He's right about them being tree farms instead of forests. I've been to two man-made forests which were planted with at least 2-3 different of species of trees. The first noticeable thing when you're in the man-made forests is it's very quiet. You hardly hear any animal sounds in them. It's because it lacks diversity that is necessary to support a functioning animal ecosystem which itself is also very diverse.
My area is a major pulp and lumber supplier in N.America. It’s so easy to tell natural vs artificial areas, because prey animals and even scavengers stay clear of the artificial areas. There is nearly zero ground cover & food supplies for bugs, and that makes it nearly unliveable for the larger animals.
And it’s still wasteful and terrible. Hemp can also be recycled and it’s cheaper, faster, easier, greener, and doesn’t destroys miles of trees, old growth forests, and ecosystems. Edit: imagine actually getting perturbed over my comment. But: “Paper Made from Hemp Can Be Recycled More Times: Plus, hemp paper can be recycled up to 8 times, while wood pulp paper only up to 3 times.” -Whatishemp
@@OddWoz bruh, this is so unrelated. You are in no place, education or industry wise, to claim that. You can have an opinion, but you don't need to share it.
@@geoffrey6000 so yours also meets that criteria. You can hold on to your “unnecessary” comments just as easily. I’d argue mine’s much more related to “How the Worlds Largest Paper Company Makes Cardboard”
@@robertlee6338 Hemp also requires very specific types of machinery, tech., and processes unique to hemp. It doesn't present itself as a placebo unless you're a contrarian and believe ANY solution other than this main one is @The Answer to ALL the Questions!
Yes and no. Multiple members of my family worked at a paper mill. This video still makes the error of focusing on carbon emissions and not the pollution caused by the paper mill. Carbon emissions being a real problem is a lie. The carbon dioxide level is 0.04% of the air. If the carbon dioxide level rises, trees and such will absorb more carbon dioxide and grow bigger, thus removing the excess carbon dioxide from the environment. They actually pump carbon dioxide into marijuana grow houses to encourage the growth and yield of the marijuana plants. Global warming is a grift. They have improved the smell of paper mills substantially, but the problem with paper mills is the waste water which has nasty chemicals in it. (they talked about the chemical use in the video) They dump waste water into streams and rivers which causes all kinds of damage. Global warming is a way to hinder YOU from doing what you want to do while distracting you from these polluting companies. (look here, not there, you're the problem, you need to stop driving your car) There is a documentary called "Company Town" (2016) which was made about the mill my family worked at.
Great article which only scratches the surface of how much recycling and upcycling occurs in a modern paper mill. For example, the black liquor is not only burned; black liquor soap is recovered and refined into tall oil rosin which is used to make many products. As for the sustainable forestry practices, while 30% is a “low” number, the number was near 0% when I started my career in the mid-90’s. Considering the life cycle of a forest, getting to 30% in 30-yrs represents significant commitment and progress. It also means that 60% of the liner board and corrugated medium now comes from recycled or sustainably managed fiber sources! Can more de done? Absolutely but let’s not disregard the progress that has been made.
This guy gets it. I work in the powerhouse department of an IP mill which also encompasses the tall oil portion of the plant. It's well known the tall oil alone pays everyone in the departments salary.
@@nalgene247 I am aware of what journalism is. I never said it wasn't journalism. It isn't an article. An article is very specifically a written form of journalism. Just look up the definition.
I work for a company that makes exclusively recycled linerboard. In the industry, that's the smooth outside sheet of your corrugated box, as opposed to the corrugating medium. Great to see this detailed documentary.
LONDON, HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL , The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests. HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops. Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
That's awesome! Working in recycled linerboard must give you a unique perspective on sustainability in packaging. What’s the biggest challenge you face in producing recycled materials compared to non-recycled ones?
1. You can take tape off as well as those plastic "windows"... if that prevented you prior, then you're just lazy. 2. Food stains would not effect recycling. Never has for cardboard/paper. Plastic is another story.....
not really if it's burning the bark for that power to run electrical machines. better ways than that, pretty unenvironmental practices disguised as doing the right thing... :/
75% is quite nothing in newer mills where external energy is used to start the mill. After starting, the energy goes surplus and is sold to the national grid.
@@GregHighPressure Unfortunately, that is untrue. After debarking, the bark is pressed, dried and burnt in a fluidized bed boiler. This ensures quite low emissions with high efficiency. The flue gas can be recirculated as heat, but after that, it is filtered, washed and then released. The result is mostly water vapour, but of course, some harmful emissions, but not in the range of what they have been in the past.
I work for international paper and we do take waste and recycling seriously it's a great company to work for and just the one machine I work on alone makes about 1,000,000+boxes a week on average
Well, environmentalists look like they are never satisfied. And thus playing the game of the Corporations in getting The People used to live under-graded lives with very little improvement in comfort due to so-called shortages. 🤔 Said shortages mainly due to poor management, lack of investment, funding and maintenance. Etc.
Worked at IP Gilroy Container 20yrs. I would disagree! EVERY hourly employee is miserable! From 40yr vets to 2yr new hires. Place was run like a sweatshop 12hrs a day 6-7 day weeks crazy strict attendance policy and pay that’s just barely livable. In fact the only way you really make money is OT and lack of the time to spend and enjoy it.
@@donald8607 it was like that I heard but the container plant I work at is not like that I heard it used to be in fact I had my days of working 12hour six day weeks in stretches but it was only to cover somebody what we do now were I'm at is a 24/7 rotation schedule with gaurunteed off days and every other weekend off and ot is voluntarily don't get me wrong they not perfect but before I started working for them I use to detail cars making 11 an hour now I'm making about 25 an hour and my IP job is easier but they do have they days
My dad was the General Sales Manager for the south east division of IP when I was growing up. He's since past away in 2019 but I have all of his International Paper stuff, coffee mugs, hats, lots of things like that.
I wouldn't mind a follow-up video with your dad and the guy who was complaining that tree farms are not forests. Obviously it's complicated (ecosystems always are), but if we accept that some areas should be reserved for natural growth, and other areas will be tree farms, what can we do on the tree farm side to make them more like forests? Would it help much to simply have a certain percentage of trees in a tree farm that are designed to be permanent? Would it be economically viable to plant farmed & permanent trees in suburbia or cropland?
@@WilliamDye-willdye I would guess that creating smaller slices in a larger farm that are cultivated (annually? Biannually?) so that the area being displlaced in any cut is much smaller area, and then the animals living there would have much more area nearby they can rehome in, rather than massive clear cut farms that displace large numbers of animals simultaneously. Hoping there are some good researchers finding ways to create more biodiverse farms.
"It's highly productive or highly exploited depending on who you ask." I love that sentence. Also, only 30% of the Wood used by International Paper is certified. That's not much and I would have liked to know more why that is. Keep it up.
Supply & demand is the answer. Until the demand is high, there is no incentive for smaller independent tree farmers like us to go to the trouble to become certified. We see no mills in our area requiring or paying more for trees that are "certified".
@kirkharris8729 is right. There really is no financial incentive for smaller, family landowners to participate in the certification programs - especially when they might harvest timber once/twice in their lifetime. Even larger timber companies have historically opted out of certifying their forests because of all the added paperwork, auditing, and management restrictions. With demand for certified wood increasing overseas, however, these mills will have to start incentivizing suppliers to keep up with demand.
It’s definitely highly productive, and not nearly exploited enough. There are millions of acres of unmanaged natural regeneration which is just as terrible for wildlife as a plantation.
As someone who grew up in the southeastern pines, one of the reasons it's 20% of our paper and pulp products is because it's private land. The west is home to the largest percentage of federal land in the US and many of its forest grow longer because of it.
Not critical enough, though. I feel like there isn't enough of an accent on how dead their tree farms are, how much CO2 they emit (they only present it as one process being BETTER than another, but they don't provide numbers and proper context to understand how damaging the industry if), and they just glance over the chemicals used to remove lignin - what that mix is, how it's secured, etc. And again - they burn chemicals too.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 woah slow down there sherlock. If you are soooooo interested you can google it. This is just an educational youtube video on cardboard that provides two different viewpoints. Stop being so critical of something you obviously dont understand and take for granted.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 but the trees have stored that carbon their selves over the 30 years of growth. then they are burned and a new set of trees over 30 years will absorb that carbon. so no new carbon is entered into the atmosphere. and all the carbon in the boxes is stored until it goes back into the landfill. It really isn't as bad as you think.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 Well, environmentalists look like they are never satisfied. And thus playing the game of the Corporations in getting The People used to live under-graded lives with very little improvement in comfort due to so-called shortages. 🤔 Said shortages mainly due to poor management, lack of investment, funding and maintenance. Etc.
I worked at various IP mills in my career and I would always ask what was the oddest things they would see come out of the recycle bales. Top 3: 1. A straight 4 engine block 2. Manhole covers 3. Bowling pins/Bowling balls
Not mentioned in the video is that every box also has an ECT (Edge Crush Test) rating. I was the person who did that testing at the Aurora (Montgomery) Knell Rd. plant IP factory that was Willamette Industries when I started there back in the day.
