An application of a switched receptacle in a kitchen would be for under and above cabinet lighting. A cord and plug driver plugs into the receptacle, (Usually in an accessible place other than the countertop where the low voltage lighting cables are ran to.) I really appreciate your videos!
Ryan - you mentioned the microwave receptacle about 6:40 into the video. Shouldn't the receptacle be a "simplex" and not a duplex receptacle for that plug-fed device? Comment on that specific requirement, please...Where are simplex required - - at the toilet when supplying power for a bidet? - - - Do you have a video or other media that addresses the requirement for a simplex receptacle in dwelling units?
4:08. 😂😂 I hear you on the coffee pot dilemma. I cannot start my day's work without my fresh hot cup of java in the morning, I might even pose a danger to myself and/or others without that shot of caffeine.
Hello Ryan. So… my question is that you stated that it is required to have the small appliance branch circuits also feed the kitchen and dining room wall outlets 210.52(B)(3) “but” the code states “may also” that doesn’t indicate that it is required to be. Not trying to split hairs but it doesn’t make sense to me that it is required? It also doesn’t make sense to me why you would want the kitchen and dining room wall outlets on a small appliance branch circuit with kitchen appliances that draw a large load
@ 24min mark, correct me if I am wrong, but that is NOT a required outlet. It falls under island or peninsula correct? In which case it is not even required, and can't be installed incorrectly for the counter top and can't be a violation?
Gee wiz, 21st century? My 1929 house is closer to 19th century. It has a real butler's pantry which is a room between the kitchen and dinning room with counter top and storage for serving wear and dinner wear. Food cooked in the kitchen by the cook is brought to the butler's pantry to be plated or put on serving dishes. Mine has a sink for washing the dinner wear and serving wear.
that peninsula graphic you show is bad because the backsplash is wall space since there is no limits on heights, even the shortest of walls should be considered
So you're saying that as long as the backsplash doesn't connect to the ceiling? Like if there's a 1-in Gap at the top of the ceiling, that's never going to be counted as a wall ever again That's cool thanks for clarifying
hey Ryan! for 210.52(b)(1) what i think they were getting at, is all the time we put transformers plugged into a switched outlet in the cabnets for under counter led lights. so it actually kinda makes sense to say it is allowed on a 15 lighting circuit
I wish you had gone into more detail about the multioutlet assembly! I’ve seen a lot of controversy about if setups like what’s shown at 12:26 count towards the countertop receptacle outlet requirements. Seems like you didn’t find an issue with them counting in the video, but I’m curious about your specific thoughts on the topic.
So for an island or peninsula installing an outlet in the cabinet directly below would be illegal and no outlet at all would be code compliant. If you wanted to install any outlet it would have to be the hubbell type directly in the counter?
Hi Ryan, at 16:04 in your video talking about measuring that inside corner and if it needs to be within 2' either way. If you have Mike Holt's Book Understanding the National Electrical Code Volume 1 2023 version they have one of their drawings which is figure 210-108 page 141 they show you do not have to have a receptacle 2' from each corner. I wish I could post a pic. Thankyou for all these videos. Makes my life so mush easier!!!
IMO, The word "Dining" should be universal...no reference to particular time-of-day meal. I.e. the term "breakfast" in the code seems sort of ridiculous.
An application of a switched receptacle in a kitchen would be for under and above cabinet lighting. A cord and plug driver plugs into the receptacle, (Usually in an accessible place other than the countertop where the low voltage lighting cables are ran to.) I really appreciate your videos!
Great info Ryan, you break down the code better than anyone out there 👍🏻
Great detail, I love watching your videos it makes me a better electrician thank you..👍
Ryan ,great teaching. Keep up the great work 👍
Love your explanations Ryan . Thank you for these videos .
Ryan - you mentioned the microwave receptacle about 6:40 into the video. Shouldn't the receptacle be a "simplex" and not a duplex receptacle for that plug-fed device? Comment on that specific requirement, please...Where are simplex required - - at the toilet when supplying power for a bidet? - - - Do you have a video or other media that addresses the requirement for a simplex receptacle in dwelling units?
