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The "Gods" of Tower of God
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2023
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What if Shinsu is a kind of medium that both breathes life into Administrators and Shinhueh, while also acting as a medium for the Tower's will itself? What if the Tower is underwater on the Outside?? Share your thoughts and theories!
E se a "torre de Deus" for como um aquário? Isso com certeza explodiria minha cabeça, mas com certeza não me deixaria revoltado, porquê teria muito sentido.
Todos os elementos da torre, como o shinsuo, os monstros e animas da torre... agem como suporte para essa teoria doida e isso é insano
Hey Joe I just wanna say thanks for getting me into tog I rly appreciate it and I love it truly. John 3:16 For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believeth him should not perish,but have everlasting life Pls repent of your sins and turn to the Lord Jesus he took your punishment and he LOVES you hope this helps shalom
I think it is a tower under water, only upside down. That is why the "higher" you go, the denser the Shinsu.
And what if the purpose of the tower is just to grow (like a plant). The familie leaders where suppose to transform into administrators and add new floors. That is why they where gifted immortality. (well, maybe not all of them). That is why they stopped climbing the tower, they couldn't really. Not unless taking the position of administrators.
Because they kept putting it off, the tower is looking for a way to force them or an alternative to be able to grow. (Or maybe it is in the fase of able to produce "fruit/seeds" to be the base of new towers...)
I know this theory would need some work, but I do like it ^^
@@MarijnvdSterre a ideia da torre de cabeça para baixo é muito boa
More likely there is Civil War between Administrators. Part of them support FUG and another support Jahad
I think that Headon and the other Administrators are disappointed in the lack of progress in climbing the tower since it's about 20,000 years since the system was established. Jahad said his son would continue to the climb in his stead, but he has yet to take a Queen and actively sabotaged the Princess of Jahad system to prevent himself from having to marry, because he is still in love with Arlen.
simp
unless jahads son is Rachel
@marcpozzebon1162 oh shit. Maybe he raped Arlene in an act of vengeance or something
I haven't read in a long time, so I dont remember or never learned, but why does the King allow others to ascend? He stopped progress at the top, what does he gain from strangers ascending to him? To gain new followers? Why did he take over testing otherwise?
@@spaceturtle8889Rape is too dark a subject matter for even SIU.
But besides that, if that were the case Rachel would have no reason to be inferior to Bam in any way. She'd be Enne Zahard to the nth degree, she'd be dragging bam and Company along as companions without ever needing to betray any of them.
Then again as a thought experiment when has power made anyone a better person? I'd think she'd be a lot like Tramurie when it comes to Bam. He'd belong to her like he used to and she'd shut out the likes of Khun from ever establishing a connection with him. Harwayun would stay with her if only because of Bam and Fug would have a harder time getting to him because Rachel is still a schemer and Bam himself would start growing his strength (albeit slower).
I think the administrators feel they were wrong in letting Jahad become king of the tower. Even the God of the Guardians on the Hell train said Jahad changed. So they’re using Baam to “set the tower free” idk exactly what that means yet though
Have been reading another story of the same universe, and it seems possible the administrators of tog, or atleast headon want people to climb higher in the tower
@@SubliminalScientistits a korean secret story that siu wrote
That gave away too much about tpg
What is it called @@Vex_gamin
@@SmylexLeconte I would have told you but it has been long deleted by siu there are only a few pages of it left so everyone except siu doesn't know the names of all the series well if you wanna try to find the series you will need to search Tower of god. Storys universe hope that helps
Something that should be mentioned is that, the only person who killed a admin was Enryu. And he only entered becouse of Jahad, without jahad's shenenagins they would never have feared for their life but now it can happen, they can die.
He came because Arlene said she would give anything to ressurect his son. Then Enryu was sent to send a message to the admin and delivring the thorn when Baam will be re-entering the tower and ''devour it'' so the outside god wish will be completed. Crazy how after a decade + we are still far away for any of this ahha
Well...That's only because Phantaminum didn't feel like doing it, if he wanted he could have literally destroyed the tower...
The thing I love about TOG is the fact there’s almost no way to scale any of them accurately cause Lore wise they do some crazy stuff 😭
Multi continental with nigh omnipresent speed for the administrators
@@Thatfan864 that isn’t true if you read the lore literally all of the original irregulars did feats that put them boundless or outer if you lowball especially urek Mazino and jahad
@@Thatfan864 it’s hard to scale them because the lore literally shows them transcending concepts or straight up erasing some of them
@@Thatfan864 the administrators are stronger on different floors as well making it even harder to scale accurately if I’m being honest ion think we’ll be able to do accurate scales until the end of the series
@@OmgJinnn I guess that could be said but I’m not gonna lie the only character that could be outer is phantaminum
dawg the world of tog is insane, there is so much to talk about with so much lore/history and it feels like we're not even halfway through the story.
I never really thought of the administrators in this way. This should really be more talked-about
Same... they can only be explained as administrators if you think about it.
They're kinda like angels that guide humanity to God.
A good example of this is the Celestials from Marvel, or the Monitors of DC... they're not exactly "gods" but from the perspective of a normal existence, they might as well be gods.
I have the feeling that while administrators follow in general the tower's will they also have personal agentas as well. They have different personalities and made different decisions. For example why only the 100 floor admin offered an immortality contract to the family heads? The second floor admin might have made a rebellious move by helping Bam, but we shouldn't forget that he let Evankhell be a floor ruler beforehand and liked Bam the moment he met him. No other administrator did any apparent rebellious move other than him and perhaps Headon. So i have a hard time believing that the floor administrators have one unbreakable common will but rather they follow some general rules with each admin having their own personal touch to them according to their personality. Additionally the 135th floor admin was hostile to the family heads unlike previous admins. To me they feel like the family heads, while they have common roots they have different perspectives and it seems apparent especially now that Bam showed up.
yeah makes sense I mean in first few chapters you could see headon didnt want bam to go up the tower he even reinforced the black ball and made a creature strong enough to kill bam but bam went up the tower anyway so why would second floor admin help bam by sending evankhell
i suspect they are rivals
@@varadsalunkhe9008 Nah, Headon wanted Bam to climb. He even basically says once Rachael pushes Bam that the story is just beginning or something along that line.
