And the irony is, that immigration went up post-Brexit and the UK traded EU immigrants for Middle Eastern and African immigrants who will work for cheaper but make no effort to integrate. Their annoyance about Polish and Romanian lorry drivers got them overrun by migrants who are incompatible with European culture.
Brexit was about the UK having more secure borders, not having free movement, & not having another large entity tell the UK what to do & who it can trade with etc. It wasn't all about immigration. Anybody with half a brain could tell you that & would know that as soon as brexit happened it would be easier for non EU people to migrate b/c there would be tons of labour shortages which there is now (957,000 job vaccancies)
@@mrvwbug4423 oh shut the hell up. Migrants from non EU countries are overwhelmingly skilled workers in areas that are in need & most work for similar salaries as the average Brit. Plus we'll integrate a whole lot better than most EU migrants since the vast majority of us speak English & are coming from former colonies. Just say you prefer white immigrants & stop the long talking.
Sunak doesn’t want our fellow Europeans working and living here, but he is desperate for a trade deal with India which will mean mass immigration from that country.
Immigration hasn't been "fixed" in any European country with an anti-immigration party in government. Why would it? It's more useful to conservatives as an existential threat to get votes through rather than as a problem to be addressed.
@@amsluI think he's suggesting that neither care and one just uses it as a fake talking point. Simply forget about it because no one wants to "fix" ot
it's going to be interesting to see what the next party does, considering that the Government removed the Fixed-term Parliament Act, which unless the House wants to kick them out, they'll remain in power for years
@@AdyMaunderIt tends to be every 4/5 years, even before the act came into being. There would be a huge scandal if they don't leave after the fifth year
Imagine expecting a party that is funded by big corporate money to fix immigration. It's not like capitalists would suddenly stop benefiting from cheap labor force.
This is exactly it. They are exploiting cheap foreign labour and this is why it will never get fixed and the media who is funded by them corporations attacks any effort to fix it.
Add to this the xenophobic actions of a minority and thus tainting the subject all part of the plan. It should be clear that the issue is with the system, not the individual.
One key component of this issue is that if we have 700,000 people coming into the country each year... Well, they could all be angels, but are we building 700,000 new houses? Are we building *ANY* new infrastructure? Given there doesn't seem like any political will to reduce new migration to 'sustainable' levels (whatever those levels are), and so large net migration seems like a definite in the medium term, we need to look at stuff like this. Labour seem to have some semblance of a plan, streamlining planning permission and even building new towns. The Tories on the other hand... Well, let's not talk about them. I'd rather not breach youtube's community standards.
UK can’t even build a proper high speed railway mate. Ain’t no way infrastructure is improving. We’ll all be moving up and down the UK like the Flintstones soon.
Those who came to join family can live at their cousin/children/uncles houses. Those who came as students can share a room. Some culture live more often live in multi-generational households. All to say that you don't need 700000 homes for 700000 migrants. Sadly the Polish house builders aren't present anymore.
Partially agree. Build more social housing - say 2 and 3 bedroom - but not big houses for wealthy people to rattle around in. Also, we need a way to stop wealthy people buying up property and then renting it out at excorbiaant rents.
"The Tories were doing everything right and everyone was happy in the UK with the way they were Governing...If they could have just stopped the small boats, they would have won the next election" - No one, ever.
@@sidarthsubramanian7480 The bigger pictures that as a whole migration can be good depending on skill set, and religion. Some groups it is very different and costs billions and counting.
The NHS has got more and more funding every year. The tories have poured millions into the NHS. under Blair we spent 26% of the budget on the NHS, this rose to 35% under Sunak. The problem is our ageing population. More and more people need healthcare as our population gets older and older, drawing in resources. That’s why as money has been poured in the service hasn’t got it better it’s just being trying to maintain the same levels. This is worrying trend predictions think we will be spending 42% of the government budget on healthcare by 2040 because our ageing population.
I'd be interested in knowing why they had to revise their figure and why can they be trusted to not again need to revise their figures upwards in the future. They're claiming immigration has fallen, but I have no way of knowing they won't revise this year's figure up in a year's time.
It's very easy to understand. Because the following year figures were at 675,000 so by actually being honest that the previous years figure wasn't 600,000 but 745,000 they can say they reduced the number. But your right. They can't be trusted.
A lot of British people are ignorant as to how the country works. If the immigration route is via legal terms then why complain when it’s boosting the economy? It’s the same reason why brexit happened & now the prime minister is scrambling around the globe looking for trade deals. All I hear is people complaining but not offering any practical solutions
1200 GBP for nursery fee per child. 2400 for 2. Sort out your demographic policies UK. As usual you're firefighting the shadow of a pile of ash instead of preventing the fire itself.
Best comment I’ve seen here, the government is allowing mass immigration because there are not enough people here nursery bills are very high and healthcare pay is average. Young british people want to study sociology, history, music and geography not nursing and medicine!
so I'm not from the UK, but I find it very annoying that I can't leverage my high qualifications to working in the UK because I need an employer visa sponsorship, but if I wanted to do a 1-year masters, they'd give me a 5-year visa no sweat. If you're gonna slam the door, just slam the door like the US does - either hit the 1-in-35 green card lottery or f*ck off.
u have no idea what yr talking about. Its 2 years and time spent on it doesn't count towards the 5yr ILR path 🤡 which means you'll eventually need a sponsor if you want PR. Also, whys it annoying ? UK sponsors aren't impossible to obtain. The US system is dogshit, just look at their current boarder crisis.
@@pants10000 It appears you're correct on the 2 year part. With that being said, I never said that I wouldn't need an eventual employer-side extension and never referenced ILR either. It was to highlight the fact that I can't break in (and I barely get rounds) because employers won't spot you a visa, but as soon as I have a visa and reside in the UK; all of a sudden every employer under the sun would be interested. And I find that very frustrating to deal with.
I don't know about that. I just completed my masters and the visa was 1 year. I am also highly skilled and left a high paying job at the time to do my masters because I'm preparing for upward movements in my career.
thats why non EU immigration is hugely up this was always going to be the knock on effect of trying to find new trading partners. With irony being no new trading partners have been found.
The honest truth is immigration is NOT the cause of most issues in the U.K. Majority of migrants come into the UK legally. And most of those are either skilled workers - doctors, nurses etc. - or students who spend tens of thousands of pounds in the economy. Immigration has been used by the Tories as a distraction from their horrific policies which have led to absurd waiting times at hospitals, dilapidating school buildings and the lowest economic growth in the G7. The sooner the British government stops going on about immigration and starts formulating feasible policies, the better off it’s citizens will be.
@hfbk858...200% true but alot these race obsessed Britsh ethno-nationalist complainers don't like to see the failing aspects of the conservative party for a decade. Its easy to blame ''immigrants and migration policy'' because these people have low self esteem and the only thing that makes them feel ''better'' is the false feeling of superiorty over migrants.
@@Jim90117 No it’s not. The reason why immigration is needed is to fill the skill shortages caused by austerity. The Tories gutted public services and took the country out of the EU, which led to severe staff shortages that now have to be filled with overseas labour. Immigrants pay an immigration health surcharge for everyone including their dependents. Immigrants do a lot of jobs that Brits don’t want to do. Most of them aren’t free loaders like the Tories would like you to believe. If the Government funds and reforms public services and invests in training Brits to address the labour shortages then the U.K. will be less dependent on migration. However, this will take time to do.Until then, the U.K. needs immigrants and also needs to realise that they’re not the cause of their issues. Inconsistent and counterproductive government policies are.
Migration Watch forecast Britain’s population would rise to between 83 million and 87 million by 2046 if net migration continued at the present They also have other figure you might not like. Tax payers Alliance has more facts you might not like too. I do however wish you were right, and plenty of good people do come ofcourse. Brexit was bad, as many felt unwelcome, and left for home. Also the rest of Europe wants it to fail, and tries to make sure it does.
Ive recently retired from the NHS. What these visas dont show is staff coming to work in the NHS. Bring their families and they get housing above home grown staff. Ive mentored these foreign nurses many deemed poorly qualified for the position they applied for. But the NHS just redeploys them to a less stressful area. So £1000s spent on recruitment but not always useful recruitment and they dont always fill the skills issue Im sick of hearing foreigners keep the NHS going. Foreigners dont British NHS staff are the back bone of the NHS.
as a medical student, I can tell from personal experience they don't just need to encourage more locals to be healthcare workers, they need to build the infrastructures (more hospitals) to accomodate the training. The hospitals are getting stretched with the increasing number of medical students requiring placements. On top of that, there is a bottle neck for jobs between junior doctors and specialisation training positions, which need to be expanded (not enough specialist positions to ratio of junior doctors finishing foundation training). What is the point if we don't have jobs to progress to after training for 5 years in medical school and 2 years in foundation.
Yeah.. it's immigration is going to cost the Tories the election, not the cuts to policing, education, local councils, pot holes in the roads, an NHS on it's knees, rent, mortgages, food and energy all through the roof, and the poorest 20% in the UK are now poorer than the poorest 20% in Poland! Student doctors and nurses forced to use food banks, food bank usage at it's highest point ever in history, tripling of the national debt, the enormous asset transfer from the working and middle class to the super rich. Yeah it's immigration that will finish them off...
This happens because there is a big difference between real problems and perceived problems. However, I see that many Brexit supporters still blame Europe for their crisis, essentially they don't want to take anything back.
That's because immigration cost's the Taxpayer a fortune all for funding corporation's lower wage's . Basic economics More people mean's you have less to go round .
Tell me you’re privileged without telling me you’re privileged. Whatever loathing you feel about the Uk it’s still an incredibly better place to live in for them.
@@Bushflarethere are currently 1.5 million empty homes in the UK between 250,000 and 600,000 of which have been vacant for years. Immigration isn't the issue it's land lords running wild charging exorbitant prices and a lack of a livable wage even the "living wage" is too low for many people
@@Skuldug You realise 1.5 million empty homes wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't inflated our population to the point of 10 million foreign-born people, right? That's just the first-generation immigrants. More than 10% of our population. We shouldn't look at continually consuming our countryside as a solution to housing millions upon millions of people who didn't have to be here in the first place, nor would the empty homes be affecting the housing prices if demand wasn't artificially inflated by the constant influx of hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year. And if you think the living wage is a bastard then maybe throw workers a bone by not artificially inflating the job market with foreign-born competition undercutting the native workers who won't work for slave-wages. You're all Momentum talking points, man. Think for yourself about the actual situation.
@@Bushflare cool story I get you don't like immigrants, how about you put that energy towards the money and resource stealing elites who are actually causing the problems instead of families just trying to make the best lives for their children
Yeah, even as a tourist (or to visit people I know), I don't think going to the UK is a good option now. And listen, my country almost became "conservativized" in the tory style too this year (no spexit included), but that bullet is dodged, so most of the reasons why I wouldn't leave to the UK remain. The british economy is not doing that well (specially because of the prices, rich people are overpricing products there even more than here). The people who question other's existence the most lost votes actually, so we are avoiding the TERF and the general anti-trans wave for now. Public healthcare is surprisingly more effective here. I'd need to carefully check the immigration laws to go. Too many people really like the monarchy, instead of having the apathetic and conformist attitude that I'm more used to. Housing is somehow even worse there (wow). Our politicians at least try to hide their involvement in human right violations, like the massacre in the border of Melilla, instead of putting them upfront, like that Rwanda bs or the boat prision… and I could go one. And I'm gonna be clear. I'm saying the country that contributed the most on how I became an anarchist, out of opposition to lots of things going on, has better living conditions for me than the UK.
@@MrTHF Don't be so sure you dodged that bullet, that is a very fragile coalition. A snap election would probably produce a government where Vox is making all the domestic policy. And Vox basically wants a de facto Spanish Inquisition for the 21st century, erasing anyone who isn't a rabidly fanatical Catholic that only speaks Castillian Spanish. Sanchez is trying to make peace with the Catalan separatist movement both for his own ends (to form a government) and to try to put the issue to bed so the other separatist movements in Spain don't start new unrest. Remember, Catalonia and the Basque never agreed to be part of Spain, they were forced to at gunpoint by Franco.
As someone who lives here, it is a shit-hole. And people are happy for it to get worse, to the point where succumbing to total austerity is great, so long as they don't see any foreigners on the street. You can probably tell from the first reply to your comment.
