Analysis of Brazil's Most Infamous Plane Crash | Lamia 2933
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2021
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Lamia 2933 is one of the most talked about plane crashes in recent years but is also one of the most tragic. The investigation would find that gross negligence as well as pilot error were key factors in such a tragic accident.
View the Accident Report here - reports.aviation-safety.net/2...
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CREDITS
Voice Actors
Captain - Ryan Haugen (Twitter @rhnarrates)
First Officer - Jordan Betbeze
Air Traffic Control 1 - Ryan Haugen (Twitter @rhnarrates)
Air Traffic Control 2 - Christina Roberts (cnroberts.com)
Music
www.purple-planet.com
Sim Footage
Microsoft Flight Simulator 10 - now upgraded 😊
Camera System - ChasePlane
Ground Services - GSX
Avro 146 Regional Jet - QualityWings
Lamia Repaint - Hangar226
Images/Footage
In Order of appearance:
Wikimedia - Rosedale7175 - www.flickr.com/photos/rosedal...
AviationSafety.net - Graham - aviation-safety.net/photo/945...
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"Our fuel level is 3200, and our flight plan says we need 3300 to reach our destination." "Let's go for it, we'll be fine."
It is crime to fly with that fuel the acceptable air worthy is it has to get enough fuel to and fro without thank zero fuel
@@sampsonsarbine3311 Agreed. Unacceptable behavior for a general aviation pilot, inescusable behavior for a commercial pilot.
He was acting as if he were playing some video game, not responsible for the lives of 73 people.
Yeah but who cares they would have all grown up to be overgrown children anyway right right
@@7008aspen Pls sir yes and no those onboard put their lives into the maintance/inspection crew their judgement hs to guarantee their safe arrival of their destination.
the problem....the co owner was on board.
the words ...just make it happen, springs to mind.
too many lives lost because of cost cutting. hopefully that guy passed slowly.
The pilots treated this flight like they were driving a car and a low fuel light was no big deal!! Shocking behaviour and thank goodness the major airlines are better than that, or so we trust anyway.
I don't treat my low fuel light in my car like that. 1/4 a tank I'm filling up even when there are gestations everywhere. I would not due well in an electric car.
Thank you for covering a very sad and dramatic moment of chapecoense acident. One of the saddest days in brazilian aviation. The pilot,had done this CRAZY AND RECKLESS routine a number of times before, always landing in fumes of fuel. After one ofthese crazy flights, A hangar employee said that he tried to convice the man to not repeat it saying that it would eventually kill him to keep doing that. Another fact worth mentioning the lady who accepted their flight plan, denied the flight plan 3 times, asking for the endurance time and total distance to be changed, then after 3 times she was somewhat forced to accept it anyway. This was one of the most bizarre lack of airmanship i have seen in aviation in my life. Its obvious that eventually he would run out of luck, as fate would have it, it happened, and he carried many inocent lives with him.
Note, this same pilot was going to carry the argentina national soccer team, including famous soccer player messi.
Thanks for this information. So sad. 😥
That is crazy! And criminal! Thanks for sharing.
I don't consider the pilot's death a tragedy. He was a murderer. I just wish he hadn't brought down so many others with him.
The original voice recordings are heart breaking bcs you can clearly hear the dispair in their voices and how much the tower controller tried to save the flight. But how could ATC provide vectors if they didn't have the plane's altitude? Devastating.
The ATC was not at fault. If thosd pilots had declared an emergency or PAN PAN PAN, then she might have had more of a chance to save them
@@patriciaramsey5294 I know and that's whar I said - ATC couldn't give vectors, as the plane didn't provide any data.
This was totally on the owner trying to save a fraction of money.
One thing is to risk your own life, but when u risk a life of so many people, you are simply a criminal.
"they should have approximately enough fuel." This isn't a car,where ya just walk to the nearest gas station,if u r wrong. If u run out in the air,u probably gonna die. And ya gotta be more forceful that u r almost out,& need priority.
I think this should be characterised as what it was - manslaughter.
