Honestly I miss old zar. Not having to sacrifice a bubble is something I miss. You’re always gonna have a bubble for yourself and a teammate if you know how to use your bubbles right and not spam them.
@@Colgan144 I don't know. I'd say it's only fair with two or more tanks. In 5v5, Zarya needs a double bubble as the only tank. Even in open queue, tanks have less health. This would definitely not work in 5v5.
It’s almost like she has 3 mobility abilities that come back in a fraction of the time that everyone else’s single mobility ability comes back in. And almost like she has a recall that also is mobility, a invincible cleanse, and moves and gives her back to what her health was seconds ago.
I like new Sym as a dps, but I also really liked Sym as a non-healing support. The more Overwatch progressed, the more uniform it became, probably to please the comp-only tryhards : All supports do healing, forced 2-2-2 / 1-2-2...
I think sym should be dps too even with the support elements or torb and soldier both should join sym in support for obvious reasons and for a less obvious reason mei should join sym in support. (and like gut her damage and then shed be balanceed.)
@@GeninGeookay, I can kinda see putting torb, sym and mei in support. But why the hell put soldier there!? Hes a hero with only one supportive ability that isnt even that good for helping others, every other part of him is selfish damage or selfish mobility.
@@bendysbrother7447 the same reason sym is there his way over 200 health of healing is more significant support on a cooldown than syms 25 max hp shield can do even if it was being broken and regen by the nanao second. Soldier players tend to not use it to support because they are playing dps selfishly but that does not make it a bad support tool. and as history has shown us symettras teleporter has ended up no very effective if just sitting there versus any team that can muster some organization. You could see it in the beta tests of overwatch the best soldier was an off healer when the supports were eventually focused people surrounded him to get their heals to stall until the supports came back.
@@GeninGeo well yeah it can be used as a supportive tool, but that doesn't justify him being a support. You need to do more than just heal with one ability to be a support.
Torbe was my starter, I liked him for the most part but the again, I played right around its 1st annual release date. Got the anniversary stuff and played a bit to be demolished by every genji lol
Finally someone who agrees with sym’s left and right click. Those ball are so slow and so easy to dodge and the primary fire hit box is so dookie. I was playing it yesterday and I was literally right up a hog’s ass and the beam was not connecting. I wanna say I was maybe 2m behind him and it was not connecting. Not to mention Sym’s shield apply is ass. There is a reason why Sym got reworked two times people
I think pirate ship or any other form of defense where a bastion can remain in one place and have a rein just sit in front of him is really good. Have had games where I just dominate by playing rein and sitting with my bastion for the whole game on high ground
I think this man forgot that back in the day, Lucio was THE meta support and Mercy was the “never pick, troll hero,” yet he manages to have them backwards in this rating. Lol
Console torb is super busted on classic. Set turret in a good spot, and by the time they even get a good chance to kill it; you have ult and just win the fight anyway.
I give D.va higher than D loce playing her since og. But Torbjorn was never broken on console, the only reason he was a problem is because there is usually 5 to six of them on defense maps. Making it almost impossible to take a point with the over lapping turrets that it becomes 6v12.
Sym sucks, but i like the shield giver and her ultimate concept, i'd love support sym back but with some upgrades (with her ult still being massive wall though)
I was just telling one of my friends this. The 25 HP is so good as we’ve seen in OW2 as well and TP is strong af when used by the team well. If they would’ve given her the Symm 2.0 buffs and a little extra, she would’ve been a pretty good supportive hero.
It's because console players don't have the kind of sensitivity that PC players have, so they can't flick the turret before getting unloaded on. Same reason Widowmaker is way more OP on PC than console, because players can have better accuracy.
Because when they play Rein they probably think their job is to tank a camping Bastion with his shield and then proceeds to wonder why he has no shields lmao
To be fair by the end of ow1 rein was pretty bad. Sigma and Orisa were better in double shield, winston and dva were better dive tanks, roadhog with his one shot combo was op, and zarya was meta relevant primarily for countering roadhog. Rein didn't really have a place in the meta. But at the start of ow1 before the introduction of orisa and sigma, rein was definitely strong.
