i don't know. it's close between him, barkley, and iverson. i've also realized though that we sort of ignore players that haven't retired yet. carmelo and cp3 for example haven't won a ring, but a lot of the time they aren't in conversations.
Thanks you if you had more people hanging on your massive arms it would in cress the turnover. Yet on the other hand his FG% was always high. The shot still counted if it went in. If it didn't it wasn't counted as a shot. So the FG would go up.
Love these 90's Jazz teams centered around Stockton and Malone. Amazing how much talent the Phil Jackson bulls (and Olajuwan's Rockets) kept from achieving a ring.
About time somebody realize that mj was not the only player to keep players from gettn they ring olajuwon & the rockets beat seattle,utah,phoenix (twice being down 3-1) & ny in the finals dream kept the rings aways almost as much as jordan lol
@@deandreray3500 I Think they beat the bulls esp with cylde but it dont matter houston did what they had to do (twice) and mj cant never say he beat them
He’s a very underrated rebounder. He averaged over 10 rebounds per game as a 4 playing with all time great rebounders such as Barkley, Moses Malone, Hakeem, Rodman, Robinson, Duncan, KG, Shaq, Mutumbo, and Ewing
@@jackdamenace13 Problem is, not many people know about it. Also, it's not just his shortcomings as a dad. He had sex with a 13 year old when he was 20
If you magically erase Jordan out of existence you get a much more balanced 90s. Its amazing how one team under the best player of the decade just ruined so many HOF legacies. Imagine Clyde getting one chip for the blazers (1992), or the pistons 3 peating (1991), suns getting their first chip of the franchise (1993) like Raptors did in 2019. Hakeem 94 & 95. Seattle Sonics get their first chip in 96. Karl leading the Jazz gets 2. Maybe Ewing or Reggie leading the Knicks, & Pacers respectively get one each. Or at the very least make it to the finals in their careers. Imagine in 1998 Jazz vs Pacers. It could go either way imo. But that just goes to show how dominant MJ Bulls were. Honestly only the 80s Lakers come close. The 60s Celtics being even more dominant than the 90s Bulls over their contemperaries.
I always point out that at 40yrs old, Phil Jackson said that Malone was the most important player on the Lakers. He had to guard Yao Ming, then Duncan, then Garnett all in their primes in the playoffs that year and unfortunately re-injured himself and was a non-factor in the Finals. Also, sorry but Michael > Karl, Pippen > Stockton, Kukoc > Hornacek the add Rodman. The Bulls were better and should have won. No shame for the Jazz.
Head to head Malone's stats exceed Shaqs in every category, though they're close. Had Malone won 1,2, or even 3 rings - having him on your top ten all time list would almost be a must.
2nd best power forward ever in my opinion. He 2nd all time leading scorer in NBA history, 2 time MVP, member of Dream team, been to 3 finals, 8 western conference finals, and nickname the mailman. He's not good, he's great.
I think Malone prospered greatly because of the coaching system in Utah (Jerry Sloan) and John Stockton. U heard orther pg's giving Stockton props but no PF's giving Malone props as top all timer..
How good was malone? John Stockton became all time assist leader by basically just passing him the ball. He had not only tremendous strength in the post to back down and score with a nice hook shoot or thunder dunk, he had unguardable face up jumper and fade away..he made scoring easy by being versatile and attacking opponents weakness. Underrated
You better tell that to Gary Payton, who says John Stockton was the toughest person to guard in the NBA. P.S. What about Stockton being the All-Time leader in Steals? Is that because of Malone, too?
@Biskit Kitty oh you mean the 10 out of those 14.5 assists running the same play to the same guy 70% of offensive sets instead of being the real #2 offensive guy to Malone the Jazz desperately needed all those years they were falling short of a title? Calling Malone overrated that outplayed HOF PFs Barkley and Duncan in b2b playoff years h2h whereas the great Stockton in that decade was getting his ass kicked playoff series losses by guys like Kenny Smith and Terry Porter who will only see the HOF by paying the cover charge is the underrated one? 🤣 Stop making me laugh
@Biskit Kitty pfft if he concentrated on being a true #2 than running the same play 70% of the time to the same guy the Jazz wouldve won a title at some point. Steals? The guy could not guard anyone well 1 on 1. Good at playing passing lanes and sagging off his man...yes. 1 on 1 absolutely not. Porter abused him in 92 as badly as Hakeem did to Robinson in 95. He couldn't even keep career role player Kenny Smith from going off on him in b2b years. I take what Payton says with a grain of salt. A guy that never developed into the #2 his team needed being more harder to guard thanJordan 🤣 . Guy is still bitter about the 96 Finals
Before he Retire in 2004, I Consider him and Barkley are the Best or Second best PF.... but 2000 era has one of the Best and Talented PF. Timmy Dirk KG CWebb Pau... i guess he Ranked Top 5 or maybe Top 3 in all time list
Cameron Isam and he ran into mj if all the people you name ran into mj wouldn’t of made it by the way dirks my fav player don’t really like kg but I disagree and I’m a mans fan
I'm biased because of my love for KU Basketball. When Greg Ostertag went to the Jazz I became a fan until after the Bulls/Jazz battles happened and I love everyone that was involved with that series. Karl Malone is one of my favorite players of all time.
I think Karl Malone was one of the best all time to not win a ring. Very consistent. I really enjoyed watching those great Jazz teams with Malone and Stockton and rooted for them. Sometimes it just might be the era you were drafted in. I always wished the Jazz could have won one of those Finals versus the Bulls, but the Bulls were so mentally tough and so tough to contend with Jordan and those great teams. Sometimes your window as a team is like one or two seasons when you get to the Finals, and If you don't get it done, then it doesn't happen. I really enjoyed the video and the commentary.
