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Dallas Dream Justified
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2009
- Justifying The Dream
Behind the Scenes crew members and analysts discuss the practicality and psychology of the cast and show at that point and of the dream cliffhanger resolution.
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This is why you hardly ever see a character get killed off anymore (unless of course the portrayer dies in real life)
Am I the only one who liked the dream season? I loved the Donna and Ray storyline. I liked Pam and JR working together and then she sells Christopher's shares back to him. It was a new beginning for a better relationship for them going forward. I loved how JR and Sue Ellen's relationship was becoming a truly beautiful love story. I liked Jack and Jamie as extended members of the Ewing family. They did not have Bobby I know but they showed life can go on and other happiness can be had after losing a dear loved one. JR seemed to really become even a more complex character I thought without Bobby and a less devious meniacle person. It showed character growth and they lost the potential to keep all that going by just chucking it all up to a dream. But that's the way it goes I suppose
I liked the first half of it but then it got silly with the emerald mine and the whole Jack impersonation of a rich dead oil tycoon. Only good part was jR dumping Mandy for Sue Ellen.
Duffy returned, the high viewership they had weekly when he “died”, never did. The dream season was the last season DALLAS finished in the top 10, in the ratings ( # 6 )
I love it how the comment section is full of absolute superb experts who would have perfectly known exactly what should have precisely been done.
This could have all been avoided if the producers and writers, who seemingly had learned nothing about the history of actors wanting to leave behind iconic roles, had ignored Duffy's demands that Bobby be killed off. At the time of Bobby's "death", the character was at a crossroads. He was torn between Pam and Jenna and Christopher and Charlie and Jenna had just told him that they should postpone their wedding. They could have easily had Bobby decide to leave Dallas for an indefinite period, as he had threatened to do in the past, leaving the door open for Patrick to smoothly return at any point. Better yet, I would have Bobby, after the "let's wait" conversation with Jenna, head to Pam's to propose only to find her in the arms of Mark Graison, freshly returned from Asia and in remission. Bobby, seemingly out of options, decides to depart to get his head straight. Piece of cake.
My friend, they should have paid YOU a million bucks to be a producers instead of the idiots they had. But is your idea as a result of hindsight OR did you have this idea when THEY really needed it??? God, they screwed it up!!!
+Alan Chong Well, I was just a young kid at the time but it seems that anyone with ANY experience in entertainment/show business would have seen this coming. On the other hand, the producers backed themselves into another corner the following season by having Bobby marry Pam. Obviously, they knew VP's contract was up that year and that she wasn't likely to return but by having Pam go ahead and marry Bobby, they were forced to come up with that ridiculous scenario where she she was burned, fled town, and then divorced Bobby and abandoned Christopher, which is totally out of character. If they had had Bobby find out about Jenna's baby and simply postpone the wedding, then Pam could have simply moved away at the end of the season to clear her head (she would have been in a similar situation as Bobby in my earlier post), leaving all options open for the Pam character in the future. And they had the perfect inciting incident - Jenna has Bobby's baby, Pam sees Bobby with the baby at the hospital, and decides she can no longer fight to keep Bobby from the mother of his natural child. Simple and logical.
James Kennedy
Mate, you are an expert on Dallas. You really should be a $$$ scriptwriter!!! Pam leaving her son Christopher was totally out of character and something I just didn't understand! You have a great feel and knowledge of the show. I was 19 years old at the time (1986 I think it was). How old were you then? I also remember Pam (played by some other actress?) showing her disfigured face. Can't remember who she showed it to. Cliff Barnes, was it? Or was it Bobby? It was a top show until they butchered the story lines. Seriously...pay you top dollar to get it right! But you were too young at the time!
+Alan Chong I was around 12 when this was going on with Dallas. My parents loved the show so I grew up watching it. Cliff tracked down Pam and saw her face after she had had some surgery so she didn't look too disfigured. However, after Cliff left, Pam had a conversation with her doctor and they discussed the fact that she only had a few months to live, which made zero sense. They never even said why she was supposedly dying. Just another ridiculous result of the producers' lack of foresight.
