The ILLIT one is so true! My gosh! Someone on IG even said “why are they marketing them as soft girls, it’s so sexual” if I I tell you I lost half of my brain cells I kid you not.
It's 100% because of NewJeans (well, Cookie specifically). But they are not under the same sub-label (is that the right word?) so I have hopes for them... but you never know I guess.
It pisses me off that we’re associating innocent, cute stuff with sexual desires. I loved illit’s concept, and I hate how ppl think just bc it’s soft that it’s predatory. Like think about it; if you automatically associate cute things with being something sexual, aren’t you the problem ?? Why are u automatically assuming that something that’s soft is inappropriate?? Why can’t it just be plain old cute for the sake of being cute ??
i love kiof but everytime i see someone say 'omg grown women!!!' i giggle cus what, like the oldest is 23 while the youngest is 18... but the same ppl call rv and snsd old hags like... okay...
It’s very hypocritical, especially if you consider the fact that kiss of life are praised for being grown but the oldest member of Illit (who is younger than kiss of life’s maknae) is considered “too old” for the group 😭
it's because kiol doesn't have albums or make music that are cute like magnetic. it's seductive and hot sometimes groovy. that's alll an adult image we see the other kpop groups like ILLIT for example and newjeans makes either cute (ILLIT) or Innocent Teen crush or aesthetic teeny (😭) songs
In fact, for Haneul from Kiss of Life, the only difference between her and Eunchae from Lessirafim is one year, but at the same time everyone demands that Eunchae not be given short clothes and say that they do not fit. Their dances are like Smart, but at the same time no one objects to Kiss of Life's bold dances, which doesn't suit Haneul either. No one says a word about it and this is literally a double standard
On one hand i get having this mindset because Eunchae is still technically a minor in Korea, while Haneul is 19 so is overage, but it sounds kinda ridiculous if you put it like that. Screaming about a 19 year old being cunty is just so weird 💀 she’s still a teenager after all, definitely not a grown woman like some of their stans paint the girls to be
@@soft4taeng Haneul is 19 so shes an adult but a young adult. I would argue that the entirety of KIOF, despite being a breath of fresh air and less minors, are in their early 20s. I would prob call a group cunty when the youngest is 22 and the oldest is in their late 20s-early 30s. But again stans would also not tune into that so called group
@@slushiedolls right, as a KIOF fan myself, when i found a video made by KIOF fans saying "this is what happen when you debut grown women", someone in the comment section said "but their maknae just turned 18, that's not a grown women" and the video creator proceeded to answer "at least they're not 14 or something", I was like... what????? just because there minors out there who debuted as idols, that doesn't make a 18 year old women a grown adult, does it?
opinion #3: "it's so refrseshing listening to grown women they're so c*nty" etc.. like yeah, let's be so honest right now you're just happy you get to sexualise a group without feeling bad about it? opinion #5: obviously, certain idols can't sing, telling the company to provide more vocals lessons isn't gonna help one bit, if the idol is a bad singer, training might make them tolerable to hear but they can't become mariah carey or some shit with 'vocal lessons', they gotta be able to sing the basics.
imo, no company currently really seem to vocally train idols well. jyp feels like its pushing members to sing out of range/ unhealthy ways (twice, itzy) yg relies on the charisma and unique tone over technique sm tends to look for good vocalists who already have technique down. its not like sm has really good vocal coaches, they tend to scout idols who are already vocally talented and knew how to nurture it
That's why the excuse of " It's the company fault " is not valid anymore, because girl, you are not a baby anymore to always depend on what the company gives you. Idols have a brain so they should start working to improve themselves even if it means without anyone help.
@ayanobadass949 idk vocals are smt which are very difficult to self train. Im not saying its impossible, but considering the already hectic schedule of idols (probably full of dance training) there's no need to be so mean. Also, its a company that's there for training. Isn't it there job first lmao
@@brunetteartist24 I know that the company should train them better but with the current state kpop is in ( the lack of strong vocalist ), i think companies are not as reliable as they used to be cz they know they can make easy money without giving their groups proper vocal training ( since 3rd gen ). It's time for the idols to start doing something on their own if they consider vocal as important, idk maybe with all the money they get they could hire themsleves some competent vocal teachers like some Skz and Exo members.
Not true Jaejong of tvxq was tone deaf and SM's training made him vocalist he is . F(x)'s Luna was scouted for her dancing skills with training she became 2nd best female vocalist at SM
nurturing good vocalists is better than just being a bad singer so imo more companies should be doing the sm thing. Irris' company did it. Fifty Fifty kinda did it.
another great video. 10000% agree w/ everything you said. as a fan of KIOF, i hate the whole cunty discourse around KIOF, but since they are from a small company and deserve more recognition, I will put up with it.
You ate with all of these like !!! Especially the one about lsrfm. I thought their performance was solidly okay, but I’m pretty sure I would have thought of it as better if there wasn’t other k-groups also at Coachella. On one hand, that is because in a huge ateez and the rose fan, but I feel like ateez performing the day before might have set expectations high, at least for me, thereby making lsrfm’s performance seem even worse, despite the fact that it wasn’t. Also the one about speculation on idol’s love lives !! Its genuinely insane how I’ve seen people come up with elaborate and explicit things about idols sleeping with another of the opposite sex but then jump on someone for saying that they related to an idol in a way that involves their queerness 💀
FRFRFR and people are always encouraging her to keep hating on idols for literally anything and everything, i don't get why people act like she's hillarious and innovative when she speaks just like a regular kpoptwt anti
The problem with the singing ability is that SM chooses Idols who can sing and are really talented however they don't train their idols which is why a lot regress unless they seek outside training. HYBE does not focus on finding the best vocalists so after they debut if the idols themselves don't seek improvement they will regress and be worse than they already are. It's not a matter of training because everyone should realize by now that the "training" they did in rookie years is just performance practice. Being taught choreography and lyrics and then performing it back to whoever the judges are in the company. If an idol wants to ACTUALLY improve they have to go out of their way to improve. And yes part of improving is practicing but for singing (and dancing lowkey) there's a technical aspect that you can't glide by just singing songs every day that's not how it works. Someone like Sakura who gets heavily criticized for her vocals will not just find improvement by singing live everywhere. That's gonna help her stamina but the problem lies in her actual voice, not her stability. A lot of y'all allow idols a pass if they're stable even though they still can't sing well. If an idol wants to improve they will invest in singing lessons. Sakura never had to improve her vocals before le Sserafim however now that the group is amassing more popularity and success she realized that she needs to improve her abilities which is why she recently signed up for singing lessons. People also need to take into account that idols practice A LOT and that they go to A LOT of events. You should NOT expect them to sing live every time their companies literally work them to the bone booking gigs everywhere on top of having comebacks every few months. Yall can be understanding and realize an idol won't sing live EVERYWHERE and when they do you shouldn't JUMP at the chance to HATE on them. Le Sserafim improved a lot in stability but they are still vocally weak. Their Coachella performance was very good the energy was up, the choreography didn't get messed up and they sang with no backtrack HOWEVER the vocals were very hit or miss. They should be praised for singing with NO backtrack while dancing because a LOT of artists don't do that but it is also okay to criticize them for not being able to sing well all the way through. They had MONTHS of practice and when the time came they fell short vocally. They should've been able to sing well throughout the performance given how much they should be practicing on a regular but don't hate on the girls they worked hard. Learn to criticise not hate.
