What Fenty Skin Taught Us About The Skincare Community ✖ James Welsh
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It's been a week or so since Rihanna's Fenty skin launched. And as soon as the reviews were posted, the conversations about fragrance, sponsored skincare reviews, celebrity bias and even more controversial ingredients started.
Today i want to chat about what was most prevalent to me and what we can learn from the launch and reactions to Fenty skin.
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This video isnt targeted at anyone. some of the comments have said im calling out people but i'm not...otherwise there would be names in this video! As most have said, i've admitted my biases in this video. But thats after listening and reading from a range of experts in the industry. Cross referencing their facts and opinions with others. And now I feel comfortable trusting the experts advice that I follow. I'm not saying, pick a side because the other side is shady as f*ck. What i'm saying from a consumer perspective, is when we have all these experts disagreeing on the same subject whilst both presenting evidence of the science behind what they believe to be true, its hard for us to know what the right answer is!
I am in no way 'calling out' any dermatologist or expert because that is of course not my place. I thought I was being clear by saying that these are the people we should be listening too and respecting their opinions.
I think something I said is being misinterpreted! I wasn’t comparing fragrance allergy to parabens. I was suggesting that both parabens and fragrance have the same amount of misinformation surrounding them and potential fear mongering.
Also, this isn’t throwing shade at anyone. I’m literally talking about how we should and need to respect everyone’s opinions!
This video isn’t exclusively about fragrance.
Please watch the video before expressing your views and opinions so we can understand each other and have a proper conversation ☺️❤️
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I am on the side of fragrant is okay but please make available to those who can't use fragrance in their skin care if that makes sense 🤎🖤
I’m ok with Fragrance I use it as aromatherapy calming refreshing etc etc! But also I’m ok with no fragrance I sometimes don’t fancy it... but then I have very good skin.
Also I understand about people who doesn’t like it, but few of us likes it and use it in a beneficial way, that’s why is a wide market?
I don’t know, as James said nothing is black and white!
Fragrance never really bothered me and at 55 if it didn’t bother me when I was younger not likely it will now 😊
James Welsh the products you were using in this video can you link them in the comments?
As a biochemist, I really appreciated that you addressed the fact that some people with no educational background in science try to invalidate individuals with several scientific degrees. It's really the most frustrating thing especially considering that the scientific terms and formats in published papers are usually not easily interpreted by someone unfamiliar with the field. There are just too many variables and limitations.
Yes !!
Literally the problem with anti Vaxers 💀
This isn't just with the skincare community. It's literally applicable in every field. Most of the time it's because they have ginormous ego. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. As a desi kid, I've been dealing with this since I was a baby. Still haven't changed.
Agreed! My sister has super sensitive skin and when I told her she might want to stop fragrant skin care she thought nothing of it since our mom is fine using stuff like that. Everyone’s skin is different and we should get to know it so we can see what works best for us.
definitely! love how hes honest and his delivery of his opinion.
People just straight up learn one thing about skincare and then act like they deserve a Nobel prize in chemistry.
Totally agree. Like it’s not the right opinion just because it’s the first opinion you hear.
Uh if you go to the dermatologist they prescribe you fragrance free products.... Even the professionals are against fragrance... shouldn't we listen to professionals over celebs?? Also being an informed consumer is something we should encourage in people not mock. I think people are being salty about the criticisms of this line because 1, people Stan Rihanna to a ridiculous degree and 2, they think people talking shit on the internet invalidates their love of their fav fruity face scub... Which is dumb, scrub away no one is stopping you...
@@oooo4412 I agree that people should learn, but people tend to be over confident in their knowledge. My point was to say that people assume they understand the science of skincare much better than they really do.
I've been saying this for a while... nowadays people think they are dermatologists because they saw something on internet. If you watch one of those Vogue videos about celebrity skincare routine you will see A THOUSAND of these people.
YES, this!! Thank you. This had to be said.
"Google gives you what you want to see" 🖤 I wish more people were aware of this fact.
Thank you!! 😭🥱🧐👀
Google is also bias. It usually gives you what you want to see if that is what you have been googling.
This is why everybody been paranoid of everything
Unless you look up statistics, definitions, history from credible sources.
@@eric0556fully agree whit you. Just like that more and more products are canceres at ones. Whe cant juse anything anymore seems like it. I juse products were my skin reacts good of. And that my skin needs(i think because my skin has come along way). But i dont know if what i do is the right way. But it is for me
As someone who has a Biology degree, THANK YOU. We spend SO much time analyzing articles and have learned how to understand and dissect scientific articles to fully grasp everything they're telling us but also looking at EVERYTHING regarding a topic so we get all sides of the "story." It drives me NUTS when people say "Well if you did a simple Google search, you'd see why you're wrong" like NO KAREN that's confirmation bias...
That part! I know only scientific "peer reviewed " research! I hate Wikipedia it's messed up the world!
Omg yesss!!! As someone who is still doing my bio major I 100% agree. People who don’t have any science background generally don’t know how to read or fully understand scientific research/ articles.
Yaziri Cruz I have a B.S, B.A. and a M.S in Psychology. I am currently enrolled in a M.P.A program ,and I know about research and sometimes the things I hear blow my mind. I would never give those facts without the "scientific articles" to back them up. Opinions are fine but when people latch on to them and believe them it's a problem. I'm 46 what did we do before you tube😩 decide for ourselves what products we liked. 🤷🏽♀️ I love James he is very unproblematic.
Texas Chick76543 that’s impressive! I’ve done some psychology research papers in my psychology classes and they do teach about doing good research. The language different though. But yea people were taking everything to heart about the whole fragrance thing which was so dumb. People should just do what works for them. I love James!
Yaziri Cruz I agree 💯!! Yes ma'am!!! You know how to read and analyze research and you're a biology major that's a hard discipline. Kudos to you!!! Facts mean everything to us in our fields.💖❤️
I litteraly did a meta-analysis in uni on parabens and their connection to breast cancer, based on all available research. There is no significant connection, that's it, i don't know where these people get their information.
Everything’s a conspiracy....
Marijana Iljic Exactly!
They get their info from Goop idk
TheAudJob the goop troop
That makes me wonder about the aluminum/deodorant connection to breast cancer. Maybe that isn’t true either but I never really looked into it.
I have a saying when it comes to interpreting ingredients, "You can't read a recipe and determine what the final product will be or taste."
I like a little fragrance, it doesn't bother me at all. With that said, I'm not purchasing any Fenty skin, and I LOVE Rhianna. I have a set routine. I don't sway easily solely because it's new or by loved by an influencer. I research my skincare and will purchase based on need/replenishment.
I love that saying about the recipe! So true. Like when 2 products share almost all the same ingredients but they feel and perform quite differently. It's all about the formulation.
I am with you!! I will try a new cleanser, face mask, moisturizer, and maybe an eye cream. But my other skincare works for me and I am set.