Absolutely great video man. Malone was a beast :) when I was a kid in the late 90s I was a Jordan fan so malone was a villain to me, but as I've gotten older, ive really learned to appreciate how badass he is n became a big fan of his. Much love
People forget that before Duncan, Malone was considered the best PF of all time, and it wasn't even a question. And considering Duncan played most of his career at center, you could argue Malone had the better career as a PF. (Don't worry, I think Duncan is better than Malone)
Correction, at 5:00 Karl was a 39-year old for the entire 2002-03 season and didn't turn 40 until the beginning of the 2003-04. That makes his the second best season a 39-year old has ever had since MJ averaged 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 5.2 apg at the same age (after coming out of a second retirement, no less). The best season a 40-year old has ever had also goes to Jordan, who averaged 20, 6.1, 3.8 (playing a ridiculous full 82-game schedule), whereas Malone's numbers dropped precipitously to 13.2, 8.7, and 3.9, where he was only able to play half a season, which is still pretty damn good!
As a die hard rockets fan who was fortunate to watch the many battles against the Jazz in the 90’s, I can absolutely attest that Karl Malone was simply sensationally.
We do recognize him on the court, a super talented choker who couldn’t make a damn free throw and kept losing to MJ. But still top 5 power forward of all time
@@darielrolon6959 Lebron has been as heavy as 270lbs in Miami. He carries it different with really big quads, hamstrings, tie-ins. I don’t think he’s been any less than 250lbs since after maybe his 5th season
The Mailman and the Brown Mound of Rebound are my choices for most dominant PFs without a ring. Both are very close, but if I had to choose, the Mailman edges out Barkley.
One of them for sure. No one ran pick and roll better than him and Stock. For someone who had such brute strength he had a surprising amount of finesse to his shot. He was just missing that clutch play at times which would have took the Jazz all the way. Hopefully we’ll see the Jazz back to the finals in the next few years.. 🤞
@@nkohu Pippen was carried by Jordan, he got no right to talk if his best season was 22 ppg and he was called "MVP Caliber" when people were dropping 30 a night and in the conversation
Not really, his playoff stats for his career are 25pts 10 rb on 46% shooting. In his prime its closer to 30 12 and 50%. Pippin is actually the one who was more likely to bomb in the playoffs.
@Tee Culture 2009 WCSF: Lakers vs Rockets ( 4-3 ) No T-Mac, No Yao Ming, Rockets best player was Aaron Brooks Still needed 7 games to beat the Rockets. Game 7, Kobe Bryant = 14-ppg FG-33% Pau Gasol = 21-ppg FG-52%
Pau should try and come back for one more season with the Lakers for the 2020-21 season to finish his career. He's even talked about it so hopefully it happens.
I say the Mt. Rushmore for NBA players to never get a ring are Karl Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Iverson. Don't want to put anyone playing right now that still has a chance to win one.
Great vid. I think you should do one of these next: How Good Was Dennis Johnson Really? How Good Was Pau Gasol Really? How Good Was Bill Walton Really? How Good Was Rick Barry Really? How Good Was Vince Carter Really? How Good Was Dwyane Wade Really? How Good Was Dave Cowens Really? How Good Was Walt Frazier Really? How Good Was Jason Kidd Really? How Good Was Elvin Hayes Really? How Good Was Ray Allen Really? How Good Was Tiny Archibald Really? How Good Was Bob McAdoo Really? How Good Was Robert Parish Really? How Good Was Kevin Johnson Really? How Good Was Shawn Kemp Really? How Good Was Joe Dumars Really? How Good Was Earl Monroe Really? How Good Was Wes Unseld Really? How Good Was Steve Nash Really? How Good Was Bob Pettit Really?
He's done about 10 of those. Really Micheal Finley had he played in the East from 2003-2012 he would've made 10 straight All Star games and probably average 26 every year. But he played in the West during the 90's with players like Kobe, Jones, Sprewell, Parker, Stockton, Payton, Garnett, Dirk, Webber, Peja, Duncan
The turnovers are more a product of high usage rate. Barkley and Moses Malone had a similar career per game turnover rate (slightly above 3), Hakeem and Ewing weren't that far off, and btw, Kevin Durant also has an above 3 career turnovers per game.
My Dad hated the 1990s basketball but he loved one team. Utah Jazz. He liked Karl Malone and Stockton because they were so fun to watch. My Dad is 50 now and he grew up in the 80s watching Bird and Magic as we live in Boston but this proves Malone is a all time great. He might be the GOAT who never won a ring because of Jordan.
Karl Malone was in talks with Greg Popovich about possibly joining the Spurs after his time with the Lakers. Ultimately, he decided to retire instead and the Spurs won the championship that year. It was another "what if" moment in the Mailman's otherwise amazing career.
Tony Parker is in the Mike Bibby category player. Good but not great. If he had not won a ring. He will go down in history as one of the player who is just one step to being in hall of fame. But because of the five title he is sure hit to make it to hof
@@choosiheng5493 Parker was a lot better than Bibby. He was much quicker and faster. Also better ball handler and mid range shooter. Also jumped about 5-10 inches higher. also just had that ability to win that doesn't show up on stat sheets. Parker is a top 10 PG of all time. Without the Rings he is probably about the 15th best PG of all time but he has those Rings too.
I remember the first time I ever saw the mailman...it was about 1998 & I saw this highlight of he dunking the ball as hard he could & getting really fired up from it (& 11-year old me's only reaction was "Wow, I really like this guy!)