@@SK-hq6ux So according to your logic seeing no "foreigners on the street" is going to make the UK worse? I disagree, however it's really the foreigners in parliament that need to be gotten rid of if the UK is going to stand any chance of improving. And if you don't like it here you can always leave...
Part of the issue is that the UK has an ageing population and a shortage of engineers, doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, police, prison officers, soldiers, construction workers - as well as a shortage of care workers for the increasing number of the elderly.
We're going to have a shortage of care workers for as long as care work is treat as a for-profit industry. Until wages are actually worth the work, those numbers will stay low Sick of seeing 'Senior' roles offering £11 an hour - with no mileage payments or car inusrance contributions- in exchange for 3 years experience. Ridiculous industry practices
Most of that is not true. The part about aging population is. But there is not a shortage or people to do those jobs at all except maybe doctors. The rest they want to exploit cheap foreign labour and undercut the British workers.
@@cyber_rachel7427the reason wages are low is because they are exploiting cheap foreign labour. Why pay a British person the proper wage to do the job when you can pay someone from a third world country to do it? This is what it's all about and why the problem will never get fixed.
If the Tories really wanted to reduce immigration in the long term, they should follow Liz Truss handbook: - wreak the economy - remove personal rights, not all just most of them - reduce scope, amount and quality of services for citizens , after all there are less taxes to pay for it - remove any higher education economic contribution of the government to increase student fees while hopefully reducing quality (Liz didn't reach this point) As an added benefit this should also increase emigration, so net migration will be even lower. In a couple of decades migration might be reduced to a few thousands people. Not sure the other citizens will appreciate the new situation more. /s
public services are always bad everywhere, the private sector always outperforms the public sector on average in every country, less tax is always a net gain for citizens.
Student fees are the only thing you shouldn’t cut back on but the rest is true. The system was made for a growing or at least a stable population. With the current birthrates this is impossible to maintain
@@GroudonsGame people coming looking for jobs is not the same as who is entering the uk on those boats.for example the Dublin child slasher never had a job.
@@GroudonsGame California has the largest number of homeless in the US. It has the highest Taxes in the US. It has the highest wealth inequality in the US. Highest rents/house prices in the US. Hollywood might look all glitz and glamour but much of Claifornia is horrible. Trust me, ive seen it. Homeless camps and people living like animals on the streets. It's not liek you see on TV. Many people in California live worse than in the 3rd world. It's got so bad, that record numbers are leaving the state and moving to places liek Texas or Arizona etc.
"The Tories made reducing immigration a top priority" -- No, TLDR; they merely "said" that they made reducing immigration a top priority. In reality, they tripled the amount of people coming into the country that came in under Tony Blair, and Tony Blair in turn brought in more migrants in his tenure than the past 1000 years combined. Really makes you think.
I hope the reckoning comes for this soon because the longer we wait the uglier it's going to get and I just hope the crossfire people will be getting caught in is metaphorical.
You're still talking about immigration as if it's a bad thing. Did you not see the main part of the video, where it said that 99% of immigration is helpful and contributing to the UK economy..?
@@geoffdavids7647 Oh well if it's good for the *economy* then I don't know why people are opposed to it at all. Because wage stagnation, plummeting social cohesion, overcrowding infrastructure, unaffordable housing, shrinking green belt, and rising ethnic consciousness amongst native Britons are all fine prices to pay for 'helping the economy'. Mate, stop thinking like the Tories want you to think. You can't measure the impact of every problem in GDP.
@@adam7802 Is that a migration problem or an economic system problem? The idea that job competition drives salary hikes is not really a reality, especially not for people at the bottom and middle rungs of society. The issue is wealth concentration. The UK economy is largely centralised to London. Various industries are suffering under investment, on top of which, Thatcherite economics (similar to Reaganite economics) sold off most of the UK's resources to foreign owners, so money at the top tier of the country is leaving the country. What nationals need to focus on is regaining some form of control over resources and diversifying economic strategies that serve the entire population and not just London.
Immigration will be the reason the younger generation will never beable to afford a house. there are a decently sized group of people who don't see themselves as British and keep trying to make britian a different country. and taking about it has become a crime. like, I want britian to be the best britian it can be, by solve issues and not burning it down
And this is at the crux of it all. Low immigration and free market neo-liberal 'Conservativism' are incompatible with one another; one stems from roots of protectionism, the other, globalisation; I can't believe that some people, meaning the vast majority, still don't understand this.
Who tf is arguing for absolute free market capitalism? The sentiment is generally that people want the government to minimise regulation which leads to the stifling of small businesses and the perpetuation of monopolies. You rarely meet someone who says "There is no place for regulation within the market." 'Free Market' is just a principle like 'Open Borders'. Even open borders advocates aren't arguing for Isis to be welcome or whatever, they just want borders to be *more* open like people want the market to be *more* free.
Is there a reason why we can't create a special temporary passport system? i.e. give refugees certain rights but no citizenship. The system would allow them to stay in the UK but must return to their country once the war/conflict is over. While they are here they can access to some health and social benefits but are not allowed to do other things like own assets or properties etc. Of course, while they are here they can try to gain full citizenship by learning a skill that is needed in the UK or by joining the military. Any crime committed would not result in prison but instead immediate deportation.
That's the idea behind a student visa, you come you study and you leave. But the pro mass immigration crowd get them to bring their family, and then claim well they've settled in the UK now and should be allowed to stay and have rights to remain and repeat infinitely
Something like that does exist. It's called Humanitarian Leave to Remain. The trouble is that most people with a valid asylum claim have no clear end date for when they will no longer be in danger back home, if ever. It's not just wars they're fleeing, it's things like political persecution, forced marriage, trafficking, blood feuds.
@@kcmurdarasi sure but there are some which have end dates like the Libyan civil war being over for 3 years now. Yet how many people sent back? It's 0 isn't it.
"House" - is the problem. Build tall not wide. 5 bedroom 80sqm Chicken Incubators. Ever wondered why estate websites like rightmove, zoopla don't have a filter by SQM ? Find me another country in the world that doesn't value by SQM. You're digging in the wrong direction.
@@kevinh4869 comparing immigrants coming in for work to an empire which argubly commmited worse crimes than nazis and killed more people than the population of the UK ten fold is mad
We have this collective delusion that we're not dependent on mass immigration to do the work the vast majority of the native population can't or won't do, instead of investing in education, training and apprenticeships we keep poaching cheap skilled labour from overseas, without which, the economy would implode (and the tories know it) and then throw our hands up in despair at immigration data, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious
Here's a thought then. Dramatically cut immigration, sponsor education, and allow wages to rise to a place where people not willing to live in abject poverty would be fine taking them. Alternatively slash welfare massively and force people to take jobs instead of living on handouts. The short-term would be rocky but the long term is a fix we need to make before the country becomes unrecognisable.
I imagine most people don’t want to do the missing jobs as they don’t pay much and are fairly gruelling to do. If they payed a bit more or you couldn’t get a similar amount of money from benefits then maybe more natives would do them.
@@Bushflare No- because the UK, like the rest of Europe, has had a falling birth rate and an ageing population for at least 20 years. There are simply not enough young people in the UK. Look around you - how many young couples do you know who have had more than 2 children? Factor in that many people do not have any children at all, then its clear the birth rate has been below 2 for many years. Biological maths, not Politics. The same is happening all over Europe. The population of Italy is actually shrinking by a quarter of a million a year, despite the right-wing government promising to reduce immigration.
I think it could easily be said that immigration is likely costing any government in the west currently. No one is saying "diversity is our strength" or "multiculturalism" is good any more. That has clearly been proven a false narrative. Anyone that questions that go look at the facts, any charts that show a spike in migration also shows a spike of crime, lowering of standard of living and cultural friction. Emotion is all well and good, but being emotional about a topic doesn't change the facts. Those facts have been hidden by the media and government for years, but soon that won't be enough.
Our unelected pm needs to call an election now. Enough is enough. He is hanging around no.10 like a bad smell, waiting for something advantageous to come up. That ain't going to happen. We can see through this shower.
@lukefleetwood7958 I understand its the parliamentary democracy. However, they played this game last year and lumbered this country with liz truss. A general election should of been called when she got chased out of no.10. They are finished, let us decide.
No, the current system works. They were elected until the next general election in 2024. Who or however many leaders they have in-between is up to them, but it will all contribute to damaging their next election campaign, so they will be punished. Having an election every crisis is irresponsible and defeats the sanctity of the electoral system. @@alzo1sgood
Dude, you immediately conflate immigrants with asylum seekers. Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to point out there's a difference between: 1) legal immigrants 2) illegal immigrants 3) war refugees 4) asylum seekers These four categories are VERY different things. Mainstream media, activists, and "educators" are always lecturing us peasants that the world is not black & white, that everything is a nuanced shade of gray, and yet they also insist on COLLAPSING category differences whenever it suits them.
Ask your 70+ neighbour which of these classes he voted against during Brexit vote. He used the difference in race, colour and culture gauged by his 2 eyes. He doesn't care of your provenance. Its binary -> Brit / Not Brit. None of brexit voters care of the legality of your immigration status.
Cool but there's too many of (1), too many of (2), most who we're told are (3) are not, and anyone not fleeing French persecution is heavily abusing the title of (4) to a degree it's turning the public off the idea of giving asylum in the first place. So the nuance doesn't really matter when all 4 categories are overrun with problems people want fixed.
@@Bushflare You realize a lot of these populist leaders speak out loudly about reducing 1) but then still quietly invite them in, right? Because while anti-immigrant talk SOUNDS good for election purposes, these European countries need the labor
@@coyotelong4349 Who's talking about leaders here? We're only in this mess to begin with because everyone KNOWS the political class has destroyed the social cohesion of the country for their own gain. Sure we need labour but we need our cultures too and there's a reckoning coming for sacrificing the one in favour of cheaply increasing the other and the sooner it happens the less ugly it's going to get. I'm a 3rd generation immigrant and I gotta tell you I'm not fond of these people forcing Europeans to reawaken their ethnic consciousnesses because sooner or later I'm gonna be the outsider and watching people sleepwalk my country into that is dreadful to watch.
One does not know whats under UK's fake carpet until he actually starts living here. UK is very good at making false claims, impressions and propaganda, whilst concealing its true ugly face.
@@danielwebb8402 Less appealing to legal immigrants, illegal immigrants escaping stuff will go anywhere. There is a large Syrian population in Somalia at the moment.
It's quite simple: the numbers need to come down considerably. The reason the politicians are stalling on this is because those arriving won't be after their jobs. The reason the professional managerial class support this is for the same reason, or a misguided "Be kiNd!" attitude. And the reason the companies support this is because they can get cheaper labour, more unlikely to make a fuss about their working rights or wage rises. What's happening in Ireland - regarding the "hate speech" legislation - is very worrying. The politicians know the bigger problem (housing and jobs) needs to be fixed, but instead they are placing the blame on the citizens rightly worried and anxious about the impact of migration, as a way to deflect responsibility. Talk about victim blaming and manipulation. THEY are fuelling the fire and discord, and they have the brass neck to blame people for getting frustrated.
This is entirely an issue that has been generated by the current government. Before Brexit the numbers were far lower and anyone who came over on one of these boats could be sent back to the continent. However, due to the slap-dash way the whole Brexit process was handled the agreements that had previously allowed the government to remove such immigrants back became null and void.
They still can be if a French person breaks into the country, we deport them or at least we did. The problem is that each country has stopped deporting even failed asylum claims.
Part of the problem is that in theory the government could have returned people back to Europe before Brexit but in reality they didn't use these powers. Brexit was brought about by the arrogance of the Blair and then Cameron Government.
Make all illegal immigrants for their accommodation and food until their asylum application is processed... If the application is rejected then make them pay for their flight back to their country of origin. Also while their asylum application is being processed make them work in closed labour camps at half of minimum wage and deduct social care charges too in order to care for minors. It's just that simple to curb illegal immigration.
Several inquiries arise: How do we determine the appropriate country to repatriate individuals lacking identification to avoid such occurrences? What course of action is taken when they lack the financial means to cover their return flight? In instances where they are unable to afford it, the responsibility falls on us-what are the associated costs? The latter part of the statement raises a significant question: are we comfortable with inadvertently perpetuating modern slavery? Lastly, is it pragmatic to allocate resources for repatriation when the outcome constitutes only 1%, especially when the expenses incurred far surpass the alternative of disregarding the issue altogether?
