Was Queen Victoria illegitimate?
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In recent years Queen Victoria's royal paternity has been called into question. Let’s take examine the evidence in this historic mystery. And take a look at the royal family tree to answer the question “If Victoria’s decedents aren’t the rightful monarchs of the UK, then who is?”
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This is really amazing. I've always heard of the hemophilia problem but I had never heard that Queen Victoria was possibly illegitimate.
Because generally rumors and innuendo are ignored by historians.
Very interesting.
Plus I would like to point out that hemophilia is a diease that only comes about if people who are closely related like brothers or sisters or first cousins get married that in and of itself would hint that Victoria was completely legitimate because most royals especially of English descent would usually marry close relatives to ensure the royal bloodline remained pure
@@TheViolalove exactly plus Hemophilia goes back as far as ancient Egypt in fact King tutankhamun had hemophilia because his father and mother weree brother and sister it is what ultimately killed him
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I think she was not illegitimate, she looks just like her dad and Grandpa.
Yes and if she had been, Conroy would have threatened her with it to shut her down when she began to defy him.
Yes, eyes are the same.
She looks like her grandfather in drag.
@@wandafunderberg1290 Albert was more likely illegitimate than Victoria was. His father later divorced his mother for adultery.
victoria's hanoverian bug-eyes prove she's george iii's granddaughter to me
Princess Beatrice has them too
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I think you are right about Victoria being George III granddaughter but it's still not impossible that one if Edwards brothers conceived her. 🤷
@@lightyagami3492 Unlikely! Victoria’s mother HATED her husband’s family. So much so she refused to let Victoria interact with them. So by default, Edward is her father.
@@damonika09 There could be a really good reason for that deep hatred of her husband's family. Maybe one of Edwards brothers.. Let's say did something inappropriate towards her got her pregnant with Victoria and Edward claimed her has his own. Again that's very unlikely but not strictly impossible. A DNA tests of the corpses would put that to rest then again the royal family would never allow that (most people wouldn't anyways)
Other than Victoria, are there other monarchs of the UK who were speculated to be illegitimate?
Edward IV is the other major one, but the claims are as equally baseless as they are w/ Victoria (I *could* lay out the arguments *for* Edward IV's legitimacy, but the argument is rather complex & requires familiarity w/ the arguments for his illegitimacy).
As for *world* royalty there are certainly a lot more. Christian VIII of Denmark & his siblings are not likely the biological grandchildren of Frederick V. There's also the age-old debate whether Tsar Paul's father was actually Peter III or Sergei Saltykov. In that case, the arguments are pretty much split right down the middle.
Napoleon III was also not the biological nephew of the famous French Emperor. In this case, we know this via DNA evidence; the DNA taken from Napoleon III's beard-hair doesn't match that of Napoleon I. Moreover, the DNA of the illegitimate descendants of Napoleon III doesn't match that of the DNA of the illegitimate descendants of Napoleon I.
We know Napoleon III is the cuckoo b/c Napoleon I had *another* brother, who was the ancestor of the current Bonaparte pretender. The DNA of *that* family matches that of Napoleon I but not Napoleon III, so Napoleon III was definitely a bastard. His parents only spent *one* night together during the entire conception period, after all.
Yes Edward IV is definitely a big one! And truthfully Henry the 7th didt have much of claim to the throne. Even tho he beat Richard and won the crown the Tudors didt really have a strong claim to the throne.
Harry, the Duke of Sussex.
Every one of Victoria's children.😅 It is speculated that her husband was infertile plus she wouldn't put him up to help her rule because of that and his hobbies and because Rothschilds sponsored her rule they have secret agreement with her and one of the Rothschild brothers at the time is speculated to be a father of at least some of them, most probably the boys and one or two of the girls.😅
(It is also speculated that she was forced to have her succesor with one of the Rothschilds so they could rule with more than just money around Europe😅🙈 the same about being Rotschilds bastard is speculated about Russian car at the same time so maybe there is a little bit of thruth about that, but who could say for sure today🤷🏻♀️)
@@rosaliebejdy4618 This sounds so nonsensical lol. Anyway, despite how much they do take after their Hanoverian side, all four of their sons look like him-Arthur especially, probably why he was the favorite son. Louise also favors Albert a lot.
Mental illness didn’t stop with queen Victoria. She became near clinically depressed for the rest of her life after Albert died…
As a caretaker, I worked with an older man for 9 months who had clinical depression & it can be beyond draining being around them. From bouts of anxiety, to victim mentality, bizarre mood swings, etc. Depression has a spectrum of symptoms & Victoria displayed plenty of those! I also know what it’s like being around someone who is so mentally unstable, that they try to find ways to control others, in an attempt to feel in control of their own life, which is exactly what Victoria did with her children at times, via excessive forms of manipulation.
So I can only imagine how her daughters felt wanting to get away from her - most of them at least - & get married, so that they could leave.
Victoria also struggled with codependency issues, which led to her depression, because it was instilled in her early years & as much as she was able to fight off her mother & John’s attempts to control her & take over power, it was triggered with Albert, because he represented, in ways, the father figure she didn’t have growing up, as her father died when she was so young. Personally, I can relate to that feeling of not having that relationship with a father that you would’ve wanted.
There’s so much trauma there that runs through the royal family, deep into the bloodlines. So there’s no wondering why the Windsors are how they are, & if the stories are true from Diana & then prince Harry & Meghan, about how much mentally & emotionally is downplayed, ignored, or excused behind closed doors, in order of “keep up appearances”. Their trauma could very well end up being the downfall for the entire bloodline if is not addressed & held accountable.