He knew that push is what would allow Bam to grow. Not even the push per say, but the betrayal.
Tower of God is heavily inspired by the 2009 anime Tower of Druaga. If we see it in this context, it hints at the structure of the tower, on what is above the "last" floor and on why there are tests in the first place.
Source?
Hi Doc, great vid. I read this interesting POV on Guardians on a Reddit post once:
"""
7.3.1 Same goes for Admnistrators: they are pieces of software designed to keep the system flowing in their scope of the program (i.e. each floor). They are called administrators the same way your user session on your computer can be administrator, i.e. with full permissions. Administrators rarely intervene in the events of TOG because they're more background softwares of sorts, here to guarantee the integrity of the operating system (which is the Tower).
Also, the contracts between Administrators and the 12 Great Warriors is nothing more than the administrators granting special permissions to some users who entered the Tower. The reason why no tower inhabitant can hurt Zahard after his contracts, is because they are NPCs that cannot violate the rules established by administrators of the program (like how Kirito can't attack Kayaba in Sword Art Online) . This is why external, non-NPC, real flesh-and-bones human - a.k.a "irregulars" - are needed to kill Zahard. Irregulars, i.e. real humans, are not bound to the rules of the Tower (like Neo in Matrix), because they are not NPCs: for instance, they do not need contracts to use shinsoo.
I think the administrators being superusers is the reason why it seemed incredible that Enryu managed to kill an administrator: these guys are like the backbone of the tower, it seemed impossible that they would die. But Enryu being "the messenger of the God of the outside" (i.e. probably the messenger of an Axis), he could easily overpower the operating system and break it. Enryu acted like a sort of virus: it broke a critical part of the operating software, to the point that the 43rd floor of the Tower couldn't even regenerate itself, because the administrator is the software that is supposed to ensure the regeneration.
I also think the reason why Headon keeps letting irregulars enter the tower, despite Headon being supposed to be subservient to Zahard (although the authority relationship is not clear between Zahard and the administrators), is because Headon is a software optimized to allow the emergence of the one true God, and with Zahard having abandoned this goal (maybe he lacked the qualification in the first place? We'll find out later in the story!), Headon keeps letting new candidates in.
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Source: www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/sgs3kj/tog_ultimate_theory_why_does_the_tower_exist/
Also about the different positions, all of them have a name related to water or fish:
Fisherman - hunt fish
Spear bearer - spear fishing
Wave controller - controls waves/shinsu
Light bearer/Lighthouse keeper - lights the area making it easier to hunt, also lighthouse
Scout - finds and tails enemies
Great Topic Joe, sometimes me and my friends like to theorize that Headon is the true villain of the story and if he was that would be pretty awesome, I also believed he might be the strongest administrator (for now) cuz honesty even today we dont know what is true extentions are.
Same, I think King Zahard is not the final villain but it would rather be The Outside God or Headon.
For now I think Macseth and Phantaminum seem to be too neutral and mysterious to take this spot.
V could have been great but he is dead (if he is Akryung then everything changes)
Tu Perie Tperie could be a good contender tho.
@karaka2253 I definitely agree with those takes. It's great to hear from you again, Karaka
@@Remorsefulz thanks and same for you, you always have good takes on ToG 👍
@@karaka2253 haha thanks, you as well
i think that at the start Siu wanted to make a story that would end in "axis there, axis here, strongest axis, bam becomes one, fights them, wins"
but then he understood that it would've been pretty lame right?
there's a whole lot of lore outside the tower, so it's strange that it doesn't even appear in tower of god (for now).
Also, let's return on headon being a shark, in the tower the strongest shinheuh is the killer whale, that's where Adori's sobriquet comes from, Eurasia sobriquet is instead "great white shark".
Supposedly in the towers (and sometimes in real life too) orca's predate sharks, meaning they're somewhat stronger.
Wouldn't that imply that there's an administrator stronger than headon? (as he seems like the strongest)
maybe last floor administrator?
and returning to earlier, there are a lot of elements that we don't know much of in ToG that have connections with the outside, it seems like they will eventually have to be addressed in one way or another, that makes the story even more interesting.
I'm talking about the outside god, enryu (that will appear one day or another), Arlene and her whereabouts, workshop ecc.
they're too important to be left like they are right now.
Also, there has been a theory going around for ages right now, what if shinsoo, (divine water) is the power and "area of control" of an axis? you know how it's called DIVINE water right? wouldn't that make sense?
bear in minds that there are a lot of towers on ToG planet where the tower of god is located.
all these towers could just be "tests".
what if the only tower or one of the very few, to possess any type of power like shinsoo, is infact the tower of god? and maybe that's why Siu is showing it to us instead of the other towers.
there's a whole lot of lore from other stories of Siu, and sometimes it gets really REALLY close to the tower of god, like the main event of all of those stories combined, happening on "earth" the planet of the tower.
i know Siu said that he doesn't want to bring Axes into this story, but will he really not do it? i feel like he kinda has to now.
I think one thing I hope tower of god does more is if there are other strong species other then humans who have power in this tower. It should be really cool to see some diverse groups as we climb the tower
I think the tower wants to remove jahad, or doesn't like what jahad has done. It chooses bam to defeat jahad or start progression of the tower and end jahad's reign. Headon and the adminstrators are supporting the tower's decision and choosing paths to help bam dethrone jahad.
My guess is the tower is resisting jahad, because king jahad mentioned near end of hidden floor, that he is starting to control fate & potentially go against the tower. That's the only thing I could would have changed for the tower to try and remove jahad before he interferes with tower's duty (whatever it is).
With the existence of Enryu, I have the feeling that, if the tower is extremely old, the concept of killing administrators would be more common from 135th floor and beyond... In fact, I expect that there would be some irregular/climber that have grown powerful enough to outright replace administrators...
