Why Your Train Doesn't Stop At This Station
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- If you've rode a train in Melbourne, you're probably familiar with trains skipping East Richmond station. But why do so many trains skip it, and should this be the case? I take a look.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:27 Initial History
02:35 The Ashworth Improvement Plan
03:23 Operation Phoenix - Richmond
04:03 Operation Phoenix - East Richmond
04:55 Operation Phoenix - beyond Burnley
05:06 Why trains don't stop
06:09 Should this be upgraded?
08:37 Outro
Links
www.westonlangford.com/ - many pictures
victoriancollections.net.au/ - more pictures
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati...)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Ri...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashwort...
• Richmond Train Station...
Many other sources have been used - if any material is yours and I haven't credited it, please let me know, I've probably just forgotten! 
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The reason my train doesn't stop at this station is because I'm on the Sunbury line. 😎😎😎
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then you would know about "Stopping all stations, except South Kensington"
Instead we get South Kensington
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Same but I’m on the Inner west Leppington line 🥰🥰🥰
Next video essay on why your train doesn’t stop at South Kensington.
It’ll be 10 seconds long and say “It’s a desolate shithole” and then the video will end.
South Kensington station is the worst station ever I have seen Rats the size of small dogs
except trains do stop there, unfortunately
it's so satisfying when you wonder about something and days later someone makes a RUclips video about it
haha I'm glad I could help
Its so satisfying when you wonder about a RUclips comment that is wondering about something trivial
Segregation of Route 70 trams from traffic and an increase in such route's service would create a very viable alternative to East Richmond Station, with passengers now having the option to take the tram to Richmond or Burnley stations. Same can be said for the 78 tram, improving access to surrounding areas.
Started a new job a few weeks ago and this is the closest station, such a pain in the arse. Enjoyed the video.
I got off at East Richmond quite a few times when I lived in Melbourne (2007). That being said, I knew I had to pick my train appropriately.
Is so close that you can pretty much walk from Richmond, which is what I do a lot of over missed the connection
But walking 15 minutes to Richmond to then catch a train that goes back through East Richmond without stopping is so ridiculous. They should definitely stop here a lot more often.
Thanks for the vid - great explainer.
Only thing I would say regarding station upgrades is that once you pass a threshold of significant upgrades (replacing old shelter building for example) you trigger the DDA clause. Then you have to rebuild a new station with accessible ramps or lifts.
So realistically you could only do minor upgrades like redoing the surface, new PID, etc, otherwise it’s a new station build - which tbh is probably a good idea if it makes it more accessible.
The platforms are already at ground level and only separated from the car parks on either side by a chain link fence; no lifts or ramps would be necessary. Honestly, I'm convinced that's the whole reason the station has even survived all this time. It's a section of track which runs right along the footpath of that little corner of Cremorne anyway, might as well have the occasional stopping train and a Myki reader.
I remember East Richmond well. It was the closest station to my hotel when I visited Melbourne in October 2013. This video was an eye-opener for me because I previously knew nothing about the station's history.
As an example of the situation with Belgrave trains, my family went to the Puffing Billy Railway one day, but initially had to get a Blackburn service and change at Camberwell. At the time, we didn't realise that most Belgrave services skip East Richmond.
The only memories of that station I have are playing hide and seek across the Melbourne train network and hiding on platform one lmao
that was such a stupid idea
@@MetroManMelbourne surely we do it again but film it....
that would be funny
bruh I remember that it failed massively
@@viathealtonaloopyess
I remember when trains came in fun colours, like cars. You never knew if you were going to get a red one or a blue one or one of those space-age silver ones you saw on other lines.
Another station that could do with opening a second entrance (it's not like they have to be staffed these days) is the north end of Sandringham station, which is also the direction towards the car park. Everyone who comes by car has to overshoot and double back through the station office, creating a jumble. There's even space for a proper service ramp by continuing ahead as the footpath slopes down heading towards the station.
Amazing content once again
nice video and love the facts! ❤
it's a good day when metromanmelbourne uploads 🔥🔥🔥🔥
One improvement I'd like to see is a PID installed at the top of the ramps on Church St. I can walk to either Richmond or Burnley in 8 minutes so, depending on which direction I'm travelling, if there's no train due for more than 8 minutes I can often walk to the next station where there's more frequent services.
Another great video MMM well done
Ian Nosworthy 8:56
I clicked on this thinking it was east richmond in Sydney lol but I stuck around for the whole video
Absolutely hate that this is my nearest station. Going to work I can choose between the 0658 (obviously far too early), 0842 (more ideal, but makes me late to work), 0923 (a 40 minute wait if I miss the 0842). It's an absolute joke of a station. Fortunately it's a lot better on the way home, which in fairness I care a lot more about!