Inbreeding
Victoria is always described as a lonely only child, but she did have a half-brother and half-sister because her mother was a widow with 2 kids when she married Victoria's father. These kids were 12 & 15 years older than her, though, so she probably didn't live with them much.
Unfortunately her mother even distanced Victoria from her siblings as a child. Very sad. But she did have a great relationship with her sister.
On the mental health part, it’s also been suggested that Queen Victoria also had borderline personality disorder
Interesting. I’ve never heard this before. Any idea why this has been suggested?
My family carries the Porphyria gene and my uncle suffers from it. It's a horrible disease.
My family does claim to be descendent of Mary Queen of Scotts. We have a family crest and tartan.
I think Vitoria looks SO much like King Edward! They were almost twins!
Queen Victoria was an ugly frog like her dad, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn. 👗👠👑💍
@@kashfiaislam9995 And you felt the need to say that because...
Victoria looked alot like her father. Her mother was a widow with two healthy children, but she was over 30 when she gave birth to Victoria, her father over 50. The chance for spontanous mutation rises with older parents.
Victoria looks nothing like her “speculated” father. Although we know looks aren’t everything in “you ARE the father”, the resemblance is much too remarkable between her and her “supposed” father.
It’s funny given Victoria own abusive childhood, she did the same to her own kids
No/t quite the same, though.
The cycle of abuse is real shit
I’m pretty sure that’s quite common, sadly.
Probably only really Edward VII, I think the others had a mostly enjoyable childhood.
@@piratesswoop725 Not so much really. She was a very controlling woman. She, for example, refused to let Princess Beatrice marry. Although Beatrice finally wore her down, Victoria insisted that Beatrice and her husband live with her.
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Wait I don't think William was George III's second son, this Frederick guy was
If you want to present yourself as some sort of "expert" on the subject-you might want to get your presentation correct. WILLIAM was the THIRD SON. Frederick(Duke of York) was the 2nd son and still alive at the time of this marriage frenzy. He could not participate in the Marriage "hunt" because his legal wife was still alive. Also the evidence SUPPORTS that it was King George III who prevented his Daughters from marrying not Queen Charlotte. 1) Charlotte did not have the legal power to prevent it 2) Two of the unmarried princesses married after George(future IV) became Regent(with the third possibly in a secret marriage).
As soon as I heard the American accent I knew this wouldn’t have one ounce of credibility😂
I feel like a lot of people whining in the comments didn't actually watch the video...
The Maury graphic KIIIILLED me! 💀
Victoria had the Hanoverian bulging eyes and the Duke of Kent's nose, cheeks, and chin. No way this is true. I might have said that Prince Harry is James Hewitt's son, except that his eyes and the bridge of his nose are just like Prince Charles' versions of the same. The red hair shared between Harry and Hewitt is nothing: Harry's Spencer family (including Lady Diana's brother and sister) have red hair.
Red hair is a recessive trait, which means that only those who get two “redhead” versions of the gene, one from the mother and one from the father, will have red hair. There are no redheaded Mountbatten-Windsors.
I always thought the haemophilia happened because Victoria and Albert were cousins? If your genes are that similar, such mutations are not cancelled out and it increases the chances for them.
This is only true of both relatives have the gene. Albert didn’t, so their marriage didn’t increase the odds of hemophilia. Victoria would have passed it off no matter who she married.
Why not do a DNA test?
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A child is legitimate if their parents are married. Unless, perhaps, the father disowns the baby immediately. It is a matter of legal status.
Rumors are rumors. Besides, Vicky had that Popeyed Hanoverian look.
You are so smart! My head is spinning! Thank you!
The story is moot since she was queen! Can’t change history, even though people try to erase it!
That is why matriarchy makes so much more sense. While you usually know who the mother is, fatherhood may often be uncertain. I'm sure there have been lots of "illegitimate" children in the history of world monarchies.
Lol, probably not. You see the way that they safeguard female virginity that are in the royal family or is intended for the royal family. I really doubt they would leave them alone in a room with a man that isn’t the husband or close family member.
In a way you are probably correct. Hard to call its not the Queens child if it comes straight out her Vagina. Not like half the court wouldn't be in there looking anyway. But yea going on the Paternity court Paternity is a big issue. Always some sneakiness going on. ;)
Presidents too - but they're here today and gone tomorrow so people like you don't notice.
No more so than any other group of human beings Magda - it just so happens royal lines are more likely to be known.
No aspersions intended, but I'd guess if you traced your own family lines back a century or more you'd find blanks in the marriage registers.
I'd say that either patriarchy or matriarch, divine right monarchy is an absolute abomination.
I do believe Victoria’s mother and Conroy were lovers especially after Edward died,
but Victoria is definitely legitimate.
I agree completely.
I do too
Me too.
I wonder how they managed to not have illegitimate children tho 🤔
Edit: I also agree they were lovers tho
@@AmyHoldaway27 Did Conroy have any children of his own? If not maybe he was infertile?
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No way was Victoria not prince Edwards daughter she looks just like him! Although this is very interesting. She had her father's eyes and alot of other features.
Agreed. She shares too many of her fathers traits to not be his daughter.
True
I disagree if you ignore the fuller faces then it isn’t so obvious
@@vassabatielos4740 Victoria literally had all the stereotypical Hanover traits
He father also looks like prince Edward (Elizabeth 2nd child)
Victoria was like a child star in her own time... being forced to tour and all that. Poor girl, I see why she turned out the way she did
Happily married?