Long term Migration to th UK was 1.2 million in 2022 While emigration from UK was 557,000 800,000 of those migrants did not have any Visa. This video has pretty graphs and a long dicussion about the 160,000 valid Visa holders. Its not about Visas, its about illegal migration.
The UK was never in Schengen, and despite what was spread by AI-generated ads on Facebook, Turkey would never join the EU. (Brexit was pointless.) Tories never wanted to control immigration; illegal immigration should be a separate discussion.Have great one ,it's freezing 🥶
Cap immigration to the same number that emigrate. Essentially a net zero policy. Those with the highest number of points are prioritised entry. Points are deducted per dependent you want to bring with you. Meanwhile reduce the number of Brits going to university and encourage those who don't go to get jobs in hospitality, care, farm work etc.
To reduce the number of Brits going to university, you would have to sustainably offer higher wages and decentralised economic activity, while also continuing to provide the sevices on which Britons rely. Brits, just like most populations of any developed nation, want a career that gives them upward mobility. Humans operate on incentive, all that needs to be done is incentivising skills in areas such as farming, care etc.
@@joshryantt I don't think anything needs to be done as such. If University subsidies are restricted to A grade students doing valuable courses then the rest will need to start a job or an apprenticeship. And many of those 18 year olds will naturally start in hospitality, manual labour or care roles. Those with natural talent will get vital work experience and end up working their way up the career ladder. Essentially replacing immigrants with 18 year old Brits suddenly needing a job because there are fewer uni places available
@@amb8274 I don't think that's a viable strategy, considering a high percentage of 18-30 year olds are already leaving Britain for better opportunities elsewhere, that will just serve to further alienate British young people from their country. Also, with the fact that skills based jobs such as software and digital branding can be accessed through certifications instead of a University degree.
Thanks for explaining the myths on migration. Remember, there's a difference between illegal and legal migration. People coming here to be doctors and contribute to the society need thanking by the British public.
|This ongoing issue will not be fixed by sunak.........ITS all part of his deal with indian premier modi following sunaks various meetings in india where it was decided that for india to agree a trade deal with the UK, the uk MUST allow free movement of indians into the UK......... Thats why sunak cant or WONT tackle this issue.
I’m still trying to figure out why anybody wants to go to the UK when there are so many other places to go. I’ve been there many times and I enjoy a visit but I could never ever ever live there. To each their own I guess.
all this fearmongering around immigration would be funny if it wasn't so depressing. there's no "fix" to immigration. there's asylum seekers, who are legal migrants, there's a lot of other forms of legal immigration, and then there's that small subsection of people seeking immigration "illegally". most if not all "illegal immigrants" would seek legal migration were it an option.
Cool. But that comes with the preface that we're morally obligated to take any of them. We're not. We're morally obligated to take care of our own and any others who we allow into the country come in as a privilege, not a right. All these foreign dictates about these people from far-flung parts of the world deserving access to the UK are morally inept and are being abused to the overwhelming detriment of the native population of the UK. The worst, laziest people from countries less morally developed than our own are being given for free what they should be working to deserve and it's destroying the cultural cohesion of the country.
@sdrawkcabUK general misunderstanding it ain’t about cheap labour the UK needs workers in general, there’s an ageing population, therefore a bunch of pensioners who need someone to push the economy so they get their pensions. Reducing immigration is literally just not an option at the moment
Also immigrants aren’t stealing jobs, the UK has an overemployment problem (rather than unemployment) meaning there is a lot of jobs people are not taking, this is also bad for the economy
You see the stats and are still in denial, the UK population is old and if you are actually involved in the public sector you’d see a lot of nurses and doctors are Polish, Indian and Nigerian. A lot of infantry soldiers are migrants too, there aren’t enough young white British people around.
Every time I hear them talk about small boats, I can't help but think of the Clarke and Dawe sketch on Australian immigration - "Stop the boats!" "How would you do that?" "I dunno, some kind of boat-stopping device presumably, I'm sure we've got one in the back somewhere..." etc.
Labour will not be able to fix immigration either. we are bound by international treaties. And when we try to deport cases are taken to the world court and it gets stopped so in reality until these loopholes and treaties are either rectified or withdrawn from completely no government will be able to reduce immigration.
Except it's a key cause of the cost of living crisis. Huge immigration drives down wages and squeezes the housing supply. And it's gotten much worse since Brexit, since EU immigrants were expecting to be paid EU wages while migrants from Africa are willing to do the same work for a lot less money. So that Nigerian lorry driver who replaced the Polish lorry driver who got kicked out after Brexit works for half the money
Yeah, mostly unqualified, low wage folks who won't be making much of a contribution to taxes. Meanwhile the highly qualified are running away because the UK taxes 40% or more even if you're earning slightly above the average. Big win!
At the end of the day immigrants equal new taxpayers to fund the pensions bill what we need is a more sophisticated and comprehensive system to screen and control it
Net migration will drop anyway due to the banning of students from bringing over depenedents, visa costs going up all around, & it now being easier for Brits to leave & go to places like Australia, New Zealand, & Canada with working holiday visas. The next thing they can do is maybe increase the financial threshold for those coming on skilled worker visas & build more homes (which people have been screaming about for many years!). These changes would likely drop net migration down to 400k - 500k anyway & whenever the war in Ukraine ends or the number of Ukrainian refugees coming over drops significantly the Ukraine scheme can come to an end which would drop net migration further. Then another thing people need to remember, the UK currently has 957k job vaccancies, some very important areas like those in health & care in critical need of workers, & an aging population with a low birthrate so much of the population growth is from immigration which is heavily needed in this country.
The UK is rapidly exporting its young people from what I've seen. I took a trip to BC, Canada this last summer and it was definitely living up to the British part of the name, heard almost as many British accents as Canadian and a fair few Aussies to boot. Canada is almost becoming a refuge for people from other English speaking countries, especially the UK and Australia, but even some Americans.
@@mrvwbug4423 it's not just UK, many Australians, Canadians, Americans, & Irish are here in the UK to. It's easier for people to travel & move around now so more people are going to places they prefer. Even I left the US to come here to the UK
@@farhantambe1929 no there is no unlimited dependents. Dependents are limited to just your spouse/partner & children under 18 & each dependent is expensive to bring over to the UK. Also the shortage occupation list exists b/c these are the occupations that are in dire need of workers & there aren't enough British citizens working in these occupations despite massive efforts in getting British workers into them. I believe they should increase the financial threshold to atleast minimum salary (£27k per annum) instead of having it be 20% below the medium salary
@@mrvwbug4423do you realise how many Indians have migrated to Canada lately? The very people you tend hate so much are doing quite well and highly integrated and assimilated to main Canadian society without causing any issues
6:35 This doesn't seem to track logically. I don't have the exact numbers to nail this down precisely, but it appears to me as though the current visas for healthcare workers only induce longer NHS wait times. The entry of one healthcare worker into England will bolster the relevant industry yes, but the entry of that individual's family is more likely to introduce a burden on the NHS. Yes, not every migrant will bring a family, but many who do likely have a wife and many children.
The problem is not the number of immigrants. Immigration can be a good thing for the welcoming country (the NHS workers immigrants have a positive impact on the society), the problem is how do these immigrants integrate in the society, how are we welcoming them and how are we encouraging them to integrate
Some CANNOT integrate by their laws. Islam cannot intermarry for a start, and most want LGBT made illegal, or worse. Islam is not secular either, and will become increasingly dominant. Also there is widespread belief in conspiracy theories against the west. Muslticultualism fails as predicted unless separate opposing societies and waring factions is you goal. EU immigration can be very good, and other cultures? Expect the demise of your country.
Love that the UK is talking about getting a net migration rate that's like 1/4 of the current one Australia has, and Australia has a population less than 1/2 that of the UK.
Its British exceptionalism. Idiots in the UK genuinely believe the UK takes more migrants than any EU country, some are so stupid they think more than the EU. Its talking points and propaganda, they blame others cause its the easiest way for them to deal with stuff their brain cannot handle
Australia is a vast continent with millions of square millions of Virgin land. It has a low population density in most places and can take on large numbers of immigrants if they build new housing/infrastructure to keep up. England is a small country on a small island, that is already heavily overpopulated in the South East, which is where most new immigrants move to. The comparison between England and Australia is a facetious one and you know it. Both nations have very different abilities to absorb mass migration.
You are totally right about this. If anybody ought to complain about insanely high migration levels it's Australia, Canada or maybe Singapore. Yet British and European people somehow have this idea that those countries have sound immigration policies because it's... "legal migration"! They think that having to apply for a PR is a major deterrent while being themselves among the beneficiaries and don't realise that even legal immigration avenues result in the same outcomes.
Can someone explain to me why if someone comes to study or work in the uk, they can bring a whole army of dependants along with them? I‘be seen this happening a lot and seems like a way of abusing the system, since only one individual (or sometimes 2) actually contributes at all to the economy. Surely the more dependents someone has, the higher bar to arrival should be. I.e the agreed salary should be a multiple of the number of people arriving.
@@andybrice2711 i think because when they study here there is an intention to come and get a citizenship so they bring family to see how they would feel about it.
@@cfromnowhere Over 150,000 student dependants in one year sound like an awful lot though. Either that suggests we're training a vast number of PhDs from all over the world. (Which I guess would be a positive thing.) Or the system is being abused.
@@cfromnowhere I think it's sensible to count overseas students as immigrants. Population figures are generally calculated yearly. So I think it's logical that someone should be counted as a resident if they're expected to stay more than a year, and a visitor otherwise. We'd expect overseas students to stay in a country for at least a few years. During which time they'll need housing and public services. Then, once they leave, they'll be counted as emigrants, and the net migration figures will balance out. Whereas if you had hundreds of thousands of people living in a country but not counted as part of the population, that would quickly get very complicated, confusing, and contentious.
There is an agreed salary based on the dependents. So this isn’t really an issue, with the visas they have to prove their income to support the dependents and meet a salary threshold. Our visa scheme is actually detailed and people have to pay an NHS surcharge as well as for the visa whilst proving they have accommodation, adequate income, university enrolment etc. I believe the government wants a high number of immigrants because people are properly vetted for legal immigration.
@@taffyterrier no we absolutely do not. The UK has far less doctors per 10,000 citizens than other comparable countries. And many of our doctors leave for Australia, NZ and Canada.
Pardon my ignorance but I thought foreign nurses and doctors get paid the same as ones with British nationality? How does the NHS (i.e. their largest employer) benefit from the "cheap" part?
@@hahahasanBecause the UK didn't pay for their education. The average educated doctor costs like 70k or even more, the Brits get a "free "doctor without having invested in his/her education.
@@houseplant1016 oh i see. Didn't think about that. Doesn't this mean that immigrants are quite a substantial net positive to the economy then? Obviously not all of them, but the healthcare visas seemed to be quite the major contributor to recent growing numbers. I feel like this should be spoken about more.
As one of those immigrants I really hope this doesn't result in me taking longer to get ILR, I'd like to be able to earn extra income outside of my job here
Every article on mainstream media about migration should start and end by repeating this: 99% of the immigration is legal, has a positive impact on the economy and the services we rely on, and the schemes used by migrants to enter the UK have been brought in by the party in government.
Because he doesn't want to, it's as clear as it gets! The solution to the problem is quite simple, to be honest. It's not complicated at all, just take them and ship them back!
I worry about what's going to happen if the migration rate isn't brought under control. Not because migration is a hot button issue for me personally, but rather it's consistently been an important issue for the public at large for yonks, and consistently not been addressed. The climate on the subject feels like it has been getting more and more febrile. The more this continues to build, the more I'm worried that we're going to see a rather unpleasant populist come to power. You can't ignore a pressing issue for the public on any subject indefinitely without an explosive reaction eventually happening. (Also, to be fair, I think a lot of people want the small boat illegal immigration to stop because they don't like people dying, and evil people smugglers getting rich from it. I'm not sure if that is necessarily about migration, except that people would prefer legal immigrants than illegal ones in their society - for obvious reasons. People just prefer having law-abiding citizens.)