That might not be true, as it might not be related to Enryuu's own powers at all, Enryuu received a task from an "Outside God" which is believed to be an Axis User from the outside that isn't strong enough to break the Tower's Axis and get inside like Phanta did...He might have received an Axis from that Outside God which might or might not be the Thorn and that was what made it possible for Enryuu to kill the Administrator...
You have no idea how much I adore your lore videos, missed them so much! They're amongst my favorite lore videos on youtube
Speaking of "Gods", in my Vtuber Lore, I decided to introduce what could be the "devil" from outside of the Tower. If you work with this devil and make a contract... it's more of a curse than anything.
It's so cool how we get to create new things in Tower of God fan made stuff like Towers & Gods etc. Your DND series inspires me!
Ghost being V is a huge theory that would be so cool if true! Cause if he did commit suicide then maybe he was brought back to life as a... ghost!
This was a great video, Joe! Super happy I was able to watch it! You rock!! ^^ ♡
13:40 for that I always asked myself why was the door that Bam opend on the floor? Was it because of his position or because the tower is underground (aka an ocean beneath) or is it in a completely different dimension. Urek said the outside is more vast but we don't know if there is one outside or multiple. Like Bam and Rachel came from outside but they don't have stars. They were in a place like tunnels but there are mountains? How? If it is a tower is it vertical or horizontal? Or is it like a planet with multiple layers and you start from the core until you reach the surface? A planet of water. Does Jahad and the others know what is the tower and how it is structured or are they oblivious like Bam and they started climbing it to explore it (Eduan said that Jahad is better as an adventurer than as a king) the water theme is very obvious to where I think SIU wanted to be a fisherman but didn't work out for him😅
They said the outside god allowed
And how did rachel get to the area where she's seen already with Bam at, you asked most of the good ones already though.
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Yep that too. But figured Arlen or someone related told her or something idk
This puts a lot of things into perspective ESPECIALLY when you consider Bam’s actual age and how just now he’s been found and given the chance to climb the tower.
Is it ever stated how an irregular finds the tower? Because it feels like each May be different and Bam’s was out of pure will to find Rachel maybe?
We have to sorta think retroactively as to what the will of the tower before Jahad and when the deal was made with Jahad prior to any new wills. Since that might be telling of the situation since we'll have the pieces to work out what exactly the admins are planning here.
So to start things off, the tower is a type of entity in which people from the outside can come in and seemingly become stronger as they progress through it ( we arent sure of any power they gain through the tower is allowed to leave with them, if they can leave at all). So the tower may have started off as a tool with the sole objective of creating stronger beings, for what purpose is unknown at this time and whether or not those selected willingly came in or were forced too. For all we know, the beings who failed to progress further just stopped and settled in the outer tower layer on which ever floor they were at, potentially being the ancestors of all the normal people who now just live and die in the tower generation after generation, completely forgetting their ancestor's origins to the outside.
We really have no idea how long things have been like that with no one completing the tower, till Jahads crew came in and making it the furthest ever seen before ( floor 134). During this time, they grew stronger and even recruited people who were just living in the tower to continue climbing with them (presumably the decendets of past selected individuals were also given the right to climb, or might have needed Hedons permission like the current system of him selecting regulars from the residential areas of the tower to climb, not sure how they did that back in Jahad's crew early days). But at the end, even Jahad stopped climbing and apparently made a deal with the admins on behalf of the tower to just let them rule basically.
Its also this time we see the cracks in the Jahad team as Arlene and Vi formed FUG and things were getting tense with the other members (they eventually sided with Jahad based on what we know, so a 11 v 2 situation) Vi and Arlene wanted to keep climbing, presumably so they can get to the top and maybe get back home since they might have just been kidnapped by the tower, that or they just wanted to reach the reward at the end of the tower if anything like that was promised (?). Jahad and the other family leaders effectively just settled as rulers, Vi dies and Arlene just peaces out of the tower some how with what we assume was dead baby Bam.
The real question is what was the will of the tower to just allow Jahad seal the way to the upper floors and just halt all progress, and recycle through each generation of decedents of past climbers? If the original goal was to take in and create greater beings, this was not gonna aid in those plans. Maybe the tower saw promise in Jahad's group and they spun it as a way to just take a "small" break from climbing. They might have wanted a reward for making it the furthest anyone had ever made and the admins chose to humor the idea since so long as they cleared the tower, who cares if they take a break. Hell, with the new system, way more people were able to get as far as Jahad's team (which would lead to the establishment of the ranker system). So potentially more greater beings were gonna be created. A win-win, or at least it should have, since the Jahad's team just sat on their asses and played politics.
Moving throughout the ages, we are basically in a stagnate system where nothing is advancing and the 10 families and other groups are just running amok in the tower for control. We do see some "irregualrs" pop in like Phantom, who just messed up Jahads palace and leaves, Enryu comes in to do the exact same thing but even more extreme on the floor of death by ultimatly killing one of the admins. Then we have Urek who wanted to find Phantom in the tower, but his immediate goal is to now get back out of the tower, and to do that, he's gonna need to get past Jahad and the seal placed getting to the next floors.
So things have just gotten so hectic, that the will of the tower has changed and the good graces that were bestowed upon Jahad's team has soured. But what to do, they made a contract that was apparently so air-tight, the admins are just stuck with the current situation with no way of fixing this mess that they permitted to happen in the first place. Welp, here comes Bam, with the power to just absorb whats ever thrown at him and nullify magic. This is it, the chance the tower has been waiting for to get of those damned family heads and Jahad from preveting people from advancing and halting the creating of greater beings. So the admins may not be allowed to directly oppose Jahad, but they can make indirect use of FUG (the whole point of the org was to get passed Jahad and keep climbing) and us them to get Bam ready to fix the bug in the system.
Thats kinda my guess on the whole situation at hand from start to finish and what the ultimate plans going forward, hope you liked the long read :D
I think some administrators could be working with fug for a change. I think that some administrators are not, that there are opposing sides. Opposing factions within the system of administrators would be a cool theme as well in the war.
