I made a video about this topic some time ago too. It's sad that after all this time, the problem still persists. There is software to convert your prores raw file to cinema dng, but we all know the process is long, painful, and you need massive hard drive space. Thanks for the video! Awesome job. Hopefully someone at Adobe can make a recommendation to add white balance and tint changes.
Look up Grant Petty Vs Jeremy Young to see why you can't edit Prores RAW in Resolve. The co founder of Atomos used to work at Blackmagic. He signed a non competition agreement and when he left and set up Atomos Grant took him to court. So it is politics, but not in the way you thought.
@@NewCompVisualsthere is if you search it, if you dove down this rabbit hole like a few of us have…you 100% know why we don’t get ProRes RAW in DaVinci. There’s no conspiracy, it’s out there - you just gotta piece together the story on your own
ProRes RAW in Davinci Resolve, if done properly, would be pretty much perfect for anyone nitpicky about conserving details in lowlight videography. But it seems like all we have right now are choices between different sets of compromises. Thank you for highlighting this!
FCPX editor here and I can confirm, ProRes Raw is a dream to work with… if you use FCPX. However the Raw settings tab is also kind of hidden in Final Cut too. Strange.
Grant Petty, CEO of Blackmagic, will never, ever do a thing to help Jeremy Young, an ex-employee of Blackmagic. Plenty of articles on it. There are other things about Jeremy Young that make me conclude I would never trust Jeremy Young either. Grant’s track record, on the other hand, in supporting the film, broadcast and videography sectors is extraordinary.
Ha! I remember I was so excited for when Prores Raw was announced and looked up info on it several times a week and asking myself the questions: "What will you be able to do with it? This will change everything!" etc etc. I gave up Proresraw and Premiere to get better RAW controls with the format when it passed year 3-4 since they started "supporting" it, and I jumped to Davinci instead. Thankfully Resolve supports my Nikons RAW formats right away
Pro Res Raw, Light Room & Atomos CEO are an absolute genius combination, being able to post adjust white balance on the raw files is a game changer for anyone filming underwater, you don't need anything else!
The biggest reason is that the CEO and founder of Atomos, Jeromy Young, used to be an engineer at BlackMagic. Grant and Jeromy hate each other. Or let’s say, Grant hates him for leaving the company. He may or may not have taken technology and poached staff with him.
I’m one of those poor souls that has an atomic ninja V & edits in resolve. The best workaround I’ve found is using Compressor to convert the ProRes raw to Prores4444. IMO both of them being 12 bit codecs i’m getting the benefits of more color info & still have yet to find what I’m gaining editing the RAW vs 12bit prores4444 (I know debayering in post is part of it, but ProRes raw & Braw both do partial debayering in camera/record) it’s a good workaround until I can replace with a video assist
I'm so ready for Sony to update the FX3 to support BRAW over HDMI but we have to wait until September 2025 to get that which absolutely blows. I like the bm video assist way more than the ninja V because you can record to SD cards. But I love the idea of recording weddings in raw just like I record audio in 32 bit float. Especially with how finicky slog3 can be sometimes having that raw wiggle room is ideal.
I like working with Prores Raw and sort of figured out a way to batch apply the colorspace, and I can tell some difference between the raw and just standard prores HQ, but it could be much better.
This is the whole reason I bought Blackmagic Video assist 12g instead of the Atomos Ninja. If I shoot raw, I want the ability to actually use it in my NLE of choice 😂 Also the compression options with PRR are pretty limited, whereas being able to go all the way to 12:1 compression in BRAW while still producing an excellent image is fantastic! I've started using BRAW in 12:1 compression for a lot of my commercial and corporate work, and it's been brilliant.
While the feud between Atomos and Blackmagic is unfortunate (childish?), is Apple playing the same game with Adobe? Why can't Premiere Pro have the same level of controls that FinalCut has when working with ProRes RAW? Does Apple expect people to give up Premiere Pro for FinalCut? More people are leaving Premiere Pro for Resolve, so it makes sense Adobe could retain some of those by offering full control of ProRes RAW within Premiere. It's games like this that lead to lose-lose situations for more people than the few who benefit from these proprietary "standards".
