This makes everything even worse 3 seconds later because then you'll remember that this thing is still better known then u and will generate more money than you will in your whole life......
Intel really took the whole "the roles are reversed" thing at heart, releasing a new generation worse than the previous one is straight from the AMD bulldozer book
It's event worse than buldozer times. The FX8350 could beat the competition at least in multicore tasks /games. Especially in newer games which could use more than only 4 threads
The 11900k has no place in any pc, but the lower end parts are pretty good actually. The 11600k is keeping up with the 5600x in productivity at a lower price. Intel should have skipped the i9 in this line up, now it will be a shit ton of negative publicity and money spend on a stupid product.
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS It's not worse, other that the wasteful single generation motherboard you need to buy to run it, the cost, the large heatsink requirement (not included) and the absolutely ridiculous power draw under full load. Oh wait, it's worse
bUt iT's FasTeR iN tHeSe tOtAllY nOt chERrY pIckEd nIcHE BeNChMArKs vS pReVIoUS gEn! Also the horror of Intel marketing showing 11900K being faster than 10900K in games... while later disclosing 10900K was power locked at PL1 125W and 11900K was almost power unocked at PL2 250W... Freaking disgusting.
@@Taurus_Play I think you misunderstood the joke.. He was saying that the 5800x is bad value compared to 5600 and 5900. But compard to the 11900K it seems reasonable again!
I have my criticism of 10900K (or "10th gen" in general)... but at least it arguably actually deserved the title of Intel flagship. Now this 11th thingy... this is just shit. Flagshit is spot on.
i got a i9 10900k last month to replace my 12 year old i7 2600 :) only thing i seen that beats a i9 10900k in gaming is the new amd 9 and were talking about only a few fps in SOME games not all!
@@uglyduckling81 Hardware Canucks are just photography enthusiasts that happen to shoot videos about PC hardware now and then. They know way more about how to set their cameras to the best settings than PC hardware.
if the 11100f had Iris XE igpu graphics it would have probably been godlike plus the b560 ram oc thing then it would beat AMD's carelessness to the Consumer APU Market
We really have, it even has the qualifications of being worse than the previous generation at certain tasks. It’s also somewhat of a repeat of the Pentium 4.
It's not even DOA, it's dead on the drawing board but somehow went through with it anyway. It's like Tejas back in the day but they didn't cancel it this time.
It's only dead because of it's price. It's performance is fine. It chews power like an Nvidia GPU. It just needs to be half it's current price to make sense.
@@jatxemo6156 Tejas? First combat iteration is done. It's not a great plane yet, but that isn't the point. Tejas is preparing India's industry to be able to make current and maybe next generations planes on their own - they succeeded more than they failed in this. But Intel is basically like saying Tejas is equal, no - better than newest F-16. No. If this was engineering sample to test something - then it would be a viable comparison.
@@monkeslayer-km5ho you can still play games with it that were released last year. That makes it relevant. Nm means nothing (for relevancy) . Popular xeons have high nm too and look at the performance you can get with those old bastards. Multithread > single thread. Clock speed OC records are still held by fx chips so even on the enthusiast level they're still relevant. Now I just wish I could convince everyone they're super awful so I can buy them cheaper.
It's not ever "AMD murdered Intel" anymore. It's like Intel engineers were pressured so much they decided to play an internal joke on the company before handing in their resignations and joining AMD. The only hope this "radiator compatible" cpu will sell is if it's priced less than $300 or maybe offered at i5 prices.
Sorry to inform you that it sold, and indeed sold well enough that on Amazon it's currently only available from third-party listings starting at $838. Welcome to the bold new market, where the rules are made up and the value doesn't matter... sigh.
This is hilarious. I don't know if I've ever seen such a clear cut turning of the tables. It's insane how Intel have taken EXACTLY the position AMD held with the FX series.
The higher end FX series had more cores (yes it had poor single thread performance) but here and now its actually doing better than similar aged Intel parts in newer benchmarks, they were a little ahead of their time if anything, at least it has that going for it.
They sort of didn't. Intel released a newer gen with: Less cores A one gen old uArch (11th gen desktop is Ice Lake, not Tiger Lake) Backported a 10nm uArch to a 14nm bigger node. AMD never did this. While most people make a meme out of AMD's Bulldozer uArch, quite a lot of people liked Piledriver (lower prices, higher IPC, higher clocks, lower observed power usage, higher OC potential, higher ram support, better northbridge OC, lower temps) It's just sad in retrospective AMD never refreshed their desktop parts for Steamroller, Excavator and Excavator v2. Excavator v2 on DDR4 would've had tremendously more IPC if it would've kept L3 cache as well vs Piledriver cores. Somewhere close to the 35-40% mark.
Not quite. FX was hamstrung due to how Windows managed the cores. Intel has no excuse. Also AMD added cores while Intel removed 2. So its kinda the opposite problem. Not exact sorry.
@@errorcode503 so they didn't discount 10th gen by up to 50% (=$1000) from the same spec 9th, 8th, 7th Gen CPUs, 🤔 might wanna go for an Early Onset Alzheimer's test
@@errorcode503 really they didn't start at 10th Gen 🙄, If you read my comment I didn't say 10th Gen were over priced, I said 7th, 8th & 9th Gens were overpriced, which was shown when they dropped prices for 10th Gen up to 50% which for some CPUs equaled $1000USD
You know the saying "dress for the job you want, not the job you have", well Intel has done the same thing with pricing, "price it for the CPU you want, not the CPU you have"
@@ave6358 that one was so bad I forgot it even existed :D But to give Intel credit, they actually tried there. Pentium D wasn’t a step back, it was a weird step sideways intended to keep up with AMD Athlon 64 X2 which turned out to be the main trend in the future, but was badly implemented and not supported by contemporary software and motherboards very well. It derives from Pentium 4 and merely inherits its main flaws. The engineer who came up with an idea of adding more cores was right, but the problem was Prescott cores were only able to scale heat output :D When Intel did the same thing with Core Duo architecture, which essentially was a modernized mobile Pentium III, they got much better result. Not the best processors, sure, but they were good enough and actually had performance gains. Pentium 4 itself, on the other hand... Oof! Whoever thought that NetBurst was a good idea for an ordinary desktop PC had to be kidding. Maaaaybe it was useful in some predictable server applications and data transfer oriented tasks, but that’s pretty much it, and the power requirements along with IPC losses made this series completely irrelevant. You were not going to sport so much data at the time for it’s advantage to matter, but you always have a perform and hit necessary for that. As the result, from an end-user perspective it was a processor with less IPC and bloated frequency, almost as if gigahertz were the only selling point. Almost as if they were designing a CPU to perform on paper. More jigahertz, less performance. Anything based on Pentium 4 architecture was doomed to turn out as a failure. Also Rambus. Same strory. More bandwidth for huge theoretical data transfers, but dogshit latency in the real world scenarios. Apparently they kept it for communication with GPUs, but I refuse to believe they did not see GDDR coming. All of that was advertised at nearly 900 USD for the top notch model on Pentium 4 release. At 1500MHz. That’s with Pentium III still existing and outperforming it without sweating. It was so bad Intel had to come up with a refresh couple of months later and cut the price for 1600MHz version by 2,5 times, and even that did not help sales. Then they doubled the frequency with Prescott, but got little to no performance improvement. Pentium 4 was the reason of all major Intel failures for several years to come. Of corse I think Intel realized the mistake, but it took a lot of time to roll back to P6 architecture and sufficiently modernize it. And I think AVX512 is the new NetBurst gimmick all over again. More energy consumption again. Huge-ass bloated cores again. It may be useful in some server applications again, but it has marginal real world improvement because tasks which benefit from AVX512 do benefit from GPU computation even more, so suitable only to report “20% gen-over-gen advantage”. Sure it’s an IPC gain, in AVX512 optimized tasks, but it’s an IPC loss if anything without it due to AVX offsets. KEKW!
