EMR HST in FIRST CLASS from London to Leeds
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2020
- A trip from London to Leeds aboard one of the few remaining slam-door HSTs in first class!
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Date of Travel: 26 September 2020
Class of Travel: First Class
Rolling Stock: Intercity 125 (Class 43/Mk3)
Cost of Ticket: £23.40 ($30.27, €25.65)*
Origin: London St Pancras International, United Kingdom (England)
Destination: Leeds, United Kingdom (England)
*Currency conversions correct as of 09/10/2020
Other info:
In terms of bicycle storage, these are usually stored in coach A (the standard class coach closest to the power car.)
Most EMR Intercity services only go as far as Nottingham or Sheffield but two trains in the morning will start in Leeds with two evening trains (this being one of them) terminating in Leeds.
While a limited complimentary offer has been reintroduced in first class, there is still no catering available in standard class (even on weekdays.)
Intercity 🚆 125.. One of world's greatest trains
Massive thanks to the late Sir John Betjeman who spear-headed the campaign to save the façade.
A metal statue of him is on the concourse as a continual reminder.
Too bad that he wasn't called on to save Penn Station in New York back in the 1960's.
@@Neville60001 So very true! But thankfully we still have St. Pancras in London and Grand Central in NYC.
Too bad that he couldn't save euston station though
St Pancras was the Head Office of British Transport Hotels I know that as I was a manager of many of the hotels.
Nice!
Thanks, Dylan! Of course I liked this video. You travel for us, well. The whole station is well displayed. In the midst of the current crisis, you are doing quite a bit to travel in good situations. I find. What a pity that the train is empty anyway, it deserves more travelers than that. Take care of yourself.
Fabulous video Dylan. I have the good fortune to drive these very trains out of St. Pancras and I can assure you I truly know how lucky I am. The view of the station when you arrive in to London is just incredible, and likewise as you snake out of the throat, pass the concrete terminal and open her up it sends a shiver down the spine as the turbo kicks in and the 'whine' starts. Make the most of these iconic trains, for all too soon they will, like all good things, be confined to history......
Wot?a Real TrainDriver!!? Oh- the lovely turbo whine!(-one day soon there'll be no more 'engines', but only 'motors'.) :-(
Thanks! Nice! What an amazing job to be able to drive these iconic trains.
the hst's will be a huge miss when they are retired. a set that has stood the test of time. still living its twilight years in scotland, the west country and on xc routes
It's a shame that Great Western Railway didn't see fit to deploy some on the cross-country route between Cardiff and Portsmouth via Newport, Bristol, Bath, Salisbury and Southampton!
Would be awesome if you could do some vids on the more iconic stations themselves. You seem To have the knowledge and admiration for them that would make them very successful. Transportation hubs and great architecture seem to go hand in hand. A full history of St. Pancras would be most enjoyable. Thank God for those who mindfully make the effort to save such treasures. Thanks for all your hard work.
13:23 Note that these HST coaches had no "retention tanks" and therefore deposited their waste directly onto the tracks, hence why there were notices telling you not to flush whilst in stations!
Please tell me I'm not the only one who waves back whenever Dylan wave at the mirror. I do it on every bloody video lol.
Lol
@@DylansTravelReports how do people get on the eurostar platform? Those doors automatic or are they opened by a swab key or barcode reader in your ticket?
@@joethrelfall6370 its completely different. You have to go onto the lower level of the station, check in, go through customs and security into a departure lounge. You then take travelators back up to the platforms from the departure lounge
I do the same!
@@sebdaboss7356 similar to an Airport then.
I have a suggestion. How about one day doing a heritage railway? See how things used to be, and current way they are operated. Just a thought.
The station is breathtaking
Excellent video. I remember St Pancras in the 1980’s, a far darker, gloomier, grottier place, but still full of old charm and character. The transformation there has been incredible 😎🇬🇧👍🏽 built on stilts (now shops etc down there) as it was originally used to store barrels of beer under the station which were trained down from Burton-Upon-Trent brewery. I was lucky enough to be on board the very last HST 1L71 from Swansea to Paddington on their last day with GWR with 43002 Sir Kenneth Grange at the front and 43198 at the rear, the very 1st power car built and the very last together, a fitting tribute. Great trains, it will be sad to see them depart from the MML 😦🇬🇧👍🏽
Thanks! Thankfully, they will remain on the MML for a few years to come yet.