Mercy huge rezz is weak as fuck in OW classic. I've playee alot of mercy and I have seen alot of mercy in OW classic and rezz is yes a fast ult wich is good but it super easily countered. And just feeds the enemy ult charge
You have to be up their asscrack to be able to hit them with the beam and the right clic takes forever to charge. The turrets also take incredibly long to setup and she has no escape tools
@ yea you can tell u suck in overwatch or never play overwatch 1 nd I know you only play moira in overwatch 2 because you can’t aim one day you be good in video games
DVA being the weakest hero is quite fun to play as her, being an underdog. Now we have modern DVA messing everything up. Surely needed adjustments but not the OW2 treatment
How is Mia not in s tier She has a wall that will not break. She can heal herself and stop herself from dying with her cryo- freeze and her weapon literally stop people from playing the game.
I gotta be honest, I think d.va is way underrated. She is def f teir compared to her rework, but compared to the rest of the ow classic cast she is def not f tier. She fills her role as an off tank on attack points perfectly well. I've had no issues, plus you just save your e for big abilities and it actually lasts longer than it does in its toggle form. Just my opinion
His discord is one of the most unique abilities in the game. Zen is played for discord and nothing else, his healing is just something that helps. Oh and his right click is basically a mini widowmaker lol But there's also a reason in my squad, our callout for him is Paperboy lol. Dont get shot xD
Slap them all in f. Classic is so bad and horrible feeling. I played one game and kept swapping characters and realised they can't do anything and have next to no abilities. Literally went right back to qp and haven't touched it since The only character who even feels normal is tracer
Nah Classic is when OW was actually fun. Why do you think they even came out with Classic? The games hemorrhaging players and they want to try to bring back the old players who left because OW2 is shit.
Honestly I miss old zar. Not having to sacrifice a bubble is something I miss. You’re always gonna have a bubble for yourself and a teammate if you know how to use your bubbles right and not spam them.
Way fairer to play against too, zarya being able to double bubble herself is a bit cheesy
@@Colgan144 I don't know. I'd say it's only fair with two or more tanks. In 5v5, Zarya needs a double bubble as the only tank. Even in open queue, tanks have less health. This would definitely not work in 5v5.
No matter what, Tracer is always Always ALWAYS S tier
And almost always still very balanced. Tracer is honestly the perfectly made overwatch character
@@himlolo Sigma would like to speak to you
@@TsukiTenshi2468 No she's definitely the most balanced sigma is second imo
@@TsukiTenshi2468 sigma was definitely a lil overtuned at some points. But he’s up there though
It’s almost like she has 3 mobility abilities that come back in a fraction of the time that everyone else’s single mobility ability comes back in. And almost like she has a recall that also is mobility, a invincible cleanse, and moves and gives her back to what her health was seconds ago.
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I missed old Sym so much... I feel like they gave up to quickly on making her a shielding support
I like new Sym as a dps, but I also really liked Sym as a non-healing support. The more Overwatch progressed, the more uniform it became, probably to please the comp-only tryhards : All supports do healing, forced 2-2-2 / 1-2-2...
I think sym should be dps too even with the support elements or torb and soldier both should join sym in support for obvious reasons and for a less obvious reason mei should join sym in support. (and like gut her damage and then shed be balanceed.)
@@GeninGeookay, I can kinda see putting torb, sym and mei in support. But why the hell put soldier there!? Hes a hero with only one supportive ability that isnt even that good for helping others, every other part of him is selfish damage or selfish mobility.
@@bendysbrother7447 the same reason sym is there his way over 200 health of healing is more significant support on a cooldown than syms 25 max hp shield can do even if it was being broken and regen by the nanao second. Soldier players tend to not use it to support because they are playing dps selfishly but that does not make it a bad support tool. and as history has shown us symettras teleporter has ended up no very effective if just sitting there versus any team that can muster some organization. You could see it in the beta tests of overwatch the best soldier was an off healer when the supports were eventually focused people surrounded him to get their heals to stall until the supports came back.
@@GeninGeo well yeah it can be used as a supportive tool, but that doesn't justify him being a support. You need to do more than just heal with one ability to be a support.