But surely if a lot are dependents, then that means the majority aren't here to work or study ? Why are students bringing their families ? Makes no sense
This is so sad. Seeing UK's interests being highjacked by a bunch of corrupted politicians who adhere to an ideology more than logic. We live the same tragedy in Canada.
Uk politics has no ideology at the moment - because no party has a vision for the future. No vision - no ideology - just rhetorics with zero problems/ challenges solved.
Africans can come to the countries of Eastern Europe, to the countries of Intermarium, in these countries there is a good climate, there are forests, space, it is clean and safe, lower costs of living such as food, water, sewage, sewage, electricity, than those in Western Europe, in the countries of Eastern Europe There are industrial and processing plants in Intermarium.
I mean, as someone who is currently trying to get my girlfriend a working visa in the UK... It is nearly impossible: we haven't lived together for 2 years, so can't get partners visa; she is a lawyer, and can't even apply to get a work visa, as there are none in our area without switching to NHS... The only route is forcing us into marriage, which is a scary step for a long-term relationship, but there is no other way for us to live together and her get a job
@@SaintGerbilUK you sir have not seen the state of those hotels and the conditions they are kept in. I believe the last investigations into the conditions of these facilities had the words "inhumane" and "abuse" plaster on it 15 times... I would not subject anyone to that This is the living embodiment of a daily mail headline
What politicians don't understand about right wingers issue on immigration is that a lot of it comes down to the culture and integration. If we aren't getting as much immigration from EU countries anymore we'll get immigration from less desirable cultures that may not integrate as well into the UK which is ironic because of a lot of those people stupidly voted brexit...
Major parties have no intention of solving the economic, social and cultural problems that are leading to low birth rates, 1 in 6 working age people being ‘economically inactive’ (conveniently excluded from unemployment figures) and piss poor capex. They’re also unwilling to tell the public that they’ve made decades of unaffordable, short-sighted promises to buy their votes. The only solution they have is to import vast quantities of labour, and call anyone who questions the rationale or feasibility of this plan an ‘-ist’ or a ‘-phobe.’ Nothing will change until it gets even worse.
Why should someone not looking for a job be called unemployed? Fact they publish employed / economically active data means isn't hidden. You've not done secret squirrel research to arrive at your opinion.
It will be interesting to see what is in the Labour manifesto on the subject of immigration. It's one of the main areas of interest for voters but I haven't seen how Labour plan to tackle the issue.
When a group of people want to shift blame, they find the most despised thing everybody hates and makes sure all eyes are focused on that. Why? It's easier to band against a common enemy (who's separate from us) than to sniff out the traitor among us. As for the people who believe this "immigration" or "net migration" lullaby is the reason why the Tories will lose the election, ask yourself these 2 questions: 1. Was life getting better or worse before this net migration hysteria that the Tories are desperate to shove down your throats? 2. Who's truly benefited from this migration thing the most? - I mean, migrants are probably living better lives than where they left, however, how much did the government make off this scheme? Closing thoughts: If increasing/high net migration is a net negative, there are other parts of the British economy (or new economies that can be created within the UK) which could use that sweet cheap labour to turn this thing around for the Brits. If y'all can't see this already, I feel worse for the migrants going there to study.
Yea but that was for janitorial services that the unemployed could do in the country already so cutting it would help. If it was a skilled profession you would have a point. Probably have a commitment to the children of your country before you can be concerned about others.
I'm not British, but I firmly believe that if you want to immigrate to a nation, that is completely fine, this world was made for humans to live, BUT in the condition that you obey that country's system and try your best to fully assimilate yourself to that country. This can include learning their language, appreciating and observing their culture, being able to mix with the people of that country, respecting their laws and most importantly proving oneself useful to the country (like doing a good job that country can appreciate). If you cannot respect the country which welcomes you with open arms and gives you citizenship or PR, then you should not be their in the first place and chose your own home country or the 200 other countries available on Earth, if doing simple things like this is so hard for you.
I'm a Brit and you should see how our immigrants assimilate abroad. Take Spain for eg. Go to Benidom or Malaga and see the so called "posh" Ghettos where the majority of those Boomers don't speak Spanish and behave like hooligans, just like they do here.
Most legal migrants do this anyways they have to prove that they have to do an English test (unless they are from an English colony), adequate salary, qualifications, accommodation and they pay an NHS surcharge. They can’t have a criminal record or they will be deported. If British people accept the migrants and make them feel included there would be less tension. If the government invests in its people that would reduce the need for migrants. Most care homes are filled with migrants, British people don’t want to take care of their old parents and some of these old people have no children anyway.
The reason they haven't fixed the issue is they don't actually think it is an issue. The general public on the other hand have to live with all the downsides of mass immigration.
@@JamesL42 WTF you on about 700,000 illegal immigrants? That's a bit over the total net figure of legal and illegal but most immigration is legal. its about 8% of those who are "illegal" a little over 50,000. Maybe we should ask the 500,000+ who left to stay here as well?
@@JamesL4250 000 is a lot . But to stay its effect the entire economy and the entire country. That doesn't make sense . It's just a scapegoat to have more votes .
1. Net contribution of skilled workers is positive. They pay good tax, involved in shortage workers list and also have far less rights in terms of benefits and using public fund. Its clearly written on visa, "No public funds". Also, every employer prioritize British/national first. 2. Students bring huge amount of money to pay for their course and they are also exploited as cheap labors. So, their net contribution is also positive. Both of these groups are mostly young. So, use less healthcare services and both of these group need to work. So, who is the problem in straining services and affecting economy. I don't know but its definitely not immigrants of these 2 groups..
Is it possible that at least some immigration is a good thing for the economy? That seems to run counter to the fear of immigration promoted by some politicians and the media.
Yes and no. It creates more GDP because the government is just spending money on the problem, but that hurts the economy since there's no tax money to help you when you need it.
The UK's total fertility rate is expected to fall to a record low of 1.42 this year. For non-immigrants mother, the number is in the 1.3 - 1.4 range. This shows that the "Little Britain" cannot support any more population.
'Little Britain' isn't producing any more children because neo-liberals: stripped back all welfare nets, stagnated wages and took away housing security for the vast majority of young people. I know countless young couples that want children but are refraining due to expenses. So much for 'patriotic' Tories who have locked their very own citizens out of reproducing - they're crony capitalist criminals who veil themselves in a union jack; not patriots.
I'm not understanding, isn't it the opposite? Immigrants tend to have larger birth rates. The UK needs to match the replacement rate for sustainability
@SASMADBRUV7 I think that's one of the main immigrants for those who oppose immigration that immigrants have larger fertility rates, so that makes big demographic changes.
@@SASMADBRUV7 The birth rate for immigrants is higher than that for non-immigrants, but the gap is narrowing over the years. This means that if a person moves from a developing country to a developed country and gets used to life in the developed country, they will no longer have children, regardless of their country of origin. And Britain's birth rate has fallen faster than in many other developed countries over the past decade. Isn't southern England becoming overcrowded due to rapid population growth due to immigration, making it difficult to have children? Although France maintains a higher birth rate than the UK, its population is not growing as rapidly and its population concentration in metropolitan areas is not as extreme.
Brexit for the people was all about immigration. For the the elite it was all about less rules (for them), free money, and cheap labor.
And the irony is, that immigration went up post-Brexit and the UK traded EU immigrants for Middle Eastern and African immigrants who will work for cheaper but make no effort to integrate. Their annoyance about Polish and Romanian lorry drivers got them overrun by migrants who are incompatible with European culture.
@@mrvwbug4423And to add to it Niger have repealed Law 36-2015, meaning the flow of migration will inevitably increase towards Europe.
Brexit was about the UK having more secure borders, not having free movement, & not having another large entity tell the UK what to do & who it can trade with etc. It wasn't all about immigration. Anybody with half a brain could tell you that & would know that as soon as brexit happened it would be easier for non EU people to migrate b/c there would be tons of labour shortages which there is now (957,000 job vaccancies)
@@mrvwbug4423 oh shut the hell up. Migrants from non EU countries are overwhelmingly skilled workers in areas that are in need & most work for similar salaries as the average Brit. Plus we'll integrate a whole lot better than most EU migrants since the vast majority of us speak English & are coming from former colonies. Just say you prefer white immigrants & stop the long talking.
@@Lando-kx6sooh it was, was it? How's that working out?
Sunak doesn’t want our fellow Europeans working and living here, but he is desperate for a trade deal with India which will mean mass immigration from that country.
Immigration hasn't been "fixed" in any European country with an anti-immigration party in government. Why would it? It's more useful to conservatives as an existential threat to get votes through rather than as a problem to be addressed.
What are you suggesting here? That liberal parties are better in that regard?
@@amsluNeither are because both are subject to the needs of globalized capitalism.
@@amsluI think he's suggesting that neither care and one just uses it as a fake talking point. Simply forget about it because no one wants to "fix" ot
@@amslu Well under labour at least they got processed and into work, contributing and paying taxes.
Better that Millions per day on hotels.
They focus on small boats, even though they account for less than 1% of non-EU immigration. This country is a circus of clowns.
“Could cost them”?! What planet are you on? It has already cost them the next election. They have been absolutely shocking.
it's going to be interesting to see what the next party does, considering that the Government removed the Fixed-term Parliament Act, which unless the House wants to kick them out, they'll remain in power for years
@@AdyMaunderIt tends to be every 4/5 years, even before the act came into being. There would be a huge scandal if they don't leave after the fifth year
That’s what I was thinking
I don't think it is the immigration issue (particularly as it is being framed by the Government) that has costed them the election...
@@tecwynjones6532 huge scandal lol UK is a place where people keep there heads downs and mouths shut
Imagine expecting a party that is funded by big corporate money to fix immigration. It's not like capitalists would suddenly stop benefiting from cheap labor force.
Spot on
This is exactly it. They are exploiting cheap foreign labour and this is why it will never get fixed and the media who is funded by them corporations attacks any effort to fix it.
American alert.
Add to this the xenophobic actions of a minority and thus tainting the subject all part of the plan. It should be clear that the issue is with the system, not the individual.
@ajama1335 the system... that has imported millions of Muslims and other immigrants for benefit of the rich?
That system?
One key component of this issue is that if we have 700,000 people coming into the country each year... Well, they could all be angels, but are we building 700,000 new houses? Are we building *ANY* new infrastructure?
Given there doesn't seem like any political will to reduce new migration to 'sustainable' levels (whatever those levels are), and so large net migration seems like a definite in the medium term, we need to look at stuff like this. Labour seem to have some semblance of a plan, streamlining planning permission and even building new towns. The Tories on the other hand... Well, let's not talk about them. I'd rather not breach youtube's community standards.
UK can’t even build a proper high speed railway mate. Ain’t no way infrastructure is improving. We’ll all be moving up and down the UK like the Flintstones soon.
Those who came to join family can live at their cousin/children/uncles houses. Those who came as students can share a room. Some culture live more often live in multi-generational households. All to say that you don't need 700000 homes for 700000 migrants. Sadly the Polish house builders aren't present anymore.
Partially agree. Build more social housing - say 2 and 3 bedroom - but not big houses for wealthy people to rattle around in. Also, we need a way to stop wealthy people buying up property and then renting it out at excorbiaant rents.
@@pauladam2867right but what about 200,000 new houses? Or 350,000? Or just 100,000?
@@Kidderman2210 Build enough houses and they wouldn't be able to demand exorbitant rents since people would simply rent from someone else.
It's called blame shifting. Thats all they do.
I believe basically every single domestic issue under the sun is costing the Tories the election, not just immigration lol
"The Tories were doing everything right and everyone was happy in the UK with the way they were Governing...If they could have just stopped the small boats, they would have won the next election" - No one, ever.
I was gonna say that: why just immigration. I believe once Labor returns it will remain in government for more than a decade
@@edsr164 don't get your hopes up... Labour's famous for imploding and crumbing with infighting for no reason whatsoever
labour aren't any better, both have the same rules for immigration. reform will gain a stronghold, taking both labour and tory seats.
@@9n3- lmao yeah sure, Reform taking Labour seats. And the Greens will take Tory seats, right? They'll be lucky if they even grab a seat
Short answer: Conservatives don’t want to solve it because they benefit from it. It’s a business model.