Is really an Architectural Master Piece that St. Pancras Station, I think is the Queen of Railroad Stations, at least in England. Is so good to know that there has been someone as coragious as to dare to save it from demolish...!!! Thank you Sir John Betjeman. Yikes, that looks like a ghost train man..!! Absolutetly empty... Thanks for the ride..!!👍
Thanks Dylan.- Another great video.
I hope the HSTs are still runing on this route when the pandemic is over, as after watching this I'd like to do this journey too, and now having a senior pass, I can go 1st class. What a bargain!
Thanks! They should be although they may no longer have the slam-doors.
The HST's are still a great train despite the wear and tear now becoming evident in some units. I expect the short formed 4 car "Castle" refurbished HST units on GWR offer a more modern and non slam-door travel environment.
Great video, as always. Stay safe in these troubled times.
Thanks! I agree. Stay safe!
Do they still use both locos for the 4 car formation? They must go like a rocket!
@@stevecooksley Yes they do and they go like the wind.
@@stevecooksley I haven't been on the castle sets but yeah they will definitely accelerate faster than a traditional HST set. I can tell on the Angel sets, and they have 6 carriages. In fact an EMR guy has said the angel sets have a similar acceleration to the 222's.
Just looking at the outside of the station, it was quite a surprise to see the huge open area inside.
The champagne bar is pricey, but not as bad as you'd think! Small dinner and a flute of champagne was around £25 if I recall, certainly worth it for eating dinner in such a cool setting while waiting for a delayed train.
That's not too bad. May just do it once but I'm more of a beer guy myself 😅
I used to travel on EMR a lot to and from London before everything turned upside down. Catering has always been not great at weekends which is a shame, but first class at weekends is normally cheaper.
But I love the HST and the old coaches. There so much comfier and the squeaks and rattles are also what makes it .
But the best is what you mentioned. The doors and opening them from outside and slamming them shut. Then you know it’s a good old fashion train lol
Honestly, if it was up to me, all the trains would still have slam doors 😂
I love the slam doors and the "slam" noise! St. Pancras is truly a lovely, lovely station. I'm so glad it was not torn down.
I guess EMR is catering (no pun intended) specifically to the business class in doing catering during the week but not on the weekends. They should at least bust out some sandwiches for first class passengers.
Thanks for the video, Dylan. Stay safe and see you on Monday!
Its a bit covid and it depends on stops, probably found that the catering units at stations outselling the on board offering.
I agree, the slam noise is amazing. See you Monday!
@@highpath4776 Incorrect, the weekend catering is provided by a third party (Rail Gourmet). They are currently on furlough hence why there's no catering in weekend or any standard trolley service in the weekday.
The company (SSP) owns RG, they also owns pretty much every shop/catering unit at every station. So either way SSP isn't losing out in revenue by having no catering onboard as its likely those who buy onboard will more likely buy from the station's shops etc.
This train met my standards--an electric outlet, windows that open, curtains, big table, lots of leg room, comfortable seats (but lever broken), clean bathroom with working toilet, faucet (soap?), wifi if you can get it to work. The only thing missing was catering service. And St. Pancras was beautiful.
You don't need Wi-Fi on a HST because the windows will easily let in a good strong 3G/4G signal from the mobile networks. The 3G/4G mobile signals will probably be way faster than any sort of on-train Wi-Fi system in the UK.
The same cannot be said about the HST's "successor", the Class 222 (and 220/221 in other parts of the UK).
These trains went at 135-140 mph on many occasions *in service* before limiters. 140mph was reached on the 'billiard table' on the London to Bristol Parkway route, and London to York. 130-135mph was reached more often. Those days are sadly long gone. London-York was done in 1 hr 40mins on a couple of occasions I was on them. Now everything is bureaucratised into the ground and if they have any more change of crews on a journey, we may as well give up!
Bristol Parkway is my nearest station and GWR are claiming that the Class 800s are quicker going to London. If only someone could get a HST going at 148mph again I would be the happiest person in the area 😁
I’m relieved (though sympathetic to you) that I’m not the only one who has trouble using the recline the first class seats on EMR HST’s. I travel on them several times a year and I’ve never been in a seat that will recline. Great video Dylan!