Thank you! I’m not NOT buying Fenty skin for what’s in it, I’m not buying it for what’s NOT in it. I have I look for certain kinds of cleansers, toners, essences, serums, moisturizers and sunscreens and these three don’t fit any kind of product I use now. Simple as that
Well said . I already have what’s working for
me and I’m not going to let just anyone take what I’m comfortable with .
This happens constantly in every profession. I’ve been in insurance for years, I’m licensed in half the country and handled claims, injuries, damages, repairs, etc. people CONSTANTLY tell me I’m wrong about everything when I’m literally stating facts. These people have never seen a claim or worked in the industry.. ever. It’s a pain in the ass.
"people think that negative reviews are more truthful" damnnn this is so real
Any ingredient can trigger somebody's skin. Niacinamide can trigger a lot of people. But for those who don't get triggered it can be so so helpful. No ingredient works the same on everyone's skin so there's really no point in demonizing ingredients!!😷
The difference in fragnance is that it isn't needed and is not beneficial for the skin so why use it in skincare? Niacinamid aha bha and active ingredients have benefits for skin so it's ok that they are used even though they could potentially be irritating.
@@daiyki that's what I dislike the most About fragrance. I don't mind the smell or anything but skincare is about the skin and not about the smell. If I want to smell good I put on perfume, but not on my face!
@@daiyki Full on agree! If there is a product without fragrance that does the same thing, I'll always opt for that one. Why even take the risk and add a useless ingredient on your skin?
Fragrance can be beneficial for those who want their skincare routine to be relaxing and calming. Skincare should be functional yes, but if your every day skincare ritual has more than functionality as its meaning for it then why not?
Fragrance is like dessert. You don't need it. Your body has absolutely no use for it, except the wonderful sweet taste. But that doesn't mean it's wrong to eat dessert. If your body is fine with eating dessert then you can have it. If your body doesn't process sugars well then don't have it.
And I'm saying this as someone whose skincare routine is majorly fragrance and essential oil free
Shivika Narang i agree it has mental health benefits but for actual skin, it doesn’t so it is still different to your example of niacinamide - that’s why i wish more products had fragrance free options for those who’d rather not risk it or don’t get any sensory benefits from it, so i agree but that’s why people are saying that, not because it literally has zero benefits (which it does for the skin itself, but outside that, there are some), love the example about dessert though, it’s very true!
James is literally everything a skincare “guru” or “influencer” should be. I love this channel. James is so right! Let the skincare experts and specialists break down the research for us. The targeted audience of papers published in journals is other experts in the field, not the general public so just listen to James’ thoughts in this video! It’s incredibly disrespectful for anyone who has not academically studied the field (any field for that matter) through some academic institution to in any way suggest that their (uneducated) opinion is fact and that all other stances (including those of experts!!) are wrong, let alone discount what the experts are saying! I’m sorry but is that your life’s work? Is that your specialization? Uh nope. That’s precisely how people start to wholeheartedly believe in things that have no valid supporting data. This is all not to say that experts are always right but they sure are a lot more likely to be right (regarding the topic) than most people reading this comment are. It’s like a layman calling out a physics PhD on being wrong about their conclusions in one of their peer-reviewed articles that is published in a reputable and well-known journal and claiming that they are wrong and you, the layman, are right and that somehow your opinion proves that they are wrong. Like how?? (This is coming from a proud member of the general public lol). Love the video!
Yes this!! There is so much misinformation out in the world that people cling to with their dear lives and I think it’s all a result of fear mongering. y’all just watch lab muffin and you’ll learn correlation does not equal causation😩
Exactly, stop listening to most of these RUclips "Experts"
I only listen to Dr dray, Dr Stefani keppel And labskincare muffin, Dr Davin and some derm from ig etc. The rest of 'influencer' are just bs. They are not trained they are just bs. Hahaha Hahab
Hm I am confused. You say that we should truste experts only. Where is he an expert? He knows a lot but he is NOT a dermatologist (I think?)
Marie Marie I’m saying listen to him in this video in his thoughts regarding the experts and professionals I’m not saying to listen to take his skincare advice as fact and as what would work best for you (although I personally find his advice very applicable to me and my skin). I’m so happy he is discussing this and taking part in the conversation since awareness of the issues at hand is sometimes all it takes for someone to start looking into things and question things. We’ve gotta doubt things and people that may seem fishy to find the facts and whatever accepted knowledge and valid data there really is on the topic. We doubt for our safety as humans but when you start to doubt experts that simplify and clarify data that is above our specialization levels and start to believe the “facts” the unqualified are saying, misinformation is spread which can have horrible consequences. He is not an expert and he says that repeatedly (as many many other influencers should). I take his advice with caution but at the same time happen to agree with his opinions. I’m not saying to trust him about everything, I’m just saying listen to his bringing awareness to the issue in order to better form your own opinions on the situation. As with everything, you cannot just listen to one side of something and take that as fact. To make informed decisions and opinions you have to take all arguments into account. He did a great job of making this one.
As a pharmacist (formulation of medicinal products is our bag but some of the principles/technique can be applied to skincare) I loved your take! It is frustrating to see those who have studied for literally years be attacked by people who have their knowledge from a reddit thread or google search. Of course these sources can be beneficial for allowing people to get clued up on skincare for their individual needs but the professionals can understand the bigger picture and draw the overarching conclusions. Love your content 💖💖
Biotechnologist here, I’ve been watching your channel for a while and you’re honestly very good! Other influencers have been so against fragrance and were suddenly Ok and it came off as disingenuous, but you honestly do such a good job from the very beginning! Stay this way forever ❤️
I really learned a lesson when I used skincare with ”natural fragrance” (essential oils) that just freaked my skin out. ”Bad” normal fragrance my skin often can handle. ITS ALL ABOUT FORMULATION. And ALL SKIN IS DIFFERENT. Just listen to your skin and you will be ok.
I actually read once from a scientist with a degree that essential oils are actually beneficial for the skin but they need to be used in a very small amount as they are pretty concentrated. She also said that essential oils being "bad" for the skin is a really bad myth.
Yah exactly! Some people would be like “911 this contains fragrance u need to boycott this brand and sue them!!” But everyone reacts to stuff differently and those who formulate the product probably knows what they’re doing! On the other hand, I do TRY to avoid “fragrance/parfum” because it is a mystery concoction which they don’t need to show what’s in it.. but heck most of my makeup has “fragrance/parfum”, linalool, gerandiol, etc.... XD
@Kimia Keshavare she said that it irritates the skin because it's concentrated, no one said it's better than others either. I also said essential oils only,Do you have a degree or just saying what you hear from non-experts? smh
Gigi Hadid Egypt Yah idk who came up with essential oils being a myth. Heck we use diffusers for essential rose!!
Hi Bye Breathing it in is different.
Even the experts themselves have different approaches and views about certain ingredients,methods etc. you can go to two different dermatologists about the same issue they will treat it differently. I really don’t get all these people that take it sooo personally, there are always two sides to a coin, try to listen to both of them.