@@somethingclever8916 a really shit mother and explosively angry more like
Agreed. I know there was a moment she seemed like she could have lived a happy life with her husband but once he passed away, it felt like she was just a bitter old woman who hadn’t properly dealt with her trauma from childhood and distrusted anyone in present company. The black clothing till the day she died says it all.
@@adelinas.7335 Hello. How are you doing?
@@adelinas.7335 I had an aunt just like that. Happily married for 17 years to a man who brought out the best in her. I adored them both. He died suddenly at only 39. Aunt Ruby had never dealt with childhood trauma, and with the trauma of a date rape and relinquishment of the baby that resulted. Her husband's sudden death transformed her into a bitter, over protective shrew of a mother and widow. She never adjusted to Uncle Bill being gone, and grew more bitter and irrational the older she got. It was heartbreaking to see. She turned against all of us who loved her.
The Queen strongly resembled her father as she aged.
Definitely Agree!
I thought she had her legal father's features too.
She basically looks like her father in drags
@@MariaRodriguez-dx6sm LOL I know,right?
Even the ears are similar.
It's crazy to think that if Nicholas changed the rules so the women could inherit the throne, and Olga was the heir, then maybe the family wouldn't have been killed. They wouldn't have to keep the secret of Alexei's hemophilia so under wraps like they did. Olga wasn't a carrier of the hemophilia gene. Anastasia was the only one of the sisters who did carry the gene.
At the time Nicolas II abdicated the throne to his brother Mikhail. Tsarina Alexi and Tsar Nikolas II children were not popular as royals nor did they spend much in Court. The problems will still remain even if Princess Olga was heir that there was enormous amount poverty and the Pandemic was raging at the same time. Not to mention famine and lack jobs.
The bolshovics had long intended to overthrow the Russian royal family, they were even aided to do so by the Germans, to get Russia out of the war, and to aid Germany's perceived victory, upon its success.
The Tsarina's relationship with Rasputin was just a bonus, for Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin.
Sorry but the Romanovs were being executed regardless of if Nicholas made his daughters succession easier or not. Also Romanov women could inherit the throne if all males in the Male line are dead, which ironically happened decades after the Romanov massacre. Lenin wanted to kill two birds with one stone. He wanted all Romanovs, men and women to be killed. No claimants was his goal. History wouldn't have been different as Alexei was always gonna be 1st choice anyways.
I think so , they were unpopular but Rasputin ruined their reputation even more
We know that only one of the daughters carried the gene. We just don't know which one for sure. American researchers think it's Maria while Russian researchers think it's Anastasia.
She cannot be illegitimate, She resembled her father so much that she looked like a Copy Paste from her father (especially when Victoria gets old).
**got*
Yes..she resembled her father and she also was no stranger to pneumonia....
I have learned from Paternity court that you cannot always go by looks..
@@NyanyiC Yeah but in this case, she didn’t look like Conroy one bit. She looked like her father and her paternal grandfather. Those features are unmistakable.
@@damonika09 back then they tend to paint people better than they look and change some features.
So Short Answer... No, Victoria is more than likely legitimate but still an interesting video none the less
@J A Take pride in who you are, not who you sleep with
why was this the top comment 😑 It appears under the video on mobile without even going to the comments
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@@hassanoffical181 It's the asexual flag
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Lindsay: He had a son and named him-
Me: 🙄 Ernst, we know
Lindsay: Welf, he named him Welf
Me: 😱
The Welf dynasty descend from Judith of Flanders, Earl Tostig's widow and William the Conqueror's cousin.
I presume Welf doesn't get along with his father like all the other Hanoverians. That said, if my father named me Welf, I wouldn't get along with him either.
Me before watching the video: Its unlikely she was illegitimate
Me after watching the video: Its unlikely she was illegitimate
Hey Edward how's Fitzroy?
4 mins in and they have said nothing about it
Yeah..humm I don't think so either
@@elizabethofyork3987 He's good grandma, he hasn't come to my court yet
@@unobjectivepersonality2498 Lol
Nah. She looked just like Edward. For someone who’s allegedly “not” her father she sure looks like him.
I agree, she had those Hanoverian "pop eyes" that were very persistent, that's how you can tell Tsar Nicholas II and King George V apart in the photographs.
@@neilbuckley1613 And in the previous Prime Minster David Cameron who is an descendant of William IV through his illegitimate daughter Elizabeth Hay.
@@umitencho And Princess Beatrice
And edward vii
I agree
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Victoria's father was her mother's second husband. She had a son and a daughter from her first marriage. Newer research indicates Victoria's half brother died under circumstances that could have been explained if he were a hemophiliac. Someone needs to explore this deeper in depth. Maybe it was a spontaneous mutation, but what if that mutation was in Victoria's mother?
That's very unlikely because if Victorias mother had the gene, she would have passed it on to her other daughter, Victorias half sister. And hemophilia appears nowhere in their descendants.
@@jasminschneider Not true. It's a 50/50 chance a woman will hand that gene down to her daughter, same as passing it to a son. Females are XX and males XY. So females have 2 X chromosomes to pass down and it's an equal chance each time. Victoria had 5 daughters. 2 (Alice and Beatrice) were carriers. The other 3 were not. Alice's daughter Alix became the last Tsarina of Russia, and she was a carrier who gave it to her only son. DNA testing later proved that of Alix's 4 daughters, only one was a carrier. So the fact that Victoria's half sister wasn't a carrier can't rule out that their mother wasn't a carrier.
