i really wish Denon became the actual standard. Don't get me wrong, i do own some Pioneer stuff as well, but they're way behind concerning the media players imo
Haha, look how long it takes for that waveform to be built upon selection. Damn, Denon really are miles ahead in terms of getting the most out of their MPU. By the way, I say that as a CDJ3000 & SC6000M owner. In other words, I am saying that objectively. And, being that the CDJ's connection is hardwired (ethernet) vs. Denon's options of being either hardwired or done through WiFi, speaks volumes about how slow Pioneer's implementation is. They clearly have not optimized their superior (dual-ARM) MPU at all. Get it together, Alpha Theta!! But, I will admit the Rekordbox "Professional" features are a step ahead, albeit at a subscription-based cost premium.
waveform and all metadata gets saved to the USB stick or you can pre-analyse in rekordbox + add hot cues/loops/etc. there that are instantly available in the players then when you load a track.
@@risquedjyou are 100% on…engine DJ is a work of art. Might not survive (like NEXT) but it’s a work of art from design through maintenance and function.
So so complicated at every step. The lack of WiFi on the players is a massive error. Having to pay a subscription for Rekordbox on the flagship player just to do analysis on cloud based tunes is criminal
@@sgtcreasegrease And why would they? The CDJ 3000 offers the best sound quality of any media player on the market and 95% of touring DJs use Rekordbox or iTunes to organise their music and they ALL export using Rekordbox. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Engine DJ has a better music management solution. It just doesn't.
@@leesinthemix My man, I didn't say they couldn't improve, I'm just saying in a lot of ways they offer a more fully-featured product than Pioneer at a fraction of the price. And why wouldn't you want them to be more successful? Competition is good for everyone. And idk about you but for all the people that use rekordbox I also see a lot of mfs routinely complaining about it. People use it because as of now CDJs are the industry standard player in most venues and clubs, and personally I think that's more down to cult bullshit than anything.
@@sgtcreasegrease I never said anything about Engine DJ not being able to improve in the future either, simply pointing out that at this moment in time (and since it was released), it is not considered as reliable or fully featured as Rekordbox, for MUSIC LIBRARY MANAGEMENT. Pioneer are the industry standard, because like I said 99% of DJs request 2000nxs2s or 3000s on their riders, because they use Rekordbox to organise and export their tunes, it's as simple as that. Been working in venues for 15 years and I've never seen a single Denon product on a technical or performance rider. It's 1210s or Pioneer.
I'm a Beatport Streaming user, this is where most of my music comes from including playing in clubs (HID Performance mode with laptop currently). On the surface, this is great progress, finally. However, the $$ extraction by Pioneer by pay walling the library sharing between RB and the CDJ through their Cloud subscription is infuriating. They built the capability to share the meta data (that's how it does it via cloud sync) but wouldn't let you do that through your USB stick. Mental.. Secondly, lack of offline locker support on the USB is going to make this unusable in so many smaller clubs that don't have the Internet access set up in the booth. Looks like I'll continue with using laptop in HID mode for foreseeable future for gigs
It's their business model sadly, but what I can't understand is why there is a pay wall for people who OWN CDJ3000s. Obviously they want to charge touring DJs through the nose for using their service live in clubs, but there should at the very least be a way to unlock this feature, with a licence key for owning your own CDJ3000s, which you authenticate with your USB/SD card. They would sell TONS more with this method.
Great video as usual. Denon DJ is still years ahead, but what I do like is Pioneer's move to incorporate the prep of streaming playlists on desktop. This is the ONE thing missing from Denon DJ's ecosystem. Denon adds this and it will be game over.
Still lacking behind Denon… not featuring Tidal is a big let down… however, I do understand that companies behind the scenes are in bed together and when you look at pretty much any videos of DJs in clubs or at festivals they all seem to have CDJ3000s or Nexus 2s, so for Beatport to be the supplier of streaming music seems perfectly natural. It makes a demarcation between “Club standard” and everything else. I’d love to see Numark, Rane & Denon in club booths but the riders of many DJs stipulate Pioneer kit as that’s what ecosystem almost all club DJs know. I would like to see how many clubs have non Pioneer kit… as always, great video Mojaxx!
Not the seamless experience that it honestly should be. Ideally all you would have to do is sign in on the players and you are able to just analyze and sort without all they extra preparation with the computer and connected through wifi.
Having been let down so many times by the promises of promoters I've been shaped in to being a pessimist in my adult life. I don't like using laptops for gig's as always fear a random bluescreen crash or some technical fault during a forced windows update during a set, so like to just rely on the CDJ's or all-in-one unit i'm using. So the thought of having to rely on the venues wifi/internet fills me with such dread that i'd have a hard time doing this in a live club environment. But certainly would struggle at an outdoor festival too where internet is hard enough on your phone - but that's just me & wouldn't want to use this at home & become reliant on it only to fail out in the wild. In a controlled environment then this is great tech....just a shame Pioneer are so late to the party with it. Would be fascinating to find out how many full time DJ's would be happy to rely on this. Also surprised this has come as a free update & not bolted on to their next player with a £200 increase.....'cause Pioneer
You don't need to rely on it as your only media source. you can still use it with your usb stick as well. this gives you the flexibility to grab music/playlists that might not be on that usb stick you brought to the gig
In the video Pioneer needs around 30 seconds to load and analyze the track, I counted the time for Denon from another live video and it needs around 12 seconds, great peace of tech Pioneer, Denon was using WI-FI, it loaded and analyze the track in less than half of time. I would not pay more than 800 EUR for those players
Patiently waiting for that A9 firmware update that will allow its WiFi to connectivity to share streaming data to CDJ3000s over LAN.... I'm sure it's right around the corner.