"People want to hate on stuff ". This is it exactly. Negative people are going to bring their negative energy and drama wherever they go. And they go to comments sections a lot.
Ummm, the walnuts or whatever nut in her skin care are dangerous for your skin tho. I think the biggest problem with Kylie's is her goofy video of her "using" the products. Girl didn't even wash her forehead. 😭😭😂
F.R. F
To be fair Fenty products are simple but work kind of thing while kylie products are simple but irritating, both lines irritate certain people (fragrance in fenty and other irritants in kylie) i wouldn’t say they’re equal...plus people like to hate on them cause they do kind of messed up stuff?? lmao??
THIS lol if you go on Trendmood’s page and just look at the comment section, there’s literally hate EVERYWHERE on almost all the products being posted. People are never pleased with anything and they will always find something to pick on. If the product doesn’t interest you, move along. But nah everyone’s gotta be keyboard warriors and just bring on all the negativity.
F.R. F So I do wanna say one thing. Yes, Kylie did get a lot of unnecessary hate when she released her line, but overall, I think Fenty Skin is better from an ingredient standpoint. Kylie Skin definitely isn’t a horrible brand, but I do feel as if her ingredients are comparable to a lot of drugstore products. I think the reason why people prefer Fenty Skin over Kylie Skin is because of the ingredients. Fenty contains fragrance and a lot of Kylie’s products contain fragrance, but Rihanna incorporated a lot of very innovative ingredients in her line and had creative ideas, while Kylie’s line wasn’t as innovative and a lot of the good ingredients it promoted ended up being very low on the ingredient list. People shouldn’t be biased because it’s Rihanna, but I think that’s why people like Fenty more overall. But I felt so bad for Kylie when her line was released, people were attacking her.
This reminds me of when that influencer positively reviewed a Kylie product and everybody took the piss accusing her of sucking up to Kylie to get on the PR list, a little while later the same influencer reviewed another Kylie product but negatively this time and the same people accusing her of sucking up to Kylie accused her of sucking up to them. I found it so petty.
Edit: I think they were saying that she was angry that she was taken off the PR list as well. And in all the comments on that video they're basically makeup shaming and bullying her?? So gross
It was nicole concilio :)
Nicole Concilio does “glowing” reviews to everything though, Lol. She has people coming at her for sucking up to companies since ancient times, and not just now that’s trendy to hate on everything.
But for consumers, it’s hard not to be bias with Kylie products cause they’re so cheaply made that is very likely her skincare products are just garbage. I mean, it’s just safe to assume 🤷🏻♀️
@@roselynmvm but were the comments on those videos insulting her makeup really necessary?
James, I just need to tell you this: thanks to you I tried to get my hands on a Korean sunscreen (not an easy task in Germany) and finally succeeded. My Purito Centella Green Level sunscreen arrived yesterday. I opted for the unscented version and I’m so grateful it exists because I am one of those whose skin reacts very angrily to fragrance. So I’ve been using it yesterday and today and MY GOD I’m blown away! This sunscreen is a total gamechanger for me. I have struggled forever with finding a sunscreen my very drama-queen-like skin would tolerate! I always broke out, had allergic reactions, burning and itching sensations and the greasy, sticky feeling drove me insane! But THIS one? OMG, it is EVERYTHING! So nice on the skin, so moisturizing, so not there when sunken in. I lovelovelove it and I found it thanks to you! Thank you so much! You changed my sunscreen life! 🌸
Sina Wonderful I love this sunscreen too!!
Where did you get it? I'm from Denmark myself, and I've been trying to find this sunscreen on multiple websites -- but the ones that ship to Europe seem to have extremely high shipping costs due to the pandemic.
Anna Ekner Hey Anna, I found it on Douglas.de which I believe is a German only chain. I don’t know if they ship to Denmark but maybe you are lucky. Itnis so worth it!
@Sina Wonderful Thanks a lot! It looks as if Yesstyle just started shipping to Europe again with the usual shipping costs.
I've been using the Purito Water Comfy sunscreen up until now, but for some reason it pills on my skin (perhaps it reacts to another product in my skincare routine). Hoping the Centella Green Level sunscreen will be equally as good, but with no pilling!
@@annaekner5664 i'm in Bolivia and i bought it from YesStyle.com and i think they do ship to Denmark. They have the Purito and the Klairs sunscreens. No brand ships to Bolivia, so if they do, they must certainly can ship to Europe 😆 Hope it works for you!
Honestly, when it came to Fenty Skin, I got on board not because it was specifically Rihanna, but because it was a black woman's skincare line *shrug*. I, a black woman, like to support other black people & wanted to buy & try her products. I'm all about trying stuff when it comes to skincare anyway.
This exactly 💛
I love how it’s specifically formulated for Black skin AND the line has a SPF.
Fenty is not black owned. However, I get your point ❤️
@@fifir7010 it's half black owned, from a business stand point Rihanna was smart to get another business partner. He owns sephora and can be a great financial backer, that's just smart. It allowed her to come out with 40 shades and have better reach to be easily accessible. I dont understand why people try to say fenty isn't rihannas brand.
Bobbi Obanion despite it being a good business move it’s still not black owned. We obviously have two very different definitions of black owned. I’m not knocking Rihanna all I’m saying is that it is not black owned. It’s important to me as a black women to stay informed about companies I purchase from.
“You can’t review a product by just looking at the ingredient list” THANK YOU!!!!
The product can't truly be reviewed without the information on texture, feel and experience, however in my humble opinion, ingredients don't lie! I also do acknowledge that it's truly subjective (due to different skin types and skin conditions)
And sometimes, certain products are overpriced for the ingredients they offer (La Mer, GA, Lancôme, etc)
Edit: Certain people have sensitivities - For instance, cannot use or ingest salicylates (due to allergies), hence I avoid everything with salicylic acid even though everyone raves about SA! Yes, it is definitely a bias, but if a product doesn't deliver the ingredients I want, I probably won't buy it :)
Narayanan Priya formulation doesn’t lie too!! Like most in life, you have to consider both sides and if you solely look at ingredients - your biased.
Yea you can
Quote this!
Then why have so many skincare influencers been doing EXACTLY that for years? Where was this quote from James then?
The fearmongering is out of control. Thank you for calling it out. The formula is everything.
The points he made about Gwenyth paltrow and fear-mongering too 👌
The tent part actually had me laughing out loud, and that’s rare from me.
Because skin is SO personal it’s important as a skincare “influencer” (what a word 🙄) I try to empower people to just make up their own mind. I do agree it’s difficult to “grasp” some of the white paper research info (even as someone who tries-but I’m not a chemist or formulator) It isn’t black and white.
I definitely have an opinion as an “enthusiast” and then what I have learned as an esthetician....they aren’t always the same 😬.
I love this video, thank you for the conversation!
PENN.SMITH.SKINCARE LLC yes to all of this!!! your videos are so well thought out x
lola 💜💜💜!!