@@anastasiarathbun8977 That explains a lot actually thanks
Don’t think so-make hemophiliacs generally did not live long lives, and it would’ve been noted if he had an unexplained or uncontrolled bleeding. He was also in the military and saw combat, something that a hemophiliac likely would never have been permitted to do (which is why most historians think the labeling of Victoria’s grandson, Maurice of Battenberg, as a hemophiliac is incorrect since he saw active combat while his older brother, who was definitely a sufferer, was given only a desk job).
@@anastasiarathbun8977 One known incident at the time of his death doesn’t mean he had hemophilia though. Evidence that he had bleeding episodes as a child or in adulthood would be much better concrete evidence. Internal bleeding and apoplectic shock at death not so much.
The irony here is that Victoria’s half sister actually has a descendant with hemophilia, Ferdinand Soltmann, but because his grandfather was cremated, we’ll probably never know if he had hemophilia himself or if Ferdinand’s case is another spontaneous mutation!
I don’t think that Conroy OR her mother had anything to do with her creation - she looks so much like Edward, it’s eerie.
Even if she was an illegitimate child, it wouldn't really matter now since she and her parents are long dead.
@@heathert5455 ...have you not got the whole point? If Victoria inherited based on a lie, then the current monarchy is also based on that lie, and thus they aren't true (British) royalty.
Queen Victoria was an ugly frog like her dad, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn. 👗👠👑💍
@@heathert5455 even if she was, Queen Alexandra was a descendent of George II through Princess Mary twice. Queen Mary Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge through her mom + Anne, Princess royal though her dad. so Hanoverian descendants would still be ruling todsy
Poor Victoria was the image of her dad, complete with bulgy Hanoverian eyes. She also inherited porphyria trait, passing this on to granddaughter Charlotte and great Granddaughter Feodora. The haemophilia comes from.the maternal side. Looking at this lineage, there are a startling number of little boys dying in infancy, usually when they come out of swaddling and start to walk. By the time Leopold was born, the disease was more recognised and understood..earlier doctors would have bled the patients with disastrous results and infant deaths were common. P S a great grandson of Prince Philip's sister is hemophiliac.
The all had those bug eyes didn't they? That's what comes from generations of marrying your cousins! If you do look back there a MUCH higher number of boys stillborn...I also always said I bet a LOT more died when the cord was cut.I think there were a lot more with haemophilia than was talked about?
Queen Victoria looks so much like her cousin, Princess Charlotte, those Hanoverian eyes tell it all..!
Princess Beatrice also looks very much like a young Victoria. It’s those eyes. Then Eugenie looks a lot like her great grandmother when she was a young woman.
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Queen Elizabeth the I looks so much like her cousin LETTICE KNOLLYS, and her paternal great grandmother LADY MARGARET OF BEAUFORT. Irrelevant but I like the comparison of the three
She also looked a ton like Prince Albert
Victoria lived a brutal childhood!
That "man"/Possible "father" and Victoria's mother tormented her life
Yeah it’s very sad.
Thats sad
Truly terrible...
@@randomduck67 your life was worse
Lol “that man/possible father” passed away just after she was born, she never knew him. It was her step father who was unkind to her. But it has been proven her childhood was in no way “brutal” and that her mother adored her. Victoria dramatized her childhood hardships when talking/writing about them later in life.
I wonder what kind of Queen Charlotte would’ve been...
There's a great alternate history timeline on it! www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-last-hanover-the-life-and-reign-of-queen-charlotte.448381/
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True, very true. Plus, what kind of consort Leopold would have been. If Albert had issues with it, I can't imagine what super ambitious Leopold would have done.
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It doesn't really matter cause she would have been a constitutional monarch
Victoria and her descendants look identical to that portrait of the Duke of Kent.
Victoria genuinely looks like a female version of him.
She skipped over the fact that the “Man of her dreams” that she married was her first cousin. The son of her mother’s brother, pretty gross. Hemophilia could’ve definitely come from close cousins having that many children
You do realize that it is legal for first cousins to marry in 25 of the 50 American states.
It's legal and common for 1st cousins to marry in many countries.
I'd have thought you would have been more "grossed out" by the rumour that Victoria's uncle impregnated his sister, with an aim to sieze the Throne
@@roberthudson1959 only 25? It's still legal in all Commonwealth nations, and many other non-commonwealth nations
Weather it's legal in some places or not ,, it's dangerous for the child...no one's seemed to comment about that ..seems Victoria and Albert didn't know about the disease...not to mention they really didn't know each other and only met one time before when they were 17. It wasn't like they grew up together, or even lived in the same country.... the parents were responsible for this to go on...They really did fall hard for each other though !!💌
Nope. Incest doesn't work like that. Inbreeding does not create genetic problems it ensures dormant genetics are expressed. Prince Albert did not carry the hemophilia gene...or he would have been a hemophiliac. The gene came about spontaneously (20 - 30%) of hemophilia comes randomly. Victoria's father was in his 50s when she was conceived. These spontaneous cases of hemophilia usually emerges due to older fathers having kids at an advanced age. Weather she had children with her cousin or a completely unrelated man ....the chances of hemophilia would be the same. The inbreeding did not cause the hemophilia at all. Same with Nicholas and his wife Alexandra. Alexandra had the same chances of having children with hemophilia even if she had them with an unrelated man. Nicholas II and Prince Albert had NO genetics for hemophilia. Victoria was a carrier, one son had it and 2 or 3 daughters carried it. You cannot have 4 children all spontaneously having hemophilia due to incest unless their mother is a carrier.
Well, we will still have a Queen Elizabeth II either way.