James Kennedy
Yes, now that you reminded me I can recall it. I had all this stuff on VHS. Seeing Pam like the way she was, was shocking and heartbreaking. I just couldn't believe it! I had a great love of the characters but the producers just destroyed them. Did you have a great attachment to the characters? The producers really let the fans doing what they did with the storylines. It breaks the fans heart into pieces. Part of me died seeing Pam like that. You know what I mean. (It wasn't even Victoria Principle playing the part at that moment, either, BUT I STILL CARED!)
The dream season was in 85, the show went off in 91. It was still on for 6 years, some shows don't last 6 years! The dream season didn't kill Dallas. Not to mention Dallas had 2 Dllas returns, and one reunion show. Now it has the New Dallas, which just got picked up for a 2nd season! NO the dream didn't kill Dallas!!
CONCUR (the departure - or at least the manner/rationale thereof - of Pamela Barnes Ewing arguably did the most damage)
Whatever the feelings are/were, We still have a connection to the Ewing Family which means they were an awesome bunch. PPL never cared about the characters on the other soaps but DALLAS was THE show that started it all and speaks volumes.
The ratings argument failed. After bringing Bobby back, Dallas ended lower in the ratings than the year before when he was dead. It was ultimately the bad writing, post-shower, that killed the show, not the act itself of bringing Bobby back. I agree this was the only explanantion, versus an evil twin scenario or anything else. However, the show could have survived and been better without Bobby, with just better writing. The dream season writers were actually better than what followed.
I think if even though we all missed character Bobby Ewing during season 9. During that season characters like Sue Ellen, Ray & Donna Krebbs had a chance to shine. But in the end bringing back Bobby gave Dallas five more seasons, without that character the show would have probably ended sooner.
My soloution - keep it a dream but Bobby's coma induced dream. dream season ends with us seeing Pam walking in a hospital room and kissing Bobby' whilst in his coma. The next season opener explains Bobby been in a coma for an hour and Pam has been visiting him eveyday and talking to him. The best story lines of the dream season can be kept and explained as Bobby dreaming what Pam was telling him. The season opener could also of used flashback scenes to fill in the gaps of the past year. Fi
This is actually a very good idea
🤔...😳Wow, this would have actually been a brilliant idea!
@@ajb1tic1tac OMG yessss!! All of that could have worked and it still would have kept the storylines established in the dream season.
I really enjoyed the "Dream Season." Ray and Donna had such an emotional season. Sue Ellen became a better, stronger person. JR and Sue Ellen reunited. The show should have ended with Pam marrying Mark. The most annoying thing to me though is that Pam's hair was longer when she woke up after one night's dream. 😕☺
I believe that it would have been better if Pam had actually dreamt that Bobby was struck by Katherine's car, but he didn't get to her in time. So it was in fact she that was struck. Her selfless love for Bobby ergo the fruition of her ultimate fear. Bobby's death. Was a result of the head trauma, and a response by her brain as it struggled for consciousness. The entirety of the season, principally ( see what I did there) was just her coma dream(s).
As much as I loved the spectacular Dream Season and how it pains me to see its emotional trials & tribulations wiped away, Dallas made the right choice to bring Bobby back and how he returned-for the enduring longevity of the show. Remember: ratings decline happened for ALL prime time soaps after the pinnacle 1983-1985 era, regardless what the storylines were. Dallas made the right choice.
I was 14 years old when Bobby "died" onscreen, and I still remember who I was with and where I was sitting when it happened. We all screamed out (literally screamed), "WHAAAA?? Bobby can't die!!!" As kids even, we were heartbroken. I loved Bobby (as much as I could love a fictional character), and I loved that he'd just reunited with Pam (finally)! I would have accepted almost any explanation to bring him back. It was a tough spot given that Bobby died right onscreen and was buried.
I remember reading in of all places the National Enquirer that Bobby was coming back to Dallas and that the whole season he was gone would turn out to be a dream. They even had the picture of Bobby in the shower. I know today most people hate the idea. But my first thought on hearing about the dream was what a clever idea.