Thanks for sharing makes sense really, interesting you mentioned West Footscray, if ever you get the chance get someone to show you around inside the station its a full blown brand new station inside with offices , large waiting rooms, extensive toilet facilities, and all boarded up. its even bigger than Williams Landing well worth a look a lot of money was spent on it and it hardly used by Metro except the odd bit of training. regards Doc
As someone who works in the area this station doesn't have high enough frequency. The problem with looking at passenger numbers is people will often choose another form of transport if the wait is too long. For example it's a 10min walk from Richmond station so if I have to wait 10 mins I will walk instead because I will get the exercise instead of just sitting for 10 mins. We should be aiming for a turn up and go service in Melbourne at all stations but currently the frequency is too long at a lot of stations including East Richmond
The Glen Waverly trains also service the out stations, so the inner stations are getting the same service and the distance between Richmond and Burnley to East Richmond is almost the same, during peak hours there are a number of Alamein and Blackburn trains stopping at East R both in the morning and afternoon on the down, so East R has plenty of trains to choose from ,also if you want a Camberwell bound train you take the previous Glen Waverly and then get off at Burnley, during off peak on peak you can go in a up direction to Richmond to get a express train which also does not stop at many stations, also it is note worthy to say the having 2 up and 2 down lines together, this is the only place that has it others like the Caufield group have up and down lines side by side, also you need to take in the distance it takes for each Lilydale and Belgrave trains to travel from start to finish, skipping this station is justified, the inner city stations have numerous travel options that outer city stations do not. the up Blackburn trains changed as of 2012 running on the through lines instead of the local lines. with the new working timetable which all Glen Waverley up trains now run direct to Flinders St as there were too many at East R junction, the points just on the up of the platform, crossing over to the through lines to go into the City loop.
Metro must've seen your video - the train timetable display were updated just last week haha! though seems like they've upgraded few more stops on that line since the one at Hawthorn has been updated as well.
Great video
The usage would be higher if the service was better. When services are infrequent, passengers to/from the city use the 70 tram instead.
It's also like a 2 minute tram ride between Richmond & East Richmond station, so it wouldn't really improve commute times for many people
Upgrades are generally justified on safety requirements rather than purely pax numbers. Unless there's a risk of tripping, issues with disabled access, has design elements which inhibit operations or it happens to be the central 'hub'/identity of the suburb, there's no reason to upgrade a station. It's just a waste of money.
Hey, just a small note that you might want to keep working on the audio balance!
This was an interesting video.
I’ve actually used this station a lot as my grandma lives near there and sometimes when I’m at hers she will take me on the train to the city or Oakleigh. I might actually be a runner up for the person who uses east Richmond the most
Given on average 1300 people use it daily and you're what likely to use it monthly ? Come on malaka
How did you get such clean direct audio of the train route announcement?
How'd you get the HQ announcement at the start?
You should do another video on South Kensington since it's got a similar issue.
same as south kensington
Great ideas. I've missed so many trains there due to not having an entrance on the west ends of the platforms, how hard is it to open up a fence and plonk a myki reader in there, not difficult.
If you are opening a new entrance it needs to be DDA approved. correct lighting etc etc, all the old entrances are just grandfathered in unfortunately. It's not that simple for you able bodied folk
cool vid
The platform lines are the local lines and the 2 centre lines are the through tracks. your Lilydales and Belgraves use the through lines.
2:05 trains used to go to sunbury via the city from glen waverley??
i mean just having the GW trains stop seems to work, remembering that there is a tram to the city 50m away
As a person that uses the glen waverly line it always* goes to east richmond :)>}}.
In the still of the original station at 0:36 there is the number 14 in front of the station name. I've seen this before and tried to find out what this nuumber represents without success. Any ideas?
I'm not fully sure. I had also considered that that photo might be of New South Wales' East Richmond Station, not Melbourne, but I'm not sure.
I have 14 recorded as the station number for East Richmond in 1886. It's not in the 1883 list, though. I'm not sure where these lists are from, maybe H.K. Atkinson's Railway Tickets book (whose name I can't remember).
The later number for East Richmond was 2150. The periodical number was 7A.
East Richmond in NSW has the number 114ER.
City Loop Reconfiguration could address these capacity issues by linking Glen Waverley with Upfield. I am not holding my breath though.
Pakenham/Cranbourne lines might have recently taken over but it is and now ALWAYS will be just one up and one down line with a half assed HCMT/CBTC system which will NEVER work intermixed with VLine trains and CBTC signalling ending at Clayton
They fucked up when they upgraded it 😂
An upgrade of the Glen Waverley trains on the weekend to a 10-minute service like Belgrave and Lilydale trains out of Ringwood would be nice but it may involve those trains running out direct from Flinders St as there may not be enough room in the City loop to accommodate the extra services, l would welcome a 10-minute service, but it is not likely now or in the near future.