Some people creates a rock solid thought like 'Intel always worked for me'' then they procced to only buy intel and not looking into reviews and opinions on the competitors product.
@aquapendulum "I'm gonna predict the stock for this CPU will be abundant. Due to low demand." You severely underestimate the stupidity of corporate fanboys. I literally had a conversation with a real life friend of mine who said he's gonna buy the 11900k anyway cuz he needs to upgrade his 6700k. I told him to go for a 5900x instead, his reply was "nah I'll just go intel".
@@nathanallen7596 there was a tech youtuber named Kevin. He ran a channel called Tech Showdown. He unfortunately passed away due to medical complications. Teddy was his co host on his channel. After he passed, Steve brought teddy to the hardware unboxed studio and he has been there ever since as a way to remember Kevin.
could you also color the previous gen part next time? That makes it just that little bit easier to compare the generational improvement (or in this case, decrease)
@@dudebroguymate yeah but AMD is not always in stock and sometimes the prices are high. Buy whatever you can find that gives you best price-to-performance.
Thats the weirdest comment ive ever seen........... Though if youre the sort bloke who likes in thumbs in bums, i can see why you'd say that. But either way its still pretty farkin weird XD XD XD
The problem is: here in Europe AMD 5900X and 5950X simple don't exist. There are no such processors. So comparing something that doesn't exist to something that does or might, doesn't make much sense. Unless intel availability will also be so horrible than the whole conversation is just pointless.
Since Core i9 isn't a mandatory part of their lineup historically, you'd think they'd have just branded it i7 this gen and avoided most of the flak from reviewers. I'd personally be fine if they had said, 'hey, 8 cores is the best we can do this go around, so i7 is flagship for this gen".
I posted a similar comment on another review. If they would have just been honest and said, hey, we will only have i7's for 11th gen and priced them all at 11700k prices, Intel would have looked pretty good. But because they had to be greedy, they decided to make this god-awful CPU and price it way too high.
Compating your review and the GN review to LTT I'm shocked how little they mentioned the fact that the 11900k literally can't even beat its previous model most of the time.
Yeah, so: - The 3900X is better for $410 - The 10850K is better for $400 - The 5800X is better for $449 - The 11700K is almost the same chip for $400 - The 5900X curbstomps it for $549 - The 10700KF gives you 85% of the performance for $265 This thing is garbage in comparison to every high-end CPU within a country mile of it, and there isn’t even a single use case where you aren’t better off with something else. I sincerely hope Intel can finally flush out the bean-counters now that they’re over this hump.
I mean, I'd at least give the Rocket Lake i5s a shot. It's a real shame that my takeaway from the various Rocket Lake reviews is that only the lower-end SKUs can be considered at least passable...
@@SlayerSeraph I got my 5900x from Micro Center. Had to drive two and a half hours but I walked in around noon and got one no problem. Paired it with an Asus x570-i Strix mini itx board and RTX 3090 FE. Everything watercooled in the Lian Li 011 mini case with 3 radiators (2- 360mm and 1-240mm). Oh and 32gb of Flare X 3200 C14 ram. I have my old 9900k system for sale now lol.
Alder lake is going to havw a tough time too, leaks of early engineering samples have show Zen4 has a 29% core for core performance improvement. It's also said that the 5nm process it's on will reach 5Ghz, so it's looking like Zen4 will have 30%+ core for core performance improvements, so Intel doesn't have an easy road ahead
There was never any guarantee of forward 11th gen CPU compatibility for all Socket1200 chipsets. B460 was garbage anyway due to the lack of memory overclocking, hence why B560 is so interesting, especially in concert with a 10400F or 11400F. Will be interested to see how these two CPUs compare.
Intel, if they weren't so hopelessly arrogant, should've just released this as the i7 11700K and have no i9 parts. Because this is a pretty good 8-core CPU, and it really trade blows with R7 5800X. Which is quite a feat, given it's 14nm vs 7nm. Yeah, on power usage there's no competition, but that's the manufacturing process forcing the laws of physics. The chip design is genuinely impressive. They only needed to release this part as $400-450 and there would have been less "why is this even released ?" "waste of sand" etc conclusions about this CPU and lineup in general. Also, truly, there no 11th gen CPU that should have the i9 branding. Nothing about it is extreme performance. If only they weren't so arrogant... Well, I guess they're hoping that they'll sell anyway, and I don't know the numbers there. But I still feel that, longer term, it would have been the better decision to be more honest.
Guru3d did some benchmarks with the previous generation Gen4 Corsair, they are in the same range as my previous generation Seagate Gen4 on my x570. Didn't see tests with new Gen4 SSDs which can hit 7100Mb on my computer, but I doubt they are much faster. www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i9_11900k_processor_review,30.html
Intel: "we can't beat AMD in multicore, but i have an idea" Intel: drop the i9 core count to equal cheaper models, so we can increase core clock. Intel: we still have higher clock speeds than AMD!
Love the thumbnail...nice to see you don't beat about the (Australian) bush :) Still happy with my Ryzen 9 3900XT I got end last year for £390 ...think it will do me for a while yet.
Over $600 for an 8c/16t chip which realistically shouldn't be more than $380 at most and the only thing that saves it is productivity while in games there are no gains. 5900X and 10900K seem like the best chips to buy in that tier. Good luck Intel selling those pathetic chips at that ridiculous price. If 11700K is currently $300 then it's definitely the chip to buy RIGHT NOW before the price goes up. Thanks for another honest review Steve. You could tell Steve made this one short, he didn't even want to waste his time reviewing this pointless chip which has out of this planet price. It's funny how things turned around and now AMD is giving Intel their own treatment.. we received from Intel for 7 gens in a row of nothing but quad cores (2600K - 7700K & 2500K - 7600K). Intel certainly deserves it.
@@infiltr80r I know about AVX 512 but wow a real selling point.. whole 2% who will use it and Intel still fucks over that 2% with the price. Intel will never change. All they give a shit is about $$$. They could care less about their customers as long as they keep buying their garbage... Intel will be happy. AMD has been dominating ever since Zen3 came out. Too bad they can't keep most chips in stock. Here and there they have a batch of 5600X to sell and 5800X is always on sale on their AMD's website. Since I can't get a GPU upgrade for so long... I considering getting a 5800X and selling my 3700X. It's funny that "Ryzen 7" 5800X battles out with Intel's 11900K. Poor Intel although I don't feel bad for them. I bought so many chips from them when AMD had nothing but Bulldozer and Piledriver for like 7 years. But as soon as first Zen came out.. I jumped the ship to AMD even though it lacked single core perfomance. The PC community really helped AMD get on top and I am happy to see that. I am happy to see Intel struggling so bad even though we need competition but it's their own fault for milking us for nearly a decade. Intel lost their shit when they saw Ryzen slowly starting to gain on them and they got lost.. not knowing what to do. How many CEOs have they just had recently. They laughed at AMD so calling "gluing" yet they're about to do the same with their next architecture release. Oh they will get so much shit for even starting that whole "gluing" thing once the 12th gen comes out. Again their own fault for calling others names and they will get what they deserve for being so cocky.
@@weecious I dislike Intel too but the last gen didn't have AVX512, and if your performance is over 2x of that of AMD 5950x in your application, it might just be worth it. Personally I'll wait.