There were other options especially where his death rolled over to Knots Landing. I believe for both shows crossovers would ha e helped each get a few extra seasons on the air. Principal Duffy Grey and Hagman to me owned this show. Once the ladies both left both men had no good mates with any chemistry
I will never, ever understand why the "Dream Season" is looked at as a bad thing. It had great story lines, great characters (which Dallas always had), and everything that it always had, just no Bobby. Bringing Patrick Duffy back was the best thing ever, I will never argue with that. But they could've done it without making the whole 9th season a dream. They could've found other ways, and no, not saying he had a twin was the answer either. They could very easily shown Bobby Ewing not dying, but either being drugged to appear dead, or some enemies (unknown enemies that is) making the appearance of him dying but instead keeping him hostage that the cast remaining would have to make a rescue attempt (and succeeded, of course). That would have been better than making the whole thing a dream, and so many were not happy that it was portrayed as a dream.
What good storylines? Sue Ellen’s alcoholism was all I really remember enjoying. Angelica Nero and the emerald mine were 🥱. Pam at Ewing oil was silly .
8 seasons before the dream season and five after, two TV movies, and a new series over 20 years later. Yep. Sure killed it...
There have been instances since where they brought back a "dead" character without it being dream but this was probably the first time a show had to do it so the dream season was probably all they could have done.
I know people say this killed the show, but really... a dream? Like... how totally unexpected. If you really think about it, it was genius. Another good idea wouldve been Pam was in a comma the entire time because actually the car had hit her too, and the "dream" season was how Pam imanged it when people would come to see her and give her updates with the family. but making everything a dream? Genius.
I was a teen when this aired, and I thought it was a pretty clever approach, and I still do. Yes, Bobby could have just "disappeared" or been in an accident where his body was never found, but then his demise would not have packed the emotional wallop that it did seeing him flatline right onscreen with the family surrounding him. I will never forget that scene or how upset it made me. Good drama. Then they did what they had to do. Also good drama.
They could avoided the whole issue by just having Bobby disappear mysteriously, then they could have had episodes with forensic experts and investigations as to his whereabouts and he could have come back at any point with any number of storylines that they would have had a field day coming up with.
Later in this season JR is no where near as nasty as he had been to the pont of not at all. Making peace with Sue Ellen treating her right, not cheating her, just about making peace with Cliff , Jamie and Pam, been ok with Clayton, Ray & Donna. He even as the show was coming to a close was starting to become a life saving anti hero especially in his partnering along and being friendly with Dack Rambo. This season wasn't so bad.
But in the 86-87 season, the postseason season, I call it the back to the reality season.
The dream season was the only logical way they could have brought back the character of Bobby Ewing.
Sure was a hell of a dream Pam had!
I wonder what she ate the night before.
Nothing compared to Newhardt :D
Yes it was actually the longest season of the series. 31 episodes
I thought it was a masterpiece myself.
Typical of Dallas infact.
The ratings drop i believe hit the show when Pam left.
That hurt the show big time.
I was more upset when Pam left than Bobby. Should have left him dead had one more season and ended the run. The post dream years were terrible
The dream season was number 6 in the ratings, the following season fell to number 11 and the show continued to fall. The quality of the show nose dived after the dream season. Phil Capice had a difficult job producing a season without Patrick but he kept the show in the top 10, something that did not happen after his forced departure and the return of Bobby. The show became a parody with the fake Jock story line, the forced departure of Susan Howard, and Pam's less than dignified departure.
Another alternative is Pam steals Doc Brown's DeLorean and goes back in time to stop Katherine from running over Bobby
It was the final straw...i remember out family had some candy, soda, crisps in front of the teve and mum "oh come on this settles it" and after that we never watched the show...in fact it was a blessing...dad took up his old hobbies, mum developed other interests...