Hey you should totally look into doing a video about one of history’s greatest power couples: emperor Justinian and empress theodora
Justinians family were peasants and theodora worked in a brothel it’s a very cool story
@@nbkarki sounds interesting! I'm going to look that up. Thanks! 😄
It’s amazing that this illegitimacy rumor ever existed, let alone persisted. Victoria looks just like her assumed father, Prince Edward and nothing like her mother’s possible paramour, Conroy. If he had been Victoria’s father, she would have turned out far more attractive. As for hemophilia occurring only after Victoria, a genetic mutation is the only likely cause, thanks to the habitual intense inbreeding of the royals. The fact that Victoria’s husband Albert was her first cousin made things even worse for her children and grandchildren.
The presenter explained the inheritance of haemophilia well. Inbreeding is not usually implicated in disorders associated with the X chromosome. It can lead to the expression of recessive traits carried on other chromosomes. So although inbreeding has undoubtedly occurred in European families, and now may be frowned upon, it was unlikely to have had any impact on the inheritance of haemophilia in those families. Revision of your school genetics noted will throw light on this confused interpretation of the topic.
For the record I don't believe this to be true for Queen Victoria, but I'd like to add a little anecdote that I feel people should consider.
I was told growing up that I looked so much like my dad.
Turns out he wasn't my dad.
Who was, then?
His dad.
People always told me I looked like my mother.
I'm adopted...
😮
What 😮
Haemophilia can occur as a mutation if the male parent is geriatric. This actually works in Prince Edward’s favour as he was around 50 when Victoria was born. Furthermore, Victoria even in photographs is near identical to Prince Edward’s father, George III, with their pigeon like face and large, sorrow, blue eyes.
19:09 "...refused to submit to Prussia, of which his Kingdom was a part."
The Kingdom of Hannover was not a part of Prussia. It was an independent Kingdom until 1866. In that year Hannover was annexed by Prussia because in the Austro-Prussian War, Hannover had chosen the Austrian side which in the end lost the war.
Thank you for pointing out yet *another* of this "historian's" many mistakes
I think what she meant to say was "surrounded by" rather than "a part of", which definitely makes more sense even for someone who isn't well versed in the history of those two nations. However, it's a little rude to say "historian" in such a way (not the original commenter, but the reply). Mistakes can happen and these videos are fairly short, it can be quite easy to make a mistake in the facts when trying to condense very complex political issues that aren't the focus of the topic.
Good to know! Sometimes mistakes are made, and new facts learned c:
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Trust me, nobody wants Ernst August of Hanover being King of England.
He looks rather odd......Almost as if his parental units married too close. Yikes.
Looked into it, NO KIDDING!
Or even of the UK
To say he has an unsavory character is to belittle the word unsavory
And he's son is better yo be king of UK
I don't think she was illegitimate no matter who her bio father was because she was born while her mother was married. A child born during a marriage is the legal child of her mother's husband on paper anyway. If anything, she would have been an NPE.
But she was not married to John conroy and he was not a royal.at this. This you had to be married to a royal
Sorry but if a kid was found to be illegitimate back then the legal husband could reject it. So it did matter. It doesn't matter cause Edward Victor 100% was her father. She is the female version of him.
@@jamiemohan2049 also he would’ve lived long enough to have rejected her if that were the case anyway
@@deondreyoung8989 That law applies to every one ~ the husband of a woman is the legal father of all children born during that marriage, irrespective of whether he is the biological father.
There is no question whatsoever that it only applies to a royal ~ so you are mistaken in that regard.
also her daughter-in law + granddaughter-in law are also descendents of Hanoverian kings
Side note, Victoria wasn't supposed to be the Queen either originally, sad to say. The Princess of Wales' death is what lead to Victoria's birth as the family was trying to produce a new heir. Charlotte's story is really sad, she was super well loved and could have been a great queen, but lack of medical knowledge is probably what killed her. When she was heavily pregnant, they put her on a diet to try to make the baby smaller for delivery, but that's not possible and it only made her weaker. Her and her son could've survived nowadays.
Of course what was especially tragic that forceps were brought and were in the room during the entire two days that poor, weakened Princess Charlotte of Wales was in labor but no one considered using the forceps and her nine pound son was tragically born stillborn after evidently suffocating due to being trapped in the birth canal too long! Princess Charlotte survived bearing her stillborn son but then she died from a hemorrhage a few hours later. Had either mother or son survived, it's probable that there would have been no push for the Prince Regent's aging younger bachelor brothers to dump their mistresses (including the future Vic's father the Duke of Kent) and wed Continental princesses for the express purpose of having legit Hanoverian heirs to the throne! Oh, and there wouldn't have been Saxe-Coburg monarchs in Belgium due to Charlotte's husband Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg Saalfeld being Charlotte's Prince Consort or their son's Regent after George IV's death! If Charlotte and Leopold had picked a name for their son, it went unrecorded with him being termed nothing more than 'a prince' in the official records.
The hemophilia point was very interesting and detailed. But it’s good to know that Victoria is most likely legitimate :)
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@@elizabethofyork3987 mama ! . I miss you
I read somewhere that Princess Margaret made a comment regarding no one now had this complaint
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Interesting story for sure Lindsay!!! But I always thought, as she got older, that she looked like her father. Especially the nose and cheeks.
Lol she looked like him from the jump.. no chin and a hooked nose!
Edward, Duke of Kent was indeed the father of Victoria who ruled Great Britain for over 63 years. The allegations over who was the real father of the great Queen Empress who shaped a whole age by her presence are resolved. Victoria is a real royal, no doubt about it.
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How did it feel being under a parking lot for half a millennia?
@@kawaiipotato7775 ooof.
