5/5's and bazillions of 1/1's at your enemy.
Scaled Wurm was a great card in its day, because creatures were so underpowered and anything over 5/5 had horrible drawbacks (e.g., Lord of the Pit, Demonic Hordes, Personal Incarnation). It was printed at common and, yeah, it had all the being-a-creature drawbacks and was pretty munchkin-esque- I remember using Channel to summon one on turn 2, which wouldn't fly in competitive play- but, at the time, it was considered a good card. It could give some permanence to your mana-dork-heavy R/G burn deck. Force of Nature (2GGGG 8/8 trample with GGGG upkeep) was a competitive card and Shivan Dragon (4RR 5/5 firebreathing flyer with no drawbacks) was great- both of those were $20 rares. Thing is, casual games often got to a point where everyone was mana rich but had few or no cards in hand, because we didn't understand card advantage and undervalued reactive play. (Also, the game was less robust against mana screw, so 20-24 lands in a deck was the norm.) Scaled Wurm could change the game at the time, though it's nothing to write home about in a today's game, where we'd expect something at that cost to be 8/8 or better and trampling.
Goblin Hero has a special place in my heart. I like you started with Goblins around the same time. While I can fully admit it's a bad creature, the art and flavor text is some of my favorites of all time. I probably wouldn't play it today, but I still have love for the card.
Scaled Wurm might be a bad card, but is still one of my favorites. Excellent art, cool flavor text, and fond memories of this giant beast that would occasionally wreck my friends' decks.
Tbh, this list has inspired me to build an incredibly bad edh deck on edhrec just so you have a few more numbers to work with here. Also, I think there is one argument for Venser's Sliver- it is colorless in a 5 color deck and it shares the most important creature type in tribal. Basically, if you are locked out of a color and can't fix well enough (due to budget restrictions or other external influence) you always have at least one other sliver that can enter and gain any benefits from any other slivers on the board. Also, it's starting stats as a 3/3 are pretty good for a sliver, considering many slivers have buffing effects that can pump it to be a solidly large body for 5 mana. I'm not saying it is good, but probably could've opened up a spot in the list for something worse imo. To be fair though, not playing sliver tribal is a great way to make every sliver terrible.
I can't seem to find it, but I remember unpacking a grim reaper looking creature that was like a 7-8 cvc mana black 5/5 with flying that took 5 of my life when I played it. Had a good laugh at that one
One of my favorite cards as a kid was Hawkeater Moth. Cause I loved moths (I still do, actually), loved the art, and also it couldn't be targeted by the opponent!
Richard Kane-Ferguson is the best OG artist to work on Magic. I wonder how many of the new CPU artists use his work as inspiration. Dakkon Blackblade, Pillage, and Sol'kanar the Swamp King are my favorites.
I knew you would talk about the dross crocodile, I tryed to fit it in a Zombie deck because i've a large collection and i'm trying to use as much card as possible (and make deck ables to compet between each other) and it seemed like a good idea to slap some of those given the gimmick of my zombie deck is to get them all back in my hand. Also in french it's "Mephidross" instead of dross, which sounds better, there i said it.
You’re right, people do just take the tribal cards they own and shove them into EDH decks. People also build decks with any cards that have the word Phyrexian in them, and build decks out of cards that make them nostalgic. While EDHrec might be a good way to identify bad cards, saying that players who play them are making a bad decision assumes everyone’s goal is to win as much as possible, which isn’t true
If I where to rework razorfield thresher I would throw on a keyword or two I think first strike or mennace would do it pretty well Hell maybe even double strike but that may be pushing it
Hey I am just getting into MTG I have always been interested in them but I have been watching your videos and ive learned a lot. I have a suggestion for a best worst video ... Best Worst cards used by players in real games that were used and some did really good some got only a good laugh. idk I thought that would be educating for new comers like myself and also experienced players.
I used the Dross Crocodile in my Gisa Ghoulcaller EDH deck. You tap gisa sacrifice a creature and X 2/2 black zombies were X is the sacrifices creatures toughness. It worked well in the deck cause I could sack it and get 5 2/2s. It supervised with Visa perfectly.
