Supposedly the Koro thing is also a scam, where one person is meant to cast a curse on someone then a second conman comes and says he can sell you a cure. I can definitely relate to the gas hysteria thing, we used to get that constantly at work because the boiler had once leaked, as soon as someone said "Can you smell gas?" everyone would instantly think they could smell it, so lots of call outs to a plumber who would come in, take a load of readings and say "No the boiler isn't leaking."
Yeah, that would not surprise me in the least: "Hey man, your dick fell off, DON'T YOU SEE?!? Here's some snake oil that'll fix that right up, only $19.99." It's really interesting to me how easy it is to get people to smell gas just by suggesting it. I guess it's a good survival mechanism -- better a false positive than everyone dying, after all -- but still, lots of wasted time and effort, and even if you get someone out to check who definitively tells you there's no leak, there are still gonna be a percentage of people who are gonna be like LIES! I KNOW WHAT I SMELLED! IT'S A COVER-UP! Human brains are fragile things, haha.
ICP, too funny...did ya know Disney signed them sight unseen? "Hey, rapping clowns would be great for the kids"....recalled about 100,000 The Great Milenko on it's debut....I think it was a $1,000,000 contract(just looked, yes it was) PS just don't look in the trunk
I purchased the audio version of The Faceless Villian. I enjoyed it. Some of those crimes I know but a lot of them I don’t know. You Jenny Ashford along with Ann Rule-Ted Buddy The Stranger Beside Me and Small Sacrifices-are the best non-fiction crime writers in the business.
Tom as Orson Welles: "Yea I know my shit is so good that you believed it." Ahaa haa haaaaaa! That was the greatest paraphrasing of a quote ever. I even pictured that kinda sad sack face that Orson makes while he's giving his apology!
@@Gloomshadow100 For sure. I've wanted to watch the documentary on his final film "They'll Love Me When I'm Dead," but haven't made the time. Talented guy but it sounds like his ego was quite a thing to witness, especially as he got older.
Can you guys do an Anton Lavey episode? I know you mentioned him in the Crowley episode already but I just find him and Jane Mansfield's relationship so interesting
@@dljm7847 ..oh hell yeah.. Mines wearing out, me and your are the only guys with this shirt, were the beta test. Next version will have bigger lettering on the back and it will be white instead of red to make it stand out more. I love this shirt.
Uber shrinkage !!! Maybe their grandparents tried to do the old ...Got your nose trick and missed...🤪😂 Or Maybe they had bigger stomachs because we ALL know, NOTHING grows in the shade..LOL
Cotton mills in the south were he'll. 90 degrees outside, 120 inside noise that would make your head ring and machines that would rip your fingers off. Sounds like a blast
I remember when a was a little girl (five or six) I was pretty scared by the Halley's Comet that was then near the Earth, because my mother used to read psychology books, and she was reading something of Oliver Sacks about a mysterious disease that was spread first in Europe and then in all the world, the people war asleep YEARS long, and when they woke up they were unable to move and all covered in sweat, and no one had no idea what was this disease, WHERE he came from and WHY it disappeared. And one of the hypothesis was that it came from A COMET. +_+; (comets and meteorites once provoked mass hysteria btw XD)
Oh wow, I knew about that Oliver Sacks book, but I never knew that a comet was one of the theories for causing that disease. That would have been horrifying to hear as a child. Now I'm glad I didn't know about it back then!
I definitely want to do a show on this! I wrote about them in the 1st volume of Faceless Villain and I've talked about them a bit on other podcasts where I was a guest, but I'm curious to hear Tom's take on it.
I've never heard of this case, but just read up on it on Wikipedia to get a general idea of what it's about. One thing that really jumped out at me was the whole conspiracy theory about it involving the Sicilian mafia due to anti-Mussolini comments made by George Sodder… which puzzles me. I don't know much about the history of the relationship between the Sicilian mafia and Mussolini, but I do know that Mussolini actively opposed the mafia in Sicily and tried to get rid of it. I also know a lot of Italian immigrants came to the US specifically to get away from Mussolini and his fascist regime, so why would anti-Mussolini remarks from a fellow Italian immigrant cause such a potentially horrific response? Let alone to the point of the Sicilian mafia undertaking such efforts to hurt and presumably try to kill one individual and his family for simply making anti-Mussolini remarks? Tom's a war history buff, so I'm very curious to hear what he has to say about that aspect of it.
I definitely have to do one! Also, I can't believe I didn't think to insert King Missile's song "Detachable Penis" in this episode anywhere. (And yes, I did use the word insert deliberately, haha.)