@@infiltr80r Intel is suppose to release their 7nm chips by the end of this. We'll see how that goes. Don't buy 11th gen.. it's a joke. OR wait on Ryzen 5nm chips. If Ryzen 3 is still beating Intel in most cases on still 7nm then imagine what they will be able to pull off on a 5nm node. If you got a good enough CPU for now then just sit on it for now. The real battle between AMD and Intel will begin shortly and it will be more like a war once both AMD and Intel roll out their new chips. The reason AMD is having hard time supplying CPUs right now is because of consoles release which all run on Zen and RDNA architecture and this COVID shit is only making things worse. Once everything gets stabilized it will be a hard pick between AMD and Intel is my guess. I mean even now Intel's brand new i9-11900K is battling out Ryzen 7 5800X.. while 5900X just chills and had no competition at all... if anything the last best chip that came from AMD that can somewhat battle 5900X is 10900K which is funny enough since it's last gen. Intel made a big mistake by making architecture for 10nm and then going back to and work on it even more just so it can come out on 14nm++++++++++++ just so they have something to offer against AMD's Zen3 chips. Plus next chips will be more than likely on DDR5 which prices will be high for... at least for a year - to 2 years just like how DDR4 was. If you are happy with your current chip then sit back and watch the show and once you see something that can benefit you a lot then get it... but I wouldn't recommend these chips since both AMD's and Intel's new chips will be on new sockets. Does that AVX 512 matter that much to you... I mean look at the reviewers, they're disappointed and even Steve from Hardware Unboxed made a really short review of 11900K. You could clearly tell he was very disappointed and not interested. That tells you something since he's once of the few very honest reviewers out there. But it's up to you.. specially since Intel will release their 12th gen on 7nm by the end of this year... you would be regretting your purchase if you bought an 1th gen chip. I don't think the performance will be even close to 5950X but it's definitely gonna be MUCH better than what we got from Intel right now. What makes me curious is if AMD could do such wonders at 7nm with Zen3 which is their second release on 7nm node then can you imagine what kind of beast chips we will get on 5nm. Don't rush to waste your money. There's a new release of CPUs each year now with around 20% IPS gains and it seems Intel will do a second release, a proper release by the end of the year. Just sit back and enjoy the battling out show between Intel and AMD then make your decision on what you want/need. I am assuming you have a somewhat modern chip right now?
@@weecious I have a Pentium G3258, dual core baby! None of the review tests here actually do AVX-512 activated vectorized computing. For everything else this CPU definitely sucks, I hate hot power hungry trash. But for vectorized computing, which will be primary use for me, if I can get significant advantages (30-40%+ AMD equivalent), Intel still gets my money. I do not care if in games I'm 10-15 frames ahead or behind and the games I play are not very demanding on the HW anyway. But if I deal with 80 gigs of data for arithmetic, the differences in time can be substantial, spending 2 minutes on something critical vs 7 minutes makes a big difference. Now if 5900x had AVX512, I'd probably be sold.
Idk man, 10600K for $190 seems like a much better deal to me. Or get the 10850K for $320. Just 20 bucks extra and you get a 10 core instead. 5600X should rot on shelves for $300 imo.
@@isakh8565 I’d say the 3600 is the better deal, pair with a X570 and then in a year or two, upgrade to a 5900X. With the Intel parts, you’re stuck with what you have in that generation. The 10850k isn’t too bad beyond a much higher power consumption vs AMD parts, but if you build with that in mind, it’s not insurmountable.
AMD still manage to have a double lead on Intel as they are offering 7nm processing technologies while Intel is still struggling with 14 nm. Next year expected that AMD will come with 5nm while Intel fighting hard to manufacture 10nm processors. A huge leap by AMD in energy efficiency and multitasking.
*OTHER HARDWARE CHANNELS:* _"So let's try word this thumbnail in a way that expresses our disappointment in this CPU but not step on too many toes"._ *HARDWARE UNBOXED:* _"So where's a good place to get a big poop emoji jpeg again?" .."You think RUclips will be mad if we just say this thing is _*_Shit_*_ on the thumbnail?"_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that what happened to intel with Rocket-lake isn't bulldozer, but more like Zen+ but done wrong. Zen+ was a mild upgrade from Zen for AMD, though it was welcomed. Because of that, AMD decided not to release an R7 2800X but rather just the 2700X, since the flagship of Zen+ won't be that better than the flagship of Zen, so calling it 2700X and ditching for that generation the 2800X was a great idea, it's the successor of the 1700X, costs about the same, and made them even closer to intel! The same here. They should have made their 11900K as the 11700K and it would have been much better, with adjusted prices of course.
Please review the 11700 / 11700F (Non - K) this can be a very interesting test to see how bigh is the difference from the 11900k when both cpus are 8716 and have 16 mb cache, and the 11700 is $330 msrp
A two word review. Forking awesome! I love this new plan. Review the item, tell everyone "It's Sh!t!" as the review, the prices drop. What's not to like?
Intel feels like the Call of Duty of the hardware world: release something every year, even if nobody wants it, nobody asked for it, and there's no reason to stop playing the old one.
Im interested as to why they're using the 3090 rather than the 6900XT for CPU testing, since the 6900XT is faster on average in both 1080p and 1440p ultra testing in thier own benchmarks
I was very interested to see this review after watching GamersNexus' coverage, since this cpu seems quite power hungry yet they test with the TDP limits in place. However as your results show, even when allowed to consume as much power as it can fit in its gob it still underperforms against just about every possible competitor.
i saw you on a recent moore's law is dead video and you mentioned victoria's flooding being "above" you, and earlier there was a joke about everything in australia being upside down, but it got me wondering since it looks like on my map victoria is a state on the bottom of the continent...do you guys print your maps with S on top and N at the bottom (or for that matter do all/any countries south of the equator do that?). there doesn't seem like any reason people couldn't do that since the n.s.e.w. directions would all me the same, just not oriented the same way and the shapes of countries would be imagined flipped..
@@John69420 I had a 2080 Super and felt extremely stupid panic selling it at the worst time possible. But at this point try finding a 1080ti for a good deal and you'll be alright for awhile.
Good to hear about the 10400f with b560 mb. I am currently looking for most performance for the least buck, need to upgrade from my 2500k but I dont need a powerhouse; as long as I can play games decently (currently salvage my 570 gpu for the new system) I am happy. Since the launch of 10400f all suggestions were negative and preferred the 3300x. But that one is nowhere to be found and ryzen 2000's are not cheap either. 3600 is now +70 euro, depending on whether a wraith is added. Then there are the differences in prices for the mb's, can be 40-120euro differences. Some combo's with 10400f are as expensive as a 3600 system, which I wonder if its worth it. Hope your review is going to give my answer.
I currently have a Z490 board with a 10900k and a GTX 3090, and a samsung 980 pro (which is locked to PCIe 3.0 on the Comet Lake architecture) with Rocket Lake being able to unlock PCIe 4.0 on my MSI Godlike, do you think the 11900K would be worth the overall performance increase?
11600k is the only thing worth it if you have a z490 motherboard already. 11400 might be interesting. All else: skip and wait for ddr 5 platforms. sad :(
I think they must have been far along in development with this before they had a breakthrough with Superfin. This was a lot of work to make, I'm sure this didn't meet original performance expectations. I don't think we will see anyone back-port architectures for a while, after this.
dumb question but i have to ask, why run the cpu benchmarks on 1080p ultra? sure some of the ultra effects might use cpu but I still would have thought letting the cpu punch through as many basic frames as possible would make a for a better test of a cpu? ie why not 1080p low? if the textures are high enough resolution they could still cause some level of performance decline. and every screenbased effect like ssao will be drawing nearly 2 million pixels of image per frame so that will require some effort from the gpu which would manifest in the frametime. for example in borderlands 3 the built in benchmark shows both cpu and gpu frametimes. maybe the sheer power of the GPU in this case gives it ample time to post process a frame before the cpu sends the next but the fact that is called "POST" processing has to be relevant surely?
@@internetw4nk3r74 Really? What do your temps look like? I have mine clocked at 5 GHz all-core @ 1.32 V with a 280mm AIO. This is without an undervolt. It usually stays around 57c to 68c during load, depending on the game. I might've gotten a somewhat cherry one.
