“When plunder becomes a way life for a group of men in society,over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorises it and a moral code that glorifies it.”Quotation by Frederic Bastiat.
Ja neh, this is SA where known killers are in Parly and others are going about their lives.Now that I know who is behind Dr Hlophe witch-hunt,I'm not surprised.Just disgusted
Pen 🖊 i think you should continue talking about Politics , you give a different perspective on the political landscape in our country that the mainstream media doesn't touch on. #Just a subscriber who values your thoughts/Insight.
Those politicians claiming moral high ground borders to sanctimoniously behavior😳. All the apartheid judges were guilty of crimes against humanity😳Yet The judge responsible for the death penalty / sentence of Solomon Mahlungu was never impeached . We all have such double standards. If judge Hlope was found guilty of misconduct then he paid the price… to no longer be able to practice as a judge… what else do we want! If we could only be so vocal about the apartheid judges . Lord help us all😢
Well said. People should remember that ANC preferred working with the apartheid parties than fellow black liberation movements during codesa. It was no accident that Ramaphosa ordered Marikana massacre.
True, it's strange because Wouter Basson was not arrested but the doctor that worked on forcing gay men in the SADF to get forced gender reassignment therapy was arrested. Another strange thing about Basson is that he was supposedly working for Gaddafi for a while, so maybe the he and the ANC are working together too.
As far as I understand he offered his "services" to Gaddafi AFTER apartheid was dismantled! Washington wasn't pleased about that when they got wind of it and pressured the ANC government to keep Wouter Basson under control.
Dr Wouter Basson has been employed as a cardiologist at at least two Mediclinic facilities in the Western Cape. If you don't know who’s Basson, do yourself a huge favour check documentaries on 'Project Coast’. The amnesia of these people. To even put Hlophe on a comparison with Basson is not fair.
why can't basson be expelled from the country. he should not be allowed to continue to provide medical care to the community. unite south africa and press your politicians to stand up for what is right
Eish Penuel, painful reminder. The DA, Fikile & Cyril have selective amnesia about the atrocities committed yet this Basson is still receiving a stipend!? Dr Mandlakayise Hlophe has not committed any atrocities. Until when must black African people be trodden and treated as subhuman. Why is the ANC doing this to us?
"Do as we say, not as we do"! It's always the same case. Those who make the law are seldom the ones who follow it. A typical but maybe not closely related example is that of not wearing a seat belt. Traffic departments (municipal and provincial) rake in millions worth of seat belt fines yet I've never seen a traffic cop wearing a seat belt in my life.
I saw a clip about Wouter Basson a few days ago, advising people how to hide crimes. Seems he is doing public speaking now and part of this also explain how you can keep your pose for a crime when it goes into the open. I saw this but closed it immediately again as this is proper rubbish, how should we do crimes in SA and hide it easily, a few tips.
All you are saying is that people literally get away with murder. However that has nothing to do with Hlophes fitness to appoint judges when he himself proved unfit as a judge. We the citizens of SA deserve better than this.
@@thembadhlamini-ie8ql I wonder why as black people do we need to insult and argue at the same time. Couldn’t you disagree with the person and not go for “rubbish” I’ve noticed this pattern among us.
You say Basson was acquitted from wrong doing, Hlope wasn't? "to decide officially in a court of law that someone is not guilty of a particular crime: She was acquitted."
Apples with pear's - two different scenarios. Wouter Basson was part of a political apparatus that justified what they did in the name of the people. He followed the instructions of the government of the day. What they did was reprehensible. Nicknamed "Dr. Death" by the press for his alleged actions in apartheid South Africa, Basson was acquitted in 2002 of 67 charges, after having been suspended from his military post with full pay in 1999. (Please note the date) Today he saves lives and is highly regarded in his field. Dr Hlope was a highly regarded judge - someone that supposedly would have learned from the errors of the past. He was supposed to be apolitical and devoid of political influence. He was not. That is just as dangerous if not more than what Wouter Basson did. The reason I say this is that his powerful influence could be used to set free criminals (like a Wouter Basson) if he feels it is politically or otherwise justified. He knows the better than any of us - and should be an example. But he is not. Being a "Dr" or an educated person does not mean you are inherently or by default good. But your actions speak. Look at Markus Jooste - the most celebrated entrepreneur in SA - a fraudster who never apologized or tried to atone. Gayton MacKenzie - gang leader turned politician - by his deeds show that he whishes to be better and atone by his actions. That should be the criteria. So lets see if the good Dr follows the rule of law and the constitution. After all - his party whishes to do away with it.