Ah, hysteria...Maybe this is the reason why The Yellow Wallpaper is one of my favorite short stories. But aside from being driven insane by the very people trying to save one from it, isn’t this whole mass dancing thing kind of like the whole “speaking in tongues” thing of evangelicals? I mean does anyone actually believe those people are speaking in tongues? F*ck no. One person starts babbling like a banshee, they all do because who wants to get caught not filled with the Holy Spirit in the middle of a Sunday sermon? At some point, deviant behavior becomes normal when more people are doing it than not no matter how strange it seems, especially when not doing it could lead to some sort of judgment. There are so many other factors that could have historically influenced behavior en masse too-ergot poisoning, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning-all of which are known to have powerful psychological effects and which were regularly found in products used by many people. Too, I know you guys said this is not necessarily a paranormal episode, but I am going to go there. I think women have an extra sense that men do not have. I think some are far more in tune to it than others. I also think that it is somehow directly related to the fact that women are child bearers, whether or not they actually have children. But I definitely believe there is some level of intuition that is hardwired in women but not in men that may be behind some of these incidents of “mass hysteria”. I think that’s why when you watch true crime shows, you often hear women remark that they just knew something was wrong or that so and so wasn’t okay or that they can just feel that someone is alive or dead. I truly believe there is credibility in those claims. Also, you are totally right about music altering brain waves. I completely buy that theory. It’s one of the theories being asserted about Stonehenge now. There are scholars asserting that it was maybe a great big drum circle/temple because it has unique acoustics, and percussion sounds alter brain waves. So they believe it was perhaps arranged with the intent to put people in an altered state of mind. I’ve been to Stonehenge. I didn’t really get any vibes from it. As a matter of fact, it ranks as one of my biggest travel disappointments. But, then again, there were no drums playing, not to mention you can’t even really get all that close. It’s just stupid. One of those stop the car, snap a photo, and continue on kind of deals. But maybe I just experienced it out of context. I’m willing to accept that. It’s also interesting to note that sound waves can be used to levitate things. About clowns, my mom was a clown. I grew up totally not scared of clowns. The people of her troupe were lovely in and out of makeup. They didn't even make money on what they did. They were volunteers of the Children's Hospital of Cincinnati and helped cheer up patients. I got to meet the people of Ringling Brothers who gave me some amazing stories while my mother attended their clown college. Trust me. Backstage at the circus is super fun if you're a kid. On a side note, why doesn’t Tom have a nice comfy office chair too? This is the first time I’ve noticed this. I kind of felt sorry for him.
I guess Tom could have a comfy office chair too (or could sit in mine), but he never asked, haha. He only sits in my office when we're recording the show, so he usually just grabs whatever chair is convenient (usually from the dining room). I actually love "The Yellow Wallpaper." It's easily one of my favorite short stories. I find it so sad because even though in a lot of ways things are better now, women in particular can still relate to the protagonist's opinions and feelings being dismissed or discounted in the story because obviously the men knew what was good for her, even though they were making her sicker by their actions. I do kind of agree with you on the "women having an extra sense" thing to an extent. I'm actually one of those people who thinks that men and women are way more alike than they are different, and I think most of that "Mars and Venus" stuff is bullshit, but in a general sense, men's and women's thought processes and communication styles can be different enough that misunderstandings and conflict are pretty common. From a broad perspective, women seem far more attuned to others' feelings than men do, which is kind of like an extra sense, because it's akin to a sort of telepathy I suppose. I actually never had a problem with clowns. I can see why some people find them scary, but I never did, even after I read "IT." When I was little my main fears were sharks and cockroaches, haha. Actually I'm still afraid of both those things!
Snakes. That's my biggest phobia. I'm deathly afraid of snakes. I won't even go into the reptile house at the zoo or watch movies or television shows with them. There was an episode of the X Files back in the day that involved a snake from which I still have nightmares. I literally went running from the room several weeks ago when they were trying to drain the venom from a big one on an episode of American Horror Story. I couldn't watch. My goddaughter actually made fun of me when we were trying to watch Harry Potter at the cinema and I was going crazy. Also, since I moved to the desert, scorpions. Those things are creepy, especially the baby ones. I hate them, which is funny, because my astrological sign is Scorpio.
I can remember that one case of the woman in the emergency room who seemed to be emitting some chemicals that caused some of the doctors and nurses to pass out and get sick. That was a weird-ass case!
The Ministry of Defence over here recently released all the encounters Royal Air Force pilots had with UFO's too, but they basically just said they didn't know what they were!
Hey also, I think I keep bugging u guys about my interest & assistance in writing a book, I think I guys might find interesting as well, lemme know if u might b interested in my ideas,pls, U guys r Rock!!