Seems like having to log in on the device will be annoying for club DJs. I was hoping to see that authorizing the usb would be enough for beatport without username and password
I would definitely like to see that as an option in future, even if it just applied to users who have a suitable Rekordbox plan. It works so well with Cloud Direct Play already.
Best part of this is for Beatport first mover. I’d love to see BP get a second life and while this implementation is meh, those lags aren’t going to cut it and likely not their fault, but will hopefully get them positioned on all these products. 🖤🙌😎 fun times
It's wonderful that CDJs can stream music now but it feels so weird having that option without built in wifi. Hopefully we will see a MkII revision with that feature soon enough.
Yeah in like 4 years, It'll cost $5500 each and you'll have to paid for the rekordbox subscription, for one music streaming service, that you also have pay for.....
Why? Clubs will always go for the hardwired option and like Mojaxx says, just plug the players into a WAP and you'll have a more stable connection that any WiFi unit in the media player. Do you think schools and offices use BT Home Hubs and WiFi discs to connect all their devices?
But it isnt possible to store beatport tracks offline and them play them back on a cdj 3000? I mean yes i do have an internet connection but i just dont feel comfortable relying on it.
Not gonna lie that looks outstanding and might just be the push I needed to get onboard with Beatport streaming. If a venue has decks hardwired to the internet speeds should be proper speedy as well.
I mean it's good in a way... but it feels overcomplicated, expensive and like a lot of small hacks strung together just because the players don't have wifi built in
Pioneer make good products but their lack of dedication to software has cost them dearly hence why I am a denon customer and not a pioneer customer, attitudes to gear are changing not all venues are seeking to buy expensive gear in fact i have noticed smaller venues provide the sound system but dj’s bring their own decks. Whilst it is good Pioneer has added some streaming it is 3 years too late and not even with the Apple-esq quality of taking their time to do it better than everyone else the fact the CDJ 3000s were made without a built in hub is an oversight in my view
So clubs are going to have Ethernet network for plugging in internet box? Cuz I never went to one club or bar that was accommodated for this as of yet!
Great video as usual! But I am sorry the Denon DJ SC6000 is still way ahead of this. No USB needed, Internal SSD, several caching options, faster analysis, integrated Wi-Fi!
Will this work when i use 2 cdj 3000 and a xdj xz in the middle as a „mixer“? I mean the xdj has 2 link ports and an „extension“ port so it should work?
I haven’t tried it but in theory, yes. Any devices which aren’t 3000s won’t be able to access streaming, but will still be part of the Pro DJ Link network.
I love the set. I have the same and I have not regretted the investment for a second. Four band mixing sold/spoiled me totally. Anyway... I was wondering, why the waveforms and tags from Beatbort are not stored. I had a RB pro subscription for quite a while, but I hated Dropbox so I ditched it. Beatport tracks load super fast. Having to sing in every time I turn on the players is annoying though (I have a strong PW I can't remember). The credentials could be stored on my SD card. Who shares their media anyway? Cheers. BTW: TP-Link has a pocket wifi client that works like a charm and costs like 20 bucks...
After reading the Beatport streaming Terms and condition, it says "5. Prohibited Use of Beatport Streaming Content streamed with your Streaming subscription is intended for your personal use only. Use of Streaming for public performance purposes will require additional licensing, which is not included as part of your subscription." If I understood right, Beatport streaming is only for own personal use, not for Djing in public venues.
@@djstuc Not very wise to just ignore it, but probably most venues having a DJ would be licensed for public performance. Whether that license allows use of streamed music is another matter though.
The same conditions apply to all music, legally purchased or streamed. You aren’t buying the rights to perform it in public, each country has their own performing rights societies which venues must pay in order to allow those rights.
Question: in my experience Rekordbox gets beat grids wrong 20~30% of the time, and bpm wrong around 1~2% of the time. Will this be the same streaming from Beatport or is there something in metadata from Beatport that provides accurate information every time? Loading up a track only to have it quantize off beat/phrase and/or with incorrect bpm would be a massive hassle to fix during a performance.
@@djstuc I use both, and although Rekordbox is far from perfect, it’s definitely still better than Engine. Engine has improved considerably, but I’m still getting 30~40% incorrect beatgrid/bpm info on analysis. Additionally, Engine gets key info wrong MUCH more often than Rekordbox.
