The $10K Fake Tan Drama | Mikayla accused of causing $10K debt
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Ok I should have known better and it seems we all (majority)agree 😂 I know we are all like minded so I’m not sure why I thought there would be disagreements 🖤🖤🖤
Robert we love you for a good reason. 😂❤
he was way more in the wrong than her, he comes off so desperate and entitled. good job robert!
Alright, hear me out, he's 100 percent wrong but morally, she DID do something bad. How far do you go to support influencers or how long do you let go of this kinda thing? Especially when she has been commiting legal and moral wrongdoings... Ik it's a small thing, but in the big picture, things add up.
Don't get me wrong, I do respect your opinion a lot, I don't disagree with you completely, just putting up a different perspective.
Probably because people are quick to try to school influencers on what they're doing wrong, not realising they're already running a successful business which takes time. I'm glad people's eyes are open on this one.
I went on a rampage about this guy on this video! I'm sorry. I just can't with some people!Thank you for saying the right things!❤
He asked a complete stranger for a free favour, got nothing in writing, then took out a 10k loan and started publicly whining about her. How can anyone be so entitles omg
I agree! Taking out a loan shows he expected to gain something from her time. But wanted a “friendship” with her. No you wanted to benefit from her time.
Did he actually show us the loan he took or did he just talk about it? He showed all the messages and stuff but I dont remember a loan recipt or anything. Part of me wonders if he actually took it out in the first place.
@@carolbaker2773ooh, good question!
Actually he did got in writing, she did said she’ll post video of his product tomorrow but it’s his fault for taking 10,000 loan..
@sukuna- when did he say he got anything in writing?
All of this was so so messy! I think both were in the wrong, but for different reasons. But strictly speaking on the, “she cost him 10k,” he absolutely should not have taken a loan based off of a verbal agreement.
Absolutely!
Agreed
Yeah it reminds me of Marlena Stell from Makeup Geek and Jaclyn Hill… like always get that contract written down or proof of a verbal contract…
A verbal agreement from a stranger! Talked on the phone for 20mins or whatever. I think she's trashy for lots of stuff but he expected a whole lot for nothing.
I can’t agree with you more 👍
„She doesn‘t care about meeee.“ - yes, and why should she. She does not owe him anything.
Meeeeeeeeee 😂
But mental health 😂
When he picked up the medication though 😂 I can’t he’s crazy never get involved with crazy entities people
She’s gross!🤮
The big shock to me that Robert didn't mention was Matthew saying that "other people have mental health issues too, Michaela!" Like - yes! And just like it's none of your responsibility to fix her issues, it's none of her responsibility to fix yours!! How disrespectful to throw mental health at people like a weapon
I hate people that do this.
Yes everyone has issues. But that’s doesn’t mean yours outway others or theirs outway yours. Respect is free and it’s such a shame that he has literally gotten free promo from this drama. If I was Mikayla I wouldn’t have pandered to it. But I don’t have millions looking at me I just have a few hundred who like pictures of my dog 😂
Robert did mentioned it, I think
He did
Waving his medications around was such a despicable thing to do
I can't stand her just because I can't listen to her voice, but if he wants a guaranteed review, he should have paid her for it.
Yes! I was wondering why he has no problem using a loan to buy product, but not be willing to use any money for a paid review.
I've hated her ever since her tone deaf "tRy BeInG aN iNfLuEnCeR" rant. I guess she has it tough compared to my lvl 1 trauma job. 🤷🏽♂️
Her accent is completely faked. It’s so funny cause watching really, really early videos it isn’t there.
That voice 😳. I’ve never heard her and I was immediately turned off by her voice. It baffles me she’d fake that
Her voice is like a fake cartoon wannabe version of Leah Remini.
this was naïveté at best and exploitation at worst - on his part. a lot of his other content prior to this has always rubbed me the wrong way
Totally agree
I thought it was just me. His ego was uncanny. He was just wanting to use anyone to get money. He was very insulting to folks in the space.
Agreed. He wanted something (big) for nothing. Didn’t even send her the product, she purchased on her own time.
When you exploit someone you don't give them a choice. She had a choice. She could have easily said "no".
I was struggling listening to his little victimhood narrative especially when he pulled out the pill bottles, like bitch it’s 2024 we’re all medicated so put your dogs de-worming tablets down and stop being over dramatic 😂
Here’s my take: what if she didn’t like the product? What was he going to do then? Still be SOL on a 10K loan. Not saying she is blameless for not following through but basing a business decision on the actions of one individual is reckless.
“We need to be helping each other” how was he helping her then? 😂😂
Frfr 😂
Honestly😂
with all the ~exposure~
/sarcasm
I think she forgot how it was when she didn’t have millions of viewers. And you never know the future.. and people, can fall deep in this business and she may be one day on the other side of this…. At the end of the day I believe in karma. And if he has a good product the product will speak for itself, she didn’t NEED to keep promising him things she never would do. Why ON EARTH does she makes promises I will do x or that or y.. clearly you can’t rely on her so who wants to work with her?