I think it also has to do with the cameras from BMD. Braw helped put their cameras on the map. It also helps move users to Resolve and in particular the paid version of Resolve. ProRes Raw is typically a superior raw format to Braw. It’s visually more like real raw video vs Braw and it’s also hardware accelerated on Apple Silicon which helps it perform really well. If ProRes raw is much better than some users might start to question buying BMD cameras. They will use cameras that provide better or different options like IBIS or auto focus or 16 stops of dynamic range. Aspects of cameras BMD just cannot compete with right now. Braw working really well with Resolve helps keep users in the BMD ecosystem. Supporting PeoRes raw makes users aware they don’t need to stay in that ecosystem. I could be wrong as well. No matter the actual reason it’s not a technical reason. Apple would happily license ProRes raw to BMD. This is most likely a political situation and it sucks. Instead of criticizing Apple, users need to start putting BMD on the spot. Start requesting this and demand it pointing out they know it’s all BMD holding this back. More reviewers need to call this out as BS instead of Apple always getting the blame. Apple FCP in turn doesn’t support Braw for no other reason then they will not write support for any proprietary raw format. Canon and Red wrote their own support for FCP. Any other camera manufacturer is welcome to work with Apple to support their raw formats. BMD is more than welcome and capable of writing their own support for FCP but they refuse to for what I believe the same reasons as above. If Braw works great on FCP and so does ProRes raw then users might start moving away from Braw and BMD hardware. It makes their ecosystem less necessary.
All Atomos would have to do is add cinemaDNG to their monitors and things would be better for everyone. I wish Lumix, and all these other companies that are getting raw internally would also offer cDNG as well. Again, Nikon who owns Red is the gatekeeper of raw now. Consumers really are getting screwed. You're correct. I think Atomos is just as evil as red was.
Conversely, Blackmagic is working with Apple (the ProRes people) to make a stereoscopic cinema camera for their 3D Virtual Reality Headsets. Go figure. I never considered Atomos for it's monitor/recorders because it's HDMI port did not work with all cameras with a HDMI output, not because of ProRes (even though it was reported to crash all the time). I have only ever had BMD cameras and DaVinci Resolve Studio, which has been fully built up from scratch. Both Apple and Adobe Editors have disparate, stitched together apps, plugins and features that they harvested from other makers.
Well, this problem seems to be solved, sort of, in the near future for Sony users who can record in Blackmagic RAW for the FX-6 and FX-9 and most likely this will be followed by the FX-3 and perhaps the FX-30. This might not only give a boost to Sony but also for Davinci Resolve as a platform to edit Sony footage. And of course it will make also make the Blackmagic RAW recorders much more populair. On the other hand it seem to be a bid blow to Adobe. If Sony and Apple are starting to prefer working with Blackmagic then there is a lot of power shifting towards Blackmagic.
I have one Iphone prorez raw clip on a Premier timeline. When I try to drag a new clip onto the timeline, I can only get sound, no video. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??
Es realmente un dolor de cabeza todo el proceso grabar en Prores Raw, convertir para editar y postproducir en Davinci. Mejor cambie a un monitor Blackmagic 12g. Aunque como monitor los Atomos también son buenos. Pero prefiero BRaw o RedRaw
Also, if these companies cannot make a deal, I think creators and influencers should collectively call for boycotts of companies who are making all of our lives harder (and more expensive). Do some activism and ally with like Gerald Undone, and others. Consumers need a seat at the negotiating table. This video could be the start of good things if you can organize with other influencers. Also, the subscription editing model has to completely go. There's competition and then there's pettiness.
I am a pc user a i had to work with Pro Res Raw for one time using Da vanci the workflow is too complicated .. in which i have to convert the footage which mean more time + Storage .. this sucks
@@kevinbillington9773no he’s talking about regular ProRes. It is not supported on Windows but it is on Macs. I believe this is because Microsoft stopped supporting ProRes sometime ago.
Hey matt!! I recently watched your video explaining the fx30 camera setup, but somehow, my camera is not going anywhere between 200 iso and 32,000 and I have the exact same settings as yours. Anything that could help to reach higher iso? Thanks in advance man🙌🏻
Thank god I edit in FCPX 😅😅. Left premiere behind when they raised the price to astronomical absurd pricing for the adobe suite. Now Capture one and FCPX are my go to
There are no way to decode ProRes RAW on Windows. Installed Apple ProRes RAW 1.3 for Premiere Pro, no luck. Change GPU from AMD RX to nvidia RTX, still no luck.