@@djstuc I’m not really down to argue on the internet about which music organization software is best. If Rekordbox is you jam, great. If Engine floats your boat, awesome. If iTunes is your go to, more power to you. There’s no right or wrong answer here, only what works best for you. 🤙🏾
From my testing the analysis is identical to that found in the Rekordbox software. Delivering grids via Beatport/Beatsource would be amazing, but each platform handles them so differently, I don’t think it’s ever likely to happen. And I agree with other comments that RB analysis is generally far superior to Engine’s.
@@Mojaxx Cheers mate, thanks for the heads up. For better and for worse definitely something to consider as part of the whole package. Appreciate the reply.
What if you already have a playlist with Beatport tracks on your rekordbox thumbdrive? will it skip the analyze step, and all the cue points available? *nevermind.... need rekordbox subscription...
I totally get why people would want to pay a subscription and stream however I’m old Skool , I buy my tracks and play them to my audience, nothing stopping the guy next to liking a track in my set then quickly searching it and bang he’s got it too for next to nothing. If I’m the producer I’m making practically zero cash from that situation I could go on but you’ve heard it all a thousand times . As for the 3000’s I much preferred physical buttons than a touch screen , in an outside gig it’s no fun in the sun plus I’m using stems so much now the 3000 isn’t worth it’s huge price tag .
@@djstuc cutting my teeth on the wedding scene I totally see the appeal of the ‘ won’t get caught out’ for events and those dodgy requests but in reality how many do you actually get at a gig that that any pro wouldn’t already have ? 1-4 ? If that’s worth the subscription fee then yes but the way this is all being pushed it seems more for the bedroom dj who don’t want to spend on a record collection and just play what’s hot , my friend has tidal as well as a substantial collection of music from years of DJing but he’s also paying out for a Wi-Fi box ti take to gigs !!
money money money......how much is the cost of the beatport subscription montly or yearly? I wouldn't trust having to rely on an internet connection! if there were problems with the network what do you do, people don't dance?
Beatport streaming should be more for discovery than performance. Test out tracks to play before actually purchasing them. Even with all the advancements that Denon have made w' reguard to streaming, I still don't think that performance streaming is solid enough to be completely reliable. But, as a discovery tool, hell yeah, it's great! That said, these companies are definitely pushing the innovations forward, and I imagine one day it will day be identical w' mixing from vinyl or USBs.
So if you have a CDJ3000 and hook it up to someone else’s setup, yours will also have access to beatport? What if you remove your player from their network and take it back home to yours? Beatport no longer available?
If you log in to one player, then your account is available on the other linked players. When you remove your drive and go home, nobody else can access the service as you’re then logged out.
That's on you dude lol. There's already another stand alone for almost half the price that lets you stream tidal, SoundCloud, and beatport. Don't get upset at pioneer when they are acting like pioneer. I'm sure it'll eventually get that update though if we're being honest
They way this should have worked is that you could store your beatport offline locker on a Rekordbox USB and use built-in wifi on the player simply to authenticate your account. Anything less than that seems super clunky. I usually use CDJs in two scenarios. Both are horrible for this implementation. Scenario 1: I'm at a club and they are installed. The chance that whoever installed them has this set up correct is so low that I would just expect it not to work. Scenario 2: My friends and I set up CDJs for a one-off event in a location that will be a nightmare to run a hardwired internet connection to.
Can't get over the fact that CDJ 3000's still can't play MP4 files..... Given the SC5000's can. Real hassle for DJ's who play video at some venues and then go to play on CDJ's as we can't use half our library.
It is to slow for digital crate digging and discovering new music; I still don’t see the advantages of streaming music like this, over traditional crate digging, buying and importing music into rekordbox
Raising the standard? With this complicated sequence of being able to stream??? 😂😂😂 DENON DJ ALL THE WAY…I want to battle and challenge any pioneer user on this forum to come and go against me back to back while you use your CDJs and I’ll even leave my SC6000s out of it, I’ll battle you with my mini prime go and smash you
Stupid money for old streaming technology. Bring back the days of streaming direct from Spotify playlists with the bpm, key and waveform ready to go! (That was in Djay Pro about 4 years ago!)
£36 for a Professional Rekordbox subscription $29.99 for a Professional Beatport subscription Pathetic. How are up and coming DJs (3-4 gigs a month) supposed to justify such an expense? Especially if you've already spunked £4.5k on a pair of 3000s, because you want to futureproof your craft and be on top of your game.
After watching this man…thank the lord I went Denon Dj…pioneer now sucks…it’s true it sucks. Denon is the new standard. Every dog has its day and pioneer had a fantastic run but now Denon have smashed them. Yeah yeah pioneer are in the clubs industry standard rubbish. Pls don’t hit me with that nonsense. Any DJ that’s a real Dj can play on anything regardless of what’s ‘standard’
Sorry, but there is actual competition to CDJs now, so obviously anytime either company brings out a feature it is going to get compared to the other. That's just how it's going to be going forward. I own both, so I can appreciate the healthy competition/discourse surrounding the subject. Perhps you should reframe your thinking. With competition, the consumer wins out in the end. The ONLY reason you are seeing CDJs support streaming is because Denon did it first. In fact, there are several features that Pioneer have been forced to adopt because Denon had done it first, and as a result, have stolen marketshare from Pioneer. This is a good thing.