I've literally just been playing this for the hanzo scatter arrow
Lucio got f tier’d on my list, it made me appreciate him more now XD
I have no idea what they were thinking to not let him keep his momentum at first
@ they honestly should give him a speed buff :3
Old dva literally make me wanna throw up with how bad she is a d she’s the tank I’m best at
Same here, nodern D.va main, hate old D.va
I played the game with Sym's first rework
And GOD the max range of Release Sym is SO ASS I actually have to sniff their butt to shoot them
Torbe was my starter, I liked him for the most part but the again, I played right around its 1st annual release date. Got the anniversary stuff and played a bit to be demolished by every genji lol
And no matter what, still more enjoyable and fun then ow2
They could never make me hate you OG Symmetra
I think new players are gonna have a hard time adjusting to RMB that pierces in any brawl comps
Finally someone who agrees with sym’s left and right click. Those ball are so slow and so easy to dodge and the primary fire hit box is so dookie. I was playing it yesterday and I was literally right up a hog’s ass and the beam was not connecting. I wanna say I was maybe 2m behind him and it was not connecting. Not to mention Sym’s shield apply is ass. There is a reason why Sym got reworked two times people
Dva was my first main when the game came out
Playing this mode makes me miss old bastion, I hope they consider reverting his ultimate for 6v6
Genji is atleast A. Hes so good
Genji will never be A tier as long as Winston is S tier.
@@IIMiikexDII But winston lowkey doesnt do much to genjj
Sym's mitigation if you actually use her shields is kinda crazy, but she does lack a bit everywhere else xD~
I think her tp is pretty good in certain situations, but generally yeah I agree.
I think pirate ship or any other form of defense where a bastion can remain in one place and have a rein just sit in front of him is really good. Have had games where I just dominate by playing rein and sitting with my bastion for the whole game on high ground
I versed 5 torbs and a mercy yesterday it was torture for a couple minutes until we all swap Winston and jumped them
Bro really did Lucio is c teir, he’s got by far the best team sustain in classic.
Yeah its just criminal lol. I was Diamond back then on this exact version of Lucio with like 75% win rate. He is not C tier
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN. I outheal Mercy most of the time in classic with Lucio. Literally made me decide to pick him up in the current OW too as a main.
I think this man forgot that back in the day, Lucio was THE meta support and Mercy was the “never pick, troll hero,” yet he manages to have them backwards in this rating. Lol
junkrat in c tier is crazy.
Console torb is super busted on classic. Set turret in a good spot, and by the time they even get a good chance to kill it; you have ult and just win the fight anyway.
I give D.va higher than D loce playing her since og. But Torbjorn was never broken on console, the only reason he was a problem is because there is usually 5 to six of them on defense maps. Making it almost impossible to take a point with the over lapping turrets that it becomes 6v12.
Honestly old lucio is low D tier, not F only because the boop is insanely strong
LMAO wut? Hes slippery as hell, empowers ball comps, and shuts down wombos. Old Lucio was pretty top tier if you know how to actually not get shot lol
Mei is S tier, I got to diamond in 2016 off of doing isolations with the wall. Plus she can 1v1 anyone and her ult simply wins teamfights
"sym right click sucks" whaaaat. it's slow but it's freaking powerful
I don’t think he understood the people and how many meis there are
I would argue Winston and Zarya swap for most ranks and nonmeta compositions, but otherwise this is spot on.
bastion is High A tier until you get a rein to work with you then Rein and Bastion become S tier
Remember flying bastion exist
You can sym turret a ball?!
Idk how we even thought dva was good back then
Dude, just put everything in F tier, it's overwatch. There's your list.
Sym sucks, but i like the shield giver and her ultimate concept, i'd love support sym back but with some upgrades (with her ult still being massive wall though)
I was just telling one of my friends this. The 25 HP is so good as we’ve seen in OW2 as well and TP is strong af when used by the team well. If they would’ve given her the Symm 2.0 buffs and a little extra, she would’ve been a pretty good supportive hero.
@@nightwolfsfury8476 Agreed! and so fun, too
widows literally always been S tier
The reason you skip E tier comes from school doesnt it? Didnt wanted to confuse the viewers that it means excellent eh? .. ouhboy..
why is torb broken on console specifically?
It's because console players don't have the kind of sensitivity that PC players have, so they can't flick the turret before getting unloaded on. Same reason Widowmaker is way more OP on PC than console, because players can have better accuracy.
pre rework hog into orissa ana when he was gutted after season 1 was the worst hero ever.
I'm so sorry, but red was not the move
How is torb better on console?
Overwatch 2 is overwatch too
Bro forgot Lucio. F Tier. Even worse than that
Lucio in c is crazy I agree with flats he is barely above dva. And that’s coming from a Lucio main
old Sym was so fun. traps, flanks, didn't have to aim, perfect after-work dps sesh.