I was at that Milwaukee game. It was right after he got snubbed for an all-star starting position (in favor of AC Green 😂).Probably the greatest performance I ever witnessed. Especially considering he played only 33 minutes because it was such a blowout. I remember pretty much every shot he missed he got the rebound and put it back in. Amazing! Speaking of the Bucks, how about a How Good was Sid Moncrief? Great all around player.
I'm not a Jazz fan but hands down, Malone is greatest Power Foward I have ever seen. Championships are a team accolade not an individual one. You can't pass the ball to yourself and you can't defend all five opponents by yourself. The only thing that's related to a championship that's an individual accolade is Finals MVP, period.
I remember someone saying that Karl Malone was more conditioned to play basketball than any other athlete in the world was to play their sport. The man was a beast.
Karl Malone was the lebron james of that era. Only difference is Karl Malone accepted his role and allowed the PG to do his job! And guess who kept him from that ring? MJ all day!
He wasn't a good player, he was a great player who continually worked on his game and kept in great shape. Most people only watched him a few times a year. It's a team game and the jazz never had the across the board talent of the powerhouse teams did. I watched him all 19 years at least 50 games a Year. He was an unstoppable talent , very strong and had great touch, his passing got very good in the mid to late 90 s. Even playing mostly below the rim for most of his career he was still dominant. People say tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time. I disagree, Duncan was great and a true center playing out of position. They both played 19 years. Malone has 12,000 more career points than Duncan. That's not a small disparity.
@@tombatchelor8333 Yeah but that was alleged. You have to understand that the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape have accused 3 men of rape in the past, with all the cases (2 REALLY definitively) being proven false. Evidently, the woman has accused people in the past of a wrondoing they did not commit. On top of that, there were no eye witnesses and really shaky evidence. In my opinion, they both had consensual sex and then later she decided she wanted some clout and then started accusing Tyson of rape. The fact that Tyson, the baddest man on the planet, is now hesitant to go into a room with a woman alone is telling.
He's easily the best player to never win a championship. He's the third best player of the 90's (behind only MJ and Hakeem). He's the first or second best PF of all time (yes it IS debatable who was better between him and Duncan). And he's a top 10/12 player of all time.
In my opinion he's the best power forward of all time. He had no rings, but he just was playing in wrong times with (sometimes) wrong teams. Duncan would also have no rings, if he play in 1990-2000, as Karl did
What would really be interesting is putting together a team with the best players in history who never won a chip, and seeing how that team would fare against other great teams.
I miss the durability of Jordan era superstars. Dude was almost forty and he was playing every game. I love Kawhi, and his recovery regimen obviously paid off, but it would be nice to see him play more.
Hard to hold the lack of championships against him, considering how competitive the west was in the 90s, plus the Bulls waiting at the end. Malone was incredibly consistent and productive for a very long time, and his teams were very good. The only thing missing is the ability to own the clutch enough during the big moments. Still, there's a decent argument for Malone being the best PF ever, if you consider Duncan a center.
He’s in the conversation as the 2nd best PF ever with Dirk, KG, and Barkley Wish I could put McHale in there, but he dropped off after only 2 or 3 years at his best
Consider how Garnett and Dirk started to running out of gas in the tank when they were 35-37 y/o and Malone just to decrease because of the injuries in his last year, it's something really underrated about Malone. Arguably the 3 best PF behind TD and Dirk (2011 championship run still is more impressive than Malone's consistency throughout his 19 years). I feel like Utah as a franchise could have done more to Malone and Stockton, like get a third core talented player. But, Malone is the greatest players without a championship.
i would really like to see a ranking of the truly great players. by that i mean players who were great on both sides of the court. not just great scorers who played no d like harden for example, and players who had great d but couldn't score like rodman for example. just off the top of my head i think the list would include mj of course, wilt, stockton, duncan... but to me that would be the true definition of great
The Mailman was a beast. He & John Stockton basically mastered the pick and roll. Career suffered only because of the era he played In aka the Jordan era
I feel like pass first guards don't help winning that much in today's NBA. Look at the spurs and warriors. They use team passing and ball movement to win not just one single playmaker
John Stockton should've been more offensive minded. He had the skills to average over 20 points for a few years in his prime. I saw him take over a game in the finals in 1997, he literally won the game for the Jazz.
I feel like his off the court troubles, notorious dirty plays and his bitterness towards Jordan have taken away from his legacy. He was definitely a great player who just happened to play in the wrong era.
@Justus Bowman In years past he routinely sounds very bitter when discussing MJ and the Bulls. A lot of people chock it up to him being bitter over those two championships.
@@stephensandin451 Barkley still didn't had the midrange jumper like Malone so even Barkley with Stockton he still wouldn't have won anything. Barkley was more skilled however Malone was way more consistent and effective and efficient.
@@stephensandin451 what would he won? First off as Pip say Chuck didn't used to put in the work he wasn't dedicated, on the other hand you can argue Malone got better and kept his body in peak condition to compete. Look at Chuck when he left phoenix smh.
People dont realize how small a market Utah is. They've never drawn free agents and what he and Stockton did was remarkable. When they finally built a supporting cast they had to face what might have been the best team ever (90s Bulls, especially second 3 peat).
Karl Malone was an amazing range shooter for any basketball position. His jump shot was smooth and deadly. He and Stockton deserve a ring but the problem for the Jazz, they needed a third good player. Jordan has Pippen and Rodman. Jazz needed a good center player as Ostertag was really really bad.