Not triggered at all. I was just explaining why peeps comment the way they do. It's going to be like this going forward whether you like it or not. I am impartial. I own both..... i.ibb.co/QrPx8vz/Current-Setups.jpg
I play a wider variety of music than I ever have before, thanks to streaming! Because now I have access to EVERYTHING, and I take full advantage of that. For the two years I was doing my PROGREZZ show on twitch, I played entirely new music every single week - because I could. Lazy DJs gonna lazy, whatever tools you give them. But for those who love to dig, streaming is the dream.
@@Mojaxx true. but on the other hand you get dj's like that hannah who clearly just plays whatever is being served to her on the beatport dish. it's making it really easy for these pay to win types.
@richardturpin3665 the same thing was said when labels started commercially selling records in volume at record shops. Then the same thing was said when CDs became a thing. Believe it or not, the EXACT same thing was said when iTunes, Beatport, Juno, etc brought music downloads to the mainstream. And now, of course it’s being said about streaming as well. Access to popular music is only 1 of the many pieces to the “individual original DJ” pie. There’s so, sooooo many additional ways to differentiate yourself and your music from the masses. Anyone that relies only/mostly on top 10 lists to be a “good DJ” is definitely in the lazy/underperforming DJ category.
Good for pioneer. I really want denon to make a dent and I want pioneer to also exceed. More options and competition is good for us consumers. Can’t wait for CDJ-4000 with wifi 🥲
i really wish Denon became the actual standard. Don't get me wrong, i do own some Pioneer stuff as well, but they're way behind concerning the media players imo
Brand new denon standalone being released in a few days… way more advanced than pioneer
@@Belfasttintinprime 4 plus?
Haha, look how long it takes for that waveform to be built upon selection. Damn, Denon really are miles ahead in terms of getting the most out of their MPU.
By the way, I say that as a CDJ3000 & SC6000M owner. In other words, I am saying that objectively. And, being that the CDJ's connection is hardwired (ethernet) vs. Denon's options
of being either hardwired or done through WiFi, speaks volumes about how slow Pioneer's implementation is. They clearly have not optimized their superior (dual-ARM) MPU at all.
Get it together, Alpha Theta!! But, I will admit the Rekordbox "Professional" features are a step ahead, albeit at a subscription-based cost premium.
waveform and all metadata gets saved to the USB stick or you can pre-analyse in rekordbox + add hot cues/loops/etc. there that are instantly available in the players then when you load a track.
You should have a look at how fast Denon decks build the waveform/metadata via WiFi (not hardwired ethernet), and then you'll understand my point.
@@risquedj Love my SC6000s
@@risquedjyou are 100% on…engine DJ is a work of art. Might not survive (like NEXT) but it’s a work of art from design through maintenance and function.
No shit
God. I hope Beatport's streaming API is faster than their website.
I stream a lot on my denon and it’s fast. The website is so slow though lmao
Think they've upgraded it in the last few weeks, seems much faster.
each pionner vid make people llike denon more
So so complicated at every step. The lack of WiFi on the players is a massive error. Having to pay a subscription for Rekordbox on the flagship player just to do analysis on cloud based tunes is criminal
Denon needs to take over. The problem is, like with the technics 1200, the industry won't hop off of Pioneer's balls.
@@sgtcreasegrease And why would they? The CDJ 3000 offers the best sound quality of any media player on the market and 95% of touring DJs use Rekordbox or iTunes to organise their music and they ALL export using Rekordbox.
You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Engine DJ has a better music management solution. It just doesn't.
@@leesinthemix My man, I didn't say they couldn't improve, I'm just saying in a lot of ways they offer a more fully-featured product than Pioneer at a fraction of the price.
And why wouldn't you want them to be more successful? Competition is good for everyone.
And idk about you but for all the people that use rekordbox I also see a lot of mfs routinely complaining about it. People use it because as of now CDJs are the industry standard player in most venues and clubs, and personally I think that's more down to cult bullshit than anything.
@@sgtcreasegrease I never said anything about Engine DJ not being able to improve in the future either, simply pointing out that at this moment in time (and since it was released), it is not considered as reliable or fully featured as Rekordbox, for MUSIC LIBRARY MANAGEMENT.
Pioneer are the industry standard, because like I said 99% of DJs request 2000nxs2s or 3000s on their riders, because they use Rekordbox to organise and export their tunes, it's as simple as that.
Been working in venues for 15 years and I've never seen a single Denon product on a technical or performance rider. It's 1210s or Pioneer.
I'm a Beatport Streaming user, this is where most of my music comes from including playing in clubs (HID Performance mode with laptop currently). On the surface, this is great progress, finally.
However, the $$ extraction by Pioneer by pay walling the library sharing between RB and the CDJ through their Cloud subscription is infuriating. They built the capability to share the meta data (that's how it does it via cloud sync) but wouldn't let you do that through your USB stick. Mental..
Secondly, lack of offline locker support on the USB is going to make this unusable in so many smaller clubs that don't have the Internet access set up in the booth.