This whole thing could have been avoided if he just said to her “can you give me a head’s up when you have the review ready to post so I can make sure I have stock on hand to deal with a potential increase in orders”
LMFAO LEGIT OMG
She literally said she'll do so multiple times lmao
Or she just didn’t replay to his original text
@@annierminxHe should of waited till the video got POSTED not just a verbal agreement over text
No when when the review was READY
My assessment… this guy either 100% targeted Mikayla to drama farm or is just a terrible business man who doesn’t understand the business at all… or both
I’m definitely thinking both because a good business person should not rely on publicity surrounding one person whether it’s good or bad publicity. He could’ve just let it slide and kept boosting the people who did positively review his products. Now you have a bunch of people who did not know him feeling like “wtf is wrong with this guy” 😂
This guy is not daft. He knew what he was doing. Any publicity is good publicity right?!
Both
Definitely both, and add a huge dose of ego and self-entitlement. He’s a gross individual.
Good accounting practice is to have enough “seed” money before you dive into a business enterprise. As I see it, this gentleman was trying to cross the river before reaching to the bridge. He caused his own mental stress with his own decisions and worst, the fact that he publish his frustration give a taste of malicious intent towards Michaela. I don’t think that influencers will want to conduct business with an unstable & emotional person as such.
19:09
The part where he says "she doesn't care about my mental health" and where he swings around his medicine saying "You're not the only one babe" was left out in most of the videos I watched about this situation. This really puts things into perspective for me.
i swear i got in a fight with matthew in his tiktok comments like 6+ months ago because i was trying to explain to him that a company couldnt copy his design in only a couple months with all the research and development that has to happen behind the scenes. i told him i was a market research participant of bondi snds in 2021 and these questions were asked to me at the time ! and he bascally tld me i was ignorant for not supporting small business and couldnt wrap his head around the fact that he was (most likely) not copied at all
Seriously? That’s wild that he did that. I do think big brands copy small brands but the way he described as this big conspiracy of them going after influencers that liked his products and trying to steal away Mikayla before she could review his just irks me.
Ever since he started saying that, I knew he was lying
the guy is the definition of victim mentality
Oof I hadn’t seen that, from the start from what I’d seen I felt somewhat bad for him…perhaps not anymore 😶 it’s a shame his product is so amazing and was something I’ve been after for ages
i agree i feel like i would love his product as someone who has weird undertones and coloured hair! but i can't support someone who seems to think their the centre of the universe cos that just gives me the ick@@Alt__Amy
He made a poor business decision and instead of owning it decided to point the finger at someone else.
And by posting it publicly he could drive traffic to his site.
I agree 100%
Attempting to put someone on blast when expecting free work from them is a level of emotional immaturity that shouldn't extend past high-school.
I was thinking the exact samething.
Primary school
He even went and complained to his mom
that mental health part where he pulled out his pills wow im speechless, extremely cringe
The thing about the first video of Mikayla reviewing Bondi Sands is that there was only 4 days between his video requesting she review his brand and her BS review. Anyone who knows anything knows that this isn’t enough time for BS to reach out to Mikayla’s mgmt, work out a deal, sign contracts, make a video, and then post it. That process would take a couple of weeks even being rushed. He was grasping at straws from day one.
why did he assume she was going to give a positive review thus leading to these crazy sales? if she said she didn’t really care for it, would she also be responsible for the loan?
Super good point - cocky on his part
My exact thoughts! Like he's asking for the review but he already assumed Mikayla will recommend it to everybody.
This didn't even cross my mind- and it puts pressure on reviewer
i mean.... i would hope a business owner is confident in their product...
i dont trust mikayla but maybe the reason she didnt post a review is because she just doesnt like the product 😅
He definitely jumped the gun and I think he knew he messed up. I think he chose to come forward because he BANKED on people's dislike of Mikayla. After he came forward, he got a lot of new followers and a lot of sales. It feels like he found another opportunity and took it.
Exactly. He's going to come out ahead probably because of how much people dislike/hate Mikayla. Just based on that alone he should be okay but eh. He still jumped the gun for sure.
#youarenotwrong
That’s why I feel this was a publicity stunt concocted by Mikayla and the tanner guy. Any publicity is good publicity.
jumped on bandwagons going both ways. Tried to monopolize off Mikayla and kiss ass to her- then when that didn't work he jumps to the anti-Mikayla appeal
I'm sure he'll make back the loan money with his drama, but longterm his business will likely not grow much being backed by him, between his poor and entitled decision making skills and his new reputation for them. Perhaps a similarly drama-oriented brand will pick it up (down the road) but that makes me fully belive that the uniqueness and whatever innovative aspects of this product & quiz, and even the niche in the market will suffer and it will become an easier cash grab than one brand duping the concept but not the branding or quality (alleged quality lol).