Not true Jaejong of tvxq was tone deaf and SM's training made him vocalist he is . F(x)'s Luna was scouted for her dancing skills with training she became 2nd best female vocalist at SM And about regressing.. it's upto idols if they wanna continue to improve or not after success and the one who seek other vocal couches may not prefer style of vocal .. Like SM had vocal couches like yoo youngjin and many others
I disagree with the part where you said training can't make idols sing good because singing is something anyone can learn with proper coaching and training. Yes I know some people are naturally good singers but the bad singers can compete them if they are given training.
I always love how you express your opinions, politely but straight to the port asw. maybe I don't agree with everything, but I def have a similar point of view as you
Ok here’s my ranking of le sserafim at coachella from best to worst 1.Chaewon: literally carried, sounded good most of the time 2.Sakura: (shockingly👀) sounded almost too stable, the backtrack must’ve been LOUD during her parts cause you couldn’t even hear her breathing once, but still… 3.Yunjin: she’s supposed to be a main vocalist but it’s always 50/50 when it comes to her. Either great or awful. No in between 4.Kazuha: usually the most stable during lives, idk what happened here 5.Eunchae: couldn’t hold a note, constantly out of breath, sounded genuinely terrible, i felt so bad for her
Thank you for the singing one. They clearly have the time for hobbies and stuff, but not to improve their vocals. I guess if they cant sing they should just rap instead but that requires training too so... I dont know what to say.
Agree with almost everything here espthe kiss of life one. K-pop stans will listen to nxde by Gidle but then sexualize kiof by literally only valuing them for sex appeal and their concept
4:01 I BEEN SAYING THISSS People just want to drag people a lot of people don’t care. Even on girl on twitter dragged yunjin for Starbucks but then on her page she posted a pic with Starbucks… like whattt
2:55 girl same 😭the only thing people talk about them is being grown women or debuting grown women’s when in reality they are still young. I hope this token people focus on their music and praise them for that because kiss of life is just so good to be just stereotyped under a particular title 5:40 I think it’s pretty opposite like fans are okay with queer ships but as soon they see a possibility of hetero relationships they lose their mind and start crying how it will never be true 😂 like we actually don’t know what’s happening there. And recently pharita’s reaction to yeonjun was pretty viral and people started making edits how yeonjun belongs to them or pharita belongs to her members or her fans 😂 like it was just a freaking reaction and Rita was just fangirling that too not even too hyped up but people where making sad edits and stuff had me wheezing 😂 I remember I purposely made a engene mad saying what if sunghoon and wonyoung is more than friends and she was adamant that sunghoon will never date wonyoung 🤣because his ideal type is Irene . The reason why I got mad was K-pop Stans have this weird habit of siblingifying and male and female idol ☠️like hyunjin yeji okay I understand but in what context does wonyoung and sunghoon look like siblings 😭and they were mad because someone said jangkku looks a lead couple of a vampire drama ; which in my perspective makes sense 😂 and I was really disappointed with Karina’s break up 🥲like there were so many people saying they will break up for sure and this just fits the narrative of idols doing anything to please their fans. Heterosexual or homosexual relationship I want all of the idols I Stan to be happy and if they are not interested in having any kind of relationship and that is also completely okay and it’s none of my business 😌 I just don’t want them to feel bad about loving someone 🥲
the starbucks and mc donalds thing is true but i feel like ppl have the right to be pissed e.g. yunjin saying that she wants to change the industry and then doing that is so disappointing and annoying, but hating on an idol to the point being misogynistic is crazy, ppl should take this seriously, not an oppertunity to praise or bash an idol, its disgusting really
I've been a kiof fan since pre-debut, Haneul had just turned 18 a few months before they debuted with Shhh, I feel like so many Kissies like to the flex the fact that the members are so "cunty", "sexy" and how they're "grown women" when their youngest member was literally born in 2005 and the oldest being born in 2000
Thank you so much for speaking about that it`s not the companys fault alone that an idol can`t sing. maybe the comparison is a little bit weird but maybe it`s not but Su-Metal, the main singer of Babymetal, also started her career very early when she was a child/teenager but her voice was very good at that time but you can still hear in newer performances that her voice became even better. So i wonder why Su-Metal was able to get a even stronger voice but Sakura is a bad singer for 10 years. I slowly start to think that if she really would care about her singing ability, then she would take every chance she can get to train her vocals but i think she doesn`t do that because she`s famous enough even though she can`t sing. I like Sakura. She`s a good performer but i don`t understand why she`s a singer. I`m sorry. When you talked about your last opinion, i immediately had to think about the Ktuber ajanugu. Her videos are simply disgusting, full of hate and insults. She hates literally every group that exists. I`m surprised that people still watch her disgusting videos.
Nah but le sserafim hate is getting out of hand. People are straight up being vile and nasty in the name of constructive criticism. Mind you eunchae is a minor too. These girls are seriously getting cyber bullied. Source music needs to do something asap cause ain't no way these young girls are getting more hate than the actual criminals. I don't stan le sserafim but feel bad for the girls.
Yall were supposed to boycott the big 4 (especially Hybe) for their support to Israel and you’re clearly not doing it. Maybe if instead of bullying idols for eating mcdonald’s french fries you actually participated in the boycott like you were supposed to do, you would do something useful!
The amount of people cancelling idols for mcD and Starbucks but having no problems praising idols for still being ambassadors for designer brands that are in support of Israel or like Chanel who has an original history of being problematic.
Ok really unpopular opinion here that most people seem to disregard: kpop and politics are two things that should not be put together. It’s just never going to work because no company will allow their idol to openly support a side as to not lose fame or popularity. It’s the harsh truth and we have no choice but to accept it. Another harsh truth is that a lot of people aren’t willing to participate in the boycott. Some people just don’t care enough and that is that. Kpop fans cancelling idols for purchasing items/subtly promoting items from boycotted brands isn’t going to help Palestine the slightest. At the same time, kpop stans also shouldn’t try to desperately trying to find "clues" that their faves support Palestine, because were probably just never going to know. If you want to support Palestine you could donate or, if you don’t have the money, you could at least spread awareness through social media apps. However, cancelling idols and even other celebrities isn’t going to do shit.
FINALLY someone with some common sense😭 people focus too much on private lives instead of real life problems, they just pretend to do activism but never actually do it, I deleted Insta and X bc of the hate tweets and how toxic it is, and I’ve finally opened my eyes and I have started to boycott the big 4! 😭 People just hate to hate, they just like to bully the idols atp 💀
nah fr people are actually really evil, cause I watched myself the whole le sserafim coachella performance (I also had the same opinion as yours), and you haters are really the worst people ever. yes, compared to other kpop groups who also perform in coachella, their vocals is the worst but it's not LIKE THE WORST PERFORMANCE EVER like people make it to be. seriously why tf people suddenly lost their morals when it comes to hating on female idols?? I've seen lots of people slvtshaming le sserafim, calling eunchae names WHO IS A MINOR and even asking sakura to key herself like sulli. SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?????