I didn't know many of the details of this story. As you were telling it I find myself still not believing that the pilots could be making these decisions. As you discussed later this reflected a criminally reckless culture without the thankfully no longer functioning airline.
Excellent telling of the story.
I used to watch a show called Mayday on the discovery Channel which went into detail about plane crashes and the investigations that followed. I haven't had cable in over a decade so I haven't watched the show in quite some time. This channel however has filled that hole. Thanks. :)
FYI A lot of Mayday/ Air Crash Investigation videos are on RUclips, too. Just search for the full episodes :)
Ya they upload full episodes. I love that show, it got me interested in aviation
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I would also recommend the channels "DIsaster Breakdown" and "Mini Air Crash Investigation", who both upload weekly, as well as "Mentour Pilot", a 737 captain, who do a variety of aircraft videos including going through accidents and incidents, both famous and unknown. They are all as good or better than Mayday, which Im also a fan of.
I watched mayday and i do miss it.
Seems to be absolute incompetence and recklessness that cause this accident.
This channel produces better videos than some of the more well known aviation accident channels on RUclips. Is there a Patreon to donate to? I would definitely support the work of this channel to produce more videos. Awesome job!
This same Lamia got to transport the Argentina National Team with Lionel Messi in the world cup qualifiers in South America and they almost had a fuel starvation situation with them, but since they could avoid the accident at the time, nobody got to know how reckless they were.
Nice video as usual. So weird to see such loss of lives due to what seems basic negligence from professionnals... Makes me wonder how often stuff like this happen.
Crazy Chicken, that’s a valid concern. In my opinion, and I stress this is only opinion, it doesn’t happen often.
@@sludge4125With the hopes your opinion is factual, I highly doubt it, there always will be rebel pilots unfortunately!, most likely not airline pilots! That's what was crazy about this one!
Very informative, and extremely well presented. Keep up the good work!
It's allways the double down with gross negligence. First ignoring all precautions and then not admitting the mistake or doing so when it's too late.
The captain thought the Rionegro VOR indication was actually the localizer, which is why he descended in such a way and thought he was on final even though he was over 10 miles away from the airport, he actually crashed in the very same mountain the VOR is located, less than 200m to its side
Great video @3Greens
Can't wait to see you hit 1000 subs soon😊
One of the most negligent air crews ever...led by the Captain/part owner
This is such a terrible story, very well told. Thank you. ⚘
The poor Girl at TAC was blamed for this. I remember. She had to go into hiding.
Didn’t know that.
Could be a factor
Good God, this is stressful to watch, what numpties. Two aircraft "short of fuel", quite a common problem it would seem.
Numpties? Is that a word? It kind of sounds like an Australian word for dummie- or idiot, I like it! Sorry, I digress.
Pilots of that flight ware behind the aircraft from beginning making number of amateur fuel decisions. Absolutely unacceptable performance for professional pilots.
UNBELIEVABLE
É tão realista a forma como você retratou as comunicações do LMI2933 com o ATC de Medellín, momentos antes da tragédia (mesmo sendo em inglês as comunicações, você conseguiu transferir a angústia e preocupação de ambos os lados) . Admiro muito e foi graças a sua simulação desse triste momento da aviação, e também para nosso futebol, que conheci seu canal. Ótimo trabalho e espero que continue com as simulações...
Imagine delaying an entire flight because you want to get a video game out of your bag.
Imagine being a captain who allows it, instead of suggesting getting the game in an hours time when they [have to] stop for fuel.
If someone were to write this as fiction, they'd be laughed out of room for being too far fetched.
I can’t blame the passenger for asking since how would they know better and it was VIP chartered flight, but staff or crew should have denied the request due to schedule. But even if the game had stayed in baggage they still were taking a huge risk.
@@Sashazur odd that you think VIP chartered flights don’t have to adhere to life-or-death aviation rules.
@@GeoCalifornian Waiting for the passenger is not what killed them; not stopping elsewhere for fuel did. Had they landed in Bogota for refueling they would have been fine.