So basically if the government employs my skills to commit genocide it's not my fault it's the government fault and I should not be held accountable for my decision to comply with a inhumane government decision
The members of the Nazi Party who " followed " the instructions of the day, were not allowed to be part of the new democratic dispensation of Germany, most of them ...If you can trust the character of Dr Hlophe, to be in Parliament, ...how then do you trust the character of a Judge or a medical doctor who executed murders on behalf of a system....
Yhoooo u are unbelievable, typing this bible defending kak, I give up. That dr of death murdered innocent people, you can't seriously compare the impact with that of Hlophe yhoooo😢
Inciteful Black Pen. Continue opening people's minds.
Get yourself a book called "THE MOST DANGEROUS SUPERSTITION" By Larken Rose. It will tell you what government is.
Great book i still read it often.
Is it available at Exclusive Books?
“When plunder becomes a way life for a group of men in society,over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorises it and a moral code that glorifies it.”Quotation by Frederic Bastiat.
Kindly arrange interviews concerning this topic, Pen. It's important!
Ja neh, this is SA where known killers are in Parly and others are going about their lives.Now that I know who is behind Dr Hlophe witch-hunt,I'm not surprised.Just disgusted
Hlophe is a sucker
Well articulated my brother
Pen 🖊 i think you should continue talking about Politics , you give a different perspective on the political landscape in our country that the mainstream media doesn't touch on. #Just a subscriber who values your thoughts/Insight.
penuel i gwala jo
Thank you - painful reminder! 🥹While on this path, please read book titled, SA: Betrayal of a colonised people by SEM Pheko. Aluta!
Those politicians claiming moral high ground borders to sanctimoniously behavior😳. All the apartheid judges were guilty of crimes against humanity😳Yet The judge responsible for the death penalty / sentence of Solomon Mahlungu was never impeached . We all have such double standards. If judge Hlope was found guilty of misconduct then he paid the price… to no longer be able to practice as a judge… what else do we want! If we could only be so vocal about the apartheid judges . Lord help us all😢
Well said. People should remember that ANC preferred working with the apartheid parties than fellow black liberation movements during codesa. It was no accident that Ramaphosa ordered Marikana massacre.
True, it's strange because Wouter Basson was not arrested but the doctor that worked on forcing gay men in the SADF to get forced gender reassignment therapy was arrested. Another strange thing about Basson is that he was supposedly working for Gaddafi for a while, so maybe the he and the ANC are working together too.
As far as I understand he offered his "services" to Gaddafi AFTER apartheid was dismantled! Washington wasn't pleased about that when they got wind of it and pressured the ANC government to keep Wouter Basson under control.
Power to you Black Pen for raising this...
NOW WE KNOW WHO THEY FEAR.
Dr Wouter Basson has been employed as a cardiologist at at least two Mediclinic facilities in the Western Cape. If you don't know who’s Basson, do yourself a huge favour check documentaries on 'Project Coast’. The amnesia of these people. To even put Hlophe on a comparison with Basson is not fair.
This topic deserves an in-depth revisit with interviews Pen.
Amnesia and selective memory is unfortunately a trait of most politicians.
Thanks Penuel for this information of bias
why can't basson be expelled from the country. he should not be allowed to continue to provide medical care to the community. unite south africa and press your politicians to stand up for what is right
Thank you son that is true
Eish Penuel, painful reminder. The DA, Fikile & Cyril have selective amnesia about the atrocities committed yet this Basson is still receiving a stipend!? Dr Mandlakayise Hlophe has not committed any atrocities. Until when must black African people be trodden and treated as subhuman. Why is the ANC doing this to us?
Very painful...
Anc and national party same same...
I look at the comments - and it just proves my point.
Research is a skill you have mastered bro... I respect you...
"Do as we say, not as we do"! It's always the same case. Those who make the law are seldom the ones who follow it.
A typical but maybe not closely related example is that of not wearing a seat belt. Traffic departments (municipal and provincial) rake in millions worth of seat belt fines yet I've never seen a traffic cop wearing a seat belt in my life.