@@kawaiipotato7775 *that was uncalled for 🧍🏼♀️.*
As some others have already commented this theory has always been a non-starter for me. No need to dredge for clues, just use your eyes. She looks just like her father and her Grandfather before him, she has Hanover stamped on her features!
Does anyone else get the heebie-jeebies whenever they see a pic of Rasputin? Freaky!!
Interesting but........even IF the portrait of Edward is not all true to as he looked but I'd say 'close enough'. Victoria looks more like Edward rather than the 'other man'.
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Hemophilia taking the toll guys!
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Interesting topic but it remains clear that Victoria resembled her father a lot. Just compare their eyes and noses. By the way, a video about the Jacobite claim to the British crown would be interesting to follow. It begins with Stuart connections with the Bourbons, house of Savoy, Habsburgs of Modena and the Wittelsbachs of Bavaria.
Sophie, the wife of the Duke of Liechtenstein, is the current Jacobite claimant.
@@corvus1374 Duke of Liechtenstein? You must mean PRINCE.
@@corvus1374hereditary prince* no sovereign duchies
William IV was actually the third son after his elder brother Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, as when George IV passed away, his heir presumptive, younger brother Frederick, Duke of York and Albany died earlier, so his next young brother, William, Duke of Clarence became King, Clarence House was named after him! After William came Edward, Victoria’s father.
Yes. Min 2:42 it is the mistake.
I was thinking about Edward IV's illegitimacy yesterday. So many people say that bc of this he wasn't a legitimate King, but does that matter if someone wins the crown through Right of Conquest? Like William I?
I really doubt either Victoria or Edward IV were illegitimate. The document giving the date for Edward IV's birth is actually pretty sketchy; it gives the date of his sister's birth as 6 months or later prior to her baptism. Such a delayed baptism is *extremely* unlikely to due to the high infant mortality rate of the Medieval period.
Unbaptized babies couldn't be given a church burial & were assumed to go to hell. Wealthy parents like the Yorks would be eager to make sure all their children were baptized right away. The idea they would wait so long for a baptism for their daughter is very unlikely, so the dates themselves probably aren't accurate.
Thus, if the document's validity is in-question (e.g. the guy who wrote it didn't know the actual date), then we have no idea what the conception period was nor where either parents were. Since the Yorks were not an infertile family (Richard of York fathered more than 10 children), it stands to reason the Duke was indeed their biological father.
As for the claims made by George, 1st duke of Clarence, he has such a political reason to advocate for Edward's illegitimacy even if it wasn't true that you can't really give them any validity. He wasn't a trustworthy man & he had too much to gain by claiming his brother was illegitimate.
The supposed declaration given by Cecily Neville towards her son's illegitimacy comes from Dominic Mancini, IIRC. He was an Italian visitor to England during the reign of Richard III & this nugget of info was tavern gossip that he overheard after Cecily's death. Which means this is 2nd or 3rd hand info. hardly from the woman's mouth herself (Mancini overheard it from a patron, & I doubt Cecily fraternized too heavily w/ random English bar patrons, which means the patron himself overheard it from an unknown source).
There's just no evidence either way. Given Henry VII has his own claim to the throne anyway, the whole question is moot.
@@jeandehuit5385 I get all that but I was asking about Right of Conquest.
All it takes to be the legitimate monarch is to be considered the legitimate monarch in the eyes of the public and particularly the nobility
I always wondered that about henry the 7th while yes he won the battle so became king. My question is did he even have the legitimate right to fight for the crown. His claim to the crown was dodgey and he married Elizabeth of York in order to make his claim more legit. Had he had a less dodgey claim I don't think he would of married her.
@@shannonflaherty353 that us exactly what I was talking about. Seems no one else is able to see forest bc of all the trees on this question. Henry 7 is an even better example of what I meant. I'm not asking about wives or sisters or children. Just taking the crown. That's all. Thank you.
Queen Victoria’s mother wasn’t always a duchess. She was a born princess. And had married a prince, giving him a son and a daughter, before becoming a widow. Queen Victoria’s older half brother and sister were as royal as herself…both of them connecting to royal houses or service. I don’t believe a woman of such high upbringing and expectations would risk herself or name…for the sake of bearing an illegitimate, third child.
I am from Hannover … the UK dodged a serious bullet and should consider itself lucky not to have ended up with Ernst-August on the throne. 👎
Was about to comment the same 😂
Exactly he is again in the Austrian courts and was released in March 2021 on a 10 month probation after threatening to beat a cop with a baseball bat and wanting to smash her face! He is not allowed to return to his Austrian castle for the next 3 yrs and this is after he attacked with some gang a nightclub owner in 2010 in the Caribbean causing serious injuries. He has some very serious anger mgt issues.
This is next to being illmannered ie peeing at international fairs in public in front of photographers and being known for the consumption of numerous substances which almost killed him and put him in coma.
And to top it all of, he is fighting against his owns sons to get the estates which he almost ruined back plus spent yrs separated from his wife Duchess Caroline of Monaco , living and travelling with an escort lady.
Good for the UK that he is in the succession line but will never be king. His sons seem to be alright though and decent people plus they are fighting to maintain the estate.
And it could be worse given he is married to the horrid princess Caroline of Monaco , the Monaco squad a jolly good bunch of mafiosi!
@@zouzoudeparis1354 is the monaco royalty bad? I thot they were cool ppl
@@madhir1716 they are part of black nobility ! These people are Satanists
Elizabeth is still a legitimate great-great-great grandson of George III through Queen Mary of Teck. So maybe even if Victoria was illegitimate, they would just go to Prince Adlophus, his youngest daughter, her eldest child, her second son and his elder daughter and boom! It’s Elizabeth
That is the most forgotten royal fact.