And the funny thing is that just a couple of moths ago everyone ADORED them, but of course whenever a hate train starts most people just blindly jump on it even if the minute before they were praising the girls like no tomorrow. Criticism about their vocals is fair, but i swear some people are taking it too far and are just having fun bullying them at this point.
@@soft4taeng THIS!!!!! there is no criticism AT ALL, all of them just pure hates and bullying. Even knetz bullying them until the tweet got 21 million views and 16 million views. Seriously istg people are so evil for no reason. I watched and listened to their performance and it's not terrible like people make it to be. They did so good at the beginning even sakura, eunchae and kazuha. They start to mess up at the last 3 songs and you can see their face that they ARE TIRED AF esp yunjin face. Even chaewon is struggling at the last song, her high note is weak. Le sserafim known for their hardcore choreo, like even in this coachella performance they reduce a lot of dancing and it's still really hard and tired af. Like bruh, even i can feel their tiredness and out of breath just by watching them
the kiss of life one makes me sad bcuz i was literally there when they were dropping teasers. i was there when sugarcoat came out. i waited excitedly for the rest of the solos up until their debut. im happy theyre popular but some of their stans need to shut up.
Opinion 3: As a Kissy, it's like people just stan them as a way to feel better than other fandoms like Baemon or new jeans (I'm a stan of both btw) and only focus on the fact that the girls are overage. It's like okay that's good but what else? They have so much talent and we don't need to ONLY focus on their age! And KIOF isn't "better" or "different" from other girl groups, all groups have something unique about them and we can praise all groups without belittling one for something they can't control (age). Be better Kissys
Finally someone is saying it, It annoys me when an idol gets called out for their terrible vocals and everyone is quick to blame the company. Every idol knows the requirements of their job and one of the requirements is to sing. For le sserafim situation even if the company wasn't willing to give them proper lessons the girls have money and connections where they could go out and find someone themselves or pay for it. If they wanted it badly they would have found a way.
Wait a minute, i’m fully convinced Sakura either lip synced or had an extremely heavy back track even if technically coachella only allows live singing. The other girls voices sounded wobbly as they were moving and dancing but kura’s didn’t and it sounded unnatural compared to the other members. There were some moments when you could hear her singing live but other moments made me wonder if she was somewhat lip syncing 🤔
The way I was thinking the same thing. The backtrack was just very loud in her parts in order to help drown out her voice. Maybe they want didn’t want her to get dragged all over again for her vocals
*My thoughts on your opinions* 0:29 ikr i feel so bad for the idols it’s just uncomfortable 😣 1:28 I agree it was good and bad at the same time somewhere in the middle 😀 2:50 I agree with ur opinion I don’t have much to say😅 3:51 ye cuz like I support Palestine 🇵🇸 but boycotting isn’t popular in South Korea 🇰🇷 soo 5:04 I agree 🤐 6:13 ikr ppl criticize idols like illit and le serifim cuz of poor vocals and blame the company when it could be the idol at fault 7:00 i didn’t even know queendom puzzle was a group😭(no hate to them) 7:54 ikr it’s so hard to find good Ktubers nowadays😭✋ *so for context these r pretty good*
No because the way singing is both a passion and a talent, unlike other arts I'd say singing is the hardest thing to train someone to be good at, and with less-than-mediocre vocal training in these companies it's no wonder 50% of the industry can barely hold a note for 2 seconds. The majority of the best vocalists in the industry were already amazing before they even became a trainee, so it just goes to show how little training actually plays in K-pop.
4.‼️imagine telling palestinians that their struggle is used in stupid hate trains and fan wars. i take the boycott very seriously and i’m failing to understand how this is helping anyone, and to be honest i don’t see a point in spending so much time “educating” idols and i don’t think it’s a waste of time because we should just give up on them or give up on spreading awareness but spending disproportionate amount of time educating idols specifically is what i think is spending too much time, like just spread awareness in general and the bigger the awareness becomes the higher the chances it will reach everyone including those idols.
everyone who e rejects sexual harassment of minors And calling them hot and sexy (of course doing this is disgusting and wrong) But who told you that harassing adult female idols, calling them hot and sexy, posting strange pictures, and describing them with exaggerated descriptions is normal? Apparently they just don't want to debut minors just so they can do the same thing they do with adult female idols.This is what im convinced from K-Pop fans this days.
What you said was true fans now is like controlling idols and simple comment they think it defame value of their idol im kpop fan since superjunior but i gave up due to modern fans are irrelevant already old fans are good for me.
Opinion 5: YES, I SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY!!!! It's like it's inherently homophobic to act as if it's only wrong to assume someone's sexuality, when it's a non-heterosexual sexuality! Like being gay and other sexualities are normal, why act like it's bad for idols to maybe be gay? Just be respectful of idols
And it’s international fans who are focused on there age Koreans fans are just focus on there talents and live performances because its something that the kpop industry as been lacking in a few years
Also, the youngest member hasn't even become the legal Korean age 19 yet. But people are praising them for being grown woman or 18+. Yes, maybe in your country where (probably) 18 is the legal age, but not in Korea. It's 19 lol.
I have a mad respect for you at this point I agree with you at everything you just spitted. I hate people hating idols for just buying coffee from some brand supporting Israel or Palestine but the only thing is.. No body is innocent in the war. It is just a waste of resources, money etc for some land of religious purposes which is a shitty thing. If ya'll want to stop the war, please do not support either side, just let them mind their own business, please be in the favour of ending the war with peace, not hatred, be neutral, supporting either side is a waste of time, can't you just think of ending it with a peace flag from both the countries. This world is a family consisting of different countries, and if two members in this family is fighting then we all the remaining members are the ones whose responsibility to end the conflict by peace and a solution with benefitting both of them . And about Sakura, Its true she debuted 3-4 times in j pop and K pop but her vocal quality degraded time to time. She was an icon in J pop, because her vocals were trained to sing like it, people and these fvking companies just vote and debut those who are popular not them who have the real talent. I must say Le sserafim's dancing style is amazing but the vocals lack, except eunchae and yunjin. Also the fact Sakura's vocals were great in IZ*one but in Le sserafim her vocals are literally sound like someone Novice singing.
Eunchae...? Do you mean Chaewon? No hate to Eunchae but I don't think anyone would claim she is vocally carrying LE SSERAFIM. Certainly not over Chaewon.
opinion 3....who are you to tell us why we like or not like a group and what we want to talk about concerning that group? Suffering from a case of main character syndrome I see.
Opinion 8: OMG YES. Don't even get be started on how some of them are about not liking an idol for a trivial reason! Oh, you don't like Ahyeon vocal tone? That's fine but saying she can't sing or just borderline hate comments is crazy. Oh you don't like This song from said group? That's fine but saying they're untalented or need to disband is crazy. You and other k-tuber are very constructive with criticism but others are just there to be an Internet asshole.