Malone was a better shooter than Lebron for most of his career. Lebron finally developed a consistent outside shot in his thirties. Interestingly, both had similar builds.
@@shade0180 Hakeem didn't win his championships against the Bulls and Jordan. Not taking anything from his greatness but you need to put the whole picture.
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Is Karl Malone the best player who never won a championship?
Allen Iverson
Charles Barkley
i don't know. it's close between him, barkley, and iverson. i've also realized though that we sort of ignore players that haven't retired yet. carmelo and cp3 for example haven't won a ring, but a lot of the time they aren't in conversations.
Or Patrick Ewing
@Freedy machete i forgot about him and i'm a knicks fan. wow.
Any criticisms of him are pretty minor
Damn that's a pretty clever pun lol
ALMOST..went over my head! I was about to say, .."oh really, ypu might wanna look up the time.....
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Nice!
That is both hilarious and completely messed up.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You almost got me bro. Hahaha
Crazy that him being the all-time leader in free throws made is not mentioned
Thanks you if you had more people hanging on your massive arms it would in cress the turnover. Yet on the other hand his FG% was always high. The shot still counted if it went in. If it didn't it wasn't counted as a shot. So the FG would go up.
Top 10 in scoring and rebounding, enough said. Great player, enough said.🙂
Couldnt make a damn free throw in the clutch tho 🤷♂️
Because the ones he missed were all in the clutch.
Karl Malone and John Stockton are the best pick and roll duo of all time! 🔥
He was such a beast. He made everyone on the court look like 13 year old girls. Everyone was afraid of him coming at them.
Love these 90's Jazz teams centered around Stockton and Malone. Amazing how much talent the Phil Jackson bulls (and Olajuwan's Rockets) kept from achieving a ring.
About time somebody realize that mj was not the only player to keep players from gettn they ring olajuwon & the rockets beat seattle,utah,phoenix (twice being down 3-1) & ny in the finals dream kept the rings aways almost as much as jordan lol
FastLife Entertainment lets be honest tho houston doesn’t get a ring if MJ doesn’t retire
@@deandreray3500 I Think they beat the bulls esp with cylde but it dont matter houston did what they had to do (twice) and mj cant never say he beat them
Also the Jazz coach was rather conservative and never tried anything else
1998 WCSF: Jazz vs Spurs ( 4-1 )
Spurs:
Tim Duncan ( age 21 ) - All-star 1998,
David Robinson - All-star 1998,
Avery Johnson,
Popovic.
Karl Malone ( underrated )
He was amazing offensively (a very underrated passer) and defensively, and he had one of the most impressive careers ever, even without a ring.
He’s a very underrated rebounder. He averaged over 10 rebounds per game as a 4 playing with all time great rebounders such as
Barkley, Moses Malone, Hakeem, Rodman, Robinson, Duncan, KG, Shaq, Mutumbo, and Ewing
As a player, he was great. As a person...
Anime Sage Some people are acting like his shortcomings as a dad are news. 😂
This again...like we haven't heard about this 1000X already
@@jackdamenace13 Problem is, not many people know about it. Also, it's not just his shortcomings as a dad. He had sex with a 13 year old when he was 20
Anime Sage I know. I’ve been following the nba since the 2004-05 season. I’ve known about the 13 yr old since then.
He also made passes at Kobe's wife when they played on the same team, and then tried to instigate a fight when Kobe confronted him about it
Honestly him and Stockton are one the top three duos .
Wbt Kareem and Magic, MJ and Scottie and Shaq and Kobe?
Great duo indeed but there are even greater ones in NBA history:
Jordan-Pippen
Magic-Kareem
Curry-Durant
Shaq-Kobe
Lebron-Wade
@@playoffp6704 both you and Louie are right.
@@simple45679 DeMarcus cousins and technical fouls.
@Greg A???
I looked up this video before in your channel and I didn't find it, I'm very happy, You're the Best Jonny
Karl Malone lost out on two championships and 4 scoring titles because of Jordan
If you magically erase Jordan out of existence you get a much more balanced 90s. Its amazing how one team under the best player of the decade just ruined so many HOF legacies. Imagine Clyde getting one chip for the blazers (1992), or the pistons 3 peating (1991), suns getting their first chip of the franchise (1993) like Raptors did in 2019. Hakeem 94 & 95. Seattle Sonics get their first chip in 96. Karl leading the Jazz gets 2. Maybe Ewing or Reggie leading the Knicks, & Pacers respectively get one each. Or at the very least make it to the finals in their careers. Imagine in 1998 Jazz vs Pacers. It could go either way imo.
But that just goes to show how dominant MJ Bulls were. Honestly only the 80s Lakers come close. The 60s Celtics being even more dominant than the 90s Bulls over their contemperaries.
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo Sonics got a Chip in 79, but this is an excellent analysis
Bayek Of Siwa that’s a bold statement to make considering which bulls roster you pick (whether 91-93 or 96-98) has a 3 peat
@Jon Davis Malone's numbers are better than Duncan's. BTW Tim Duncan's played with more talented players throughout his career.
I always point out that at 40yrs old, Phil Jackson said that Malone was the most important player on the Lakers. He had to guard Yao Ming, then Duncan, then Garnett all in their primes in the playoffs that year and unfortunately re-injured himself and was a non-factor in the Finals. Also, sorry but Michael > Karl, Pippen > Stockton, Kukoc > Hornacek the add Rodman. The Bulls were better and should have won. No shame for the Jazz.
Hes one of my personal favorites, definitely top 5 for me, him and Stockton were a great duo.