To be fair, the zombie ones do have that zombie synergy where having a 4/3 zombie is just a good thing to be able to pull out of the graveyard is something needs to die. Considering there are cards where that zombie tag allows other cards to interact with it in the graveyard.
There was once a poll that was pretty much "What is the maximum amount of mana you are willing to pay, in a competitive deck, for a vanilla creature that has infinite power/toughness?" Most people agreed the answer was probably 5. So technically ALL vanilla creatures that cost 5+ are poorly statted, no matter what.
A 20/20 vanilla or higher for 5 could get played. Especially if it wasn't like GGGGG or WUBRG. You could just play ramp to get it out faster and then Voltron it to give it evasion and protect it. Whispersilk Cloak for example would do the job on it's own. In commander it would need to be a 40/40 to be as good or a 21/21 legendary CMDR. Infinite wouldn't even be necessary usually but at least that would also beat life gain. You could use counterspells to stop any board wipe except Verdict.
@@bradleyhoward9638 I'm not sure, it would have to depend on the power level of the format. Since the creature is vanilla, it would have to be given evasion from an outside source, protection from an outside source, and possibly even haste from an outside source. We're already at the point where we're talking about 3 card combos, in which one of the combo pieces costs 5 and has no redundancy, which is already balanced as an OTK even in regular standard. I feel like the creature having only 20 attack instead of unbounded attack at that point would render it *just* not good enough to see competitive play.
@@tudornaconecinii3609 you don't need 3 cards if the protection and evasion we're on the same card. Also you could play up to 4 of the big guy so he should show up reliably.
I guess the idea behind vensers sliver was (since slivers worked symetrical back then) to give Drafters a sideboard option against a sliver deck without feeding the oponent.
I drafted this format. Back then it was harder to make a deck. More cards were unplayable. Sometimes you struggled to find a 23rd playable card. This guy was that. Decent if you have some other Slivers in the deck.
I actually run zombie goliath in one of my zombie decks and it honestly doesn't do badly. I have lords that make it better but it fills the role of rage meat really well.
At the time it was printed, it wasn't even considered that bad. Goblin decks of the time didn't really expect that they'd have any creatures they'd be attacking into, and they sure as heck didn't block. If the opponent put down a blocker, the expectation was that you'd lightning bolt it or set off a goblin bomb. Later on, they'd be supported by goblin king. The point is, in a deck where you are always expecting to be going to the dome anyway, the downside doesn't matter that much.
I know it's been a year and I'm too lazy to look through the comments, but the reason some of these creatures are in decks on EDHRec is because they're budget options that are "good enough" for EDH.
You have to remember how early Legends was. At the time they weren't thinking about the game the way you are thinking about it now. They weren't even playing the game the way you were playing it in 1999. Back when legends came out, there would be 6 people sitting around a table playing the game in a free for all. What they were thinking about was that Legends gave big creatures to colors that had never had access to them before. As such, given the "casual" formats that people played in, those "bad" legends were really popular.
I think the early MTG philosophy was that big creatures should get more expensive, so legends cards were that way just because they were large and could take out many of your opponents creatures. (remember mtg had loads of 1/1s at the time). MTGs new philosophy is that creatures should get LESS expensive as their stats get bigger because of the decreasing probability of getting your top end lands.
I get an (unresearched) feeling there must be a commander that gives creatures indestructible or an inverted Doran that makes power equal toughness for all these high attack lower toughness creatures
Lord of the pit and savannah were my two first rares. I overlooked savannah as a rare because it didn't really stand out in revised. I was in love with lord of the pit, tho
Scaled Wurm is an absolute boss when you're just kids with very small pools of magic cards. If your friend didn't have the counterspell or terror ready, it was going to be an easy win for you.
I think printing goblin hero at rare is just old MTG design philosophy, also called (duh) ivory tower design (after Ivory Towers, of course). Basically it means generous sprinkling of "noob traps" in form of options which looks cool but actually are just junk. Junk legends, junk wurm and junk goblin hero are all traps.