Looks like I'll continue with using laptop in HID mode for foreseeable future for gigs
metadata is also be stored on the usb stick after first use you use to authenticate even if you don't have the pioneer subscriptions
HID mode with laptop is definitely the way to go.
@@matthewfriedman5010 but only after first use? But won't sync from RB to the stick after?
It's their business model sadly, but what I can't understand is why there is a pay wall for people who OWN CDJ3000s.
Obviously they want to charge touring DJs through the nose for using their service live in clubs, but there should at the very least be a way to unlock this feature, with a licence key for owning your own CDJ3000s, which you authenticate with your USB/SD card.
They would sell TONS more with this method.
Great video as usual. Denon DJ is still years ahead, but what I do like is Pioneer's move to incorporate the prep of streaming playlists on desktop. This is the ONE thing missing from Denon DJ's ecosystem. Denon adds this and it will be game over.
This is my biggest issue with the prime / engine systems. We need significantly improved playlist / song management on the hardware.
You're the man!!!! This could be good for some? I'm not about subscription services personally.
And only 4 years after Denon introduced it in the Prime 4 🤣
and still not as good of an implementation lol
Welcome to DENON 🎉
Still lacking behind Denon… not featuring Tidal is a big let down… however, I do understand that companies behind the scenes are in bed together and when you look at pretty much any videos of DJs in clubs or at festivals they all seem to have CDJ3000s or Nexus 2s, so for Beatport to be the supplier of streaming music seems perfectly natural. It makes a demarcation between “Club standard” and everything else. I’d love to see Numark, Rane & Denon in club booths but the riders of many DJs stipulate Pioneer kit as that’s what ecosystem almost all club DJs know. I would like to see how many clubs have non Pioneer kit… as always, great video Mojaxx!
User sc6000 here! Just went on to laugh a little kkkkkkkkkkk😅😅😅😅😅
do SC6000 users require a pioneer Advanced Professional Kuvo montly paypiggy tax subscription to stream higher quality music?
@@badslipmatsnope just standard beatport account and a sc6000
Not the seamless experience that it honestly should be. Ideally all you would have to do is sign in on the players and you are able to just analyze and sort without all they extra preparation with the computer and connected through wifi.
Having been let down so many times by the promises of promoters I've been shaped in to being a pessimist in my adult life. I don't like using laptops for gig's as always fear a random bluescreen crash or some technical fault during a forced windows update during a set, so like to just rely on the CDJ's or all-in-one unit i'm using. So the thought of having to rely on the venues wifi/internet fills me with such dread that i'd have a hard time doing this in a live club environment. But certainly would struggle at an outdoor festival too where internet is hard enough on your phone - but that's just me & wouldn't want to use this at home & become reliant on it only to fail out in the wild.
In a controlled environment then this is great tech....just a shame Pioneer are so late to the party with it. Would be fascinating to find out how many full time DJ's would be happy to rely on this. Also surprised this has come as a free update & not bolted on to their next player with a £200 increase.....'cause Pioneer
You don't need to rely on it as your only media source. you can still use it with your usb stick as well. this gives you the flexibility to grab music/playlists that might not be on that usb stick you brought to the gig
In the video Pioneer needs around 30 seconds to load and analyze the track, I counted the time for Denon from another live video and it needs around 12 seconds, great peace of tech Pioneer, Denon was using WI-FI, it loaded and analyze the track in less than half of time. I would not pay more than 800 EUR for those players
Pioneer trickle feeding the community at overpriced rates is disgusting. Thank God Rane and Denon
Patiently waiting for that A9 firmware update that will allow its WiFi to connectivity to share streaming data to CDJ3000s over LAN.... I'm sure it's right around the corner.
interesting you say this - i never updated out the box
@@djstuc that is the joke 🔥🔥
On another note. What happened you stopped uploading i used to watch and subbed to your page ?
exactly! How you been Christian???
has this happened yet?
Would love to see Beatsource added
People mentioned no wifi capabilities, but I can't imagine wifi being reliable in a festival/club setting
I've performed using my own phone's 4G which worked marvelously. Never use it as only source though.
Seems like having to log in on the device will be annoying for club DJs. I was hoping to see that authorizing the usb would be enough for beatport without username and password
I would definitely like to see that as an option in future, even if it just applied to users who have a suitable Rekordbox plan. It works so well with Cloud Direct Play already.
This was THE caveat of the CDJ-3k, mint feature, this.
yeah but u need rekordbox plan for hq files
beatsource for sure must be integrated!
Best part of this is for Beatport first mover. I’d love to see BP get a second life and while this implementation is meh, those lags aren’t going to cut it and likely not their fault, but will hopefully get them positioned on all these products. 🖤🙌😎 fun times
Subscription subscription subscription sounds like a perpetual cash cow to me🤔
camelot key is a must
It's wonderful that CDJs can stream music now but it feels so weird having that option without built in wifi. Hopefully we will see a MkII revision with that feature soon enough.
Yeah in like 4 years, It'll cost $5500 each and you'll have to paid for the rekordbox subscription, for one music streaming service, that you also have pay for.....