Well done video. It’s sad how reckless the pilot was. And since the pilot had a history of flying on fumes the executives at that airline were ultimately at fault. They should have gone to jail.
I think the owner was sentenced to jail
God these videos are so immersive. Truly sets you apart from similar channels.
Edit: aside from the occasional overzealous voice actor, that is. Looking at you, ATC lady
The voices here are so good :D
must have got their license in a Kellogg's corn flake box ?
Love the channel! You should research the 70’s plane crash of the American Football college team, Marshall University from my hometown of Huntington, WV, USA. There’s been a movie about it, but your research and telling of the story would definitely do it justice.
There was a film made about that tragedy with Matthew McConaughey!
Those are the type of people that keep driving their cars with the low fuel indication and only tank 4 liters at once to save the money even though you will after all spend that money on fuel anyway, and get surprised when the car stops in the middle of the road. How extremely stupid do you have to be?
You should have added that the owner was Capt and neither pilot would get paid unless they made this trip.
Thanks for the info :)
That is actually irrelevant. There was no doubt the flight was going to be made.
Indeed they should of at least stopped at Bogota.
As always, made my evening 🌆🌆🌆
Very well made. This is comparable to Mentour Pilot and has a higher production quality than Mini Air Crash Investigation and simmilar channels
Cmon. No. This is good, it's not great.
Planning to land with zero is not a plan..
I had heard about the video game request and thought maybe that delay played a part, this explains clearly that it had no bearing.
When the pilot is himself the co-owner of the airline, you can imagine what sort of a company we are talking about.
8:38 the irony is palpable
I don't think this is exactly an accident. It was too planned to blame mere chance. Of course the outcome was not desired, but it was easily predictable.
We're almost out of fuel and we're near someplace called Gemli (sounds like Gimli). What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
If you're a flight crew and you know full well that you clearly do not have enough fuel to A) have the regulated amount of standby and B) get to your effing destination in one piece, you are not fit to fly any aircraft ...... this is absolutely insane in my opinion.🤬🤬
The pilots, just.....smh my God this is so sad! 🙏
what happened to the airline, was it prosecuted, jail, compensation?
I remember when I woke up to this sad news. I was so sad, especially because on the news they showed how happy they were bcs they were going for the final.
moral of the story: you will only be concerned about your fuel levels when you run out of fuel.
As with any crucial bit of equipment or inventory: better to look at it than for it
Just when I thought there was no worse planning than mine in MSFS.
So sad. 😪
Why/How was it even cleared for departure? not take-off but departure from the gate? the maths NEVER added up.
Reminds me of Avianca 52
just a thought that doesn't mean a thing but shouldn't the single green light be on top indicating the nose gear?
Lamia was a Venezuelan airline headed for bankruptcy, it got a couple Bolivian investors to save it and moved it to Bolivia, but money was always tight from the start. This is the result of a culture that i know myself as a Bolivian know well, the "No pasa nada" means Nothing is going to happen, said when taking risks
The Captain being a co-owner of the airline is a bit like Harold Steptoe taking his horse 'n' cart out every morning, being on the board of directors loses some of its lustre. He may well have considered it to be quite above board to cut corners in passenger safety as he himself was likely to die if he cut one too many. Amazing how reckless some people can be, life is dangerous enough, without adding needless risks.
especially in Brazil
plenty of risks there already, all your luck is probably used up just getting to adulthood
So much for their 1st class and VIP flights!If each player was travelling with other passengers in the 2nd class separately,wouldn't some of the players alive today!Just think about themselves and also their 5 stars hotels too instead of the 2-3 stars hotels!Football and other sports are NOT a proper career,they are hobbies only!
Agree that apparently selecting the partner who were taking them (and other teams) to and from games, was not well planned or investigated. You don't put something valuable in the hands of idiots.. But, how were they to know.. I wonder..
Total negligence and stupidity. Criminal negligence if he had lived.