I believe I watch skincare "informers" rather than "influencers": you, James, and a handful of others, because you all DO empower us to make up our own minds. We're each our own lab, doing our own experiments. Our results? Anecdotal, yes, but our OWN anecdotes, that we live with and learn from in the most real way. Your own mind, your own skin, is the only real validation that matters.
"If you are a person who gets so offended about people not liking skin care you need to go buy a tent, pitch it in the woods somewhere and you need to have a serious think about what kind of person you are" 😂😂😂😂 💯
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There are many issues about this skin care. People claim that some reviews are bias but I think maybe this product is good.
The whole line is affordable and targets a certain demographic/population if it's not your thing don't buy it. I will probably buy the sunscreen and cleanser just to support her. I may not use it, because I have others but it will get used. I swear the pandemic hit and we are a cancel culture now but can't get out and vote.
@@TexasChick-pq3dl I like the line. If you find the moisturizer too fragrant for your face, use it on your body. It's what I do and I LOVE IT! Your skin feels sooo smooth and soft, is SPF protected when you wear skin bearing summer clothes, and you smell great! Not to mention that same dewy glow on your face is now all over your body too! Love it!
Phly Gerl wow!!! never thought about wearing it like that🥳🌟🌟🌟😊😊. Thanks for this wonderful nugget, I will do just that!💖💖🥰
I posted this on Hyram's video and thought it might be useful for some people here as well. I’m a cosmetic product developer (not a marketer), and I have this much to say about fragrance in skincare. Often times, actually most of the times, fragrance are not added for the experiential aspect, but rather to keep the consumers compliant in the product usage. We often forget, the online skincare community bubble is only a tiny fraction of the overall skincare consumers, and for an average person who wants to buy a moisturiser, they’re simply more likely to keep up the proper usage of the product if it smells nice, believe me, I’ve been doing this for a long time. When you develop a product and runs a trial or a study, the results you get are heavily reliant on the proper usage (usually once or twice daily), so if you want to claim these results or benefits for the product, you need to develop the product in a way that ensures compliance, I know it might sound crazy to some of y’all but it’s actually the responsible thing to do from a product developer’s standpoint. Obv there’s also the element of positioning, Paula’s Choice is going to be all fragrance-free bc their whole schtick is “everything is bad for you and you need to avoid everything”, therefore the targeted consumer base is specific. Fenty’s targeted consumer base is a lot less niche so the products have to appeal to a much larger audience. As for the potential to develop an allergy to fragrance, well there’s a reason why we say “potential”, bc it’s only a possibility, a low one btw. You can “potentially” develop an allergy to almost ANYTHING, preservatives, penetration enhancers, ph adjusters, chelating agents, even surfactants, all of which serve important purposes in cosmetic products. It’s simply an inaccurate statement to say fragrance is somehow more dangerous than these ingredients, there is simply no data to support that. I’m not here to defend anyone or push fragranced products onto people, if you don’t like them for whatever reason, stay away, you have every right. I’m simply saying there is a lot more nuances to the debate on fragrance and its role in cosmetics.
This is why I go straight to Dr. Dray...no ambiguity and cuts all the bs in skincare. It's mind blowing how we listen to "influencers" more than a physician who is licensed and clinically trained in skin anatomy and physiology. While I'm certainly open to listening to everyone's feedback you can't turn a blind eye to data and fact-checked research. I'm glad you opened the conversation!
So basicallyyyy...
-know where your lane starts and ends, and stay in it
-know when a degree or profession likely outranks the expertise of your lane
-know how to google things
-know when your anger may be disproportionate
And finally:
-know when you're being a karen
Didn't get a notification but I'm still early, because I'm always just on James and Roberts channels browsing 😂
Same 😂😂
Same🤎
Emily Maxwell someone kept talking about Robert welsh today and I couldn’t understand why they were calling James, Robert lolol. Now I know m, and can you tell I’m new here lol
@@natalie5707 they do a podcast together called the double cleanse it's really good but sometimes I find it hard to differentiate between who's talking, and I've been here a looooong time so I wouldn't worry about being confused 😂
I am here for this message! Truly, you'll find so many dermatologists and other skin care experts and enthusiasts how agree and disagree on so many points, people REALLY need to test things out for themselves or trust people know their own skin. I don't mind some fragrance in products - it improves the experience for some products. I find some hero ingredients, such as rice ferments, do nothing for me.
There are few truly "bad" products but what is bad for me may not be bad for you and that's okay!
I feel like this can be applied to lots of scientific topics that have ‘controversy’ around them like vaccines etc
Yeah 100%
They should teach this sort of critical thinking in schools
There is no controversy in the scientific community over vaccines though...
But yes, people should learn critical thinking skills and how to think for themselves.
Love this. I don't wash my face very often. People are always in my business telling me it's gonna cause acne and ruin my skin. I'm 40 and I look like I'm in my 20s... People compliment my skin alllllll the time. I've been doing this minimalist routine for 15+ years. My mom does the same. Everyone is unique and what our skin likes is unique too. My routine WOULD probably ruin someone else's skin.
Fragrance doesn't bother me at all, and I love a good fragrance cuz it adds luxury to the process. But that's just me. 🤷🏿♀️
It's def this for me, during certain times of the year, if i wash my face, I break out more and other times I need to
My skin doesn’t care about fragrance, but my Fibromyalgia does - most scents will trigger nausea, migraines and sensory overload. I’ve not identified a specific ingredient, it seems to be more about the type of smell. I’m sometimes okay with subtle coconut or herbals but rose and white florals screw me up, and on a bad day the tiniest thing can be a trigger even when it was fine the day before. So I’m always glad when brands do fragrance free options.
I suspect part of what upsets many people is that they feel excluded by the brand. Especially when it’s something that can be related to larger medical issues for many people. Not considering the genuine needs (not just wants) of potential customers will inevitably look worse on a brand that’s big on inclusivity than on one that has never given a crap, simply because our expectations are higher.
Quite why you would be furious about *someone else* using something you can’t/choose not to use is beyond me. It’s like being angry that someone is eating Brussels sprouts, just because you think they’re green balls of yuck 🤢
I feel like overreactions to everyone and everything has been absolutely rife this year. I think people are just restless from all of the quarantining as their energy isn't being spent elsewhere as usual. 2020 is weird.. 🤔
Oh and my facial skin hates fragrance of all kinds so I'm not the biggest fan whenever fragrance is included in skincare and makeup but I've come to terms with it. It saves me a lot of money because my selection is limited. If Rihanna wants to put fragrance in her skincare line - why shouldn't she be able to? It *is* her line after all. If it doesn't agree with your skin - move along. There's so much more skincare to choose from nowadays so no one needs her specific products. That's my 2 cents.
But I love your rationality and perspective on things, James 💜🖤
Well a lot have people a sensitivity to fragrance. And a lot really love Rihanna and wanna support her. Simply by saying buy something or there's a ton of other products you're limiting the potential of her skincare line and the availability to everybody, plus she's not making this line for herself but for other people so even if her skin doesn't mind fragrance other people's might
@@lilah111 her makeup is full of fragrance as well which sits and absorbs into your skin as you're wearing it so I'm not sure why people are so surprised her skincare line is also fragranced. Sure, it sucks that a portion of her fans cannot use her skincare and ideally she would have ommitted the inclusion of it but fragrance always seemed to be a common ingredient within her product range so why are people only now bothered by it?