If it's proving Healthcare workers and helping Britain's status as a centre for education, why stop? That's nothing but good.
doctors are Indian mostly, not muslim. people don't like muslims, I've never heard anyone say stop Indians, muslims however.@@sidarthsubramanian7480
@@sidarthsubramanian7480 The bigger pictures that as a whole migration can be good depending on skill set, and religion. Some groups it is very different and costs billions and counting.
It's almost as though starving the NHS of funding over the last 15 years was an awful idea...
The NHS is doing fine
The NHS is a bottomless money pit.
@@taffyterrierstill cheaper per person than other advanced economies’ expenditure on healthcare.
@@dex6316 Tell that to the undiagnosed cancer patients on waiting lists
The NHS has got more and more funding every year. The tories have poured millions into the NHS. under Blair we spent 26% of the budget on the NHS, this rose to 35% under Sunak. The problem is our ageing population. More and more people need healthcare as our population gets older and older, drawing in resources. That’s why as money has been poured in the service hasn’t got it better it’s just being trying to maintain the same levels. This is worrying trend predictions think we will be spending 42% of the government budget on healthcare by 2040 because our ageing population.
Sunak wants more of his family here
I'd be interested in knowing why they had to revise their figure and why can they be trusted to not again need to revise their figures upwards in the future. They're claiming immigration has fallen, but I have no way of knowing they won't revise this year's figure up in a year's time.
It's very easy to understand. Because the following year figures were at 675,000 so by actually being honest that the previous years figure wasn't 600,000 but 745,000 they can say they reduced the number. But your right. They can't be trusted.
Not trying to be cruel, but ffs we DON'T have any room left on our tiny ISLAND
We don’t have any room left for foreign sh*t in our sewers.
This will get a lot worse.
@@abdell75roussos😂😂😂😂😂😂
A lot of British people are ignorant as to how the country works. If the immigration route is via legal terms then why complain when it’s boosting the economy? It’s the same reason why brexit happened & now the prime minister is scrambling around the globe looking for trade deals. All I hear is people complaining but not offering any practical solutions
1200 GBP for nursery fee per child. 2400 for 2. Sort out your demographic policies UK. As usual you're firefighting the shadow of a pile of ash instead of preventing the fire itself.
Best comment I’ve seen here, the government is allowing mass immigration because there are not enough people here nursery bills are very high and healthcare pay is average. Young british people want to study sociology, history, music and geography not nursing and medicine!
And to think, the UK feared Polish migrants 20 years ago… be careful what you wish for.
so I'm not from the UK, but I find it very annoying that I can't leverage my high qualifications to working in the UK because I need an employer visa sponsorship, but if I wanted to do a 1-year masters, they'd give me a 5-year visa no sweat. If you're gonna slam the door, just slam the door like the US does - either hit the 1-in-35 green card lottery or f*ck off.
u have no idea what yr talking about. Its 2 years and time spent on it doesn't count towards the 5yr ILR path 🤡
which means you'll eventually need a sponsor if you want PR.
Also, whys it annoying ? UK sponsors aren't impossible to obtain. The US system is dogshit, just look at their current boarder crisis.
@@pants10000 It appears you're correct on the 2 year part. With that being said, I never said that I wouldn't need an eventual employer-side extension and never referenced ILR either. It was to highlight the fact that I can't break in (and I barely get rounds) because employers won't spot you a visa, but as soon as I have a visa and reside in the UK; all of a sudden every employer under the sun would be interested. And I find that very frustrating to deal with.
If you have skills that employers need then there will be an employer who will apply for a work visa for you.
I don't know what you have but considering how laughably poor someone in my work is and he got over here, I'd be surprised if there isn't a way.
I don't know about that. I just completed my masters and the visa was 1 year. I am also highly skilled and left a high paying job at the time to do my masters because I'm preparing for upward movements in my career.
Under the Freedom of movement allowed under our EU membership workers came here, worked, then went home. Now we need immigrants to do that work.
thats why non EU immigration is hugely up this was always going to be the knock on effect of trying to find new trading partners. With irony being no new trading partners have been found.
The honest truth is immigration is NOT the cause of most issues in the U.K.
Majority of migrants come into the UK legally. And most of those are either skilled workers - doctors, nurses etc. - or students who spend tens of thousands of pounds in the economy.
Immigration has been used by the Tories as a distraction from their horrific policies which have led to absurd waiting times at hospitals, dilapidating school buildings and the lowest economic growth in the G7.
The sooner the British government stops going on about immigration and starts formulating feasible policies, the better off it’s citizens will be.
@hfbk858...200% true but alot these race obsessed Britsh ethno-nationalist complainers don't like to see the failing aspects of the conservative party for a decade. Its easy to blame ''immigrants and migration policy'' because these people have low self esteem and the only thing that makes them feel ''better'' is the false feeling of superiorty over migrants.
600,000 net is a problem, regardless of how skilled.
@@Jim90117 No it’s not. The reason why immigration is needed is to fill the skill shortages caused by austerity. The Tories gutted public services and took the country out of the EU, which led to severe staff shortages that now have to be filled with overseas labour.
Immigrants pay an immigration health surcharge for everyone including their dependents. Immigrants do a lot of jobs that Brits don’t want to do. Most of them aren’t free loaders like the Tories would like you to believe.
If the Government funds and reforms public services and invests in training Brits to address the labour shortages then the U.K. will be less dependent on migration.
However, this will take time to do.Until then, the U.K. needs immigrants and also needs to realise that they’re not the cause of their issues. Inconsistent and counterproductive government policies are.
Migration Watch forecast Britain’s population would rise to between 83 million and 87 million by 2046 if net migration continued at the present
They also have other figure you might not like.
Tax payers Alliance has more facts you might not like too.
I do however wish you were right, and plenty of good people do come ofcourse. Brexit was bad, as many felt unwelcome, and left for home. Also the rest of Europe wants it to fail, and tries to make sure it does.
@@hfbk858 Tax payers Alliance, and Migrant Watch tell another fully story.
Ive recently retired from the NHS. What these visas dont show is staff coming to work in the NHS. Bring their families and they get housing above home grown staff. Ive mentored these foreign nurses many deemed poorly qualified for the position they applied for. But the NHS just redeploys them to a less stressful area. So £1000s spent on recruitment but not always useful recruitment and they dont always fill the skills issue Im sick of hearing foreigners keep the NHS going. Foreigners dont British NHS staff are the back bone of the NHS.
Encouraging more Brits to become doctors and healthcare workers by providing free education, better pay and removing the cap would certainly help!!
The dispute with the doctors regarding pay has been ongoing for over a year with no solution in sight. The tories don’t care.
as a medical student, I can tell from personal experience they don't just need to encourage more locals to be healthcare workers, they need to build the infrastructures (more hospitals) to accomodate the training. The hospitals are getting stretched with the increasing number of medical students requiring placements. On top of that, there is a bottle neck for jobs between junior doctors and specialisation training positions, which need to be expanded (not enough specialist positions to ratio of junior doctors finishing foundation training). What is the point if we don't have jobs to progress to after training for 5 years in medical school and 2 years in foundation.
Yeah.. it's immigration is going to cost the Tories the election, not the cuts to policing, education, local councils, pot holes in the roads, an NHS on it's knees, rent, mortgages, food and energy all through the roof, and the poorest 20% in the UK are now poorer than the poorest 20% in Poland! Student doctors and nurses forced to use food banks, food bank usage at it's highest point ever in history, tripling of the national debt, the enormous asset transfer from the working and middle class to the super rich. Yeah it's immigration that will finish them off...
This happens because there is a big difference between real problems and perceived problems. However, I see that many Brexit supporters still blame Europe for their crisis, essentially they don't want to take anything back.
That's Sunak for you, looting every dime he can before the Uk collapses
Could that perhaps be because there is some sort of underlying demographic problem? And that problen also drives the need for migration?
That's because immigration cost's the Taxpayer a fortune all for funding corporation's lower wage's . Basic economics More people mean's you have less to go round .
Brexit
The tories successfully convinced me (German/American) to leave the country, so I suppose they're successful there.
To be fair, they have done a good job making it less attractive to come here. Why move from one hellscape to another?
Tell me you’re privileged without telling me you’re privileged. Whatever loathing you feel about the Uk it’s still an incredibly better place to live in for them.
@@scarletcrusade77 It's a joke mate you're allowed to not be deadly serious with every statement you make
@@scarletcrusade77 I am a recent immigrant and I approve your message.
@@scarletcrusade77yes and won’t be if we keep getting more and more people in.
This is not sustainable in the middle of a housing crisis
It's effing *causing* the housing crisis.
@@Bushflarethere are currently 1.5 million empty homes in the UK between 250,000 and 600,000 of which have been vacant for years.
Immigration isn't the issue it's land lords running wild charging exorbitant prices and a lack of a livable wage even the "living wage" is too low for many people
@@Skuldug
You realise 1.5 million empty homes wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't inflated our population to the point of 10 million foreign-born people, right? That's just the first-generation immigrants. More than 10% of our population.
We shouldn't look at continually consuming our countryside as a solution to housing millions upon millions of people who didn't have to be here in the first place, nor would the empty homes be affecting the housing prices if demand wasn't artificially inflated by the constant influx of hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year.
And if you think the living wage is a bastard then maybe throw workers a bone by not artificially inflating the job market with foreign-born competition undercutting the native workers who won't work for slave-wages.
You're all Momentum talking points, man. Think for yourself about the actual situation.
@@Bushflare cool story
I get you don't like immigrants, how about you put that energy towards the money and resource stealing elites who are actually causing the problems instead of families just trying to make the best lives for their children
Well I'll tell you one thing, the Tories have certainly made the UK a less desirable migration option for me. I'd much rather go live somewhere nice.
Good news
Yeah, even as a tourist (or to visit people I know), I don't think going to the UK is a good option now.
And listen, my country almost became "conservativized" in the tory style too this year (no spexit included), but that bullet is dodged, so most of the reasons why I wouldn't leave to the UK remain. The british economy is not doing that well (specially because of the prices, rich people are overpricing products there even more than here). The people who question other's existence the most lost votes actually, so we are avoiding the TERF and the general anti-trans wave for now. Public healthcare is surprisingly more effective here. I'd need to carefully check the immigration laws to go. Too many people really like the monarchy, instead of having the apathetic and conformist attitude that I'm more used to. Housing is somehow even worse there (wow). Our politicians at least try to hide their involvement in human right violations, like the massacre in the border of Melilla, instead of putting them upfront, like that Rwanda bs or the boat prision… and I could go one.
And I'm gonna be clear. I'm saying the country that contributed the most on how I became an anarchist, out of opposition to lots of things going on, has better living conditions for me than the UK.
@@MrTHF Don't be so sure you dodged that bullet, that is a very fragile coalition. A snap election would probably produce a government where Vox is making all the domestic policy. And Vox basically wants a de facto Spanish Inquisition for the 21st century, erasing anyone who isn't a rabidly fanatical Catholic that only speaks Castillian Spanish. Sanchez is trying to make peace with the Catalan separatist movement both for his own ends (to form a government) and to try to put the issue to bed so the other separatist movements in Spain don't start new unrest. Remember, Catalonia and the Basque never agreed to be part of Spain, they were forced to at gunpoint by Franco.
As someone who lives here, it is a shit-hole. And people are happy for it to get worse, to the point where succumbing to total austerity is great, so long as they don't see any foreigners on the street. You can probably tell from the first reply to your comment.
@@SK-hq6ux So according to your logic seeing no "foreigners on the street" is going to make the UK worse? I disagree, however it's really the foreigners in parliament that need to be gotten rid of if the UK is going to stand any chance of improving. And if you don't like it here you can always leave...
Why do the UK citizens not complain more about the waste being dumped in their rivers?
We do
We would be labelled racist.
Part of the issue is that the UK has an ageing population and a shortage of engineers, doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, police, prison officers, soldiers, construction workers - as well as a shortage of care workers for the increasing number of the elderly.
Thank you
We're going to have a shortage of care workers for as long as care work is treat as a for-profit industry. Until wages are actually worth the work, those numbers will stay low
Sick of seeing 'Senior' roles offering £11 an hour - with no mileage payments or car inusrance contributions- in exchange for 3 years experience. Ridiculous industry practices
Most of that is not true. The part about aging population is. But there is not a shortage or people to do those jobs at all except maybe doctors. The rest they want to exploit cheap foreign labour and undercut the British workers.