Kind of a shame, but I do think pushing for more inclusivity in natural-leaning standards of beauty (nothing wrong w orange imo but it's a bit specific to fake tan 😂) is a slow-moving but organic movement. It's hard to care about the environment and human health and appreciation of nature and beauty and also make big strides in this global economy. Of course, we are a part of nature's beauty ourselves whether leaning toward "natural" or "artistic"/"glam" looks--Im not saying this in context of the pendulum swings in aethetics and all that, moreso pointing out the slow push in some places to disentangle the traditional ideals of beauty & financial chokehold from a realer attraction to and sense of beauty & a balance w natural resources. This is some of the reasoning for companies and people being drawn to the dreaded clean label/market/whatever--though it's abt $$$$ most of the time imo--but also about specific products that work well for you and make it easier to be confident that it will work. That's why it makes sense to me to have a large range of shades as long as they're well researched but it's greed pretending to preach 'Woke' if the actual shades suck; or how it's (small) innovation to have nondehydrating makeup but tasteless and even damaging to force the trend cycle hard left toward skincare in everything (not inclusive for sensitivity or even ignorance about what you may need or be sensitive to) and 'clean girl' + glowy what have you more quickly and abruptly than a natural trend cycle ime ...where you can't keep your former look bc everything's discontinued--or Jumped in price--or it's at least a little glowy. You've gotta be new, buy new. Everything's gotta dupe the next thing even at the same price bc they're forcing the trend a little too hard for much interesting to come up, let alone exist on a shelf a week without being duped. (I get the appeal tho in general). Now you have to look the same/trendy, and they regain control of the standard of beauty which very much does have more organic influences at the change of trends.(""They''''' ik lol sry). It sounds a bit conspiratorial, but it's more about looking for & writing off the obvious&subtle methods brands/media/bought out or excitable influencers jump down the throat of anything 'homegrown' to make it marketable within an acceptable (white, neurotypical passing, cis/straight/ally ig?? able-bodied not poor wife material feminine GiRL) beauty standard. The inlfuencers dont have to meet that standard, bc it's good to show ~a little~ diversity, but they have to be able to sell it. I'm not so much for pushing a new 'natural' trend I just feel invested in seeing what can happen from what ppl actually want, + not making 55 versions of it or the market trying to control major trends or profit immensely off of micro trends aka fads aka a natural passing interest. So I think this small business exists in this pattern, but this is a step outside of what I'm rooting for personally.
So sorry my brain stopped working outside of 'Rant and Run-on' abilities, but I hope some of it makes sense and I appreciate anyone who reads any of it. 😬😭😭
He said I’m gonna use her name and likeness to sell my product one way or another.
You’re my fav❤
🥹🖤🖤🖤🖤
Ahhhh my two favorites!
He wanted her to review the stuff on HIS timeline, without paying her... and she had to BUY the dang thing. Speechless.
The least he could've done was send her one if he wanted her to try it so much!
@@princessinfrills he did I think or she said she already had it
@@petthequeenofmaddness8592 i think it was both. He said that if she would agree to review his product, he would send her one. Then after a while, she said that she'll review his product and that she already had it. (At least, that's how i understood it)
"None of her business." I love this man's assessment AND energy. This is the one beauty advice expert I watch regularly. No drama.
Yeah, here for it !
100% none of her business, this man is pushing so much onto her without even doing the bare minimum of sending her free product! Ridiculous. This is a crazy situation that she did NOT ask for.
What Barbara said !
ALSO THE TRAUMA DUMPING. LIKE WHAT??
To me the trauma dumping on her felt like he was just trying to further pressure her into agreeing to this very free favour
It screams entitlement. And lowkey kinda manipulation ???
I didn't even finish the video yet, but you are spot on. I'm a mental health professional and one of my biggest things I work with my adolescent clients on is accountability and responsibility, this man is not taking accountability for his actions or his feelings. She owed him nothing at all. Period. You're not being harsh at all, just speaking facts and I'm here for it.
I’m not a fan of Mikayla by any means so I was prepared to blame this on her, HOWEVER, the guy with the beef has clearly never heard the phrase “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” She lied the first time about posting the review video, what makes him think she wouldn’t do it again?! The entitlement of this guy is super strong…😒
Yeah he’s SUPER entitled
Agreed! And tbh, it wasn’t even about being fooled imo. (I don’t watch mikalyla, nor do I self tan) the moment I heard about his beef.., I felt he was in the wrong. Imagine spending 10k on the assumption someone would try out your product on camera and love it? What if she finally tried it out and hated it? This could’ve gone wrong for him in so many ways! He didn’t pay her for a sponsored post. (Nor could he afford too obviously) I saw some tea channel do a video on this topic too. I think the drama helped him sell his product without her review anyway tho… now, back to Roberts opinion!! Lol
I feel like he didn’t do his homework on this lady, he must have known that if he expects publicly from someone with huge audience he must be ready to invest and pay her. Such a bad decision, this man doesn’t understand how this industry works. He paid her nothing, she owes him nothing neither responsible for him spending $10k expecting a review from her a good review on top without sponsorship.