Thanks! Glad to know it's not just me 😅
I love your videos. They've helped me stay calm during this nightmare. I am thinking about moving to the UK in 2-3 years. Can't stand it here anymore.
are you Covid?
Glad they've helped. All the best!
If you're in the USA I completely understand your wanting to leave. So do I. When the Covid restrictions are lifted I am booking a trip to London. We are allowed to stay for 3 months which will be enough time to decide to relocate permanently.
@@Tina-qp7py my plans just fell through anyways. Guy I have a crush on doesn't like me anymore.
@@projectamis4772 There will be other crushes!
👍👍 very thorough as always Dylan, thanks and stay safe.😷
10:14 "As it's autumn, dusk is upon us soon after departing London". Wow Dylan, you should write poetry or at least a novel of the "spooky Haloween" kind. Loved your video like always!
I've been watching your vids since the first lock down here in the USA. You've help make this pandemic a little bit more bearable. Thank you.
Glad you're enjoying them. Stay safe!
Much anticipated!!!
Amazing and Brutally honest review!
Great video as expected!
ThanQ for this amazing video, Bro.
Glad you liked it!
Nice save, Sir John!
Lovely tour...thanks!
Years ago I was amazed to see modern HST with outward opening doors on TV shows. In Victoria, only the wooden cars BPL and the dreadful BCPLs had outward opening doors and were phased out around 1980 after someone fell out. We used to say BPL stood for Bouncing Passenger Lounge. The Victorian system is broad guage and these cars were slighly narrower in case two passing trains had doors open they wouldn’t contact. The Queensland system also used wooden cars with outward opening doors and you can see on crossing loops that the narrow guage tracks were spaced far enough so that open doors on passing trains wouldn’t connect. Still I imagine given the speeds the HSTs did that the doors would be electronically locked.
It’s many years ago, but as I recall it, the locking mechanism was retro-fitted to the slam doors on most British trains including the 125’s. (I’m not sure about the London commuter stock that had doors all along the coaches, I wouldn’t be surprised if they wangled some sort of exemption as you’ll only find footage of them with the doors being opened while the train is still coming to a stop) They were put in as a safety measure following an inquiry into an accident. Subsequent refits of the interior of the coaches makes them look ‘designed in’ but in older unrefurbished stock the display to indicate the door was openable is very clearly a bolted on upgrade.
You've just made me remember stopping a drunk sailor from falling out of the Spirit of Progress when he opened an exit door thinking it was the toilet. 1956 it was. No wonder I'd nearly forgotten it.
@@brucewilliams8714 The QR “Lander” trains all had a catch on the external door handles, you had to press and turn at the same time, presumably to prevent drunks and sleepwalkers from opening external doors.
I’m reminded of a minor incident at Sunshine where I was on a special made up of wooden BPL cars with outward opening doors, the platform sloped downwards and the track had a slight lean and the train moved slightly and an open door got caught on the platform. The guard had the train set back so the door could be closed. It could not be closed by a person until the train had been moved.
PS I had this problem with my car where I was driving a large passenger and the open door sunk into the nature strip and couldn’t be closed.
St. Pancras Station would be worth a guided tour ; what a fantastic station. And those doors on the train that open outwards (you call them slam-doors ?) that is so British. Just like in the movies. The price is certainly fair and yes those seats look comfy. I imagine EMR does not offer weekend food service because of the low ridership; the people catering would cost more than they bring in. There were very few people in First Class, I trust there were more in the other cars. Once again Dylan an excellent review. If I ever take the Eurostar I simply have to stay in that hotel before or after !
Thanks! Yes, slam-doors just after the noise they make 😁
The old trains gave you the best first class experience. This new era of first class is quantity not quality. It's really shows with some TOCs. Especially if your on a class 800 or using a 755 or 745.
Thanks for this review...when I lived in the UK 40 years ago, these trains were very futuristic and quite wonderful. Nothing in the US at that time to compare. Great review, and you’re right, their days are numbered. Stay safe!
Glad you enjoyed!
@@DylansTravelReports 😃
These are amazing!
I love hst’s, such a shame you can’t see them often.