Sold my shitty Ninja V with it's scammy codec microtransactions and worse specs in general compared to the Video Assist 12g. Happy with Video Assist now and with BRAW.
Davinci does not support it that is why it is bad. Moreover prores raw is quite new to most user. But trust me, davinci will support prores raw soon or later
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I made a video about this topic some time ago too. It's sad that after all this time, the problem still persists. There is software to convert your prores raw file to cinema dng, but we all know the process is long, painful, and you need massive hard drive space. Thanks for the video! Awesome job. Hopefully someone at Adobe can make a recommendation to add white balance and tint changes.
Look up Grant Petty Vs Jeremy Young to see why you can't edit Prores RAW in Resolve. The co founder of Atomos used to work at Blackmagic. He signed a non competition agreement and when he left and set up Atomos Grant took him to court. So it is politics, but not in the way you thought.
Is there a video on this?
@@NewCompVisualsthere is if you search it, if you dove down this rabbit hole like a few of us have…you 100% know why we don’t get ProRes RAW in DaVinci. There’s no conspiracy, it’s out there - you just gotta piece together the story on your own
ProRes RAW in Davinci Resolve, if done properly, would be pretty much perfect for anyone nitpicky about conserving details in lowlight videography. But it seems like all we have right now are choices between different sets of compromises. Thank you for highlighting this!
FCPX editor here and I can confirm, ProRes Raw is a dream to work with… if you use FCPX. However the Raw settings tab is also kind of hidden in Final Cut too. Strange.
best video or learning on editing pro res raw?
Grant Petty, CEO of Blackmagic, will never, ever do a thing to help Jeremy Young, an ex-employee of Blackmagic. Plenty of articles on it.
There are other things about Jeremy Young that make me conclude I would never trust Jeremy Young either.
Grant’s track record, on the other hand, in supporting the film, broadcast and videography sectors is extraordinary.
Ha! I remember I was so excited for when Prores Raw was announced and looked up info on it several times a week and asking myself the questions: "What will you be able to do with it? This will change everything!" etc etc. I gave up Proresraw and Premiere to get better RAW controls with the format when it passed year 3-4 since they started "supporting" it, and I jumped to Davinci instead. Thankfully Resolve supports my Nikons RAW formats right away
Pro Res Raw, Light Room & Atomos CEO are an absolute genius combination, being able to post adjust white balance on the raw files is a game changer for anyone filming underwater, you don't need anything else!
Adobe always does the absolute minimum while charging an arm and a leg for their subscriptions. Terrible company.
I think atomos CEO used to work in BM and they didn't end this relationship very well.
The biggest reason is that the CEO and founder of Atomos, Jeromy Young, used to be an engineer at BlackMagic. Grant and Jeromy hate each other. Or let’s say, Grant hates him for leaving the company. He may or may not have taken technology and poached staff with him.
I’m one of those poor souls that has an atomic ninja V & edits in resolve. The best workaround I’ve found is using Compressor to convert the ProRes raw to Prores4444. IMO both of them being 12 bit codecs i’m getting the benefits of more color info & still have yet to find what I’m gaining editing the RAW vs 12bit prores4444 (I know debayering in post is part of it, but ProRes raw & Braw both do partial debayering in camera/record) it’s a good workaround until I can replace with a video assist
which software do you use for conversion?
I'm so ready for Sony to update the FX3 to support BRAW over HDMI but we have to wait until September 2025 to get that which absolutely blows. I like the bm video assist way more than the ninja V because you can record to SD cards. But I love the idea of recording weddings in raw just like I record audio in 32 bit float. Especially with how finicky slog3 can be sometimes having that raw wiggle room is ideal.
lol the first 90 seconds were directed at me specifically everyone 😂 thanks Matt
I like working with Prores Raw and sort of figured out a way to batch apply the colorspace, and I can tell some difference between the raw and just standard prores HQ, but it could be much better.
Adobe can easily do much more on that programming issue because its already fully options when you edit R3D Raw
This is the whole reason I bought Blackmagic Video assist 12g instead of the Atomos Ninja. If I shoot raw, I want the ability to actually use it in my NLE of choice 😂
Also the compression options with PRR are pretty limited, whereas being able to go all the way to 12:1 compression in BRAW while still producing an excellent image is fantastic!
