Thank YOU for your amazing work, too! I am too thrilled to see you and Alisa, my two favorite female apologists, conversing. You both inspire me so much to delve into hermeneutics and church history and my library is growing with these book suggestions. May your ministries be blessed to reach even more people (and to wake them up!)
Alisa mentioned she was headed somewhere to teach sound doctrine not long ago, I wonder if you both could speak on that and on making disciples, solid good teaching which is needed and is lacking in some of the church, and how the mind may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
@Cage Stage Calvinist God providentially hardens the heart of individuals determined to reject the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 does say that God is not willing that any should perish. But God also will not force Himself onto anyone. Humans are free moral agents.
Hosea 4 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
@ladylenett you are absolutely right about this. This is why we need to get the whole scope of God's word preached to us. It's what we should hunger for. Amen and God bless you.
Melissa and Alisa has really opened my eyes to how Lukewarm Christian I am. I need to make time to examine my thoughts from Tolerance vs. True Love, and Really not being a Friend of this world. And to really study my Bible. There is no escaping the Book.
Another one I hear is "God works in mysterious way..." I hear them all the time. And I'm like, "He's not that mysterious that he'll break his own word."🤦🏽♀️
My Catholic relatives have all kinds of those sayings. When I say, "Did you know that's actually not in the bible?" They look at me with ENORMOUS shock. They're Roman Catholic and growing up, the baby bible was a sacred shrine on the coffee table, not to be disturbed. It seemed the bigger & fancier the bible, the better the Catholic.
"He is not that mysterious that he would break his own word" mannnnnn I wish I could love this comment, but since I can't, im gonna say...I LOVE THIS COMMENT
I called sin, sin in a church the I was in for a very long time. I was told that I was wrong, that I was causing division. I was told that I needed to get on board with them, get in unity. I left. It has been very difficult. I have been falsely accused and made out to be the bad guy, because I choose to follow the Word of God. I choose Jesus.
Same thing happened to me, and the pastor even called my husband of 25 years to tell him tgat he needed to leave me. 😅 Jesus protected me, and gave me the strength to walk away from what I know is false. I am happy to say we've been married for 31 years, now. Jesus will never leave or forsake you; you take Jesus with you, and trust Him to lead you to the place you are supposed to be. God bless you 🙏 ❤
been through this myself...my hubs and myself. heartbreaking having to break off from people you "served God" with for over 20 years. Very thankful to God for bringin us out...even tho it was very painful
Oh my goodness. I fell for some of this new age garbage without realizing it. I owned a fitness franchise for 2 years and this type of new age talk "speak success into existence " was rampant. I thought it was just super positivity. God started stirring my heart summer 2019 and I closed my business and refocused my priorities on God and the roles he's given me. He's so gracious!
Praise God! When you said God was stirring your heart he gave me this verse. romans 8:14 kjv "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
Seems like a form of Taoism, which kind of disintegrates when you bring up an unfavorable situation then affirmation, 'non-disagreementism' and non-resistance just breaks down.
You’re wrong. That’s not at all what “new age” love is about. It’s about loving God and loving thy neighbor exactly as God has loved you. Same as Christian views..
A friend told me of her religious upbringing. Her parents were into a syncretistic all religions are a way to God group. One odd thing struck them - although the leaders often spoke of Jesus, the bookstore sold no books about Jesus, or Bibles. When her family were converted to Christianity, they realized why this was. You can't know the teachings of Jesus and believe what that group was teaching.
I love the fact that you ladies have both searched and found the truth in scripture. It's not easy to leave a movement where all of your friends belong, but God wants us to question all we're taught with boldness and measure it against his word.
I can relate with Melissa’s story about the Jehovah’s Witnesses she met. I recently become coworkers with a Mormon. The differences between our beliefs caused me to look more closely into my own reasoning and convictions. Totally deepened my faith and caused me to hold even tighter to the true word of God. Don’t be afraid to ask yourself hard questions and find the answers in scripture!
The Bible isn’t sexist. The Bible teaches men are supposed to be leaders. This doesn’t mean women are lesser than men. I’m learning from these women, but I’m sure they are led by their husbands
@Kyle Isaacson Language was different back then. Men could sell themselves to other men if they were poor, and contractually worked for another man for six years and then leave the seventh year. This is not slavery. As for the women, her father could give her to a man in marriage for exchange of a payment. The payment was for the good of the woman to ensure she was well taken care of. For if the husband did not treat his wife right she could divorce him and go back to her family as well as keep the payment.
@Kyle Isaacson you speak as if submissive is a bad term. Christians submit themselves to God. Women submit themselves to their husband in exchange for protection and being provided for. What is the ideal relationship to you? Men providing protection and money while the wife is still the leader and dominant one. What does the man get in this relationship? In any relationship you have to sacrifice something in exchange for something else. You can’t have everything go your way.
@Kyle Isaacson I googled submissive definition. One is conforming to another will. In other words putting their partners want before their own. This definition doesn’t imply they are unequal. But let’s go there. Men and women aren’t equal in the finer details. Men do have more strength than women. This is why women don’t compete with men in sports like boxing. Women are better off with a strong man protecting them. But this doesn’t mean unequal because we can look at it the other way. Women are softer and more gentle which makes them better with children in some sense. But generally I say men and women are equal. God doesn’t love me more than these women. Men and women have the same intellectual capabilities. But we have different quirks that make us different. I agree a partnership is better working together. This means allowing your partner to have control over areas they are better at.
I've just realized that I was in this thought of the law of attraction. I've seen a lot of videos, "sermons" about this. I was taught that if I speak, constantly I will receive it. And I've done that a lot, in that time I was like "oh, I'm not receiving because I don't have faith." Wow, thank you so much for this video.
I believed a lot of that junk as well...was in ministry for over 20 years in this kind of "christianty" it took me to a nervous breakdown and attempted suicide...it is demonic teaching. So thankful the Lord got me out of this and now I realize, I am not in control AT ALL...but God is and I trust Him.
Sad truth is most are teaching such things! Even more sad, most professing Christians still don't care because their feelings and opinions are more important that God's Holy Bible! So awesome to see you two together for a video!
@Kyle Isaacson The Bible doesn't condone slavery, sexism and genocide. It is disturbing that people try to create a god that is in their own image, a god that agrees with everything that they agree with. God is a holy and righteous and can not tolerate sin. You may say that God committed atrocities, he has the right to set up rules and the punishment for breaking those rules. You advocate consequence free living.
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It was a full time job trying to come to my “true self” when I was in the New Thought. I felt that if I wasn’t coming into my true self then, I couldn’t please God. It was a never ending cycle of highs and lows that were completely unsustainable. I was taught that if I was saved I would no longer have sinful thoughts or act in sin ever again once you accept Christ. So when I would sin I would be so frustrated and did not realize that my salvation is sealed and not dependent upon me but upon the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. Also was told I had to do miracles as evidence that I was saved and knew I couldn’t do them so again I thought I probably wasn’t saved. Experiences were allegedly signs that the Holy Spirit was in your life and that you were saved and if you were not manifesting then you probably weren’t saved. Such a mess. I Thank God for bringing me out, calling me to repentance and belief. For the first time I was taught from some Christian friends how to read scripture in context instead of reading it based upon what it means to me. Thank you for what you both are doing! People need to know that new age Christianity exists and they may even be a new age Christian and have now idea. This is exactly what the public needs to hear. So good. Such truth. God bless!!
Discovery if true self sounds like a horribly deceitful and disenchanting experience. Humility is completely lost in all of that. Glad you were rescued from that false doctrine.
Thank you for talking about The Shack. When the book and movie came out I refused to read or watch it and my friends thought I was insane. I couldn’t, at the time, put into words what was wrong but I knew it was wrong (if that makes sense).
@@phantom1951 I don’t know what it was but I just couldn’t read or watch it... you can mock it if you want. People often mock what they don’t understand.
When I was in high school I was a very avid reader and would get through 1-3 books a week. I physically had a hard time getting myself to read The Shack. It didn't make any sense to me because every one of my Christian friends spoke so highly about it, but I couldn't get myself to read more than 15 pages and even those didn't hold my interest. I suspect that the Holy Spirit was protecting me. I've had the same thing happen a few time before with other books before where I didn't understand the danger of their content before picking it up. Either that or it's a pleasant coincidence.
I attend an Independent Baptist church...and I find it interesting that it was actually the first place where I found someone who was able to answer all my Bible questions. Independent churches are independent and it's never a good idea to paint them with a broad brush.
I’m in an independent Baptist Church, and I’ve been in some harsh ones, but they aren’t all alike. I love where I’m at. The LORD is exalted, the Bible is preached and taught. I’ve been in other churches too, that were liberal and worldly, and knew nothing about the Bible. I love my King James Bible, as I do believe and am convicted that it is God’s preserved words. I love Melissa and love watching some of her videos, but bothers me when she makes that statement about the Bible. I do love her exposing false teaching, and teachers and cults. I too am a apologist. I love Alisa as well. I love listening to these two women. I am however, throwing out most of teaching, other women produce. Researching them, has opened my eyes a lot. I will listen to women who sticks to the Bible, handles it correctly, rightly divides it. Thank you Alisa for contending for the faith.