I knew Scaled Worm would be on here. I started playing with Portal and one day saw one of these. It was the biggest creature I had ever seen. I had to have one.
aw u hated my croc. #4. i placed in a limited draft with him way back when, he was wheeling in 5 packs, i ended up with all of them and would just jam croc after croc, and regardless of the the trade just used the front end to plow thru. looking back a bunch of the people at the draft including myself were newish to limited and had no idea what we were doing. i’ve had a soft spot for homie ever since, he took me to 3rd place.
They coulda made glass golem a really fun/cool card, it could’ve been that stat line but with the ability “when glass golem dies, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and each creature they control”
Yeah there are more flavorful ways to do a glass creature. Even something small like, "when this creature dies, it deals 1 damage to target creature or player" would make a 6/2 way better. Or maybe make it have better stats but "When this blocks or becomes blocked, destroy it at end of combat."
Phyrexian Hulk may be a bad card, but it's got top-tier flavor text on the 7th/8th/9th Edition printings:
It doesn't think. It doesn't feel.
It doesn't laugh or cry.
All it does from dusk till dawn
Is make the soldiers die.
-Onean children's rhyme
Darn, I wanted to post the exact same thing but you beat me. Such a cool card flavour. This was the main reason I put this stupid card in so many of my decks. That, and I was like 9 so I had no idea how to evaluate cards.
I have the 8th edition. I love it and sometimes read the flavor txt time to time. When it got reprinted in phyrexia reborn. I was disappointed with it because with the art and flavor txt.
ViashinoWizard also the art is cool as shit
This is exactly what I was going to say. I was sad he used the wrong version
😂
Phyrexian Hulk still has my favorite art of all time! Shout out to all the artists who make great art only to have it dumped on a bad card!
prerelease open=win
I adore the flavor text on it, too!
Edit: the 9th edition version, specifically.
If you want to see a card with great value, check out "The Hive" A 5 mana artifact. It allows you to pay 5 mana, tap it, and put a 1/1 flying insect artifact creature named Wasp into play. What a value engine!
Even better card with just amazing value, Aladdin’s Ring. 8 mana artifact with 8, tap: deal 4 damage to target creature or player. Was printed 9 times
This is just better bitter blossom you don’t even have to pay life!
It is one of very few infinite token generators of the time. Its terrible value, but it has uses.
I appreciate your videos so much.
You did seem to miss one of the most important uses of Venser's Sliver; back in Time Spiral limited, this card was a great sideboard card against sliver heavy decks. You would be able to put out a creature that instantly benefits from all your opponents slivers without adding to their stats. In that sense, you typically get a card that if very efficient for five mana, again, without helping your opponent at the same time.
It makes even more sense with the flavor text!
yeah, I play a format where Venser's sliver is very good!
goblin hero is technically a misprint, was suppose to be an uncommon. got moved to the rare sheet by accident. I believe.
Even at uncommon that’s absurd, though.
It's a common that was accidentally printed with the rare expansion symbol. Mons's Goblin Raiders had the same misprint in the same set.
I could remember it was something like that, was kinda tired when wrote that.
Looks like they were only in premade decks, so the rarity didnt technically matter.
magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/goblin-misprints-2002-10-10
starter 1999 had booster packs.
Top 10 worst chocolate creatures
Gideon
*Teferi ... is chocolate
@@lucagiovanninieddu2603 something something that's racist.
@@joelhaggis5054 why he just has the skin with a dark color nothing is wrong with that
@@lucagiovanninieddu2603 I think it was a joke with the "something something," but I wouldn't be surprised
Lol, I played the shit outta Phyrexian Hulk and Scaled Wurm when I was younger, because the only magic cards I had were these old crappy cards like this. Me and my sis thought these cards were the shit
I am still jealous because you have a sister who would play this kind of game with you. Mine we never interested in any board or card game except a few classic ones
Top ten worst Rares sounds interesting.
As long as Arc-Slogger is on there.
Goblin hero and wood elemental.. LOL
Squire. The Time Spiral reprint counts as a Rare, right?
Misty's goldeen is the worse (pokeman)
When i started playing Magic, i got Ice Age starter pack from my parents.