I dislike this woman but this man is not right in this situation.
A bit of clarification: I don’t think there was any intent to fool anyone, it’s just a very old idiom that basically means if someone’s already proven themselves to be untrustworthy by lying to you, it’s a you problem if you trust them a second time. :)
His level of entitlement is astronomical, especially considering there has been a line of self-tanners wit specific undertones made by an Australian company that has been around for at LEAST 3 years. Bondi Sands are copying them, if anything. He needs to get his head out of his own arse and do some research before making these kinds of claims.
She was irresponsible. She shouldn't have told him it would be out in 24 hours. She should have set boundaries and expectations and been like, "Since I'm not getting paid for this, there's gonna be a longer timeline."
HOWEVER, he was also irresponsible for taking out a loan based on nothing more than a verbal agreement. He also showed a lack of professionalism.
I agree neither are blameless
Definitely agreed. I get influencers can be busy, but saying “yeah I’m going to be releasing a review tomorrow” to someone MULTIPLE TIMES then not doing it or giving explanation for it feels like you’re just stringing someone along at that point instead of being honest about it.
But at the same time, the guy shouldn’t have taken the loan when he points out himself that he knew about her reputation (which is bad) beforehand and seen firsthand that she flakes out of the review that she kept promising.
Like I can’t fully blame Mikayla or the guy for this situation, but both can’t wash their hands fully of blame for this happening.
Very accurate and fair assessment. He made the more grievous mistake because it cost him money if he’s wrong.
I don’t agree. She probably meant well and wanted to help but finally was not able to do it for reasons we don’t know. We have all been in the situation where we promise too much and then feel bad when we can’t pull it off.
This guy should have moved on from the beginning when she did not post, realizing that oh well, it was worth a shot, but…
@@Chihiro33333She has a reputation for this kind of thing, I don’t think she meant well whatsoever. But also, if you know someone has this kind of reputation- don’t expect them to actually follow their own words 😂
His mistake was being pushy and relying on Mikayla to be head over heels with this product. He should have let it go if it seemed like it wasn't happening.
All I heard in his posts was me me me. “She doesn’t care about me…” like yeah babe, she doesn’t have to.
He asked someone for a favour that was entirely one sided, kept pressing for the favour, made a business decision in expectation of it, and then blasts her for it. I failed so hard to be sympathetic to him.
Yeah, and he sounds so condescending in his video
@@laexdream but we should feel so sorry for him, because he is a victim of Mikayla and a victim of corporate and a victim of mental healt.. (/sarcasm)
Exactly. Also the shaking of the pill bottles...dude seriously hard to feel sorry for you after that too.
Agreed. Plus no matter how good the product is, this was handled poorly and I won’t be purchasing.
she effing offered to do it for free. she lied or she is just shallow?
When did personal responsibility for ones choices become lost? Maybe he should have offered to pay her or not taken a loan out without a contract first? This is embarrassing.
Right!?
If he cared so much, he should’ve absolutely paid her for a post. She has a huge reach- whether people like her or not. You’re willing to get a loan for $10k but not pay her an amount? Crazy. 🤯 because her paid review could’ve made him money in tenfold.
or she should have not agreed to help the guy out
@@tressssah I agree that she was crappy in committing to something and not following through. I guess it seems naive on his behalf though to make such a huge investment based on words, especially with the history they had around the product exchange and months of her ghosting him on it. I guess for me, I would assume that I couldn’t trust her word after multiple times of her not following through. Crappy for him absolutely, I feel bad that he lost money. I just think it was an investment made on poor judgement and hopefully with all of the attention this has gotten, he’s made his money back at this point with people who are trying to support him.
@@brooketrisano6450 She's really not though, this isn't a friend of hers, it's business talk, no contract, no money, no business.
the fact that she owns up to not doing the review right away speaks volumes about her. The fact that HE tried to blame Mikayla for EVERYTHING, including prematurely taking out a 10,000 dollar loan say a lot about HIM. I was willing to try the tan in fact I was highly interested in it BUT when someone can't even say "hey, I made a mistake. It wasn't their fault it was mine" it makes me think of middle and high school temper tantrums. Thank you for showing us both sides Robert! I've seen video after video ONLY showing his side which made me pause.
He never provided proof that she actually told anyone to shut up or told them no. I truly believe he’s lying and using that as an excuse as to why he did what he did
He also never provide proof of the loan or his stock
He is obviously using this situation for free PR. I BET he made his $10,000 back plus some after he started this TikTok drama, plus he throws out mental health issues for futher attention...shameful honestly.
His product is basically sold out now so 🙄 he got his money one way or another
To be fair, no worse than Mikayla. Pretty smart, actually. It’s tiger eat tiger out there😂.