So sad rip
Rip Filipe Machado 😢❤
This isn't a Nascar race, it's never smart to play such a dangerous game with fuel.
I would hazard a guess the aircraft ahead of them that had declared a fuel emergency landed with more fuel than they had when idiotically accepting a holding pattern diversion.
They ought to have declared a fuel emergency themselves at that point and likely would have landed safely.
This not the first time ‘Priority' has stupidly been used in preference to the more appropriate and assistance providing ‘Emergency'.
Astonishingly he was more interested in advising his loss of electrical power than advising all four engines had flamed out due to dry tanks.
I suspect their primary reason for not declaring an emergency earlier when their situation was salvageable was entirely due to the subsequent inquiry that would follow. Once it becomes official due to mandatory ATC reporting and involvement of the civil aviation regulatory body, they knew they’d be caught out deliberately violating regulations that demand a minimum of 30mins fuel reserve on landing. Because they’d elected to 'fly on fumes' arrogantly and irresponsibly deciding to continue rather than make a fuel stop. Their appalling corner-cutting decision making disregarded all safety dynamics and was purely financially motivated, including their deceitful fraudulent filed flight plans and poor scheduling.
Irrespective of the destination airport's closing time, which is simply poor schedule planning on the charter operator’s part, they ought to have planned for a refuelling tech stop and advised an earlier departure time to cover both the potential tech stop and arrival well within the destination airport’s operational restrictions when negotiating the timetable for the charter.
Too many accidents have occurred over the years with charter operators due to competitive bidding, dodgy operational practices and involvement of company owners/co-owners holding a pilot’s license but not endorsed on type being operated, yet irrespectively demanding on being a part of the operating crew, usually for reasons of vanity or in pursuit of benefits.
Consequently the CRM dynamics are completely annihilated with F/O (un-endorsed owner) holding the advantage over an enormously steep flight deck management/decision making gradient.
Unacceptably although understandably with some less assertive personality types or with dependence on employment, career progression or accumulation of flight hours, they are unwilling to affirm their authority and position as PIC despite carrying the responsibility, as evidenced by even agreeing to accept an unqualified F/O devoid of appropriate endorsements and experience on type.
I often wonder - do they even consider a pilot incapacitation scenario or similar requiring the unqualified F/O taking sole control?!
This wasn't an accident but a display of pathetic piloting and gambling and in the end, when it all looked to go belly up, still not having the decency to admit your mistakes and immediately declare an emergency. They probably would have made it, just, if they had had a direct route to the airport without holding pattern, etc.
With the mentality of this captain and co pilot, this was clearly an accident waiting to happen. Shame on them!!
The first officer was a total puppy. Unwilling to even question the captain's words. I'd be like, yo..
Controller should have just told them, "your lack of planning is not my emergency."
Note: That airline was not brazilian, neither these pilots. Only the passengers.
In those countries
"Ain't got no gas innit"
Why would anyone even TRY to run a plane on fumes?
Air crash over Chicago
A plane should never run out of fuel on a flight.
I caste my mind back to the 50s, manchester united crash
Its 2022 and they still cant afford hard drives with more than 256mb total, shouldnt it be possible to record everything that happens in the plane for atleast a year at this point of time?
They use special drives that are impact resistant. A normal computer hard drive would self destruct if you dropped it off your desk, so it wouldn't last through an accident.
It was an Avro RJ (Regional Jet) actually, a development of the Hawker Siddeley (HS) 146.
Whoever encountered the difficulties of a landing in South American countries will understand the enormous stress of the crew.
Land and refuel - pay the fuel with credit card. How to get to the counter to pay the fees? Call the tower to let somebody open a door. A portion can be payed cash with dollars. Another portion must be payed cash in pesos. Immigrate to convert some dollars to pesos at a bank. A long queue in front of the banks counter.
Convert some dollars to pesos. Immigration again to get to the office. Pay everything now.
Delay the flight plan accordingly. In the meantime three hours elapsed. Time is getting critical because the airport of final destination might close. Venezuela does not permit overflight.