Was so impressed by the stats of Scaled Wurm,kinda started a small thing that i collected Wurm creatures as young.
Scaled Wurm was the youth trap back in the day - I loved that guy.
I used to love ramping into scaled worm. Staring that baby down turn 4 or 5 was its own reward
If you ever needed proof of MtG's creature power creep...you could give Goblin Hero double-strike, and he'd still only be decent. And...Pelakka Wurm is a 7/7 Trample that gains you 7 life, and draws you a card when it dies...and it still almost never sees play. For 7 mana, if it doesn't basically win you the game right then and there, it's essentially worthless in today's creature pool. And Scaled Wurm costs 8 mana...that's the same CMC as Griselbrand...a 7/7 flying lifelink that can draw you as many cards as you want essentially. A modern creature card with the same vanilla-ness as Scaled Wurm with the same CMC and literally double the stats (14/12) would still see zero play. Also...if you're gonna have an Azorius general...go for Grand Arbiter Augustin IV or Geist of Saint Traft. If you are dead set on making a bad general from Legends your Azorius general...choose Hunding Gjornersen, although he isn't vanilla. He has the best keyword ability ever...Rampage.
Alexis Filigree there's a format of Commander specifically for using the Legends cards due to their lowered rarity.
I haven't played magic in a very long time, but what I used to get for 6RRR was a Crimson Hellkite. It was a 6/6 flyer that had the ability to pay X red mana and tap to deal X damage to target creature. If it wasn't good enough to just brute force the game in the air then it could at least start cleaning up the board. THAT had a CMC of 9 in Mirage, it might well win you the game but it might take its time doing it.
I actually don't mind 7 drops being used as likely win conditions, it makes games end. Some old school games could last an eternity if both players got a board built up, especially common in games where both players don't draw early land which isn't all that uncommon to be fair.
Creatures have certainly powercrept, but early creatures were more or less unplayable.
I remember I used Glass Golem in my casual Varolz deck when I was still discovering MtG. Placing 6 +1/+1 counters on a creature for 5 was better than most of the cards I had available to me at the time.
Have you thought of revisiting your old top 10 videos someday and update them? Great videos by the way!
Yup, I am planning on it
4:47 Even the flavor text on Glass Golem trashes the card lel
This guy got me into Magic. So that's pretty dank.
Drew Armstrong, The Glorious Lobster Emperor Glad to hear it!
I miss Carl Critchlow. His work on Venser's Sliver looks amazing.
If we're not gonna do Top 10 Vintage cards. What about top 9 Power 9? Think about it, in what order are the power 9 played from worst to best?
Top 10 Vintage cards excluding the Power 9... and maybe Sol Ring and Library of Alexandria too. ;-) lol
Timetwister 9 Mox Pearl 8 Mox Ruby 7 Mox Emerald 6 Mox Jet 5 Mox Sapphire 4 Time Walk 3 Ancestral Recall 2 Black Lotus 1
I used to ran Glass Golem, the reason? I liked the art
Victor Purificação Valid.
At least Glass Golem has good attack.
Always been a fan of the Jedit art. Mane blowing one way, grass blowing the opposite. Classic.
Ummm I know I already asked this but can you do YOUR Top 10 Favorite Flavor Text or Top 10 Favorite Art?
Read Magical Hacker... if you can!
I'm so glad I found an MTG list and review channe! Thanks for the content! If I remember correctly, the reason multi-color creatures were less efficient was all the "protection from _____ color" that was around in old school MTG. I want to say the ruling was, for example, if a creature was black/red, and you had protection against red, that creature was unaffected because it also counted as a black creature. Though, I was in middle school the last time protection was a major thing, and we didn't have easy access to the rules lol. Having internet on a phone was scifi back then
Like Goblin Hero, Vizzerdrix is a pretty frustrating rare to open. A vanilla 7-mana 6/6 as a rare is pretty bad. It was a rare up to 9th edition (and never reprinted since), making it a modern-printed rare vanillla! The only other modern-printed rare vanillla that I'm aware of is Gigantosaurus, so I guess they finally learned how to make exciting vanilla rares.
