Look Who Gibson is Flirting With! (New Signature Model?)
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The current ownership has been really good with patching up past fumbles and falling outs and it seems the newest “flirt” is with Journey’s Neal Schon! Neal already has a non-official and official signature Les Paul but there was some reported bad blood when Gibson continued to use the “axcess” heel carving on future models. Currently, he is loving the Les Paul Supreme - might we see a Gibson USA Neal Schon model in the future? We also talk about some other “news” like the Gibson Falcon Amps and Collector’s Edition Pickups.
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7:27 the Falcon 20 is not 20w ... and the design is ridiculous.
Tubes on a pcb board mounted sideways .. can you say fail? FIRE!!
The 'allure' of the PAF's is that they were all 'different' due to a lack of strict manufacturing procedures.
Gibson is insane with the pick up price of 1,000. And then they also went crazy with the falcon amps!
*_Especially_* once you see the guts of those amps. Tubes socketed right onto the PCB? HAVING a PCB at all while claiming "hand wired" right on the back? I guess now plugging all the pots onto the PCB by hand counts as hand wiring? Just...wow.
You are so misinformed...a number of hi end pickup makers that have sets that retail over 1K. Some even more on the secondary market. Go clip some coupons and do your homework.
It is all so tiresome. The prices aren’t insane just because you can’t afford them. They don’t owe you access to their product.
@@jcwoodstl nah they’re overpriced get Gibson 🥜 Out of your mouth
Everyone, everyone! Let’s not argue! Remember, it is GIBSON who is the enemy! 😁😆
Ah I remember the year 2000 when the "previously only available in Custom shop Japan guitars" Burstbuckers were offered for sale "the closet possible to late 50's PAF's" was the spin, wooden spacers, unpotted windings, original wire, hand wound on original machines, Hahaha! $200 and some change from Musician"s Friend for a 2 and a 3, little plastic case.. been in my 80 standard for 24 years....are they vintage now?
I think they only had 1000 of the collectors PAFs to sell, and they did apparently sell out quickly.
Steve from 60 Cycle Hum pointed out that Seymour Duncan came up with Silver Zephyr pickups for about the same price, with a little case for them too! And a lot of boutique pickup makers will charge you about $850… so add on $150 for the little case and there you go.
Even if Gibson charged $300 for the same pickup set in the little case the internet would be full of people shitting on it and saying how overpriced it was. People love to hate Gibson because deep down they want one and can’t afford it. They praise shitty budget brand import guitars and talk about how they are better than anything Gibson puts out but they know deep down that they are just trying to make themselves feel better about not having a Gibson. People go on and on about how awful Gibson quality control is but I’ve owned Gibsons made from the 90’s up to current production and I’ve honestly had no QC issues with any of them. I have had QC issues with a few fender guitars and my PRS McCarty had a wiring issue straight from the factory.
@@jcwoodstl Fender has been disappointing, Squier is way better lately (I go for the paranormal models, something different from the usual suspects)
Reverend has never given me an issue and they sell around the same price as the low end of Gibson. (Their Railhammer pickups are really good)
Neal's specs on his 2000's model is very close to my dream guitar. Great to hear that Gibson seem to have mended connections with past artists, especially with Neal.
What gives me the chuckles is knowing that yes, installing those $999 pickups will kill the value- and yet we all know there are people who will put multiple sets into multiple guitars and never bat an eye. 😁
The Falcon 5 is 7 watts and the Falcon 20 is 12 watts.
Neal and Gibson went their Separate ways but folks don’t stop believing
They have both been on a journey but he will now be welcomed back with open arms.
Faithfully..
This isn't a sustainiac, it's a farnendes sustainer
$999 for "copies" of vintage pickups that sell for $600~$800 , but you can't install them in anything without losing their value. Should be a smash hit among those who pay extra to get a new guitar that's been made to look old 😊
Gibson humbuckets from the late fifties sell for $15,000 and more.
@@Willee88 Humbucket : A bucket containing a swarm of bees,🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝.
Sustainiacs are incredibly fun.
Can't wait to hear your opinion on the Hammett Custom. Do approve or disapprove of the KH Custom having no EMG's?
I hate emg personally but they do sound good with the right person playing.
Well done on the teaser at the end. Now I can’t wait for the next episode!