Make a trick in the flight plan to circumnavigate Venezuela.
The wether on the route is stormy. Landing in Aruba ten minutes before closing.
Idiot procedures of some countries contribute to such incidents !
Oh come on! Don’t compare Venezuela with another south american country. Venezuela it’s a failed state
Just plain " MONKEY BUSINESS " !
Correction: 3 players survived
Mentor pilot is a very good aviation experienced pilot.
And very experienced in analysing air disasters.
The co-pilot is a co-owner???? How much is this airline worth?
That's Brazil's most famous Plane Crash, but people often forget about Brazil's most deadly plane crash which is also the deadliest plane crash in latin american history.
TAM (now LATAM) Flight 3054 killed 199 people on July 17th 2007 after the plane wasn't able to slow down at the runway and started going left, eventually the plane hit a building owned by the same company that owned that plane (TAM) which killed not only the 187 passengers but also 12 people inside that building
It was hell. a reporter managed to record the plane engulfed in flames just a few mins after it crashed and holy damn, it was just fire and more fire
there was 187 dead burning corpses inside that plane
They should of whent Brazil would be enough fuel when on feul reaserv they should said it before hand when lights whent on priority clear taxi for ran way for landing emergency not enough feul.
12:57 to front...: Co-Pilot 9.000 thousand feet..., VECTORS, VECTORS!.!.!.!.!/ ATC: You are 8.2 milles of distance to the runway/ Co-Pilot: Jesus!/ ATC: How are you altitude now?... Lima Mike India 2933 Position?!?!?!?!?!
And then, the air traffic controller ( Ms. Yanet Molina) burst into tears. I saw her interview the other day and she also wrote a book about that experience. We have to remember that at first, she was spotted as a guilty.
@@dianam.agudelo3066así es amiguis
Who is to blame
You actually owned a part of this company and you don't know that you cannot make this distance without a refuel? And there is no advance planning to do this and this from a "professional" airline??
Unbelievable? Unbelievable?
What a waste, just Unbelievable again!!
1:18
Captain going down with the ship? How about company owner going down with the ship. Jesus Christ...
Is this flight crew responsible for paying the cost of fuel?
Why would ANYONE risk it for a biscuit?
Piss-poor flight management - full stop.
Probably just very cheap airline and got greedy trying to save money. One of the pilots was the owner of the airline so go figure 🤷🏽♂️
Apparently Bolivian airport have being pay to approved the flight
Who flies without enough fuel?
Guess Bolivian Air Force doesn’t require basic math skills.
Are you kidding me-??? "The pilots fell they have JUST ABOUT enough fuel to make it"-???!!! Its not like your driving a car and run out of fuel on the side of the damn road-!!! This whole thing was bound to happen if not this day another day for sure considering the planes fuel capacity. "Rules, we dont need no rules-!! "Hold over Gimli" ??? Oh Brother-!!!
14:04 Wow those look like some HARD ASS motherf--rs
Definite typo on that tail. Es de mierda!
Forza Chape❤️😞
Why are there special considerations for the football players? I thought all lives are equally precious and important.
Some Mothers do 'ave 'em .
It’s hard to believe these two clowns were former Air Force pilots.
/In the Newtonian World
That’s the problem!
It’s t hard to believe. Monsters.
Couple of amateurs. Never should’ve been in the cockpit
Lesson learned: don't play video games.
Getthereitis. Don't do it.
Hell Yeah hehe
Ever noticed these small planes causing more accidents and death than the big ones. Why?
I wouldnt call a plane carrying 80 people a small plane.
@@nickv4073 Nor would I. Perhaps she is referring to GA, those planes carrying two or four people.
@@sludge4125 but most GA planes fly slower and can land almost everywhere. So a total engine failure wouldnt be as bad as a total engine failure in an airliner.
@@redblade8160 thanks
@@redblade8160 What you say is so wrong!!
I think here will be a lot of brazilian comments but no, lol
Do you talk to your mates at the pub with that voice ?
Third world country attitude?
What you mean mr racist?