If the writers had only really involved Katherine Wentworth in his return. This stortline just taught soaps of post 1980 NOT what to do to revive a character. There was such an emotional betrayl by asking viewers to forget a whole season
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His death would have been easy to undo with making the whole season a dream.
Miss Ellie, Bobby, Pamela, Donna the best on Dallas 👍👍👍👍
There is no justification - just pure madness! 🤣🤣
Bobby didn't flatline. Someone merely tripped over the plug.
It was pretty simple. Instead of Pam having a dream, why not Bobby? Make 85-86 his coma dream and everything that happened from the time he died was his dream. Most or all of it could still have happened, explained as different characters coming to him and telling him what's happening in their lives and he is dreaming this. Bobby would have been a good talk to as he was in a coma, lol. Still a ridiculous solution, but you don't void the 85-86 season.
His funeral wasn't an open casket.
They never are on soaps.
Wish they had kept JR’s and Sue Ellen’s relationship intact somehow. When JR died in the new episode, a great void was left.
Thank you, I'll be sure to watch the series in its entirety.
He says that no one came up with a better solution? That's because they are not the writers!
I've always considered this to be the ultimate case of artistic dishonesty. Those who defend it, I guess we gotta settle on the old "agree to disagree."
Hey one good thing was it inspired the NEWHART finale which is one of the best of all time.
B.S. when Pam & Mark got married, that's when Bobby shows up @ the wedding. He could've been given a drug to make his heart rate slow down and later on he was kidnapped. As for the funeral, the coffin could've been empty. It was a big fu to Dallas fans and no consideration for Knots Landing.
Right, and fake Jock Wes Parmalee could have been behind it. Bobby's injuries could have given him amnesia and Wes brainwashed him. It would have given Patrick a chance to play an evil character for a while.
But whatever. I'm a HUGE Dallas fan, was watching then and I had no problem with the shower thing.
Season 9 wasn't great anyway. I didn't care for it. Ratings were down. I don't think a lotta people liked it. So, we got Bobby back, 5 more seasons, 2 TV movies, and an alternate universe TNT version. The show could have died shortly after season 9.
I thought the same, or Katherine could have actually not been dead, she had paid a doctor to make it look like she and Bobby were dead, then kidnapped him and held him somewhere, a bit like in The Young and the Restless when Brad was kidnapped by Lisa. To me, I never understood the dream story as there were bits of the season that weren't a dream, like Angelica Nero's character, whilst most of it was, plus it had a knock on effect in Knots Landing, Valene named her twins after Bobby, so the dream thing should never have happened as it created a void between the two series which could never be crossed over again!
@Kevin Riley You should be a writer!!
@@royprincevideos You should be a writer!!
@@campgalore You should be a writer!!
It was Patrick Duffy's real live wife who came up with the dream idea. . According to the thick paper back book about the behind the scenes of Dallas that was printed in the 2000's. I think a person can still buy that book at the South Fork 's large gift shop at the South Fork Ranch in Parker, Texas. That is where I bought mine.
That would've been massively better than the "it was all a dream" season. Maybe make Mark Grayson turn out to be a villain in league with Katherine in order to keep Bobby and Pam apart.
What the writers of the show should have done was put Bobby in a coma rather than kill him off which wouldn’t have resulted in the whole dream season.
That was a damn long dream.
Oh yes and then you wake up and have longer hair👆😊
No, there was a much better solution. A doppelgänger, much like the storyline in Dynasty when Krystle was kidnapped and replaced by a double. In this case we would have been unaware that a lookalike had already taken Bobbies place, to basically steal money. The audience is oblivious to this at the time obviously. During the doubles (temporary time as Bobby) he is killed. Meanwhile the real Bobby is being held captive somewhere- his kidnappers don’t know what to and keep him captive...until a year later the real Bobby escapes from his captivity. But will the Ewing’s believe he is the real Bobby...!? This to me would have been more realistic, even though it’s ridiculous! The dream solution was a terrible cop out and duped the audience!
