Why 4 Out Of 5 Dentists Have An Issue With The New Staccato HD P4 & P4.5 2011-ish Pistols
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- There has been a lot of hype leading up to the release of the new Staccato HD line of pistols (the HD P4 and HD P4.5, so far). The Doctor could not wait to have the opportunity to report back on his first-hand experience with these new Staccatos. His Dental knowledge led him to a unique conclusion.
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Don't quote me on this, but I recall seeing or hearing that the aluminum magazine catch was designed in a way as to not wear out the over-molded plastic locking tab on actual Glock magazines. How much validity or truth there is to this statement is to be determined after testing, however upon closer inspection of the MecGar pattern magazine that ships with the gun, you will notice the cut-out for the magazine catch appears to be a non-pass-through stamp instead of the traditional cut. All valid points. Can't wait to get hands-on with them at the shop and range.
Interestingly, I remember very similar concerns regarding the metal vs polymer charging handles for the CZ Scorpion EVO. That was back in 2020. I actually forgot about that, but now, since significant time has elapsed, I'm going to have to check and see if the anticipated issues came to fruition.
I saw a Shot Show review from someone directly asking a Staccato employee that same question about the mag release. Their response was that it was aluminum and wouldn’t chew up the plastic magazines.
I guess time will tell.
There is a video about building this gun from the ground up. They have addressed every possible issue in this 2011 including the magazine catch. It will not wear the Glock mags as they changed the material.
I’ve had money set aside for this P4.5 now for MONTHS cuz I knew 2025 was coming right when I was gonna buy a P.. and now here I am waiting it out because I love that sight block idea and how the irons are located as well. I NEEEEEED THAT DAMN GUN TO COME OUT PLEASE! AND I NEED ALL OF YOU THAT ARE ALSO WAITING… TO STAY BACK UNTIL I PURCHASE THE GUN😂 PLEASE!
Alright, we’ll give you a 25 second head start 😉
Because of this "gun" video...I just called and made an appointment to get my teeth cleaned..
What can I say...but Mission Accomplished?!!😉
Most exciting part of Staccato's newest series is Mec Gar making glock style mags. I agree with your thinking on plastic with metal mag release, but I have a stealth arms platypus and its metal mag catch isn't damaging my polymer mags over 1 thousand plus rounds. Rumor is the Mec Gars are to retail around $20 which is cheaper than glock OEM mags be well sir!
That would be phenomenol!!
Great Video!! I had the same issue with the safety as well.
Yeah, it's a legit concern!! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
For the Uplula, you can take a little Dremmel and shave it so it will take double stack magazines. Very easy to do.
Hilton Yam addressed how Staccato is getting around the metal catch killing the plastic mag.
Dr tactical, were you able to get a version of the Wilson combat EDC x9 V2 with the compensator to shoot and review?
The "Smart Carry" holster may be comfortable, but it has several major compromises when compared to a custom kydex holster. Personal Safety is compromised because the gun is loose vs being well secured in a hard kydex shell. Draw speed is slower because the gun will be loose and the grab motion will experience more movement vs a hard Kydex holster. Concealment is compromised because the grip will stick way further out and print on shirts far more vs a kydex holster with a wedge and a claw. In fact, it is possible to greatly reduce printing for even full size handguns if you use that kydex setup. The grip safety concerns are valid because the HD does not have a trigger safety, but if you are appendix carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, you are already taking a leap of faith because without a firing pin safety, you are depending on the seer to not wear down or fail and drop the fully cocked hammer. The seer does have a second stop point at about quarter cock, but an independent firing pin safety (model 80 style) is definitely a personal safety improvement.
The only disagreement I have with your comment is that I have found the Smart Carry holster to be one of the best concealment holsters available...especially for individuals like myself who must have their shirt tucked in. There really isn't that much movement and because it is located below the belt line, the pants actually cause the gun to tuck in nicely with close to no printing (unless you get crazy with gun selection). Unfortunately, with everything there is a trade-off; with great concealment comes, as you pointed out, less than ideal access and a compromised, but doable draw.
Personally, I find the Smart Carry to be an excellent choice if you're priority is deep concealment...but I definitely do not recommend it for Condition 1 carrying!!
@ GREAT FEEDBACK!
There are a few videos from staccato breaking down the fact that the aluminum mag catch doesnt wear glock mags or plastic mags period . they explained they used a aluminum cause its softer and the edges are rounded . they said it was extensively tested cause it was a issue they noticed early on .