90434 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL , The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests. HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops. Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
I recently bought a couple of products and the packaging was plain cardboard with minimal mono black ink labelling clearly aimed at recycling it's good to see some companies considering the renewablilty of there packaging. I hope more of the big corporates start adopting the same policy. What would be even more ideal is to make it possible to leave packaging at your door so when the delivery drivers come they can take it back to the supplier Amazon should introduce a program. Make it easy to open without damage.
For obvious reasons you cannot reuse any type of packaging without complete sanitation which of course would be restrictively costly and impractical. The current recycling program available everywhere is by far the best option for paper products.
better question--why are you buying from Amazon which is notorious for human labor exploitation and waste when you should try to buy locally. You're the guilty user.
@@ardeladimwit: I think I can answer that question - 1/ local unavailability, 2/ infirmity and/or age, 3/ no access to transportation - I’m sure there’s more but that should cover many tens of millions of people. Also, every time a company creates a successful business model - McDonalds, Walmart, Subway, whatever - we hear that same old song and dance about labor exploitation from people who didn’t realize they would be expected to actually do some work when they were hired. Did you know there are States where employers can still legally pay some workers $2.75/hr in one of the world’s wealthiest countries? I earned more than that 50 years ago, so who’s the exploitation enabler here?
@@rayray8687 ooooh, that doesn't actually directly answer why somebody buys off Amazon which is internationally notorious for labor exploitation and is well-documented for it. You can make up as many answers as you please, but somebody who is somewhat conscientious would try to source or buy things locally. It's why US sucks so bad now.
5992 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL , The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests. HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops. Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
Great video! I retired from the design/engineering industry where I worked on many “paper mill projects yet I still learned from this video. I’ve always lived in the paper belt…we’re surrounded by pine forests, and I plant about 500 trees a year on my own property. This industry takes a toll on our highways and local roads…I probably have 50-60 loads of pine pass my house daily!
Then you know the TRUTH satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL , The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests. HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops. Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
Yes, cardboard and corrugated packaging are different, although they are related and sometimes used interchangeably in everyday language. Here's the distinction between the two: Cardboard Packaging: Material: Cardboard is a generic term that refers to a heavy, thick paperboard or paper-like material. It is often made from paper pulp, which can be single-layered or multi-layered. Appearance: Cardboard is typically smooth and flat on both sides. It can come in various thicknesses and is often used for items like cereal boxes, shoeboxes, or thin packaging. Strength: Cardboard is less durable and less resistant to moisture and damage compared to corrugated materials. It's suitable for lightweight products and short-term use. ------------ Corrugated Packaging: Material: Corrugated packaging is made from corrugated paperboard, which consists of three layers: an inside liner, an outside liner, and a corrugated (fluted) medium sandwiched between them. The corrugated medium is what gives it its distinctive wavy appearance. Appearance: Corrugated packaging has a wavy or ribbed appearance due to the corrugated medium. It is known for its strength and durability. Strength: Corrugated packaging is significantly stronger and more resilient than regular cardboard. It provides better protection for items during shipping and handling. It is often used for shipping boxes, packaging materials, and heavy-duty containers. In summary, while both cardboard and corrugated materials are made from paper and used for packaging, corrugated packaging is a specific type of cardboard that offers increased strength and durability due to its layered, corrugated structure. The choice between the two depends on the specific packaging requirements, with corrugated packaging being the preferred option for heavier or more delicate items that need added protection.
Now which one is better sneak into a military based? And on a more serious note, thanks for making the clarification and discrimination of the two. And they used to said nuance is dead.
Seeing a ramp/lift type machine just effortlessly tip over a 40 foot container + truck filled with cargo at a near 90 degrees. Just blew my mind. Holly crap😮
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one trippin on that 😂. All im wondering is what is holding it from sliding back? Air breaks will keep the wheels from ever spinning but the grip of the tires shouldn't be great enough to do this right? As a truck driver I'm genuinely curious there has to be something holding it. Iv seen trucks slide back breaks fully locked up on much less steep grades
I work in the paper industry at the printing company JS McCarthy in Maine. This is a very cool video. I belive International Paper got bought out by sylvamo if I’m not mistaken. My grandfather worked for IP at the mill in Jay Maine. Really cool to see this video for others to see how our paper is made
07:47 "the largest box I ever made was.... For a washing machine." That was a letdown 😂 I was imagining a football field sized box leading up to that answer.
The craziest part about this whole video to me is that they tip the whole freakin truck with a machine at 0:51. They probably don't allow people in the drivers seat during that but it would certainly be a fun ride.
I used to work at a cardboard factory, used a lot of the same machines as international paper, favorite part was the recycling, every bit of scrap or reject got shredded and remade into paper.
My mother works for the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC, the bubbly tree logo on the left at the end) and one of the biggest things they're struggling with in the US is brand recognition. Please take a look for these logos on your paper products, it can seriously make a difference.
9288 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL , The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests. HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops. Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
I do the twice yearly shutdowns at Oji Fibre Solutions Kinleith pulp & paper mill in New Zealand, it was once the largest pulp & paper mill in the Southern Hemisphere, though replacing a lot of the equipment with newer modern technology has since I'm sure relegated that title to another mill. I've always had a fascination with the site and what it does as my family specifically on my fathers side has been doing some sort of work out at that specific site for decades, so to see this video makes me so happy that I will finally be able to share with my friends the scale of industry that pulp and paper products is.
Yea from what I can see, hemp is better for paper in every way. Better for the environment, 400-1000% more yield per unit land, stronger fiber (more recycling cycles), etc... But illegal because the "war on drugs."
I worked for a large life insurance company around 20 years ago. I remember being told that the company was one of the largest owners of timberland in the US because of its long term rate of return as an investment for its life insurance policies.
It depends on the facilities and their capabilities. I'm sure cost of or challenges of running the required machinery play a part in it. Local municipalities might not be able to afford it all unlike these corporations that specialize in it.
I worked for a competitor who was 100% recycled for their paper and they could not because of the grease/oil absorbed into the fibers. They wouldn't stick to each other when rolling out the water and would tear out. Their cleaning process with steam/hot water may also have something to do with it. Ours was made into pulp in ambient temperature water(cold/room temperature) which uses less energy and natural resources.
Yeah it’s the grease. 🤷♂️ Best to compost those if you can. Many pizzas I order now actually come with a nice piece of parchment underneath that keeps the grease off the box-and now I’m able to recycle most all of them I get these days.
I cut the greasy bits out and add them to casseroles and soups. You get a lovely hint of pizza and lignum on the pallette. Even ketchup sachets and plastic pots for dips can be collected, and when you have enough add to a pot of simmering mountain dew... Reduce and you get a really delicious glaze for meats and sandwiches.
I had a feeling this was going to be about IP. I prefer their paper products in my design business and in my first job, we supplied accounting software to one of their major locations. Totally professional to work with when they had computer issues, too.
That’s exactly the solution for 95% of our paper products. Virgin wood pulp will still likely be preferred for some things though. The only reason it’s not already done on mass(since it’s the most logical and profitable thing) is because of anti-competitive practices from then wood and petrochemical industries. Even if the hemp paper ISN’T recycled(and it can be up to 8 times), it’s still endlessly better for the environment/everyone than recycled wood pulp products.
Not yet it can't. It is more expensive to cultivate and manufacture and does not provide the same finished characteristics once finished. I know, because I work in the industry and have done testing with the a well known college that actually teaches paper engineering (yes, that's a thing). It provided a very poor print surface, was hard on the equipment, and provided a much lower quality product. It may become viable in time, but that time is not now.
I was going to say this. Six weeks and we would have better paper products that last longer. But that makes too much sense. They don't like losing profit. Common sense is not common.
@@theoregontruckerT880 a shite tonne of rules and regs are why hemp isnt used plus it was made illegal for decades right after they invented a way to mass process the hemp. do some research next time
i work for Voith, a german company producing the papermachines from scratch for every customer. i work worldwide as a service technician and saw alot of paper mills. but i have to say this one here seems quite big. its a very interesting industrie and paper making a very complex procedure
IP is a massive corporation, with its fingers in so many aspects of paper its mind boggling. I started my career with them, learned more with them than any other company, and it opened tons of doors later on. Some lifelong relationships were developed there as well, stemming from amazing long term employees and people willing to go above and beyond.
I used to work on a factory just like this in south Brazil, company called Klabin, exactly the same process, except the cleaning, the plant i used to work was absolute clean from the very first part to the end aaaaan we made more energy then we used, so we sell what was left over to the city Strange to see that we in Brazil have a better process, i always though the US had better factorys Also, 100% of the wood used was certified
how did u make energy to sell?what does certified mean?cleanliness doesnt mean better?idk how u could bring in trees and turn into cardboard and be clean from start to finish lol is ur factory just a recycling one or what ...but im glad u guys are taking carfe of the planet for all of us..brazil doing that is vital for all of us
As someone who knows a bit about forestry, it annoys me to hear people use the amount of carbon in the forest as a benefit to the environment. What that means is that there are a lot of dead and old trees. This creates an extremely ripe environment for forest fires. When an area of trees is cut down, the branches are swept up and burnt in the rainy season so that there isn't a wildfire that destroys everything. Although both have carbon emissions, the wildfires are just worse. Obviously there's a lot of neuance like location. If the forest is in Canada, it's much less likely to catch on fire. But if it's in California, if the forest isn't maintained with controlled burns, it's a matchbox made in hell. California has many I'll informed people, and that is why it's always on fire.