4:08. 😂😂 I hear you on the coffee pot dilemma. I cannot start my day's work without my fresh hot cup of java in the morning, I might even pose a danger to myself and/or others without that shot of caffeine.
Hello Ryan. So… my question is that you stated that it is required to have the small appliance branch circuits also feed the kitchen and dining room wall outlets 210.52(B)(3) “but” the code states “may also” that doesn’t indicate that it is required to be. Not trying to split hairs but it doesn’t make sense to me that it is required? It also doesn’t make sense to me why you would want the kitchen and dining room wall outlets on a small appliance branch circuit with kitchen appliances that draw a large load
@ 24min mark, correct me if I am wrong, but that is NOT a required outlet. It falls under island or peninsula correct? In which case it is not even required, and can't be installed incorrectly for the counter top and can't be a violation?
Bro this is great stuff.
Thanks!
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Gee wiz, 21st century? My 1929 house is closer to 19th century. It has a real butler's pantry which is a room between the kitchen and dinning room with counter top and storage for serving wear and dinner wear. Food cooked in the kitchen by the cook is brought to the butler's pantry to be plated or put on serving dishes. Mine has a sink for washing the dinner wear and serving wear.
Our coffee pot has its own emergency receptacle not connected to house power. That circuit comes from an inverter and battery bank.
^Smart person^
At 24:43, it says that _required_ receptacles for countertops cannot be installed below the countertop. That is not a required receptacle.
Yes, I explain that that in my video that covers that change.
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23:21 what prevents that from being a peninsula?
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that peninsula graphic you show is bad because the backsplash is wall space since there is no limits on heights, even the shortest of walls should be considered
It is a peninsula, so there is no wall space requirement.
So you're saying that as long as the backsplash doesn't connect to the ceiling? Like if there's a 1-in Gap at the top of the ceiling, that's never going to be counted as a wall ever again
That's cool thanks for clarifying
hey Ryan! for 210.52(b)(1) what i think they were getting at, is all the time we put transformers plugged into a switched outlet in the cabnets for under counter led lights. so it actually kinda makes sense to say it is allowed on a 15 lighting circuit
Great example! Thanks for that.
Great videos Ryan. You explain it well and have a sense of humor lol I subscribed
I wish you had gone into more detail about the multioutlet assembly! I’ve seen a lot of controversy about if setups like what’s shown at 12:26 count towards the countertop receptacle outlet requirements. Seems like you didn’t find an issue with them counting in the video, but I’m curious about your specific thoughts on the topic.
So for an island or peninsula installing an outlet in the cabinet directly below would be illegal and no outlet at all would be code compliant. If you wanted to install any outlet it would have to be the hubbell type directly in the counter?
Hi Ryan, at 16:04 in your video talking about measuring that inside corner and if it needs to be within 2' either way. If you have Mike Holt's Book Understanding the National Electrical Code Volume 1 2023 version they have one of their drawings which is figure 210-108 page 141 they show you do not have to have a receptacle 2' from each corner. I wish I could post a pic. Thankyou for all these videos. Makes my life so mush easier!!!
I wrote Mike's changes book for a dozen years, I'm familiar with the book. 😉
What if the microwave oven is a countertop appliance, as opposed to an installed appliance? Can it be plugged into the 20 amp small appliance ckt?
Yes, it does not need a dedicated ckt.
Great information thanks for the update
I have made plans for this stuff for yeas, but the conversation is always helpful, there area so many situations that arise that need judgement.
Hey Ryan, I took all your NEC courses on Red Vector for CEUs. Absolutely fantastic. Great work.
good morning sir! hope you discuss commercial loads like this. thanks
IMO, The word "Dining" should be universal...no reference to particular time-of-day meal. I.e. the term "breakfast" in the code seems sort of ridiculous.
I see your point, but I think that is just the architectural term used. I really do see your point though.