I had to check his website and natrually, there's now a delay in order times 'due to an influx of orders'. Worked out perfectly for him, despite him being in the wrong.
Or maybe he never even took out a loan!!
@@therealJamieJoy I wonder about that too.
Honestly, if I had done something so utterly stupid, such as take out a 10K loan without any contract or deal, I would not have announced it to the world. It's borderline insane.@@jacobus57
@@therealJamieJoyyes! He totally scammed everyone allegedly
who knew
THANK YOU, Robert! Finally a level headed video regarding all this.
I am a senior Finance and Management Consultant, and this is no way of conduct a business.
To ensure a delivery of a service or of goods, one draws up a contract and pay the cost for that service / product. If one doesn’t have money, one offers time instead: ”what can I do for you to make up for this?”
This guy is an entitled whiner who does not own up to his poor business decisions. I cannot see that he will ever be successful, if he will continue like this. No one wants to work with somone who blames others for his own mistakes.
Yes, I think that Mikayla did wrong when she said she was going to post something, when she was not able to do so in the end. But only towards herself.
She did not owe this guy anything. I hope she can learn to say no in the future, so she does not have to end up in this kind of situation again.
this dude is 100% the type of person who if his partner says i love you on the third date, he'd immediately goes to book a wedding venue
He jumped the gun a bit there... Sure, I can understand it's frustrating because things didn't turn out the way you expected, but it's not always someone else's fault. He's the one that took out a preemptive loan. 😅💕
100%! 🖤
The fact that he was going off a comment she mentioned in her video is NUTS. Honestly, he likely just came out with this narrative to use her infamy to his benefit
He figured if she did the review and his product would fly off the shelves, and if she didn't then he could complain and get attention on his product that way. No such thing as bad press.
100% this 👍🏼
Yes, this was very calculated.
This almost feels like borderline coercion on his part by trying to make her feel bad for him in order for her to give a good review of his product.
Very manipulative--and PITIFUL sounding.
Unless you have a signed contract, you do not take out a loan based on a “verbal” agreement. That’s just bad business. I don’t own any business but I know enough to have a legally binding contract before I go off and get any loan.
I think the way she replied was incredibly classy honestly. She owned her part, didn’t own what wasn’t her & also showed his product in a good way.
Wasn't expecting that from her, but I definitely agree. She took the high road!
Whatever PR agency scripted that video for her deserves a raise 🤣
Now if she only ever did this...
I totally agree. I'm not a fan of hers but the way she handled it has made me see her in a better light. xox
I’m no fan of Mikayla but this whole thing is completely on this guy! He was stupid to get a $10k loan BEFORE the review was posted.
No, a little bit is on mikayla, she lied and led him on. She should have told him no from the get go. He shouldn't have gotten the loan
I’ve been in the sunless tanning industry for over 20 years, and I have to call malarkey on the “different colors for different skin tones” bit.
The main ingredient in sunless tanners is DHA and that is what produces the change in skin tone. It doesn’t come in varying colors and there aren’t too many other ingredients that caused the kind of reaction DHA does that would produce long lasting color.
Companies are now adding different temporary dyes to the products to make it look a different color as it goes on but once you wash that bronzer off, you are left with the color that comes from DHA… A orangey-brown.
Now, you can adjust the percentage of DHA to be darker or lighter for different skin tones - but it’s just a different saturation of that same DHA orangey-brown color. You can’t make it say more green or red depending on someone’s skin tone - only lighter or darker.
There may be some temporary staining from the topical bronzer, but it washes off. It’s a gimmick.
I can't believe I'm siding with Mikayla here but this is entirely a Matthew problem and not her! Bloody hell, what a garbage take.
I completely agree with you. Also, he said "Why would Mikayla be saying "no" and "shut up" to people asking her to review the tan when she knows I spent $10,000." Maybe because you ticked her off when you you put that pressure on her. She's a human! She's going to have human responses sometimes!
I don't think Mikayla is in any way responsible for this person making a terrible business choice. She seems like she's a very busy person and yes, she said she would review his Product, but relying on an influencers review to justify taking out a loan, seems cray-cray to me. I was trying to be empathetic to him but when he started scrutinizing her tan and decided to lay his Loan at her feet, it became too much for me.
100% agree with you!
Because it IS crazy😂
This!!! 100%. When he started to criticize her tan, it just felt gross and honestly kind of made him look like a jerk.
The way that guy was talking really rubs me the wrong way. Him calling her a “poor girl”, like she’s a grown woman not a child. Also if you aren’t paying someone for a review or for them to actually make a video on your product, you need to pay them. She bought the product herself and has no contract saying that she’s reviewing the product. Should she have not told him that she’s reviewing it tomorrow, yes. He also shouldn’t have taken the loan until the video was posted.
Bro him picking apart her apology is INSANE… can’t people just accept apologies anymore and be the “bigger person”?