Before I was saved the one church I never wanted to be a part of was an independent Baptist church. I kept hearing how they were all dead, and nobody really knew the Lord. Then I got saved, and a year later ended up living with my sister, who was an independent Baptist. I grew like a weed there, challenged by the pastor to prove my beliefs with the Bible. That was 1983. I’ve been in independent Baptist churches ever since, especially because I read Baptist history early on, and learned about the core doctrines of a Scriptural church. And just because someone puts the name Baptist on a church, doesn’t mean they are one (in the Scriptural sense); it just means they claim to obey the Bible, hold to believer’s baptism, eternal security, etc., and expect members to study the scriptures for themselves and pursue sanctification. Favorite Baptist history books: A Trail of Blood (shortest); The Church That Jesus Built (Roy Mason; simplest); The Bible Makes Us Baptists (Mary Bamford; historical fiction, set in the 1550’s; read aloud in homeschool. My son, who was 13-14, loved it. Lots of adventure, blood and guts, as Baptists were hunted and slaughtered for obeying God and conscience. Pretty graphic, parental discretion advised.
It is really problematic when people claim that we can all be Christ. Many people are confused, myself included. I am happy about the education you are doing, I have learned a lot.
This is so troubling, but so important. This is eye opening. The year 2020 has opened my eyes to wanting to learn more and understand what is really going on in Churches. I am shaking on how important this is for us to hear. I’m sharing with my loved ones. Thank you so much.
The most complete definition of that false love is Tolerance. My wife, when asked, defined love like that. Sadly she isn't saved, though she thinks she is. 23:00 You really nail it Melissa. She thinks conflict is bad, confrontation, She actually labels rebuke as hate. It makes me so sad. She also gets the judging thing wrong too.
Im not good with words and am still learning. So I found this prayer online that I thought would represent my sentiments. Let Their Ears be Receptive Prayer Lord in heaven, I bring my friends before you. Deliver them from the captivity of the devil. Let their ears be receptive of your word. Let your word, which is an inspiration from you, make them realize what is wrong in their lives, correct them when they are wrong, and teach them to do what is right. Forgive them their sins and cleanse them with the mighty blood of your son, Jesus. Be their savior. Amen.
@angela Anderson yes, it’s almost as if people want to be God, and they like feeling that they have His power. When they release angels, I wonder why they are doing so instead of God.
because it is not biblical at all....I have yet to find it in the Bible and have been studying it for over 35 years. Some people want to think they can control God and tell him what to do and when to send angels...all kinds of nonsense...it makes me sad at the biblical ignorance of the average christian. We have listened to way too many false teachers becaue it is easier than studying it for oursleves.
Oh wow, I had fallen so deeply for this oneness ideology and non-judgemental acceptance of everything, religious pluralism and Christian universalism and I was convinced I was a Christian, that makes it so warped... until Jesus grabbed my heart and changed me. I wouldn't have been able to debunk these lies without the holy spirit. It just sounded so so true. It's warped. I recently came across Keith Green's testimony and I realised it's all been here before, the same old lies are being recycled again and again, there's nothing new under the sun. I really appreciate you Alisa and Melissa.
I’m in a reformed Presbyterian church, and I can identify with this interviewee how women are not at all encouraged to ask theological questions while men are respected and taken seriously. I was so troubled by that.
I grew up in a Reformed Presbyterian church-I miss that community and the psalm sings. It was a gift to memorize the psalms with music as a child. I started questioning the rigid practices of the denomination as a teenager and was met with verses taken out of context and quotes from Calvin. I didn’t understand why they seemed to think of themselves as more spiritual than other denominations that worshipped God with instruments and/or songs outside the Psalms. I left the church my parents still attended, and joined a baptist church, then a charismatic church, then an Evangelical Free church, and then a missional Lutheran church...after all this, I’d go back to the RP church in a heartbeat. I miss the simplicity and no-nonsense Sunday gatherings. I also now realize how most churches, vastly different in practice, do what they do out of tradition and not out of a clear command. As body of believers, we should be able to recognize the clear commands of God from our traditions-including how we corporately worship. I still have my Psalter and I’m teaching my children to sing and worship God with Psalm 23!
@@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242 what kind of church are you at now? And have you looked into Orthodox Presbyterian? I just learned one of the most solid Christian's I know is OPC. I've yet to look into it to see how its different than the PC USA churches.
Blanca Cabanas thanks! I’ll check that out. I’m doing “church” at home with my children right now and it’s been such a blessing. I’ve got a few sisters-in-Christ who I meet with for bible study and prayer. It’s complicated, but I don’t plan to join another congregation, unless it’s a house church. God bless!
@@BlancaLovesJesus the PCUSA is liberal (does not teach that Scripture is inerrant, supports homosexual marriage and ordination of noncelibate homosexual ministers, etc.). The PCA separated from them because of this liberalism. The OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian Church) is a much smaller Pressie denomination than both of these, and is very like the PCA in doctrine (orthodox/Bible is the inerrant source) but generally more traditional in its practices. In a nutshell, you'd probably find contemporary worship styles at a PCA church and piano/hymnals at an OPC church.
If Jesus were to stand beside one of these people in the flesh, His words, "I am the way, the truth and the life. None comes to the Father except through me" will stay the same. Why? "Heaven and Earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away" - Jesus Christ
Excellent! frantically taking notes, stopping & starting video so i can remember everything. my son is into law of attraction. Talking about the shack, i heard it was good so i began to read it and & thought ugh i don't like this so i researched it. i posted about my research on FB & family [pentecostal christians] were sooo angry [it;s ONLY a book they said] they unfriended me! so sad. thank you two for your work & helping us to be informed. Keep up the good work & i will keep ya'll in prayer.
If bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bump their rearends! I don't get the relevance of your statement/question, I guess my response will be just as irrelevant and that is not everybody goes to heaven, In fact very smalle percentage ever make it.........😑
First of all, heaven is perfect, so those in heaven, whether "all" or not, they would be perfected and there would no longer be the negative aspects of life. So, no, it would not be like the present Earth.
I too have heard the “don’t put God in a box.” Basically, people who say that really prove one thing, they don’t know the Scriptures and they usually base whatever they do know about God on how they feel rather than what God has revealed Himself to be. This is why the church must come back to Sola Scriptura. Too much wishy washy Jesus is who I think He is going on.
@@barbarajohnston6046 sola scriptura means scripture alone and it’s a latin word. it also means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true.
EXCELLENT!!!!! I literally was trying to explain this to someone in my family who is caught up in New Thought and this is an excellent resource I can share. Steven Bancarz book also just came in the mail today, so I was very excited to know I'm headed in the right direction to learn more about this topic.
Listening to this, there is so many things tied to this. This is definitely something that has crept into the church even in how we parent our children. From what I’ve seen “Gentle Parenting” has a lot of this nothing but love and enabling….. focused on nothing but nurture and mental health and almost no discipline in my experience.
My wife is still in the new age mindset, and I don't know how to reach out to her, especially when a lot of new age thinks the Bible is just a book. I am no saint myself and have my own sins, but it is difficult being in a marriage where you want to talk about God and Jesus biblically and that conversation just can't happen. Prayers are definitely welcome for both of us and I'll be looking into what Melissa has to say. Praise God for you both and thank you for speaking truth
Love the cake analogy!! Also, co verily with that, you can't leave certain things out aka baking soda or a leavening agent because it will not turn out. The same is true in Christianity! Thanks for that analogy Melissa!
When I was coming up as a new believer at 19, my church offered me no help, no understanding no guidance, no discipleship. It really shipwrecked my faith.
Stories like this are almost painful to read. Did we forget that Jesus commanded us to make disciples of all men, not just create new converts and leave them to themselves?
Most apostolic/Pentecostals believe this. I used to be in the UPC which is apostolic so I definitely know the term well. They also teach women can’t wear pants, make-up jewelry etc. Very legalistic.
I'd love for one of these women to tackle the issue of "Female Pastors" Biblically I believe men were called and ordained by God to pastor and lead a church. It doesn't make men better or biblically smarter, I just believe it's God's divine order. Btw, great interview! I love Melissa's passion and Alisa's as well!
@boris 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is a good read regarding your question on this, specifically verses 11-14. Also, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. A prophet/prophetess is not the same as a PASTOR, by definition, and a pastor is not the same thing as a PREACHER. Anyone can be used by the Lord as a vessel to prophesy, and anyone can preach the Gospel, but the head of a Church (the PASTOR) is to be male, as referenced by the above scripture.
Regarding "Pastors", I suggest checking out: "www.openbible.info/topics/pastor". Jeremiah 3:15 states the role very concisely "... shepherds ...". Always a good idea to click on the verse, or verses, to help understand the context.
Unity is often a call to compromise. When you see a call to unity you should ask yourself, "Am I being asked to give something up?" And, "Is the one asking for unity willing to give up anything? Or am I the only one compromising in this deal?"
THANKYOU MELISSA AND ALISA! Thankyou for being obedient to Christ and teaching us truth. I grew up in a Reformed church, then Gospel and Pentecostal through my teens years and now Baptist. Having two young girls, God has drawn me to solidify what it is I actually believe. His word has become SO solely valuable to me more than ever. I believe I have seen the misuse of the gifts of the spirit, false spirits and religion without relationship. There are so many topics that you both cover that are expressing in words the discernment I often feel. Thankyou sisters for the research you have done to ground us all in the truth of the Gospel. Bless you both as wives and mothers as well.
Big fan of you both! Once a person understands these malevolent doctrines, they will start seeing them pop up all over the place. Thank you both for educating us all! BTW, Melissa a gifted artist as well.
In Belgium where I live, almost everyone is progressive. I am catholic, but I like how christianity in the US is really a way of living. Congratulations for spreading the Faith!
I had no idea that vibes were part of LOA. I see people posting all the time asking for prayer and/or positive vibes. That has always bothered me. Christians thinking that positive vibes do things and are as powerful as prayer. The vibration lie is so very real.
Thank y'all so much for all this info (in this and your other videos). For a while now I've been feeling uncomfortable with the church we attend and now I know why! Our pastors are more along the lines of WOF/new thought! They are always saying how you can and should just "DECLARE" things in your life and don't speak life to negative things like illness/poverty/ etc. . We will be looking for a new church.