@@internetw4nk3r74 I have the 360mm capelix AIO from Corsair keeps cool just fine with a 4.8gh all core boost. I can push it to 5.1 while the AIO can handle it just fine that’s a lot of extra heat to toss into my case. That AIO is an intake on my O11dXL case and my 3090AIO is an exhaust so I’m trying to keep mY GPU temps lower. Probably just need to make that GPU radiator PUSH/PULL
I am uaing matx mobo with matx case (coolermaster q200p) and 120 aio coolermaster v2r (dual push pull fans). I thought it could be sufficient but it's not, it reached 98 deg c. LoL Just to add, i have 2 front intake fans plus 1 from bottom already. The gpu is fine though, max 70 (an rtx 3070)
Hi I Like your reviews but not including things like Adaptive Boost Technology in your review isn't a fair review I do have a question could you do a video talking about using AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-core, 32-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor, and Thread ripper using RTX 3090. As I am not sure if they would work well together. I heard there are performance issues with adobe software and blender. I really don't want to get an Intel 11th Gen as they are not worth it. Please advise many thanks.
Everyone is roasting this CPU, but no one thought of roasting on this CPU.
I c wot u did there... 😃
The CPU is roasted... figuratively and literally.
Kfc wanted to roast chicken with an intel based pc/oven.
11900 Kebab
Pun intended 😂😂😂😂
If you ever feel useless, remember 11900k exists..
😂👍
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
That made me feel much better about myself today :D
I'm dead😂😂 but it totally worked haha my day is a little better now
This makes everything even worse 3 seconds later because then you'll remember that this thing is still better known then u and will generate more money than you will in your whole life......
Intel really took the whole "the roles are reversed" thing at heart, releasing a new generation worse than the previous one is straight from the AMD bulldozer book
It's event worse than buldozer times. The FX8350 could beat the competition at least in multicore tasks /games. Especially in newer games which could use more than only 4 threads
The 11900k has no place in any pc, but the lower end parts are pretty good actually. The 11600k is keeping up with the 5600x in productivity at a lower price. Intel should have skipped the i9 in this line up, now it will be a shit ton of negative publicity and money spend on a stupid product.
Not really, the whole line up of bulldozer was dogshit. At least the 11600k seems like good value. The 11900k is worse than a dogturd though.
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS It's not worse, other that the wasteful single generation motherboard you need to buy to run it, the cost, the large heatsink requirement (not included) and the absolutely ridiculous power draw under full load. Oh wait, it's worse
bUt iT's FasTeR iN tHeSe tOtAllY nOt chERrY pIckEd nIcHE BeNChMArKs vS pReVIoUS gEn!
Also the horror of Intel marketing showing 11900K being faster than 10900K in games... while later disclosing 10900K was power locked at PL1 125W and 11900K was almost power unocked at PL2 250W... Freaking disgusting.
Everyone: "the 5800x is bad value for price" The 11900k: "hold my msrp"
100-150 euro cheaper ... oh or this logic dont count to other way ?
@@Taurus_Play ??????
@@Taurus_Play I think you misunderstood the joke.. He was saying that the 5800x is bad value compared to 5600 and 5900. But compard to the 11900K it seems reasonable again!
@@Speedey64 Not long ago the 5800x was the same price as the 5600x here.....
@@neiliewheeliebin You can easily get a 5800X for MSRP prices in Europe now.
Wait, guys, April Fools is tomorrow. We can't be discussing this joke of a processor a day early.
Intel can't even complain at these reviews, they know perfectly well what they have done, and there's no way they didn't see the shitstorm coming...
They’ve had this coming for years, this is what resting on your laurels gets you.
@@EvilTurkeySlices Good thing AMD has been working with YANNI and not resting on the laurels xD
@@earthbound8809 i both love and hate this comment.
They did see this coming. It's why they've been telling us to stop looking at benchmarks.
@@Bitshift1125 Yeah, right 😁 "Stop looking at benchmarks, just trust us: higher number = better"
So i9 11900K is Intel‘s "Flagshit" in 2021...And I9 10900K is the true flagship from Intel..
I have my criticism of 10900K (or "10th gen" in general)... but at least it arguably actually deserved the title of Intel flagship.
Now this 11th thingy... this is just shit. Flagshit is spot on.
Got a 10700k for $269
Man 10th gen was way better than whatever this is. There were some actually good processors which were decent value albeit running hot.
i got a i9 10900k last month to replace my 12 year old i7 2600 :) only thing i seen that beats a i9 10900k in gaming is the new amd 9 and were talking about only a few fps in SOME games not all!
@@mmeatheaddd 10700k is enough for all gaming for sure, Ryzen 9 is a much much better CPU for workloads than i9.
Oh god, both Steve(s) are roasting this cpu.😅
I want it well done.
Put an Intel box cooler on it and you'll get boot leather.
Hardware Shillucks are almost certainly singing praises if your more interested in a positive look at this turd sandwich.
@@uglyduckling81 Hardware Canucks are just photography enthusiasts that happen to shoot videos about PC hardware now and then. They know way more about how to set their cameras to the best settings than PC hardware.
@@uglyduckling81 Yah, PCGH reviewed them as positive and even faster then any Ryzen. Lol
It's a bit doubtful if these are even honest reviews.
Wouldn’t “blue” be more appropriate? Seeing as this chip is so woefully underdone?
Oh boy. That guy from twitter who got mad at GN for the "Waste of Sand" title must be losing his mind 🤣
Wak3UpAm3r1ca That's OK GN is being boycotted as well.
@@wysetech2000for what?
Intel fanboys: he didn’t even talk about the new integrated graphics ..... 😔
@I killed that beard guy No.
if the 11100f had Iris XE igpu graphics it would have probably been godlike plus the b560 ram oc thing then it would beat AMD's carelessness to the Consumer APU Market
When they talk about the new graphics but do so only to roast intel for not providing drivers to consumers at release lmao
@@QuixoticPenguin but they got 5K 60Hz support
12 gen 16c/24T. Yeah Z690 motherboard coming. Time to throw away lousy 11Gen 8c/16t disaster waste of sand CPU into dustbin quicker......,
"It's better than going backwards" We lived to see Intel's Bulldozer 🤣
Well, 10th gen Core was like !!!mORe CoREs!!!. And still it's not work. Buldozer has problems because of shit cashe and shity north brige.
@@arned432 Your English it's not work.
@@XD-cr3du it’s fine, jog on
We really have, it even has the qualifications of being worse than the previous generation at certain tasks. It’s also somewhat of a repeat of the Pentium 4.
Such a shame tbh
It's not even DOA, it's dead on the drawing board but somehow went through with it anyway.
It's like Tejas back in the day but they didn't cancel it this time.
It's only dead because of it's price. It's performance is fine. It chews power like an Nvidia GPU. It just needs to be half it's current price to make sense.
@@uglyduckling81 that would put it below the 11700K no way Intel would do that
Is that plane done yet?
@@azurai3934 it should be the 11700k and they shouldnt have offered an i9
@@jatxemo6156 Tejas? First combat iteration is done. It's not a great plane yet, but that isn't the point. Tejas is preparing India's industry to be able to make current and maybe next generations planes on their own - they succeeded more than they failed in this. But Intel is basically like saying Tejas is equal, no - better than newest F-16. No. If this was engineering sample to test something - then it would be a viable comparison.
Here again, the new Bulldozer Lake Architecture 😂
How the turntables
Except bulldozer is still relevant 8-9 years later. Somehow taking less energy than this new Intel lol.
@@MrBearyMcBearface actually no bcs bulldozer is 32nm
@@MrBearyMcBearface and the single core is far more worse
@@monkeslayer-km5ho you can still play games with it that were released last year. That makes it relevant. Nm means nothing (for relevancy) . Popular xeons have high nm too and look at the performance you can get with those old bastards. Multithread > single thread. Clock speed OC records are still held by fx chips so even on the enthusiast level they're still relevant. Now I just wish I could convince everyone they're super awful so I can buy them cheaper.
It's not ever "AMD murdered Intel" anymore. It's like Intel engineers were pressured so much they decided to play an internal joke on the company before handing in their resignations and joining AMD. The only hope this "radiator compatible" cpu will sell is if it's priced less than $300 or maybe offered at i5 prices.
Haha that would make sense now!
Sorry to inform you that it sold, and indeed sold well enough that on Amazon it's currently only available from third-party listings starting at $838. Welcome to the bold new market, where the rules are made up and the value doesn't matter... sigh.
“THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.”
“Why would a Wookie... An eight foot tall Wookie, live on a planet with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks?”
They are good backscratchers!
Bc alpha
*Wookiee :P There, fixed it for ya. Just messin with ya. Even among Star Wars enthusiasts it is misspelled.
@@alphadragongamingFTW yeah sorry I’m actually more of a Star Trek fan. Star Wars is cool too though.
@@averagerobert8211 Burning Crusade Alpha? Bruh it's in Beta already!
lmao@thumbnail
Hey at least I didn't use Tim's first version :D
@@gamingunboxed5130 I dread to think xD
💩💩💩💩 11900K
🤡🤡🤡🤡💩💩💩💩 Intel
Yeah that thumbnail is EPIC.
Hello Jarred, just watched a video of yours.
This is hilarious. I don't know if I've ever seen such a clear cut turning of the tables. It's insane how Intel have taken EXACTLY the position AMD held with the FX series.
The higher end FX series had more cores (yes it had poor single thread performance) but here and now its actually doing better than similar aged Intel parts in newer benchmarks, they were a little ahead of their time if anything, at least it has that going for it.
They sort of didn't.
Intel released a newer gen with:
Less cores
A one gen old uArch (11th gen desktop is Ice Lake, not Tiger Lake)
Backported a 10nm uArch to a 14nm bigger node.
AMD never did this.
While most people make a meme out of AMD's Bulldozer uArch, quite a lot of people liked Piledriver (lower prices, higher IPC, higher clocks, lower observed power usage, higher OC potential, higher ram support, better northbridge OC, lower temps)
It's just sad in retrospective AMD never refreshed their desktop parts for Steamroller, Excavator and Excavator v2.
Excavator v2 on DDR4 would've had tremendously more IPC if it would've kept L3 cache as well vs Piledriver cores. Somewhere close to the 35-40% mark.
FX was shit but at least it was cheap.
Not quite. FX was hamstrung due to how Windows managed the cores. Intel has no excuse. Also AMD added cores while Intel removed 2. So its kinda the opposite problem. Not exact sorry.
Nothing wrong in that. Everytime there is one company who has better products. But the price is not good. At $350 this would be quite nice!
The retail price of this i9 11900k CPU may as well be scalper pricing considering what you get for the money. Sad but true.
🤔 isn't that how Intel pricing has always been???
@@shaneeslick no.
@@errorcode503 so they didn't discount 10th gen by up to 50% (=$1000) from the same spec 9th, 8th, 7th Gen CPUs, 🤔 might wanna go for an Early Onset Alzheimer's test
@@shaneeslick They have made more than just 10th gen CPUs and the i5 10th gen CPUs were actually a good option for the price.
@@errorcode503 really they didn't start at 10th Gen 🙄,
If you read my comment I didn't say 10th Gen were over priced, I said 7th, 8th & 9th Gens were overpriced, which was shown when they dropped prices for 10th Gen up to 50% which for some CPUs equaled $1000USD
Here comes the “performance doesn’t matter” slides and claiming that they have the better “platform”.
At this point it's not even a better platform. Even apple dropped them after like 20 years of partnership
@@QuixoticPenguin 15 to be more accurate
have fun with your 400W power consumption
@@airshaped My Opteron 6276 uses less power.
I really love how the mellow intro music is a stark contrast to the brutal murder that followed.
Are we not gonna talk about how the 5800x beats it at almost everything at almost 200 dollars less?!
So glad I have one though I recommend everyone to spend the extra $ to get the 5900x
The fact that this makes a 5800X look like a good deal is hilarious
@@Amusia727 and it outperforms it in many ways while being cheaper
Why??? There is not stock.
The are in stock at Newegg right now.
You know the saying "dress for the job you want, not the job you have", well Intel has done the same thing with pricing, "price it for the CPU you want, not the CPU you have"
You should have done the tests with AMD radeon as the nvidia drivers don't do so well with slow CPUs. 😉
😂😂😂😂 got 'eeem.
Harsh. Harsh but fair :D
Destroyed
rekt
OOOOF man! Don't portray us Scandinavians as savages who don't even flinch at splattering someones brain up on the back wall like that! :P
I've almost mistaken this video for review of 5900x by just looking at the charts
Steve burned the 11900k so hard that Australian news just reported an unexpected heat wave.
BOOOMM!! (Slow clapping)
Pentium 4 1500: FINALLY! A WORTHY OPPONENT!
I don't know, I think the Pentium still has the advantage 😂
This made me laugh for 5 mins straight 😂😂
I dont know... Pentium D would like to have a word with that P4...
@@ave6358 that one was so bad I forgot it even existed :D
But to give Intel credit, they actually tried there. Pentium D wasn’t a step back, it was a weird step sideways intended to keep up with AMD Athlon 64 X2 which turned out to be the main trend in the future, but was badly implemented and not supported by contemporary software and motherboards very well. It derives from Pentium 4 and merely inherits its main flaws. The engineer who came up with an idea of adding more cores was right, but the problem was Prescott cores were only able to scale heat output :D When Intel did the same thing with Core Duo architecture, which essentially was a modernized mobile Pentium III, they got much better result. Not the best processors, sure, but they were good enough and actually had performance gains.
Pentium 4 itself, on the other hand... Oof! Whoever thought that NetBurst was a good idea for an ordinary desktop PC had to be kidding. Maaaaybe it was useful in some predictable server applications and data transfer oriented tasks, but that’s pretty much it, and the power requirements along with IPC losses made this series completely irrelevant. You were not going to sport so much data at the time for it’s advantage to matter, but you always have a perform and hit necessary for that. As the result, from an end-user perspective it was a processor with less IPC and bloated frequency, almost as if gigahertz were the only selling point. Almost as if they were designing a CPU to perform on paper. More jigahertz, less performance. Anything based on Pentium 4 architecture was doomed to turn out as a failure. Also Rambus. Same strory. More bandwidth for huge theoretical data transfers, but dogshit latency in the real world scenarios. Apparently they kept it for communication with GPUs, but I refuse to believe they did not see GDDR coming. All of that was advertised at nearly 900 USD for the top notch model on Pentium 4 release. At 1500MHz. That’s with Pentium III still existing and outperforming it without sweating. It was so bad Intel had to come up with a refresh couple of months later and cut the price for 1600MHz version by 2,5 times, and even that did not help sales. Then they doubled the frequency with Prescott, but got little to no performance improvement. Pentium 4 was the reason of all major Intel failures for several years to come. Of corse I think Intel realized the mistake, but it took a lot of time to roll back to P6 architecture and sufficiently modernize it.
And I think AVX512 is the new NetBurst gimmick all over again. More energy consumption again. Huge-ass bloated cores again. It may be useful in some server applications again, but it has marginal real world improvement because tasks which benefit from AVX512 do benefit from GPU computation even more, so suitable only to report “20% gen-over-gen advantage”. Sure it’s an IPC gain, in AVX512 optimized tasks, but it’s an IPC loss if anything without it due to AVX offsets. KEKW!
I'm gonna predict the stock for this CPU will be abundant.
Due to low demand.
there are shintel fangirls scattered around this world more than you can imagine.
Intel must be banking on desperate customers buying anything that is in stock.
Some people creates a rock solid thought like 'Intel always worked for me'' then they procced to only buy intel and not looking into reviews and opinions on the competitors product.
@aquapendulum "I'm gonna predict the stock for this CPU will be abundant.
Due to low demand."
You severely underestimate the stupidity of corporate fanboys. I literally had a conversation with a real life friend of mine who said he's gonna buy the 11900k anyway cuz he needs to upgrade his 6700k. I told him to go for a 5900x instead, his reply was "nah I'll just go intel".
if the AMD 5000 is next to impossible to find, this will be a clear win for Intel
Intel i9 11900k users:
"The processor feels good, much slower than before. Amazing"
GP2 processor gp2
You win the internet haha! Love the reference
Still loving seeing Teddy just chillin in the background. We still miss you TechShowdown
Seeing the Mr. Bean teddy always made me smile, but it sounds like there is a history to it? Care to share?