Thank you so much, I really appreciate the information. Now, I guess I have nothing to whine about😉
As someone who runs iron sights, I totally see the benefit for a fixed front sight as iron shooters track the front sight and if it isn’t reciprocal, it’s easier to track. BUT the HD line isn’t made for iron shooters as the rear sight is fixed forward to run the optic behind it. Am I missing something here? Is there a benefit of a fixed front sight block for optic shooters? Apart from possible recoil reduction?
You nailed it, less mass reciprocating resulting in less recoil.😎
@@DrTacMakes sense, but it would be an additional benefit for those who run irons. Kinda wish they would have made an option there. Funny how everyone wanted to dump the older staccatos after that guy made a RUclips video dropping his XC perfectly on the muzzle at a 90 degree angle with enough inertia for the firing pin to engage the round. Is it possible in a realistic scenario? Sure. But VERY unlikely. It wasn’t an issue for the series 70 in WW1, WW2, Korean War or Vietnam… not to mention the military/LE/SWAT utilize AR’s/SBR’s for decades all the way up to today, and they technically have the exact same “drop safe issue”. I may pick up the Hd 4.5 but the CS/C will still be carried. I never saw a single officer in my entire LE career drop their handgun, but I’ve seen videos where it happened and the firearm always fell on its side, which wouldn’t be a drop safe issue. Love your review as usual, thanks for another solid video!
@@fearnonebutone4977 Thank you for your kind words and I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
@@fearnonebutone4977 I think you are right!!!!! Also, Staccato did say they are likely to make a rear plate with a rear iron sight in the back (then unpin the existing rear sight)......and if they don't, someone will.
@@practicepractice2329I hope so. I emailed them and they indicated that although the existing rear sight is pinned using a roll pin, that it isn’t designed for removal and didn’t have current plans for a rear sight with a traditional rear. But like you said, someone will and it looks like that roll pin can be punched out. I love MecGar mags and would love the 4.5.
I’m also a huge Staccato fan and own 4 of their pistols. But, the Jacob Grey Hex has caught my eye. You should do a review.😁
I do have access to some Jacob Gray guns, so I probably will do a review. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I’m waiting for the flat trigger and aluminum frame HD 4” then maybe I will be interested. Did they say if they were going to keep the CS/C line now that they have the HD? I see an HD C/S for 2026
Yeah, I’d like to see a flat trigger too. I think the CS is safe, but the C may be on its way out…just my opinion.
The whole attraction to 1911 or 2011 is the light single action trigger. Thats why a grip safety needs to be in place for a conceal carry 1911 or 2011. If the trigger isn't light may as well carry a lighter, more snag free striker with a 5.5# trigger.
I don’t find Staccato’s grip safety being a problem as I have a XC and P and both grip safeties only take maybe a millimeter or less to activate. I compete in Idpa and have never had a problem activating the grip safety on either of my staccatos. Just my opinion though.
I'm with you...but, that's just me as a range and competition shooter...I can see in a self defense situation, where you are in a physical altercation while attempting to draw and shoot, having difficulty obtaining an ideal grip position.
Someone get this guy a Phylster Holster quick. That dang sack thing is hilarious 😂😂
LOL, don't know how I feel about that "leg leash" 😉
@ I'm black so it works fine 😂😂 you might wanna try your belt
@@DrTacrather than a leg leash you can use a waistband clip just fine.
The Enigma has been great for my needs. No leg leash or belt clip needed once I got it dialed in against my dad bod.
I have a B&T APC9 Pro that RUclipsrs complain about the safety on. I’ve been carrying an S&W Equalizer that also has a firm thumb safety. I actually consider them positives - that they’re as stiff and clicky as they are, I don’t think they’ll ever accidentally deactivate while carrying. There’s no holster for the APC9 Pro, so it’s carried in a bag. Needless to say, I won’t be modifying the safety on it (as some do) to smooth it out.
Staccato said that the magazine catch was redesigned to prevent wear on the Glock plastic magazines .
That is great news. Where did you come across this information?
@@DrTac per the CEO in podcasts. Check the iron sights podcasts.
Liking the new Staccato releases HD4 and HD4.5. I think the smart carry a great option for CC and it’s unfortunate that it’s probably not a good fit with these. Prime example as to why I enjoy this channel!! Quality content and a very dedicated creator!!
I'm so glad you enjoy the content. I'm happy to be here for you😎.