Thank you so much for this insightful interview. Fantastic for me in better understanding what's happened with my estranged 35/38 yr old children who want nothing to do with me in large part due to my Christian stand and Biblical worldview. Wonderful job both of you.
When you were talking about the woman who refers to searching for "the liquid gold" I couldn't help but think about the way I have heard (and fallen into myself) people talk about waiting to feel "peace about it" or waiting for "clarity" when they are trying to identify God's will or make a life decision. A while back my dad shared with me that he thought this was dangerous because he suspected that we are mostly waiting on a feeling rather than actively pursuing God. That concern was convicting to me so I thought I'd share.
This was so eye opening! Thank you. I've been believing that I'm creating my own reality by my thought life. I've believed that for years, and been so frustrated, because it's not possible to have positive thoughts 24/7.
We're in an information war, and one of the weapons the enemy is using is redefining language. "Oneness" with God is a scriptural truth, but now the word is being used to lead people astray. "... but the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him." 1 Cor 6:17 NLT
Yes, just because terminology is misused today, does not make the word now wrong. In fact, in the book Mama Bear Apologetics (which I think these ladies contributed to) calls it "linguistic theft"
I feel that "hustle" culture and "girl boss" culture has really made BIG contributions to New Age running so beyond rampant in the church. My parents are baptist and always have been, but my mother over time got caught up in this "girl boss" culture, and began believing in manifestation, and positivity, and things you discuss in this video. They disguise this New Age teaching under verbiage and Christian jargon, and it's literally the snake from the garden. It's literally Adam and Eve in the garden all over again, 2000 years later, using the SAME tricks ya'll. Be vigilant and stand firm!!!
I had that exact kind of experience, waking up the day after I decided to let God's Word SPEAK, and everything was light and different than ever before.
Thank you x 100 for this interview and for marching forward with the truth of scripture. I have been so confused recently about scripture scripture the church and you have opened my eyes to the reasons why. I sensed these things but didnt know how to voice them. I am so excited after hearing this to take up my Bible and search the scriptures (not my feelings) for truth and hope. God bless yal.
I learned so much today! You helped me get clear understanding of some things I was never clear about. How I wish this conversation would have continued another hour!
I listened to those teachings for years in the church but thank God that I’m free of it now. God bless you Alisa and Melissa for putting these conversations and teachings out there.
"God has a box called the Bible." Amen! People who say you shouldn't "put God in a box" almost always have a pantheistic view of God, which is that "God is everything." That comes from Hinduism, not biblical Christianity.
Thank you for this talk . I need it desperately for discernment in my own church and my brother who totally engulfed in it. Please keep up your good services, people everywhere especially in Canada. ❤❤❤😢
Wonderful insight. A great presenter. She directs her question and when you digress she redirects you to the issue at hand. And also she is confident, patient and really knows her stuff. She puts Richard Rohr in his place and he has no place to go if he listens to you.
We don’t know the majority of Christians only God does. We are called to learn the word and proclaim the Gospel, it’s God’s will for us to build one another up in the word of our faith. A sin not to. Colossians 3:16 Ephesians 4:15 James 4:17
Matthew 7:24-25...Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. (Matthew 7:24-25)
I got a question from someone who I met as a missionary and he was a missionary claimed Christian. We got into talking about who is Jesus. He doesn't believe that Jesus is God. I went on to ask 3 other people I know to say they are Christian "Is Jesus God?" They answered no. He is the son of God but not God. Which tells me the answer to your question is no they don't know.
So thankful for true sisters out there. Thank you for sticking to God's Truth! So many need actual healing and are being led down the wrong spiritual path because they allow their needs to lead them instead of the Truth. Hurts when all you need is some friendly compassion and you're told "don't claim that" .
I enjoyed that very much, Thank you! I at 57 found myself being pulled in to this kind of Charismatic circle, but because of my very strict Southern Baptist upbringing questioned what I was hearing. I am glad I started digging deeper!!
Thank you ladies for covering these topics so well and conveying the information in an understandable way. It helps to hear of your backgrounds and how you came to Christ. I think very few of us can say we have never been touched by some form of New Age theology.
Amen we proclaim the Gospel and declare God’s promises to draw near to God not for material things or ways of this world. James 4:8🙌 Romans 12:2 Matthew 6:25-33
I really appreciated this talk. Thank you both! Near the end you spoke about the woman who wrote in her book about sinking lower into "knowing" that she called "liquid gold," I just had to laugh. Why you ask? I've been learning a lot more about gardening and in that context, liquid gold is ... urine. So if I trade that with her analogy, she's sinking deeper and deeper until she reaches urine. Hmmm, I think that puts it into context. You can't rely on feelings/bodily experiences to measure truth with. I just thought I'd add that little thought since I was chuckling away at her idea. I hope you get a bit of a laugh out of it too. And I do hope that the woman who wrote that book you referred to will eventually reach the point of really coming to the Truth. God bless you in your ministry!
I love this ! I went through the same thing you did Melissa when I repented and gave my life to Christ in the beginning back in 1995 but I didn’t have any studying and if I did it was minimal it was a small church they taught the biblical Jesus but I didn’t have support because they just started and very humble small church , cause I wasn’t reading or had someone to support I fell back to the world for 20 yrs , I came back to Christ in 2016 but this church puts focus on discipleship but I think it needs to be tweaked in some of the way we need to approach the great commission they don’t teach new age but there is some stuff that is seen in some people who attend there and this needs to be addressed we need a class that will teach these kind of things we need to learn to see and be discerning, specially now a days ! It’s necessary! I’m glad there is people out there who take the time to care about letting the church know about this , many people you mention it’s watched with a lot of people I know I’m praying the lord gives me wisdom to I can speak truth to them and be equipped!
There is a quote in the bible, ‘stand in awe and do not sin. Sit upon your own bed and commune with your heart, and be still. Selah This may be a good place to start in order to know the Truth.
Thank you so much. We have two daughters wrapped up in this and it just is heartbreaking and they have separated themselves from the family and that is we have a children that is my husband and myself and they have nothing to do with anybody because they are so wrapped up in this theology
This was absolutely wonderful. Question: where should the line be drawn between avoiding the hyper-charismatic nature of "speaking things into existence" and recognizing the power of life and death in the tongue?
The context of the proverb I believe is talking about something separate, it isn’t talking about speaking things into existence it’s talking about the effects our words can have in more personal ways. Good question though.
I concur with Zack here. To say that that verse literally means you can create with words, is taking a very shallow understanding of it, and it’s incorrect. It’s referring to how you effect everyone around you with how you chose to speak. And compelling you to always remember that. Telling a small child everyday how smart they are, will help develop them more towards a curiosity for becoming more intelligent. Just as telling them they are stupid everyday, will discourage them from thinking they could ever be smart, and would mold them into someone who thinks they are inherently stupid. All if that is created in someone’s life simply by what you chose to say to them! Or imagine what it does to someone when you say they are ugly? Or that you hate them? Versus an alternative, of telling someone you appreciate them, and are grateful to know them. Both produce fruits in their lives, fruits that your tongue created.
The power of life and death is in the tongue is about how our words effect other people, negatively or positively. Similarly, the wise woman builds up her home but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands. That's about a woman's speech/ actions and the effect it has on her family. Not that she has the power to build up her own life in a Godly way outside of God. Only God can speak things into existence. We have no power outside of Him. If we need something we are to humbly seek His face and pray for His will. Which of course, he can say no. We can't manifest anything ourselves if we follow Christ. Even Christ didn't seek His own will. He was God and didn't consider Himself to be equal to God.
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I am so thankful to the two of you for this discussion! In fact, I will listen to it again. "Scriptures suffice & Jesus IS enough". This sums it up. As a believer that has been influenced by both Calvinism - detoured through the charismatic 'word of faith' - and Arminianism; the gospel of grace and truth is beautiful to behold.
That is an amazing talk! I am sharing this with family and friends. I never realized how true it is that Satan is a wolf in sheep's clothing! I believed it but I didn't know how that looked...I see now. I thought I was just "old fashioned" in Christianity and for that reason I couldn't understand or connect with how modern Christianity talks and behaves. Keep up teaching the truth! 😊
Thank you Alisa and Melissa - I'm listening/watching a lot of your videos. They are super informative. I have a great passion for apologetics and these are extremely helpful and educational. Alisa, on Melissa's recommendation I just bought your book 'Another Gospel.' Hoping it arrives tomorrow! Thank you ladies for your ministries.
Jesus DID die for everyone, but individualists must choose to accept that sacrifice for themselves AND if they do not make that choice, there is no salvation for them.
Im at that exact point of searching and accepting the bible over what i was taught. I spend hours on you tube and internet and in my study bible. Its like an obsession right now. A bit overwhelming. Thanks so much for sharing and thank you for your channel as well.