@@nathanallen7596 there was a tech youtuber named Kevin. He ran a channel called Tech Showdown. He unfortunately passed away due to medical complications. Teddy was his co host on his channel. After he passed, Steve brought teddy to the hardware unboxed studio and he has been there ever since as a way to remember Kevin.
would love to start seeing audio software in the benchmark line up, studio one, cubase, ableton live any of those would be great
I love you guys, keeping it 110% real with us even if it angry big companies
This channel is better than that long-hair guy or linus.
could you also color the previous gen part next time? That makes it just that little bit easier to compare the generational improvement (or in this case, decrease)
Do you have eyes???????👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
+1
Just pause it brother!!
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis That is very inconvenient.
Given that 10th gen is a major comparison to this new release, I agree that they should have highlighted it too. Good suggestion.
The only upsides of 11th gen release are... sales of 10th gen.
@John Jenkins Just buy AMD.
@@dudebroguymate No there are really good deals for Intel 10th gen, especially the 10700K.
@@whitehavencpu6813 Yes but right now you should buy AMD.
@@dudebroguymate yeah but AMD is not always in stock and sometimes the prices are high. Buy whatever you can find that gives you best price-to-performance.
@@whitehavencpu6813 A M D
Nice thumb!
Yo, nice reviews!
Thats the weirdest comment ive ever seen........... Though if youre the sort bloke who likes in thumbs in bums, i can see why you'd say that. But either way its still pretty farkin weird XD XD XD
@@thebranch4756 I think you misunderstood what he said. He meant "thumbnail" and used a shorthand
@@anmolagrawal5358 OH sorry thankyou.
12 gen 16c/24T. Yeah Z690 motherboard coming. Time to throw away lousy 11Gen 8c/16t disaster waste of sand CPU into dustbin quicker.........
The problem is: here in Europe AMD 5900X and 5950X simple don't exist. There are no such processors. So comparing something that doesn't exist to something that does or might, doesn't make much sense. Unless intel availability will also be so horrible than the whole conversation is just pointless.
Since Core i9 isn't a mandatory part of their lineup historically, you'd think they'd have just branded it i7 this gen and avoided most of the flak from reviewers. I'd personally be fine if they had said, 'hey, 8 cores is the best we can do this go around, so i7 is flagship for this gen".
I posted a similar comment on another review. If they would have just been honest and said, hey, we will only have i7's for 11th gen and priced them all at 11700k prices, Intel would have looked pretty good. But because they had to be greedy, they decided to make this god-awful CPU and price it way too high.
This seems like the fault of a shitty marketing team again. It's a no brainer for a lot of the engineers to probably just forgo the i9 this time
AmD: Lets proceed with smaller nodes
Intel: F that. Lets get bigger. Bigger nodes, bigger price, bigger heat. Bigger price. Biggest Powaaaahhhhhhh...... Consumption
Nice one at the end. :))
This is not a lake, it’s a canal. “Far-canal”.
With a cargo ship stuck in it
It’s a gate; intel’s Rocket Gate.
Compating your review and the GN review to LTT I'm shocked how little they mentioned the fact that the 11900k literally can't even beat its previous model most of the time.
Yeah, so:
- The 3900X is better for $410
- The 10850K is better for $400
- The 5800X is better for $449
- The 11700K is almost the same chip for $400
- The 5900X curbstomps it for $549
- The 10700KF gives you 85% of the performance for $265
This thing is garbage in comparison to every high-end CPU within a country mile of it, and there isn’t even a single use case where you aren’t better off with something else.
I sincerely hope Intel can finally flush out the bean-counters now that they’re over this hump.
Reviewers and gamers: Roasts the cpu
Rocket lake: Hold my beer... [roasts itself]
Or rather "hold my charcoal" :P
I mean, I'd at least give the Rocket Lake i5s a shot.
It's a real shame that my takeaway from the various Rocket Lake reviews is that only the lower-end SKUs can be considered at least passable...
Hello Steve! Really enjoyed the Moore’s Law is Dead episode!
Hey mate, glad you enjoyed it. Good stuff!
@@gamingunboxed5130 is this really Steve XD
@@gamingunboxed5130 no way your a legend bro 👍 💪 keep doing these amazing benchmarks i trust no other tech channel except yours and Jarrod's tech
@@lighttechzeon7026 Well his profile pic isn't upside down but he did say mate so it must be
Moore didn't account for crony capitalism
I’m so happy I purchased the 5900X. A perfect sweet spot for my needs.
"sweet spot"
I can't find it anywhere...
What Motherboard and RAM exactly did you pair with it?
And SSD?
"Sweet spot"
Same I got one too
@@SlayerSeraph I got my 5900x from Micro Center. Had to drive two and a half hours but I walked in around noon and got one no problem. Paired it with an Asus x570-i Strix mini itx board and RTX 3090 FE. Everything watercooled in the Lian Li 011 mini case with 3 radiators (2- 360mm and 1-240mm). Oh and 32gb of Flare X 3200 C14 ram. I have my old 9900k system for sale now lol.
You can sum up most of the "real" 11900K reviews in one word. SAVAGE! I love it!
The vulnerabilities might have been fixed , that would explain the drop in performance , does anyone know if they are fixed ?
I wonder if they also took a performance hit because they finally incorporated some security this time?
it has AVX-512, the killer feature 👍
Exactly what I thought, took them some years tho..
Still needs a complete architecture overhaul to address these issues.
Probably yes.
Alder lake is going to havw a tough time too, leaks of early engineering samples have show Zen4 has a 29% core for core performance improvement. It's also said that the 5nm process it's on will reach 5Ghz, so it's looking like Zen4 will have 30%+ core for core performance improvements, so Intel doesn't have an easy road ahead
I believe AMD isn't scared to fight back again
i think that when zen 4 is out, amd will rise to the top once and for all
Don't worry Intel will have the 14nm +++++++++++-&&$##_&+(-$#-(+-***+++ process ready by 2023
I'm from the future,this comment will age like a hardened sour cheese milk
Thankfully I bought the 5900X :P
Me too... Wasn't easy to connect with, but its a true beast.
Mine comes in a few hours
Cheers 🍻
@@incrediLance well good thing is that you have option on the cpu side right now
Huge thumbs up for 11400F on B560 - that will be interesting!
There was never any guarantee of forward 11th gen CPU compatibility for all Socket1200 chipsets. B460 was garbage anyway due to the lack of memory overclocking, hence why B560 is so interesting, especially in concert with a 10400F or 11400F. Will be interested to see how these two CPUs compare.
We appreciate the honesty
I love my 10700K... and I'm certainly glad I didn't wait
At this point I'm guessing Intel will bring a GT1030 class GPU for $999 to the market and act all proud. 😂
Intel, if they weren't so hopelessly arrogant, should've just released this as the i7 11700K and have no i9 parts. Because this is a pretty good 8-core CPU, and it really trade blows with R7 5800X. Which is quite a feat, given it's 14nm vs 7nm. Yeah, on power usage there's no competition, but that's the manufacturing process forcing the laws of physics. The chip design is genuinely impressive. They only needed to release this part as $400-450 and there would have been less "why is this even released ?" "waste of sand" etc conclusions about this CPU and lineup in general. Also, truly, there no 11th gen CPU that should have the i9 branding. Nothing about it is extreme performance.
If only they weren't so arrogant... Well, I guess they're hoping that they'll sell anyway, and I don't know the numbers there. But I still feel that, longer term, it would have been the better decision to be more honest.