Frustrating of a Rare that it may be, objectively a 6/6 for 7 is still a bit better than most of this list. Probably should be barely off it though if it has a color restriction like Vizzerdrix and Trained Orgg have.
They also printed Infinity Elemental though, which is a Vanilla Mythic even.
Yeah Vizzerdrix and Trained Orgg are better than anything on this list.
Vizzerdrix and Trained Orgg were the ''bombs'' in my 7th edition deck
@@TheShinyFeraligatr but infinite power... most efficient vanilla ever.
Reasons why people might have run these cards:
Phyrexian Hulk: trying to make a thematic oldschool phyrexian deck
Squire: the meme
Zombie Goliath: no clue
Razorfield Thresher: art? I guess?
Glass Golem: the art on this one is also kinda cool
Goblin Hero: no idea
Dross Crocodile: ...???
Scaled Wurm: someone really wanted another big green creature in their deck and couldn't think of a better option
Venser's Sliver: it's a sliver that the guy owns and they made a sliver deck
Jedit/Kasmir: tryhard hipster EDH player, there is no other explanation.
Great video!
The scaled Wurm hits hard for me. The first EDH deck I built was Mayael, and I saw this card, thought it was great, and put it in my deck.
I regret it. I lost so many games.
wow wizards has put out some amazing artwork in their time.
I have Goblin Hero in my deck, and I love all my cards but with him I'm like "Well, until I find more goblin cards, you'll just stay here."
I would prefere to put a land instead of that creatures if i had the choise
@@MrHunapu Yeah, that's most likely a better option. Funny thing was it didn't show how rare it was, I thought it was a common.😅
I like the comments beside the number of EDH decks running these cards
I think grey ogre is much worse than goblin hero. I know you say you have a personal story attached but at least it has some synergy with other goblin cards.
It is statistically worse
One tactic I can see with the Venser Sliver, albeit HIGHLY situational, is to add it when your opponent runs a sliver tribal while you take an artifact creature deck. Once your opponent's slivers get stacking on the buffs, you can toss our your artifact sliver which gets the synergies from your opponent's slivers PLUS whatever you choose to bring to buff your artifacts.
Phyrexian Hulk is my first MTG card... Among many, but it was a good big guy in any weenie pump deck.
Most of my first year of playing had most games playing with or against the deck of cards.
The art was awesome. Especially with the old card frame.
As for Venser's Sliver, the one reason to play it is because it is an artifact creature. And they didn't reprint the (1) 1/1 artifact Sliver from the previous set. This gets around Protection from color's, or color hoser's that were common sauce prior to the invasion and 1st ravinica blocks.
A lot of the expensive artifact creatures work with Muzio, and make it easier to dig deeper next turn. So actually, it's worth it to have some of these pricier "junk" artifact creatures in a deck like that.
OMG goblin assault was my first deck too... the memories
Same
I'm surprised, I've been watching your top 10 vids for a while now and I really didn't except this particular one to be any interesting at all. But you managed to make it interesting. Thumbs up
I do love the goblin hero flavor text about everyone else stepping back.
Phyrexian Hulk did find its way into a few of my NPH limited decks when I was able to snag 3+ Splicers.
I loved Scaled Wurm. Played it way back in the early days of magic when I didn't exactly understand the game. But I understood monogreen ramp. Ain't nothin better than casting natural order on your llanowar elves to get a scaled worm
Except getting a wayyyy better creature like Verdant Force!
100% understanding for vensers sliver. It only makes sense to play when you dont need it anymore. Simply because youre already rushing 12-20 5/5's and bazillions of 1/1's at your enemy.
Scaled Wurm was a great card in its day, because creatures were so underpowered and anything over 5/5 had horrible drawbacks (e.g., Lord of the Pit, Demonic Hordes, Personal Incarnation). It was printed at common and, yeah, it had all the being-a-creature drawbacks and was pretty munchkin-esque- I remember using Channel to summon one on turn 2, which wouldn't fly in competitive play- but, at the time, it was considered a good card. It could give some permanence to your mana-dork-heavy R/G burn deck.