As long as you loved by the ANC leaders and u white you safe
As long as you are Indian by surname of Gupta you will be loved by MK
15 July 2019 junior Khumalo on city press write about Guptas relationship with ANC read it please
@@thulubhekemiya2988 Gupta couldn't get into pockets of Mandela and Mbeki
Thank you blavk pen i agrees too
ANC is useless viva PAC of Sobukwe and not of Nyontsho
It would be good if you personally had a chat with him - and do a talk on here with him
Dr Wouter Basson vs Those who : Killed Thami Zulu, Lusaka, 16 November 1989.
@@LazFume deflecting
I saw a clip about Wouter Basson a few days ago, advising people how to hide crimes. Seems he is doing public speaking now and part of this also explain how you can keep your pose for a crime when it goes into the open. I saw this but closed it immediately again as this is proper rubbish, how should we do crimes in SA and hide it easily, a few tips.
The Black Pen❤
All you are saying is that people literally get away with murder. However that has nothing to do with Hlophes fitness to appoint judges when he himself proved unfit as a judge. We the citizens of SA deserve better than this.
@masambeni how do you proof fitness of a judge?
@kbksennykubheka542 the question is how do you prove that a judge is unfit. When he is impeached by his fellow judges, he is unfit.
His still workin under your mates rob friends medical group mediclinic
I believe never Dr Hlophe. He is dangerous and steal money. He must go to jail
Who's money he stole? You are writing rubbish. Write something you know not what you think with your devil mind busy misleading people
@@thembadhlamini-ie8ql I wonder why as black people do we need to insult and argue at the same time. Couldn’t you disagree with the person and not go for “rubbish” I’ve noticed this pattern among us.
@@LazFume If it quacks it’s a duck. Ndithembu ba uyayazi intsingiselo Xhengo.
@@LazFume I take it that you don't have time since you utterly asking me stupid questions.
You say Basson was acquitted from wrong doing, Hlope wasn't?
"to decide officially in a court of law that someone is not guilty of a particular crime: She was acquitted."
Apples with pear's - two different scenarios. Wouter Basson was part of a political apparatus that justified what they did in the name of the people. He followed the instructions of the government of the day. What they did was reprehensible. Nicknamed "Dr. Death" by the press for his alleged actions in apartheid South Africa, Basson was acquitted in 2002 of 67 charges, after having been suspended from his military post with full pay in 1999. (Please note the date) Today he saves lives and is highly regarded in his field. Dr Hlope was a highly regarded judge - someone that supposedly would have learned from the errors of the past. He was supposed to be apolitical and devoid of political influence. He was not. That is just as dangerous if not more than what Wouter Basson did. The reason I say this is that his powerful influence could be used to set free criminals (like a Wouter Basson) if he feels it is politically or otherwise justified. He knows the better than any of us - and should be an example. But he is not. Being a "Dr" or an educated person does not mean you are inherently or by default good. But your actions speak. Look at Markus Jooste - the most celebrated entrepreneur in SA - a fraudster who never apologized or tried to atone. Gayton MacKenzie - gang leader turned politician - by his deeds show that he whishes to be better and atone by his actions. That should be the criteria. So lets see if the good Dr follows the rule of law and the constitution. After all - his party whishes to do away with it.
So basically if the government employs my skills to commit genocide it's not my fault it's the government fault and I should not be held accountable for my decision to comply with a inhumane government decision
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The members of the Nazi Party who " followed " the instructions of the day, were not allowed to be part of the new democratic dispensation of Germany, most of them ...If you can trust the character of Dr Hlophe, to be in Parliament, ...how then do you trust the character of a Judge or a medical doctor who executed murders on behalf of a system....
Yhoooo u are unbelievable, typing this bible defending kak, I give up. That dr of death murdered innocent people, you can't seriously compare the impact with that of Hlophe yhoooo😢
@@glomab2758 Maybe you should Google "The Killing of Thami Zulu, Lusaka, 16 November 1989" The ANC killed their own.
A zulu defending another zulu using whataboutism, what a surprise.
So Zulus should have opinions about other Zulus 😂😂😂😂
Must he a boer defending Orania? Would that be better for you?
@@Qhawe_Jameson. More whataboutism, not surprised.
@@Qhawe_Jameson.Well answered!! Sometimes you don’t need to respond to small minded people. 😂😂
Get a life!
You can't use whataboutism P to adjudicate matters such as this.
Rubbish!