@@cyber_rachel7427the reason wages are low is because they are exploiting cheap foreign labour. Why pay a British person the proper wage to do the job when you can pay someone from a third world country to do it? This is what it's all about and why the problem will never get fixed.
If we have a shortage of those things why are they all so low paid and why did I have to move to Dubai to find work as an engineer?
If the Tories really wanted to reduce immigration in the long term, they should follow Liz Truss handbook:
- wreak the economy
- remove personal rights, not all just most of them
- reduce scope, amount and quality of services for citizens , after all there are less taxes to pay for it
- remove any higher education economic contribution of the government to increase student fees while hopefully reducing quality (Liz didn't reach this point)
As an added benefit this should also increase emigration, so net migration will be even lower.
In a couple of decades migration might be reduced to a few thousands people. Not sure the other citizens will appreciate the new situation more. /s
They might pull this off without intention
Ahh, yes, the 'American' model of governance.
public services are always bad everywhere, the private sector always outperforms the public sector on average in every country, less tax is always a net gain for citizens.
Student fees are the only thing you shouldn’t cut back on but the rest is true.
The system was made for a growing or at least a stable population.
With the current birthrates this is impossible to maintain
they have to go back
Immigration is good for the economy. Look at California
@@GroudonsGame people coming looking for jobs is not the same as who is entering the uk on those boats.for example the Dublin child slasher never had a job.
@@GroudonsGame California has the largest number of homeless in the US. It has the highest Taxes in the US. It has the highest wealth inequality in the US. Highest rents/house prices in the US. Hollywood might look all glitz and glamour but much of Claifornia is horrible. Trust me, ive seen it. Homeless camps and people living like animals on the streets. It's not liek you see on TV. Many people in California live worse than in the 3rd world. It's got so bad, that record numbers are leaving the state and moving to places liek Texas or Arizona etc.
@@GroudonsGame Ahahaha awful example, California is a hellhole
@@GroudonsGameWell being a tinpot country works too, just look how pretty Dubai is, maybe don't smell it with the poop trucks though!
I beg to differ. The tories have been very successful in making the UK a less appealing place to live...
"The Tories made reducing immigration a top priority" -- No, TLDR; they merely "said" that they made reducing immigration a top priority. In reality, they tripled the amount of people coming into the country that came in under Tony Blair, and Tony Blair in turn brought in more migrants in his tenure than the past 1000 years combined. Really makes you think.
I hope the reckoning comes for this soon because the longer we wait the uglier it's going to get and I just hope the crossfire people will be getting caught in is metaphorical.
You're still talking about immigration as if it's a bad thing. Did you not see the main part of the video, where it said that 99% of immigration is helpful and contributing to the UK economy..?
@@geoffdavids7647
Oh well if it's good for the *economy* then I don't know why people are opposed to it at all. Because wage stagnation, plummeting social cohesion, overcrowding infrastructure, unaffordable housing, shrinking green belt, and rising ethnic consciousness amongst native Britons are all fine prices to pay for 'helping the economy'.
Mate, stop thinking like the Tories want you to think. You can't measure the impact of every problem in GDP.
@@geoffdavids7647 Oh great, numbers go up, therefore so should my salary, right? ...right? Oh.
@@adam7802 Is that a migration problem or an economic system problem? The idea that job competition drives salary hikes is not really a reality, especially not for people at the bottom and middle rungs of society. The issue is wealth concentration. The UK economy is largely centralised to London. Various industries are suffering under investment, on top of which, Thatcherite economics (similar to Reaganite economics) sold off most of the UK's resources to foreign owners, so money at the top tier of the country is leaving the country. What nationals need to focus on is regaining some form of control over resources and diversifying economic strategies that serve the entire population and not just London.
Immigration will be the reason the younger generation will never beable to afford a house. there are a decently sized group of people who don't see themselves as British and keep trying to make britian a different country. and taking about it has become a crime. like, I want britian to be the best britian it can be, by solve issues and not burning it down
But we can't say that because it will hurt people's feelings.
Proponents of free market capitalism complaining about an unregulated global labour market never cease to amaze me.
And this is at the crux of it all.
Low immigration and free market neo-liberal 'Conservativism' are incompatible with one another; one stems from roots of protectionism, the other, globalisation; I can't believe that some people, meaning the vast majority, still don't understand this.
Who tf is arguing for absolute free market capitalism? The sentiment is generally that people want the government to minimise regulation which leads to the stifling of small businesses and the perpetuation of monopolies. You rarely meet someone who says "There is no place for regulation within the market."
'Free Market' is just a principle like 'Open Borders'. Even open borders advocates aren't arguing for Isis to be welcome or whatever, they just want borders to be *more* open like people want the market to be *more* free.
I don’t think any 1 individual subscribes to rigid ideology that never changes or moves depending the circumstances currently.
@@scarletcrusade77 You’d be surprised
@@scarletcrusade77Absolutely, rather everyone is a hypocrite large or small with their political and social views
Is there a reason why we can't create a special temporary passport system? i.e. give refugees certain rights but no citizenship. The system would allow them to stay in the UK but must return to their country once the war/conflict is over. While they are here they can access to some health and social benefits but are not allowed to do other things like own assets or properties etc. Of course, while they are here they can try to gain full citizenship by learning a skill that is needed in the UK or by joining the military. Any crime committed would not result in prison but instead immediate deportation.
That's the idea behind a student visa, you come you study and you leave. But the pro mass immigration crowd get them to bring their family, and then claim well they've settled in the UK now and should be allowed to stay and have rights to remain and repeat infinitely
Something like that does exist. It's called Humanitarian Leave to Remain. The trouble is that most people with a valid asylum claim have no clear end date for when they will no longer be in danger back home, if ever. It's not just wars they're fleeing, it's things like political persecution, forced marriage, trafficking, blood feuds.
@@kcmurdarasi sure but there are some which have end dates like the Libyan civil war being over for 3 years now.
Yet how many people sent back? It's 0 isn't it.
most people will never return becos quality of life is better here regardless of wars
@@starlightgirl8863 exactly, why would you want to go back and rebuild your country when you can live off the tax payer in ours.
Wait... we have more than the total population of Manchester in net migration every year? No wonder house prices are so high.
"House" - is the problem. Build tall not wide. 5 bedroom 80sqm Chicken Incubators. Ever wondered why estate websites like rightmove, zoopla don't have a filter by SQM ? Find me another country in the world that doesn't value by SQM. You're digging in the wrong direction.
@@kevinh4869 comparing immigrants coming in for work to an empire which argubly commmited worse crimes than nazis and killed more people than the population of the UK ten fold is mad
@@kevinh4869 israel
@@kevinh4869it’s not race replacement. The U.K. is still 85% British.
Prices are high because the Tories stopped building Council Houses in 1980. The level of Private House building has stayed the same.
We have this collective delusion that we're not dependent on mass immigration to do the work the vast majority of the native population can't or won't do, instead of investing in education, training and apprenticeships we keep poaching cheap skilled labour from overseas, without which, the economy would implode (and the tories know it) and then throw our hands up in despair at immigration data, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious
Correct. Its important to be competitive. If the local population can do the work there would be no need for foreign workers.
Here's a thought then. Dramatically cut immigration, sponsor education, and allow wages to rise to a place where people not willing to live in abject poverty would be fine taking them. Alternatively slash welfare massively and force people to take jobs instead of living on handouts.
The short-term would be rocky but the long term is a fix we need to make before the country becomes unrecognisable.
I imagine most people don’t want to do the missing jobs as they don’t pay much and are fairly gruelling to do. If they payed a bit more or you couldn’t get a similar amount of money from benefits then maybe more natives would do them.
Funny how these jobs were native by natives 30 years ago?
Just a way for business to suppress wages and raise property prices
@@Bushflare No- because the UK, like the rest of Europe, has had a falling birth rate and an ageing population for at least 20 years. There are simply not enough young people in the UK. Look around you - how many young couples do you know who have had more than 2 children? Factor in that many people do not have any children at all, then its clear the birth rate has been below 2 for many years. Biological maths, not Politics. The same is happening all over Europe. The population of Italy is actually shrinking by a quarter of a million a year, despite the right-wing government promising to reduce immigration.
I think it could easily be said that immigration is likely costing any government in the west currently. No one is saying "diversity is our strength" or "multiculturalism" is good any more. That has clearly been proven a false narrative. Anyone that questions that go look at the facts, any charts that show a spike in migration also shows a spike of crime, lowering of standard of living and cultural friction. Emotion is all well and good, but being emotional about a topic doesn't change the facts. Those facts have been hidden by the media and government for years, but soon that won't be enough.
At the same times, they show spikes in poverty, low disposable income too, it's hard to differentiate what it can be.
Our unelected pm needs to call an election now. Enough is enough. He is hanging around no.10 like a bad smell, waiting for something advantageous to come up. That ain't going to happen. We can see through this shower.
No one will call an election in winter...
There will be an election in about 6 moths which is already known..
He was elected, because we elected his party in 2019. It's up to them who leads them.
@lukefleetwood7958 I understand its the parliamentary democracy. However, they played this game last year and lumbered this country with liz truss. A general election should of been called when she got chased out of no.10. They are finished, let us decide.
No, the current system works. They were elected until the next general election in 2024. Who or however many leaders they have in-between is up to them, but it will all contribute to damaging their next election campaign, so they will be punished. Having an election every crisis is irresponsible and defeats the sanctity of the electoral system. @@alzo1sgood
They had 13 years and still unsolved. Lmao.
Dude, you immediately conflate immigrants with asylum seekers. Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to point out there's a difference between:
1) legal immigrants
2) illegal immigrants
3) war refugees
4) asylum seekers
These four categories are VERY different things. Mainstream media, activists, and "educators" are always lecturing us peasants that the world is not black & white, that everything is a nuanced shade of gray, and yet they also insist on COLLAPSING category differences whenever it suits them.
Ask your 70+ neighbour which of these classes he voted against during Brexit vote. He used the difference in race, colour and culture gauged by his 2 eyes. He doesn't care of your provenance. Its binary -> Brit / Not Brit. None of brexit voters care of the legality of your immigration status.
But I guess all those groups of people are part of that net migration number that people are talking about
Cool but there's too many of (1), too many of (2), most who we're told are (3) are not, and anyone not fleeing French persecution is heavily abusing the title of (4) to a degree it's turning the public off the idea of giving asylum in the first place.
So the nuance doesn't really matter when all 4 categories are overrun with problems people want fixed.
@@Bushflare
You realize a lot of these populist leaders speak out loudly about reducing 1) but then still quietly invite them in, right?
Because while anti-immigrant talk SOUNDS good for election purposes, these European countries need the labor
@@coyotelong4349
Who's talking about leaders here? We're only in this mess to begin with because everyone KNOWS the political class has destroyed the social cohesion of the country for their own gain. Sure we need labour but we need our cultures too and there's a reckoning coming for sacrificing the one in favour of cheaply increasing the other and the sooner it happens the less ugly it's going to get.
I'm a 3rd generation immigrant and I gotta tell you I'm not fond of these people forcing Europeans to reawaken their ethnic consciousnesses because sooner or later I'm gonna be the outsider and watching people sleepwalk my country into that is dreadful to watch.
I dunno I think they’ve succeeded in making the uk less appealing
Clearly not
One does not know whats under UK's fake carpet until he actually starts living here. UK is very good at making false claims, impressions and propaganda, whilst concealing its true ugly face.
@@danielwebb8402 Less appealing to legal immigrants, illegal immigrants escaping stuff will go anywhere. There is a large Syrian population in Somalia at the moment.
They've certainly succeeded in making the process more confusing, cumbersome, and annoying
The culture of the UK will have changed dramatically in ten years and be unrecognisable in twenty.
how will the culture of the UK change?
Chickens are coming home to rust
@@mistermood4164more open air markets and flip flops
Don't worry, a pint of guiness and beans on toast aren't going anywhere
It's quite simple: the numbers need to come down considerably. The reason the politicians are stalling on this is because those arriving won't be after their jobs. The reason the professional managerial class support this is for the same reason, or a misguided "Be kiNd!" attitude. And the reason the companies support this is because they can get cheaper labour, more unlikely to make a fuss about their working rights or wage rises.