@@commodore_ruiz4015 sticking with denon for that very reason :)
@@lucasmaia8315 same here 😁
Why? Clubs will always go for the hardwired option and like Mojaxx says, just plug the players into a WAP and you'll have a more stable connection that any WiFi unit in the media player. Do you think schools and offices use BT Home Hubs and WiFi discs to connect all their devices?
@@leesinthemix wired is objectively faster, but not having the option to use wifi kind of sucks
Traktor has been missing the remix field right up until this day, curious if Pioneer will actually fix it.
But it isnt possible to store beatport tracks offline and them play them back on a cdj 3000? I mean yes i do have an internet connection but i just dont feel comfortable relying on it.
i do find it funny 3000 users need a subscription it's pretty gross
Well well well, industry standard huh? I don’t think they’re gonna keep that status at this rate
Not gonna lie that looks outstanding and might just be the push I needed to get onboard with Beatport streaming. If a venue has decks hardwired to the internet speeds should be proper speedy as well.
excuse me crowd can you log off of the 4g I'm trying to play a set here and ur limiting my download speed thanks
Dude ur looking great!
that 8 seconds wait when u press myplaylist is cool kinda like a brigde or an epic EDM drop
Heard your voice and thought I was going to hear a Did You Know the History of Parcnips lol
Do you see this capability being delivered to the XDJ-RX3 unit? They both have the same UI.
This is impossible because the RX3 hadn't got the Link port or any network connectivity. I do own the RX3 and I wish it was possible.
Can you do this with the opus ?
I mean it's good in a way... but it feels overcomplicated, expensive and like a lot of small hacks strung together just because the players don't have wifi built in
10:44 what button are you pressing to skip through the track here?
Pioneer make good products but their lack of dedication to software has cost them dearly hence why I am a denon customer and not a pioneer customer, attitudes to gear are changing not all venues are seeking to buy expensive gear in fact i have noticed smaller venues provide the sound system but dj’s bring their own decks. Whilst it is good Pioneer has added some streaming it is 3 years too late and not even with the Apple-esq quality of taking their time to do it better than everyone else the fact the CDJ 3000s were made without a built in hub is an oversight in my view
So clubs are going to have Ethernet network for plugging in internet box? Cuz I never went to one club or bar that was accommodated for this as of yet!
Also, got another question. Can you use Beatsource stand alone like Beatport link? Or do you need to have a laptop plugged in and rekordbox running?
Great video as usual! But I am sorry the Denon DJ SC6000 is still way ahead of this. No USB needed, Internal SSD, several caching options, faster analysis, integrated Wi-Fi!
Preview a track before downloading it from beatport to the CDJ 3000. When will that happen?
I have 2 CDJ3000s and 2 CDJ900s. Is it possible, whilst using rekordbox integration, to send those beatport link tracks to CDJ900 as well?
Will this work when i use 2 cdj 3000 and a xdj xz in the middle as a „mixer“?
I mean the xdj has 2 link ports and an „extension“ port so it should work?
I haven’t tried it but in theory, yes. Any devices which aren’t 3000s won’t be able to access streaming, but will still be part of the Pro DJ Link network.
Ain't no way I am using beatport, this is the slowest website ever build
interesting, thanks for sharing
he is right, the website (ever since its redesign) is sluggish and buggy, many errors too when entering via google results (404 or 405)
Did they solve problems with grid drifting?
I love the set. I have the same and I have not regretted the investment for a second. Four band mixing sold/spoiled me totally. Anyway... I was wondering, why the waveforms and tags from Beatbort are not stored. I had a RB pro subscription for quite a while, but I hated Dropbox so I ditched it. Beatport tracks load super fast. Having to sing in every time I turn on the players is annoying though (I have a strong PW I can't remember). The credentials could be stored on my SD card. Who shares their media anyway? Cheers.
BTW: TP-Link has a pocket wifi client that works like a charm and costs like 20 bucks...
I keep getting "failed to connect to Beatport" .... so it begins lol
Wifi is the way too go. This has too many steps.
Beatsource coming soon??
After reading the Beatport streaming Terms and condition, it says
"5. Prohibited Use of Beatport Streaming
Content streamed with your Streaming subscription is intended for your personal use only. Use of Streaming for public performance purposes will require additional licensing, which is not included as part of your subscription."
If I understood right, Beatport streaming is only for own personal use, not for Djing in public venues.
@@djstuc Not very wise to just ignore it, but probably most venues having a DJ would be licensed for public performance. Whether that license allows use of streamed music is another matter though.
@@djstuc ok, but it looks strange how it's promoted in this video talking about using it in public venues officially.
@@djstuc Just because you've never heard of it doesn't make it right to just ignore it
The same conditions apply to all music, legally purchased or streamed. You aren’t buying the rights to perform it in public, each country has their own performing rights societies which venues must pay in order to allow those rights.
@@Mojaxx Thanks for the explanation, so it's ok to use it in public as long as the local rules are respected.
Question: in my experience Rekordbox gets beat grids wrong 20~30% of the time, and bpm wrong around 1~2% of the time. Will this be the same streaming from Beatport or is there something in metadata from Beatport that provides accurate information every time?