I just see this trend of people being very upset over every little thing this year more than ever before and I don't believe it to be a coincidence. I think people are just uh.. bored. 2020 is a strange, eventful, yet boring year.
I do too. I hope she just comes out with a fragrance free line. I would love to be able to support her brand, but I am not going to buy something that negatively affects my skin. Love Jame’s perspective. And the line was for BIPOC so it’s great that we are seeing more representation. I also love the reusable packaging. Hope to see more of that from others in the future 🙌🏼
@@lilah111 I'm sure she made a calculated decision on whether or not to include fragrance. She chose to. End of story. If she loses money over it, that is on her. Again, if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. If you want a skincare line that caters to every single skin type out there, it doesn't exist. Accept it and move on.
@@ellax325 it was just a suggestion on how she could improve her skin care line. I know there's no skincare line out there that caters to every skin type but if someone wants to improve the line and cater it to more people they could try and make it fragrance free
I absolutely love watching James, and I do watch Hyram from time to time. And both of them have given me great tips to help me with my skin... But I think it is extremely important to remember that they BOTH are not licensed, certified or have any real education in skincare. And you should always verify the information being given with someone who is truly educated in skincare before taking it seriously. While I absolutely love that Hyram is making more people, especially young people, aware of the fact that they need to take good care of their skin now before it is too late, a lot of people also have put him up on this pedestal. And they take what he is saying as the end all be all when it is sometimes not correct, especially for people that don't have the same skin type as he does. For instance, I have really dry skin, so the majority of the products he likes, or doesn't like, because of how they effect his skin do the exact opposite for me. Again, I think he has been a huge blessing to the skincare community overall, but it is so important to do further research when it comes to your particular skincare.
Also, this does not just happen in skincare. It is especially bad in the makeup industry. There are RUclips and IG Beauty Gurus that teach makeup skills that are really only good for being in front of a camera and many still use filters. Then they claim the products they are using are doing what the filters are really doing. And they have millions of followers who swear by their techniques and the products they push, but then wonder why their makeup looks like total shit in real life. Than you have the real makeup artist (who are actually active and even do celebrity's makeup) who don't use crazy filters, don't show a million different products in one video just to try to sell them, and teach amazing skills that actually make your makeup look fantastic in real life and they don't have nearly as many followers.
Thank you. Calling oneself an expert doesn't make it so. After all, what is an expert in a field really mean?
The makeup part is so true and I have even seen hate towards makeup artists (the real ones). I saw some comments in one Bobbi brown’s video, I don’t even remember anymore what video it was, people hating on her because the makeup look she did “didn’t have any coverage” (it actually did, it only wasn’t heavy duty drag queen-alike like those infamous beauty gurus makeup-looks) it was “only meant for models who have perfect skin and are pretty”. The makeup she did wasn’t even natural it just wasn’t cake. For me it was crazy to see random people on internet hating on someone just because of the way she did makeup (it’s just makeup), especially someone who has been a makeup artist for a lifetime, made billions and made her name worldwide but hey.. no one can with internet experts lol
Mar Teumar I watched thats masterclass ! Everyone was upset Bobbi didn’t do full coverage ... as if she isn’t the queen of your skin but better ! The comment section was trash . Like everyday and technique Bobbi is it , when you want to look good without heavy lights . I literally put “ Scott Barnes, would be better for everyone who wants full coverage . You can’t go to Pizza Hut expecting burgers 🤦🏾♀️
Can you give some examples of make-up artists you follow? I’m not into the “full-coverage instagram beauty gurus” and need some proper make-up artists to follow but they seem to be hard to find.
Jasmyne Winterstar Hi I would suggest Haley Kim, Lisa Eldridge, Hindash, Hung Vanngo just to name a few and if you just want to do your eyes (bold) with no foundation jkissa is a gem and they can all be found on RUclips :) hung just started his channel. If anymore cross my mind I’ll add them
I studied immunology for my degree and I can tell you that factually you can develop an intolerance to anything LITERALLY ANYTHING, any foods you eat, products you use on your skin/scalp/body etc, so that argument against fragrance is invalid. For example, you could eat tomatoes every single day and develop an intolerance to them after 50 years (so in that case, they have not harmed you in any way until the day your allergy develops), you could also eat tomatoes just once in your life and develop an intolerance to them. So by that “logic” we shouldn’t eat anything because we may develop an allergy to it! Fragrance works the same way on the skin. People with sensitive skin will of course have a higher chance of developing a fragrance allergy but people with normal skin need not worry :) edit: I don’t recommend you use products which contain any of the 26 proven fragrances to cause irritation (please google them) they are the fragrances you need to watch out for! Even if you have normal skin!
My husband developed a banana allergy in his 20's I find our changes as we age so interesting!
As a doctor I confirm your comment
oh sehun omg your username, EXO-L 💖
oh, what is the purpose of fragrance in skincare? does it help the skin?
But how do you know if you can develop allergic reaction to something? I think I must've removed so many fragrances from my routine including things that may have worked for me in the past.
The thing here was that usually, we hear "this has fragrance, I wish it didn't" from influencers. But with Fenty, we heard "this has fragrance, but that's ok and not an issue". It's a double standard.
Yeah i get that. I personally think it could be because, not long before Fenty was released, a lot of cosmetics chemists and scientists were quite vocal about their opinions on fragrance, over on instagram. So people may have just learnt something new
YEP. CRICKETS FROM THESE FAKE check chasing INFLUENCERS. (Not that there's anything wrong with chasing a check)
As someone with seb derm, using fragrance burns my skin so badly when I’m flaring up. I’m glad people are avoiding fragrance since it incentivizes more brands to consider fragrance free options.
Same.
I think options is the key word here, I feel like we need more diversity in whats available for people. This goes beyond fragrance and looking at other irritants (acids in particular) and just making sure the market in general doesnt become oversaturated with only one style of product. It's like if every skincare brand only came out with products for dry skin, like people with oily skin wouldnt have options.
That being said I don't think brands should be ripped to shreds for including an irritating ingredient here and there. Im hoping when Rihanna extends the line, she will have options for different skin types and fragrance free options
Same, i developed sensitivity over the years, i used to use "natural" brands and fucked my skin, now i'm good but got burn for most of them.
Paula Desai-Rogers I completely agree. I think people were so quick to bash because Rihanna had mentioned she has sensitive skin. That confused the hell out of me since sensitive skin doesn’t always mean you’ll be irritated by fragrance. Most people seem to avoid it as a precaution.
Christ, that "following the people who know what they are talking about" is a potentially controversial statement.... the anti-expert culture that has arisen in the past decades or so is INSANE to me.