He was a dirty player too
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA I gotta say your name is on point lol Wilt Chamberlain is definitely one of my absolute favorites
@Bayek Of Siwa you got a point there
@@derylbrightjr.4460 I cant argue there, I may be a fan of his but I can't argue with that lol
The Mailman is a top 5 PF and a top 20 overall player. Special
Head to head Malone's stats exceed Shaqs in every category, though they're close. Had Malone won 1,2, or even 3 rings - having him on your top ten all time list would almost be a must.
If Malone has some championships, he can argueably be the greatest power forward of all time.
Facts. People have no idea just how much impact Jordan had on many greats in the 90s
Tim D.
He’s not even close to being the greatest PF stop it he’s the 3 best after KG, in Duncan
@@eb5857 Amen!
Danell Austin obviously you dindnt watch the 90s a old Malone destroyed a Tim Duncan but I do take tim Duncan over him Malone’s 2 no argument
2nd best power forward ever in my opinion. He 2nd all time leading scorer in NBA history, 2 time MVP, member of Dream team, been to 3 finals, 8 western conference finals, and nickname the mailman. He's not good, he's great.
Tim D. Best pf
Dirk 2nd best
Freedy machete dirk not better than KG stop it
Karl Malone is the 3 best greatest power forward
Danell Austin yes he is. Ten times better. Look at the numbers.
Nah I gotta go with MJ's 39 and 40 year old seasons. His numbers were crazy for that age and he'd been retired for three years as well.
I think Malone prospered greatly because of the coaching system in Utah (Jerry Sloan) and John Stockton. U heard orther pg's giving Stockton props but no PF's giving Malone props as top all timer..
How good was malone? John Stockton became all time assist leader by basically just passing him the ball. He had not only tremendous strength in the post to back down and score with a nice hook shoot or thunder dunk, he had unguardable face up jumper and fade away..he made scoring easy by being versatile and attacking opponents weakness. Underrated
You better tell that to Gary Payton, who says John Stockton was the toughest person to guard in the NBA.
P.S. What about Stockton being the All-Time leader in Steals? Is that because of Malone, too?
@Biskit Kitty Stockton is hugely overrated. The only great thing about him was his longevity and almost never missing a game
@Biskit Kitty oh you mean the 10 out of those 14.5 assists running the same play to the same guy 70% of offensive sets instead of being the real #2 offensive guy to Malone the Jazz desperately needed all those years they were falling short of a title?
Calling Malone overrated that outplayed HOF PFs Barkley and Duncan in b2b playoff years h2h whereas the great Stockton in that decade was getting his ass kicked playoff series losses by guys like Kenny Smith and Terry Porter who will only see the HOF by paying the cover charge is the underrated one? 🤣
Stop making me laugh
@Biskit Kitty pfft if he concentrated on being a true #2 than running the same play 70% of the time to the same guy the Jazz wouldve won a title at some point.
Steals? The guy could not guard anyone well 1 on 1. Good at playing passing lanes and sagging off his man...yes. 1 on 1 absolutely not. Porter abused him in 92 as badly as Hakeem did to Robinson in 95. He couldn't even keep career role player Kenny Smith from going off on him in b2b years.
I take what Payton says with a grain of salt. A guy that never developed into the #2 his team needed being more harder to guard thanJordan 🤣 . Guy is still bitter about the 96 Finals
Before he Retire in 2004, I Consider him and Barkley are the Best or Second best PF.... but 2000 era has one of the Best and Talented PF. Timmy Dirk KG CWebb Pau... i guess he Ranked Top 5 or maybe Top 3 in all time list
@Cameron Isam prople forget malone is one of the best defensive pf too.
He owned shaq and duncan.
Cameron Isam and he ran into mj if all the people you name ran into mj wouldn’t of made it by the way dirks my fav player don’t really like kg but I disagree and I’m a mans fan
Mavs
Reality Bites and hell no compared to shaq or Duncan he’s no where near
@Cameron Isam neither one of those three had to face Jordan...
I'm biased because of my love for KU Basketball. When Greg Ostertag went to the Jazz I became a fan until after the Bulls/Jazz battles happened and I love everyone that was involved with that series. Karl Malone is one of my favorite players of all time.
Karl Malone ! The Mailman ! The Mail Comes Just About Every Day ! Delivery’s ! One Tuff Old Boyee !
I think Karl Malone was one of the best all time to not win a ring. Very consistent. I really enjoyed watching those great Jazz teams with Malone and Stockton and rooted for them. Sometimes it just might be the era you were drafted in. I always wished the Jazz could have won one of those Finals versus the Bulls, but the Bulls were so mentally tough and so tough to contend with Jordan and those great teams. Sometimes your window as a team is like one or two seasons when you get to the Finals, and If you don't get it done, then it doesn't happen. I really enjoyed the video and the commentary.
Absolutely great video man. Malone was a beast :) when I was a kid in the late 90s I was a Jordan fan so malone was a villain to me, but as I've gotten older, ive really learned to appreciate how badass he is n became a big fan of his. Much love
Karl Malone was that guy. Dominant and efficient.
People forget that before Duncan, Malone was considered the best PF of all time, and it wasn't even a question. And considering Duncan played most of his career at center, you could argue Malone had the better career as a PF. (Don't worry, I think Duncan is better than Malone)
Facts
Karl Malone definitely top 25 all time, Duncan definitely top 10. Great take 👍🏼
Was Duncan really better than Malone? I think the 5 championships are playing a big part in that perception.
Samuel Pérez García nah Duncan was better at everything except scoring tbh
@@djlynch2153 no. Malone was a better scorer and better on ball defender. He shut Duncan down at 40.