Easiest way to get her to make a video would have been to change it to a PAID advertisement. But 9k worth of product and pay her 1k. You get what you pay for.
she offered to do it for free though
Then he got FREE results!
@@brette7118 this is a violently American answer 🤣
I agree. Being in business means making smart and conscious business choices, you’re always going to be in some way responsible.
If this is how he handles a minor disappointment, he’s not prepared to be a business owner.
Let's hope potential investors haven't seen this drama because it shows he isn't logical or rational
@@joopapril1 totally agree, a quick google search is Due Diligence these days and the refusal to take any responsibility isn’t ideal to say the least :(
@@tinac3880 as a micro business owner I hard agree….. it’s been a learning curve of almost inverse proportions! Yes he is obvs allowed to be disappointed but you cannot shirk all responsibility. There were no contracts and nothing was written down, and in the courts ‘if it isn’t written down it didn’t happen’ will sadly always apply. I’m sad for him, but there are better ways of expressing the disappointment and better ways of channeling his development as a business owner.
It's crazy to me how she flaked on him TWICE and he didn't have the sense to start making connections with other influencers who would gladly review his product. She's right when she said his business shouldn't be solely dependent on HER.
Also guilt tripping her with a 10 000 loan that he decided to take all on his own is crazy
How can he pre-order $10,000 worth of product that is supposed to be custom blended? Gurl, she's a scammer.
You do not get to blame or gaslight another human being into being responsible for your own mental health. The word "cringe" does not even begin to describe it. What person hangs any of their financial hopes and dreams on a social media influencer?! Robert, 10000% agree! There's 0% accountability for his behavior or his financial choices.
I would be absolutely livid if someone tried to use their mental health to manipulate me like that. No matter what you think of her as a person, that was not ok.
it's so tacky and manipulative for a business owner to use that to try to convince a bunch of strangers to spend $$$ on their product
@@kristindixson1535 1000%
@@angelgirlmari5686 Absolutely.
Right we are all responsible for our own mental health
I agree 100%. He is asking an influencer with millions of followers to do a review for free, and then he makes a bad business decision by buying $10,000 worth of product without a contract with mikayla and bam... look where hes at now.
Extremely well said!!!! And I 100% agree with your point, no one wants to do their work for free!!!!!!!
there’s a brand called Le Tan that has been making this idea of tan for YEARS. i have no sympathy for Matt OR Mikayla
I had no idea le tan has that concept too! As for "copying" his idea, his only reasoning is they came out with their products a couple months after his- he should know it takes months if not years to develop products before release, I'd say just co incidence
Been looking for this comment. I know there has to be a brand that's done this customizable tan thing before him. It's not a new idea at all. Of course if you Google customizable tanner his company comes up because he's most likely paid for SEO.
He made an absurd business decision. I work in product development (not in cosmetics, a different consumer product) and when to place orders for product is SO important. He needs to own his decisions.
Not just that, he could have taken pre-orders (if she had actually gone through with the review and he had gained some customers) and had a cut-off date by which to have placed an order by. Then he would have had exact numbers and the costs. It’s ridiculous how he went about it 😭 I have zero idea how he got the business running in the first place!
You articulated so very well! I truly love how you broke this down and explained it and I kind of felt the same way as what you said just can’t explain things as well as you did!
I love this kind of content because we all need to step back and think before we react. Social media is so good at driving our emotions, especially outrage but we need to do what you showed here and think about things from both sides. I know I need to keep working on not just reacting. Thank you for making this video.
Yo this dude is soooo privileged and Mikayla was so unnecessarily nice to him. He went into her DMs asking for free work, she agreed to do so, but delayed it cuz she has her own life. His followers going into her comments and harassing her for him is so wrong too.
If she was nice, she wouldn't have lied to him. She should have been upfront
Not you trying to ignore that she literally lied for months. Just say that you have no time and don't say shit. Mikayla isn't and angel here either
Where did she lie? It sounds like she updated him when she couldn't get to it. You can't not pay someone then get pissy when it's not their first priority.
You want something on a specific timeline, pay for it.
@@StonedHuntershe admitted herself that she was in the wrong for promising to do it “tomorrow” and “next week” so many times, which is a lie in the sense that she didn’t keep her word, but she also took responsibility for that so that’s as much she can do.
If there is a group of people out there who hate Robert Welsh, I refuse to acknowledge their existence. He is too lovable.
I just love your takes . They are so well thought out and fair . You have an ability that a lot don’t to look at nuance . Love love love
Thank you for this video, finally someone with a balanced perspective! ❤
There was already a line of self-tanners like this from another Australian company (prior to the Bondi Sands line). I do find it really arrogant when business owners try to claim that bigger companies are copying their 'original' ideas, but do absolutely no research and act like they're the centre of the universe.
Yes exactly! In Australia products and concepts like this are NOT new!