I made bales of cardboard at work as well as clothes, what I noticed was if you put enough cardboard on the ends it acts like plywood and holds everything a lot tighter. It's amazing how small and heavy they can get.
6:07 Here in UK our councils say we cannot put pizza boxes in recycling, even pizza boxes from store freezers where the pizza is shrink wrapped and doesn't touch the cardboard, if spotted in our bins we get a sticker on the bin and it won't be emptied that week.
Gotta love how the idea of decreasing consumption or finding alternatives to such an energy and resource intensive process isn't even considered in the realm of possibility in these videos.
what do you mean infinite growth isn't sustainable?? Get off that beta mindset and pillage the earth for every scrap you can take like the true alphas of the world
Exactly, whatever happened to hemp?? But the truth is that most deforestation is a result of consuming animals, as the land it takes to raise domestic animals constitutes the vast majority of agriculture, and the largest contributor to deforestation, by far, is agriculture. So there is something that people need to decrease their consumption of, but that would make people really lose their minds screaming about "mah freedom".
@@orangeyewglad Literally zero forests have been "deforested" due to agriculture around me. Most domestic farms like ranches are on flat plains due to large grazing areas lol. You should ask yourself why there are no state funded orchards or why the state goes around and cuts them out of forests.
@@orangeyewglad The whole "everyone should go vegan" thing is just class warfare. Rich people want you to eat gruel while they shop at Whole Foods. Also cardboard is incredibly efficient, very recycled, and it uses... trees, which are an infinitely renewable resource. So your complaints aren't about "efficiency", your complaints are "man they're doing a lot of stuff and I've decided that's bad for the environment." Take that attitude and go live in the forest by yourself.
Although hemp would be a non native species fully replacing native forests with farmlands and require much higher annual labor rates to maintain, while limiting the production only to full scale farming operations, thereby corporatizing land ownership even more.
I remember actually looking at cardboard and realising that it's a layer of brown zig zag paper sandwiched between to layers of brown paper. It was in that moment I became impressed.
My Engineering buddies in 1995 oversaw the zero pollution upgrades to the three pulp mills in BC Canada: Fletcher-Challenge (New Zealand), Crown Zellerbach (USA), and MacMillan-Bloedel (Canada). All material goes into the mix, all is used. So the pallets, shrink wrap, evreything must be in the soup!! And the price of boxes tripled for the consumer. We sold all the old mill stuff to that billionaire Chinese lady and shipped it to China. Mills in Dryden, Fort Frances, and Thunder Bay Ontario closed forever.
I was thinking just that. My town says NO PIZZA boxes with any sort of grease stains. Yet the lady in the video said pizza boxes were fine even with food in them. If everything gets pulped wouldn't any impurities be filtered out? Confusing to say the least. I won't be paying a fine at my local level for trying to recycle something that can though. Mixed messages...
Reforestation is great however as an incoming environmental scientist the processes of harvesting a forest nukes the local soil in a way were it won’t be able to return to its old consistency/quality for thousands of years
Which is why dedicated tree farms, loblolly or slash plantations, are valuable. Instead of "nuking" the soil here, there, and everywhere, the soil is only disturbed once every 15-30 years, over and over and over again in the same spot. It's not as bad as normal industrial agriculture fields; heavy equipment only enters a given timber stand acreage maybe 4-5 times over 30 years. Herbicides may only be used once or twice over that same time frame. I would wager over 95% of current timberlands were once heavily abused agricuture fields, and the local nutrients were burned through in 50-100 years, and left abandoned/fallow. And then pine trees started to grow in, because pines are very tolerant to poor soil conditions (draughty sandy soils, or poorly rained mucks, and nutrient depleted due to intensive agriculure practices during the 1800s and 1900s).
I'm not so sure what she said about the "myth" that pizza boxes with grease on them is right. The recycling center I take my recycling to does not accept them. They also don't accept cardboard with any glossy finish or coating which I've seen on some pizza boxes. I used to work an hour north of where I live and the recycling service there had the same rules.
I'd sooner trust someone with experience doing the actual recycling than a collection company whose sole purpose is to repackage the recyclable material and sell it to industries....
The rep speaking at the mill might not have been speaking for the entire industry. It might be that her specific mill, with a limited radius of gathering, has the "proprietary" process to enable this.
It depends on the equipment of your local recycling center. I live in a pretty rural place so we don't even have recycle for residential customers. Only businesses recycle up here.
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where they went to a box factory and across the street was a candy factory or something like that and the kids were bummed were not there instead...except Milhouse lol
I'm glad they try to reduce and reuse as much as they can! I wonder if companies who rip down trees to build a development or something sell the trees to this or similar companies, as opposed to just taking them to the landfill? And what happens to all of the branches they take off of the trees when logging? I hope they get reused efficiently and effectively. And I'm glad forests in Maryland are doing better! One step forward, right?
It depends on how big the trees are. they can get sold for lumber, paper, firewood or mulch. (pretty much in order of size.) Taking them to a landfill would cost money, so that would be unusual. Burning the slash in place is more likely. but even that would be throwing money away, unless they're in a big hurry.
Emily, if you need an example look up Wildlight Florida. Rayonier, a land company, sold a few thousand acres near the FL/GA border to build a whole new area. Rayonier also operates a paper mill. Leftover bark from pine trees being debarked are often taken to a landfill to use as a landfill cap because it decomposes. Also you can take that bark, the branches and smaller trees to run through a drum grinder which makes an almost mulch consistency. I used to work for a foreign wood chip company that took wood chips from paper mills thats not good to make paper products and exported them overseas via a ship. 40,000 metric tons loaded 6-8 sometimes 10 times a year so thats about half the size of the 100,000 ton pile on this video
For trees that are harvested during land development, 99% of the time they are sent to sawmills and other facilities to produce lumber, OSB, cardboard, poles and other wood/paper products. Any branches, leaves, unmerchantable trees, and other "slash" from harvesting are left behind so that those nutrients return to the soil when decomposed, and reduce soil erosion from rainwater. I've never heard of trees going to a landfill after being cut.
Every bit of the tree is used- Pine: the tree is de-limbed, then, based upon size used for lumber or to make pulp. The limbs and any remaining portion are then run through a chipper, which produces a small woodchip which the mills use for fuel inside the mill itself, or some power plants will utilize it to make electricity for the grid. Hardwoods: Used for either lumber or chips.
If you work for a big business that ships physical products, you can save your company tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars by having in-house cardboard recycling. our company spent less than 10k on the machinery, but it saves us up to 20 USD per unit sold.
Why the hell would we do that? Oh I get it, we should just do whatever the hell we want and not worry about how we're impacting the planet because "one day scientists will fix the problem so why worry about the present??" Is that what you say about human suffering? That it doesn't matter because it might get better eventually?
I mean, it's not a forest, it's a tree farm. That "man this isn't a good forest" is a weird complaint. It's a tree farm. It's not supposed to be idyllic or have a bunch of critters. It's supposed to grow trees. This is literally how farms for everything works.
@@orangeyewglad I love how people panic when you suggest this and almost always say "we should just do whatever the hell we want" as if the idea is entirely nonsense. We are already doing it, just unintentionally. This would be intentionally. And no, I'm not making a call to a higher power called "Scientists" because that would be the same nonsense as environmentalists making a religious call to a higher power called "nature" as if it is God and can save us. It's the same nonsense. What I'm saying is we are not going to change our nature. That was a delusional idea from the start. So, we must take the bad trend we've started and adapt it into a good trend. No one will save us. But blame won't save us either.
@@danlorett2184 You're right, but that doesn't mean we can't improve tree farms. Everything can be improved. Climate change isn't going to be avoided by changing human nature. Even if we fully remove our consumption of fossil fuels, passive heat generation will still get us. The only way to "save the climate" is to modify it so it can endure human activities. And that's no small feat. For now though intelligent people are still deluded, hoping that the "easier path" of changing human nature and turning us into 100% efficient systems will still work. And that shows you how dumb intelligent people can be. This is a global issue and it's going to need engineering at the global scale. That was always going to be the case. Emissions redactions are a drop in the bucket.
I worked for one of their competitors. They approach forest management by actually owning the land they harvest from. That way it is guaranteed that they do not use more than what they plant. Their practice is to replant 25% more than they use and the 25% is mixed soft and hardwood trees. If you are wondering who buys those cut over lands from private owners, it is their competitor. They owned enough land in 2012 to manufacture paper board and corregated without depleting even one tree. They manage it by what they will use in a year and the growth rate of the trees. They simple explanation was, they harvest the trees off of 40 acres this year, 25 years from now, they will still be harvesting that same 40 acres of trees because they have been replaced by then. The waste and debark is sold as mulch instead of burned. They also use recycled board in their pulp. They started this program in the 1940's.