Love every journey you take Dylan,thank you ..God bless you
Thanks 😀
Ah, yes! I enjoyed a brief journey from Sheffield to Nottingham aboard one of these HSTs back in September 2018 and recall the first class interior and comfortable seats. Pity I wasn't going any further on that train. It's a pity that these particular sets are not being upgraded as they appear extremely well presented. That said there are probably lots of unseen wear and tear items that rate them too costly to retain and upgrade for disabled access versus the option of total fleet renewal. Thanks for showing the full external profile of the Renaissance Hotel at St.Pancras. It would be nice to see some of the interior, though I fear you don't yet have the clout and network of that fellow Portillo, who did do a brief insight on one of his travelogues. I'm sure your time will come! Keep up the good work. Cheers from Michael downunder.
I've only started watching you about 2 to 3 weeks ago, and I already like your reports! I subscribed.
little note: i found about your channel when i searched up class 802, and also found you in my recommended after i watched one of your videos
Thanks 😁
Great video St Pancras Station and hôtel always beautiful sight to see the seats on the HSTs look good and also you got to have your own private coach however it is sad because very few people travelling on trains even when lockdown was eased last year hopefully this year rail ridership will recover and come back as a tradition
Thank you for the video.
Nice train ride thru English countryside despite trains are old but wonderful l love the old train station decor and price is good and hopefully soon catering services on weekend.
Thanks Dylan superb video 👍
Glad you enjoyed 😁
Really enjoyed the video i must admit I really enjoy travelling on H.S.T stock forst travelled on them in 1978 when stationed near Cardiff, in the last couple of years have done trips from Inverness and Aberdeen on them still very comfortable.
Glad you enjoyed! I agree, still amazing trains.
Love the vids, keep them rolling in!
Thanks 😁
Wonderful Compilation
Thanks!
That was lovely! No better place to embark on a trip than from St. Pancras station. The architecture is fabulous. I’m so glad it wasn’t torn down. The train seemed rather nice. I agree with you that if catering can happen on weekdays, why not weekends as well? I hope you enjoy a nice weekend. 🍂
Glad you enjoyed! Have a good weekend 😁
Great video !!
Thanks!
I went on an old stock HST train on the Monday after you shot this video. Interior was the old red (and comfy) seats without headrests. Be a sad day when they're withdrawn from service.
My last trip on an HST of any description was in September 2019, albeit it was with LNER
As for the catering they are cutting costs. There is no reason that it cannot be offered. Love the review as always and I like your style.
Thanks!
I enjoyed your review, which I thought was very fair. The HSTs have stood the test of time very well, but as you say they are now showing their age ! Let's hope the IETs due to replace them, will have such good seats, and a proper catering service !
Thanks! I imagine the IETs that replace them will have similar seats to all the others (for better or for worse.)
St Pancras station looks like a castle. Those coaches don't look all that bad. You've knocked another one out of the ballpark Dylan. Great job.
Thanks!
HST'S are the best !!! Thank you for sharing this with us!!! :):):)
Another great video!
Thanks!
Ah St Pancras :) beautiful station and another station I used to commute regularly from Loughborough (Leicestershire)
It looked like the seat-recline lever might have been the old original equipment from when the HSTs were brand new. If I've guessed right, I'm very impressed by the overall quality of the seat as a whole at that age.
Yes I have a feeling the whole shell of the seat was original with just the cushions being replaced. Very impressive really.
Yet another thumbs up Dylan.
Thanks 😁
That Station looks very cool and i know its going to be a good vid 👍🏻
10:22-10:28 I miss those classic HST engines
That exterior facade is breathtaking. Whoever created the demolishment plans is a fool.
These trains looked so space age ultra modern when I travelled on them in the 1980s. The look charmingly antiquated now.
But so iconic- they will attract a lot of attention when they bow out
Bit late watching the video but another great video none the less. In my mind, St Pancras has the most beautiful station facade in the UK without a doubt. Still havent visited yet but will get around to one day and hopefully stay the night at the hotel once re-mortgaged the house. lol.
Amazing seats and train.
Thoroughly enjoyed that young man. 👍
Glad you enjoyed 😁
Hi Dylan, Excellent video,!!!!
Glad you enjoyed 😁
That was really good thank you...
Glad you enjoyed 😁
Done it last saturday to leicester, it was a Great ride
thanks for all the infos> pandemic year traveling with no passengers
Enjoyed the trip dylan.I enjoy the older trains as[in my opinion] they have more class.The ticket cost surprised me[despite] the discount a first class ticket london/leeds under£24.00 very reasonable.