No, it’s designed for a 45 not a 9 or a 38 super. It was altered to fit 9/38s
Yeah, that wasn’t really the point. The issue, especially when contemplating for conceal carry purposes or for those with smaller hands, is that the magazines Staccato utilized for XC, P, C2, etc. (except for the new C, CS, and HD models) were excessively large because they were designed to accommodate.38 Super.
I think you said it right - the Smart Carry sucks and shouldn’t be used.
If the grip safety gives you issues, you need to learn how to grip the handgun.
Yeah, that's kinda easy to say when you shoot in a range environment...but running and gunning, or drawing and shooting from a headlock may complicate the matter for you.😎
@@practicepractice2329 I'm not following you. What is the cliche?
@@DrTacI do run around and shoot. Shoot moving, standing, prone, kneeling. With my 2011s, I have never had the grip safety impede me. Maybe you need to learn basics first.
If you are in a headlock, you f’d up on others things besides grip lol.
Amateurs trying to offer advice is hilarious.
Back to the p30 doc!
Were you shaking so badly because you were nervous shooting in front of people? Watching the video...the gun was seemingly hard for you to handle.
Lol, the gun handled great…I, on the other hand was gripping way too tightly…something I clearly have to work on😎
Dr T!! You’ve got to check your safety throughout the day if you’re going to carry single action
That’s another reason a SmartCarry is a poor holster choice for cocked and locked; you’ll have to have your hands down your pants all day long…while it’s a great holster choice for concealment, you pay for that with poor accessibility.
You’ve never carried a Glock I guess
Only for 4 years...I carried a G27, a G23, and a G19😎
@ they don’t have safeties either.
QVO tactical gave an estimate of 1k rounds for a traditional Glock mag in terms of wear take that for what is worth
So, I’m guessing they’re referring to the spring tension, not the integrity of the locking notch, but that is interesting information, because 1000 rounds of a 17 round magazine is around 59 magazine changes, and my guess is that the polymer will most likely be able to easily handle that.
@ you would have to watch it but I thought they were referring to the locking notch wearing on the plastic outer shell of the Glock mag. I also think it should be mentioned that the Glock mag has an inner metal housing which I didn’t know. Now that may be common knowledge but no one ever talks about that in reference to the Glock mag but it stands to reason why they are so durable. Maybe you will do a 1k round test with the Glock mag and the P4/4.5
seriously? let's wait for some high round counts on Glock OEM mags to see what happens before calling for torches. Glock OEM mags are cheap. MecGar mags are cheaper and hold one more round. I haven't had any issues with Glock mags for 30 years and have had aluminum extended mag releases in some guns. My kid's platypus hasn't had any issues with Glock mags in the past year and thousands and thousands of rounds.
LOL, seriously? You thought this review was calling for torches? It was basically a glowing rave review…but how dare it raise one question about Staccato😂? Damn, Fan-Boyz gonna hate! …of course the funny thing is, I’m a Fan-Boy😎
Doctor Tactical was shaking like a leaf at the range.
Yeah, I tend to grip way too tightly...but in my defense, there was some seriously wind out there in the desert, that day.
Just messing Doc😂@@DrTac
that thing is too big for thunderwear man.
I agree…oh, wait, you’re talking about the gun🤣
If you had taken the time to ask this question to someone at Staccato, you would have gotten your answer. The mag release is a rounded, aluminum piece that DOES NOT eat up POLYMER (not “plastic”) mags. They were tested extensively and this is a non issue with the HD line.
I find it interesting that you assume I hadn’t taken the time to ask this question…I did and I was told that while Glock mags would work, the new MecGar mags, which are metal Glock-style magazines, would be the preferred carry use. Secondly, while it is the case that all PLASTICS are POLYMERS, although not all POLYMERS are PLASTICS…but just for your edification the polymer frames of Glock magazines (which includes the part that Staccato’s metallic mag catch engages) are made of plastic. The plastic is a high-strength nylon-based polymer called Polymer 2, which, just to be clear, both chemically and molecularly speaking, is, in fact, a PLASTIC.
I detest the grip safety... I have liquidated my guns that had it.
Good!
You're clearly not alone!! I totally get it.
The Staccato HD4.5 is a better design then the 2011 which is an obsolete design for EDC and Duty. The lack of a grip safety, its firing pin block, glock magazine, and external extractor are all good design picks........cool gun but too expensive.
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