There is a set of '59 mounting rings on Reverb for..... $12,000!! Considering they belong in a quarter to half million dollar guitar, brings perspective.
$1k pickups, the best sounding ever; but you can't hear them, is almost like Gibson testing the feeding frenzy. What can we make and label it vintage, and they will eat it up?!
Hooray for Neil, glad fences got mended. Ü ♫
The Neal Schon LP is one of my all time favorites, love me a Floyd guitar. Speaking of Floyds, happy 69th birthday EVH 🤟🏻
happy birthday EVH
Preach it, Brother!
4:07 Sustainiac! Great ™️ name for a pickup.....love it!🎸👍
The falcon 20 is 12watt not 20 and is a PCB not point to point. They are being marketed as a reissue and has nothing to do with the original falcons except the tweed looks. They cost 2-3x the cost of an original falcon from the 60s. Really poor value and not a full vacuum point to point amp.
Why do you care?
Could have used aligator clips to test the pickups :P
At least they aren’t selling usb drives anymore…
Just picked up a Classic LP 1990 - getting some Jim Wagner's installed and I can't wait to hear it. JWP Moore/Green set - you ever try out any of Jim's pickups, Trogly?
I believe Neal uses the Fernandes sustainer, not the Sustainiac.
Yeah he uses the fernandes because the sustainiac cuts out when he use it when the fernandes old ones dong
Newsflash, the Falcon 20 is only 12 watts! It does not matter how well a Les Paul nut is cut it will still have tuning problems. A locking nut solves the problem. 😊
FALSE...I have a number of Gibson LPs with NO tuning problems. You have to get guitars set up...just like every other guitar.
@jimmyjohn9431 yeah, I had a 2001 Custom with almost no tuning issues.
My epi doesn't have tuning problems
I got excited when you said they were working on tuning thinking they were finally going to have factory evertune models. Oh well. I’ll just have to carve one into the next explorer I get lol. Love my 2019 Gibson Explorer with evertune and the SD hot Rod set.
Throbak PAF pickups run about $800. Virgil Arlos run over $3,000 used. $1,000 is kinda standard for high end PAF pickups.
1000% facts...nothing but coupon clipping hobbyist moaning about how expensive everything is.
To be fair there are some great pickups at the $4-500 range though. Lollar makes some fantastic pickups. Three grand for Virgil Arlos is pretty rediculous.
@@ahoneyman Of course...and there are some decent PUs in the $100 range. But this bashing of prices is just stupid. Especially when you know the price spectrum. Sadly many hobbyist simply don't know.
@@WhyAlwaysMeMario There is a bit of diminishing returns though. How much does original butyrate bobbins really matter versus styrene. Does the LeeSona winder have special magic? Do I need a Vitamin Q foil capacitor to get all that magic?
@@ahoneymanEmperor's new clothes comes to mind.
Nay on excitement about Neal , yet I love his P-90 Florentine and his ES-355 in natural, also the Gibson amplifiers are very cool...Thanks Trogly !
1) I might be in the market for a new Neal!
2) Amp - not for me, strangely enough I quite like the Epiphone Snakepit amp and that's dirt cheap
3) $1,000 "display" pickups... Pass
4) TP6 - I was always someone who had Strat style guitars. And they all had FR or Kahler bridges, and my one actual Strat that has a custom vintage retrofit fine tuning bridge. The ability to tune via thumbscrews is just always something I had.
When I bought my first LP it was "weird" for me, because I couldn't make any quick adjustments.
My first thought of course was to have it routed for a FR.
Then I figured maybe a surface mount Kahler.
But I wanted to keep the original LP look and that's when I noticed the TP6 on Lucille and said "yeah I'm having that"
Well worth the $150 in my opinion if you are used to making fine adjustments.
Damn I want that little pickup case. For my pickups.
Nice to see the TP-6 tail piece. I like those.
The case for the pickups is cool
cool idea to put a locking nut on an LP to keep it in tune, even with a hard-tail lol
They really need to reach out to Frank Marino
You could use clip leads or ZIF connectors, and not have to solder your leads. Wonder what their impedance is.
They should go for a Steve Hackett Signature model. Sustainer Pickup and Floyd Rose, very similar to Neals model. This is so much fun.
Buy the pickups and install them with aligator clips? No solder. No harm.