Thanks! I agree, old (loco hauled) trains are much better imo.
I wanna get myself on the very last service when the unfortunate time comes! Great video as always!
Thanks! Sounds like a plan.
Someone did say that before covid happened, EMR was planning to do a railtour as the last HST service. Not sure if it is happening still. Obviously depends on how Covid is, when the HSTs do retire. But at least you got around 3 years for that to happen as the 810's should be in service in 2023.
Well, at least if you can't get catering on the train - 50 pence is a pretty good price for a Boots BLT!
£5 extra for a “private car” isn’t that bad at all. 😊
There weren't many people travelling on that particular train! Apparently rail ridership has fallen to mid-19th Century levels during the Covid-19 pandemic!
Never travelled on EMR. But I'm well familiar with Leeds railway station, as I travelled to/from there multiple times
i love your videos, i wish that some day i can travel to Europe and see the marvellous railway network that they have.
Remember having to catch this train from Nottingham to Leeds. Was always like boarding a rubbish truck. Makes you wonder how scruffy people were who did the London to Nottingham part of the trip. So glad i do not have to catch that service anymore.
We are waiting for your next video Dylan
Good Friday matinee show..Cheers..Waiting for tour SBB train IR2522 lucerne to Bern, as i run the marklin model train everyday !
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I travelled with EMR on a HST service between London and Leicester last November (north in the morning, south in the evening); honestly, I'm not bothered about doing it again. I hope to do a service on a class 222 meridian sometime, and also on a class 360 with them when the Corby services start being served by EMU's
Yeah the Meridians are also quite nice and certainly nowhere near as bad as people like to make out.
@@DylansTravelReports I prefer the GWR HST sets to the EMR HST sets, in part due to (in my opinion) the Great Western Mainline having a much better ride quality for HST sets than the Midland Mainline does. Unfortunately, I never got the chance to travel on an LNER HST set
These HSTs still have the original 1976 seats and arrangement and they are still good, the trains themselves are great and much better than the ICE 800 replacements on other routes, they deserve their place in history and they are still so comfortable to travel in, long may they be around.
It's amazing when you consider how old they really are.
Got to say great video and got to admit I have one new thing today. I didn't realise there was another entrance exits for London St Pancras next to the hotel. Pre-covid I pretty much used to use the entrance/exit on the bottom level on Euston Road. I guess when I'm next in London I have to try this entrance.
Regarding the lounge, I have heard they may be reopening them in the few weeks, however I suspect they will limit the number of people in or/and limit how long you can spend in there. The buffet/weekend freebies they are coming back however likely to be limited. This is due to EMR using RG staff for the weekend 1st class, and the RG staff are currently furloughed (hence why there's no standard trolley on weekdays).
Also I would say I'm surprised that people aren't either wearing facemasks or/and social distancing when it comes to the gateline bit of the video, but honestly I'm not really surprised, given how people aren't fully taken the virus seriously.
I am surprised that Coach F (the buffet car) has LNER moquette/leather material for its seats, despite not being a LNER carriage.
12:51 EMR carriages are probably the worst ones for squeaking, and the ride quality to me isn't the best (like basically bouncing at 125mph). Honestly I seen people attempt to have phone calls in the vestibule areas, and I do wonder how they do it. I know the Angel sets (ex-GC) are a lot better though currently only one set (DY21) is out so you don't have much of a choice when it comes to finding a journey with it.
I haven't been on a LNER one yet but I would expect the noise/ride quality will be like EMR carriages or hopefully fingers cross like the angel sets.
The kinda good thing about train travel during the pandemic is that people aren't paying extra for 1st class (as you no longer get any benefits, or if you get freebies, its less than what you would get pre-covid). I did a XC journey. No one in 1st class and when I bought my ticket standard was more expensive than 1st by an extra £5. So I seen it as XC giving me a £5 to have my own private coach. I did talk to the guard and apparently no one came in 1st class since the journey started in Edinburgh (I boarded at Derby).
15:39 To answer your question. As mentioned in my buffet/freebie comment earlier, EMR (and during EMT days), RG staff were employed to do a weekend buffet service, so as they are furloughed EMR can't offer a weekend service (which is only really a biscuit and hot drink/cold drink.)