Yes and you guys were spot on. That damned Nostradamus semi-documentary thing had me hooked! Must've re-watched that on HBO 5 or 6 times then rented it down the road. Bottom line, he did a pretty respectable job pedaling products with just his voice alone. Add him in a nice room with a swanky looking backdrop and watch the sales increase!
You guys deserve more subs and views. You know how they cured hysteria right? That's why Vibrators were invented. Women would go to the doctor to have a "hysterical paroxysm" aka orgasm. If some dude in a clown suit with a knife jumps out at me at night, he's getting drawn on. Lol
I'm so mad that I forgot to mention the "hysteria leading to invention of vibrator" aspect. At least the whole ridiculous brouhaha had a silver lining!
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man said we all gotta dance
"You're not going to pregnant from butt stuff." Jenny
They call that the poophole loophole
Supposedly the Koro thing is also a scam, where one person is meant to cast a curse on someone then a second conman comes and says he can sell you a cure.
I can definitely relate to the gas hysteria thing, we used to get that constantly at work because the boiler had once leaked, as soon as someone said "Can you smell gas?" everyone would instantly think they could smell it, so lots of call outs to a plumber who would come in, take a load of readings and say "No the boiler isn't leaking."
Yeah, that would not surprise me in the least: "Hey man, your dick fell off, DON'T YOU SEE?!? Here's some snake oil that'll fix that right up, only $19.99."
It's really interesting to me how easy it is to get people to smell gas just by suggesting it. I guess it's a good survival mechanism -- better a false positive than everyone dying, after all -- but still, lots of wasted time and effort, and even if you get someone out to check who definitively tells you there's no leak, there are still gonna be a percentage of people who are gonna be like LIES! I KNOW WHAT I SMELLED! IT'S A COVER-UP! Human brains are fragile things, haha.
ICP, too funny...did ya know Disney signed them sight unseen?
"Hey, rapping clowns would be great for the kids"....recalled about 100,000 The Great Milenko on it's debut....I think it was a $1,000,000 contract(just looked, yes it was)
PS
just don't look in the trunk
1:02:04 Spring Heeled Jim ..er Jack - “Some steampunk kid figured out parkour.” 😂!!! That sounds about right though. 👍🏽
Loved this one, I've been a psych nurse for 11 year so this is fascinating
I love the instrumental at the end.
I purchased the audio version of The Faceless Villian. I enjoyed it. Some of those crimes I know but a lot of them I don’t know. You Jenny Ashford along with Ann Rule-Ted Buddy The Stranger Beside Me and Small Sacrifices-are the best non-fiction crime writers in the business.
Wow, thank you so much! :-D
Tom as Orson Welles: "Yea I know my shit is so good that you believed it." Ahaa haa haaaaaa! That was the greatest paraphrasing of a quote ever. I even pictured that kinda sad sack face that Orson makes while he's giving his apology!
His whole apology was one long sad faced humble-brag
@@Gloomshadow100 For sure. I've wanted to watch the documentary on his final film "They'll Love Me When I'm Dead," but haven't made the time. Talented guy but it sounds like his ego was quite a thing to witness, especially as he got older.
@@jeffreyawarner0681 he knew how to work it... It was a different time. Very limited media.
Can you guys do an Anton Lavey episode? I know you mentioned him in the Crowley episode already but I just find him and Jane Mansfield's relationship so interesting
I will purchase other audiobooks of yours soon as possible and shut down the internet and TV and enjoy the other works of Jenny Ashford.
Jenny just the improved recording of pt2 in the can today.. All she has to do is edit it and upload. Maybe a week or two until its up for sale.
Great episode---BTW, I just received my t-shirt. It's as awesome as it looks on Tom, but it looks better on me :) Thanks :)
You're welcome! And I love this comment, hahaha.
What one did you get?
The Snake Plissken one.
@@dljm7847 ..oh hell yeah.. Mines wearing out, me and your are the only guys with this shirt, were the beta test. Next version will have bigger lettering on the back and it will be white instead of red to make it stand out more. I love this shirt.
Uber shrinkage !!!
Maybe their grandparents tried to do the old ...Got your nose trick and missed...🤪😂
Or
Maybe they had bigger stomachs because we ALL know,
NOTHING grows in the shade..LOL
Cotton mills in the south were he'll. 90 degrees outside, 120 inside noise that would make your head ring and machines that would rip your fingers off. Sounds like a blast
I'm actually shocked that MORE people back then didn't just wig out. I certainly would have.