What's happening in Ireland - regarding the "hate speech" legislation - is very worrying. The politicians know the bigger problem (housing and jobs) needs to be fixed, but instead they are placing the blame on the citizens rightly worried and anxious about the impact of migration, as a way to deflect responsibility. Talk about victim blaming and manipulation. THEY are fuelling the fire and discord, and they have the brass neck to blame people for getting frustrated.
This is entirely an issue that has been generated by the current government. Before Brexit the numbers were far lower and anyone who came over on one of these boats could be sent back to the continent. However, due to the slap-dash way the whole Brexit process was handled the agreements that had previously allowed the government to remove such immigrants back became null and void.
They still can be if a French person breaks into the country, we deport them or at least we did.
The problem is that each country has stopped deporting even failed asylum claims.
Part of the problem is that in theory the government could have returned people back to Europe before Brexit but in reality they didn't use these powers. Brexit was brought about by the arrogance of the Blair and then Cameron Government.
Make all illegal immigrants for their accommodation and food until their asylum application is processed... If the application is rejected then make them pay for their flight back to their country of origin. Also while their asylum application is being processed make them work in closed labour camps at half of minimum wage and deduct social care charges too in order to care for minors.
It's just that simple to curb illegal immigration.
Several inquiries arise: How do we determine the appropriate country to repatriate individuals lacking identification to avoid such occurrences? What course of action is taken when they lack the financial means to cover their return flight? In instances where they are unable to afford it, the responsibility falls on us-what are the associated costs? The latter part of the statement raises a significant question: are we comfortable with inadvertently perpetuating modern slavery? Lastly, is it pragmatic to allocate resources for repatriation when the outcome constitutes only 1%, especially when the expenses incurred far surpass the alternative of disregarding the issue altogether?
Long term Migration to th UK was 1.2 million in 2022
While emigration from UK was 557,000
800,000 of those migrants did not have any Visa.
This video has pretty graphs and a long dicussion about the 160,000 valid Visa holders.
Its not about Visas, its about illegal migration.
My Too Long newspaper just arrived! You guys did a great job
The UK was never in Schengen, and despite what was spread by AI-generated ads on Facebook, Turkey would never join the EU. (Brexit was pointless.) Tories never wanted to control immigration; illegal immigration should be a separate discussion.Have great one ,it's freezing 🥶
They are coming from Africa.
The small boats may account for a tiny number but they have the most coverage.
@chrismason6857....No they come from Asia not Africa. India and China are the largest group.
Cap immigration to the same number that emigrate. Essentially a net zero policy.
Those with the highest number of points are prioritised entry. Points are deducted per dependent you want to bring with you.
Meanwhile reduce the number of Brits going to university and encourage those who don't go to get jobs in hospitality, care, farm work etc.
To reduce the number of Brits going to university, you would have to sustainably offer higher wages and decentralised economic activity, while also continuing to provide the sevices on which Britons rely. Brits, just like most populations of any developed nation, want a career that gives them upward mobility. Humans operate on incentive, all that needs to be done is incentivising skills in areas such as farming, care etc.
@@joshryantt
I don't think anything needs to be done as such. If University subsidies are restricted to A grade students doing valuable courses then the rest will need to start a job or an apprenticeship. And many of those 18 year olds will naturally start in hospitality, manual labour or care roles. Those with natural talent will get vital work experience and end up working their way up the career ladder. Essentially replacing immigrants with 18 year old Brits suddenly needing a job because there are fewer uni places available
@@amb8274 I don't think that's a viable strategy, considering a high percentage of 18-30 year olds are already leaving Britain for better opportunities elsewhere, that will just serve to further alienate British young people from their country. Also, with the fact that skills based jobs such as software and digital branding can be accessed through certifications instead of a University degree.
This aged like a fine wine
Thanks for explaining the myths on migration. Remember, there's a difference between illegal and legal migration. People coming here to be doctors and contribute to the society need thanking by the British public.
|This ongoing issue will not be fixed by sunak.........ITS all part of his deal with indian premier modi following sunaks various meetings in india where it was decided that for india to agree a trade deal with the UK, the uk MUST allow free movement of indians into the UK.........
Thats why sunak cant or WONT tackle this issue.
I’m still trying to figure out why anybody wants to go to the UK when there are so many other places to go. I’ve been there many times and I enjoy a visit but I could never ever ever live there. To each their own I guess.
If you home country is dysfunctional enough and also formally British enough, the UK becauses quite appealing.
Benefits.
Benefits and they already speak English in Africa/ india
@@cfromnowhere Cameron should never have set the ball rolling by resettling 20,000 Syrians in the UK.
A pajet prime minister will not reduce the nb of pajet immigrants even though they make up the largest grp lmao
all this fearmongering around immigration would be funny if it wasn't so depressing. there's no "fix" to immigration. there's asylum seekers, who are legal migrants, there's a lot of other forms of legal immigration, and then there's that small subsection of people seeking immigration "illegally". most if not all "illegal immigrants" would seek legal migration were it an option.
Cool. But that comes with the preface that we're morally obligated to take any of them. We're not. We're morally obligated to take care of our own and any others who we allow into the country come in as a privilege, not a right. All these foreign dictates about these people from far-flung parts of the world deserving access to the UK are morally inept and are being abused to the overwhelming detriment of the native population of the UK.
The worst, laziest people from countries less morally developed than our own are being given for free what they should be working to deserve and it's destroying the cultural cohesion of the country.
you will be thrown out with them
@sdrawkcabUK general misunderstanding it ain’t about cheap labour the UK needs workers in general, there’s an ageing population, therefore a bunch of pensioners who need someone to push the economy so they get their pensions. Reducing immigration is literally just not an option at the moment
Also immigrants aren’t stealing jobs, the UK has an overemployment problem (rather than unemployment) meaning there is a lot of jobs people are not taking, this is also bad for the economy
Most thieves would not break into your house if you just gave them a free tv.
Cute.
Most immigrants are doctor and student? Sure of course!!
We ALL believe it!!!
You see the stats and are still in denial, the UK population is old and if you are actually involved in the public sector you’d see a lot of nurses and doctors are Polish, Indian and Nigerian. A lot of infantry soldiers are migrants too, there aren’t enough young white British people around.
Every time I hear them talk about small boats, I can't help but think of the Clarke and Dawe sketch on Australian immigration - "Stop the boats!" "How would you do that?" "I dunno, some kind of boat-stopping device presumably, I'm sure we've got one in the back somewhere..." etc.
Same thing we did against the spanish in 1588
Surely the UK and Australia have navies. Might as well put them to use.
Labour will not be able to fix immigration either. we are bound by international treaties. And when we try to deport cases are taken to the world court and it gets stopped so in reality until these loopholes and treaties are either rectified or withdrawn from completely no government will be able to reduce immigration.
So record numbers of people want to come to the UK to live, work and contribute to its economy since Brexit. Doesn't seem too bad to me!
Except it's a key cause of the cost of living crisis. Huge immigration drives down wages and squeezes the housing supply. And it's gotten much worse since Brexit, since EU immigrants were expecting to be paid EU wages while migrants from Africa are willing to do the same work for a lot less money. So that Nigerian lorry driver who replaced the Polish lorry driver who got kicked out after Brexit works for half the money
@@mrvwbug4423
Show me one place they’ve halved the wages because of commonwealth migration.
Yeah, mostly unqualified, low wage folks who won't be making much of a contribution to taxes. Meanwhile the highly qualified are running away because the UK taxes 40% or more even if you're earning slightly above the average. Big win!
At the end of the day immigrants equal new taxpayers to fund the pensions bill what we need is a more sophisticated and comprehensive system to screen and control it
NOT if they take more than they pay, why wouldnt they?
The take away message from your video is that we have 700,000 doctors and nurses arriving in the UK every year. Riiiiiiiiiiight..........
hello from greece
what a fumble, that one.
Net migration will drop anyway due to the banning of students from bringing over depenedents, visa costs going up all around, & it now being easier for Brits to leave & go to places like Australia, New Zealand, & Canada with working holiday visas. The next thing they can do is maybe increase the financial threshold for those coming on skilled worker visas & build more homes (which people have been screaming about for many years!). These changes would likely drop net migration down to 400k - 500k anyway & whenever the war in Ukraine ends or the number of Ukrainian refugees coming over drops significantly the Ukraine scheme can come to an end which would drop net migration further. Then another thing people need to remember, the UK currently has 957k job vaccancies, some very important areas like those in health & care in critical need of workers, & an aging population with a low birthrate so much of the population growth is from immigration which is heavily needed in this country.
What about the shortage occupation list it's most abused visa system introduced by homeoffice 1 person can get unlimited dependent
The UK is rapidly exporting its young people from what I've seen. I took a trip to BC, Canada this last summer and it was definitely living up to the British part of the name, heard almost as many British accents as Canadian and a fair few Aussies to boot. Canada is almost becoming a refuge for people from other English speaking countries, especially the UK and Australia, but even some Americans.
@@mrvwbug4423 it's not just UK, many Australians, Canadians, Americans, & Irish are here in the UK to. It's easier for people to travel & move around now so more people are going to places they prefer. Even I left the US to come here to the UK
@@farhantambe1929 no there is no unlimited dependents. Dependents are limited to just your spouse/partner & children under 18 & each dependent is expensive to bring over to the UK. Also the shortage occupation list exists b/c these are the occupations that are in dire need of workers & there aren't enough British citizens working in these occupations despite massive efforts in getting British workers into them. I believe they should increase the financial threshold to atleast minimum salary (£27k per annum) instead of having it be 20% below the medium salary
@@mrvwbug4423do you realise how many Indians have migrated to Canada lately? The very people you tend hate so much are doing quite well and highly integrated and assimilated to main Canadian society without causing any issues
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This doesn't seem to track logically. I don't have the exact numbers to nail this down precisely, but it appears to me as though the current visas for healthcare workers only induce longer NHS wait times. The entry of one healthcare worker into England will bolster the relevant industry yes, but the entry of that individual's family is more likely to introduce a burden on the NHS. Yes, not every migrant will bring a family, but many who do likely have a wife and many children.
The problem is not the number of immigrants. Immigration can be a good thing for the welcoming country (the NHS workers immigrants have a positive impact on the society), the problem is how do these immigrants integrate in the society, how are we welcoming them and how are we encouraging them to integrate
In my experience, Indian care-workers tend to integrate very well.
Some CANNOT integrate by their laws. Islam cannot intermarry for a start, and most want LGBT made illegal, or worse.
Islam is not secular either, and will become increasingly dominant. Also there is widespread belief in conspiracy theories against the west.
Muslticultualism fails as predicted unless separate opposing societies and waring factions is you goal.
EU immigration can be very good, and other cultures? Expect the demise of your country.
Could you have a reference list in the description, it would be very useful to get access to the facts and figures used.
Love that the UK is talking about getting a net migration rate that's like 1/4 of the current one Australia has, and Australia has a population less than 1/2 that of the UK.
Its British exceptionalism. Idiots in the UK genuinely believe the UK takes more migrants than any EU country, some are so stupid they think more than the EU.
Its talking points and propaganda, they blame others cause its the easiest way for them to deal with stuff their brain cannot handle
UK is the bad dancer that blames his balls for underperforming. As long as theres something to blame, UK will find excuses again and again and ag...
Australia is a vast continent with millions of square millions of Virgin land. It has a low population density in most places and can take on large numbers of immigrants if they build new housing/infrastructure to keep up. England is a small country on a small island, that is already heavily overpopulated in the South East, which is where most new immigrants move to. The comparison between England and Australia is a facetious one and you know it. Both nations have very different abilities to absorb mass migration.
@@salkoharper2908 you are an idiot if you think ‘most new immigrants’ come to the UK.
Use your brain and look up the basic migration statistics.
You are totally right about this. If anybody ought to complain about insanely high migration levels it's Australia, Canada or maybe Singapore. Yet British and European people somehow have this idea that those countries have sound immigration policies because it's... "legal migration"! They think that having to apply for a PR is a major deterrent while being themselves among the beneficiaries and don't realise that even legal immigration avenues result in the same outcomes.
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Can someone explain to me why if someone comes to study or work in the uk, they can bring a whole army of dependants along with them? I‘be seen this happening a lot and seems like a way of abusing the system, since only one individual (or sometimes 2) actually contributes at all to the economy.