I think SIU really tricked us with Headon. He seemed so antagonistic towards Bam when Bam took his test. But Headon said the test he gave was appropriate. At the time I think 99% of readers will assume Headon is lying.
But look at what Bam is capable of now? What if that test was fair the entire time, especially considering he is the one to suggested Yuri give Bam Black March. Even further when you consider the possibility that Headon might have some sort of future sight like many other characters do.
I think it’s interesting that the admins themselves have to follow rules to an extent. They have to test the irregulars and have to allow them to pass on from their floor if they pass.
We know the tower has some sort of will to it but is it possible there is an actual conscious entity that set these rules up for them? It also goes beyond that though. Jahad and co were given items and seemingly had relationships with the admins when they climbed. Their role is one of servitude inherently, which kind of goes against their godlike nature. Their purpose and motivations are one of the biggest mysteries so far.
I really hope you're right and this isn't a GOT or PLL situation. Because I'm genuinely worried the writer has no idea how he's going to end the series. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten in to a really good story only for it to go downhill and be ruined at the end. Either because the author keeps dragging it out for far too long or because it abruptly ends. It's unfortunately really common in the short story horror community. You cannot start publishing a story, even if it's online, if you don't know how it's going to end and how the characters are going to get from point A at the beginning to point z at the end. Because if you don't know how the story is going to end you can't leave clues, you can't leave foreshadowing, you can't plan things out. It's just extremely obvious when an author didn't know how the story was going to end. The story isn't cohesive. If any future writers are reading this don't make this mistake. It will ruin your entire story. People can tell when you don't have any idea how the story was going to end. The walking Dead is another great example of this. Where the author just kept dragging it out for years and years and years before finally ending it when he got bored. That's why the first couple seasons were really good and then it just went downhill. If he had planned it out he could have ended it and it would have been remembered as one of the best shows ever. And now it's a joke, just like game of thrones, and pretty little liars, and supernatural, and lost, etc
What if the purpose of the tower was to evolve everything that climbs to surpass godhood into something beyond like an AXIS and jahad stopped that and the tower is rebelling against it
I'd gotten a bit out of touch with TOG lately. This video reminded me, why I began loving it in the first place. The TOG world is a masterpiece to me!! Great Vid!
Very interesting thoughts Joe. Especiaclly with the administrators acting out the "will of the tower", maybe Jahads empire has gone too far. This is what I love about ToG, the mystery and lore
Wouldn’t say that they are working with F.U.G but rather ensuring Bam brings change to the tower.
This is my favorite video you’ve made by far. This is some big brain stuff I NEVER considered. Thanks bro 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Something that was has been bugging me is how the "higher" you are in the Tower, the shinsu (water) gets more dense...
I have a feeling that this isn't really a "Tower" but what if it's and "inverted" tower? or in other words an abyss. I might add, the size of the administrator somewhat correspond to the towers floor as in the higher the floor or in this case the deeper the floor the more gigantic the administrator are (look up deep sea gigantism)
This is similar to the real life tower that inspired this story. The tower of babel was an attempt to reach heaven. In order to reach heaven you have to break through the firmament and go beyond the water. So you might indeed be on to something
I absolutely loved this video, it was so interesting. And even though i have thought of this point individually, the way you put them all inside the same frame was really interesting. Can't wait for the next video.
I do think some of the Administratos are rebelling, specially Headon and the one in the second floor, but i think some Administrator would have a "none of my business" idea, and wouldn't agree with the "Administrator Rebelion" to call it somehow
The thing about the Administrator when he fired Hansung and Evanhell from the floor of test to karaka's dimensions is always in my mind.... I always find it interesting... I always wondered why.
But now That I see your point it makes me goosebumps a little.... What if just what if... Soooome Administrator isn't happy about Jahard's rule... And currently the Administrators are split into 3 types? The Ok with Jahards rule, the Neutral ones & the guys who are rebelling.... This means absolute chaos in the tower.
but I also thought of another possibility.... We all knew from tidbits from the secret floor back in the train that Jahard used to be a Shounen protagonist type like a boy full of Adventure in his blood... But as he gained more & more power he started to act out of character. What if the tower thinks that jahard actually tricked them? After making that contact making him the king of the tower and immortal because of such contact the all being in the tower, the Administrators and the tower itself cannot touch Jahard at all.... And their only hope is to bet for an *outside* intervention or perhaps to more specifically an Unknown God from the outside to strong enough to break Jahard contact... Not to kill him specifically but destroy his contact would be enough.
The tower is a series of tests that encourage people to go challenge the next floor upward the tower with a promise of fulfilling all that you desire once you reach the top thus people keep on climbing, despite the absolute hardship.... And yet only jahard and his companion reach the current highest floor floor 134 or 135 i think?.... Then refused to ascend any farther.
Jahard basically Doped the tower, no one has able to reach the true top... Everyone is doomed to rot inside the tower without any hope of reaching the top... And the tower can't touch him cuz his the king of the tower, & no one can compete with him cuz his all powerful & immortal....
In a nutshell everyone is fcking doomed ahahaha
My issue with the Rebellion thought is: Why? They have no reason to, they can just take the reigns back whenever they want. Unless the goal is to more specifically set up some sort of new regime.
It's implied that Administrators like the Red Thryssa are the same or similar to the Blue Thryssa, Ghost and the Devil(s) inside the living ignition weapons. We know that the Thorn was hollow and dead and required the Blue Thryssa to ignite it and that the Beniamino brothers use the halves of the devil to ignite the Ignition fluid in their bodies. We also that the seven swords from Cheonwha & Danwha's homeland were made from the splintered soul of a monster/demon that terrorized their homeland. SIU said that while Ignition weapons are described as weapons with a soul that its more accurated to describe them as weapons made using a special kind of Shinsu.
Assuming these are all the same type of being albeit Administrator being larger in scale while Ignition weapons are bound to a person or object they would likely be sort of Metaphysical race possibly made from a special type of shinsu hence the shapeshifting and regeneration. Angels, Demons and Gods are known to possess these qualities, often taking the form of animals, hence why some these beings have animal-like or demonic qualities.