Every time I hear Melissa give details about her coming out story and history, I hear her give more information about it. And the more and more similarities I hear. It’s always so fruitful. I feel like her story is so similar to mine, but that she’s at least 5+ years ahead of me in her growth. Such a blessing to hear her talk about these things in great detail! She always sheds light on things in ways that really helps me to continue sorting out my past, and further nailing down my understanding of Biblical Christianity. Thank you Alisa for having her on! You two together was a really great video. I love deep dives like this one. ♥️
I grew up in a Word of Faith church that my family attended for ten years starting in 1967. I heard these false doctrines over and over throughout those years, particularly the positive/negative confession stuff. It wasn’t until I read Dave Hunt’s excellent book; The Seduction Of Christianity, in the mid 80’s, that the Holy Spirit began to peel off the layers of false teaching that had built up in my life. That was a process that would take the next two decades for me to arrive at the point where I had learned what should have been a foundational part of my Christian walk, but wasn’t. I had always been taught that the pattern for a Christian is that we must belong to a church and come under the authority of the Elders and the Pastor, whom God has ordained as the dispensers of Truth and how dangerous it is for us to just rely on prayerfully reading the scriptures when seeking what the Lord has to teach us, so this text was an eye-opener. Especially when I read it in the context of the chapter, and then the whole book. (Which is how we should read the scriptures, rather than just isolated verses) I was led to the teachings of Jesus to the disciples on the night of the Last supper, about the ministry of the Holy Spirit, found in John’s Gospel, from chapter 14 through 17. These are two texts within that section of John’s Gospel that are staggering to contemplate if you think about what Jesus is promising here. I’ve capitalised the words that stand out to me:- John 14:26 - KJV 26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 16:12-15 - KJV 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. I don’t know how many times I had read these words and never really seen what Jesus was saying and when I did have my eyes opened, it took my breath away! The Spirit led me to something in 1 John that I had read a time or two, but hadn’t really SEEN until the Holy Spirit highlighted it for me in the context I mentioned above. It directly addresses the issue of recognising false teachers:- 1 John 2:26-27 26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Then I saw what Paul had written to Timothy:- 2 Timothy 3:14-17 - KJV 14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. This is also in the context of dealing with false teachers and false doctrines and as I read these words slowly, I was again stunned at what they actually say. In fact, the whole of the New Testament deals with this issue of false doctrines in one way or another. I remember a Sunday School song we used to sing that says; ‘Read your Bible and pray every day and you’ll grow, grow, grow.’ Pretty basic and perhaps a little trite sounding, but as it turns out, absolutely true, if we remember to pray before we open our Bible and ask the Lord to teach us what He wants us to know and learn. It took me forty years to learn that simple lesson, but I praise God for the experience, because I have learned much that I find useful in these days of people coming out of false teaching and spiritual abuse. One thing I learned is that this whole process can take quite a while and that there is pain involved, on many levels, but the Lord is faithful and it is well worth the price to know the Truth and be free.
I am coming out of years of being heavily into New Age and one of the things they push as well is that there is no sin. We are not sinful by nature, it's just our "Ego" being judgmental and critical. That the real evil or Devil is us, as our Ego. And what is their answer to this? Oh, just love yourself, forgive yourself because existence is only perception or a projection. Those were concepts, in spite of truly believing in Christ (but as a Teacher/Logos) as a real man, that I was never able to really reconcile. After leaving a Megachurch where it was all about being entertained and motivated every week, rather than learning any scripture (aside from those short, nice verses I'd easily find on any spiritual Facebook page or bumper sticker) or anything about Christ and His teachings, I saw just how much the church was blending all of these New Age ideas and I was deeply disturbed and troubled. Sadly, I have not found a reformed or sound church but I do watch sermons via RUclips and feel like I'm finally growing. Thanks to both of you ladies Ministries too! I can't thank you enough and I wish more of these women's conferences that go on in these churches had women like you. I went to so many of those too and they never felt right to me. People like Jen Hatmaker so involved. Both of you need your voices and insight heard instead! It's amazing to find so many others like myself leaving behind these churches and teachings and New Age as a whole. I think people are beginning to question alot and God is doing a good work. Again, thank you ladies!
you are correct...it is getting more difficult to find a church that DOES NOT teach this new age junk now. Glad you go out of it! I was in it forover 25 years and it almost destroyed me in every way possible. Thankful to Jesus Christ for getting me out of it. Now I only trust God and His Word. We as believers need to know our Bibles so that we can reject all these false teachings. Take care
Thank you both for discussing these important issues. I started in the AoG over 30 years ago, and much of these false teachings were alive back then too. More open, accepted and pervasive today, but much the same old lies. God bless you!
Alisa, thank you very much for not lumping all Charismatics together. I’m old enough to be your grandmother, was saved in mid 70’s received the baptism of the spirit (biblically illiterate Catholic girl) and God saved my husband and me and our lives through the Charismatic Movement. We have served the Lord all these decades. We never got caught up in the craziness. We have 4 adult professional children, all serving the Lord as well. And we have many, many friends just like us. Lawyers, nurses, CEOs, teachers. This hyper-sensationalism is how the enemy derails ppl, just as he sidetracks evangelicals into religious and cerebral ONLY side alleys. I wish more people like yourself would do more investigating before they attempt to “rightly” judge all charismatics. As derailed as the NAR movement is, there are some legitimate reasons why it is growing at such a phenomenal rate. God bless you both! BTW: I was headed right into the New Age Movement myself at the time God put out His hand and saved me. I had just lost my Mom, at the age of 25 and without any solid ground under me, was extremely vulnerable, as are so many of these dear people caught up in this snare. The devil is merciless but he’s no match for the “friend of the sinner.”
Ladies, I cannot thank you enough for defining these blurry lines. Praise God through His son Yeshua!!! I am a Messianic Jew and so grateful for your accurate exposition of these false teachings!!!!
I wrote a short essay on the heresies that The Shack promotes. Of course I received criticism for it and was accused of writing it in what people call a “wrong spirit” or being divisive. My response to that was any person who writes a book with characters in that book representing the God of the Bible and deliberately misrepresents the God of the Bible will receive criticism, fiction or not you have unsuspecting Christians who do not know theology well (not sure why) who will believe anything and everything about God and Jesus whether it comes from the Bible or not, sadly.
i didn't read the book but saw part of the movie and was appalled that the writer and movie ppl made out that The Lord made himself to be a woman in order to appease the man...The Lord would never do that He comes to us as He is He wouldn't change Himself in order for us to feel better or be more comfterable
Fantastic work ladies, it is not uncommon to see any of this in any given church, I was almost sucked into something like this and thank God! That the good Lord gave me the wits to see through it all.
Yes yes yes!!! That’s what happened to me when I was learning about the Hebrew roots movement! And I didn’t also realize that I was in new age stuff prior!! My eyes were opened!
It was an honor to be on your channel, Alisa. Glory to God ☺️ Praise God for your ministry work.
Thank YOU for your amazing work, too! I am too thrilled to see you and Alisa, my two favorite female apologists, conversing. You both inspire me so much to delve into hermeneutics and church history and my library is growing with these book suggestions. May your ministries be blessed to reach even more people (and to wake them up!)
Thank you for sharing your testimony 🙏 loved it.
Alisa mentioned she was headed somewhere to teach sound doctrine not long ago, I wonder if you both could speak on that and on making disciples, solid good teaching which is needed and is lacking in some of the church, and how the mind may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the two of you together. Thank you both for your work!
@Cage Stage Calvinist God providentially hardens the heart of individuals determined to reject the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 does say that God is not willing that any should perish. But God also will not force Himself onto anyone. Humans are free moral agents.
Discernment is lacking in the church today. Something we should all be praying for.
Hosea 4
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
@ladylenett you are absolutely right about this. This is why we need to get the whole scope of God's word preached to us. It's what we should hunger for. Amen and God bless you.
Amen brother. It’s so true and yet so sad. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
But yet they're all prophets
Exactly.
Melissa and Alisa has really opened my eyes to how Lukewarm Christian I am. I need to make time to examine my thoughts from Tolerance vs. True Love, and Really not being a Friend of this world. And to really study my Bible. There is no escaping the Book.
holy. GOD, go deeper! The WORD will show you the way.
Stay in His Word
He’s watching you….
Seriously though, I hope your journey is going well.
@@ryqabvn God is watching from a distance with His Love. HIS HAS RISING.
Now that you can see all of that, you will be held at a higher standard by God. Keep raising the bar to stay in favor.
Another one I hear is "God works in mysterious way..." I hear them all the time. And I'm like, "He's not that mysterious that he'll break his own word."🤦🏽♀️
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Amen.
Amen exactly
My Catholic relatives have all kinds of those sayings. When I say, "Did you know that's actually not in the bible?" They look at me with ENORMOUS shock. They're Roman Catholic and growing up, the baby bible was a sacred shrine on the coffee table, not to be disturbed. It seemed the bigger & fancier the bible, the better the Catholic.
"He is not that mysterious that he would break his own word" mannnnnn I wish I could love this comment, but since I can't, im gonna say...I LOVE THIS COMMENT
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I called sin, sin in a church the I was in for a very long time. I was told that I was wrong, that I was causing division. I was told that I needed to get on board with them, get in unity. I left. It has been very difficult. I have been falsely accused and made out to be the bad guy, because I choose to follow the Word of God. I choose Jesus.
Glad you stood up for God's Truth.
Same thing happened to me, and the pastor even called my husband of 25 years to tell him tgat he needed to leave me. 😅 Jesus protected me, and gave me the strength to walk away from what I know is false. I am happy to say we've been married for 31 years, now. Jesus will never leave or forsake you; you take Jesus with you, and trust Him to lead you to the place you are supposed to be. God bless you 🙏 ❤
I hope you continue to do so!
@@Jes356 I hope all's well with you both, and you stay devoted to each other and more so to Jesus!
been through this myself...my hubs and myself. heartbreaking having to break off from people you "served God" with for over 20 years. Very thankful to God for bringin us out...even tho it was very painful
Oh my goodness. I fell for some of this new age garbage without realizing it. I owned a fitness franchise for 2 years and this type of new age talk "speak success into existence " was rampant. I thought it was just super positivity. God started stirring my heart summer 2019 and I closed my business and refocused my priorities on God and the roles he's given me. He's so gracious!
Very rampant and common in the Black Charismatic churches as well as Hillsong, Bethel Redding and Elevation Church.