Especially in the year of covid. Where before we trusted scientists, who are for a reason considered experts, suddenly they are apparently the last people we should trust.
It's so bizarre to watch.
Anti-intellectualism is so frustrating. Why is critical thinking so looked down upon?!
Agreed. Creationism anyone? 😏
I just avoid fragrance because i'm allergic, that's all. With my eczema i just avoid it because i need to. I think people need to chill sometimes, just take a time out... damn
I always like to know if a product has fragrance in it when someone like James is reviewing it (thank you James!). Saves me a heap of time and that feeling of must have melts away. I understand people like fragrance, that's fine but please, give us options for those of us that don't like it or can't use it and until recently those products have been few and far between :(.
Amanda F exactly. But others just be attacking people for no reason, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it
I show up for your soothing voice, i stay for the very articulate and thought out subject matter.
"if you took a moment to read" would resolve so much! 👍👍
Thank you James for you transparency! I personally try to avoid fragrance but extend myself some grace when I want to try a product that has it. It’s about balance not perfection!
I feel if fragrance is the last ingredient..it's ok ..but if way up ..it can irritate your skin.. especially sensitive skin 💖💖
Yes
Yes! I used the clean and clear morning burst cleanser for a long time and it had fragrance at the bottom and my skin was fine but i used another product from another brand and the fragrance was like 3rd row so it was a shit ton and it made me red.
I think we need to take this advice and apply it to every aspect of our lives. Not everyone has the same opinion and that's okay! We talk about inclusivity and acceptance, but we don't reflect that in our actions.
Tiffany Opachich Yes, this 👆🏼
💯% but God forbid you disagree with a "guru" and their stans come after you. Like, learn how to think for yourself, yknow?
The most frustrating thing a person can say is tell me that “you don’t really need a toner. It does nothing for you.” I try to explain how my pores don’t just magically improve with niacinamide only and then they really come for me. All because one or two content creators said they don’t see a difference in their skin with a toner. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️😓
Oh man, totally agree! I've been seeing this statement increase on Instagram and it just blows my mind that people make the product's purpose so reductive. People with knowledge and expertise put thought into the product and then it's oversimplified and vilified 🤦🏻♀️
When people say “you don’t need a toner” they’re usually talking about old fashioned toners that were intended to rebalance the skin pH after harsh soap cleansers. No one needs that type of toner any more if they’re using a proper face wash.
Have you checked out LAbeautyologist? She's all for hydrating toners. I love her
Good video. Seems that people are allergic to having a balanced discussion these days
Truth!
100% Honest.
Ha! Very true.
People who have never had a reaction to fragrance in their entire lives but swear everything their favourite skinfluencer tells them about fragrance is a cold hard fact: “THIS HAS FRAGRANCE!!! 😡😡😡”
but does fragrance or dye have any beneficial properties for the skin ? no they dont. So its just unnecessary to use them. Its just excludes a lot of people 🤷🏻♀️ If you wanna smell good just wash or use perfume. As if someone would smell your face.
@@che7941 aromatherapy is actually a very real thing. Also - I’m allergic to dairy, but that doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to have milk in your coffee, it doesn’t mean that dairy products can’t exist because there are people who are allergic to it.
"Please do not confuse your Google search with my [Law/Medical/Science] degree". So true....
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The candy bong in the background!!! Always notice it and it makes me smile :)
This can be applied to everyday life and not just skincare! Thanks James! 💜
Never knew fragrance was such a big deal. Here in South Africa we love fragrance in skincare. Majority got no issues or bad reactions.
Same.... In Korea skincare is about "experiencing self-love" so a lot of products use fragrance to enhance the relaxed, soothing feeling. I wear Laneige sleeping mask with trademarked scent that helps with insomnia. While yes its scent have no effect on my skin, it does help me sleep a bit better.
I do find certain essential oils and fragrance to be irritating for me, but generally nobody really complains about fragrance in skincare.
Same in the middle east. Scent is a rites of passage and poor Huda gets trashed for using it.
Fragrance is usually no big deal unless you have specific chronic skin conditions. But if you have a specific chronic skin condition then what are you doing using Rihanna's skincare instead of a pharmacy line developed especially for your skin type.
We all like 👍🏽before James starts talking 😂😘
It’s 4:46 am where I am right now but like... I’m early as hell
I love James, tells it how it is. He and Robert are my favourite RUclipsrs...they must be protected at all costs!!!
“ if one day you wake up and your skin doesn’t like fragrance , then stop using fragrance “ , “ do what works for your skin not what you like what your skin likes “........ THANK YOU , I don’t use fragrance in my skin care products because my skin personally doesn’t typically respond well to the. but that is my skin if another persons skin doesn’t respond poorly to fragrance and they like using it , that’s fine for them and if someday they find their skin does respond poorly to a product the can stop using it, also we can patch test a product, which I would like to see more RUclips content creators advocate when they are talking about products they like because of the likelihood viewers will try some of the products talked about.... well said James again thank you
im a biotechnologist..there's so many things in google (even on valid sites such as .edu, .gov, books, or even journals) give u wrong information..mostly because of lack of reading/ understanding + money term..
as a scientist, me and my friends kinda getting tired to try telling people the truth (the scientific side of stuff)? because they suddenly become an expert just because they google..thank you for making the point that people who professionally do stuff and study about them have some info thats not there in public..
even in science world there's no such thing as black and white, changes happened often..like today A can cause cancer, tomorrow it might be not..it is important to stay updated through the right source about this (not from just reading .com websites or blogs)..even if u feel like ohh u read this from a valid website, try to look at their source, they often using dated source or another blogs :/
It’s honestly pretty annoying that the conversation just became about fragrance. I wanted to see the fragrance comments and then go on to breakdown the ingredients and the quality or irritation ability of other ingredients (which there was some quality videos like that, but the conversation in comments were literally fragrance or not and nothing else).
Fragrance would fall under irritation ability though? I get what you're saying but.
Tee Vana oh 100% but the general conversation has seemed to never really move past fragrance. Which fragrance is also not just a fenty skincare thing, it’s across the skincare and makeup industry having it vs not having it. Which I love the fact so many people address it, but there’s a slew of other ingredients too that it would be cool to see addressed in depth like people have been doing w the fragrance in fenty skin! (Also I’m not someone who can really use products with fragrance so of course I appreciate it being discussed, but it’s kind of going in circles at this point).
I really hate fragrance in skincare products. Not because of its good or bad for you skin, by but because strong scents give me headaches. If I know something has fragrances I just avoid it. I don’t feel the need to get bent out of shape because of it. You should research a skincare regiment before you start it. I look up so much information and try to look up the actual science in the ingredients.
Yes! But the problem is, no one wants to do their own research anymore. They want to be spoon fed everything and not think for themselves.
I'm the same. Strong fragrances in skincare can be annoying. I've also used a few "clean" "fragrance free" products that smelled bad on their own. I feel that fragrances in skincare should be neutral unless scent is the selling point.
Google isn’t a valid point of research !