Correction, at 5:00 Karl was a 39-year old for the entire 2002-03 season and didn't turn 40 until the beginning of the 2003-04. That makes his the second best season a 39-year old has ever had since MJ averaged 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 5.2 apg at the same age (after coming out of a second retirement, no less).
The best season a 40-year old has ever had also goes to Jordan, who averaged 20, 6.1, 3.8 (playing a ridiculous full 82-game schedule), whereas Malone's numbers dropped precipitously to 13.2, 8.7, and 3.9, where he was only able to play half a season, which is still pretty damn good!
Karl is the second oldest player to win 6th man of the year I believe. Behind Jordan
Malone is the greatest PF of all-time hands down. With or without a ring. 🐐
But i still think tim duncan is the better pf than malone
As a die hard rockets fan who was fortunate to watch the many battles against the Jazz in the 90’s, I can absolutely attest that Karl Malone was simply sensationally.
My favorite series of yours
RIP Jerry Sloan.
Never cared for him but he's a top 5 PF of all time probably top 3.
LOVE THE CHANNEL
#MvpTheGoat
Second best PF of all time, def a top 10 NBA player and easily the best player to never win a ring ! Great video
Top 10 NBA player? How
i wish people recognized karl for what he does on the court and not off it.
Well for a basketball discussion we’ll do that but as a person he’s disgusting
@Greg A ...It wasn't rape...but it was still f**ked up
@@bensimmonswillneverhita3317 not really, it depends if there is reciprocity
@@toutestvanite350 not in America. Look up statutory rape
We do recognize him on the court, a super talented choker who couldn’t make a damn free throw and kept losing to MJ. But still top 5 power forward of all time
Great videos!! Format editing narrating all on point glad I found your
channel. Jonny "All-Nett" Arnett
Karl Malone delivering the stats
It’s crazy when you think about the fact that Lebron James is the same size as Karl Malone.
Lebron is 240- 245....malone was 260 or plus at hes prime and a fisicle beast...lebron is not a fisicle player
@@darielrolon6959 fisicle?
@@darielrolon6959 Lebron has been as heavy as 270lbs in Miami. He carries it different with really big quads, hamstrings, tie-ins. I don’t think he’s been any less than 250lbs since after maybe his 5th season
@@swpdisciple in hes dream he was 270.....never bigger or stronger than karl malone....never
@@darielrolon6959 they’ve had him on a scale my man back when he was in Miami
3:37 The rarely seen Pippen “I just got schooled” face
The Mailman and the Brown Mound of Rebound are my choices for most dominant PFs without a ring. Both are very close, but if I had to choose, the Mailman edges out Barkley.
One of them for sure. No one ran pick and roll better than him and Stock. For someone who had such brute strength he had a surprising amount of finesse to his shot. He was just missing that clutch play at times which would have took the Jazz all the way. Hopefully we’ll see the Jazz back to the finals in the next few years.. 🤞
Karl Malone underperformed in playoffs. Like Pippen said, "Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays".
That’s my Mom’s favorite quote from an NBA player
And there you have it.
Did he really?
@@nkohu Pippen was carried by Jordan, he got no right to talk if his best season was 22 ppg and he was called "MVP Caliber" when people were dropping 30 a night and in the conversation
Not really, his playoff stats for his career are 25pts 10 rb on 46% shooting. In his prime its closer to 30 12 and 50%. Pippin is actually the one who was more likely to bomb in the playoffs.
Hands down the best power forward -power-!!!
You should do How Good was Pau Gasol Really?
He wasn’t that great but he was a good player
good but not as good as karl
great player top 10 power forward of all time
@Tee Culture
2009 WCSF: Lakers vs Rockets ( 4-3 )
No T-Mac,
No Yao Ming,
Rockets best player was Aaron Brooks
Still needed 7 games to beat the Rockets.
Game 7,
Kobe Bryant = 14-ppg FG-33%
Pau Gasol = 21-ppg FG-52%
Pau should try and come back for one more season with the Lakers for the 2020-21 season to finish his career. He's even talked about it so hopefully it happens.
Greatest player to never win a chip. Hands down
I say the Mt. Rushmore for NBA players to never get a ring are Karl Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Iverson. Don't want to put anyone playing right now that still has a chance to win one.
GABRIELA ACEVEDO Where’s Elgin Baylor?
Greg A no
@@jackdamenace13 i couldn't decide on Iverson or Baylor
@Greg A I'm not going to edit my comment but I agree with you. Either way people would've said this player over this player over that player.
Best power forward ever who would be great in any generation!
Pls do Walt Frazier cus I genuinely dunno if he’s overrated or underrated
Please do a “how good” on James Worthy!!!
He was really good! Actually great! Just played at the wrong time like many other greats, he ran into MJ.
these videos are gold
He’s first on my list for power forwards, last on the list for NBA players I’d trust with my daughter.
Great vid. I think you should do one of these next:
How Good Was Dennis Johnson Really?
How Good Was Pau Gasol Really?
How Good Was Bill Walton Really?
How Good Was Rick Barry Really?
How Good Was Vince Carter Really?
How Good Was Dwyane Wade Really?
How Good Was Dave Cowens Really?
How Good Was Walt Frazier Really?
How Good Was Jason Kidd Really?
How Good Was Elvin Hayes Really?
How Good Was Ray Allen Really?
How Good Was Tiny Archibald Really?
How Good Was Bob McAdoo Really?
How Good Was Robert Parish Really?
How Good Was Kevin Johnson Really?
How Good Was Shawn Kemp Really?