P.S. EMR will deny this but on weekend services, in 1st you can go up multiple times for the freebies (obviously don't go up enough times to clear the RG guy out).
Good information!
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. As for the LNER moquette in the buffet car, I have a feeling this set may have (at least in part) been loaned to LNER at one point or another as I've known EMR/EMT coaches to be part of an LNER consist in the past.
@@DylansTravelReports Oh yeah completely forgot about the LNER set with the EMT/EMR buffet car. It does make sense given that unit was "on loan" with LNER since East Coast had the franchise.
@@Tina-qp7py Thanks. Happy that it helped.
I always enjoy your videos. Could you include the noise level in each of your trips? It would be interesting to compare trainsets to see which ones are the most quiet.
Thanks! I'll bear that idea in mind. Thanks for the suggestion 😁
We have HST lookalike trains in New South Wales that run intrastate as well as to Melbourne and Brisbane. Have only traveled a couple of times many many years ago now.
Ah yes, I've heard about them. Aren't they HST power cars with American made Budd passenger cars?
@@DylansTravelReports Yes, I believe so. One had a fatal accident here in Victoria not that long ago after it was travelling way over the permissible track speed.
@@DylansTravelReports Yes & the seats rotate so always facing the direction of travel - total waste of money IMHO but it keeps the locals happy!
11:30 I like that: if you're on a budget, get a cheap sandwich with a "reduced" sticker on it, you'll end up paying a fraction of the price you would have normally paid. Just £0.50 for a BLT sandwich, not bad!
Airlines are retiring their 747s and now train companies are retiring their HSTs what a great shame
Ik 😭
It might now be EMR, but that was one EM-T train (sorry!) - I guess the catering isn't available at weekends as first class tickets are a lot cheaper then and they don't have the same staff level. And the reverse at Nottingham means you have a lot of walking to do either end for a first-class passenger - there should be a car there waiting for you! Thank you for another HST review - still my favourite train.
I think they also operate a faster service to Leeds that is basically an extension of their hourly Sheffield service. Obviously operated with an HST so it can go to Neville Hill after. All Leeds services are HSTs because they are allocated to Neville Hill.
Yes I think they must as there's another one that departs 90mins later but arrives in Leeds just 30mins after we did.
And to think I was on that exact train, in Coach H! Surprised I didn’t see you.
Wow, how cool! I didn't move from my original coach at all until after Nottingham so if you got off before that, that would be why you didn't see me 😁
With all that space, you could have taken one of the larger seats. :) I can’t wait to travel again.
Saw a hst today it was cross country on the main line between Paddington and Penzance
EDIT: there was also a est just before it and the hst sounded it’s horn
I got do excited 😊
Of course, had you travelled from Bedford to London St Pancras, it would have been the Bed-Pan service.
Live abroad and my kids loved it when we came back in summer and went Newcastle - Alnmouth on the "'proper train with slammy doors." And you can put your head out of the window too.....OOPS. Don't tell the HSA.
Don't worry, I'll keep my mouth shut 😅
Will be so sad when slam door HSTs are no more. The ones with powered doors just aren't the same.
No weekend service will probably be because of staff availablity due to the risks involved and hours worked (also staff likely still on furlough)
good luck to youir travel in the pandemic year
Woah - the journey to Leeds via the MML is definitely a lot longer than via the ECML (3h40m vs 2h15m). I would say you took the scenic route ... except it was dark! :P Are they still electrifying the MML ... or was that cancelled?
Some of it has been but idk if they ar cancelling doing the rest.
Oo very close to home for me today (Leeds)
Great trip. Do you have people you stay with at the end of all these trips? Or just turn around and comeback? Looks like fun
BC Cda
Often I just stay in a hotel but sometimes I have folk I can stay with
Awsome i love the HST S and even more so when you got the old doors how long do you think EMR well keep them for i hop a long time to come 👍😀
The slam doors have to be retrofitted by the end of 2021 but they will keep the HSTs for another few years yet.
@@DylansTravelReports cool thanks for that mate 👍 keep up the good video's
A whole carriage to yourself BLISS! Shame about the food! but I hope you where able to get a good dinner when you got there!
Paul Lucas has a video from earlier this month, (HST 1st Class) with a map at around 8:30. He might let you know how he does it.