Force of Nature (2GGGG 8/8 trample with GGGG upkeep) was a competitive card and Shivan Dragon (4RR 5/5 firebreathing flyer with no drawbacks) was great- both of those were $20 rares.
Thing is, casual games often got to a point where everyone was mana rich but had few or no cards in hand, because we didn't understand card advantage and undervalued reactive play. (Also, the game was less robust against mana screw, so 20-24 lands in a deck was the norm.) Scaled Wurm could change the game at the time, though it's nothing to write home about in a today's game, where we'd expect something at that cost to be 8/8 or better and trampling.
Goblin Hero has a special place in my heart. I like you started with Goblins around the same time. While I can fully admit it's a bad creature, the art and flavor text is some of my favorites of all time. I probably wouldn't play it today, but I still have love for the card.
well, now we all know what creature will be on 1st place in your "10 worst goblins" video
I can tell you a reason why people might run Goblin Hero
There was a magic game with Goblin Heroes also the Heros are Bears in that game
YEEEEESSS screeeeew that "rare" goblin hero. I was probably 8-9 and couldnt understand why it was special
Scaled Wurm might be a bad card, but is still one of my favorites. Excellent art, cool flavor text, and fond memories of this giant beast that would occasionally wreck my friends' decks.
Thanks for the video! Hope you and Tookie are doin good!
Tbh, this list has inspired me to build an incredibly bad edh deck on edhrec just so you have a few more numbers to work with here. Also, I think there is one argument for Venser's Sliver- it is colorless in a 5 color deck and it shares the most important creature type in tribal. Basically, if you are locked out of a color and can't fix well enough (due to budget restrictions or other external influence) you always have at least one other sliver that can enter and gain any benefits from any other slivers on the board. Also, it's starting stats as a 3/3 are pretty good for a sliver, considering many slivers have buffing effects that can pump it to be a solidly large body for 5 mana. I'm not saying it is good, but probably could've opened up a spot in the list for something worse imo. To be fair though, not playing sliver tribal is a great way to make every sliver terrible.
Just curious - have you done a video on your top 10 favorite flavor text?
7:15 good ol magma rager.
I can't seem to find it, but I remember unpacking a grim reaper looking creature that was like a 7-8 cvc mana black 5/5 with flying that took 5 of my life when I played it. Had a good laugh at that one
One of my favorite cards as a kid was Hawkeater Moth. Cause I loved moths (I still do, actually), loved the art, and also it couldn't be targeted by the opponent!
I TOOOTALLY agree that Goblin Hero at Rare was some really strange, sick af joke. It must have been a misprint.
Richard Kane-Ferguson is the best OG artist to work on Magic. I wonder how many of the new CPU artists use his work as inspiration. Dakkon Blackblade, Pillage, and Sol'kanar the Swamp King are my favorites.
I knew you would talk about the dross crocodile, I tryed to fit it in a Zombie deck because i've a large collection and i'm trying to use as much card as possible (and make deck ables to compet between each other) and it seemed like a good idea to slap some of those given the gimmick of my zombie deck is to get them all back in my hand. Also in french it's "Mephidross" instead of dross, which sounds better, there i said it.
You’re right, people do just take the tribal cards they own and shove them into EDH decks. People also build decks with any cards that have the word Phyrexian in them, and build decks out of cards that make them nostalgic. While EDHrec might be a good way to identify bad cards, saying that players who play them are making a bad decision assumes everyone’s goal is to win as much as possible, which isn’t true
If I where to rework razorfield thresher I would throw on a keyword or two I think first strike or mennace would do it pretty well
Hell maybe even double strike but that may be pushing it
Hey I am just getting into MTG I have always been interested in them but I have been watching your videos and ive learned a lot. I have a suggestion for a best worst video ... Best Worst cards used by players in real games that were used and some did really good some got only a good laugh. idk I thought that would be educating for new comers like myself and also experienced players.
Neat, someone else remembers Beatdown Box! I think it's the reason I hate the "FOUR MANA OR LESS ONLY" mindset.