Love the videos Trogly !!!
I have TP-6’s on all my Gibson’s. Thats because I have a lot of other guitars with Floyd’s and I’m used to tuning at the bridge anyways.
I must give Gibson credit for being able to see suckers coming, begging to be parted from their cash.
Yup
I believe Neal Schonne was rocking a Supreme when I saw Journey. I saw a few posts available that talks about a new bridge combo that Gibson has that is supposed to affect tumor positively.
I've been saying they should put a lock nut on a non trem Gibson. It makes sense that you now don't have to worry about the f'd up string angle at the nut. I did this to a string through non trem Dean ML back in the 90's. People would say, why have the locking nut without a Floyd rose bridge. It's obvious considering how the string angles on that crazy headstock are.
What about using a wing nut or just wrap some wire around them for demo? Might work for a demo so you don’t have to solder them.
Even though I do enjoy Neal Schon as a guitar player, I would want to try this model less for his signature (considering how vehemently I have spoken out against the existence of signature models) and more because of the custom features.
Great Show!
Not really interested in signature guitars, but anything that improves tuning stability on a Les Paul is 👍
Doing the nut slots helps alot but is still trying to mitigate a poor design.
I have a MIJ EVH Wolfgang with that locking nut + fine-tune stop tail combo. Would probably keep tune great if the neck didn't shift in the pocket 😆
I guess that the locking nut and tp6 combination will make it like a headless guitar, except a bit heavier and looking a bit more conventional.
im still praying for a Buckethead reissue
Falcon amps are crap inside. Board mounted tubes?
Gibson should have made available a 'gold' 1959 Humbucker Collector's Edition...not just chrome.
Yeah, and the pickups are only available in chrome...not gold.
If you look closely at 4:26 it looks like it might have an epiphone headstock. Neal Schon sig epi run?
The new Supreme with a TP6 and locking nut I'd def. rock.
Neal Schon's new signature Les Paul?!!!!!!! I have dreamed of a new one since I learned about the original signature please don't be that expensive minimum a kidney in value
th sg supremes dont only look thicker then usual, i think they still are since the neck tenon comes over the top in an angle…maybe they will get surface grinded
Schon's controls are a la PRS
How about reviewing the 2018 Gibson Heavy Metal Flying V?
Not to mention Tom Anderson guitars just showed two guitars made for Neal on their instagram page......
IMO the best thing about Neal's Les Pauls was the 25.5" neck scale. People seem to forget about that. I'm not a Floyd guy anymore but I do prefer the longer scale length and Axcess heel. I wonder how long before we see a Les Paul with an Evertune bridge.
That woudk be pretty great. I only seeing Gibson doing that on a LP Modern refresh or something like that. I would love if Gibson had a 25.5" neck on one model Les Paul.
@@adamstrachn get an original Nighthawk? They were 25.5. There's a three pickup version on reverb right now for $1,200.
That 3-tone sunburst is beautiful. It just screams 1970's.
Why pay $1000 for pickups you can’t use?! Who has $1000 to throw away on a paper weight?!
🎉Troggly you nailed it with this video. Spot on. 👍
What how did I miss it, thanks Austin. I thought it seemed funny that you hadn’t said anything yet
Nice guitar.
If you wind your strings from the top, down make sure your nut is cut right and use some Big Bend Nut Sauce in the cut it will stay in tune playing for hours with or without bends live or in the bedroom practicing.
The falcons look like nice amps I was hoping they'd reissue the goldtones
I put a Floyd Rose on my silver sky and thought I had the only one! Then I found out that Neil Schon had one made 😮. I like both Trogly’s and Neil’s playing
I'd love to see these Neal Schon sig models. A review would be awsum...Austin, you should research Neal's guitars he designed back in the 80's and review one. I remember they looked really original but they didn't sell well. .
I’m considering getting one of the new supremes and having a Floyd put in it
Ughhh!😮
The pickups are more Collector items.
So the value may go up.
And Trogly pointed out, as have others, if you install them in a guitar, you lose a chunk of the Collector’s value
While on a LIVE show the other night on another YT guitar channel when the topic of those $999. pups came up I brought up your name & many agreed that they thought you would be a buyer, yet after what you said tonight, which makes perfect sense, why would you? Unless you were just going to put them in a case on a shelf unused in your museum. Us non-collectors are unable to toss around $$$ like that.