Kiss of life is praised in korea for theyre live performances and theyre amazing music but why bring babymonster in this they come from a big company ofc there gonna be more popular and kiss of life never said they had a grown mature concept if you actually took the time to watch there interview they said there conecpt is about freedom thats why they dont have a specific genre of music every comback its all different just like the solos
Opinion 2...Lesserfim was horrible at cochella. Its not being a hater is just being honest. They are a visual based group...not a singing group. its ok. They get by on sex appeal and thats ok.
Starbucks Korea may be owned by the same people who own the shinsaege department store but they still pay their royalties to the main branch since they use the original name, style of marketing & layout of the products. So technically, the amount of money they pay royalties still get distributed two the main branch. The main problem with SB is how much oqf a zionist its owner is (american branch) & how they rightfully mistreated their staffs who supports Palestine.
I agree heavily with All of these🫶 The only things I have to say are about Opinions 6 & 7 6. It’s really unfortunate that the lack of Vocalists have been declining, I agree that it always isn’t the companies fault but they put themselves in the position and set themselves up for the future issues cause they are the ones picking the members who will be part of whatever group they decide to make. I also partially agree that regardless of how much an Idol practices to sing there sometimes can’t be certain changes, but growth is possible, they just need to find their weak points and be aware of them in order to grow as a vocalist. 7. I agree that Queendom Puzzle did everyone no favors, however I partially disagree about Queendom being a waste of time, in any case yes it didn’t give any group a ticket to stardom, but the groups did gain some exposure for their stages and in a way it did bring more attention to certain groups, so in a way Queendom was somewhat helpful. However Queendom Puzzle was really poorly thought out, on paper the idea sounded great, but you need to do more than just picking members from different groups to be apart of something, it was kinda like the same with Girls Feverse :(
the "controversy" about illit's music video reminds me of when kpop stans tried to do something similar with ETA by newjeans last year and they full on believed that newjeans were supporting t3rrorism... gosh
opinion 4...The only way to support palestine is to go over there and fight. other than that its just empty virtue signaling. All of you who actaully care about this needs lives. Focus on your own country and stop being mad at the internet. Everyone on this post has been to mcdonalds and star bucks more than once this past month. Stop with the fake out rage.
Please STOP including politics and Palestine into Kpop music. Idols are supposed to bring us fun and entertainment. They are not politicians or activists. Besides: there are 2 sides committing violence towards citizens in that conflict. Stop putting Kpop idols up with serious conflicts and forcing them to echo your opinion
1. AGREE SM, BUT COOKIE ISNT EVEN S3XUAL TBH, THE LYRICS IS JUST OKAY I THINK SOME PPL ARE DIRTY MINDED LMAO WTF IS S3XUAL IN MAGNETIC, ITS A CUTE SONG 2. I DIDNT WATCH IT, I ONLY WATCHED ATEEZ PERFORMANCES CUZ THEYRE MY ULT GROUP 3. I HATE KIOF SM IM SORRY BUT THEYRE OVERRATED, THEIR SONGS ARENT EVEN THAT GOOD THEY ARE NOT EVEN THAT TALENTED, IM SORRY BUT THATS TRUE 4. REAL‼‼THEY SHOULD EDUCATE THE IDOLS JUST LIKE ENGENES WITH JAKE, BUT TBH ITS RUDE FOR THE IDOLS TO CASUALLY DRINK FROM STARBUCKS AND EAT FROM MCDONALDS WHEN CHILDREN ARE BEING KILL3D IN PALESTINE, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK THAT THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GENOCIDE HAPPENING IN PALESTINE 5. AGREE SM 6. IM 50-50 WITH THIS ONE, LIKE ITS THE COMPANY'S FAULT FOR NOT TRAINING THEIR VOCALS AND DEBUTING IDOLS WITH BAD VOCALS, AT THE SAME TIME I THINK IT'S THE IDOLS' FAULT 7. IDK ABOUT THIS 8. REAL
@@laissa9372 SCREAMING⁉⁉WHEN DID I SCREAM AND THEY ARE ALL THE SAME EITHER JULIE OR NATTY OR THE OTHER TWO I HATE THEM BECAUSE I HATE THEIR PERSONALITIES AND BOLDNESS
Kiof stans becoming the new gidle and mamamoo stans because of their "im not like other girls " behaviour
Yes exactly 😭 momoo say how they stan women group and not girl group gets me wheezing all the time 💀
Yeah. They are worse than any other kpop stan.
@@johnsthetic i know right? 💀💀
@@tisha7269no they not 💀 get a job
You accidentally left out reveluvs 😭🙏 like i love these groups but the stans gotta go
The ILLIT one is so true! My gosh! Someone on IG even said “why are they marketing them as soft girls, it’s so sexual” if I I tell you I lost half of my brain cells I kid you not.
TF LMAOOO
It's 100% because of NewJeans (well, Cookie specifically). But they are not under the same sub-label (is that the right word?) so I have hopes for them... but you never know I guess.
@@glaciemdraco they are under the same I think company just different sub labels
@@ikeu.mp3 Yeah, thats what I mean. I guess you could call them sub-labels but they are both under Hybe.
It pisses me off that we’re associating innocent, cute stuff with sexual desires. I loved illit’s concept, and I hate how ppl think just bc it’s soft that it’s predatory. Like think about it; if you automatically associate cute things with being something sexual, aren’t you the problem ?? Why are u automatically assuming that something that’s soft is inappropriate?? Why can’t it just be plain old cute for the sake of being cute ??
i love kiof but everytime i see someone say 'omg grown women!!!' i giggle cus what, like the oldest is 23 while the youngest is 18... but the same ppl call rv and snsd old hags like... okay...
It’s very hypocritical, especially if you consider the fact that kiss of life are praised for being grown but the oldest member of Illit (who is younger than kiss of life’s maknae) is considered “too old” for the group 😭
The funny thing is people call groups like Newjeans and ILLIT children when in both groups there are 3 members older than KIOFL's youngest member 😭
@@seulgitastic05 like the oldest member kiof is older than all nj and illit members
it's because kiol doesn't have albums or make music that are cute like magnetic. it's seductive and hot sometimes groovy. that's alll an adult image we see
the other kpop groups like ILLIT for example and newjeans makes either cute (ILLIT) or Innocent Teen crush or aesthetic teeny (😭) songs
In fact, for Haneul from Kiss of Life, the only difference between her and Eunchae from Lessirafim is one year, but at the same time everyone demands that Eunchae not be given short clothes and say that they do not fit. Their dances are like Smart, but at the same time no one objects to Kiss of Life's bold dances, which doesn't suit Haneul either. No one says a word about it and this is literally a double standard
On one hand i get having this mindset because Eunchae is still technically a minor in Korea, while Haneul is 19 so is overage, but it sounds kinda ridiculous if you put it like that. Screaming about a 19 year old being cunty is just so weird 💀 she’s still a teenager after all, definitely not a grown woman like some of their stans paint the girls to be
@@soft4taeng yeah she still young though and them being like this is weird as you said
@@soft4taeng Haneul is 19 so shes an adult but a young adult. I would argue that the entirety of KIOF, despite being a breath of fresh air and less minors, are in their early 20s. I would prob call a group cunty when the youngest is 22 and the oldest is in their late 20s-early 30s. But again stans would also not tune into that so called group
@@slushiedolls I will freak out if someone called haneul cunty
@@slushiedolls right, as a KIOF fan myself, when i found a video made by KIOF fans saying "this is what happen when you debut grown women", someone in the comment section said "but their maknae just turned 18, that's not a grown women" and the video creator proceeded to answer "at least they're not 14 or something", I was like... what????? just because there minors out there who debuted as idols, that doesn't make a 18 year old women a grown adult, does it?