I loved the dream season. It was very Dynasty and I loved Dynasty. Child me didn’t bat an eyelid that Bobby came back. Middle age me would have😂😂😂and said wtf do these people think I’m some sort of idiot. Then I would have remembered there are only 4 channels and a video recorder so I’m going to have to keep watching 😂
Would have been easy to carry on without Patrick - Ray inherits Bobby's share and then it becomes JR v Ray which would have been a lot of fun to watch. Ray would have wanted to always do the right thing like Bobby but JR wouldn't be able to emotional blackmail Ray as much!
I don't know if she was the only one who initially thought of this. But I read that Patrick Duffy's wife brought up that the only way his return would make sense is if the previous season had all been a dream.
He didnt have to be a evil twin. He could have been a benevolent twin.
Haha yes that's true ..why evil???? I think they just threw that out at the time as a red herring tho to fool the fans. They had already decided on the dream solution.!!
This is my idea: Pam's vision of Bobby in the shower turned out to be Mark. Pam is confused and runs out with Mark calling to her. The scene changes to Bobby sleeping in an unknown bedroom in a hospital bed. When Bobby flatlined, he had been given a drug to give the appearance of dying. A doctor or nurse at the hospital was someone from Bobby's past who never got over him. She nursed him back to health, and he is in an induced coma at her residence in Dallas.
That would not explain how he was buried.
@@kvclassic5606 It was a closed coffin. I don't know if that could have explained it
yes it was closed coffin and never saw his dead body. Someone could had paid and arranged for fake buurial. Of course its far fetched and hard to belive. But it's a million times better then the ridiculous dream solution.
Duffy wanted to try new things, he'd grown tired of playing the good guy and wanted to branch out in his career. He'd been thinking about it for sometime and then broke the news in early '85 to the producers. He urged them to kill Bobby off as he didn't want to be enticed back, his ideal exit was Bobby riding into Southfork on a white horse and rescuing the family from a fire while dying. The producers agreed but instead killed him off saving Pamela from her deranged sister Katherine Wentworth.
A possible idea is that Anjelica Nero’s people could have revived him and taken him out of the hospital but was comatose.
When Bobby wakes up he has full amnesia. Anjelica decides he is of no use and let’s him go or he escapes. Anjelica could have held him captive far from Dallas, and actually in Southern California.
In the LA area, Knots Landing specifically, an amnesiac Bobby could have met a local reporter named Ben Gibson (Val’s husband and Lucy’s stepfather), who had never met any of the Ewing’s before, to help uncover his identity. The biggest twist was the fans realizing Bobby was alive, but in Knots Landing and not Dallas.
Abby Ewing, Gary’s wife at the time, meets him next and, knowing his identity, keeps it secret from her husband Gary while she figures out how to use this knowledge to her advantage. Unfortunately Bobby discovers a picture of himself with Gary at Abby and Gary’s house and demands answers but runs after seeing Gary who walks in.
At that point JR, Ray, Pam, Jenna and maybe even Miss Ellie cross over to Knots Landing and help find Bobby. There Gary gets to throw out Abby and Miss Ellie tells Gary what a terrible wife he has, and it is discovered Abby is a long time mistress of JR. It could also change the relationship between JR and his brother & mother forever too.
Bobby sees Pam and gets his memory back and then discovers she married Mark Graison. He returns to Dallas but unsure of what to do with Jenna and Pam.
With the story planned for Sue Ellen that season prior to the dream it could’ve been explosive. Sue Ellen was supposed to be paralyzed from the explosion at the office and imagine if she found out JR was bedding Gary’s wife Abby for years. Well I’d love to see that scene.
That is basically what they did in 24 with Tony Almeida and it worked great
Agreed! How could Pam have dreamed a whole season? How many hours would that have been? How many hours would she have had? Just not possible.
And then there is the dream itself. Pam wasn't in every scene she dreamed about so when she woke up she should have realized it was a dream - unless she didn't remember the whole dream, perhaps just Bobby dying.
Pam also dreamed about things should couldn't have known about unless she were psychic.
The irony was that the dream season was the longest season of the show - 31 episodes!