Loading up a track only to have it quantize off beat/phrase and/or with incorrect bpm would be a massive hassle to fix during a performance.
@@djstuc I use both, and although Rekordbox is far from perfect, it’s definitely still better than Engine. Engine has improved considerably, but I’m still getting 30~40% incorrect beatgrid/bpm info on analysis. Additionally, Engine gets key info wrong MUCH more often than Rekordbox.
@@djstuc I’m not really down to argue on the internet about which music organization software is best. If Rekordbox is you jam, great. If Engine floats your boat, awesome. If iTunes is your go to, more power to you. There’s no right or wrong answer here, only what works best for you. 🤙🏾
Sure would appreciate a useful answer to my question though.
From my testing the analysis is identical to that found in the Rekordbox software. Delivering grids via Beatport/Beatsource would be amazing, but each platform handles them so differently, I don’t think it’s ever likely to happen.
And I agree with other comments that RB analysis is generally far superior to Engine’s.
@@Mojaxx Cheers mate, thanks for the heads up. For better and for worse definitely something to consider as part of the whole package. Appreciate the reply.
What if you already have a playlist with Beatport tracks on your rekordbox thumbdrive? will it skip the analyze step, and all the cue points available?
*nevermind.... need rekordbox subscription...
So dope!!! 😮
lmao
I guess if you can't beat them, then copy them....nice job Pioneer I can't wait to see who you copy next.
Do they support offline mode with Beatport Link & Beatsource like Rekordbox Mac/PC software does?
No. Hoping that will come!
Which club has an internet router??
I totally get why people would want to pay a subscription and stream however I’m old Skool , I buy my tracks and play them to my audience, nothing stopping the guy next to liking a track in my set then quickly searching it and bang he’s got it too for next to nothing. If I’m the producer I’m making practically zero cash from that situation I could go on but you’ve heard it all a thousand times . As for the 3000’s I much preferred physical buttons than a touch screen , in an outside gig it’s no fun in the sun plus I’m using stems so much now the 3000 isn’t worth it’s huge price tag .
@@djstuc cutting my teeth on the wedding scene I totally see the appeal of the ‘ won’t get caught out’ for events and those dodgy requests but in reality how many do you actually get at a gig that that any pro wouldn’t already have ? 1-4 ? If that’s worth the subscription fee then yes but the way this is all being pushed it seems more for the bedroom dj who don’t want to spend on a record collection and just play what’s hot , my friend has tidal as well as a substantial collection of music from years of DJing but he’s also paying out for a Wi-Fi box ti take to gigs !!
money money money......how much is the cost of the beatport subscription montly or yearly? I wouldn't trust having to rely on an internet connection! if there were problems with the network what do you do, people don't dance?
Beatport streaming should be more for discovery than performance. Test out tracks to play before actually purchasing them. Even with all the advancements that Denon have made w' reguard to streaming, I still don't think that performance streaming is solid enough to be completely reliable. But, as a discovery tool, hell yeah, it's great! That said, these companies are definitely pushing the innovations forward, and I imagine one day it will day be identical w' mixing from vinyl or USBs.
So if you have a CDJ3000 and hook it up to someone else’s setup, yours will also have access to beatport? What if you remove your player from their network and take it back home to yours? Beatport no longer available?
If you log in to one player, then your account is available on the other linked players. When you remove your drive and go home, nobody else can access the service as you’re then logged out.
so uhhh on-device analysis is a thing now on pioneer or what??
It’s been a thing on the 3000s for a while already now.
@@Mojaxx wow i didn't hear anyone talking about it :O
WTF no Opus Quad support ??? i buy this expensive piece of crap and now it doesn't get an beatport update despite integrated wifi?
I'm sure it's coming soon to the opus quad, there are other firmware updates the the OQ needs so its probably taking a bit longer
That's on you dude lol. There's already another stand alone for almost half the price that lets you stream tidal, SoundCloud, and beatport. Don't get upset at pioneer when they are acting like pioneer. I'm sure it'll eventually get that update though if we're being honest
Hi Mojaxx what is the chamces this feature will come to the xdjxz? Thanks
They are Nexus 2 tech so virtually zero chance sorry.
Opus Quad is a good chance, maybe the RX3 as well.
Very little chance. The XDJ-XZ network port doesn't even give it internet connectivity. It'd take a lot of work to get it working.
@@phillipmarnik accurate reply
Fair enough, thats what i thought tbh
bring it to the XDj's
Yeah this is a no go for me. Having digital copies on my SD Card does not fail.
They way this should have worked is that you could store your beatport offline locker on a Rekordbox USB and use built-in wifi on the player simply to authenticate your account. Anything less than that seems super clunky.
I usually use CDJs in two scenarios. Both are horrible for this implementation.
Scenario 1: I'm at a club and they are installed. The chance that whoever installed them has this set up correct is so low that I would just expect it not to work.
Scenario 2: My friends and I set up CDJs for a one-off event in a location that will be a nightmare to run a hardwired internet connection to.
@10.12 omg it's not been analysed jesus christ
Nice!!!
So you need 2x plans as well as being connected to the WiFi, sounds like too much work and money for DJs that take requests.