Move lucio up to a and soldier to d
I had someone tell me that Rein was by far the worst tank in ow1. How.
Because when they play Rein they probably think their job is to tank a camping Bastion with his shield and then proceeds to wonder why he has no shields lmao
To be fair by the end of ow1 rein was pretty bad. Sigma and Orisa were better in double shield, winston and dva were better dive tanks, roadhog with his one shot combo was op, and zarya was meta relevant primarily for countering roadhog. Rein didn't really have a place in the meta.
But at the start of ow1 before the introduction of orisa and sigma, rein was definitely strong.
IDK release lifeweaver was AWFUL
He still is 😂 even after all the buffs he's still the most useless trash support in the game, every other support is just better or more useful
Nah dude hanzo in OW Classic is diabolical. So many things you can do with his scatter. And the arrows size of LOGS dude?? No way he's not S tier 😮
Original Overwatch was unbalanced - but FUN. Modern Overwatch is boring as hell.
Dude. Overwatch Classic is S tier. Bring back 6v6
Tomb isn't broken on console players are just bad ngl
Bastion is f and always has been f
I have missed this version of mercy for 7 years. I can't stop playing this mode
I like mei
2016 Dva should be absolutely be brought in the normal game
That death sentence I will never wish my enemy's to play 2016 dva
Dva is so sad, they mesed with her control sceme when getting rid of rockets and its so disorienting
Doesn't she have the same control scheme as she did during OW1? That's the point of classic lol
Mercy huge rezz is weak as fuck in OW classic. I've playee alot of mercy and I have seen alot of mercy in OW classic and rezz is yes a fast ult wich is good but it super easily countered. And just feeds the enemy ult charge
What are u talking about? Explain to me how a full 5 man rez is "super easily countered"??
Lmao sym is S tear because you don’t have to aim and damage get stronger the more you do damage l
You have to be up their asscrack to be able to hit them with the beam and the right clic takes forever to charge. The turrets also take incredibly long to setup and she has no escape tools
@ yea you can tell u suck in overwatch or never play overwatch 1 nd I know you only play moira in overwatch 2 because you can’t aim one day you be good in video games
@@suriclips4158 Not to mention the right click projectiles are incredibly slow and the team doesn't realize you have a teleporter 90% of the time
DVA being the weakest hero is quite fun to play as her, being an underdog. Now we have modern DVA messing everything up.
Surely needed adjustments but not the OW2 treatment
2019 Dva is way different from this one, it is better
How is Mia not in s tier She has a wall that will not break. She can heal herself and stop herself from dying with her cryo- freeze and her weapon literally stop people from playing the game.
Because other characters just one shot people. Like mei just falls over against Cassidy. Mei is good but other heroes break the game
DVA finally got balanced
I was a soldier main on console untill the recoil nerf
I've been playinh him non stop on console ow classic
I want old soldier back 😢
The recoil is so easy to control wtf, have you never played call of duty??
I gotta be honest, I think d.va is way underrated. She is def f teir compared to her rework, but compared to the rest of the ow classic cast she is def not f tier. She fills her role as an off tank on attack points perfectly well. I've had no issues, plus you just save your e for big abilities and it actually lasts longer than it does in its toggle form. Just my opinion
Zenyatta A tier?! On what planet, Zen is so freaking slow and is made out of toilet paper.
However, his discord orb is 50% extra damage, can be applied infinitely, and stays on targets
His discord is one of the most unique abilities in the game. Zen is played for discord and nothing else, his healing is just something that helps. Oh and his right click is basically a mini widowmaker lol
But there's also a reason in my squad, our callout for him is Paperboy lol. Dont get shot xD
Slap them all in f. Classic is so bad and horrible feeling. I played one game and kept swapping characters and realised they can't do anything and have next to no abilities. Literally went right back to qp and haven't touched it since
The only character who even feels normal is tracer
Nah Classic is when OW was actually fun. Why do you think they even came out with Classic? The games hemorrhaging players and they want to try to bring back the old players who left because OW2 is shit.
Playing one game is funny. Barely gave it a chance. Playing classic is the most fun I've had since ow2 released except maybe the beta
classic dva worse than current sombra? surely not
Have you played either of them? I agree with Emon, classic D.va is the worst version of any OW hero ever. She's unplayable
Current sombra is mid, classic dva is actual garbage
@@diablotry5154current sombra is broken if you know how to play sombra properly and don't just try farm supports coming out of spawn