That makes perfect sense! Where the hell were you at the time? What a genius!
I hope you're working in TV today.
during the ''dream season'' DALLAS was becoming to DYNASTY according to Larry Hagman. It was so clearly a ''dream'' when Sue Ellen and JR were getting along just fine. lol
Interesting, well I already have my mind set on watching it. This should be an enjoyable show, thanks for the recommendation.
Best solution was not to have Duffy back at all. The show was doing fine without him.
I know that in 1986, Australia's TV Week printed some pictures of a more acceptable alternate "Bobby comes back" script, where he explains to JR "the doctors were wheeling me to the morge but then saw his heart start beating again and he was wheeled back to the emergency and was hooked up to machinery.."
It certainly ballsed up Knots Landing-a shame as Knots was unable to link in with Dallas ever again after the dream scenario-otherwise Vals twins (one of the greatest Knots storylines) would never have existed with them being named after Gary's dead brother!
But they linked up in the Dallas reboot.
The fact that they mentioned Bobby in, literally, every single episode didn’t help, either....
The writers were lazy. They could have written him in many ways. What if his death was staged by himself ?They were saying the same thing about Elvis around that time. So, if could have been written that way.
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I was a kid when it first came on - so I'm sketchy on the beginning...I remember the mid-seasons most (though we were not avid watchers...we were much more into Knots Landing)... I am actually watching the original Dallas now from the beginning (my library has all the seasons for check out) - and I am really enjoying it. I think you might like the first seasons...the "dream" season doesn't take place until the 9th year... the "new" Dallas is FABULOUS I think! Really enjoying it!!
yes, i think i kept with Dallas for a couple of seasons after. Once Pam when it was slowly going downhill. I'm enjoying watching the reruns of the early ones on cbs drama here in uk. The dream season is just around the corner.
the dream should have been a premonition dream. that way they could have kept the story lines. Pam would have been able to save Bobby from getting hit by a car. The baby could have had downs but Pam would know it before the family did.
Good idea - and one I think a lot of people hadn't considered. Too bad the writers that season didn't "think outside the box" enough to make it work.
It should have been a coma hallucination.
Actually killing Bobby off was the best way for Patrick Duffy to have been written out of the show. If Dallas would have not killed Bobby off, Patrick Duffy would have been saying that he was not getting any good film or tv roles because people are still wanting him to return to Dallas. When he returned, the last thing that was expected was for a whole year of the show to be a dream.
"I never heard anybody come up with a better solution" oh please, these people are crazy. Even I could find a better solution without JOKING with audience...
Lets hear it then !
@@raw5742 I think they should have had him staged his death for witness protection. It's still ridiculous and contrived, just less so than what they did. Anything would be criticized.
Wow, them being in Family guy for LOIS KILLS STEWIE suddenly just made sense lol!!!!
Andrew Baker's suggestion (below) would have been better. I never thought of letting it be Bobby's' dream. I guess we can only dream of how things would have turned out. Dallas is still the best show of the 80s.
I just want to write that my name is Josh and i want to write that having the entire season that Bobby was dead just being a dream Pam was having only over one night really made the fans angry and upset. the Dallas fans couldn't believe that the entire season they watched and sat through was being written off as just a dream Pam was having over a period of one night. I also want to bring up the fact that even though Pam dreamed the whole entire previous season in only one night, her hair style didn't even match the shorter hairstyle she had the night before and her hair was now extremely longer than it was the previous night before.
In Knottslanding there were references to Bobby's death. If he were alive in that show then the soap would have lost stories too and perhaps characters. So from then on Knottslanding was no longer considered to be based within the same fictional universe and Bobby remained dead
And? Knot was pretty much independent of Dallas by the time of the dream reveal. The dream reveal happened at the beginning of Knots' 8th season, but there hadn't been a Dallas actor crossover to guest star since the beginning of season 4.
It was the show runners of Knots Landing who chose to sever ties with the Dallas series after Bobby's death was wiped off as being a dream, as it ruined that Knots referred to Bobby's death as well, and when Bobby was brought back, it just messed up everything. They had no way of dealing with that and to just break ties with Dallas may have been the only solution, even though it was something they just had to do.