Also remember that when the Administrator on the 43rd Floor died all the Shinsu not inside its body became toxic hence why everyone who survived moved there, so I could see Shinsu's true nature as a Demonic Miasma that is being purified or regulated by the Administrator to support life.
man the divinity music always goes hard in these
Administrators are the fallen angels, they are being with immense power but are restricted by laws and a being that contains them within the tower. They seek to escape the tower and its control… irregulars are the key because they defy the tower and the God that controls it.
Ghost being in Fug and ghost being related to headon was completely blank from my mind holy. This changes the way I see everything now
this is my first time ever being so early on a bonehead/tower of god video
i was never caught up n i was like i cant watch that i could get spoiled
but now im damn near cuaght up n this just feels amazing
thank you bonehead n siu for what you all do
Been reading this for YEARS. My favorite series of all time.
Joe casually dropping a bombshell of a theory and leaving everyones mind blown.
The tower is just the backrooms upstairs area, bam no clipped into it
Yes! More of this content. Lately it’s just been reading. Love your doing more again.
If i had to theorize someting id probably just say the admins are pissed Jahad stopped climbing
Hey I love this idea about the administrators are acting now to protect the tower, it goes very deep once you think about how long the 10 family heads have been there and how much potential damage they might have caused.
Hey, really nice analysis and cool questions. I really like your analytical approach. I feel similar vibes to MrMorJ for One Piece videos. Very nice work!
I had a similar theorie about the admin rebelling in the FB tog group.
But I don't think all of them are rebelling, just Headon, the one on the second floor and maybe a few others. One admin is enough to defeat Jahad's empire so they don't need to wait for anything. The reason I think they are rebelling is whoever create them wanted the tower to be complete and Jahad is stopping that by locking the higher floors. Most other administrator probably don't want the tower to be complete because they don't know what will happen to them afterwards.
Jahad also didn't stop the climb just to be king, he was terrified of whatever was up there.
Admin to Phanta: Scare the life out of Jahad.
Phanta: Say no more, fam.
*After that, Jahad never left his chambers 😂*
I think the Tower might want to stop the 20k year stalemate Jahad created. If the Tower and Admins exist to test people and to be climbed it is not too far off that the current stagnation goes against its nature/purpose. At the same time Admins seem to have varying personalities, as an Admin made Jahad king while another stopped him from further climbing.
Concerning Headon, he could very well be the Towers God or maybe just their right hand. Headon and the Admins are probably bound by some rules to not interfere directly, but if they truely are rebelling it would be weird to have Enryu kill one of them. Maybe not all Admins are rebelling or maybe there are even multiple factions trying to interfere with the Tower. That could also explain why Headon wanted to make Rachel the heroine. If Bam was sent by the faction of the God from outside the Tower, Headon could have taken that opportunity to put his own piece on the board by using Rachel.
I think the are not directly working with FUG, I think they are moving the pieces in a way to favor FUG cause the board is way too stacked to Jahad rn and they want Bam to mature as well I guess
Maybe the tower itself is like how Jahad is, giving out orders once in a while to the administrators who are supposed to follow them... Maybe the tower senses the tike for change and the administrators have been told to be a catalyst
maybe the administrators can only give immortality to those who come from outside the tower
My thought is that even though the administrators are the "gods" of the tower the Irregulars scare them. When Bam made a contract with the administrator of the second floor, the administrator thought Bam was limiting himself. Even though the family heads made contracts with the administrators to gain eternal life you have people like Pentaminum (controls fate), Enryu (killed an administrator and it probably wasn't him going all out), or Eduan (spear can pierce half the tower). Hell Joe more or less had the power of an administrator and Urek at 100 percent wasn't worried. It makes sense to me the administrators don't like them around. The administrators where the kings of the their respective floors and now their power is limited because of Irregulars. I think the administrator of the second floor sent Evankhell to save Bam because he thought Bam could eventually kill them. You even have an irregular like Jahad locking down the 100th floor. I doubt even Headon could go there. Honestly, if an administrator tried anything against a family head, I wouldn't be too worried about the family head. Traumerie would just have a new fish as a pet. I look at administrators as kings who have now lost their throne.
I'm fairly certain the administrators are stronger than all except Enryu and of course Phantamanium.
i appreciate you putting this together in words. not many people properly cover this or god of highschool lore.
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Needed a refresh on this series, your videos are serving me well!
I think phantamanium , other axis outside of tower , above 135th floor probably king of administratior .
man i love that theorie that phantamanium and enryu are above the 135th floor and cause jahad coult not pass the floor he sealed it for everyone else
@@Scratto doubt it , phanta is an axis , he couldnt care less and enryu only entered the tower to drop the thorn
@bonehead you mentioned flowers and machines in the murals...
We also know the workshop is the oldest structure in the tower and is merely a branch from outside.
Plus baam's description of a fishbowl, after releasing the shinheuh in the lo po bia tank... It's a interesting thought that perhaps the tower is a giant terrarium created by the Main workshop as an experiment, and the irregulars were sent in to explore and/or document it after it grew on its own?
What if the 135th floor is headon's and the test is to defeat him...
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I just realized headon looks like the god mechs from the end of eva. He even has the cross on his chest! SIU probably based headon on eva concepts
I left a comment on your last video about irregulars and I would like to collect some thoughts about it from not only you, but everyone else here in the comment section as well, because after I thought about that it kept bugging me ever since, mainly because I don't have any leading theories.
had a coffee time with SIU and just to let you know that this theory is in the right way. There's a long way til the top... maybe administrators are missing their creator... Maybe they planned to use an ambitious child as a sacrifice to make the real human being who could change the situation from the tower to the place he was supposed to get to. Perhaps the administrators pulled strings so that the chosen one would go up to Zahard to remove him from the throne, and return the natural purpose of the tower's existence.
I'm very much on the same wavelength as you as far as the importance of the administrators goes. I think that at least some of them must be rebelling against Jahad but perhaps not all of them.