Me too. Crazy how easy it is, huh? Thank God for discernment and people who pull back the curtain of deceit.
Praise God! It encourages me to hear of others walking away from that new age junk.
@@ahhitskatie9094 Yeah us vs them mentality! They're bad, you're good!
Praise God! When you said God was stirring your heart he gave me this verse. romans 8:14 kjv "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
As I was listening it occurred to me that perhaps these beliefs of "Oneness", "Universalism" and "Plurism" are leading towards a "One world order."
I had this thought too! I think its already in motion
Agreed
Definitely
Yes, the One World Order can only exist through "oneness".
Chrislam and the Pope. It's here.
New Age "love" is basically always affirming and never disagreeing with anyone and if you do youre just a "hater"
Seems like a form of Taoism, which kind of disintegrates when you bring up an unfavorable situation then affirmation, 'non-disagreementism' and non-resistance just breaks down.
Amen. No doubt
You’re wrong. That’s not at all what “new age” love is about. It’s about loving God and loving thy neighbor exactly as God has loved you. Same as Christian views..
@@iROLL24 what's you all stance on homosexuality??
@@iROLL24 SEE!!?? You all serve ANOTHER Jesus
A friend told me of her religious upbringing. Her parents were into a syncretistic all religions are a way to God group. One odd thing struck them - although the leaders often spoke of Jesus, the bookstore sold no books about Jesus, or Bibles. When her family were converted to Christianity, they realized why this was. You can't know the teachings of Jesus and believe what that group was teaching.
I love the fact that you ladies have both searched and found the truth in scripture. It's not easy to leave a movement where all of your friends belong, but God wants us to question all we're taught with boldness and measure it against his word.
I can relate with Melissa’s story about the Jehovah’s Witnesses she met. I recently become coworkers with a Mormon. The differences between our beliefs caused me to look more closely into my own reasoning and convictions. Totally deepened my faith and caused me to hold even tighter to the true word of God. Don’t be afraid to ask yourself hard questions and find the answers in scripture!
Amen! 👏👏. Christ is ALL for the Truth - HIM and HE crucified . God bless you
Apparently, you forgot to use the spirit when reading scripture.
Alisa, thank you for what you're doing. It's been so hard for me as a Christ follower to find Biblically sound female teachers.
@Kyle Isaacson No, the bible teaches that a woman has different abilities than a man. HUGE difference.
The Bible isn’t sexist. The Bible teaches men are supposed to be leaders. This doesn’t mean women are lesser than men. I’m learning from these women, but I’m sure they are led by their husbands
@Kyle Isaacson Language was different back then. Men could sell themselves to other men if they were poor, and contractually worked for another man for six years and then leave the seventh year. This is not slavery. As for the women, her father could give her to a man in marriage for exchange of a payment. The payment was for the good of the woman to ensure she was well taken care of. For if the husband did not treat his wife right she could divorce him and go back to her family as well as keep the payment.
@Kyle Isaacson you speak as if submissive is a bad term. Christians submit themselves to God. Women submit themselves to their husband in exchange for protection and being provided for. What is the ideal relationship to you? Men providing protection and money while the wife is still the leader and dominant one. What does the man get in this relationship? In any relationship you have to sacrifice something in exchange for something else. You can’t have everything go your way.
@Kyle Isaacson I googled submissive definition. One is conforming to another will. In other words putting their partners want before their own. This definition doesn’t imply they are unequal. But let’s go there. Men and women aren’t equal in the finer details. Men do have more strength than women. This is why women don’t compete with men in sports like boxing. Women are better off with a strong man protecting them. But this doesn’t mean unequal because we can look at it the other way. Women are softer and more gentle which makes them better with children in some sense. But generally I say men and women are equal. God doesn’t love me more than these women. Men and women have the same intellectual capabilities. But we have different quirks that make us different. I agree a partnership is better working together. This means allowing your partner to have control over areas they are better at.
I've just realized that I was in this thought of the law of attraction. I've seen a lot of videos, "sermons" about this. I was taught that if I speak, constantly I will receive it. And I've done that a lot, in that time I was like "oh, I'm not receiving because I don't have faith." Wow, thank you so much for this video.
I believed a lot of that junk as well...was in ministry for over 20 years in this kind of "christianty" it took me to a nervous breakdown and attempted suicide...it is demonic teaching. So thankful the Lord got me out of this and now I realize, I am not in control AT ALL...but God is and I trust Him.
Fantastic! My two favourite female apologists!!!
Sad truth is most are teaching such things! Even more sad, most professing Christians still don't care because their feelings and opinions are more important that God's Holy Bible! So awesome to see you two together for a video!
Amen to that!
@Kyle Isaacson The Bible doesn't condone slavery, sexism and genocide. It is disturbing that people try to create a god that is in their own image, a god that agrees with everything that they agree with. God is a holy and righteous and can not tolerate sin. You may say that God committed atrocities, he has the right to set up rules and the punishment for breaking those rules. You advocate consequence free living.
Have you ever heard the Qur’an talking about Jesus and his mother, peace be upon a translator. Did you know that Jesus and his mother mentioned the Qur’an 25 times? Listen to me the linkruclips.net/video/hQCFr_enOkED/видео.htmlo you have a question you want to know about Islam? We answer your question within the linkwww.faithchat.com. ة
Very true sadly bro! 😐
Pray for them don’t pity them.
1 Timothy 2:1
Revelation 3:17💞
My story IS VERY SIMILAR... n yes IT’S VERY HARD TO LEAVE THE NEW AGE WHEN YOU HAVE SOO MUCH POWER... until you start feeling depressed n distressed
It was a full time job trying to come to my “true self” when I was in the New Thought. I felt that if I wasn’t coming into my true self then, I couldn’t please God. It was a never ending cycle of highs and lows that were completely unsustainable. I was taught that if I was saved I would no longer have sinful thoughts or act in sin ever again once you accept Christ. So when I would sin I would be so frustrated and did not realize that my salvation is sealed and not dependent upon me but upon the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. Also was told I had to do miracles as evidence that I was saved and knew I couldn’t do them so again I thought I probably wasn’t saved. Experiences were allegedly signs that the Holy Spirit was in your life and that you were saved and if you were not manifesting then you probably weren’t saved. Such a mess. I Thank God for bringing me out, calling me to repentance and belief. For the first time I was taught from some Christian friends how to read scripture in context instead of reading it based upon what it means to me.
Thank you for what you both are doing! People need to know that new age Christianity exists and they may even be a new age Christian and have now idea. This is exactly what the public needs to hear. So good. Such truth. God bless!!
Amen! Hallelujah to God for bringing you out of that garbage
Discovery if true self sounds like a horribly deceitful and disenchanting experience. Humility is completely lost in all of that. Glad you were rescued from that false doctrine.
"The more mindless that you become, the more spiritual you are" wow! That is so so true, guilting you when you have questions!
The more mindless you are, the dumber you are.
Thank you for talking about The Shack. When the book and movie came out I refused to read or watch it and my friends thought I was insane. I couldn’t, at the time, put into words what was wrong but I knew it was wrong (if that makes sense).
Oh.... so you had a kind of inward Knowing? Or what shall I call it.... liquid gold?
I watched it and felt dirty watching it. I did NOT like where it went.
@@phantom1951 I don’t know what it was but I just couldn’t read or watch it... you can mock it if you want. People often mock what they don’t understand.
When I was in high school I was a very avid reader and would get through 1-3 books a week. I physically had a hard time getting myself to read The Shack. It didn't make any sense to me because every one of my Christian friends spoke so highly about it, but I couldn't get myself to read more than 15 pages and even those didn't hold my interest. I suspect that the Holy Spirit was protecting me. I've had the same thing happen a few time before with other books before where I didn't understand the danger of their content before picking it up. Either that or it's a pleasant coincidence.
Same
I attend an Independent Baptist church...and I find it interesting that it was actually the first place where I found someone who was able to answer all my Bible questions. Independent churches are independent and it's never a good idea to paint them with a broad brush.
I hear that! I have been in both kinds of churches.
Have been warning on these things for nearly 20 years....and mainstream were not warning, most looked at me like they had no clue.
I’m in an independent Baptist Church, and I’ve been in some harsh ones, but they aren’t all alike. I love where I’m at. The LORD is exalted, the Bible is preached and taught. I’ve been in other churches too, that were liberal and worldly, and knew nothing about the Bible. I love my King James Bible, as I do believe and am convicted that it is God’s preserved words. I love Melissa and love watching some of her videos, but bothers me when she makes that statement about the Bible. I do love her exposing false teaching, and teachers and cults. I too am a apologist. I love Alisa as well. I love listening to these two women. I am however, throwing out most of teaching, other women produce. Researching them, has opened my eyes a lot. I will listen to women who sticks to the Bible, handles it correctly, rightly divides it. Thank you Alisa for contending for the faith.
Before I was saved the one church I never wanted to be a part of was an independent Baptist church. I kept hearing how they were all dead, and nobody really knew the Lord. Then I got saved, and a year later ended up living with my sister, who was an independent Baptist. I grew like a weed there, challenged by the pastor to prove my beliefs with the Bible. That was 1983. I’ve been in independent Baptist churches ever since, especially because I read Baptist history early on, and learned about the core doctrines of a Scriptural church.
And just because someone puts the name Baptist on a church, doesn’t mean they are one (in the Scriptural sense); it just means they claim to obey the Bible, hold to believer’s baptism, eternal security, etc., and expect members to study the scriptures for themselves and pursue sanctification.