Here is an FYI Lucy left Dallas in 1990 4 years after the dream season to move to Europe and manage an art gallary. In 1992 when Valene died Mack told Gary he would try to track down Lucy in Europe. So basically I asumed they just ignored Bobby was dead as they kept up with the Dallas time line.
Even doe I liked Dynasty and Dallas, I liked knots landing, that was a great Show. It didn't even need Dallas make it successful.
@@willisapril They may have placed Lucy in Europe, just to make things easier, but Knotts Landing was not on the Dallas timeline, or in the same television universe, at that point. Let me recopy what I wrote to you above, in response to a similar comment that you made on this thread:
"The media at the time said that Bobby remained dead on Knotts Landing. The show never explicitly said that--they just never mentioned him, or almost any other Dallas character, again. There were a couple of fleeting references, or allusions, to Lucy, because that was unavoidable at times. But the two shows went their separate ways after the dream, and essentially stopped being sister shows."
yes, agree with that. When it came back after the dream season it slowly went downhill. I hated the picture quality too ( here in uk at least) Post - dream season the picture wasn't as clear as the older ones, too glossy looking and they changed the Lorimar end titles!
Bobby should have been rescued and saved by B&B's Prince Omar ! ;-)
Really!! All they had to do was ask Days of our Lives writers...people were always dying and coming back on there and fans swallowed it (me included) ;)
There was no other way to bring him Back! So real fans had to make concessions.
LOL will someone PLEASE get a hold of the alternate footage and put it up on You Tube ! We're all interested !!!
They should have chosen a hybridized result. Any storylines directly dependent on Bobby's death would be dropped but others would be allowed to continue. It wouldn't have been as disruptive as the dream season concept. Given the loose treatment that continuity gets from most TV shows (think of kids on soap operas aging from toddler to teenager in a few months) it would have been fairly easy to blend it all in.
Poor old Knots.
Thanks. I vaguely recall that the TV Week 1986 article quoted Bobby telling JR that the Body "Was Not Me". There must still be film or photos of it someplace - "the alternate "Bobby Comes Back" storyline. What the producers ultimately chose (ie Pam's dream) was a total disaster.
"Patrick Duffy coming back doesn't mean anything unless he comes back as Bobby Ewing." Oh, if only the writers of LOST had listened to that advice when they killed off John Locke.
They should ended the new series with Elena yelling Christopher as the car was on fire then cut to a hospital room and it is Pam and she wakes up and pull all the monitors off her and walks into the hospital hall she see a nurse or a doctor asks them what year is it. It would all be a dream. Pam would have been in the hospital since she got in that car wreck.
Actually, the dream storyline was not the one and only alternative. Daytime soap operas fake deaths all the time. People die and come back from the dead regularly on daytime soaps. If these writers were truly creative they could of worked this storyline to their advantage
That could maybe be pulled off with a daily soap that airs so often it shoves plot lines down your throat, which are forgotten all about in a month. Not a soap like Dallas that only aired weekly.
@@pnwguy00 In today's TV. Writers could find a creative alternative. It boils down to creativity, it seems the writers of Dallas were cramblimg and got lazy. This unfortunately, cost the show in addition, put a void between the spin off show knotslanding
Will do.
True, true! As an example, see the final episode of "House." :-)
@tabbypappy You don't remember because he never was unless you want to count JR's dream in the last episode.
@ajb1tic1tac Sounds good. 1 basic problem with that,though: Knots Landing acknowledged Bobby's death too
Perhaps they could have had Bobby emerge from a coma ... then you could possibly keep some of the story lines from the previous season. Some were worth keeping.
@vccstudents Precisely. I don't remember seeing Gary Ewing on Southfork after this.
After the dream revelation Dallas and Knotts Landing went their separate ways completely. The two shows were essentially no longer sister shows at that point. It was said by the media at the time that Bobby was still dead on Knotts Landing. They never explicitly said that on the air, or referred to Gary's late brother, mind you--they just stopped talking about Dallas and its characters altogether.