Can't get over the fact that CDJ 3000's still can't play MP4 files..... Given the SC5000's can. Real hassle for DJ's who play video at some venues and then go to play on CDJ's as we can't use half our library.
Router wired is bad. These players should be properly equipped with Wifi.
Pioneer missed a beat with them not having WiFi built-in. I thought they did
Laughs in SC6000
siiick!!
joke! gotta do a trick! denon pole position
FIRST COMMENT, WASSUP MOJAXX!
1st reply on 1st comment
It is to slow for digital crate digging and discovering new music; I still don’t see the advantages of streaming music like this, over traditional crate digging, buying and importing music into rekordbox
about time4 this happened but good luck to anybody tryna fight off the request brigade without the "i dont have it" excuse now.
Can CDJ3000s' Pro DJ Link share DJM-A9's wifi network?
Too bad you can't get your hands on a cdj 3000 unless you already own one.
Man … it’s just tooo complicated plus I use serato …also , it’s not very friendly to open format djs
Pioneer keep raising the industry standard 🙌
they are still behind industry standard with their cdjs kek
@@RealSantahunter i presume he was joking! am i the only one that honestly thought that they already done this.. what the actual fuck haha
"iNdUsTrY sTaNdArD" 🤡🐑
Thankfully, I left this overpriced crap years ago.
Raising the standard? With this complicated sequence of being able to stream??? 😂😂😂 DENON DJ ALL THE WAY…I want to battle and challenge any pioneer user on this forum to come and go against me back to back while you use your CDJs and I’ll even leave my SC6000s out of it, I’ll battle you with my mini prime go and smash you
Looks a bit like a crippled SC6000 ...
Have to rip 36 tunes a month to make up for the £36 subscription… 🙂
Stupid money for old streaming technology. Bring back the days of streaming direct from Spotify playlists with the bpm, key and waveform ready to go! (That was in Djay Pro about 4 years ago!)
£36 for a Professional Rekordbox subscription
$29.99 for a Professional Beatport subscription
Pathetic. How are up and coming DJs (3-4 gigs a month) supposed to justify such an expense?
Especially if you've already spunked £4.5k on a pair of 3000s, because you want to futureproof your craft and be on top of your game.
Great, so DJ's now need to carry a 4G router around with them to patch the CDJ into ethernet.
After watching this man…thank the lord I went Denon Dj…pioneer now sucks…it’s true it sucks. Denon is the new standard. Every dog has its day and pioneer had a fantastic run but now Denon have smashed them. Yeah yeah pioneer are in the clubs industry standard rubbish. Pls don’t hit me with that nonsense. Any DJ that’s a real Dj can play on anything regardless of what’s ‘standard’
This means nothing to me!
This comment field is just Denon stans bipping at each other 😅😅
Sorry, but there is actual competition to CDJs now, so obviously anytime either company brings out a feature it is going to get compared to the other. That's just how it's going to be going forward. I own both, so I can appreciate the healthy competition/discourse surrounding the subject. Perhps you should reframe your thinking. With competition, the consumer wins out in the end. The ONLY reason you are seeing CDJs support streaming is because Denon did it first. In fact, there are several features that Pioneer have been forced to adopt because Denon had done it first, and as a result, have stolen marketshare from Pioneer. This is a good thing.
@@risquedj exactly my point, instantly triggered 😅😅😅
@@NICKRICHTEA You're the only one here that seems triggered
@@jeremyvenegas3109 🥱🥱🥱
Not triggered at all. I was just explaining why peeps comment the way they do. It's going to be like this going forward whether you like it or not. I am impartial. I own both.....
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WTF is this?! What happened to the good and old plug-and-play?
I wouldn't use this even if it was free, the fact pioneer wants me to pay ....🤣
just imagine if the majority use streaming everyone will be playing the same tunes our originality fades further with more convieniance.
I play a wider variety of music than I ever have before, thanks to streaming! Because now I have access to EVERYTHING, and I take full advantage of that.
For the two years I was doing my PROGREZZ show on twitch, I played entirely new music every single week - because I could.
Lazy DJs gonna lazy, whatever tools you give them. But for those who love to dig, streaming is the dream.
@@Mojaxx true. but on the other hand you get dj's like that hannah who clearly just plays whatever is being served to her on the beatport dish. it's making it really easy for these pay to win types.
@richardturpin3665 the same thing was said when labels started commercially selling records in volume at record shops.
Then the same thing was said when CDs became a thing.
Believe it or not, the EXACT same thing was said when iTunes, Beatport, Juno, etc brought music downloads to the mainstream.
And now, of course it’s being said about streaming as well.
Access to popular music is only 1 of the many pieces to the “individual original DJ” pie. There’s so, sooooo many additional ways to differentiate yourself and your music from the masses. Anyone that relies only/mostly on top 10 lists to be a “good DJ” is definitely in the lazy/underperforming DJ category.
Good for pioneer. I really want denon to make a dent and I want pioneer to also exceed. More options and competition is good for us consumers. Can’t wait for CDJ-4000 with wifi 🥲
Will it analyze and display the key in camelot notation?