Favorite Baptist history books: A Trail of Blood (shortest); The Church That Jesus Built (Roy Mason; simplest); The Bible Makes Us Baptists (Mary Bamford; historical fiction, set in the 1550’s; read aloud in homeschool. My son, who was 13-14, loved it. Lots of adventure, blood and guts, as Baptists were hunted and slaughtered for obeying God and conscience. Pretty graphic, parental discretion advised.
It is really problematic when people claim that we can all be Christ. Many people are confused, myself included. I am happy about the education you are doing, I have learned a lot.
This is so troubling, but so important. This is eye opening. The year 2020 has opened my eyes to wanting to learn more and understand what is really going on in Churches. I am shaking on how important this is for us to hear. I’m sharing with my loved ones. Thank you so much.
Same
Amen
Amen. God bless you sister in Christ
The most complete definition of that false love is Tolerance. My wife, when asked, defined love like that. Sadly she isn't saved, though she thinks she is. 23:00 You really nail it Melissa. She thinks conflict is bad, confrontation, She actually labels rebuke as hate. It makes me so sad. She also gets the judging thing wrong too.
prayers for her to be delivered in Jesus name amen
Praying for your wife 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@s.a3099 Thank you Stephanie
Wow! 🤦
Im not good with words and am still learning. So I found this prayer online that I thought would represent my sentiments. Let Their Ears be Receptive Prayer
Lord in heaven, I bring my friends before you. Deliver them from the captivity of the devil. Let their ears be receptive of your word. Let your word, which is an inspiration from you, make them realize what is wrong in their lives, correct them when they are wrong, and teach them to do what is right. Forgive them their sins and cleanse them with the mighty blood of your son, Jesus. Be their savior. Amen.
A new phrase has been coming into my hearing. "I declare" such and such...it doesn't sit well with me. I feel a check in my spirit.
I declare and decree is what I've heard. Doesn't sit right with me either.
@angela Anderson yes, it’s almost as if people want to be God, and they like feeling that they have His power. When they release angels, I wonder why they are doing so instead of God.
because it is not biblical at all....I have yet to find it in the Bible and have been studying it for over 35 years. Some people want to think they can control God and tell him what to do and when to send angels...all kinds of nonsense...it makes me sad at the biblical ignorance of the average christian. We have listened to way too many false teachers becaue it is easier than studying it for oursleves.
It is the old "name it, claim it" just using different words. It is usually preached by prosperity gospel and is not Biblical.
Melissa’s testimony is both extraordinary, interesting, and heartbreaking. Thanks for sharing!
Oh wow, I had fallen so deeply for this oneness ideology and non-judgemental acceptance of everything, religious pluralism and Christian universalism and I was convinced I was a Christian, that makes it so warped... until Jesus grabbed my heart and changed me. I wouldn't have been able to debunk these lies without the holy spirit. It just sounded so so true. It's warped. I recently came across Keith Green's testimony and I realised it's all been here before, the same old lies are being recycled again and again, there's nothing new under the sun. I really appreciate you Alisa and Melissa.
I’m in a reformed Presbyterian church, and I can identify with this interviewee how women are not at all encouraged to ask theological questions while men are respected and taken seriously. I was so troubled by that.
I grew up in a Reformed Presbyterian church-I miss that community and the psalm sings. It was a gift to memorize the psalms with music as a child. I started questioning the rigid practices of the denomination as a teenager and was met with verses taken out of context and quotes from Calvin. I didn’t understand why they seemed to think of themselves as more spiritual than other denominations that worshipped God with instruments and/or songs outside the Psalms. I left the church my parents still attended, and joined a baptist church, then a charismatic church, then an Evangelical Free church, and then a missional Lutheran church...after all this, I’d go back to the RP church in a heartbeat. I miss the simplicity and no-nonsense Sunday gatherings. I also now realize how most churches, vastly different in practice, do what they do out of tradition and not out of a clear command. As body of believers, we should be able to recognize the clear commands of God from our traditions-including how we corporately worship. I still have my Psalter and I’m teaching my children to sing and worship God with Psalm 23!
@@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242 what kind of church are you at now? And have you looked into Orthodox Presbyterian? I just learned one of the most solid Christian's I know is OPC. I've yet to look into it to see how its different than the PC USA churches.
Blanca Cabanas thanks! I’ll check that out. I’m doing “church” at home with my children right now and it’s been such a blessing. I’ve got a few sisters-in-Christ who I meet with for bible study and prayer. It’s complicated, but I don’t plan to join another congregation, unless it’s a house church. God bless!
@@BlancaLovesJesus OPC is a great denomination. My wife and I just joined one recently
@@BlancaLovesJesus the PCUSA is liberal (does not teach that Scripture is inerrant, supports homosexual marriage and ordination of noncelibate homosexual ministers, etc.). The PCA separated from them because of this liberalism. The OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian Church) is a much smaller Pressie denomination than both of these, and is very like the PCA in doctrine (orthodox/Bible is the inerrant source) but generally more traditional in its practices. In a nutshell, you'd probably find contemporary worship styles at a PCA church and piano/hymnals at an OPC church.
I've always heard this scripture used... "Life and death are in the power of the tongue." Proverbs 18:21
You two make a great team…thanks for clarifying so many things. Praying that many people will be saved from going down a deceit filled path.
If Jesus were to stand beside one of these people in the flesh,
His words,
"I am the way, the truth and the life. None comes to the Father except through me"
will stay the same.
Why?
"Heaven and Earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away" - Jesus Christ
100%
Thank you, beautifully put.😁
Excellent! frantically taking notes, stopping & starting video so i can remember everything. my son is into law of attraction. Talking about the shack, i heard it was good so i began to read it and & thought ugh i don't like this so i researched it. i posted about my research on FB & family [pentecostal christians] were sooo angry [it;s ONLY a book they said] they unfriended me! so sad. thank you two for your work & helping us to be informed. Keep up the good work & i will keep ya'll in prayer.
If everyone goes to heaven, heaven would then be no different than this present Earth.
Exactly that's why universalism doesn't make sense...
EXCELLENT POINT!
If bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bump their rearends! I don't get the relevance of your statement/question, I guess my response will be just as irrelevant and that is not everybody goes to heaven, In fact very smalle percentage ever make it.........😑
wow amen!
First of all, heaven is perfect, so those in heaven, whether "all" or not, they would be perfected and there would no longer be the negative aspects of life. So, no, it would not be like the present Earth.
I too have heard the “don’t put God in a box.” Basically, people who say that really prove one thing, they don’t know the Scriptures and they usually base whatever they do know about God on how they feel rather than what God has revealed Himself to be. This is why the church must come back to Sola Scriptura. Too much wishy washy Jesus is who I think He is going on.
Sola scripture?
@@barbarajohnston6046 sola scriptura means scripture alone and it’s a latin word. it also means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true.
This was really eye opening to me!!! I've been coming out of the prosperity gospel as well... Thank you ladies!!! Love watching your videos!!!
EXCELLENT!!!!! I literally was trying to explain this to someone in my family who is caught up in New Thought and this is an excellent resource I can share. Steven Bancarz book also just came in the mail today, so I was very excited to know I'm headed in the right direction to learn more about this topic.
Listening to this, there is so many things tied to this. This is definitely something that has crept into the church even in how we parent our children. From what I’ve seen “Gentle Parenting” has a lot of this nothing but love and enabling….. focused on nothing but nurture and mental health and almost no discipline in my experience.
My wife is still in the new age mindset, and I don't know how to reach out to her, especially when a lot of new age thinks the Bible is just a book. I am no saint myself and have my own sins, but it is difficult being in a marriage where you want to talk about God and Jesus biblically and that conversation just can't happen. Prayers are definitely welcome for both of us and I'll be looking into what Melissa has to say. Praise God for you both and thank you for speaking truth
when a pet or child crashes a video, it just takes the video to the next level of cuteness and wholesomeness. I love it
Love the cake analogy!! Also, co verily with that, you can't leave certain things out aka baking soda or a leavening agent because it will not turn out. The same is true in Christianity!
Thanks for that analogy Melissa!
When I was coming up as a new believer at 19, my church offered me no help, no understanding no guidance, no discipleship. It really shipwrecked my faith.
Stories like this are almost painful to read. Did we forget that Jesus commanded us to make disciples of all men, not just create new converts and leave them to themselves?
Praise God we are still on God’s side today by His grace 🌿
That's great. These are made up stories anyways.
@@rockyblacksmith You know what's painful to read, god drowning innocent babies in the Bible.
@@pavld335 That's an odd way of spelling out "I'm desperate to pick a fight".
Sorry but you ain't getting one here.
When I heard the term "oneness" before I thought it was referring to unitarians. Thanks for explaining the term.
Most apostolic/Pentecostals believe this. I used to be in the UPC which is apostolic so I definitely know the term well. They also teach women can’t wear pants, make-up jewelry etc. Very legalistic.
I'd love for one of these women to tackle the issue of "Female Pastors"
Biblically I believe men were called and ordained by God to pastor and lead a church. It doesn't make men better or biblically smarter, I just believe it's God's divine order.
Btw, great interview! I love Melissa's passion and Alisa's as well!
Childers has said before that female preachers are unbiblical.
@boris 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is a good read regarding your question on this, specifically verses 11-14. Also, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. A prophet/prophetess is not the same as a PASTOR, by definition, and a pastor is not the same thing as a PREACHER. Anyone can be used by the Lord as a vessel to prophesy, and anyone can preach the Gospel, but the head of a Church (the PASTOR) is to be male, as referenced by the above scripture.
Regarding "Pastors", I suggest checking out: "www.openbible.info/topics/pastor". Jeremiah 3:15 states the role very concisely "... shepherds ...". Always a good idea to click on the verse, or verses, to help understand the context.
@@oliviagilliam6550 Amen! To that.