GHGs from coal and GHGs from 30-year-old lumber are two totally different types of GHGs. The carbon from the lumber will take 30 years to be reclaimed (by the new growth forest). The carbon from the coal has no direct way of getting re-captured. Producing 75% of the plant's energy on-site is incredible.
Im lucky that my country has requirments for reforestation after cutting. And the fact you cant just create a flat lot of parking on your private land without making sure there is adequate wildland left
Plastic would be fine if we made plastic packaging reusable and actually did reuse it hundreds of times (very difficult to reuse cardboard packaging without outright recycling it). The problem with either material is that there is no incentive to reuse (or even better, eliminate) packaging, and recycling is lossy and energy-intensive
"Without extracting value from our property, it becomes a cost, and we can't afford to own it so we will sell it to a farmer" In order for forestland owners to afford owning the forest, they have to manage it in a way that they can get value from it. When they harvest timber from their property, they get an injection of cash that they can use a portion of to reforest their property. Maybe 1/4 to 1/2, depending on the size, of the value of a timber sale goes back into reforesting the property.
Fantastic article that merely scratches the surface of the extensive recycling and upcycling efforts within a modern paper mill. For instance, black liquor isn't just burned; it's also used to produce black liquor soap, which is refined into tall oil rosin for various products. While the 30% figure for sustainable forestry practices may seem low, it's a vast improvement from the near 0% when I began my career in the mid-90s. Achieving 30% in 30 years signifies a significant commitment and progress in the forest's lifecycle. Moreover, it's noteworthy that 60% of the liner board and corrugated medium now originate from recycled or sustainably managed fiber sources. Can more be done? Absolutely, but let's acknowledge the substantial progress that has already been made. :D
I really feel left aside hearing and seeing several testimonies from people on profits they make from Bitcoin/Forex Investment... Can someone recommend a good expert that trade on my behalf and generate profit for me.
This is wild. This video popped up on my feed 2 days ago and I decided just to skip through it a little. Yesterday I was driving from florida to Indiana and randomly drove past that massive pile of logs.
Reduce/reuse/recycle For example, if have non urgent items to get from Amazon, I’ll keep turn in my cart for a free days, as I often remember ‘something else’. After a free days I submit the order, and that will almost always result in less shipping boxes being used.
The way I look at it, it's recyclable to have tree farms. It's biodegradable, it helps the environment, and it creates tons of jobs! It has so many different uses throughout the industry
"Why don't you like to use the word Cardboard" - "Because it isn't cardboard" Thank you Mike Soelke. And "Corrugated Packaging" isn't what is made there either. It's Linerboard and Corrugated Medium. The corrugated packaging is what is made in a box plant. Linerboard has various thicknesses, water absorbancy and ring crush test parameters to name just a few. They are very specific grades of paper, made for very specific designs of boxes. You don't and can't afford to over engineer a box, and you can't afford to under engineer a box either. Imagine the difference between a paper bag and a thick piece of liner board. Both are made with the same type of fiber (unbleached, kraft fiber) but the paper bag, if set on the wet ground, would likely dump your whole bag of groceries out because the paper it isn't as well protected from water. A Linerboard sheet, may not even easily succumb to a sharp knife poked at it. Which is why places like Costco want you to put your materials in old boxes instead of paper bags. When making products such as bags for concrete, you do need very special types of paper, that can resist water and tearing and often have an additional coating inside of them. A mill like Rome, GA probably has close to 60 grades of paper that they make. Other "packaging mills" make food containers, soda boxes, coffee bags, high quality printable boxes (think of an Apple Computer box) etc Calling this paper cardboard is maybe like calling a hot dog a Sandwich. If you don't really understand the nuances, they are just simplify it to the simplest thing possible.
water yes electricity/oil not really. Most mills make it's own electricity and the water used is cleaned and returned cleaner than it was before it was removed .
He's right about them being tree farms instead of forests. I've been to two man-made forests which were planted with at least 2-3 different of species of trees. The first noticeable thing when you're in the man-made forests is it's very quiet. You hardly hear any animal sounds in them. It's because it lacks diversity that is necessary to support a functioning animal ecosystem which itself is also very diverse.
My area is a major pulp and lumber supplier in N.America. It’s so easy to tell natural vs artificial areas, because prey animals and even scavengers stay clear of the artificial areas.
There is nearly zero ground cover & food supplies for bugs, and that makes it nearly unliveable for the larger animals.
It's a forest, not an animal preserve.
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@@DakotaActually It isn't a forest, that's the point. It's a farm. Calling it a forest is like calling a cornfield a prairie
and cardboard is not essential either bamboo plaques have been used instead of cardboard it last longer the plants regrow faster
Michael Scott's paper company can recycle more than 7 times
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And it’s still wasteful and terrible. Hemp can also be recycled and it’s cheaper, faster, easier, greener, and doesn’t destroys miles of trees, old growth forests, and ecosystems.
Edit: imagine actually getting perturbed over my comment. But: “Paper Made from Hemp Can Be Recycled More Times: Plus, hemp paper can be recycled up to 8 times, while wood pulp paper only up to 3 times.” -Whatishemp
@@OddWoz bruh, this is so unrelated. You are in no place, education or industry wise, to claim that. You can have an opinion, but you don't need to share it.
@@geoffrey6000 so yours also meets that criteria. You can hold on to your “unnecessary” comments just as easily.
I’d argue mine’s much more related to “How the Worlds Largest Paper Company Makes Cardboard”
@@robertlee6338 Hemp also requires very specific types of machinery, tech., and processes unique to hemp. It doesn't present itself as a placebo unless you're a contrarian and believe ANY solution other than this main one is @The Answer to ALL the Questions!
This is the first time in literally years of my life that I've seen reporting on a subject that is this unbiased. Really pleasant to watch.
This is how documentaries should be! Not everything has to be dramatized. :)
Yes this is much more in the style of UK Documentary making, it's refreshing to see something concise and informative on North American Industry
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Yeah when they said it’s highly productive or exploited depending on who you ask really shows how they won’t just say one side
Yes and no. Multiple members of my family worked at a paper mill. This video still makes the error of focusing on carbon emissions and not the pollution caused by the paper mill. Carbon emissions being a real problem is a lie. The carbon dioxide level is 0.04% of the air. If the carbon dioxide level rises, trees and such will absorb more carbon dioxide and grow bigger, thus removing the excess carbon dioxide from the environment. They actually pump carbon dioxide into marijuana grow houses to encourage the growth and yield of the marijuana plants. Global warming is a grift. They have improved the smell of paper mills substantially, but the problem with paper mills is the waste water which has nasty chemicals in it. (they talked about the chemical use in the video) They dump waste water into streams and rivers which causes all kinds of damage. Global warming is a way to hinder YOU from doing what you want to do while distracting you from these polluting companies. (look here, not there, you're the problem, you need to stop driving your car) There is a documentary called "Company Town" (2016) which was made about the mill my family worked at.
Great article which only scratches the surface of how much recycling and upcycling occurs in a modern paper mill. For example, the black liquor is not only burned; black liquor soap is recovered and refined into tall oil rosin which is used to make many products. As for the sustainable forestry practices, while 30% is a “low” number, the number was near 0% when I started my career in the mid-90’s. Considering the life cycle of a forest, getting to 30% in 30-yrs represents significant commitment and progress. It also means that 60% of the liner board and corrugated medium now comes from recycled or sustainably managed fiber sources! Can more de done? Absolutely but let’s not disregard the progress that has been made.
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This guy gets it. I work in the powerhouse department of an IP mill which also encompasses the tall oil portion of the plant. It's well known the tall oil alone pays everyone in the departments salary.
I think this may be called a "video" rather than an article.
@@slippinjimmy897 It is an article of video journalism.
@@nalgene247 I am aware of what journalism is. I never said it wasn't journalism. It isn't an article. An article is very specifically a written form of journalism. Just look up the definition.
I work for a company that makes exclusively recycled linerboard. In the industry, that's the smooth outside sheet of your corrugated box, as opposed to the corrugating medium.
Great to see this detailed documentary.
"What is my purpose?"
LONDON, HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL ,
The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats
One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests.
HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops.
Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
That's awesome! Working in recycled linerboard must give you a unique perspective on sustainability in packaging. What’s the biggest challenge you face in producing recycled materials compared to non-recycled ones?
Thank you Katie for letting me know that I can put food stained or taped boxes in recycling, or the dreaded plastic window envelopes! You rock!
I was always taught pizza boxes were a no-no, that was a surprise to find out too
1. You can take tape off as well as those plastic "windows"... if that prevented you prior, then you're just lazy.
2. Food stains would not effect recycling. Never has for cardboard/paper. Plastic is another story.....
@@K177urLeaders "You can take tape off as well as those plastic "windows"... if that prevented you prior, then you're just lazy." and your point is?
@kenmore01 you're lazy or at least were lazy.
@darnellkestrel9501 I know owners of our local recycling plant. You're wrong. I'm glad you read something somewhere though. Kudos to you
75% of their energy use being produced on site seems pretty incredible.