As a professor, I am so glad he said this.
Google scholar is quaking
Hannah S my lab reports using google scholar are also quaking 😔
FLORA RIPPPP
I’m tired of my youtubers flexing the fact that where they are it’s summer! 😂 It got to 8 degrees C here today and yesterday it was 6 😭
Ahhhh haha! I wish it wasn’t! I want winter!
Im in france and its terrible its so hot
It super hot here inUkraine now and I hate it) I want autumn and winter so badly
Just remember though, when it’s -40F/C for us having summer now, you’ll be toasty warm.
Lol yes us southern hemisphere people are experiencing the cold fr fr
I'm so over what's good or what's bad for people skin being presented as black and white. That's why I tell people to learn their skin and what it agree and doesn't agree with.
You made me laugh at “go pitch a tent” - I could not agree more!
I am chemist and I don’t have issue with fragrance as well. Thank you so much for speaking about cherry picking of data and the complexity of ingredient safety and their effects on their skin! I’m glad there are people like you who do their research and listen to scientists and medical professionals!
“It is not normal to have that kind of anger bc somebody doesn’t like skin care.”🤣🤣🤣
James you're the ONLY beauty industry influencer I watch at this point.
Because you're sooo calm and smart and adequate.
Which is SADLY such a rare thing.
Mary Jay he’s so laid back and isn’t all gate keepy about things. He also doesn’t insert himself into drama. He just keeps it very light and informative.
Viktorija Cehulic Vukadinovic yuck, no thank you. He’s sometimes snobby and very gate keepy and a majority of his subs are some of the most toxic, mean, hateful know it alls on this platform. Several of them went off on this tiny tik tok RUclipsr because she made a vid about skin care. The comments were so mean, she ended up completely changing the title of her vid and issued an apology. None of which she needed to do. They weren’t even like constructive criticism, either. They were really mean and accused her of some messed up things. I used to really like him and his channel too.
James and his twin are my faves, and if Mary Jay wanted to you include Hyram, pretty sure she would have.
Not that anyone cares what I think or have to say, just putting it out there
@@noname-xn1jw lets be honest Hyram is too dramatic 🙄
@@maryjay1642 lmao agreed. I also just think he's the skincare influencer that just happened to blow up and the things he says now have a big impact on what people think. This fragrance thing would not have been an issue if Hyram wasn't so vocally anti- fragrance. Don't get me started on his followers... I'm a small content creator which includes some skincare content. His followers hound me on tiktok lol. Its horrible.
I got absolutely reemed on Reddit for suggesting that people were allowed to change their minds when they learn new information regarding fragrance in skincare. I have very reactive skin, so I always avoided fragrance in everything and was definitely afraid of using it. But after learning more about it by a lot of skincare chemists on instagram like you mentioned, I have happily introduced some fragranced products in my body care and wash off products. Mostly, I'm just not as terrified of it as I was before. I think people want fragrance to be this smoking gun, like aha! this is what's wrong with my skin! These companies want to keep my skin in bad condition! So I keep buying products! But the reality is that removing fragrance from your skincare won't automatically fix your skin, and using products with fragrance won't immediately ruin your skin either.
THANK YOU SO MUCH JAMES FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND BEING UNBIASED. Us professionals definitely appreciate you for speaking and spreading knowledge that everything in skincare isn’t black or white. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Aren't we already over this "stanning" different influencers like Jeffree and Hyram and preaching their opinions on the comment section of other channels without knowing anything ourselves. Please, we viewers need to not make the community troubled and toxic.
I would love fragrance but from when I was young perfumes etc gave my an allergic rash it's so sad 😭😭but sometimes some fragrance don't bother me so it's hard to gage what my skin likes and doesnt. But just cause it doesn't work for you don't mean you should talk shit about it just continue to use what you already have.
I could NOT wear perfume or even use fragranced soap when I was younger, now I can. Skin changes. I had to find what worked for me, it's an ongoing process & sounds like you're on the right track.
Just light a scented candle while you do your routine. Smelling nice smells is nice, but no need to rub them on your skin
@@debrucey You can't tell me what to do! You're not my real dad! (lol)
I love how direct & honest you are.
Thank you for this. I recently graduated with a bachelors in Biotechnology and now am pursuing a PhD. A big issue in the science community is how to make the science accesible. Many individuals read one statement and decide it is final and “true”. Like everything else, Science changes with the release of new data and everything should be done on a case by case basis.
I think people rely too much on science and doctors for a definite answer when in reality, it is an ever changing field. Nothing is completely set in stone but when it comes to health (and skincare), people are deathly scared about grey areas. What if your doctor tells you "I don't know" when the science behind it isn't 100% sure ? Doctors don't know what they don't know yet it would be devastating for some people.
Also, I think people rely too much on anecdotal evidence to support their claims because emotions are easier to comprehend than science. Had a bad reaction to a certain product or ingredient ? It's all bad and we should ban it. Someone you know had bad side effects from a medication and suddenly you'll be reluctant to take it.
I was on Accutane and I have experienced these polarizing thoughts first hand. People looking all scared for me, telling me how bad it is, someone they know were miserable on this drug, telling me I should explore another option etc... when for me, despite the bad side effects I experienced like arthritis in my ankles and keratitis to name a few, it was the best thing I have ever done for my skin and no amount of physical pain could top off the mental pain acne caused me.
Priscillia the truth about Science is that nothing is “true”. In reality we are trying to find answers to many unanswered questions. I also agree with you. That’s why everything you hear and see should be taken into consideration but not be final. Also, there is always something new on the market and something that might work better if you just give it a chance. Like James mentioned in the video, you can take away what doesn’t work for you but it doesn’t mean that it won’t work for someone else.
I stan how blunt you are. 🖤 my kind of person.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of people will just take a look at the current bandwagons & jump on whichever is fullest. These are the people who are incapable of thinking for themselves & go with the masses to fit in. 🤷🏻♀️
Always good to listen to a balanced opinion. Thank you, James.
i love your perspective because you are not about demonizing any ingredient or stance on skincare. There are so many people in the world that want to get on a soapbox about something, anything, and a lot of times it just boils down to knowing the facts and making the best decision for yourself. no one needs to get offended or riled up about it!
This all needed to be said. People this day in age (I’m not mega old, just 29) are literally so sensitive, they think they know it all, no one else’s opinions are valid. I do NOT understand this cancel culture, and how people can have so much hate, and so much time to sit behind a screen and get so worked up and be so so hateful. For what?? Over the way someone said a certain thing, or how they feel “lied to” and how an influencer had a different way of doing things or have a different opinion, people think they need to ban people together and pitchfork these influencers, or dermatologists, etc. It’s absolutely effing rediculous. People need to quit being so da*n sensitive. Stop hating on people bc they believe something that isn’t the same as you. This kind of stuff makes me sooooo disappointed in humans. If you don’t like someone’s views, and you cannot be mature enough to keep scrolling when you see something you don’t like, then UNFOLLOW them. Geez..... ugh!!!