opinion #3: "it's so refrseshing listening to grown women they're so c*nty" etc.. like yeah, let's be so honest right now you're just happy you get to sexualise a group without feeling bad about it?
opinion #5: obviously, certain idols can't sing, telling the company to provide more vocals lessons isn't gonna help one bit, if the idol is a bad singer, training might make them tolerable to hear but they can't become mariah carey or some shit with 'vocal lessons', they gotta be able to sing the basics.
imo, no company currently really seem to vocally train idols well.
jyp feels like its pushing members to sing out of range/ unhealthy ways (twice, itzy)
yg relies on the charisma and unique tone over technique
sm tends to look for good vocalists who already have technique down. its not like sm has really good vocal coaches, they tend to scout idols who are already vocally talented and knew how to nurture it
That's why the excuse of " It's the company fault " is not valid anymore, because girl, you are not a baby anymore to always depend on what the company gives you. Idols have a brain so they should start working to improve themselves even if it means without anyone help.
@ayanobadass949 idk vocals are smt which are very difficult to self train. Im not saying its impossible, but considering the already hectic schedule of idols (probably full of dance training) there's no need to be so mean.
Also, its a company that's there for training. Isn't it there job first lmao
@@brunetteartist24 I know that the company should train them better but with the current state kpop is in ( the lack of strong vocalist ), i think companies are not as reliable as they used to be cz they know they can make easy money without giving their groups proper vocal training ( since 3rd gen ). It's time for the idols to start doing something on their own if they consider vocal as important, idk maybe with all the money they get they could hire themsleves some competent vocal teachers like some Skz and Exo members.
Not true Jaejong of tvxq was tone deaf and SM's training made him vocalist he is .
F(x)'s Luna was scouted for her dancing skills with training she became 2nd best female vocalist at SM
nurturing good vocalists is better than just being a bad singer so imo more companies should be doing the sm thing. Irris' company did it. Fifty Fifty kinda did it.
another great video. 10000% agree w/ everything you said. as a fan of KIOF, i hate the whole cunty discourse around KIOF, but since they are from a small company and deserve more recognition, I will put up with it.
If it can help them go viral and get more attention then so be it, but hopefully one day everyone will know them mainly for their talents ☺️
You ate with all of these like !!! Especially the one about lsrfm. I thought their performance was solidly okay, but I’m pretty sure I would have thought of it as better if there wasn’t other k-groups also at Coachella. On one hand, that is because in a huge ateez and the rose fan, but I feel like ateez performing the day before might have set expectations high, at least for me, thereby making lsrfm’s performance seem even worse, despite the fact that it wasn’t. Also the one about speculation on idol’s love lives !! Its genuinely insane how I’ve seen people come up with elaborate and explicit things about idols sleeping with another of the opposite sex but then jump on someone for saying that they related to an idol in a way that involves their queerness 💀
The last point is so SULTRY FILM😂😂 she’s so so toxic and downright mean! Like she never has anything nice to say about anybody. She’s such a troll fr
True, she along with Everglow Up and Ajanugu are some of the most toxic Ktubers out there.
FRFRFR and people are always encouraging her to keep hating on idols for literally anything and everything, i don't get why people act like she's hillarious and innovative when she speaks just like a regular kpoptwt anti
@@tolanisimpson5360True, Ajanugu is my guilty pleasure tho
@@franklin_du_boisfr she’s so funny even tho she’s so clearly loud and wrong 😭
@@tolanisimpson5360ajanugu outsold your favs
The problem with the singing ability is that SM chooses Idols who can sing and are really talented however they don't train their idols which is why a lot regress unless they seek outside training. HYBE does not focus on finding the best vocalists so after they debut if the idols themselves don't seek improvement they will regress and be worse than they already are. It's not a matter of training because everyone should realize by now that the "training" they did in rookie years is just performance practice. Being taught choreography and lyrics and then performing it back to whoever the judges are in the company. If an idol wants to ACTUALLY improve they have to go out of their way to improve. And yes part of improving is practicing but for singing (and dancing lowkey) there's a technical aspect that you can't glide by just singing songs every day that's not how it works.
Someone like Sakura who gets heavily criticized for her vocals will not just find improvement by singing live everywhere. That's gonna help her stamina but the problem lies in her actual voice, not her stability. A lot of y'all allow idols a pass if they're stable even though they still can't sing well. If an idol wants to improve they will invest in singing lessons. Sakura never had to improve her vocals before le Sserafim however now that the group is amassing more popularity and success she realized that she needs to improve her abilities which is why she recently signed up for singing lessons.
People also need to take into account that idols practice A LOT and that they go to A LOT of events. You should NOT expect them to sing live every time their companies literally work them to the bone booking gigs everywhere on top of having comebacks every few months. Yall can be understanding and realize an idol won't sing live EVERYWHERE and when they do you shouldn't JUMP at the chance to HATE on them.
Le Sserafim improved a lot in stability but they are still vocally weak. Their Coachella performance was very good the energy was up, the choreography didn't get messed up and they sang with no backtrack HOWEVER the vocals were very hit or miss. They should be praised for singing with NO backtrack while dancing because a LOT of artists don't do that but it is also okay to criticize them for not being able to sing well all the way through. They had MONTHS of practice and when the time came they fell short vocally. They should've been able to sing well throughout the performance given how much they should be practicing on a regular but don't hate on the girls they worked hard. Learn to criticise not hate.
speaking absolute facts !!
omg i love how non biased your opinion is
periodt.
they had backtrack tho
Not true Jaejong of tvxq was tone deaf and SM's training made him vocalist he is .
F(x)'s Luna was scouted for her dancing skills with training she became 2nd best female vocalist at SM
And about regressing.. it's upto idols if they wanna continue to improve or not after success and the one who seek other vocal couches may not prefer style of vocal .. Like SM had vocal couches like yoo youngjin and many others
I disagree with the part where you said training can't make idols sing good because singing is something anyone can learn with proper coaching and training. Yes I know some people are naturally good singers but the bad singers can compete them if they are given training.