Exactly. I visited a mill that produces 60% of it's own. The other 40% came from a local hydroelectric utility
The 🌎 is incredible.
not really if it's burning the bark for that power to run electrical machines.
better ways than that, pretty unenvironmental practices disguised as doing the right thing... :/
75% is quite nothing in newer mills where external energy is used to start the mill. After starting, the energy goes surplus and is sold to the national grid.
@@GregHighPressure Unfortunately, that is untrue. After debarking, the bark is pressed, dried and burnt in a fluidized bed boiler. This ensures quite low emissions with high efficiency. The flue gas can be recirculated as heat, but after that, it is filtered, washed and then released. The result is mostly water vapour, but of course, some harmful emissions, but not in the range of what they have been in the past.
I work for international paper and we do take waste and recycling seriously it's a great company to work for and just the one machine I work on alone makes about 1,000,000+boxes a week on average
Well, environmentalists look like they are never satisfied.
And thus playing the game of the Corporations in getting The People used to live under-graded lives with very little improvement in comfort due to so-called shortages.
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Said shortages mainly due to poor management, lack of investment, funding and maintenance.
Etc.
Worked at IP Gilroy Container 20yrs. I would disagree! EVERY hourly employee is miserable! From 40yr vets to 2yr new hires. Place was run like a sweatshop 12hrs a day 6-7 day weeks crazy strict attendance policy and pay that’s just barely livable. In fact the only way you really make money is OT and lack of the time to spend and enjoy it.
@@donald8607 it was like that I heard but the container plant I work at is not like that I heard it used to be in fact I had my days of working 12hour six day weeks in stretches but it was only to cover somebody what we do now were I'm at is a 24/7 rotation schedule with gaurunteed off days and every other weekend off and ot is voluntarily don't get me wrong they not perfect but before I started working for them I use to detail cars making 11 an hour now I'm making about 25 an hour and my IP job is easier but they do have they days
Hi can you, guys do R&D on coffee waste to be used in your factories to make cardboards or some other type of paper.
Why not use bamboo? It would grow a hell of a lot faster and get the same results.
My dad was the General Sales Manager for the south east division of IP when I was growing up. He's since past away in 2019 but I have all of his International Paper stuff, coffee mugs, hats, lots of things like that.
1:36 Alex Singleton is my dad ☺️ I love visiting the paper mill and always loved riding with my dad to visit tree sites and replant trees
I wouldn't mind a follow-up video with your dad and the guy who was complaining that tree farms are not forests. Obviously it's complicated (ecosystems always are), but if we accept that some areas should be reserved for natural growth, and other areas will be tree farms, what can we do on the tree farm side to make them more like forests?
Would it help much to simply have a certain percentage of trees in a tree farm that are designed to be permanent? Would it be economically viable to plant farmed & permanent trees in suburbia or cropland?
@@WilliamDye-willdye alot of tree farms are actually forests. i have many around me in the south east, and theres wildlife everywhere.
Hes my uncle. I like the fact that hes so experienced but still a total rookie with his hi viz falling off of him. Keep up the good work uncle A !
Farming trees is the same as vegetable farming , good for the earth and cleaning our air
@@WilliamDye-willdye I would guess that creating smaller slices in a larger farm that are cultivated (annually? Biannually?) so that the area being displlaced in any cut is much smaller area, and then the animals living there would have much more area nearby they can rehome in, rather than massive clear cut farms that displace large numbers of animals simultaneously. Hoping there are some good researchers finding ways to create more biodiverse farms.
"It's highly productive or highly exploited depending on who you ask." I love that sentence.
Also, only 30% of the Wood used by International Paper is certified. That's not much and I would have liked to know more why that is. Keep it up.
Supply & demand is the answer. Until the demand is high, there is no incentive for smaller independent tree farmers like us to go to the trouble to become certified. We see no mills in our area requiring or paying more for trees that are "certified".
Literally not required so nobody does it
@kirkharris8729 is right. There really is no financial incentive for smaller, family landowners to participate in the certification programs - especially when they might harvest timber once/twice in their lifetime. Even larger timber companies have historically opted out of certifying their forests because of all the added paperwork, auditing, and management restrictions. With demand for certified wood increasing overseas, however, these mills will have to start incentivizing suppliers to keep up with demand.
It’s definitely highly productive, and not nearly exploited enough. There are millions of acres of unmanaged natural regeneration which is just as terrible for wildlife as a plantation.
its because the other 70 percent is 'not certified'
As someone who grew up in the southeastern pines, one of the reasons it's 20% of our paper and pulp products is because it's private land.
The west is home to the largest percentage of federal land in the US and many of its forest grow longer because of it.
Literally just got to the spot in the video that mentions this lol
The northwest used to be our biggest producer of trees, but this video was about the southeastern states. Interesting.
I think this was a great review of recycling and an explanation of where we get our paper products from
Truely. If anything will lead to more recycling of boxes.
Appreciate that you provide a critical note instead of just a commercial for the paper industry.
Not critical enough, though. I feel like there isn't enough of an accent on how dead their tree farms are, how much CO2 they emit (they only present it as one process being BETTER than another, but they don't provide numbers and proper context to understand how damaging the industry if), and they just glance over the chemicals used to remove lignin - what that mix is, how it's secured, etc. And again - they burn chemicals too.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 woah slow down there sherlock. If you are soooooo interested you can google it. This is just an educational youtube video on cardboard that provides two different viewpoints. Stop being so critical of something you obviously dont understand and take for granted.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 but the trees have stored that carbon their selves over the 30 years of growth. then they are burned and a new set of trees over 30 years will absorb that carbon. so no new carbon is entered into the atmosphere. and all the carbon in the boxes is stored until it goes back into the landfill. It really isn't as bad as you think.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 Well, environmentalists look like they are never satisfied.
And thus playing the game of the Corporations in getting The People used to live under-graded lives with very little improvement in comfort due to so-called shortages.
🤔
Said shortages mainly due to poor management, lack of investment, funding and maintenance.
Etc.
@@beckstheimpatient4135I bet you have an Amazon prime account. You order and use this stuff just like everyone else. Leftist hypocrisy
I worked at various IP mills in my career and I would always ask what was the oddest things they would see come out of the recycle bales.
Top 3:
1. A straight 4 engine block
2. Manhole covers
3. Bowling pins/Bowling balls
Not mentioned in the video is that every box also has an ECT (Edge Crush Test) rating. I was the person who did that testing at the Aurora (Montgomery) Knell Rd. plant IP factory that was Willamette Industries when I started there back in the day.
very cool!
90434 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS
HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL ,
The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats
One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests.
HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops.
Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
Dunder Mifflin is the best paper company in the world
Minion paper.
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While they have the resources of a large company, they will give you the care and attention of a small company.
I recently bought a couple of products and the packaging was plain cardboard with minimal mono black ink labelling clearly aimed at recycling it's good to see some companies considering the renewablilty of there packaging. I hope more of the big corporates start adopting the same policy. What would be even more ideal is to make it possible to leave packaging at your door so when the delivery drivers come they can take it back to the supplier Amazon should introduce a program. Make it easy to open without damage.
For obvious reasons you cannot reuse any type of packaging without complete sanitation which of course would be restrictively costly and impractical. The current recycling program available everywhere is by far the best option for paper products.
better question--why are you buying from Amazon which is notorious for human labor exploitation and waste when you should try to buy locally. You're the guilty user.
@@ardeladimwit: I think I can answer that question - 1/ local unavailability, 2/ infirmity and/or age, 3/ no access to transportation - I’m sure there’s more but that should cover many tens of millions of people. Also, every time a company creates a successful business model - McDonalds, Walmart, Subway, whatever - we hear that same old song and dance about labor exploitation from people who didn’t realize they would be expected to actually do some work when they were hired. Did you know there are States where employers can still legally pay some workers $2.75/hr in one of the world’s wealthiest countries? I earned more than that 50 years ago, so who’s the exploitation enabler here?
@@rayray8687 ooooh, that doesn't actually directly answer why somebody buys off Amazon which is internationally notorious for labor exploitation and is well-documented for it. You can make up as many answers as you please, but somebody who is somewhat conscientious would try to source or buy things locally. It's why US sucks so bad now.
5992 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS
HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL ,
The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats
One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests.
HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops.
Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
As a Amazon employee I think I know where most of theses boxes go
One comment and 45 likes let me change that-
@@thor.halsliNo
Where ? Walmart ?
rip all the trees lol
They fill up the landfill and that's no bullshit
Great video! I retired from the design/engineering industry where I worked on many “paper mill projects yet I still learned from this video. I’ve always lived in the paper belt…we’re surrounded by pine forests, and I plant about 500 trees a year on my own property. This industry takes a toll on our highways and local roads…I probably have 50-60 loads of pine pass my house daily!
I know, I’ve lived in Alabama my whole life & you can’t go one day without passing a Logging truck & they tear up the roads!
THATS WHAT THE ROADS ARE FOR...TO BE USED...MADE FROM STONE, AND CARBON...ASS FAULT!
Then you know the TRUTH
satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS
HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL ,
The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats
One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests.
HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops.
Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
@@rrs1550 lay off the mich ultra grandpa
8:08 that's gotta be the most satisfying piece of equipment in the whole facility.
Yes, cardboard and corrugated packaging are different, although they are related and sometimes used interchangeably in everyday language. Here's the distinction between the two:
Cardboard Packaging:
Material: Cardboard is a generic term that refers to a heavy, thick paperboard or paper-like material. It is often made from paper pulp, which can be single-layered or multi-layered.
Appearance: Cardboard is typically smooth and flat on both sides. It can come in various thicknesses and is often used for items like cereal boxes, shoeboxes, or thin packaging.
Strength: Cardboard is less durable and less resistant to moisture and damage compared to corrugated materials. It's suitable for lightweight products and short-term use.
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Corrugated Packaging:
Material: Corrugated packaging is made from corrugated paperboard, which consists of three layers: an inside liner, an outside liner, and a corrugated (fluted) medium sandwiched between them. The corrugated medium is what gives it its distinctive wavy appearance.
Appearance: Corrugated packaging has a wavy or ribbed appearance due to the corrugated medium. It is known for its strength and durability.
Strength: Corrugated packaging is significantly stronger and more resilient than regular cardboard. It provides better protection for items during shipping and handling. It is often used for shipping boxes, packaging materials, and heavy-duty containers.
In summary, while both cardboard and corrugated materials are made from paper and used for packaging, corrugated packaging is a specific type of cardboard that offers increased strength and durability due to its layered, corrugated structure. The choice between the two depends on the specific packaging requirements, with corrugated packaging being the preferred option for heavier or more delicate items that need added protection.
It’s still the same
Oh that's fair. Thx for the distinction.
Now which one is better sneak into a military based?
And on a more serious note, thanks for making the clarification and discrimination of the two. And they used to said nuance is dead.
You are close but not quite there. Cardboard is what you would use in a board game. Its really really thick paperboard.
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Seeing a ramp/lift type machine just effortlessly tip over a 40 foot container + truck filled with cargo at a near 90 degrees. Just blew my mind. Holly crap😮
Me too!
Just don't leave a drink in the cup holder!!!
Some truck insurance policies policies won’t cover this too, unless you pay for it.
@@AutoBliss
I am not surprised!
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one trippin on that 😂. All im wondering is what is holding it from sliding back? Air breaks will keep the wheels from ever spinning but the grip of the tires shouldn't be great enough to do this right? As a truck driver I'm genuinely curious there has to be something holding it. Iv seen trucks slide back breaks fully locked up on much less steep grades
I work in the paper industry at the printing company JS McCarthy in Maine. This is a very cool video. I belive International Paper got bought out by sylvamo if I’m not mistaken. My grandfather worked for IP at the mill in Jay Maine. Really cool to see this video for others to see how our paper is made
i thought it went trough dunder mifflin... you learn something new every day...
Yawn
07:47 "the largest box I ever made was.... For a washing machine."
That was a letdown 😂 I was imagining a football field sized box leading up to that answer.
The craziest part about this whole video to me is that they tip the whole freakin truck with a machine at 0:51. They probably don't allow people in the drivers seat during that but it would certainly be a fun ride.
I used to work at a cardboard factory, used a lot of the same machines as international paper, favorite part was the recycling, every bit of scrap or reject got shredded and remade into paper.
I love using the hogger
It is actually just cardboard.
@@OmarRodriguez-vl2tq
It's OCC, buddy. Get it right. ;)
My mother works for the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC, the bubbly tree logo on the left at the end) and one of the biggest things they're struggling with in the US is brand recognition. Please take a look for these logos on your paper products, it can seriously make a difference.
9288 satanic ILLUMINATI . The HEARSTS
HEARST owns most Forests in USA, had HEMP made ILLEGAL ,
The Constitution is written on HEMP. Hemp is MORE economical, does not damage Earth or Natural Habitats
One HEMP Acre of 6 Weeks is equal to 1 acre of 20 year old Forests.
HEMP produces every 6 Weeks. Preserves Mountain Tops.
Equal to 20 years, leaving Mountain tops Bare.
Greetings from Tajikistan to all the people of European countries. I wish you good luck. Come and visit our Republic
I do the twice yearly shutdowns at Oji Fibre Solutions Kinleith pulp & paper mill in New Zealand, it was once the largest pulp & paper mill in the Southern Hemisphere, though replacing a lot of the equipment with newer modern technology has since I'm sure relegated that title to another mill.
I've always had a fascination with the site and what it does as my family specifically on my fathers side has been doing some sort of work out at that specific site for decades, so to see this video makes me so happy that I will finally be able to share with my friends the scale of industry that pulp and paper products is.
Kinleith was the first mill I worked at. Since then I have worked papermills in NZ, China, Canada, Finland and over 20 states in the USA.
What chemicals can you add to the recycling paper to maintain the fibre. There has to be a way
Not a mention of hemp being cheaper, faster to grow, and making better paper isn't surprising :)
because it takes a shit to more grown to match trees
Yea from what I can see, hemp is better for paper in every way. Better for the environment, 400-1000% more yield per unit land, stronger fiber (more recycling cycles), etc... But illegal because the "war on drugs."
Great video....the public needs to see this video!!!
I worked for a large life insurance company around 20 years ago. I remember being told that the company was one of the largest owners of timberland in the US because of its long term rate of return as an investment for its life insurance policies.
I finally get why Jeff Bezos called his business "Amazon"
Because everyone of his overwrapped packages makes it smaller ???
Lmao!😂😂😂
Trees are an abundant renewable resource and there are more trees today than there were 150 years ago
It's interesting to hear that pizza boxes can be recycled because my down won't take them because of the oil. We're told to put them in the trash.
It depends on the facilities and their capabilities. I'm sure cost of or challenges of running the required machinery play a part in it. Local municipalities might not be able to afford it all unlike these corporations that specialize in it.
I worked for a competitor who was 100% recycled for their paper and they could not because of the grease/oil absorbed into the fibers. They wouldn't stick to each other when rolling out the water and would tear out.
Their cleaning process with steam/hot water may also have something to do with it. Ours was made into pulp in ambient temperature water(cold/room temperature) which uses less energy and natural resources.
Yeah it’s the grease. 🤷♂️ Best to compost those if you can. Many pizzas I order now actually come with a nice piece of parchment underneath that keeps the grease off the box-and now I’m able to recycle most all of them I get these days.
I cut off any small parts that have oil and recycle the unsoiled part, then I compost the oily/food contaminated bits.
I cut the greasy bits out and add them to casseroles and soups. You get a lovely hint of pizza and lignum on the pallette.
Even ketchup sachets and plastic pots for dips can be collected, and when you have enough add to a pot of simmering mountain dew... Reduce and you get a really delicious glaze for meats and sandwiches.
I had a feeling this was going to be about IP. I prefer their paper products in my design business and in my first job, we supplied accounting software to one of their major locations. Totally professional to work with when they had computer issues, too.
The positivity here is heartwarming. Thank you, everyone!
Hemp can replace all cardboard production at a fraction of the land use with a fraction of the water in a fraction of the time
That’s exactly the solution for 95% of our paper products. Virgin wood pulp will still likely be preferred for some things though. The only reason it’s not already done on mass(since it’s the most logical and profitable thing) is because of anti-competitive practices from then wood and petrochemical industries. Even if the hemp paper ISN’T recycled(and it can be up to 8 times), it’s still endlessly better for the environment/everyone than recycled wood pulp products.
@@sjb3460big difference between thc weed and hemp. They could easily do it, they just don’t want to.
People keep saying this, yet actual research shows it isn't nearly as viable as potheads keep saying it is.
@@OutsiderLabs Wrong. I lost the game.
Not yet it can't. It is more expensive to cultivate and manufacture and does not provide the same finished characteristics once finished. I know, because I work in the industry and have done testing with the a well known college that actually teaches paper engineering (yes, that's a thing). It provided a very poor print surface, was hard on the equipment, and provided a much lower quality product. It may become viable in time, but that time is not now.
Hemp grows much faster and produces more cellulose per acre. For far cheaper.
and that is on e of the reasons why it was made illegal
I was going to say this. Six weeks and we would have better paper products that last longer. But that makes too much sense. They don't like losing profit.
Common sense is not common.
Fake news.
If that was true then they would be using it instead of trees
@@theoregontruckerT880 a shite tonne of rules and regs are why hemp isnt used plus it was made illegal for decades right after they invented a way to mass process the hemp.
do some research next time
i work for Voith, a german company producing the papermachines from scratch for every customer. i work worldwide as a service technician and saw alot of paper mills. but i have to say this one here seems quite big. its a very interesting industrie and paper making a very complex procedure
IP is a massive corporation, with its fingers in so many aspects of paper its mind boggling. I started my career with them, learned more with them than any other company, and it opened tons of doors later on. Some lifelong relationships were developed there as well, stemming from amazing long term employees and people willing to go above and beyond.
Yeah hopefully these wonderful corporations are as benevolent as you make them sound
0:02 My very first thought seeing that was, that'll make a heck of a bonfire!