I remember when a was a little girl (five or six) I was pretty scared by the Halley's Comet that was then near the Earth, because my mother used to read psychology books, and she was reading something of Oliver Sacks about a mysterious disease that was spread first in Europe and then in all the world, the people war asleep YEARS long, and when they woke up they were unable to move and all covered in sweat, and no one had no idea what was this disease, WHERE he came from and WHY it disappeared.
And one of the hypothesis was that it came from A COMET. +_+; (comets and meteorites once provoked mass hysteria btw XD)
Oh wow, I knew about that Oliver Sacks book, but I never knew that a comet was one of the theories for causing that disease. That would have been horrifying to hear as a child. Now I'm glad I didn't know about it back then!
@@13OClockPodcast aha indeed! XD
Paul Masson is the wine
Millennial with babies and a cat here. Send help!
I was listening to an episode of Those Conspiracy Guys on the true crime story of The Sodder children, that's worth looking into for a future show.
I definitely want to do a show on this! I wrote about them in the 1st volume of Faceless Villain and I've talked about them a bit on other podcasts where I was a guest, but I'm curious to hear Tom's take on it.
I've never heard of this case, but just read up on it on Wikipedia to get a general idea of what it's about. One thing that really jumped out at me was the whole conspiracy theory about it involving the Sicilian mafia due to anti-Mussolini comments made by George Sodder… which puzzles me.
I don't know much about the history of the relationship between the Sicilian mafia and Mussolini, but I do know that Mussolini actively opposed the mafia in Sicily and tried to get rid of it. I also know a lot of Italian immigrants came to the US specifically to get away from Mussolini and his fascist regime, so why would anti-Mussolini remarks from a fellow Italian immigrant cause such a potentially horrific response? Let alone to the point of the Sicilian mafia undertaking such efforts to hurt and presumably try to kill one individual and his family for simply making anti-Mussolini remarks?
Tom's a war history buff, so I'm very curious to hear what he has to say about that aspect of it.
I always div yr intros, that brief few seconds b4 yr usual intro part!!!!
The original Suspiria is awesome.
All I'm gonna say is, I better see a "Dick Thief" t-shirt in the next batch.
I definitely have to do one! Also, I can't believe I didn't think to insert King Missile's song "Detachable Penis" in this episode anywhere. (And yes, I did use the word insert deliberately, haha.)
Wasn't it Paul Masson ??? Orson was the spokesman for
And now Bruce McArthur is going to make us scared of mall santas
1:24:52. That had to be the greatest joke ever.
Tom: big dick culture lol
Jenny: actually started in china.
Tom: o never mind
Lmao😂🤣
Yeah ahahahah
I already knew he was gonna say that a nanosecond after I said "China." Hahaha.
When it comes to wine its hard to beat 2 buck chuck
Ah, hysteria...Maybe this is the reason why The Yellow Wallpaper is one of my favorite short stories. But aside from being driven insane by the very people trying to save one from it, isn’t this whole mass dancing thing kind of like the whole “speaking in tongues” thing of evangelicals? I mean does anyone actually believe those people are speaking in tongues? F*ck no. One person starts babbling like a banshee, they all do because who wants to get caught not filled with the Holy Spirit in the middle of a Sunday sermon? At some point, deviant behavior becomes normal when more people are doing it than not no matter how strange it seems, especially when not doing it could lead to some sort of judgment. There are so many other factors that could have historically influenced behavior en masse too-ergot poisoning, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning-all of which are known to have powerful psychological effects and which were regularly found in products used by many people. Too, I know you guys said this is not necessarily a paranormal episode, but I am going to go there. I think women have an extra sense that men do not have. I think some are far more in tune to it than others. I also think that it is somehow directly related to the fact that women are child bearers, whether or not they actually have children. But I definitely believe there is some level of intuition that is hardwired in women but not in men that may be behind some of these incidents of “mass hysteria”. I think that’s why when you watch true crime shows, you often hear women remark that they just knew something was wrong or that so and so wasn’t okay or that they can just feel that someone is alive or dead. I truly believe there is credibility in those claims. Also, you are totally right about music altering brain waves. I completely buy that theory. It’s one of the theories being asserted about Stonehenge now. There are scholars asserting that it was maybe a great big drum circle/temple because it has unique acoustics, and percussion sounds alter brain waves. So they believe it was perhaps arranged with the intent to put people in an altered state of mind. I’ve been to Stonehenge. I didn’t really get any vibes from it. As a matter of fact, it ranks as one of my biggest travel disappointments. But, then again, there were no drums playing, not to mention you can’t even really get all that close. It’s just stupid. One of those stop the car, snap a photo, and continue on kind of deals. But maybe I just experienced it out of context. I’m willing to accept that. It’s also interesting to note that sound waves can be used to levitate things. About clowns, my mom was a clown. I grew up totally not scared of clowns. The people of her troupe were lovely in and out of makeup. They didn't even make money on what they did. They were volunteers of the Children's Hospital of Cincinnati and helped cheer up patients. I got to meet the people of Ringling Brothers who gave me some amazing stories while my mother attended their clown college. Trust me. Backstage at the circus is super fun if you're a kid. On a side note, why doesn’t Tom have a nice comfy office chair too? This is the first time I’ve noticed this. I kind of felt sorry for him.