Surely the more dependents someone has, the higher bar to arrival should be. I.e the agreed salary should be a multiple of the number of people arriving.
That does seem a bit ridiculous. You don’t generally take your family to university with you.
@@andybrice2711 i think because when they study here there is an intention to come and get a citizenship so they bring family to see how they would feel about it.
@@cfromnowhere Over 150,000 student dependants in one year sound like an awful lot though.
Either that suggests we're training a vast number of PhDs from all over the world. (Which I guess would be a positive thing.) Or the system is being abused.
@@cfromnowhere I think it's sensible to count overseas students as immigrants.
Population figures are generally calculated yearly. So I think it's logical that someone should be counted as a resident if they're expected to stay more than a year, and a visitor otherwise.
We'd expect overseas students to stay in a country for at least a few years. During which time they'll need housing and public services. Then, once they leave, they'll be counted as emigrants, and the net migration figures will balance out.
Whereas if you had hundreds of thousands of people living in a country but not counted as part of the population, that would quickly get very complicated, confusing, and contentious.
There is an agreed salary based on the dependents. So this isn’t really an issue, with the visas they have to prove their income to support the dependents and meet a salary threshold. Our visa scheme is actually detailed and people have to pay an NHS surcharge as well as for the visa whilst proving they have accommodation, adequate income, university enrolment etc. I believe the government wants a high number of immigrants because people are properly vetted for legal immigration.
Will you do an update video regarding the new 5-point plan announced intending to cut migration?
They need to train more nurses and doctors in the UK but they would ratehr exploit cheap foreign labour.
We already train too many doctors in the UK.
@@taffyterrier no we absolutely do not. The UK has far less doctors per 10,000 citizens than other comparable countries. And many of our doctors leave for Australia, NZ and Canada.
Pardon my ignorance but I thought foreign nurses and doctors get paid the same as ones with British nationality? How does the NHS (i.e. their largest employer) benefit from the "cheap" part?
@@hahahasanBecause the UK didn't pay for their education. The average educated doctor costs like 70k or even more, the Brits get a "free "doctor without having invested in his/her education.
@@houseplant1016 oh i see. Didn't think about that. Doesn't this mean that immigrants are quite a substantial net positive to the economy then? Obviously not all of them, but the healthcare visas seemed to be quite the major contributor to recent growing numbers. I feel like this should be spoken about more.
As one of those immigrants I really hope this doesn't result in me taking longer to get ILR, I'd like to be able to earn extra income outside of my job here
Every article on mainstream media about migration should start and end by repeating this: 99% of the immigration is legal, has a positive impact on the economy and the services we rely on, and the schemes used by migrants to enter the UK have been brought in by the party in government.
Quite bluntly the mainstream media is the problem for not report the facts!
Could?
Could?
It HAS cost these inept and uncaring fools the election !🤬🤬
Because he doesn't want to, it's as clear as it gets! The solution to the problem is quite simple, to be honest. It's not complicated at all, just take them and ship them back!
What's happened to TLDR Daily? Has it stopped? I haven't seen any episodes for a week.
I worry about what's going to happen if the migration rate isn't brought under control. Not because migration is a hot button issue for me personally, but rather it's consistently been an important issue for the public at large for yonks, and consistently not been addressed. The climate on the subject feels like it has been getting more and more febrile. The more this continues to build, the more I'm worried that we're going to see a rather unpleasant populist come to power. You can't ignore a pressing issue for the public on any subject indefinitely without an explosive reaction eventually happening.
(Also, to be fair, I think a lot of people want the small boat illegal immigration to stop because they don't like people dying, and evil people smugglers getting rich from it. I'm not sure if that is necessarily about migration, except that people would prefer legal immigrants than illegal ones in their society - for obvious reasons. People just prefer having law-abiding citizens.)
But surely if a lot are dependents, then that means the majority aren't here to work or study ? Why are students bringing their families ? Makes no sense
This is so sad. Seeing UK's interests being highjacked by a bunch of corrupted politicians who adhere to an ideology more than logic. We live the same tragedy in Canada.
Uk politics has no ideology at the moment - because no party has a vision for the future. No vision - no ideology - just rhetorics with zero problems/ challenges solved.
Who are the corrupt politicians and what ideology? You know this is a left wing site right?
Who are you talking about? The left?
Where do they find a place for these people that's numbering in the hundreds of thousands 😮. These numbers are insane.
He doesn't WANT TO. They're "Taking Over."
Africans can come to the countries of Eastern Europe, to the countries of Intermarium, in these countries there is a good climate, there are forests, space, it is clean and safe, lower costs of living such as food, water, sewage, sewage, electricity, than those in Western Europe, in the countries of Eastern Europe There are industrial and processing plants in Intermarium.
I mean, as someone who is currently trying to get my girlfriend a working visa in the UK... It is nearly impossible: we haven't lived together for 2 years, so can't get partners visa; she is a lawyer, and can't even apply to get a work visa, as there are none in our area without switching to NHS... The only route is forcing us into marriage, which is a scary step for a long-term relationship, but there is no other way for us to live together and her get a job
She should have gone the illegal route, it would have been faster and cheaper and she can stay in a 5* hotel or stately home at the tax payer expense.
@@SaintGerbilUK you sir have not seen the state of those hotels and the conditions they are kept in. I believe the last investigations into the conditions of these facilities had the words "inhumane" and "abuse" plaster on it 15 times... I would not subject anyone to that
This is the living embodiment of a daily mail headline
@@theshontman why do you think they are in that condition?
@@theshontman You are joking right?
What politicians don't understand about right wingers issue on immigration is that a lot of it comes down to the culture and integration. If we aren't getting as much immigration from EU countries anymore we'll get immigration from less desirable cultures that may not integrate as well into the UK which is ironic because of a lot of those people stupidly voted brexit...
Isnt that racist? Funny how over the years attitudes begin to change, wonder why?
Major parties have no intention of solving the economic, social and cultural problems that are leading to low birth rates, 1 in 6 working age people being ‘economically inactive’ (conveniently excluded from unemployment figures) and piss poor capex. They’re also unwilling to tell the public that they’ve made decades of unaffordable, short-sighted promises to buy their votes. The only solution they have is to import vast quantities of labour, and call anyone who questions the rationale or feasibility of this plan an ‘-ist’ or a ‘-phobe.’
Nothing will change until it gets even worse.
Why should someone not looking for a job be called unemployed?
Fact they publish employed / economically active data means isn't hidden. You've not done secret squirrel research to arrive at your opinion.
It will be interesting to see what is in the Labour manifesto on the subject of immigration. It's one of the main areas of interest for voters but I haven't seen how Labour plan to tackle the issue.
When a group of people want to shift blame, they find the most despised thing everybody hates and makes sure all eyes are focused on that. Why?
It's easier to band against a common enemy (who's separate from us) than to sniff out the traitor among us.
As for the people who believe this "immigration" or "net migration" lullaby is the reason why the Tories will lose the election, ask yourself these 2 questions:
1. Was life getting better or worse before this net migration hysteria that the Tories are desperate to shove down your throats?
2. Who's truly benefited from this migration thing the most? - I mean, migrants are probably living better lives than where they left, however, how much did the government make off this scheme?
Closing thoughts:
If increasing/high net migration is a net negative, there are other parts of the British economy (or new economies that can be created within the UK) which could use that sweet cheap labour to turn this thing around for the Brits. If y'all can't see this already, I feel worse for the migrants going there to study.
Yea but that was for janitorial services that the unemployed could do in the country already so cutting it would help. If it was a skilled profession you would have a point. Probably have a commitment to the children of your country before you can be concerned about others.
I'm not British, but I firmly believe that if you want to immigrate to a nation, that is completely fine, this world was made for humans to live, BUT in the condition that you obey that country's system and try your best to fully assimilate yourself to that country. This can include learning their language, appreciating and observing their culture, being able to mix with the people of that country, respecting their laws and most importantly proving oneself useful to the country (like doing a good job that country can appreciate).
If you cannot respect the country which welcomes you with open arms and gives you citizenship or PR, then you should not be their in the first place and chose your own home country or the 200 other countries available on Earth, if doing simple things like this is so hard for you.
There are plenty of UK-born people who don't respect the laws !!!!!! Can we deport those please ?!?!?!?
Especially when it is so dangerous for illegal aliens to actually get here
I'm a Brit and you should see how our immigrants assimilate abroad. Take Spain for eg. Go to Benidom or Malaga and see the so called "posh" Ghettos where the majority of those Boomers don't speak Spanish and behave like hooligans, just like they do here.
Most legal migrants do this anyways they have to prove that they have to do an English test (unless they are from an English colony), adequate salary, qualifications, accommodation and they pay an NHS surcharge. They can’t have a criminal record or they will be deported. If British people accept the migrants and make them feel included there would be less tension. If the government invests in its people that would reduce the need for migrants. Most care homes are filled with migrants, British people don’t want to take care of their old parents and some of these old people have no children anyway.
For one issue to cost Sunak his job would imply the Tories did everything else right, which is a bit hard to believe after the Brexit dumpster fire.
The reason they haven't fixed the issue is they don't actually think it is an issue. The general public on the other hand have to live with all the downsides of mass immigration.
Is it migration or illegal crossings?
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So, illegal migration is quite low, then. Yet, it's such a political issue.
700,000+ is low to you? That's over 1% of our population in a single year.
@@JamesL42 WTF you on about 700,000 illegal immigrants?
That's a bit over the total net figure of legal and illegal but most immigration is legal. its about 8% of those who are "illegal" a little over 50,000.
Maybe we should ask the 500,000+ who left to stay here as well?
@@TheWebstaff Yeah we should stop them leaving. And those 50,000 need to go. Yesterday. 50,000 is too many illegals. 700,000 is too many full stop.
@@JamesL42ILLegal, can’t you read?
@@JamesL4250 000 is a lot . But to stay its effect the entire economy and the entire country. That doesn't make sense . It's just a scapegoat to have more votes .
wow when they realized it its too late
1. Net contribution of skilled workers is positive. They pay good tax, involved in shortage workers list and also have far less rights in terms of benefits and using public fund. Its clearly written on visa, "No public funds". Also, every employer prioritize British/national first.
2. Students bring huge amount of money to pay for their course and they are also exploited as cheap labors. So, their net contribution is also positive.
Both of these groups are mostly young. So, use less healthcare services and both of these group need to work.
So, who is the problem in straining services and affecting economy. I don't know but its definitely not immigrants of these 2 groups..
Is it possible that at least some immigration is a good thing for the economy? That seems to run counter to the fear of immigration promoted by some politicians and the media.
Yes and no.
It creates more GDP because the government is just spending money on the problem, but that hurts the economy since there's no tax money to help you when you need it.
My only disagreement is that there is no ‘could’. It will cost the Tories the election even though Labour will be just as bad in this respect.
The UK's total fertility rate is expected to fall to a record low of 1.42 this year. For non-immigrants mother, the number is in the 1.3 - 1.4 range. This shows that the "Little Britain" cannot support any more population.
'Little Britain' isn't producing any more children because neo-liberals: stripped back all welfare nets, stagnated wages and took away housing security for the vast majority of young people.
I know countless young couples that want children but are refraining due to expenses.
So much for 'patriotic' Tories who have locked their very own citizens out of reproducing - they're crony capitalist criminals who veil themselves in a union jack; not patriots.
I'm not understanding, isn't it the opposite? Immigrants tend to have larger birth rates. The UK needs to match the replacement rate for sustainability
@SASMADBRUV7 I think that's one of the main immigrants for those who oppose immigration that immigrants have larger fertility rates, so that makes big demographic changes.
@@YoussefMohamed-wo9mc that's what I was thinking. Because her last sentence about not supporting the population is technically wrong in this scenario
@@SASMADBRUV7 The birth rate for immigrants is higher than that for non-immigrants, but the gap is narrowing over the years. This means that if a person moves from a developing country to a developed country and gets used to life in the developed country, they will no longer have children, regardless of their country of origin. And Britain's birth rate has fallen faster than in many other developed countries over the past decade. Isn't southern England becoming overcrowded due to rapid population growth due to immigration, making it difficult to have children? Although France maintains a higher birth rate than the UK, its population is not growing as rapidly and its population concentration in metropolitan areas is not as extreme.