The intention is exactly this - permanent direct services every 10 minutes. It is expected that this will occur some time after the opening of the Metro Tunnel.
@@MetroManMelbourne How will the new tunnel allow for an increase in the off-peak service on the GWY line? The new tunnel has absolutely NO effect whatsoever on the Burnley group. Off-peak services def should be increased to at least 10 minutes on all lines, and except for a small number of outer suburban single track sections, the existing network can easily cope with an increase in off-peak services. Peak hour is when there are capacity problems, and the only relief the new tunnel will provide is taking the Sunbury line out of the Northern loop - all other lines will just be shuffled around with no increase in capacity.
@@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly cranbourne and packenham lines are also going through the metro tunnel, taking those trains out means you can put more of the other trains through
terminating at flinders and having to either switch trains or go out and grab a tram isnt that bad either, would prefer that over waiting 20min for the train
@@piarateking8094 In theory you could take the GWY line out of the Burnley loop and run it through the Caulfield loop instead, but that would require some very awkward trackwork at Richmond if it was even possible.
To make that work efficiently the portal for the Caulfield loop would have to be relocated. And if they go to that trouble then they could have done the same at the North Melbourne end and ran the GWY line through to Craigie/Upfield bypassing FSS, and do the same to the Northern loop for use in the other direction. Then Caulfield trains could run direct to Sunbury via FSS using the Caulfield and Northern vaduct tracks.
If they had done that they wouldn't need the Metro tunnel at all, in fact it could have been done at a fraction of the cost of the new tunnel and been finished years ago and provided a greater capacity increase than the new tunnel. Instead they are going to shuffle things around, Frankston to the Caulfield loop and Sandy through to Werribee leaving platforms 12 & 13 at FSS vacant, which does nothing to increase capacity.
The only capacity increase the new tunnel will provide is taking the Sunbury trains out of the Northern loop. The new stations near St Kilda Rd and the Uni will not provide much relief because most people will continue to use the very frequent tram service which is much more convenient.
7:02 - The information display board at Heathmont was upgraded quiet some time ago. Perhaps you have confused Heathmont with another station?
There is nothing at Tecoma.
The photo at Heathmont I used was itself from a couple of years back.
I was expecting South Kensington based on the title 😅
The triple track sections that plague Melbourne and Brisbanes networks seem in retrospect so stupid. Sydney made a good decision allowing space on all its main lines to have quad track. Hopefully Melbourne can upgrade these triple sections without too much cost or disruption but as the Network continues to get busier this will become more important.
Basically impossible with all the trench stations. They still provide a ton of benefit and flexibility
@@74_pelicans but a ton less than Quad track would have is the key point.
@@kyletopfer7818of building new and adding now, yeah sure, but not really now. Third track adds the capacity when it need for the 3-5hrs a week, the remaining double track is fine.
@@74_pelicans the capacity IS needed, Melb just doesnt run enough trains and doesnt have culture of running expresses throughout the day even though they are popular
Its so close it Richmond, I doubt frequency would make a material difference to passengers.
where did you get the high quality announcement voice from
probs dva 5
I can’t remember to be honest - it was doing the rounds a while back.
@@georgetb9083 found it, thanks !!
how did the official sound files get leaked though :o
@@georgetb9083 found it !! how did they get the voice??
@@georgetb9083 thanks
What do you use to edit?
Adobe Premiere Pro
@@MetroManMelbourne legend
They should remove this station add two extra train lines so 3 lines for Glen Waverley and 3 for Belgrave / Lillydale which changes over at burnley.
Why?
Can you do a video on why Willison is only 418 metres away from Riversdale? It is the shortest distance between stations on the entire network, and it's seriously unnecessary. I'm sure it has something to do with the old Outer Circle line turning into the Alamein line.
I've been planning something on the Alamein line for a while, stay tuned
It's actually a really interesting story and had to do with golf 🏌️
@@74_pelicans ya, so why didnt they close willison when that club moved away?
Sounds a lot like most of the stations on the main western line in sydney, lol.
Maybe East Richmond station will get an upgrade when apartments are built over it.
like box hill or eaglemont?
@@mineyon-ms yes, precisely.
of course i find this video comes to exist *after* i no longer need to make the commute to east richmond station 3 times a week, and i've made like 5 (maybe even more) complaints to ptv about this 💀 also, screw google maps for not showing me that a tram route from richmond to east richmond stations exists…
How about "Why your train replacement bus doesn't stop at South Kensington."?