I used the Dross Crocodile in my Gisa Ghoulcaller EDH deck. You tap gisa sacrifice a creature and X 2/2 black zombies were X is the sacrifices creatures toughness. It worked well in the deck cause I could sack it and get 5 2/2s. It supervised with Visa perfectly.
To be fair, the zombie ones do have that zombie synergy where having a 4/3 zombie is just a good thing to be able to pull out of the graveyard is something needs to die. Considering there are cards where that zombie tag allows other cards to interact with it in the graveyard.
There was once a poll that was pretty much "What is the maximum amount of mana you are willing to pay, in a competitive deck, for a vanilla creature that has infinite power/toughness?"
Most people agreed the answer was probably 5. So technically ALL vanilla creatures that cost 5+ are poorly statted, no matter what.
A 20/20 vanilla or higher for 5 could get played. Especially if it wasn't like GGGGG or WUBRG. You could just play ramp to get it out faster and then Voltron it to give it evasion and protect it. Whispersilk Cloak for example would do the job on it's own. In commander it would need to be a 40/40 to be as good or a 21/21 legendary CMDR. Infinite wouldn't even be necessary usually but at least that would also beat life gain. You could use counterspells to stop any board wipe except Verdict.
@@bradleyhoward9638 I'm not sure, it would have to depend on the power level of the format. Since the creature is vanilla, it would have to be given evasion from an outside source, protection from an outside source, and possibly even haste from an outside source. We're already at the point where we're talking about 3 card combos, in which one of the combo pieces costs 5 and has no redundancy, which is already balanced as an OTK even in regular standard. I feel like the creature having only 20 attack instead of unbounded attack at that point would render it *just* not good enough to see competitive play.
@@tudornaconecinii3609 you don't need 3 cards if the protection and evasion we're on the same card. Also you could play up to 4 of the big guy so he should show up reliably.
I mean there is a GGGGG 10/10 in gigantosaurus who saw play in standard
@@zackestin1368 Hm, yep, that would contradict my hypothesis indeed. But are you sure gigantosaurus saw play in standard?
Scaled Wurm's flavor text is pretty apropos: "...they embodied the worst of the Ice Age".
I guess the idea behind vensers sliver was (since slivers worked symetrical back then) to give Drafters a sideboard option against a sliver deck without feeding the oponent.
I drafted this format. Back then it was harder to make a deck. More cards were unplayable. Sometimes you struggled to find a 23rd playable card. This guy was that. Decent if you have some other Slivers in the deck.
I actually run zombie goliath in one of my zombie decks and it honestly doesn't do badly. I have lords that make it better but it fills the role of rage meat really well.
Next to Scoria Elemental, Venser’s Sliver looks really good.
How about top 10 worse than vanilla creatures? Goblin Elite Infantry comes to mind
At the time it was printed, it wasn't even considered that bad. Goblin decks of the time didn't really expect that they'd have any creatures they'd be attacking into, and they sure as heck didn't block. If the opponent put down a blocker, the expectation was that you'd lightning bolt it or set off a goblin bomb. Later on, they'd be supported by goblin king. The point is, in a deck where you are always expecting to be going to the dome anyway, the downside doesn't matter that much.
If goblin ELITE infantry are like that, wonder what goblin rookie infantry will be
Scaled Wurm has single-handedly won me otherwise stalled, grindy limited matches on more than one occasion.
I know it's been a year and I'm too lazy to look through the comments, but the reason some of these creatures are in decks on EDHRec is because they're budget options that are "good enough" for EDH.
You have to remember how early Legends was.
At the time they weren't thinking about the game the way you are thinking about it now. They weren't even playing the game the way you were playing it in 1999. Back when legends came out, there would be 6 people sitting around a table playing the game in a free for all.
What they were thinking about was that Legends gave big creatures to colors that had never had access to them before.
As such, given the "casual" formats that people played in, those "bad" legends were really popular.
I like to create Kombo Fixed Cards for Worse Cards like this to fix them - this would be a nice Set Concept for Junkrares and other cards
I would run Squire just for the flavor text alone
He's great on a board of 1/1's. That's where it shines.