One question that I would like to know the answer too that I think would explain much of the story is: What did the Administrators get out of their contract with the the great families?
Obviously we have a good idea about what the families from the deal, immortality, and then Jahad made another to make him "king". But why would the administrators give this boon to the climbers? Personally I feel like they probably were at least a little afraid of what likely amounted to an invading force into the tower and they ended up making the immortally contract on the condition that the great families and their decedents are similarly unable to harm the administrators or interfere with their authority. Jahad 's king contract is probably conditioned on Jahad preventing anyone from any further climbing. Why they administrators would want to stop them is another matter but probably related to what the tower actually is.
Speaking of that I can't wait for the next vid! When I first started reading TOG I always thought that the tower must be in some non-corporeal space and it is accessed through a dimensional passage or something. The tower as described is just to big to be a literal tower on a planet, it doesn't work. Also even if it was a physical tower on a planet and we assume it's some dimensional magic to make it bigger on the inside what stops inhabitants from discovering and entering the tower? Why are there not more irregulars and what allowed the families to enter?
This brings me to my more recent thoughts on what the tower is. I think that the last question along with this fact actually provides a huge hint: the great family leaders weapons that they brought in from the outside were originally made for use in vacuum!
To me the implication here is that the tower is a McKendree cylinder like megastructure somewhere in space. It explains why they would have vacuum weapons, why the tower is seemingly so inaccessible, and makes the continent sized floors perfectly reasonable without any dimensional shenanigans. Also if it is a man/alien made megastructure than in its creation one of the first things to do after building the thing might be to populate it with flora prior to bringing in any fauna. This would almost certainly be done with machines to automate almost all of the process to the creation myth of the tower also seems to fit.
Excited to hear your thoughts on it next vid!
Also if the tower is a megastructure with 135+ continents worth of landmass I can totally see the builders calling it the Tower of God. The only title more on the nose might be Tower of Babel.
ToG is the Ocean.
Heidon would come close to a evolved humanoid catfish
It's probably not a good idea to lump TUS into this but I can't help myself. The way Siu describes Axis fields in the TUS comic and blogposts is that it is the power to be compared to god. And that within that field their power is absolute and cannot be erased by any non-Axis. So I wonder if Shinsu, the shinhueh and the administrators are all part of Phantaminum's Axis abilities. Or maybe another Axis, since there is a bunch of towers in the TUS story called "The Towers of Attrakion" or "flower stalks". With no known entry or exit. So maybe an ancient axis in the TUS universe created all the Towers and they all have shinsu. Or maybe a lot of different Axes collaborated making the Tower. Though lumping all of this in with TUS and Axis stuff might not be worth much since it's debatable if anything TUS related besides Phantaminum is considered cannon.
Really good ideas here about the Tower's will making Admins rebelling. I wondered if the administrator's are upset that Jahad stopped climbing and that is against the purpose of the Tower in the first place.
I think the will of the tower is swayed by the intention of the regular and irregular goals during their time in the tower
If there's an outside world from the tower, couldn't there be more towers out into the world
Them big fish seem fishey
The Tower is under the Sea. They're all underwater.
Excellent vid! But I lost something? Why exactly admins rebel via some weird shenanigans with Bam and FUG? Why can't they rebel explicitly, if they are the WILL of the Tower? Because of the immortality contracts?
What if headon is an anima and all the administrators are shinue under his control.
If we follow the trend and think about wide wide future, I think the tower we follow is the Tower of Water, Maybe in future when Bam clears this tower with his friends, They realise that there are more towers outside to Conquer, Like there is a bigger tower, the actual tower to become god but to climb there you have to clear tower of all elements. what are your thoughts?
I've had this concept where the Tower might have some level of sentience or intelligence, and either generates, or takes in when it can't, things that it feels it needs to prevent stagnation and help drive change. Jahad climbing, the "first to climb" as he proclaimed, was a highly turbulent event that greatly changed how things worked in the Tower. And, after many tens of thousands of years under Jahad and the 10 Great Families, things are becoming stagnant again.
We are seeing the Administrators acting, even if indirectly, to move Baam, or others to help Baam, when it suits their obscure purpose. I'm thinking how the Administrator for F2 directly sent Evankhell to a place where she and Hansung could directly help in the Last Station, where they otherwise would not have been able to.
Maybe the Administrators are a manifestation of the Tower's will, set to make sure things function in certain ways, and with the abilities to expedite results desirable to the Tower. And in that sense, maybe the class between Enryu and the Administrator for F43 was because Enryu represented an outside power acting in opposition to the Tower's desires at that time?
In that line, we do see something similar where there is a living entity that people can enter and traverse. For the F21 test, we see Team Sweet+Sour enter a Shinheuh, a Zygaena, to collect something growing inside of it. Perhaps the Tower is just like the Zygaena, but on a vastly greater scale?
"What is the Tower?" -> From what you said, i asked myself: "Is the Tower a giant plant, fed from the inside by the administrators?"
I'm very interested for SIU to reveal what is going to happen with Bam concerning his 2nd floor contract. Even the administration says they'd act more like chains than anything else. What limitation is he going to find (it'll affect Bam at a very inconvenient level)? Can you get rid of a contract? Will Bam have to kill floor 2's administrator to destroy his contract?
Bam makes a contract, is warned by the admin about it, then we move on. It's not mentioned again.
It'll impede Bam. Maybe the 2nd floor administrators voids it and that's when we find out the administrators are rebeling; if not having their own civil war over tower politics. What role is the contract going to play as the story moves on?
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I just wanna bring some info/thoughts from a biology perspective.
As of now, all admins we have seen look like fish. Not crabs nor octopus, but fish. This isn't lore or anything serious, but more of a reasoning : why fish? Why would they be better?