And also, it’s sad that influencers like James, Hyram, Susan, and Liah all do this bc they LOVE what they do. They have a passion for skincare, for reviewing products, etc. that is their job. And every single day have to be constantly ridiculed about every single thing they say or do. I couldn’t imagine going to work and have thousands of people trying to crush me and my work bc I said one thing they don’t agree with. Y’all really need to get it together...
I'm okay with fragrance in cleansers since I'm pretty much rinsing them straight off anyway, but in anything else I prefer non-fragrance as prolonged exposure tends to irritate my skin.
I wish i was this early in my everyday life tasks 🙃
This video solidifies why I always watch your videos. You are consistent in terms of owning your opinions and changing them when it is deemed necessary. You have always been okay with fragrance as long as it doesn't bother your skin or in a wash-off treatment and have never pushed for people to use it. If people watch your channel they can get unbiased information and super open to new information. We Stan a real person with real opinions and open to new information. Thank you, James!!
This video is exactly why I love watching your content, James. Thank you.
Although I appreciate fragrances, (for me) it triggers a migraine. I have to choose carefully.
This is my problem too. I like nice fragrance but I'm very sensitive to strong smells and get migraines nowadays. Can't wear perfumes anymore😕
Same here, I miss my perfume collection, but with skincare I'm lucky we have good options now. Hair products without overwhelming fragrance though - that is tough to come by
@@annevanoverbeke4935 I've been experimenting with new haircare products recently because I'm trying to encourage my natural wave pattern and finding products with light enough fragrance they don't give me a headache is so difficult.
@@honoratagold good luck! It's definitely a challenge
Me too! I'm the office problem...person???, idk, not the point, bc I get headaches (migraines? idk, but instant, lasts for hours and no meds help headaches) from those melty smelling scentsy things or scented candles or incense sticks or fruity body sprays, etc. There were 35 women in this office and I was definitely in the minority on this. I swear it goes into my nose up into my brain down my throat into my lungs...like I can literally taste those things. Thank God it was against safety regs for fire hazards, etc., bc cubicles DO NOT contain the smell to a single work space and one person would have a tropical passion fruit thing going and 5 feet from them someone else had apple pie spice something 🤢. I had to lose my isht, but my manager found the safety/fire thing and we were saved! (I could tell he was not thrilled about having to battle with all us females over this. We were way out numbered) Anyhwhay, that's my story. Please note my BODY hates fragrance, not me personally, and I don't hate people that are lucky enough to enjoy it. But peeps, the struggle is real for those of us who can't tolerate fragrance (even if we wanted to.)🐾✖
I was really disappointed in most peoples reaction to Fenty Skin. Everyone tore apart Kylie Skin, but because people like Rhianna...
I know you have never completely said no to fragrance. But a lot of other youtubers have, and were hypocrites.
Most people were mad at the scrub instead of the fragrance, at least from what i saw. And there's definitely going to be some form of a bias, Kylie's kinda problematic, but fenty has always been known to be inclusive and setting the standard in the makeup industry, so idk why you're bringing up kylie.
@@scribbes exactly
why is a negative review only considered a good review? The ingredients in fenty skin are actually beneficial for poc
@@ladydimitrescu1155 That's such a huge misconception 🤦♀️. Fragrance is actually even worse for POC (as compared to white people) because it can lead to increased dark spots and hyperpigmentation!
@@senator5472 a lot of the botanical extracts included also have some data pointing to them not being good for skin at all... poc or not...
James, I just lost my job i know its not related to the video, but there is something about your personality and voice that are just comforting and cozy and for some reason i feel calmer and safer. Thank you!
C Hirons brought up a good point; one of the products likely had more fragrance in it because its ingredients list contained some smelllyyyy stuff. I suspect that the folks that "hate fragrance" (but are not allergic or sensitive to it) would be the first ones to smell an un-fragranced product and complain, "This smells like shit!"
My eczema will be triggered with fragrance so It’s a no no when a product contains fragrance 🙅🏻♀️
But I love Riri. If only my skin isn’t sensitive, i’m cool with using fragrance but I tried products with fragrance then my skin starts reacting 😭
@Farah Hason ikr. If they watch hyram they would understand he said he feel okay if it's in wash off product
Other countries: It started to get warm,
My country (Malaysia): it's Sunny 365 days... yeah I'm sweaty everyday ;(
Same 👐
I'm in the southwest desert of the U.S. I can relate too.
I love that you listen to and respect the scientists.
I’m glad you and some others are starting to address this, comment sections on certain skincare content is getting really toxic and I am NOT about it 😤
I feel like fragrance in skincare is kinda like a meme now. Initially it was a few people who really cared, now it’s many people who just say they hate it but I have to wonder what’s in their medicine cabinet 🧐
I just think how curious it is that everybody is freaking out about fenty having fragrance in their products, but nobody says anything about Mario badescu putting steroids on their creams and "clean" brands like herbivore having their products recalled because of mold!!!!!!!! Parabens are not that bad, conservatives are for your safety!!!!!!
This can be applied to every other area of life. Do not only listen to the ones that agree with you, you need to hear opposing opinions, too! Otherwise there's the danger that people only interact in their same-minded bubbles and no real progression can be made because there is no dialogue.
One of my favourite things about you is you always make mention if there is fragrance. I know it’s a trendy thing at the moment. I genuinely have a fragrance sensitivity. My face will almost always turn reddish purple, so it’s important to know when I’m buying online. People truly to things way too personal when we talk about fragrance. They need to lighten up
I love fragrance and things smelling good. Unfortunately my eczema prone skin means I cant have any of that. But I still love it. Im not mad at fragrance.
I don’t think any dermatologist would say fragrance has any actual skin benefits whatsoever. It does somehow improve some people’s skin care experience. The problem with fragrance is it can develop sensitivity over time. The “paraben” analogy is not really the right one to be honest. No legit dermatologists ever rejected it.
No I think people are getting what I said confused. I wasn’t comparing fragrance allergy to parabens. I was just saying it’s another ingredient that is surrounded by misinformation and fear mongering
@@JamesWelsh i developed fragrance allergy over-time, i can't even use scented household cleaning stuff now, thx to the body shop tea tree line.
Hyram made me watch you...and I gotta say...I'm addicted to your voice. It's so calming❤
I would rather call you a beauty conversationalist because you make people think and engage in good conversation. This is the reason why I subscribe to you because it’s always good content , no bs , just plain truth. I love you! Keep it up .... much respect to you always.
Riri succeeds in the inclusive aspect. It really is for everyone, except *cough cough* people sensitive to fragrance. I can smell the products through my screen
This whole thing is outta hand. Use fragrance or don't, its not that deep. I'll spray perfume directly on my face if I feel like it
I agree!!!!
this video is so so so important. knowing not to lock yourself in an echo chamber and stop seeing skincare and ingredients as a black and white thing is important. thanks james for making this video
You absoltely kill me 😂 I'm obsessed with your humor ♥