I always love how you express your opinions, politely but straight to the port asw. maybe I don't agree with everything, but I def have a similar point of view as you
Ok here’s my ranking of le sserafim at coachella from best to worst
1.Chaewon: literally carried, sounded good most of the time
2.Sakura: (shockingly👀) sounded almost too stable, the backtrack must’ve been LOUD during her parts cause you couldn’t even hear her breathing once, but still…
3.Yunjin: she’s supposed to be a main vocalist but it’s always 50/50 when it comes to her. Either great or awful. No in between
4.Kazuha: usually the most stable during lives, idk what happened here
5.Eunchae: couldn’t hold a note, constantly out of breath, sounded genuinely terrible, i felt so bad for her
PEOPLE SAY KURA IS THE WORST ONE FOR SINGING LIVE WHEN EUNCHAE EXISTS, SHE LACKS SM BREATH CONTROL
@@noventanine From a singer's perspective, Kkura is still both the worst live singer and the worst singer in the group
@@iloveyouiwantyouseokmattchu SHE IS THE WORST SINGER, BUT IMO SHE CAN SING LIVE BETTER THAN EUNCHAE
@@noventanineEunchae is an overall better singer than Sakura, can you like be fr?😂
@@Maestro_Wonu I MEAN HER LIVE SINGING IS NOT GOOD CAN YOU BE FR
Thank you for the singing one. They clearly have the time for hobbies and stuff, but not to improve their vocals.
I guess if they cant sing they should just rap instead but that requires training too so... I dont know what to say.
Agree with almost everything here espthe kiss of life one. K-pop stans will listen to nxde by Gidle but then sexualize kiof by literally only valuing them for sex appeal and their concept
4:01 I BEEN SAYING THISSS
People just want to drag people a lot of people don’t care. Even on girl on twitter dragged yunjin for Starbucks but then on her page she posted a pic with Starbucks… like whattt
2:55 girl same 😭the only thing people talk about them is being grown women or debuting grown women’s when in reality they are still young. I hope this token people focus on their music and praise them for that because kiss of life is just so good to be just stereotyped under a particular title
5:40 I think it’s pretty opposite like fans are okay with queer ships but as soon they see a possibility of hetero relationships they lose their mind and start crying how it will never be true 😂 like we actually don’t know what’s happening there. And recently pharita’s reaction to yeonjun was pretty viral and people started making edits how yeonjun belongs to them or pharita belongs to her members or her fans 😂 like it was just a freaking reaction and Rita was just fangirling that too not even too hyped up but people where making sad edits and stuff had me wheezing 😂 I remember I purposely made a engene mad saying what if sunghoon and wonyoung is more than friends and she was adamant that sunghoon will never date wonyoung 🤣because his ideal type is Irene . The reason why I got mad was K-pop Stans have this weird habit of siblingifying and male and female idol ☠️like hyunjin yeji okay I understand but in what context does wonyoung and sunghoon look like siblings 😭and they were mad because someone said jangkku looks a lead couple of a vampire drama ; which in my perspective makes sense 😂 and I was really disappointed with Karina’s break up 🥲like there were so many people saying they will break up for sure and this just fits the narrative of idols doing anything to please their fans. Heterosexual or homosexual relationship I want all of the idols I Stan to be happy and if they are not interested in having any kind of relationship and that is also completely okay and it’s none of my business 😌
I just don’t want them to feel bad about loving someone 🥲
the starbucks and mc donalds thing is true but i feel like ppl have the right to be pissed e.g. yunjin saying that she wants to change the industry and then doing that is so disappointing and annoying, but hating on an idol to the point being misogynistic is crazy, ppl should take this seriously, not an oppertunity to praise or bash an idol, its disgusting really
change the industry is definitely not about starbucks lol, they have more serious problems
I've been a kiof fan since pre-debut, Haneul had just turned 18 a few months before they debuted with Shhh, I feel like so many Kissies like to the flex the fact that the members are so "cunty", "sexy" and how they're "grown women" when their youngest member was literally born in 2005 and the oldest being born in 2000
Thank you so much for speaking about that it`s not the companys fault alone that an idol can`t sing. maybe the comparison is a little bit weird but maybe it`s not but Su-Metal, the main singer of Babymetal, also started her career very early when she was a child/teenager but her voice was very good at that time but you can still hear in newer performances that her voice became even better. So i wonder why Su-Metal was able to get a even stronger voice but Sakura is a bad singer for 10 years. I slowly start to think that if she really would care about her singing ability, then she would take every chance she can get to train her vocals but i think she doesn`t do that because she`s famous enough even though she can`t sing. I like Sakura. She`s a good performer but i don`t understand why she`s a singer. I`m sorry.
When you talked about your last opinion, i immediately had to think about the Ktuber ajanugu. Her videos are simply disgusting, full of hate and insults. She hates literally every group that exists. I`m surprised that people still watch her disgusting videos.
Nah but le sserafim hate is getting out of hand. People are straight up being vile and nasty in the name of constructive criticism. Mind you eunchae is a minor too. These girls are seriously getting cyber bullied. Source music needs to do something asap cause ain't no way these young girls are getting more hate than the actual criminals. I don't stan le sserafim but feel bad for the girls.
Yall were supposed to boycott the big 4 (especially Hybe) for their support to Israel and you’re clearly not doing it. Maybe if instead of bullying idols for eating mcdonald’s french fries you actually participated in the boycott like you were supposed to do, you would do something useful!
FR
say it!
Louder
The amount of people cancelling idols for mcD and Starbucks but having no problems praising idols for still being ambassadors for designer brands that are in support of Israel or like Chanel who has an original history of being problematic.
no ones boycotting, go cry.
Ok really unpopular opinion here that most people seem to disregard: kpop and politics are two things that should not be put together. It’s just never going to work because no company will allow their idol to openly support a side as to not lose fame or popularity. It’s the harsh truth and we have no choice but to accept it. Another harsh truth is that a lot of people aren’t willing to participate in the boycott. Some people just don’t care enough and that is that. Kpop fans cancelling idols for purchasing items/subtly promoting items from boycotted brands isn’t going to help Palestine the slightest. At the same time, kpop stans also shouldn’t try to desperately trying to find "clues" that their faves support Palestine, because were probably just never going to know. If you want to support Palestine you could donate or, if you don’t have the money, you could at least spread awareness through social media apps. However, cancelling idols and even other celebrities isn’t going to do shit.
HEAVY ON OPINION 4 OMFG ppl love to pick and choose idols to drag
FINALLY someone with some common sense😭 people focus too much on private lives instead of real life problems, they just pretend to do activism but never actually do it, I deleted Insta and X bc of the hate tweets and how toxic it is, and I’ve finally opened my eyes and I have started to boycott the big 4! 😭 People just hate to hate, they just like to bully the idols atp 💀
nah fr people are actually really evil, cause I watched myself the whole le sserafim coachella performance (I also had the same opinion as yours), and you haters are really the worst people ever. yes, compared to other kpop groups who also perform in coachella, their vocals is the worst but it's not LIKE THE WORST PERFORMANCE EVER like people make it to be. seriously why tf people suddenly lost their morals when it comes to hating on female idols?? I've seen lots of people slvtshaming le sserafim, calling eunchae names WHO IS A MINOR and even asking sakura to key herself like sulli. SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?????
And the funny thing is that just a couple of moths ago everyone ADORED them, but of course whenever a hate train starts most people just blindly jump on it even if the minute before they were praising the girls like no tomorrow. Criticism about their vocals is fair, but i swear some people are taking it too far and are just having fun bullying them at this point.