@@sirwelch9991 IK right?
Yes, but that would require skipping over several people more senior in line, even if you also bypass the Hanoverians. Mary Adelaide was the younger daughter, so it would need to go through her older sister Augusta first, and even May of Teck herself had three brothers whose descendants would be ahead in line. Actually funnily enough, if you go to the oldest of May’s three brothers, the current monarch would be a man named Charles Whitley, who is married to a woman named Diana! They have no children though, so his heir would be his sister Sarah and her daughters Emily and Chloe.
@@piratesswoop725 Wow Sarah Charles and Diana!
Look this is just Lindsey talking about the rumours lol. It isn't considered real by anyone. Victoria was the stamp of her father. only a blind man would claim they were not father and daughter.
Hey Lindsay, if you'd like to do another one of these you could look into the legitimacy of Wlhelmina, queen of the Netherlands from 1890 to 1948. Her father, Willem III remarried at 61 and.his twenty-something year old wife only had Wilhelmina. She became heir after the last of her half-brothers from the king's previous marriage died. It was heavily rumoured at the time that her father had become impotent and that she was illegitimate.
Oh gee, I wonder why the only surviving child, a daughter, would be considered illegitimate? 🙃 In all seriousness, these rumors of illegitimacy for nigh exclusively queen regnants (with the exception of Edward IV) might just boil down to sexism.
This is the first time I've seen WW1 explained with a focus on the ruling families of Europe. The way that it's been taught to me before focuses so much on the shock of the first modern war, and just how different it was from anything anyone had seen before. Looking at it like this, realizing that the people leading the countries are all related and fighting their cousins, I'm amazed at how Medieval it still seems.
VICTORIA LOOKED LIKE HER FATHER,I DO NOT BELIEVE SHE WAS CONROYS CHILD !
My thoughts exactly, she was fair and had blue eyes, like her biological dad.
Edit, she also had the family nose, lol!
@@DreamCityRivers Queen Victoria was an ugly frog like her dad, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn. 👗👠👑💍
There's no real evidence supporting Queen Victoria being illegitimate. Her hemophilia was probably due to a random mutation. Said random mutations occur more commonly in the children of older fathers. Victoria's father was over 50 at the time of conception, meaning the chances of random mutation are a lot higher. Put 2-&-2 together...
Victoria also bears a *strong* family resemblance to George III.
And what are you trying to say about me... 🧐
He's trying to say that Victoria's genes may have been mutated causing the hemophilia and he has a point
@@randomduck67 You do look a lot like your granddaughter
@@geminipromise8742 Pretty much. Our DNA isn't exactly great at making 'perfect' copies of itself (as in, copies that are exactly the same as before). This is why as we get older our bodies 'age.' Our cells are having a harder & harder time replicating our DNA perfectly.
So, when an older person has a kid, it's more likely that their sperm or egg will replicate their DNA imperfectly (e.g. introduce mistakes, known as mutations, into the copy). Mutations can be good or bad, but in this case they were bad, since it introduced an adverse health condition which had little-or-no positive side affects.
@@kawaiipotato7775 I'll take that as a compliment 🤣
Whether Prince Edward or John Conroy is Queen Victoria's father (and I don't believe John Conroy is her father) she wasn't illegitimate as she was born within marriage.
A small mistake! Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, was actually the second son of George III :) Hence why he was titled Duke of York and Albany, the traditional titles of the secondborn son of the King/Queen. Since he died without legitimate children during the reign of George IV, he never became king, and the throne went to William IV (who also died without legitimate children) and then Victoria
At the start of this video I was indignantly thinking of the reasons why it was stupid, Conroy wasn't hemophilic, Victoria looks like her dad, etc. Then you said everything I was thinking. Sorry for doubting you Lindsay. Nice video!
This is an interesting theory and I knew you would plot it on your channel, Thank you, Lindsay!
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Plantagenets: tall, ginger, and violent
Tudors: red haired, long nosed, and bratty
Stuarts: very tall, health problems, and gay
Hanoverians: bug-eyed, overweight, and petty
You must be french or irish.. too much petty grievances in your comment 🤣🤣🤣
@@gostavoadolfos2023 I'm actually American, I just enjoy dunking on historical figures that I like
Why are you including “gay” in your list of negative traits? I thought we considered that to be okay these days.
@@kate_cooper It wasn't meant as a negative trait, just a trait in general. It's the only thing most of the Stuarts had in common other than "horny", but that could apply to basically all of the English dynasties.
@@rilianelucifen876 I thought only James I was gay? Charles I was rather attached to his wife, & both Charles II & James II had so many illegitimate children w/ so many women that it's hard to argue they preferred men.
There's an argument to be made for William III, or so I've heard, but he was a Nassau, not a Stuart.
All the Queen Anne stuff from The Favourite was invented for the film, for the most part. Plenty of lesbians have slept w/ men at some point, but I think very few can boast having slept w/ men so often as to become pregnant 17 times.
James I I'll grant you. You can chart his relationships from birth-to-death, rumours of his preferences preceded his marriage (James' answer to them is rather funny. In his own words: "I could have abstained longer than the weal of my country could have permitted, my long delay bred in the breasts of many a great jealousy of my inability, as if I were a barren stock." Essentially, he wasn't mad everyone thought he was gay, per-se. He was mad everyone thought his being gay meant he was impotent, which he sought to prove wrong).