As a Trucker, I have delivered or picked up all of the stages mentioned and was curious about the large paper rolls, so thank you for explaining it.
"You can recycle a pizza box" damn bro that hits hard
I used to work on a factory just like this in south Brazil, company called Klabin, exactly the same process, except the cleaning, the plant i used to work was absolute clean from the very first part to the end aaaaan we made more energy then we used, so we sell what was left over to the city
Strange to see that we in Brazil have a better process, i always though the US had better factorys
Also, 100% of the wood used was certified
Klabin amazing Euka kraftliner, one of the best products in the world!
how did u make energy to sell?what does certified mean?cleanliness doesnt mean better?idk how u could bring in trees and turn into cardboard and be clean from start to finish lol is ur factory just a recycling one or what ...but im glad u guys are taking carfe of the planet for all of us..brazil doing that is vital for all of us
As someone who knows a bit about forestry, it annoys me to hear people use the amount of carbon in the forest as a benefit to the environment. What that means is that there are a lot of dead and old trees. This creates an extremely ripe environment for forest fires. When an area of trees is cut down, the branches are swept up and burnt in the rainy season so that there isn't a wildfire that destroys everything. Although both have carbon emissions, the wildfires are just worse. Obviously there's a lot of neuance like location. If the forest is in Canada, it's much less likely to catch on fire. But if it's in California, if the forest isn't maintained with controlled burns, it's a matchbox made in hell. California has many I'll informed people, and that is why it's always on fire.
I made bales of cardboard at work as well as clothes, what I noticed was if you put enough cardboard on the ends it acts like plywood and holds everything a lot tighter. It's amazing how small and heavy they can get.
When you think about it plywood and paper are basically the same material it's that paper is thinner and uses smaller fibers
Plywood is just unrefined cardboard
Thank you for bringing this knowledge to us, it makes people like me appreciate the natural materials a lot more ♥
6:07 Here in UK our councils say we cannot put pizza boxes in recycling, even pizza boxes from store freezers where the pizza is shrink wrapped and doesn't touch the cardboard, if spotted in our bins we get a sticker on the bin and it won't be emptied that week.
lot of places to make improvements in the industry, but hopefully theyre making steady progress
My grandfather retired from International paper and he would say it smells like money! To this day when we drive by we say the same thing!
Gotta love how the idea of decreasing consumption or finding alternatives to such an energy and resource intensive process isn't even considered in the realm of possibility in these videos.
what do you mean infinite growth isn't sustainable?? Get off that beta mindset and pillage the earth for every scrap you can take like the true alphas of the world
Exactly, whatever happened to hemp?? But the truth is that most deforestation is a result of consuming animals, as the land it takes to raise domestic animals constitutes the vast majority of agriculture, and the largest contributor to deforestation, by far, is agriculture. So there is something that people need to decrease their consumption of, but that would make people really lose their minds screaming about "mah freedom".
@@orangeyewglad Literally zero forests have been "deforested" due to agriculture around me. Most domestic farms like ranches are on flat plains due to large grazing areas lol.
You should ask yourself why there are no state funded orchards or why the state goes around and cuts them out of forests.
@@orangeyewglad The whole "everyone should go vegan" thing is just class warfare. Rich people want you to eat gruel while they shop at Whole Foods.
Also cardboard is incredibly efficient, very recycled, and it uses... trees, which are an infinitely renewable resource. So your complaints aren't about "efficiency", your complaints are "man they're doing a lot of stuff and I've decided that's bad for the environment."
Take that attitude and go live in the forest by yourself.
@@orangeyewgladperhaps you should decrease your consumption
Hemp is not only the solution for sustainable paper production, but also for clothes, insulation and many other products!
Hemp will never completely replace cellulose from trees; its just unfortunately not possible.
People been saying that for like 60 years. If it was true it would be happening
Although hemp would be a non native species fully replacing native forests with farmlands and require much higher annual labor rates to maintain, while limiting the production only to full scale farming operations, thereby corporatizing land ownership even more.
I remember actually looking at cardboard and realising that it's a layer of brown zig zag paper sandwiched between to layers of brown paper. It was in that moment I became impressed.
My Engineering buddies in 1995 oversaw the zero pollution upgrades to the three pulp mills in BC Canada: Fletcher-Challenge (New Zealand), Crown Zellerbach (USA), and MacMillan-Bloedel (Canada). All material goes into the mix, all is used. So the pallets, shrink wrap, evreything must be in the soup!! And the price of boxes tripled for the consumer. We sold all the old mill stuff to that billionaire Chinese lady and shipped it to China. Mills in Dryden, Fort Frances, and Thunder Bay Ontario closed forever.
China will own everything thanks to their economic slaves working for $1 an hour
Check with your local recycler whether you can recycle cardboard with grease or food, like pizza boxes. Most places cannot process that
Pizza boxes can be composted (curbside composting in our town)
I was thinking just that. My town says NO PIZZA boxes with any sort of grease stains. Yet the lady in the video said pizza boxes were fine even with food in them. If everything gets pulped wouldn't any impurities be filtered out? Confusing to say the least. I won't be paying a fine at my local level for trying to recycle something that can though. Mixed messages...
@@glennsilva2631 dont bother. its a pita to do oily cardboard.
Many interesting and important things have been put into boxes over the years. Textiles, other boxes, even children's candy.
Do any of these boxes have candy in them?
Reforestation is great however as an incoming environmental scientist the processes of harvesting a forest nukes the local soil in a way were it won’t be able to return to its old consistency/quality for thousands of years
Sounds like a job for fauci/gates/trump totally safe operation warp speed vaxs
Which is why dedicated tree farms, loblolly or slash plantations, are valuable. Instead of "nuking" the soil here, there, and everywhere, the soil is only disturbed once every 15-30 years, over and over and over again in the same spot. It's not as bad as normal industrial agriculture fields; heavy equipment only enters a given timber stand acreage maybe 4-5 times over 30 years. Herbicides may only be used once or twice over that same time frame. I would wager over 95% of current timberlands were once heavily abused agricuture fields, and the local nutrients were burned through in 50-100 years, and left abandoned/fallow. And then pine trees started to grow in, because pines are very tolerant to poor soil conditions (draughty sandy soils, or poorly rained mucks, and nutrient depleted due to intensive agriculure practices during the 1800s and 1900s).
"As an incoming environmental scientist, I know nothing about forestry or soils but will act like an expert" Man you are perfect for your field.
People always forget about the soil. It’s very neglected, especially in the US.
Most eucaliptus farms in my region use fertilizers to not reduce the productivity and herbicides are not allowed to be used.
there's a forest in Wisconsin Dells that had burned down in a fire and they replanted it in straight lines and it's kinda erie
That's NOT a forest 😢 That's a tree farm 😮
Soo that's where the cardboard we recycle at home depot goes 😯 nice
I'm not so sure what she said about the "myth" that pizza boxes with grease on them is right. The recycling center I take my recycling to does not accept them. They also don't accept cardboard with any glossy finish or coating which I've seen on some pizza boxes. I used to work an hour north of where I live and the recycling service there had the same rules.
I'd sooner trust someone with experience doing the actual recycling than a collection company whose sole purpose is to repackage the recyclable material and sell it to industries....
The rep speaking at the mill might not have been speaking for the entire industry. It might be that her specific mill, with a limited radius of gathering, has the "proprietary" process to enable this.
That’s probably an outdated center. The Japanese figured out a ways back how to deal with that.
It depends on the equipment of your local recycling center. I live in a pretty rural place so we don't even have recycle for residential customers. Only businesses recycle up here.
@@brandongaines1731 It maybe true for the one she's at but the center I take mine to has signs up stating they won't take them.
In the town where I work it's illegal to recycle pizza boxes or anything that was in contact with messy food
Yes, because your local recycling plant cannot process lipids like the grease on the box.
It states the same on our blue recycle bin here in San Diego. It costs too much to clean the food off, I guess. 🤔
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where they went to a box factory and across the street was a candy factory or something like that and the kids were bummed were not there instead...except Milhouse lol
I'm glad they try to reduce and reuse as much as they can! I wonder if companies who rip down trees to build a development or something sell the trees to this or similar companies, as opposed to just taking them to the landfill? And what happens to all of the branches they take off of the trees when logging? I hope they get reused efficiently and effectively. And I'm glad forests in Maryland are doing better! One step forward, right?
branches are left on the site to decompose. in pine forests the branches don't have much mass
It depends on how big the trees are. they can get sold for lumber, paper, firewood or mulch. (pretty much in order of size.) Taking them to a landfill would cost money, so that would be unusual. Burning the slash in place is more likely. but even that would be throwing money away, unless they're in a big hurry.
Emily, if you need an example look up Wildlight Florida. Rayonier, a land company, sold a few thousand acres near the FL/GA border to build a whole new area. Rayonier also operates a paper mill. Leftover bark from pine trees being debarked are often taken to a landfill to use as a landfill cap because it decomposes. Also you can take that bark, the branches and smaller trees to run through a drum grinder which makes an almost mulch consistency.