Why? Because Metro doesn't give a damn. They have so few damns to give that they don't even advise it on the notice about train replacement buses.
When it happened to me, 'damn' may not have been the work I used...
Don't the Alamein trains also stop at East Richmond? Not just the Glen Waverley trains
From someone who has a station that gets 2 trains a hour, 9 trains a hour is a lot.
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I was going into the city on the train a few days ago and we had to move to the side outside East Richmond to let another train pass. The train very slowly started creeping towards the platform which would have seemed like we were stopping. That's when the people on the platform walked up to the train and tried to get in but we kept creeping along slowly then left. At this point, I'm convinced the entire train network is in on elaborate plan to be cruel to those who get on at East Richmond.
Great video, and fascinating info, but maybe slow down your narration a little bit. You tend to slur some words together and it can be a little distracting during your faster moments.
thanks for the feedback
Bankstown trains 2:05 come
My trains doesn’t stop at these stations because my train goes to Springfield central, not Melbourne
Real
On weekends the Ringwood and Glen Waverley lines are timed such that a Ringwood passenger can take a train to Burnley, then change to an accompanying Glen Waverley train usually arriving within 2 minutes, and vice versa for outbound to the suburbs. This unfortunately isn't a properly timed connection - the ex-Glen Waverley train will not wait for the Ringwood train like trains do at Glenfield in South-western Sydney between Macarthur and Leppington trains.
Well it's east Richmond
The reason my train doesn't stop here is because I live somewhere else
How do i marry trains?
Why? Because I'm a serious man with serious business. I'm not taking a non-express.
sooooo according to this so called "the book of rules", you'd get well over 50+ toots (whistles) just for that station every hour by the drivers? screw that place!! or do they get some special treatment?
nope that's basically correct
Trams are a very short walk away on swan street to get you to either burnley or (more likely) richmond quick enough. I think in this day and age it doesnt add much value - it should be closed. Its had its time. Great vid with all the ye olde pics.
I think the opposite. So many new apartment and businesses there. 500k people use it WITH the poor service. would be a lot easier to help them get off there
Honestly, just get rid of it. It makes no sense to have this station. Proximity to Richmond being one.
True but do you really want to dump more people onto the trams ?
True but do you really want to dump more people onto the trams ?
@@qjtvaddict sure, why not?
What station?! Stop spreading this absolute nonsense!! It’s just a coles goods siding, everyone knows that.
Everyone knows East Richmond doesn't exist. MetroManMelbourne is spreading falsehoods.
3 days ago?
What a load of rubbish! East Richmond is NOT poorly serviced compared to other stations. It has the same service as any other station on the Glen Waverley line. One can get the impression it is poorly serviced because trains on the ALM BEG LIL lines don't stop there, but if you think of ERM as a station on the GWY line it is no worse off than any other GWY line station. In fact, it gets a better service than the GWY line because some peak hour Blackburn trains also stop there. (For the same reason South Kensington is also no worse off than any other station between Footscray and Newport served by by a stopping-all-stations service, it just gives that impression because the Sunbury trains and Werribee expresses don't stop there.) If you want to argue that ERM has an inadequate service to meet its needs, that is fair enough, but then so does the whole GWY line, in fact almost every line in Melbourne has an inadequate frequency of service. But to say ERM has a poor service compared to other stations because non-GWY line trains don't stop there is just wrong.
This is a very odd thing to get very mad about. 3 trains per hour is poor serviced in anyone’s book.
@@MetroManMelbourne You missed the point. Yes, a 20 min service is crap, but that same crap service applies to the entire GWY line. My point is that you singled out ERM as having a worse service than other stations and that is not the case. It is the same crap service as any other station gets on a 20 min frequency!
Honestly it should be shut down
Good question, the station doesn’t exist.
You need a story for this?! Many trains bypass stations around the world. It's not necessary for every train to stop there.
Trains from box hill should be treated like trains from Strathfield in Sydney. 1 local service and the rest express. Blackburn, Alamein all stops. Belgrave Lilydale express to Richmond. Maybe with a stop at Camberwell. It’s a joke this isn’t the standard outside of the peek.
The only way you can do this is to have a 4th track. Then you have Alamein pick up the services before Camberwell. But then again you really have to stop at Swinburne too
@@74_pelicans I’ve never understood the Swinbourne stop. It isn’t an interchange. Why stop there? The local services can deal with it. Anyone know why?
…if anything it should be Camberwell and Burnley for interchange with Alamein and Glen Waverley. Swinbourne is just a suburban stop. It makes no sense…
* of course I mean Glenferrie but you all know what I mean 😀