When animals first appeared and radiated during the Cambrian, it was invertebrates. Then, later, the fish appeared, first the ones without a jaw (Agatha) and then the ones with jaws (Gnathostoma). The fact that they were the first animals with a jaw made them the best predators of their time, and the Devonian period is known as the age of the fish (they dominated the seas at the top of the food chain). I just think its so cool to tie the admins being fish as the top of the Shinhue, as if the tower is in a "Devonian" period where fish are above every other creature. (Ofc some admins might not be fish, we've seen only a few)
Also, fish are known to keep growing with age (like most invertebrates as well). In real life tho, the growth gets to a minimum after a certain time, but let's say in ToG growth is linear and nonstop. The admins being very old, it has made them huge. Fish with a big size are at an advantage, because it means they can eat bigger prey and not get eaten by as many predators (size is a big factor in choosing a prey with fish). It makes me wonder, the admins may be fish that kept devouring others, who grew, to the point that they became big enough to be the apex predator on their floor? The biggest fish would be an admin! Well it doesn't work with Headon tho...
Idk if SIU really used such fish biology XD but its fun to link real fish to ToG nonetheless.
this seems all pretty straightforward. but i think the "true" god is the god of the outside that Arlene spoke with. Headon just acts on his behalf. Headon's character has parallels with Lucifer. there's a lot of biblical references in the series. Enryu has parallels with another angel - Gabriel. it's possible Phantaminum is another. and i think it's likely that Zahard was allowed to rule the tower but he became corrupted so the outside god has sent Baam to destroy his empire.
The tower lets in irregulars for a purpose. Baam came in for a purpose. Maybe it was to undo or change what the family heads have done or failed to do. Perhaps because they stopped climbing.
My idea is that the administrators don't really care about the tower inhabitants, same sith loyalty. They are first and foremost the servants of the tower, and therefore i don't think they care about their inhabitants because of the purpose of the tower. In the end, the objective of the tower is to test their participants, which aren't supposed to be regulars for what we see.
I say this because it kinds of seem like the tower is make for irregulars, and is hellbent on favoring them over anything else, with how they don't offer conditions in exchange for power and they are the only ones allowed to take the original tests. Also how the truly important rewards of the tower are only things irregulars can do ( the black hole of shinsu and the rice cooker are the main examples i can think of) while the rewards for the irregulars are mostly built for other inhabitants of the tower. It is also visible in how they allow the family leaders to go througth there doing whatever they want, even breaking the restrictions of the tower and administrators don't care (yes, it could be because it is their capacity and irregulars and administrators don't seem fair stopping them from using it, but when other rankers attack regulars, they get a punishment from the tower rules, yes, but also if it caugths the attention of the administrator, it goes personally to double punish them), this could be seen as double standarts, but it suddenly isn't if we consider it as administrators putting the tests in order for the player, considering the inhabitants of the tower as parts of the tests and the irregular as players; now, if an irregular goes making a mess, it doesn't matter since they can take the tests however they want, but if it is a ranker, the it is different, now a piece is destroying the test of others. This could also explain why administrators don't attack irregulars atleats they are destroying the floors of the tower (and even so the administrator from the death floor seemed to be particularly aggresive and still trie talking enryu down of it) because if there isn't a floor, there are no more tests and players can't advance (plus, enryu wasn't really taking the test).
With this said, the maybe administrators are moving the strings to make people continue climbing again to finally reach the objective of the tower, but they won't directly attack zahard since they would be interrupting its test.
As to what an administrator is, my guess is they are spontaniosly created along the floor, since they have control over all of it shinsu and seemingly make it take form, i would guess they are born before the first life forms of their floor (considering the death floor, which didn't had an administrator, degenerated into a place where regulars not only couldn't live without the contract, but also didn't had any lifeform beside the parasities of the administrator body, impling without an administrator there can't be life in a floor), and from there they form the shinsu of the floor into a suitable trial ground and place for life. I believe many people forget something about the tower, and that is that it doesn't only have shinsu, shinsu is literally everything and everywere inside the tower, forming everything in there, from air to water and from a fish to the strongest regular ranker in the tower, that is why people can levitate or things like the shinsu black hole are so destructing. Even so, the shinsu in the enviroment is supposedly useless even for irregulars (exceptuating some techniques and the thorn), so the administrators abilities basically allow them to alter matter. Making them perfect for the people in charge of creating and giving trials to irregulars, while also don't giving them the chance to control irregulars, since they aren't from the towers shinsu.
With this in mind, i don't think the final reward of the tower (the wish) is shinsu related, but saying it could be an spoiler. But if that is true, then the administrators objectice is probably to take an irregular outside of the tower again, and to do so, they stregthen them since they won't be capable of manipulating shinsu outside or receiving administrators help.
If the administrators really are trying to do this, the there are some ways they could be doing this, by forcing jahad to climb the tower, or by helping bam, who seems to be helped by an exterior god who also gave him an administrator (which could also be what the administrstor of the 2 floor refered to saying it was his rigth to control shinsu and not a boon of someone). This ends with ghost, who seems to be proof than theey chose to help bam to agitate the tower. As to who is ghost, my guest is that he is either pentamon (maybe h wants to help the administrators following lrders from someone outside), which on a side note i believe is the fountain of the power of the bracelet mustang has and he is actually only using his power as an irregular, which ciuld be the reason to climb the tower while doing his work, or, in his defect, an administrator. I know this seems kind of weird, but there are a lot of simmilarities between an administrator and irregulsrs, and that could also explain why he can use shinsu black hole, simmilar to how the god guardian could insiee the train
Then how do the rulers of the tower fit in to this because they may be regulars or irregulars. Are they also just existing along side the administrators? Excluding Jahad and the other Family Heads
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recently i have been thinking that Akryung is not v like people commonly think but if they used some of the dead administrator to creat something like a jiangshi in murim stories. his body is that of a admin so he is unrestricted and can use techniques that irefulars can but has no soul of his own
Bro, tbh the flowers blow as Zahad and the crew went up ... before that it was said to be like hell, or something like that!
They went to Karakas heart because of what was happening on Karakas side tho, they were in danger...
Evank used it to wrap, so reinforce the battle field, u kind of took outta of context here...
Its nice to see someone doing Tower of God content, this is rare to see!!!
Really nice!