I used to work for a foreign wood chip company that took wood chips from paper mills thats not good to make paper products and exported them overseas via a ship. 40,000 metric tons loaded 6-8 sometimes 10 times a year so thats about half the size of the 100,000 ton pile on this video
For trees that are harvested during land development, 99% of the time they are sent to sawmills and other facilities to produce lumber, OSB, cardboard, poles and other wood/paper products. Any branches, leaves, unmerchantable trees, and other "slash" from harvesting are left behind so that those nutrients return to the soil when decomposed, and reduce soil erosion from rainwater. I've never heard of trees going to a landfill after being cut.
Every bit of the tree is used-
Pine: the tree is de-limbed, then, based upon size used for lumber or to make pulp. The limbs and any remaining portion are then run through a chipper, which produces a small woodchip which the mills use for fuel inside the mill itself, or some power plants will utilize it to make electricity for the grid.
Hardwoods:
Used for either lumber or chips.
If you work for a big business that ships physical products, you can save your company tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars by having in-house cardboard recycling. our company spent less than 10k on the machinery, but it saves us up to 20 USD per unit sold.
Hey I've always been curious about sites like this....😮
I have never seen a semi truck suspended in air like that.
Unpopular opinion: With enough genetic engineering, we could meet and exceed the quality and diversity of a natural forest.
Why the hell would we do that? Oh I get it, we should just do whatever the hell we want and not worry about how we're impacting the planet because "one day scientists will fix the problem so why worry about the present??" Is that what you say about human suffering? That it doesn't matter because it might get better eventually?
I mean, it's not a forest, it's a tree farm. That "man this isn't a good forest" is a weird complaint. It's a tree farm. It's not supposed to be idyllic or have a bunch of critters. It's supposed to grow trees. This is literally how farms for everything works.
@@orangeyewglad I love how people panic when you suggest this and almost always say "we should just do whatever the hell we want" as if the idea is entirely nonsense.
We are already doing it, just unintentionally. This would be intentionally.
And no, I'm not making a call to a higher power called "Scientists" because that would be the same nonsense as environmentalists making a religious call to a higher power called "nature" as if it is God and can save us. It's the same nonsense.
What I'm saying is we are not going to change our nature. That was a delusional idea from the start. So, we must take the bad trend we've started and adapt it into a good trend.
No one will save us. But blame won't save us either.
@@danlorett2184 You're right, but that doesn't mean we can't improve tree farms. Everything can be improved.
Climate change isn't going to be avoided by changing human nature. Even if we fully remove our consumption of fossil fuels, passive heat generation will still get us.
The only way to "save the climate" is to modify it so it can endure human activities. And that's no small feat.
For now though intelligent people are still deluded, hoping that the "easier path" of changing human nature and turning us into 100% efficient systems will still work. And that shows you how dumb intelligent people can be.
This is a global issue and it's going to need engineering at the global scale. That was always going to be the case. Emissions redactions are a drop in the bucket.
I worked for one of their competitors. They approach forest management by actually owning the land they harvest from. That way it is guaranteed that they do not use more than what they plant. Their practice is to replant 25% more than they use and the 25% is mixed soft and hardwood trees. If you are wondering who buys those cut over lands from private owners, it is their competitor. They owned enough land in 2012 to manufacture paper board and corregated without depleting even one tree. They manage it by what they will use in a year and the growth rate of the trees. They simple explanation was, they harvest the trees off of 40 acres this year, 25 years from now, they will still be harvesting that same 40 acres of trees because they have been replaced by then. The waste and debark is sold as mulch instead of burned. They also use recycled board in their pulp. They started this program in the 1940's.
If you replant 25% more than what you use you end up with overforestation and forest fires that destroy all trees and then you have nothing.
Kinda felt like an add for them at times
Almost like it was meant to
What should they do different so that you don't feel that way?
Gee i wish there was a plant that could replace wood for paper... oh wait its illegal... (hemp)
Hemp was legalized in the 2018 Farmer’s Bill…
Hemp paper is a good idea, but it would take a lot of changing equipment to convert mills to using hemp pulp
GHGs from coal and GHGs from 30-year-old lumber are two totally different types of GHGs. The carbon from the lumber will take 30 years to be reclaimed (by the new growth forest). The carbon from the coal has no direct way of getting re-captured. Producing 75% of the plant's energy on-site is incredible.
I see that this man is in pain (forester Alex S.) In his eyes there is an understanding of what is really happening!
So you are saying that is better to use plastic so we don't need to cut trees?
Dumb comment. Oh so it’s better to drop a bomb on Nagasaki? K
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I live in the midst of these tree farms and the wildlife here is abundant. NW Central FL
Im lucky that my country has requirments for reforestation after cutting. And the fact you cant just create a flat lot of parking on your private land without making sure there is adequate wildland left
Our country, the US, also has requirements. With that said, this is hard to watch…
Trees are a renewable resource, they grow back over and over again.
@@LawF250 Only if you actually let them.
*If you don't keep cutting down trees they just end up burning in forest fires.*
Seeing so much love here is beautiful. God bless you all!
Plastic sucks and now yall saying this is sad.. y'all never satisfied bruh 🤣
Plastic would be fine if we made plastic packaging reusable and actually did reuse it hundreds of times (very difficult to reuse cardboard packaging without outright recycling it). The problem with either material is that there is no incentive to reuse (or even better, eliminate) packaging, and recycling is lossy and energy-intensive
@@brickmackwe reuse boxes in our business
When did they say it was sad?
‘Without cutting trees for cardboard there wouldn’t be forests-wtf
"Without extracting value from our property, it becomes a cost, and we can't afford to own it so we will sell it to a farmer" In order for forestland owners to afford owning the forest, they have to manage it in a way that they can get value from it. When they harvest timber from their property, they get an injection of cash that they can use a portion of to reforest their property. Maybe 1/4 to 1/2, depending on the size, of the value of a timber sale goes back into reforesting the property.
Paper companies manage the forests.
Fantastic article that merely scratches the surface of the extensive recycling and upcycling efforts within a modern paper mill. For instance, black liquor isn't just burned; it's also used to produce black liquor soap, which is refined into tall oil rosin for various products. While the 30% figure for sustainable forestry practices may seem low, it's a vast improvement from the near 0% when I began my career in the mid-90s. Achieving 30% in 30 years signifies a significant commitment and progress in the forest's lifecycle. Moreover, it's noteworthy that 60% of the liner board and corrugated medium now originate from recycled or sustainably managed fiber sources. Can more be done? Absolutely, but let's acknowledge the substantial progress that has already been made. :D
We've gotta stop cutting down so many trees
So use more plastic?
sad tbh
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always with the climate shit. WTF
Excellent! I've learned so much from watching this. Well presented.
Global Warming LOL
This is wild. This video popped up on my feed 2 days ago and I decided just to skip through it a little. Yesterday I was driving from florida to Indiana and randomly drove past that massive pile of logs.
That's some incredible insights into the US home construction industry
It's great to know Pizza boxes can be recycled. I'll start to do so now.
Reduce/reuse/recycle
For example, if have non urgent items to get from Amazon, I’ll keep turn in my cart for a free days, as I often remember ‘something else’. After a free days I submit the order, and that will almost always result in less shipping boxes being used.
I’m in awe of this video.
this was an incredible episode very enjoyable
The way I look at it, it's recyclable to have tree farms. It's biodegradable, it helps the environment, and it creates tons of jobs! It has so many different uses throughout the industry
"Why don't you like to use the word Cardboard" - "Because it isn't cardboard" Thank you Mike Soelke. And "Corrugated Packaging" isn't what is made there either. It's Linerboard and Corrugated Medium. The corrugated packaging is what is made in a box plant. Linerboard has various thicknesses, water absorbancy and ring crush test parameters to name just a few. They are very specific grades of paper, made for very specific designs of boxes. You don't and can't afford to over engineer a box, and you can't afford to under engineer a box either. Imagine the difference between a paper bag and a thick piece of liner board. Both are made with the same type of fiber (unbleached, kraft fiber) but the paper bag, if set on the wet ground, would likely dump your whole bag of groceries out because the paper it isn't as well protected from water. A Linerboard sheet, may not even easily succumb to a sharp knife poked at it. Which is why places like Costco want you to put your materials in old boxes instead of paper bags. When making products such as bags for concrete, you do need very special types of paper, that can resist water and tearing and often have an additional coating inside of them. A mill like Rome, GA probably has close to 60 grades of paper that they make. Other "packaging mills" make food containers, soda boxes, coffee bags, high quality printable boxes (think of an Apple Computer box) etc Calling this paper cardboard is maybe like calling a hot dog a Sandwich. If you don't really understand the nuances, they are just simplify it to the simplest thing possible.
These videos always brighten the day. Keep spreading positivity!
I felt like Bart Simpson visiting the box factory but this was fun to watch
the problem with recycling is it is costly and uses a lot of other valuable resources like clean water and electricity/oil.
water yes electricity/oil not really. Most mills make it's own electricity and the water used is cleaned and returned cleaner than it was before it was removed .
@@michaelarrington988 in what way do they make their own electricity? burning wood?