Yeah, but see the thing is...those pickups weren't meant for you. You're just mad at your situation.
@@WhyAlwaysMeMario Sorry I make my own sandwiches that's why you're making that comment. I'm sure they were made for someone just like you 😂
@@rockinrob2004 YUP!
Neals an awesome guitar player, I think he deserves his own LP Signature, & they should give him what he wants, it would be unique!
Carlos Santana also liked his knobs down lower, out of the way. I guess it follows that Neil might like that as well.
Hey there
I don't care about the pickups but I would like the box,, if you can use it for other things than just the pick-ups.
I bought Gibson pickups for my guitars back in the 90s and they came in a really cool heavy clear plastic "Jewell box", and I still use the boxes
TBH, I loathe the fret nibs. I had to return two Flying V's to Gibson due to have nibs o the guitar where the E string would catch between the nib and the fret.
It would be nice if they offered his talent to go with it....
The Falcon 20 is only 12w, not 20
So a grand for a pickup set...do they sound orders better than either Duncan or DiMarzio PAF pups or are people strictly buying the name? And if installing them ruins the value what's the actual point? The neat-o Lifton case?
So you know the fashion 20 is a12 watt, not 20 watt amp. Yeah very weird, but it is what it is i guess. Be interesting to see how these new falcons will hold up, being tube on pcb board amps.
Woot woot Trogly's guitars 🎸 🙌
He's got a supreme with a Fernandez Sustainer
Does the locking nut make the peghead stronger?
No it doesn't. It simply allows the strings to be clamped down against the base of the nut.
I had a super gold tone in the 70s and I have forever regretted selling it, granted I got a plexi in the deal so I’m not crying but if they bring those back I’m in!
Another $20k guitar! Yay!!!
6:27 If they can get Bill Kelliher back on board and release a signature, you better believe I’d get one! Plus, it’ll probably be cheaper than the LTD signatures that ESP are putting out. It says a lot when Bill still plays his Les Paul’s live over the eclipse models.
The strings are not seated correctly in that locking nut. It's worse on the low strings. The only good one is high E.
Neal Schon! Rockin' the prototypes here?
If I had a spare grand sitting around I would quickly buy a set of those pickups. I would then have to buy a nice Les Paul to put them in.
Hell yeah, a Road House remake!
He has a new Tom Anderson single cut LP style with a Floyd Rose.
I have enough of knowledge in electronic to build my own tube amp. Being born rich is good, knowledge is priceless.
Skills and bartering will be the future. ( one good deed leads to another )👍🏼
In one of the videos for the new Gibson amps there is a new Epiphone firebird (most likely custom shop collab) in Pelham blue with banjo tuners that is rumoured to be a leaked guitar.. made me think of Trogly lol
Gibson should pick Up Billy Duffy, Steve Clark and Alex Skolnick.
Steve Clark died January 8, 1991
I want a Les Paul with a Floyd and good high fret access that’s not 5k.
The 1k is nuts for the pups if there is hardly a resale value.
I'm still patiently waiting for the Mark Morton Les Paul.
If Gibson created a Les Paul w Sustainer and a true Floyd Rose, I would be all in!
well ive seen demos on the gibson amps and i cant imagine them selling many to be honest. the 5 watt is a rediculas 1499 and the 20 watt which is actually 12 watt is 1799. think of all the amp you can buy for this kinda price. i got swamp land for someone who will pay these prices
Those amps are KILLER!! I played the 20 watt and it's EPIC. However, if you don't understand that Champ tweed thing, you'll never understand what this amp is about.
You could try using alligator clips
Basically there’s no need for a tp6 unless the lock-nut is there.
The lock-nut pushes the string slightly out of tune and the tp6 is there to tune it back.
It also means a Floyd that mounts to the pegs will work very well
Every pickup Gibson make or have ever made are sold as sounding like original PAF's. Confusing.
Bringing Hetfield back would be awesome, I'm sure Iron Cross Les Pauls would fly off the shelves
Sorry man, I’m not buying an amplifier with 12ax7’s , and everything else but the pots, mounted to a pcb board. What were they thinking? Those amps just won’t be around long., you know what heat does to a pcb board, right?