Unity is often a call to compromise. When you see a call to unity you should ask yourself, "Am I being asked to give something up?" And, "Is the one asking for unity willing to give up anything? Or am I the only one compromising in this deal?"
THANKYOU MELISSA AND ALISA! Thankyou for being obedient to Christ and teaching us truth. I grew up in a Reformed church, then Gospel and Pentecostal through my teens years and now Baptist. Having two young girls, God has drawn me to solidify what it is I actually believe. His word has become SO solely valuable to me more than ever. I believe I have seen the misuse of the gifts of the spirit, false spirits and religion without relationship. There are so many topics that you both cover that are expressing in words the discernment I often feel. Thankyou sisters for the research you have done to ground us all in the truth of the Gospel. Bless you both as wives and mothers as well.
Big fan of you both! Once a person understands these malevolent doctrines, they will start seeing them pop up all over the place. Thank you both for educating us all! BTW, Melissa a gifted artist as well.
In Belgium where I live, almost everyone is progressive. I am catholic, but I like how christianity in the US is really a way of living. Congratulations for spreading the Faith!
I had no idea that vibes were part of LOA. I see people posting all the time asking for prayer and/or positive vibes. That has always bothered me. Christians thinking that positive vibes do things and are as powerful as prayer. The vibration lie is so very real.
Thank y'all so much for all this info (in this and your other videos).
For a while now I've been feeling uncomfortable with the church we attend and now I know why!
Our pastors are more along the lines of WOF/new thought!
They are always saying how you can and should just "DECLARE" things in your life and don't speak life to negative things like illness/poverty/ etc.
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We will be looking for a new church.
Ditto! Me too.
@@joycewatt8289 I pray you find a good Bible believing church sister! 🙏❤
Just discovered your channel. Second interview I’m listening to. Love your discussions. Such a relief to hear other Christians who can “see”. ❤️
Thank you so much for this insightful interview. Fantastic for me in better understanding what's happened with my estranged 35/38 yr old children who want nothing to do with me in large part due to my Christian stand and Biblical worldview. Wonderful job both of you.
When you were talking about the woman who refers to searching for "the liquid gold" I couldn't help but think about the way I have heard (and fallen into myself) people talk about waiting to feel "peace about it" or waiting for "clarity" when they are trying to identify God's will or make a life decision. A while back my dad shared with me that he thought this was dangerous because he suspected that we are mostly waiting on a feeling rather than actively pursuing God. That concern was convicting to me so I thought I'd share.
This was so eye opening! Thank you. I've been believing that I'm creating my own reality by my thought life. I've believed that for years, and been so frustrated, because it's not possible to have positive thoughts 24/7.
We're in an information war, and one of the weapons the enemy is using is redefining language. "Oneness" with God is a scriptural truth, but now the word is being used to lead people astray.
"... but the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him." 1 Cor 6:17 NLT
Yes, just because terminology is misused today, does not make the word now wrong. In fact, in the book Mama Bear Apologetics (which I think these ladies contributed to) calls it "linguistic theft"
I thank God for both of you ladies.! This is starting to happen in my church!!!!
I feel that "hustle" culture and "girl boss" culture has really made BIG contributions to New Age running so beyond rampant in the church. My parents are baptist and always have been, but my mother over time got caught up in this "girl boss" culture, and began believing in manifestation, and positivity, and things you discuss in this video. They disguise this New Age teaching under verbiage and Christian jargon, and it's literally the snake from the garden. It's literally Adam and Eve in the garden all over again, 2000 years later, using the SAME tricks ya'll. Be vigilant and stand firm!!!
I had that exact kind of experience, waking up the day after I decided to let God's Word SPEAK, and everything was light and different than ever before.
Glad to see that The Lord has lots of witnesses to the truth. Well done Alisa and Melissa
Thank you x 100 for this interview and for marching forward with the truth of scripture. I have been so confused recently about scripture scripture the church and you have opened my eyes to the reasons why. I sensed these things but didnt know how to voice them. I am so excited after hearing this to take up my Bible and search the scriptures (not my feelings) for truth and hope. God bless yal.
I learned so much today! You helped me get clear understanding of some things I was never clear about. How I wish this conversation would have continued another hour!
I listened to those teachings for years in the church but thank God that I’m free of it now. God bless you Alisa and Melissa for putting these conversations and teachings out there.
Alisa, I bought your book and used in my high school homeschool curriculum. Thank you for writing it and for this podcast!
Didn’t even know i was practicing this stuff,…God bless you both for allowing the spirit to use you in freeing the minds of the captive!🙏
"God has a box called the Bible." Amen!
People who say you shouldn't "put God in a box" almost always have a pantheistic view of God, which is that "God is everything." That comes from Hinduism, not biblical Christianity.
Thank you for this talk . I need it desperately for discernment in my own church and my brother who totally engulfed in it.
Please keep up your good services, people everywhere especially in Canada. ❤❤❤😢
Put Alisa and Melissa together and you have such a discussion!! Love these two. And I have learned lots from you two. 😍😍
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Wonderful insight. A great presenter. She directs her question and when you digress she redirects you to the issue at hand. And also she is confident, patient and really knows her stuff. She puts Richard Rohr in his place and he has no place to go if he listens to you.
Question: do the majority of Christians have good theology? Would they recognize good theology when the see/hear it?
I would say no and no sadly
We don’t know the majority of Christians only God does. We are called to learn the word and proclaim the Gospel, it’s God’s will for us to build one another up in the word of our faith. A sin not to.
Colossians 3:16
Ephesians 4:15
James 4:17
Matthew 7:24-25...Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. (Matthew 7:24-25)
I got a question from someone who I met as a missionary and he was a missionary claimed Christian. We got into talking about who is Jesus. He doesn't believe that Jesus is God. I went on to ask 3 other people I know to say they are Christian "Is Jesus God?" They answered no. He is the son of God but not God. Which tells me the answer to your question is no they don't know.
The Holy Spirit will give you the power to discern
So thankful for true sisters out there. Thank you for sticking to God's Truth! So many need actual healing and are being led down the wrong spiritual path because they allow their needs to lead them instead of the Truth. Hurts when all you need is some friendly compassion and you're told "don't claim that" .
Wonderful conversation, thank you both for all you do!
I enjoyed that very much, Thank you! I at 57 found myself being pulled in to this kind of Charismatic circle, but because of my very strict Southern Baptist upbringing questioned what I was hearing. I am glad I started digging deeper!!
I would appreciate it if you would define the difference between Charismatic and Hyper-charismatic. I think I would find it very helpful.
Using the Gifts the Holy Spirit gives to Born Again believers vs those churches that seek and accept hysteria as 'holy'.
Thank you ladies for covering these topics so well and conveying the information in an understandable way. It helps to hear of your backgrounds and how you came to Christ. I think very few of us can say we have never been touched by some form of New Age theology.
Amen we proclaim the Gospel and declare God’s promises to draw near to God not for material things or ways of this world.
James 4:8🙌
Romans 12:2
Matthew 6:25-33
Oh how I love these ladies! I’ve learned so much through their miniseries.
YES! Melissa finally came on the podcast
I really appreciated this talk. Thank you both!
Near the end you spoke about the woman who wrote in her book about sinking lower into "knowing" that she called "liquid gold," I just had to laugh. Why you ask? I've been learning a lot more about gardening and in that context, liquid gold is ... urine. So if I trade that with her analogy, she's sinking deeper and deeper until she reaches urine. Hmmm, I think that puts it into context. You can't rely on feelings/bodily experiences to measure truth with.
I just thought I'd add that little thought since I was chuckling away at her idea. I hope you get a bit of a laugh out of it too. And I do hope that the woman who wrote that book you referred to will eventually reach the point of really coming to the Truth.
God bless you in your ministry!
That was awesome interview thank you sister God bless
I love this ! I went through the same thing you did Melissa when I repented and gave my life to Christ in the beginning back in 1995 but I didn’t have any studying and if I did it was minimal it was a small church they taught the biblical Jesus but I didn’t have support because they just started and very humble small church , cause I wasn’t reading or had someone to support I fell back to the world for 20 yrs , I came back to Christ in 2016 but this church puts focus on discipleship but I think it needs to be tweaked in some of the way we need to approach the great commission they don’t teach new age but there is some stuff that is seen in some people who attend there and this needs to be addressed we need a class that will teach these kind of things we need to learn to see and be discerning, specially now a days ! It’s necessary! I’m glad there is people out there who take the time to care about letting the church know about this , many people you mention it’s watched with a lot of people I know I’m praying the lord gives me wisdom to I can speak truth to them and be equipped!
There is a quote in the bible, ‘stand in awe and do not sin. Sit upon your own bed and commune with your heart, and be still. Selah
This may be a good place to start in order to know the Truth.
Thank you so much. We have two daughters wrapped up in this and it just is heartbreaking and they have separated themselves from the family and that is we have a children that is my husband and myself and they have nothing to do with anybody because they are so wrapped up in this theology
This was absolutely wonderful. Question: where should the line be drawn between avoiding the hyper-charismatic nature of "speaking things into existence" and recognizing the power of life and death in the tongue?
The context of the proverb I believe is talking about something separate, it isn’t talking about speaking things into existence it’s talking about the effects our words can have in more personal ways. Good question though.
@@zackrangeley9766 Ahh, I catch your drift. I will study that personally. Thank you so much!!