I've started using BRAW in 12:1 compression for a lot of my commercial and corporate work, and it's been brilliant.
Some real journalism here...
Also, BRaw will be available for Sony FX cameras in September of next year if you use the Video Assist Recording Monitor...
While the feud between Atomos and Blackmagic is unfortunate (childish?), is Apple playing the same game with Adobe? Why can't Premiere Pro have the same level of controls that FinalCut has when working with ProRes RAW? Does Apple expect people to give up Premiere Pro for FinalCut? More people are leaving Premiere Pro for Resolve, so it makes sense Adobe could retain some of those by offering full control of ProRes RAW within Premiere. It's games like this that lead to lose-lose situations for more people than the few who benefit from these proprietary "standards".
I shoot cinema videos so only in Apple Pro Res Raw HQ. Massive files but like butter to work with in Fcp 11.
Very well explained Matt, I still use PremierPro, Hahahaha and I'm still happy with it.
I think you hit it right on the money.
Great Video!!
I just went ahead and brought the Raw Converter program.
Hey @whoismatt. Why don't you review the prores raw to CDNG converters?
I agree only because of the extra steps to edit it correctly in Davinci.
It does. It might be better in Scratch, but the lack of metadata controls in PP Pro makes it useless in most cases.
Own a Ninja Ultra because I much preferred the ProRes Raw support, but my present camera can record that codec internally, anyway...
I think it also has to do with the cameras from BMD. Braw helped put their cameras on the map. It also helps move users to Resolve and in particular the paid version of Resolve.
ProRes Raw is typically a superior raw format to Braw. It’s visually more like real raw video vs Braw and it’s also hardware accelerated on Apple Silicon which helps it perform really well.
If ProRes raw is much better than some users might start to question buying BMD cameras. They will use cameras that provide better or different options like IBIS or auto focus or 16 stops of dynamic range. Aspects of cameras BMD just cannot compete with right now.
Braw working really well with Resolve helps keep users in the BMD ecosystem. Supporting PeoRes raw makes users aware they don’t need to stay in that ecosystem.
I could be wrong as well. No matter the actual reason it’s not a technical reason. Apple would happily license ProRes raw to BMD. This is most likely a political situation and it sucks.
Instead of criticizing Apple, users need to start putting BMD on the spot. Start requesting this and demand it pointing out they know it’s all BMD holding this back. More reviewers need to call this out as BS instead of Apple always getting the blame.
Apple FCP in turn doesn’t support Braw for no other reason then they will not write support for any proprietary raw format. Canon and Red wrote their own support for FCP. Any other camera manufacturer is welcome to work with Apple to support their raw formats. BMD is more than welcome and capable of writing their own support for FCP but they refuse to for what I believe the same reasons as above. If Braw works great on FCP and so does ProRes raw then users might start moving away from Braw and BMD hardware. It makes their ecosystem less necessary.
I wonder if something similar is the case with Nraw and Adobe…
All Atomos would have to do is add cinemaDNG to their monitors and things would be better for everyone. I wish Lumix, and all these other companies that are getting raw internally would also offer cDNG as well. Again, Nikon who owns Red is the gatekeeper of raw now. Consumers really are getting screwed. You're correct. I think Atomos is just as evil as red was.
Very interesting Matt. Is there a way to convert ProRes raw to Blackmagic raw?
Are there any workarounds for da Vinci resolve?
Convert the Prores Raw file to a Cinema DNG file format using an app called Raw Converter.
Man you’re so funny. Hilarious. Great entertainment and education. Thanks again.
Conversely, Blackmagic is working with Apple (the ProRes people) to make a stereoscopic cinema camera for their 3D Virtual Reality Headsets. Go figure. I never considered Atomos for it's monitor/recorders because it's HDMI port did not work with all cameras with a HDMI output, not because of ProRes (even though it was reported to crash all the time). I have only ever had BMD cameras and DaVinci Resolve Studio, which has been fully built up from scratch. Both Apple and Adobe Editors have disparate, stitched together apps, plugins and features that they harvested from other makers.
It should be mentioned that Blackmagic also won't allow for ZRaw (ZCam's raw codec) in their platform.
Grant and Jeromy don't get along. Grant will not enable ProRes Raw because of it. Long standing feud.