Mr. Steve, can you test the PCIe 4.0 storage speeds of AMD vs Intel platform, to see if Intel claims of faster speeds are true?
more or less its the same speed/ time
Guru3d did some benchmarks with the previous generation Gen4 Corsair, they are in the same range as my previous generation Seagate Gen4 on my x570. Didn't see tests with new Gen4 SSDs which can hit 7100Mb on my computer, but I doubt they are much faster.
www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i9_11900k_processor_review,30.html
Payback time for Intel, for milking its users with their "4 cores is enough" line for the better part of the decade.
Intel: "we can't beat AMD in multicore, but i have an idea"
Intel: drop the i9 core count to equal cheaper models, so we can increase core clock.
Intel: we still have higher clock speeds than AMD!
Amd can overclock above intel bruh
@@kemas9604 source?
@@ProphetKrix gamer nexus, supertune 5600x and many review from jarrod linus etc
Intel wants you to change your editorial direction with that thumbnail.
"Intel's New Flagshit CPU."
This ship is going to sink.
3:38 "That being the case"
Most overused pun that I rarely get tired of 🤣
Love the thumbnail...nice to see you don't beat about the (Australian) bush :) Still happy with my Ryzen 9 3900XT I got end last year for £390 ...think it will do me for a while yet.
"It's sh*t". Love that you guys don't bury the lead. 😂
Over $600 for an 8c/16t chip which realistically shouldn't be more than $380 at most and the only thing that saves it is productivity while in games there are no gains. 5900X and 10900K seem like the best chips to buy in that tier. Good luck Intel selling those pathetic chips at that ridiculous price. If 11700K is currently $300 then it's definitely the chip to buy RIGHT NOW before the price goes up. Thanks for another honest review Steve. You could tell Steve made this one short, he didn't even want to waste his time reviewing this pointless chip which has out of this planet price. It's funny how things turned around and now AMD is giving Intel their own treatment.. we received from Intel for 7 gens in a row of nothing but quad cores (2600K - 7700K & 2500K - 7600K). Intel certainly deserves it.
There's AVX512, which is the only true update for this CPU. 98% of users won't have any use for it but the 2% that do, it's a major selling point.
@@infiltr80r I know about AVX 512 but wow a real selling point.. whole 2% who will use it and Intel still fucks over that 2% with the price. Intel will never change. All they give a shit is about $$$. They could care less about their customers as long as they keep buying their garbage... Intel will be happy. AMD has been dominating ever since Zen3 came out. Too bad they can't keep most chips in stock. Here and there they have a batch of 5600X to sell and 5800X is always on sale on their AMD's website. Since I can't get a GPU upgrade for so long... I considering getting a 5800X and selling my 3700X. It's funny that "Ryzen 7" 5800X battles out with Intel's 11900K. Poor Intel although I don't feel bad for them. I bought so many chips from them when AMD had nothing but Bulldozer and Piledriver for like 7 years. But as soon as first Zen came out.. I jumped the ship to AMD even though it lacked single core perfomance. The PC community really helped AMD get on top and I am happy to see that. I am happy to see Intel struggling so bad even though we need competition but it's their own fault for milking us for nearly a decade. Intel lost their shit when they saw Ryzen slowly starting to gain on them and they got lost.. not knowing what to do. How many CEOs have they just had recently. They laughed at AMD so calling "gluing" yet they're about to do the same with their next architecture release. Oh they will get so much shit for even starting that whole "gluing" thing once the 12th gen comes out. Again their own fault for calling others names and they will get what they deserve for being so cocky.
@@weecious I dislike Intel too but the last gen didn't have AVX512, and if your performance is over 2x of that of AMD 5950x in your application, it might just be worth it. Personally I'll wait.
@@infiltr80r Intel is suppose to release their 7nm chips by the end of this. We'll see how that goes. Don't buy 11th gen.. it's a joke. OR wait on Ryzen 5nm chips. If Ryzen 3 is still beating Intel in most cases on still 7nm then imagine what they will be able to pull off on a 5nm node. If you got a good enough CPU for now then just sit on it for now. The real battle between AMD and Intel will begin shortly and it will be more like a war once both AMD and Intel roll out their new chips. The reason AMD is having hard time supplying CPUs right now is because of consoles release which all run on Zen and RDNA architecture and this COVID shit is only making things worse. Once everything gets stabilized it will be a hard pick between AMD and Intel is my guess. I mean even now Intel's brand new i9-11900K is battling out Ryzen 7 5800X.. while 5900X just chills and had no competition at all... if anything the last best chip that came from AMD that can somewhat battle 5900X is 10900K which is funny enough since it's last gen. Intel made a big mistake by making architecture for 10nm and then going back to and work on it even more just so it can come out on 14nm++++++++++++ just so they have something to offer against AMD's Zen3 chips. Plus next chips will be more than likely on DDR5 which prices will be high for... at least for a year - to 2 years just like how DDR4 was. If you are happy with your current chip then sit back and watch the show and once you see something that can benefit you a lot then get it... but I wouldn't recommend these chips since both AMD's and Intel's new chips will be on new sockets. Does that AVX 512 matter that much to you... I mean look at the reviewers, they're disappointed and even Steve from Hardware Unboxed made a really short review of 11900K. You could clearly tell he was very disappointed and not interested. That tells you something since he's once of the few very honest reviewers out there. But it's up to you.. specially since Intel will release their 12th gen on 7nm by the end of this year... you would be regretting your purchase if you bought an 1th gen chip. I don't think the performance will be even close to 5950X but it's definitely gonna be MUCH better than what we got from Intel right now. What makes me curious is if AMD could do such wonders at 7nm with Zen3 which is their second release on 7nm node then can you imagine what kind of beast chips we will get on 5nm. Don't rush to waste your money. There's a new release of CPUs each year now with around 20% IPS gains and it seems Intel will do a second release, a proper release by the end of the year. Just sit back and enjoy the battling out show between Intel and AMD then make your decision on what you want/need. I am assuming you have a somewhat modern chip right now?
@@weecious I have a Pentium G3258, dual core baby!
None of the review tests here actually do AVX-512 activated vectorized computing. For everything else this CPU definitely sucks, I hate hot power hungry trash.
But for vectorized computing, which will be primary use for me, if I can get significant advantages (30-40%+ AMD equivalent), Intel still gets my money. I do not care if in games I'm 10-15 frames ahead or behind and the games I play are not very demanding on the HW anyway. But if I deal with 80 gigs of data for arithmetic, the differences in time can be substantial, spending 2 minutes on something critical vs 7 minutes makes a big difference.
Now if 5900x had AVX512, I'd probably be sold.
If you're a gamer the 5600X for $299 from Microcenter felt like a phenomenal deal.
@@maverick7376 get over it. Tech deals was wrong. Not even a surprise, dude's a salesman.
Idk man, 10600K for $190 seems like a much better deal to me.
Or get the 10850K for $320. Just 20 bucks extra and you get a 10 core instead.
5600X should rot on shelves for $300 imo.
If u a gamer U buy the intel 10600k!
Or like Steve said 10600kf
Intel 10 gen cpus are the budget option now 🤣
@@isakh8565 I’d say the 3600 is the better deal, pair with a X570 and then in a year or two, upgrade to a 5900X. With the Intel parts, you’re stuck with what you have in that generation. The 10850k isn’t too bad beyond a much higher power consumption vs AMD parts, but if you build with that in mind, it’s not insurmountable.
And Intel Core i7-10700K with +2 cores more and $50 cheaper than 5600x is even better deal.
Love the thumbnail! Don't hold back Steve, tell us what you really think! 🤣
AMD still manage to have a double lead on Intel as they are offering 7nm processing technologies while Intel is still struggling with 14 nm. Next year expected that AMD will come with 5nm while Intel fighting hard to manufacture 10nm processors. A huge leap by AMD in energy efficiency and multitasking.
What kind of properties does the sky-blue block in the logo have in Minecraft? And how do we get one in Minecraft?
*OTHER HARDWARE CHANNELS:* _"So let's try word this thumbnail in a way that expresses our disappointment in this CPU but not step on too many toes"._
*HARDWARE UNBOXED:* _"So where's a good place to get a big poop emoji jpeg again?" .."You think RUclips will be mad if we just say this thing is _*_Shit_*_ on the thumbnail?"_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A wise man once said these are "a waste of sand swept into the ocean".