@@soft4taeng THIS!!!!! there is no criticism AT ALL, all of them just pure hates and bullying. Even knetz bullying them until the tweet got 21 million views and 16 million views. Seriously istg people are so evil for no reason. I watched and listened to their performance and it's not terrible like people make it to be. They did so good at the beginning even sakura, eunchae and kazuha. They start to mess up at the last 3 songs and you can see their face that they ARE TIRED AF esp yunjin face. Even chaewon is struggling at the last song, her high note is weak. Le sserafim known for their hardcore choreo, like even in this coachella performance they reduce a lot of dancing and it's still really hard and tired af. Like bruh, even i can feel their tiredness and out of breath just by watching them
Twitter is evil bro 💀 like they didn't kill your family so stop slutshaming and telling them to kys 💀
Look at you throwing around the word evil so casually.
@@soft4taeng People are flaky like that. They enjoy raising you up and seeing you fall.
the kiss of life one makes me sad bcuz i was literally there when they were dropping teasers. i was there when sugarcoat came out. i waited excitedly for the rest of the solos up until their debut. im happy theyre popular but some of their stans need to shut up.
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im so glad these opinions are being discussed and mentioned, i literally agree with all of them. FINALLY someone said wht needs to be said ‼️
I've been watching you for two years now, and somehow I've never once disagreed with you
SAME LOL
I started watching her last year and i disagreed like only 1-3 times
I agree with all of your opinions. Nice video 👍🏽
Opinion 3:
As a Kissy, it's like people just stan them as a way to feel better than other fandoms like Baemon or new jeans (I'm a stan of both btw) and only focus on the fact that the girls are overage. It's like okay that's good but what else? They have so much talent and we don't need to ONLY focus on their age!
And KIOF isn't "better" or "different" from other girl groups, all groups have something unique about them and we can praise all groups without belittling one for something they can't control (age). Be better Kissys
Finally someone is saying it, It annoys me when an idol gets called out for their terrible vocals and everyone is quick to blame the company. Every idol knows the requirements of their job and one of the requirements is to sing. For le sserafim situation even if the company wasn't willing to give them proper lessons the girls have money and connections where they could go out and find someone themselves or pay for it. If they wanted it badly they would have found a way.
Wait a minute, i’m fully convinced Sakura either lip synced or had an extremely heavy back track even if technically coachella only allows live singing. The other girls voices sounded wobbly as they were moving and dancing but kura’s didn’t and it sounded unnatural compared to the other members.
There were some moments when you could hear her singing live but other moments made me wonder if she was somewhat lip syncing 🤔
The way I was thinking the same thing.
The backtrack was just very loud in her parts in order to help drown out her voice. Maybe they want didn’t want her to get dragged all over again for her vocals
@@Maestro_WonuOR she took the criticism like a champ and is trying to improve
@Orange_cocopuffs hope you're right!
*My thoughts on your opinions*
0:29 ikr i feel so bad for the idols it’s just uncomfortable 😣
1:28 I agree it was good and bad at the same time somewhere in the middle 😀
2:50 I agree with ur opinion I don’t have much to say😅
3:51 ye cuz like I support Palestine 🇵🇸 but boycotting isn’t popular in South Korea 🇰🇷 soo
5:04 I agree 🤐
6:13 ikr ppl criticize idols like illit and le serifim cuz of poor vocals and blame the company when it could be the idol at fault
7:00 i didn’t even know queendom puzzle was a group😭(no hate to them)
7:54 ikr it’s so hard to find good Ktubers nowadays😭✋
*so for context these r pretty good*
No because the way singing is both a passion and a talent, unlike other arts I'd say singing is the hardest thing to train someone to be good at, and with less-than-mediocre vocal training in these companies it's no wonder 50% of the industry can barely hold a note for 2 seconds. The majority of the best vocalists in the industry were already amazing before they even became a trainee, so it just goes to show how little training actually plays in K-pop.
Opinion 8: *Coughs* Everglow Up, anyone?
YOU MEAN 8⁉⁉OR 6
@@noventanine Opinion 8, my mistake.
@@tolanisimpson5360 ITS OK
@@noventanine 😊😊😊
What did everglow up do?
4.‼️imagine telling palestinians that their struggle is used in stupid hate trains and fan wars. i take the boycott very seriously and i’m failing to understand how this is helping anyone, and to be honest i don’t see a point in spending so much time “educating” idols and i don’t think it’s a waste of time because we should just give up on them or give up on spreading awareness but spending disproportionate amount of time educating idols specifically is what i think is spending too much time, like just spread awareness in general and the bigger the awareness becomes the higher the chances it will reach everyone including those idols.
I don’t think Gazans are concerned with people drinking Starbucks because it has no impact on their lives. Starbucks isn’t funding Israel.
everyone who e rejects sexual harassment of minors And calling them hot and sexy (of course doing this is disgusting and wrong) But who told you that harassing adult female idols, calling them hot and sexy, posting strange pictures, and describing them with exaggerated descriptions is normal? Apparently they just don't want to debut minors just so they can do the same thing they do with adult female idols.This is what im convinced from K-Pop fans this days.
i loved yunjin and somi but that starbucks thing disappointed me so much. although id never hate tbh.
Why did people even think illits mv was sexual??? Nothing about it seemed sexual y'all are just weirdos
What you said was true fans now is like controlling idols and simple comment they think it defame value of their idol im kpop fan since superjunior but i gave up due to modern fans are irrelevant already old fans are good for me.
ate as per usual
Opinion 5:
YES, I SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY!!!!
It's like it's inherently homophobic to act as if it's only wrong to assume someone's sexuality, when it's a non-heterosexual sexuality! Like being gay and other sexualities are normal, why act like it's bad for idols to maybe be gay? Just be respectful of idols
And it’s international fans who are focused on there age Koreans fans are just focus on there talents and live performances because its something that the kpop industry as been lacking in a few years
Ls did great better vocally in the beginning but they kept the momentum ❤
Also, the youngest member hasn't even become the legal Korean age 19 yet. But people are praising them for being grown woman or 18+. Yes, maybe in your country where (probably) 18 is the legal age, but not in Korea. It's 19 lol.
For the ktubers opinion u have to be talking about sultry films cus ain’t no way
She's probably talking about btsforever2013 aswell
@@Staniel-NewJeans_Rii7e theyre not even that bad they just report wdym
OPINION 5 IS SO REALL
9: some of you discarded vegetables don’t know what actual live vocals sounds like and it SHOWS
also another opinion ktubers are OBSESSED with staning nugu groups to the point they dont give living fuck if music is good or not
Opinion 8....any kpop tuber that does an OPINION video wants to start fights. Yeah that means you.
The last opinion made me like this video 🤫
I have a mad respect for you at this point I agree with you at everything you just spitted.