I guess Tom could have a comfy office chair too (or could sit in mine), but he never asked, haha. He only sits in my office when we're recording the show, so he usually just grabs whatever chair is convenient (usually from the dining room).
I actually love "The Yellow Wallpaper." It's easily one of my favorite short stories. I find it so sad because even though in a lot of ways things are better now, women in particular can still relate to the protagonist's opinions and feelings being dismissed or discounted in the story because obviously the men knew what was good for her, even though they were making her sicker by their actions.
I do kind of agree with you on the "women having an extra sense" thing to an extent. I'm actually one of those people who thinks that men and women are way more alike than they are different, and I think most of that "Mars and Venus" stuff is bullshit, but in a general sense, men's and women's thought processes and communication styles can be different enough that misunderstandings and conflict are pretty common. From a broad perspective, women seem far more attuned to others' feelings than men do, which is kind of like an extra sense, because it's akin to a sort of telepathy I suppose.
I actually never had a problem with clowns. I can see why some people find them scary, but I never did, even after I read "IT." When I was little my main fears were sharks and cockroaches, haha. Actually I'm still afraid of both those things!
Snakes. That's my biggest phobia. I'm deathly afraid of snakes. I won't even go into the reptile house at the zoo or watch movies or television shows with them. There was an episode of the X Files back in the day that involved a snake from which I still have nightmares. I literally went running from the room several weeks ago when they were trying to drain the venom from a big one on an episode of American Horror Story. I couldn't watch. My goddaughter actually made fun of me when we were trying to watch Harry Potter at the cinema and I was going crazy. Also, since I moved to the desert, scorpions. Those things are creepy, especially the baby ones. I hate them, which is funny, because my astrological sign is Scorpio.
Weren't there modern case(s) of chemicals emanating from people?
I think the chemical was DMS04
I can remember that one case of the woman in the emergency room who seemed to be emitting some chemicals that caused some of the doctors and nurses to pass out and get sick. That was a weird-ass case!
Yes, that's the one...no explanation as far as I know
is that what the people in footloose were afraid of?
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE, KEVIN BACON.
The Ministry of Defence over here recently released all the encounters Royal Air Force pilots had with UFO's too, but they basically just said they didn't know what they were!
@@MrJadams70rn I'm British, so it's defence
Huh. I didnt even know you could spell it with an S. A teaching moment.
Dude, where da fuk did u get that shirt?? I love Snake Plissken!!!
I actually made it! It's here: www.zazzle.com/snake_plissken_escape_from_new_york_inspired_shirt-235466516922578348
Hey also, I think I keep bugging u guys about my interest & assistance in writing a book, I think I guys might find interesting as well, lemme know if u might b interested in my ideas,pls, U guys r
Rock!!
Gen Z is like a more motivated Gen X. They are the hope for us!!! (I'm genX and my teenager is genZ.)
I live where the clowns were on the sc nd border
1:05:55 - Paul Masson wine! "We will sell no wine before it's time." Ha ha ha! ruclips.net/video/5C6EwLTAvHc/видео.html
Hahaha yeah man you called it..hahahaah shit only our generation would know..haha
Yes and you guys were spot on. That damned Nostradamus semi-documentary thing had me hooked! Must've re-watched that on HBO 5 or 6 times then rented it down the road. Bottom line, he did a pretty respectable job pedaling products with just his voice alone. Add him in a nice room with a swanky looking backdrop and watch the sales increase!
I laughed a little too hard at anal sex being the " loophole" 🤦
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BTW, if you don't know that song, it's REALLY NSFW. Hahaha.
I did not know that song but I'm so glad that I now do 😂
You guys deserve more subs and views.
You know how they cured hysteria right? That's why Vibrators were invented. Women would go to the doctor to have a "hysterical paroxysm" aka orgasm. If some dude in a clown suit with a knife jumps out at me at night, he's getting drawn on. Lol
I'm so mad that I forgot to mention the "hysteria leading to invention of vibrator" aspect. At least the whole ridiculous brouhaha had a silver lining!