How Good Was Joe Dumars Really?
How Good Was Earl Monroe Really?
How Good Was Wes Unseld Really?
How Good Was Steve Nash Really?
How Good Was Bob Pettit Really?
Isiah Thomas
He's done about 10 of those. Really Micheal Finley had he played in the East from 2003-2012 he would've made 10 straight All Star games and probably average 26 every year. But he played in the West during the 90's with players like Kobe, Jones, Sprewell, Parker, Stockton, Payton, Garnett, Dirk, Webber, Peja, Duncan
Hardaway. ( Tim and Penny )
The turnovers are more a product of high usage rate. Barkley and Moses Malone had a similar career per game turnover rate (slightly above 3), Hakeem and Ewing weren't that far off, and btw, Kevin Durant also has an above 3 career turnovers per game.
I'd take Karl Malone on my All Time Top 5 anytime line up, any day of the week.
My Dad hated the 1990s basketball but he loved one team. Utah Jazz. He liked Karl Malone and Stockton because they were so fun to watch. My Dad is 50 now and he grew up in the 80s watching Bird and Magic as we live in Boston but this proves Malone is a all time great. He might be the GOAT who never won a ring because of Jordan.
Karl Malone was in talks with Greg Popovich about possibly joining the Spurs after his time with the Lakers. Ultimately, he decided to retire instead and the Spurs won the championship that year. It was another "what if" moment in the Mailman's otherwise amazing career.
Best power foward of all time.
Excellent video again
You should do How Good was Tony Parker really
At this point ppl overrating Ginobli, and undervaluing Parker. It's really sad
Eric Dupree but manu was nice af
Tony Parker would be interesting
Tony Parker is in the Mike Bibby category player. Good but not great. If he had not won a ring. He will go down in history as one of the player who is just one step to being in hall of fame. But because of the five title he is sure hit to make it to hof
@@choosiheng5493 Parker was a lot better than Bibby. He was much quicker and faster. Also better ball handler and mid range shooter. Also jumped about 5-10 inches higher. also just had that ability to win that doesn't show up on stat sheets.
Parker is a top 10 PG of all time. Without the Rings he is probably about the 15th best PG of all time but he has those Rings too.
I remember the first time I ever saw the mailman...it was about 1998 & I saw this highlight of he dunking the ball as hard he could & getting really fired up from it (& 11-year old me's only reaction was "Wow, I really like this guy!)
He was so handsome!!😊
MVP in evading child support.
Omg this again...................................................
@@PaulieAFantoneJays19 right, let's pretend it didn't happen
fennisdembo34 still a 2 time MVP and all time great. And still an Awful human being
fennisdembo34 let’s not pretend that everyone always brought up this subject to sound smart and knowledgeable
2 times
I was at that Milwaukee game. It was right after he got snubbed for an all-star starting position (in favor of AC Green 😂).Probably the greatest performance I ever witnessed. Especially considering he played only 33 minutes because it was such a blowout. I remember pretty much every shot he missed he got the rebound and put it back in. Amazing! Speaking of the Bucks, how about a How Good was Sid Moncrief? Great all around player.
I never liked Malone. First he used to antagonize my Pistons, then he went and joined Team DDP. Sucka! Can't deny though. Dude was a beast.
I'm not a Jazz fan but hands down, Malone is greatest Power Foward I have ever seen. Championships are a team accolade not an individual one. You can't pass the ball to yourself and you can't defend all five opponents by yourself. The only thing that's related to a championship that's an individual accolade is Finals MVP, period.
I remember someone saying that Karl Malone was more conditioned to play basketball than any other athlete in the world was to play their sport. The man was a beast.
Karl Malone was the lebron james of that era. Only difference is Karl Malone accepted his role and allowed the PG to do his job! And guess who kept him from that ring? MJ all day!
He was the best power forward in the league! My favourite player as a kid with Stockton and of course Jordan
He wasn't a good player, he was a great player who continually worked on his game and kept in great shape. Most people only watched him a few times a year. It's a team game and the jazz never had the across the board talent of the powerhouse teams did. I watched him all 19 years at least 50 games a Year. He was an unstoppable talent , very strong and had great touch, his passing got very good in the mid to late 90 s. Even playing mostly below the rim for most of his career he was still dominant. People say tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time. I disagree, Duncan was great and a true center playing out of position. They both played 19 years. Malone has 12,000 more career points than Duncan. That's not a small disparity.
Simply put, Karl Malone was the greatest power forward of his era. I was able to watch him throughout his career, so it's easy for me to remember.
I can’t fully appreciate him because of the messed up things he’s done off the court
I don’t understand why Karl Malone’s career gets so tarnished by his personal life when no one says the same about Mike Tyson being a rapist.
@@tombatchelor8333 Yeah but that was alleged. You have to understand that the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape have accused 3 men of rape in the past, with all the cases (2 REALLY definitively) being proven false. Evidently, the woman has accused people in the past of a wrondoing they did not commit. On top of that, there were no eye witnesses and really shaky evidence. In my opinion, they both had consensual sex and then later she decided she wanted some clout and then started accusing Tyson of rape. The fact that Tyson, the baddest man on the planet, is now hesitant to go into a room with a woman alone is telling.
He's easily the best player to never win a championship. He's the third best player of the 90's (behind only MJ and Hakeem). He's the first or second best PF of all time (yes it IS debatable who was better between him and Duncan). And he's a top 10/12 player of all time.
This so much. I would say Ewing was the 4th best player of the 90s and Charles 5th.