Im a huge Dallas fan
Have to say im watching the re runs on CBS drama channel
And ive just suffered the dream season which ive enjoyed the least to be honest!
..Especially Jenna Wade moping around all the time.. Turning the advanced down of Jack?!
And so on..
Glad to see the back of such a substandard season..
On a positive note.. The return of Bobby had to save the show and it DID!! Yaaahoooo!!
Wasnt the same without old Bob'
Glad to have him back!!
Problem is... This dood claiming hes jock ewing is STILL in the show..
Also i think that its not fair to viewer however.. I can forgive an forget because the whole dream season saved the show and thats whats important!
Thanks an gdnite from the UK
+AQSAPAL , talk about revisionist history.
Interesting reading your comments. You can 'forgive and forget' a whole season of dreams??! I couldn't. My mother recorded it for me on VHS to watch over university summer vacation. So I had a zillion hours of dreams! I welcomed the return of Bobby but was left sceptical and hurt. Hard for me to forgive.
It's interesting you say 'the dream season saved the show.' That's what the executive producer would say. However, the fans would say 'the dream season ruined the show.' It's a poisoned chalice.
The 9th season (1985-1986) was a terrible season. They had a few good stories (Donna's Down syndrome baby), but most of it was rubbish. The show tried to be a "Dynasty" clone and ratings began to tank. Cousin Jack (Dack Rambo) was not up to replacing Bobby, as there was no Kane/Abel dyamic with J.R./Jack as there was with J.R./Bobby. Wiping away one bad season didn't ruin the show it saved it.
radrobd The dream season scored higher in ratings than season in which Bobby returned. The Show continue to slide in ratings after Patrick came back.
@jmjfanss I won't argue that with you. I just remember Patrick Duffy doing interviews announcing he was leaving the show and insisted he wanted Bobby killed off. The show had all kinds of potential post Bobby, and even if they did bring his character back, it could have been done differently. After all the trouble to bring him back, Pam leaves, and it's on life support! Maybe they should have re-created the Genesis planet and sent his body there like they did with Spock's! :)
I know its only a TV show but I think Dallas know they made a grave error killing Bobby in the first place! Viewers will only follow a plot so far and no one bought the dream, which resulted in characters been written out and stories ending. Although Dallas suffered some what after Patrick left, it never recovered from the dream sequence. This might have caused the halt on killing Pam a year later when she mysteriously disappeared after burning in the hope Victoria Principal wud return
I agree that if they were going to bring Bobby back, that a dream was really the only way they could do it, but at the same time, the show really lost a lot when they did that. It lost it's credibility with the fans and it was never the same the last few seasons.
@tabbypappy Exactly. And how could Pam be telling Bobby what was going on in Knots Landing? With the exception of Gary & Valene, Pam never met any of those people.
The show jumped the shark with the way they brought Bobby back, and it messed up the "Knots Landing" story line as well.
The media said at the time that Bobby remained dead on Knotts Landing. The two shows parted company after the dream, and stopped being sister shows. There was absolutely no way that Dallas and Knotts Landing could remain intertwined, or in any way connected, after Bobby was declared to be alive on Dallas.
Patrick Duffy wanted to be killed off but he was so type casted as Bobby Ewing he found it hard to get work so they ffered bim silly money and he came back ..
Not to mention what it essentially did to Knots Landing.
It completely ended the relationship between the two shows. They went their separate ways at the point and were, essentially, no longer sister shows. At the time it was said (at least by the media) that Bobby remained dead on Knotts Landing.
The dream did lose over third of it's original audience within one year. The rest followed very quickly. The last 3 seasons, NOT 6 years (hung on for dear life), and still failed! Regardless of the new interest - why do you think they originally dropped it???!!! It failed!!!
Facts! Always be frank with your facts!
There's medicine to slow down the heart rate. Its not implausible to fake his death.
A completely unforgivable solution.