Then there's the letters to Buckingham as well as the passage between his bedroom & Buckingham's bedroom. There's a lot of evidence for James I's sexuality. Less-so for the other English Stuarts.
Wow! What a research Lindsay! This is the reason why I love your channel, you bring maxing information and photos to be more clear 👏🏻
lmaoo why is every other comment from a British king/queen 😭
super interesting! I personally would have been quite upset if Conroy was my father. He was a scoundrel! Poor Victoria being exploited by him AND her mother! UGH no wonder she had daddy issues.. She was pretty badass though and I quite admire her, she did know what she wanted and was pretty unapologetic about it.
Honestly it doesn’t matter if she was legitimate or illegitimate she inherited the throne and that’s that Elizabeth is monarch and less there’s a war to replace her
If she isn't the right heir then the royal will try to keep it quiet
Nice to hear you talking about yourself in the third person. Lol I’m just messing.
@@nandinhocunha440 honestly it’s whoever they declare heir heir is the heir
Dear UK: please take Ernst August von Hannover, no payment needed. Thanks, Germany.
(He is quite the scandal loving guy.....)
jr or sr
I'm just wondering what will happen to the Royal Family when they find about that their ancestors were illegitimate!
@Greg you mean William, right?
Nothing, they already know Henry the 7th shouldt have been king and they also found something out about Richard. They will not go and change things now.
Nothing will happen. The queen is all ready on the throne and who ever can hold power is the monarch.
They know
Let's not forget that
-Ol' Billy the Conq was Billy the Bastard before he conquered England
-The Tudors are descended from *two* illegitimate lines of Royals
So really it'd just be par for the course no matter whether or not it violates the Act of Sucession? That is if it's true. I doubt it, though. Lord Conroy was a world-class asshole to Alexandrina.
Victoria is the image of her father Edward, the painting leaves no doubt in my mind that the prince was definitely her father and if you look at her sons they all resemble him.
Queen Victoria was an ugly frog like her dad, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn. 👗👠👑💍
The more logical question is who was close to Queen Charlotte who was married to crazy King George III. She did have 15 kids, so maybe several weren’t from King George.
Note that George’s first three sons did not have children who lived long. Has anyone ever checked the older brother’s babies for hemophiliac.
As for George III 4th son Edward, he has that balding head, eyes, and nose that is very prominent in Queen Elizabeth’s 2 children & grandchildren, so doubt very much Victoria was illegit child of Edward.
But what we don’t know is, Could Edward actually been the illegit child of George III. Note that Queen Charlotte was careful not to marry her daughters young. Maybe Charlotte know that hemophiliac was pass down through the carriers which had to be daughters.
I have never heard this story told in such a respectable manner. I feel such empathy for Queen Victoria. I can’t imagine putting any of my daughters through what Queen Victoria’s parents put her through.
One of her parents (her father) was already dead before she even turned one. Then how could he put her through something? It was her mother.
@@srijeetasikder2678I think they were referring to Conroy as her "father" because he was the closest thing to a father figure she had
That crew right before Victoria were ridiculous, so it was quite a change to have her present a stable family of 9 legitimate kids who all lived to adulthood.
Yes they were 🤦🤦 at least Victoria was most likely legitimate (If not she had to of been conceived by one of Edwards brothers since the family resemblance is striking.)
@@lightyagami3492 The brothers were all more interested in being the ones to father to future heir so I definitely don’t think they would’ve helped Viktoria have a child. Plus, William had fathered 10 illegitimate kids so he had no reason to think he wouldn’t be able to easily father legitimate ones, and Ernest was desperate to have the heir himself
@@piratesswoop725 Right. There is multiple reasons why one of the brothers conceiving Victoria instead of Edward himself would be very unlikely. Without a DNA test you can't know for sure though. That's all im saying.
She was as Hanoverian as the day was long -- no news here.
You know, it's very surprising that Victoria grew up to be as good of a ruler as she did considering the solitary confinement that was her upbringing.
Id like to learn more about King George III's children. Wouldn't have to be as far as you did with Queen Victoria's unlce Ernest.
That's my granddaughter
The royal family tree is a large and twisted one. Somehow tho, I wouldn’t be surprised if Queen Victoria were actually illegitimate tho, honestly. Thank you, Lindsay, for all the great videos!! ❤️❤️
You forgot that Queen Victoria's husband, Prince Albert, was her first cousin. The hemophilia gene might be as a result of that marriage.
This would only factor in if only one of their children was affected, or Albert had the gene too. The fact that multiple children had the gene indicated it was a result of Victoria herself. She would have passed it in to her children’s either she married Albert or a random equerry.
Victoria passed on porphyria to her descendants. George III, Victoria's grandfather, suffered from this condition. It is therefore highly likely that Victoria was legitimate. Victoria also had a strong resemblance to her Hanover relatives. Victoria never liked Conroy.
The madness did not stop with Victoria, Just
Harry is proof it’s back
He sure is a loose canon.
Also have to ask what makes you say the Empress Alexandra had 4 healthy daughters. Any or all of them could have been hemophilia carriers. This was why her cousin Queen Marie of Romania didn't want her son to marry the tsar's eldest daughter.
You can be a genetic character but still be healthy. That’s practically the definition of being a carrier.
I've learned more in the few months or however long I've been subscribed then in the 5yrs(3 as a GCSE option) in history. If I had you as my history teacher I'd like history more, my history teacher was meh..
Princess Caroline of Monaco has been separated from Prince Ernst August for more than 10 years, and he appears to be crazy as a loon with several legal problems and feuds, so maybe he ought to be checked for porphyria?
They have the same nose, her and the former kings so I think she’s legit