Well, this problem seems to be solved, sort of, in the near future for Sony users who can record in Blackmagic RAW for the FX-6 and FX-9 and most likely this will be followed by the FX-3 and perhaps the FX-30. This might not only give a boost to Sony but also for Davinci Resolve as a platform to edit Sony footage. And of course it will make also make the Blackmagic RAW recorders much more populair. On the other hand it seem to be a bid blow to Adobe. If Sony and Apple are starting to prefer working with Blackmagic then there is a lot of power shifting towards Blackmagic.
I didn't know about the adobe secret menu. Thanks
I have one Iphone prorez raw clip on a Premier timeline. When I try to drag a new clip onto the timeline, I can only get sound, no video. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??
I wonder what Matt thinks of the new Mac mini m4 pro for video edit
Hoping to test it soon!
Es realmente un dolor de cabeza todo el proceso grabar en Prores Raw, convertir para editar y postproducir en Davinci. Mejor cambie a un monitor Blackmagic 12g. Aunque como monitor los Atomos también son buenos. Pero prefiero BRaw o RedRaw
I don't want those huge files.
Also, if these companies cannot make a deal, I think creators and influencers should collectively call for boycotts of companies who are making all of our lives harder (and more expensive). Do some activism and ally with like Gerald Undone, and others. Consumers need a seat at the negotiating table. This video could be the start of good things if you can organize with other influencers. Also, the subscription editing model has to completely go. There's competition and then there's pettiness.
Am I the first to mention your hilarious thumbnail? ❤
I am a pc user a i had to work with Pro Res Raw for one time using Da vanci the workflow is too complicated .. in which i have to convert the footage which mean more time + Storage .. this sucks
Is it worth buying an atomos ninja if I use da vinci resolve and I’m not planning to move to Final Cut? What codec May I use If so?
Davinci Resolve, on a PC have those issue with ProRes but DaVinci Resolve in a Mac don’t
You can edit prores RAW in Resolve on a mac, is that true?
@@kevinbillington9773no he’s talking about regular ProRes. It is not supported on Windows but it is on Macs.
I believe this is because Microsoft stopped supporting ProRes sometime ago.
@@kevinbillington9773 No u can't edit ProRes Raw in DR even on mac also.
Hey matt!! I recently watched your video explaining the fx30 camera setup, but somehow, my camera is not going anywhere between 200 iso and 32,000 and I have the exact same settings as yours. Anything that could help to reach higher iso? Thanks in advance man🙌🏻
well i have big issues with proresraw in premiere pro, there are a lot glitches :D so i stopped recording proresraw.
Nah. It's🔥! I love using the combination of Final Cut Pro + ProresRAW . You're using wrong tools for it.
Thank god I edit in FCPX 😅😅. Left premiere behind when they raised the price to astronomical absurd pricing for the adobe suite. Now Capture one and FCPX are my go to
There are no way to decode ProRes RAW on Windows. Installed Apple ProRes RAW 1.3 for Premiere Pro, no luck. Change GPU from AMD RX to nvidia RTX, still no luck.
Sold my shitty Ninja V with it's scammy codec microtransactions and worse specs in general compared to the Video Assist 12g. Happy with Video Assist now and with BRAW.
now lets discuss "RED's RAW' " lol
Is Pro-Res RAW sucks Matt, how does BlackMagic RAW compare? Isn't because they you to use Blackmagic RAW? Its Apple, Blackmagic and Atomos.
Apple pro res is apples way of being the gate keeper, pro res isn't as great as BlackMagic raw, or Red Raw..
Davinci does not support it that is why it is bad. Moreover prores raw is quite new to most user. But trust me, davinci will support prores raw soon or later
ProRes RAW is the biggest codec flop, hands down. I hate how it doesn't play well with other software apps minus apple final cut. It's so lame.
ProRes Raw chews through hard drives. If you're filing RUclips videos I dont recommend it.
At least the fx3 can record black magic raw…. In a year from now
Fcpx user here but still don’t care about Pro Res Raw. Braw was “fun” when I had a pocket 6k , but now shooting Sony and could care o less about raw
CinemaDNG FTW
Oh. So it’s like intel and apple with thunderbolt.
It was a disaster when using prores in premiere total crap!
Canon Raw and Raw light is supported! Who cares about black magic and pro res ? Helloooooo lol 😂
Braw rules.