I have two theories: 1) the administrators were all at some point shinheuh and some cataclysm like the tower will or something like that made the strongest one the admin of each floor( sorry to make the comparison but like the archon wars in genshin only one can became de admin and the winner gets to be the "god" of that floor.
Theory n2) it always bugged me how currently the admins seem to want bam to kill Jahad but for that to happen bam would need the thorn. So why would the admin fight enryu? I think before that incident the admins were happy with jihad but after they realized they neither have the power or the will to stop the "outside god" so to avoid anymore cataclysmic they decided to not fight and help happen the will of the outside god that second Arlene is moving through bams( her dead child body)
I have a question. It is implied in the story that irregulares can break spells? Causa i thought baam could do it because Arlene put a spell in him much stronger than any other in order to preserve his body. In that way baam's resistence to spells is becausa Arlene. What you think?
Hmm. Really Interesting idea.
It was always bugging me that how could admin throw Evankhell exactly their.
Then may be Admin of FOD was against this idea thats why He was killed by anothe admin(Enryu).
To really understand tog you would have to read siu other series set inside the same univers outside the tower. I dont believe many (if any) are translated to english and most were deleted from the internet because they gave too much of tog away.
Spoilers;
Enryu is a messenger of the outside god and a user of a completely different power system (axis) from outside tower which supposedly is explained more in those other series.
Cant wait for your next video ❤
I have to think that the Administrators are secretly plotting to get rid of Jahad, but have a contract with him that claims he is king and can't directly harm him because of that. So the only thing they can do is try to recruit Irregulars to take him out. As to why, it seems most likely that Jahad simply refusing to let anyone else climb the tower beyond the 134th floor is the reason. What's actually on the 135th floor is mysterious as a result, as whatever it is, it convinced Jahad and the other great family heads that they ought to stop climbing the tower and just rule over it. So it could be that the adminstrators are simply looking for someone who will actually try to finish climbing, which is the tower's whole purpose here.
2:25 it's shinheuh lol, or you can just call it deepsea fish
Very interesing topic. SIU really created a great fking series, there is soo much depth to it, it should be much more popular
If administrators were shinheuh, wouldn't that make Traumerei the most powerful in the Tower ? Traumerei can control every creature in the Tower except Humans because of free will, and I expect administrators. But then what is the difference ?
Administrators are divine seafish that are beyond humans in power as well as intellect/wisdom,traum cant control beings which transcend his being even if they are techically shinhue.
Wild take Phantaminum is a being from higher levels of the tower.
the tower itself might exist in the bermuda triangle. don't mind me, just my wild theory
The Headon is undoubtedly a god and the creator of the tower, and the tower would be an exponent for a new god, and the fact that this supports is that in several passages he is treated with specific honorifics as if he owned the place, and most importantly, when baam opens the door, and that whole test pass happens, we see that he knew one thing that would be tog's story, he talks to rachel if she did him a favor, she would be the protagonist from the story of tog, which in theory would belong to baam, and we don't know how the axis influence the "history" I believe that headon is an axis because he broke the 4th wall, because it didn't seem like a metaphor, and we know that someone has to having created the tower, and what makes the most sense is the guardian of the first floor, because he is the link between the outside and the inside of the tower,and as if he felt the power of the outside god who influenced the creation of this story baam's fate, and if he manages to interfere in tog's future, in this story, that means that he is at least an axis, or a type of god really, because I think axes can only be "human", headon can be a god of that world where the tower is alocated, something similar to a divine being, that is even stronger than an axis, who knows? , because we know that a character with an Egyptian design, with so much symbolism in tog, would not be an ordinary character.
Note: it is important to note that in the anime, the headon staff has, in place of the spheres, the shape of the planet earth.
an entrance and exit out of the home is always at first floor not top of it ... and its obviosu that hedon is the god of the tower we have been hinted tons of times its him ... he is different thatn any other fish ... heck he is even a fish but he is also rabbit and he is also shark shark which is the strongest fish ... hedon knew the language of outsiders , hedon was speaking to baam even before baam get into the tower he was speaking literally while baamn was outside of the tower its there in first episode of the anime ... and there was a hand who appeared and took baam inside of the tower and hedon was speaking to him more likely he tricked baam and opened tower for baam ... he tricked rachel then he tricked baam since baam wouldn't say no if there was rachel so first rachel then baam its the orcestrated ... and if hedon wanted to kill jahad or administrators had any problems and wanted to rebel they could kill everyone by their own power ... they live and do what they like ... that's it ... jahad's contract doesn't let him to go aboe and his immortal doesn't spread above 134 floor so he is stuck there that's it ...
@@g_phantom_1252 yes, and he seems to know that there is a power of an axis influencing the tower, with that baam speech, and I believe that axes are only the so-called "humans" in TUS, which leads me to believe that there may be beings superior to the axis , I don't remember if the creator of the work said that the axis is the greatest power in the work of the universe of tus, but this is interesting, there is a lot of occult symbolism in the work, it is a differentiated work.and you yourself confirming this context, headon is a real god, and it leads me to another question, what does a god like headon need that he cannot do himself, and asks rachel for help and even offering a favor, that sounds very strange , I can't think that jahad controls headon or anything like that, if that's the case, and I believe that headon doesn't even care who the king of the tower is, maybe he is restricted by his own rules created in the beginning and needs help to change the tower? but what would be what he wants rachel to get, you know.
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Iirc there used to be a god in TUS controlling the Axis with their broken abilities but that being then disappeared and a few theorists use this as basis for their theory about the Tower being supposed to create a new god above the Axis. Also Axis are beings in TUS who were once human before they ascended somehow to demi-god hood.
I think outside god and phantaminium are 2 different beings
Definitely since SIU said Enryu and Phantaminum never met each other then Phanta can't be the Outside God plus it would make no sense to send Enryu to delivers the thorn destined to kill Zahard in the tower if it's for showing up in the tower a few millenias later to face Zahard without killing him and vanishes.
We haven’t seen, mokotou shinshu type
You having final fantasy x themed music in the back bumper you back up to my #1
enryu with the glasses on, haha, that was pretty good