I concur with Zack here. To say that that verse literally means you can create with words, is taking a very shallow understanding of it, and it’s incorrect. It’s referring to how you effect everyone around you with how you chose to speak. And compelling you to always remember that. Telling a small child everyday how smart they are, will help develop them more towards a curiosity for becoming more intelligent. Just as telling them they are stupid everyday, will discourage them from thinking they could ever be smart, and would mold them into someone who thinks they are inherently stupid. All if that is created in someone’s life simply by what you chose to say to them! Or imagine what it does to someone when you say they are ugly? Or that you hate them? Versus an alternative, of telling someone you appreciate them, and are grateful to know them. Both produce fruits in their lives, fruits that your tongue created.
The power of life and death is in the tongue is about how our words effect other people, negatively or positively. Similarly, the wise woman builds up her home but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands. That's about a woman's speech/ actions and the effect it has on her family. Not that she has the power to build up her own life in a Godly way outside of God. Only God can speak things into existence. We have no power outside of Him. If we need something we are to humbly seek His face and pray for His will. Which of course, he can say no. We can't manifest anything ourselves if we follow Christ. Even Christ didn't seek His own will. He was God and didn't consider Himself to be equal to God.
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Thank you both so much for holding the standard high for Christ. This is why he kept warning us if all the pitfalls and assailings of our faith.
I’m so happy to see y’all two work together!
I am so thankful to the two of
you for this discussion! In fact, I will listen to it again.
"Scriptures suffice & Jesus IS enough". This sums it up.
As a believer that has been influenced by both Calvinism - detoured through the charismatic 'word of faith' - and Arminianism; the gospel of grace and truth is beautiful to behold.
That is an amazing talk! I am sharing this with family and friends. I never realized how true it is that Satan is a wolf in sheep's clothing! I believed it but I didn't know how that looked...I see now. I thought I was just "old fashioned" in Christianity and for that reason I couldn't understand or connect with how modern Christianity talks and behaves. Keep up teaching the truth! 😊
My husband mentioned when trying to discern, a wolf from a sheep....check their tracks at their watering hole.
Thank you Alisa and Melissa - I'm listening/watching a lot of your videos. They are super informative. I have a great passion for apologetics and these are extremely helpful and educational. Alisa, on Melissa's recommendation I just bought your book 'Another Gospel.' Hoping it arrives tomorrow! Thank you ladies for your ministries.
Jesus DID die for everyone, but individualists must choose to accept that sacrifice for themselves AND if they do not make that choice, there is no salvation for them.
Im at that exact point of searching and accepting the bible over what i was taught. I spend hours on you tube and internet and in my study bible. Its like an obsession right now. A bit overwhelming. Thanks so much for sharing and thank you for your channel as well.
Every time I hear Melissa give details about her coming out story and history, I hear her give more information about it. And the more and more similarities I hear. It’s always so fruitful. I feel like her story is so similar to mine, but that she’s at least 5+ years ahead of me in her growth. Such a blessing to hear her talk about these things in great detail! She always sheds light on things in ways that really helps me to continue sorting out my past, and further nailing down my understanding of Biblical Christianity. Thank you Alisa for having her on! You two together was a really great video. I love deep dives like this one. ♥️
I grew up in a Word of Faith church that my family attended for ten years starting in 1967. I heard these false doctrines over and over throughout those years, particularly the positive/negative confession stuff. It wasn’t until I read Dave Hunt’s excellent book; The Seduction Of Christianity, in the mid 80’s, that the Holy Spirit began to peel off the layers of false teaching that had built up in my life. That was a process that would take the next two decades for me to arrive at the point where I had learned what should have been a foundational part of my Christian walk, but wasn’t.
I had always been taught that the pattern for a Christian is that we must belong to a church and come under the authority of the Elders and the Pastor, whom God has ordained as the dispensers of Truth and how dangerous it is for us to just rely on prayerfully reading the scriptures when seeking what the Lord has to teach us, so this text was an eye-opener. Especially when I read it in the context of the chapter, and then the whole book. (Which is how we should read the scriptures, rather than just isolated verses) I was led to the teachings of Jesus to the disciples on the night of the Last supper, about the ministry of the Holy Spirit, found in John’s Gospel, from chapter 14 through 17. These are two texts within that section of John’s Gospel that are staggering to contemplate if you think about what Jesus is promising here. I’ve capitalised the words that stand out to me:-
John 14:26 - KJV
26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16:12-15 - KJV
12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
I don’t know how many times I had read these words and never really seen what Jesus was saying and when I did have my eyes opened, it took my breath away!
The Spirit led me to something in 1 John that I had read a time or two, but hadn’t really SEEN until the Holy Spirit highlighted it for me in the context I mentioned above. It directly addresses the issue of recognising false teachers:-
1 John 2:26-27
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Then I saw what Paul had written to Timothy:-
2 Timothy 3:14-17 - KJV
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
This is also in the context of dealing with false teachers and false doctrines and as I read these words slowly, I was again stunned at what they actually say. In fact, the whole of the New Testament deals with this issue of false doctrines in one way or another.
I remember a Sunday School song we used to sing that says; ‘Read your Bible and pray every day and you’ll grow, grow, grow.’ Pretty basic and perhaps a little trite sounding, but as it turns out, absolutely true, if we remember to pray before we open our Bible and ask the Lord to teach us what He wants us to know and learn. It took me forty years to learn that simple lesson, but I praise God for the experience, because I have learned much that I find useful in these days of people coming out of false teaching and spiritual abuse. One thing I learned is that this whole process can take quite a while and that there is pain involved, on many levels, but the Lord is faithful and it is well worth the price to know the Truth and be free.
I am coming out of years of being heavily into New Age and one of the things they push as well is that there is no sin. We are not sinful by nature, it's just our "Ego" being judgmental and critical. That the real evil or Devil is us, as our Ego. And what is their answer to this? Oh, just love yourself, forgive yourself because existence is only perception or a projection. Those were concepts, in spite of truly believing in Christ (but as a Teacher/Logos) as a real man, that I was never able to really reconcile. After leaving a Megachurch where it was all about being entertained and motivated every week, rather than learning any scripture (aside from those short, nice verses I'd easily find on any spiritual Facebook page or bumper sticker) or anything about Christ and His teachings, I saw just how much the church was blending all of these New Age ideas and I was deeply disturbed and troubled. Sadly, I have not found a reformed or sound church but I do watch sermons via RUclips and feel like I'm finally growing. Thanks to both of you ladies Ministries too! I can't thank you enough and I wish more of these women's conferences that go on in these churches had women like you. I went to so many of those too and they never felt right to me. People like Jen Hatmaker so involved. Both of you need your voices and insight heard instead! It's amazing to find so many others like myself leaving behind these churches and teachings and New Age as a whole. I think people are beginning to question alot and God is doing a good work. Again, thank you ladies!
you are correct...it is getting more difficult to find a church that DOES NOT teach this new age junk now. Glad you go out of it! I was in it forover 25 years and it almost destroyed me in every way possible. Thankful to Jesus Christ for getting me out of it. Now I only trust God and His Word. We as believers need to know our Bibles so that we can reject all these false teachings. Take care
Thank you both for discussing these important issues.
I started in the AoG over 30 years ago, and much of these false teachings were alive back then too. More open, accepted and pervasive today, but much the same old lies.
God bless you!
Alisa, Melissa,
what is your position on Priscilla Shirer's teachings?
Thank You!
Blessigs,
Anna
I would love to know that too!
I used to listen to her very often, and now I don’t know if I should continue
Alisa, thank you very much for not lumping all Charismatics together. I’m old enough to be your grandmother, was saved in mid 70’s received the baptism of the spirit (biblically illiterate Catholic girl) and God saved my husband and me and our lives through the Charismatic Movement. We have served the Lord all these decades. We never got caught up in the craziness. We have 4 adult professional children, all serving the Lord as well. And we have many, many friends just like us. Lawyers, nurses, CEOs, teachers. This hyper-sensationalism is how the enemy derails ppl, just as he sidetracks evangelicals into religious and cerebral ONLY side alleys. I wish more people like yourself would do more investigating before they attempt to “rightly” judge all charismatics. As derailed as the NAR movement is, there are some legitimate reasons why it is growing at such a phenomenal rate. God bless you both!
BTW: I was headed right into the New Age Movement myself at the time God put out His hand and saved me. I had just lost my Mom, at the age of 25 and without any solid ground under me, was extremely vulnerable, as are so many of these dear people caught up in this snare. The devil is merciless but he’s no match for the “friend of the sinner.”
That is called the (Transaction Model). If I pray hard enough, pay my tithing, be a good person GOD will provide.
Ladies, I cannot thank you enough for defining these blurry lines. Praise God through His son Yeshua!!! I am a Messianic Jew and so grateful for your accurate exposition of these false teachings!!!!
I wrote a short essay on the heresies that The Shack promotes. Of course I received criticism for it and was accused of writing it in what people call a “wrong spirit” or being divisive. My response to that was any person who writes a book with characters in that book representing the God of the Bible and deliberately misrepresents the God of the Bible will receive criticism, fiction or not you have unsuspecting Christians who do not know theology well (not sure why) who will believe anything and everything about God and Jesus whether it comes from the Bible or not, sadly.
I disliked this book but was afraid i was wrong
i didn't read the book but saw part of the movie and was appalled that the writer and movie ppl made out that The Lord made himself to be a woman in order to appease the man...The Lord would never do that He comes to us as He is He wouldn't change Himself in order for us to feel better or be more comfterable
Fantastic work ladies, it is not uncommon to see any of this in any given church, I was almost sucked into something like this and thank God! That the good Lord gave me the wits to see through it all.
Being a thinker, and “inner peace” don’t usually go together very well... at least not in my experience.
but experience is subjective ........ gotcha ;)
Yes yes yes!!! That’s what happened to me when I was learning about the Hebrew roots movement! And I didn’t also realize that I was in new age stuff prior!! My eyes were opened!