Agree. I was a Beauty Therapist in Perth and 15 years ago we had different coloured undertones in our tanners. It was hysterically funny hearing people state BS copied this tiny man's idea. Like, please sit down. But maybe the USA is behind in tanning the way they're behind in sunscreen - Australia reins supreme.
Exactly! When he tried to claim the bigger company contacted Mikayla, sent her product, paid her to skip the line of other paid reviews, and she filmed a video for them all within the 4 days after he begged her for a review, I knew this guy was ridiculous. It couldn’t possibly be a coincidence because this huge company is clearly out to mess with him (heavy sarcasm).
He called his mother about what to do Sooooo, it’s his mothers’ fault?
@@penelopediblasio2566It was still his choice at the end of the day. No one to blame but himself.
I’m not personally a fan of Mikayla, but she had far more patience in this situation than I would. I would have blocked him months ago
Then why agree to review his product. She should have said I’m not interested in reviewing your product. End of story. Instead of leading him to believe she was going to review his product
She was in the wrong for that but he was also asking for her to review for free. He didn’t event send her PR. It’s her job. Pay her
@taililing1907 then she could have mentioned that in private. And if your not going to pay me I'm not going to review your product.
What’s wrong with her just being honest and saying no??
@@taililing1907So it’s greed? I know many higher bloggers have promoted things for free to support new businesses.
You're always right on point. Love the level headed, well spoken king! 🤍
when he’s like “i only talked about this because she was being mean to my followers!!” babes no you didn’t … she’s rude to people all the time but because now she has nothing to offer you it’s suddenly wrong ????
The first reasonable take on this I have seen. So many people blaming her for his bad business decisions. He handled this wrong at every turn.
Both of them were wrong, lol. Don’t promise things you are not going to do. All she had to do was say, dude, I’m busy-I made a note, it will be down the road.
So, yeah, she just lied.
It’s also possible that they set this up ahead.😂
However, she shouldn't have lied to him and led him on
Charlotte Dobre was on her side and a lot of her viewers were kind of upset about it. She said both were in the wrong but he was more wrong. But she shouldn't have said she'd do the video next day, etc.
@@Princessofthedrk eh, I dont personally think it's a big deal that she said she would do the video the next day. She probably intended to and just wasnt able to get to it.
@@nomanejane5766 She didn't lie. She just didnt get to it. I'm not an influincer, but I am a creator and people do ask me to do stuff for them fairly often, often for free, and sometimes I say I'm going to do something thinking I can and then I didn't end up having time. Should she have followed up? Sure. But that doesn't mean she lied.
ETA: Besides, her promising him that she would do it, is not a reason to make a $10K order. That was absurd and it's even more absurd to blame her for it.
I’ve said it before - this guy saw dollar signs and wanted to make sure he could sell as much as possible. It backfired. 🤷🏼♀️
Not completely cause a bunch of people are like “you poor man” and are rushing to buy his product. His website is basically sold out right now and he said “hey there will be a delay due to the inrush of new orders”
Which is what businesses do. 🤷🏻♀️
people on the internet who say “you don’t care about MY mental health” always put up red flags to me😭 like why are you trying to guilt trip us for your mistake???
Completely agree with you! Also, your articulation of those entire situation we so good. I love you videos.
you’re so well spoken Robert 😮💨
Hi Manny!😊
Agree
As are you!
it’s the way this made me so happy because robert and manny are two favorite youtubers :)
He's not well spoken by UK standards, he pronounces th as f.
I still like his content though
Imagine pressuring someone into giving you something bc of your mental health….
Whilst attacking them and therefore affecting their mental health...
Yes! I feel like a lot of people are glossing over this part because they don’t like Mikayla. Using your mental health to manipulate someone like that is awful, and then he accused her of not caring about anyone else’s mental health because she didn’t drop everything to do a free review after his guilt trip. Think what you want about her, but I would be livid if someone did that to me.
Yeah this Matthew is really manipulative I bet his only mental health problem is being full of himself
Love your take on this Robert!
100% agree with everything you said. The guy wanted to guilt trip Mikayla into helping him, the sob story about being a small brand and then the mental health dig to get her to care about his 10k loan. And I say sob story because, ANYONE in business knows that marketing must have a budget, and even if Mikayla is disliked, she is an influencer and a business of her own- he just did not want to pay her. And I don't like Mikayla's content and care little about her dramas, but this guy is very manipulative.
I'ma make a list of things I don't like about Michael's situation
1. He didn't pay Mikayla, but was able to get a $10,000 loan, why not talk to Mikayla about how much her sponsorship would cost at a discounted rate, add that to your spending projections and insure a post by getting the loan and using a portion to pay for a day of her work?
2. He asked her in October which would be the time of year where Mikayla is getting THE MOST brand deals because of Christmas which is a few months away.
3. He made this video in January because he knows January, February and March are months when people have the least amount of money to spend, and wanted to capitalize off the drama because he didn't plan for the possibility she wouldn't review the product in the busiest spending season of the year.