My understanding was that Goblin Hero was missprinted as a rare in the starter set....
I think the early MTG philosophy was that big creatures should get more expensive, so legends cards were that way just because they were large and could take out many of your opponents creatures. (remember mtg had loads of 1/1s at the time).
MTGs new philosophy is that creatures should get LESS expensive as their stats get bigger because of the decreasing probability of getting your top end lands.
My first "best creature ever", was a 7/7 green Wurm, costing 7 mana that did nothing, also Vizzedrix and the 6/6 for 7, red ogre xD
I love the flavor text for no.8 XD
I get an (unresearched) feeling there must be a commander that gives creatures indestructible or an inverted Doran that makes power equal toughness for all these high attack lower toughness creatures
Glass golem is nuts with colorless spell reducing cards, playing that thing for 2 mana in a blue artifact deck is fun
Notably, if you can get Dross Crocodile into a position where it swings unopposed, that five damage is nasty!
As always, very good research.
TBh I always thought those goblin heroes were misprints, that the card was common, but got the rare stamp by accident.
Razorfield Thresher has good flavor text. You gotta give points for that.
Lord of the pit and savannah were my two first rares. I overlooked savannah as a rare because it didn't really stand out in revised.
I was in love with lord of the pit, tho
Yeah I only started playing in Urza's Saga, but I bet a lot of early players were saying "Aw man, my rare is just a land!"
Phyrexian Hulk was a favorite of mine back in the day. Yeah it was bad, but it made up for that with the artwork. ;)
"in number six we have our last artifact creature"
then proceeds to show another in the number two.
Goblin hero doesn't come from booster packs, only the starter deck and the gold color on it is supposed to be a misprint according to wizards
Scaled Wurm was my kid card. I build decks around that worm!
We need vanilla support.
That's what Muraganda Petroglyphs is for.
Goblin hero 99 has my favorite flavor text in the game though.
Agreed. Remembered it before I saw the card.
Scaled Wurm is an absolute boss when you're just kids with very small pools of magic cards. If your friend didn't have the counterspell or terror ready, it was going to be an easy win for you.
Worst vanilla creatures but best art lol ! Love the videos bro keep it up
...but...I still love the art on Scaled Wurm :)
I think printing goblin hero at rare is just old MTG design philosophy, also called (duh) ivory tower design (after Ivory Towers, of course). Basically it means generous sprinkling of "noob traps" in form of options which looks cool but actually are just junk.
Junk legends, junk wurm and junk goblin hero are all traps.
I knew Scaled Worm would be on here. I started playing with Portal and one day saw one of these. It was the biggest creature I had ever seen. I had to have one.
petegriswold Yeah I think every new player falls in love with an awful huge creature.
id love to see a top 10 "pay life" cards.
What's funny is that Dross Scorpion can be used with Tetsuko to become a 5 power unblockable creature. Not that I would.
Lol I too have personal love/hate for goblin hero and scaled wurm! Though my Hero with that same art isn’t rare :S
Vensers sliver is good sideboard if slivers are meta in your area. i had 4 in my artifact deck since 5/14 people ran sliver decks in my area
aw u hated my croc. #4. i placed in a limited draft with him way back when, he was wheeling in 5 packs, i ended up with all of them and would just jam croc after croc, and regardless of the the trade just used the front end to plow thru. looking back a bunch of the people at the draft including myself were newish to limited and had no idea what we were doing. i’ve had a soft spot for homie ever since, he took me to 3rd place.
Aww I used to love playing Scaled Wurm. It has warm place in my heart, but I agree it's terrible! haha
They coulda made glass golem a really fun/cool card, it could’ve been that stat line but with the ability “when glass golem dies, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and each creature they control”
Yeah there are more flavorful ways to do a glass creature. Even something small like, "when this creature dies, it deals 1 damage to target creature or player" would make a 6/2 way better. Or maybe make it have better stats but "When this blocks or becomes blocked, destroy it at end of combat."
Woa. Zombie Goliath is a great Zombie Deck curve topper.
"If you want to buy them as singles for some sick reason"
Crap, he knows I'm here.