I think that what happened to intel with Rocket-lake isn't bulldozer, but more like Zen+ but done wrong.
Zen+ was a mild upgrade from Zen for AMD, though it was welcomed. Because of that, AMD decided not to release an R7 2800X but rather just the 2700X, since the flagship of Zen+ won't be that better than the flagship of Zen, so calling it 2700X and ditching for that generation the 2800X was a great idea, it's the successor of the 1700X, costs about the same, and made them even closer to intel!
The same here. They should have made their 11900K as the 11700K and it would have been much better, with adjusted prices of course.
Please review the 11700 / 11700F (Non - K) this can be a very interesting test to see how bigh is the difference from the 11900k when both cpus are 8716 and have 16 mb cache, and the 11700 is $330 msrp
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Brutally honest review, just what I've come to expect from you guys. Great stuff!!!
Not pulling any punches with the thumbnail, lol.
PLEASE CAN YOU INCLUDE THE AUD PRICE for your Australian viewers.
A two word review. Forking awesome! I love this new plan. Review the item, tell everyone "It's Sh!t!" as the review, the prices drop. What's not to like?
How much of that is due to software not optimized for the architecture though? In a years time the ranking may well be quite different.
Intel feels like the Call of Duty of the hardware world: release something every year, even if nobody wants it, nobody asked for it, and there's no reason to stop playing the old one.
Im interested as to why they're using the 3090 rather than the 6900XT for CPU testing, since the 6900XT is faster on average in both 1080p and 1440p ultra testing in thier own benchmarks
so slower, less cores/thread, less energy efficient for more money. wtf is this business model?
I was very interested to see this review after watching GamersNexus' coverage, since this cpu seems quite power hungry yet they test with the TDP limits in place.
However as your results show, even when allowed to consume as much power as it can fit in its gob it still underperforms against just about every possible competitor.
i saw you on a recent moore's law is dead video and you mentioned victoria's flooding being "above" you, and earlier there was a joke about everything in australia being upside down, but it got me wondering since it looks like on my map victoria is a state on the bottom of the continent...do you guys print your maps with S on top and N at the bottom (or for that matter do all/any countries south of the equator do that?). there doesn't seem like any reason people couldn't do that since the n.s.e.w. directions would all me the same, just not oriented the same way and the shapes of countries would be imagined flipped..
that CPU should've been released on April 1st
I swear at this point intel released this waste of sand as a meme.
Makes me feel good about buying a 5800X 😁 Still dont have a GPU though😓
I have a 5800x and had to buy the 6800xt from a scalper (but before the tariff tax :) ) you probably sold your GPU in panic right like I did?
@@jimmylim5015 No, i'm still rocking a 1060 3gb but it's obviously a huge bottleneck😂
@@John69420 I had a 2080 Super and felt extremely stupid panic selling it at the worst time possible. But at this point try finding a 1080ti for a good deal and you'll be alright for awhile.
@@jimmylim5015 Naah, i'm tryna score a 3070. Had one at 650 but sold it for 850 to take profits from miners.. now they go for 1100+ I feel stupid
@@John69420 I feel that pain, all these crazy prices and shortages.
Good to hear about the 10400f with b560 mb. I am currently looking for most performance for the least buck, need to upgrade from my 2500k but I dont need a powerhouse; as long as I can play games decently (currently salvage my 570 gpu for the new system) I am happy.
Since the launch of 10400f all suggestions were negative and preferred the 3300x. But that one is nowhere to be found and ryzen 2000's are not cheap either. 3600 is now +70 euro, depending on whether a wraith is added. Then there are the differences in prices for the mb's, can be 40-120euro differences. Some combo's with 10400f are as expensive as a 3600 system, which I wonder if its worth it. Hope your review is going to give my answer.
"Intel Core i9-11900K Review, The Worst Flagship Intel CPU... Maybe Ever!"
Clearly you don't remember pentium 4 netburst.
Oh, the simple, brutal savagery of that thumbnail. 🤣
Love how impartial you are, harshly so, it's brilliant 🤣
Intel's hubris knows no bounds, even when their completely outgunned. Then again Intel's fanboys will still buy it so I guess they win anyway.
Hey Steve, I've heard Intel still has edge in high refresh gaming due to lower latency. Is that true?
I currently have a Z490 board with a 10900k and a GTX 3090, and a samsung 980 pro (which is locked to PCIe 3.0 on the Comet Lake architecture) with Rocket Lake being able to unlock PCIe 4.0 on my MSI Godlike, do you think the 11900K would be worth the overall performance increase?
At least the box looks nice. Great job, Marketing!
11600k is the only thing worth it if you have a z490 motherboard already. 11400 might be interesting. All else: skip and wait for ddr 5 platforms. sad :(
And 11500 if you want an ok iGPU until you can get a 3060/3060Ti for $50 more than MSRP(since the 3400G is OOS right now in the USA)
oh dear...no idea what Intel are doing lately but they sure are pushing people towards AMD
I think they must have been far along in development with this before they had a breakthrough with Superfin. This was a lot of work to make, I'm sure this didn't meet original performance expectations. I don't think we will see anyone back-port architectures for a while, after this.
dumb question but i have to ask, why run the cpu benchmarks on 1080p ultra? sure some of the ultra effects might use cpu but I still would have thought letting the cpu punch through as many basic frames as possible would make a for a better test of a cpu?
ie why not 1080p low? if the textures are high enough resolution they could still cause some level of performance decline. and every screenbased effect like ssao will be drawing nearly 2 million pixels of image per frame so that will require some effort from the gpu which would manifest in the frametime.
for example in borderlands 3 the built in benchmark shows both cpu and gpu frametimes. maybe the sheer power of the GPU in this case gives it ample time to post process a frame before the cpu sends the next but the fact that is called "POST" processing has to be relevant surely?
Low just becomes an I/O benchmark and while somewhat useful, testing games using the highest quality settings is a better test.
Looks like I’ll be staying with my free 10850k for a a while.
Thank you holiday shipping chaos working out in my favor for once
Free? Wow. How do you cool yours?
Mine would need combination of undervolt and limiting boost to 45x and that is using an AIO.
@@internetw4nk3r74 Really? What do your temps look like? I have mine clocked at 5 GHz all-core @ 1.32 V with a 280mm AIO. This is without an undervolt.
It usually stays around 57c to 68c during load, depending on the game. I might've gotten a somewhat cherry one.
@@internetw4nk3r74 I have the 360mm capelix AIO from Corsair keeps cool just fine with a 4.8gh all core boost. I can push it to 5.1 while the AIO can handle it just fine that’s a lot of extra heat to toss into my case. That AIO is an intake on my O11dXL case and my 3090AIO is an exhaust so I’m trying to keep mY GPU temps lower. Probably just need to make that GPU radiator PUSH/PULL
I am uaing matx mobo with matx case (coolermaster q200p) and 120 aio coolermaster v2r (dual push pull fans). I thought it could be sufficient but it's not, it reached 98 deg c. LoL
Just to add, i have 2 front intake fans plus 1 from bottom already. The gpu is fine though, max 70 (an rtx 3070)
@@internetw4nk3r74 yea you definitely need to upgrade to at least a 240mm radiator
Love the thumbnail
Mate you should have seen Tim's first version, it was not work safe :D
The funniest thing is these dumb scalpers and late scalpers are trying to sell this cpu at $1k USD on ebay.
Quick question. Why did you employ the 2080Ti for the non-game tests and the 3090 for the gaming tests?
Hi I Like your reviews but not including things like Adaptive Boost Technology in your review isn't a fair review
I do have a question could you do a video talking about using AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-core, 32-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor, and Thread ripper using RTX 3090. As I am not sure if they would work well together. I heard there are performance issues with adobe software and blender. I really don't want to get an Intel 11th Gen as they are not worth it. Please advise many thanks.