I hate people hating idols for just buying coffee from some brand supporting Israel or Palestine but the only thing is.. No body is innocent in the war. It is just a waste of resources, money etc for some land of religious purposes which is a shitty thing. If ya'll want to stop the war, please do not support either side, just let them mind their own business, please be in the favour of ending the war with peace, not hatred, be neutral, supporting either side is a waste of time, can't you just think of ending it with a peace flag from both the countries. This world is a family consisting of different countries, and if two members in this family is fighting then we all the remaining members are the ones whose responsibility to end the conflict by peace and a solution with benefitting both of them
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And about Sakura, Its true she debuted 3-4 times in j pop and K pop but her vocal quality degraded time to time. She was an icon in J pop, because her vocals were trained to sing like it, people and these fvking companies just vote and debut those who are popular not them who have the real talent. I must say Le sserafim's dancing style is amazing but the vocals lack, except eunchae and yunjin. Also the fact Sakura's vocals were great in IZ*one but in Le sserafim her vocals are literally sound like someone Novice singing.
Eunchae...? Do you mean Chaewon? No hate to Eunchae but I don't think anyone would claim she is vocally carrying LE SSERAFIM. Certainly not over Chaewon.
@@overthinkingkpop Yeah its chaewon
finally someone wrote this about israel and palestine. I'm tired of everyone acting like it's a football match and they have to cheer for the war
opinion 3....who are you to tell us why we like or not like a group and what we want to talk about concerning that group? Suffering from a case of main character syndrome I see.
Opinion 8:
OMG YES. Don't even get be started on how some of them are about not liking an idol for a trivial reason! Oh, you don't like Ahyeon vocal tone? That's fine but saying she can't sing or just borderline hate comments is crazy. Oh you don't like This song from said group? That's fine but saying they're untalented or need to disband is crazy. You and other k-tuber are very constructive with criticism but others are just there to be an Internet asshole.
6:50 yeah i disagree everyone can learn how to sing some just take longer than others
Kiss of life is praised in korea for theyre live performances and theyre amazing music but why bring babymonster in this they come from a big company ofc there gonna be more popular and kiss of life never said they had a grown mature concept if you actually took the time to watch there interview they said there conecpt is about freedom thats why they dont have a specific genre of music every comback its all different just like the solos
Opinion 7....I agree.
EARLYYY
Opinion 2...Lesserfim was horrible at cochella. Its not being a hater is just being honest. They are a visual based group...not a singing group. its ok. They get by on sex appeal and thats ok.
You are 100% Correct 👍
People don't know that Starbucks are not associated with Starbucks America. So they aren't really doing anything bad from buying from Starbucks
Starbucks Korea may be owned by the same people who own the shinsaege department store but they still pay their royalties to the main branch since they use the original name, style of marketing & layout of the products. So technically, the amount of money they pay royalties still get distributed two the main branch. The main problem with SB is how much oqf a zionist its owner is (american branch) & how they rightfully mistreated their staffs who supports Palestine.
@@cattosakamotto yeah, but I heard Starbucks Korea isn't affiliated with Starbucks America
@@cattosakamottoStarbucks’s money doesn’t go to Israel.
I agree heavily with All of these🫶
The only things I have to say are about Opinions 6 & 7
6. It’s really unfortunate that the lack of Vocalists have been declining, I agree that it always isn’t the companies fault but they put themselves in the position and set themselves up for the future issues cause they are the ones picking the members who will be part of whatever group they decide to make. I also partially agree that regardless of how much an Idol practices to sing there sometimes can’t be certain changes, but growth is possible, they just need to find their weak points and be aware of them in order to grow as a vocalist.
7. I agree that Queendom Puzzle did everyone no favors, however I partially disagree about Queendom being a waste of time, in any case yes it didn’t give any group a ticket to stardom, but the groups did gain some exposure for their stages and in a way it did bring more attention to certain groups, so in a way Queendom was somewhat helpful. However Queendom Puzzle was really poorly thought out, on paper the idea sounded great, but you need to do more than just picking members from different groups to be apart of something, it was kinda like the same with Girls Feverse :(
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Harsh, in your face, honest opinion: The robotic AI voice needs to go.
HAHAHAHA LMAO THIS JUST MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD
the "controversy" about illit's music video reminds me of when kpop stans tried to do something similar with ETA by newjeans last year and they full on believed that newjeans were supporting t3rrorism... gosh
heavy on kiof !! wdym “grown women” and “c*nty concept” the youngest is literally 18?? 🤺
i agree with all tbh
opinion 4...The only way to support palestine is to go over there and fight. other than that its just empty virtue signaling. All of you who actaully care about this needs lives. Focus on your own country and stop being mad at the internet. Everyone on this post has been to mcdonalds and star bucks more than once this past month. Stop with the fake out rage.
Hybe groups lack vocals cause hybe focus on dance and visuals more i see more abs praise than their vocals
can someone tell me who is the group performing at opinion 8 ?
it's tripleS Evolution and the song is called Invincible
@@soft4taeng thanks!
Please STOP including politics and Palestine into Kpop music. Idols are supposed to bring us fun and entertainment. They are not politicians or activists. Besides: there are 2 sides committing violence towards citizens in that conflict. Stop putting Kpop idols up with serious conflicts and forcing them to echo your opinion
03:57 PREEEEEEEACH 🙏🏻
The kiof opinion!!!!!! Louder!!!
1. AGREE SM, BUT COOKIE ISNT EVEN S3XUAL TBH, THE LYRICS IS JUST OKAY I THINK SOME PPL ARE DIRTY MINDED
LMAO WTF IS S3XUAL IN MAGNETIC, ITS A CUTE SONG
2. I DIDNT WATCH IT, I ONLY WATCHED ATEEZ PERFORMANCES CUZ THEYRE MY ULT GROUP
3. I HATE KIOF SM IM SORRY BUT THEYRE OVERRATED, THEIR SONGS ARENT EVEN THAT GOOD
THEY ARE NOT EVEN THAT TALENTED, IM SORRY BUT THATS TRUE
4. REAL‼‼THEY SHOULD EDUCATE THE IDOLS JUST LIKE ENGENES WITH JAKE, BUT TBH ITS RUDE FOR THE IDOLS TO CASUALLY DRINK FROM STARBUCKS AND EAT FROM MCDONALDS WHEN CHILDREN ARE BEING KILL3D IN PALESTINE, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK THAT THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GENOCIDE HAPPENING IN PALESTINE
5. AGREE SM
6. IM 50-50 WITH THIS ONE, LIKE ITS THE COMPANY'S FAULT FOR NOT TRAINING THEIR VOCALS AND DEBUTING IDOLS WITH BAD VOCALS, AT THE SAME TIME I THINK IT'S THE IDOLS' FAULT
7. IDK ABOUT THIS
8. REAL
you can't hate kiof just because you don't like their songs tho...
@@laissa9372 I CAN, I HATE BOTH THEIR MUSIC AND THE MEMBERS SO-
why are you always screaming...
@@noventanine stop screaming gosh and why would you hate them for no reason?? hate is a BIG word- i understand for julie but the others??
@@laissa9372 SCREAMING⁉⁉WHEN DID I SCREAM AND THEY ARE ALL THE SAME EITHER JULIE OR NATTY OR THE OTHER TWO
I HATE THEM BECAUSE I HATE THEIR PERSONALITIES AND BOLDNESS