4. At the end he tells people that "if you don't have the money for the product share the post" but he supposedly has $10,000 in product he can't move, why not discount the product?
5. If he isn't discounting product he has that isn't moving it only makes me think that if he couldn't sell to Mikayla's fans, he would sell to her haters.
6. In Mikayla's text she says "I'll buy the product to review it" THIS MAN DIDNT EVEN SEND HER PRODUCT!!! HE EXPECTED HER TO PAY FOR HER OWN PRODUCT TOO!!!!
Wait she bought it herself? Okay that’s crazy
No 6 is mindblowing!
Also who's to say he even took out this 10 k loan because of this and not for something else if he did at all
@@abookishmess that’s valid. Robert was like “you got 10K worth of product piled up in your house? Can we see it?” 😄
She said she would buy it but ended up finding it at home.
I’m obsessed with the eye look in this video!! 😍💚💛
I really appreciate your honest and non biased information and opinions on things. Thanks for being you 🖤✨️
"also where is it in your house can we see" i SCREAMED the timing the face and how you said it was hilarious 😂 18:20
8:46 obviously jumped the gun on everything, but this reads straight out parasocial relationship. What could have possibly indicated a friendship to him after what allegedly was one conversation?
Right!!!???
Your eye makeup is GORGEOUS!
I love your objective take on this very emotional case
Robert, totally fair and balanced commentary. People have forgotten the skill of listening and a bit too quick to judge. ❤ love your work ❤
Exactly that! Thank you 🖤🖤🖤
You are so classy @@RobertWelsh
@@RobertWelsh💜
This dude is straight up delusional! He’s mad bc he expected free, immediate advertising? Wow
And like, not just a free ad in your city's newspaper, but free ad on CBS as an equivalency. Guy likes to dream big I guess.
bc she gave an immediate time frame, not him😭 I don’t agree with him nor her btw
That’s ridiculous and entitled to think that there was firstly that the review was going to be a positive
, then that it will be reviewed and posted immediately, then thinking viewers would think its worth enough to bother with all of the available options.
The owner saying a big brand copied him because they offered color analysis…. That’s very main character energy and now I feel like it was more of a PR stunt all together at this point. Like to start drama. He’s not doing well as a sympathetic person in this talking shit about her tan and swearing it’s not his whole looking oddly burnt fish like 👀
He just cost himself way more then that 10k in his own now…
Robert you’re a star! love your calm presence in a very “in your face” personnas on this platform. Which I am myself, however it’s so refreshing hearing opinions in a calm way. I really respect and value your educated opinions. You’re like my opposite sister 🤍 Will always comment on your videos for the algorithm!
He was so messy and unprofessional for taking the drama he created online in an effort to take advantage of many people’s distaste for Mikayla. His attitude makes me never want to purchase his product.
I made the mistake of spending based on someone else's word, without a contract, but I was 19 and never did again.
I didn’t know how to feel about this, but you made some amazing points I hadn’t thought of and none of the other takes mentioned. I completely agree with you!
I love your videos! You cover interesting topics and bring fun commentary ❤
I have no opinion. I'm just here for Robert! ❤
😘🖤🖤🖤
Right!?!? I don't care what he talks about - I watch regardless!!
Indeed. Why he hasn't been cast in movies or something is baffling. Plus he's often hilarious.
Honestly thank you. I watched someone talk about this maybe last week and everyone was saying how bad a person she was. I was the only one thinking the business owner was reckless and shouldn’t blame his finances on her
Same. People hate her so much they don't think about it impartially
Whiny a$$ Kermit the Frog! I’m sorry I know that’s not nice but his whining needs to stop.
@@samc5877 I'm not really a fan of hers (don't care about her or give thought either), and when I saw his first video come up on Tiktok I was intrigued since I'm nosy and like drama. But as he kept going I was like....wait..... I...don't agree...this seems like it was kinda your own fault
I agree a billion percent!
I’m glad you put this out. People are so entitled and short sighted. They needed a mature point of view
As a small business owner I’d never jump the gun and buy stock. Especially if I ask a content creator for a FREE review??? Pre-sales are a thing? So messy..
I would never even ask anyone to do business with me for free. She is not your friend or family. On what planet do they do that on? It’s the entitlement for me.
Her being open about mental health does not mean anyone can spill their guts about their own struggles. She's an advocate, not a therapist
This is why i like you so much. Level headed. ❤
I appreciate your perspective!
I learned this the hard way as a kid with a lemonade stand! Some kids in my neighborhood set one up, and even though I wasn't invited to help, I was so eager to participate that I printed posters for the lemonade stand and put them up all over the neighborhood. I remember going over to the stand expecting them to welcome me with open arms, but they told me "we never asked you to make those", and turned me away 😂 I was bummed, but it taught me to never make an investment like that on assumptions and hopes. His 10k investment was HIS choice; she's not responsible for that decision.
Stop thaf made me laugh but also feel sad for you 🤣