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo
1 ) MJ
2 ) Hakeem
3 ) Karl Malone
4 ) Charles Barkley
5 ) David Robinson,
6 ) Shaquille O"Neal
7 ) Patrick Ewing.
best player who has never won a title: he or Elgin Baylor
Or Charles Barkley
Karl is the best of those 3
@@mailman1790 there is no malone with John mate.
ONE OF MY IDOLS
Playing in Wallmart shoes throughout his prime makes him better than others in his era.. lmao.. 😁👍
He wouldnt be the greatest pf if he had two rings. You cant disrespect Timmy like that.
In my opinion he's the best power forward of all time. He had no rings, but he just was playing in wrong times with (sometimes) wrong teams. Duncan would also have no rings, if he play in 1990-2000, as Karl did
What would really be interesting is putting together a team with the best players in history who never won a chip, and seeing how that team would fare against other great teams.
He would have deserved that ring in his last season so much as a conclusion to his great career.
I miss the durability of Jordan era superstars. Dude was almost forty and he was playing every game. I love Kawhi, and his recovery regimen obviously paid off, but it would be nice to see him play more.
One of my favorite players of all time
Do u even know what he did, hopefully u don’t know cause if u do know and u still like him then u are straight up weird
Karl Malone is underrated at times but people over hype him like draymon green
Hard to hold the lack of championships against him, considering how competitive the west was in the 90s, plus the Bulls waiting at the end. Malone was incredibly consistent and productive for a very long time, and his teams were very good. The only thing missing is the ability to own the clutch enough during the big moments. Still, there's a decent argument for Malone being the best PF ever, if you consider Duncan a center.
Jonny give something about Larry Hughes,please?
He’s in the conversation as the 2nd best PF ever with Dirk, KG, and Barkley
Wish I could put McHale in there, but he dropped off after only 2 or 3 years at his best
Consider how Garnett and Dirk started to running out of gas in the tank when they were 35-37 y/o and Malone just to decrease because of the injuries in his last year, it's something really underrated about Malone. Arguably the 3 best PF behind TD and Dirk (2011 championship run still is more impressive than Malone's consistency throughout his 19 years). I feel like Utah as a franchise could have done more to Malone and Stockton, like get a third core talented player. But, Malone is the greatest players without a championship.
I think part of his longevity had to do with PED usage. That's just my belief and isnt necessarily factual.
@@FuShengAlex 🥳🤡
i would really like to see a ranking of the truly great players. by that i mean players who were great on both sides of the court. not just great scorers who played no d like harden for example, and players who had great d but couldn't score like rodman for example. just off the top of my head i think the list would include mj of course, wilt, stockton, duncan... but to me that would be the true definition of great
Truly an amazing career by an amazing player 💪🏾!
The Mailman was a beast. He & John Stockton basically mastered the pick and roll. Career suffered only because of the era he played In aka the Jordan era
I feel like pass first guards don't help winning that much in today's NBA. Look at the spurs and warriors. They use team passing and ball movement to win not just one single playmaker
John Stockton should've been more offensive minded. He had the skills to average over 20 points for a few years in his prime. I saw him take over a game in the finals in 1997, he literally won the game for the Jazz.
Both Stockton and Nash should have shot more. Both were great shooters. They both would have won more games otherwise.
@@alexfarias5156 agreed. Stockton passed to much when he could have just scored
I feel like his off the court troubles, notorious dirty plays and his bitterness towards Jordan have taken away from his legacy. He was definitely a great player who just happened to play in the wrong era.
@Justus Bowman In years past he routinely sounds very bitter when discussing MJ and the Bulls. A lot of people chock it up to him being bitter over those two championships.
All I can say is I wish the Sacramento Kings had drafted him in 1985 instead Joe Klein... and the rest would have been a different history!
John Stockton made him much greater
Jerry Sloan made both of them much greater
Exactly. Imagine Stockton and Charles Barkley. Or Stockton and Elgin Baylor
@@stephensandin451 Barkley still didn't had the midrange jumper like Malone so even Barkley with Stockton he still wouldn't have won anything. Barkley was more skilled however Malone was way more consistent and effective and efficient.
@@DC5Boss Yes, he would
@@stephensandin451 what would he won? First off as Pip say Chuck didn't used to put in the work he wasn't dedicated, on the other hand you can argue Malone got better and kept his body in peak condition to compete. Look at Chuck when he left phoenix smh.
Was Adrian Dentley the guy who shot the ball without jumping ?
Karl is one of the best. Top center. Greetings to all of you from Croatia 🇭🇷 the homeland of Rudy Tomjanovich 🇺🇸❤️
People dont realize how small a market Utah is. They've never drawn free agents and what he and Stockton did was remarkable. When they finally built a supporting cast they had to face what might have been the best team ever (90s Bulls, especially second 3 peat).
He was a great player. But his impact was pretty minor
Jonny, I think you need to do one on Mitch Richmond. Very under appreciated player
How bout one on the the T.M.C. trio as a whole. That team was fun to watch back then.
Karl Malone was an amazing range shooter for any basketball position. His jump shot was smooth and deadly. He and Stockton deserve a ring but the problem for the Jazz, they needed a third good player. Jordan has Pippen and Rodman. Jazz needed a good center player as Ostertag was really really bad.
Malone was a better shooter than Lebron for most of his career. Lebron finally developed a consistent outside shot in his thirties. Interestingly, both had similar builds.
well hakeem didn't have that third player.. and he got 2.... Malone might be a choker like pippen insinuated.
@@shade0180 Hakeem didn't win his championships against the Bulls and Jordan. Not taking anything from his greatness but you need to put the whole picture.