At this point, which European country is still supporting broad immigration and asylum rights? Even Germany and Spain have changed their stance. Can't we all come together to build a comprehensive solution?
Ideally the EU should become like a giant Israel for Europeans where only people of European ancestry are allowed to immigrate and seek asylum. Unfortunately I don't see that happening. Our so-called leaders are hell-bent on destroying their own people.
Germany hasn't. Those are just empty words after surprisingly the far right is on the rise. They are unwilling and unable to stop the home-made immigration disaster in the country
“Deportation by force” Only in western countries if this seen as remotely controversial. Over stay your visa in any other place of the world. You’ll be arrested, put in a cell, and taken to an airport and put on a plane. This should not be viewed as controversial in the slightest.
Yes, when I was in the Philippines I was almost daily bombarded with articles by the government celebrating the removal of illegal aliens and people were celebrating it. As a Dutchman this was an absolutely weird thing to see, in the West newspapers would only report on this as something negative, meanwhile in the Philippines "we kicked out this U.S. American pensioner who was convicted of S.A. in those U.S.A.", meanwhile here such people would never even be reported on.
@@-haclong2366 💯 - European people have lost the sense of togetherness and the protection of their ancestral homelands. Other nations scratch their head in amazement.
Wow, they had less than B1 level requirement for citizenship language test😮 As a Belarusian in Poland finishing B2 Polish classes, I can say I only start to feel I can comfortably connect with Poles and make jokes and have some charisma in the new language and be rather relaxed in communication
Yes, until last year the requirement was A2 and this requirement was waived for over 60% of all applicants. Half of my colleagues are immigrants, most of them have passed their exams, none of them can order a cup of coffee in Dutch.
Yeah, it's one of the few implications of the new government that I really do approve of. A2 is not enough, B1 should definitely be a minimum requirement, especially since you can only get naturalized after 5 years. If you're not at B1 after 5 years, I'm sorry, but you're just not Dutch enough to get a passport.
@@Jazzisa311I agree, everyone can learn. Although we might need exemptions for people who can't learn very well because of a handicap, brain damage etc. But that's probably less than 1% of all the applicants.
M’y mom came to America from Mexico, she is so embarrassed but also gets angry when the news interviews Latinos demanding higher wages, rights to housing etc when they can’t speak the language after declaring they’ve lived and worked here for 30 years…..she says see this this why they hate us…😢
So many countries opting out…but what about blocking them at the first EU border in the first place? And kicking them from a country to the other…oh, what about getting rid of them at the EU level?
We will likely see a new Schengen Area with stricter outside border control emerging from this mini-Schengen, that will then expand to replace the current Schengen.
Exactly, it's not like Spain, Italy, France, Greece etc don't also have migration issues. There shouldn't be mini-schengen, just update schengen as it is.
As a Dutch person i don't agree with all the points, but definitely agree with the 10year naturalisation requirement, Dutch language B1 requirement and integration requirements. I have been at naturalisation ceremonies where the people getting their Dutch passports did not even understand the civil servant speaking to them and just smiled and nodded at everything even the bad things that the civil servant had to gently hint at for them to correct their statement. I will also add though that to me i've seen Ukrainian refugees try a lot harder to learn Dutch, speak broken Dutch words to their kids and explaining what it is in Ukrainian and integrate than other refugees so I don't mind continuing to help them.
I agree there should be a higher level of requirements to acquire the dutch nationality or any EU nationality for that matter. However, this can also be counter-productive for NL if highly qualified EU workers start considering other countries given the high burden of getting a nationality. Imagine wanting to buy a house but not knowing if you will be able to live in the country for any reason (lets suppose Nedxit), i think people would think about staying there twice. I have a good example of an English friend who just got her Belgian nationality, probably she wouldn't have stayed here if she had to wait 10 years for it.
We want an opt out, because we are the most densly populated country of Europe. We just don't have the space to take another million people in just a few years. We don't have enough houses and we can 't built enough houses due to EU regulations.
Exactly. Even people who aren't allowed to stay often just stay anyways for long periods of time. Then they have a kid and now it's big deal, understandably cause sending away a kid that was born here is kinda messed up. We need to actually kick out anyone who doesn't meet the requirements for staying here. And do that within a reasonable time frame.
Even if you do have space, you shouldn’t be taking in Muslim refugees who are mostly men and most likely would just increase crime rates, r@pe the women and minors and vandalize your beautiful country. This is coming from an Ex-muslim.
@@dukkiegamer1733 limited infrastructure to progress migrants.. the same people that voted PVV were against the spreidingswet/spreadinglaw that would address the infrastructure bottleneck causing immigration processes to grind down to a near halt. Its as if voters dont know what they are voting for
@@JSK010 Dutch citizenship is the most valuable thing Dutch government can offer, they get it for being on welfare for 5 years living in house appropriated by government for them.
Every country around the EU is voting against asylum seekers. Why can't we just change the EU law and stop mandatory accepting of asylum seekers altogether, and leave it to the individual states to accept or turn them away. That would take the wind out of the far right's sail, and we could finally return to reasonable centrist governments.
How did appeasing Hitler work? The far right will just move to lgbt issues, than comprise with them they will target black people, than anyone not part of the aryan race, than death camps
It's a hot topic across the entire continent and like you say, the inevitable is happening now. They need to actually start listening to people instead of acting like the issue will go away, because it won't and is growing every day.
It's not that easy when EU countries have an open boarder. In truth, the real problem is having open boarders whiles at the same time having individual countries doing their own things when it comes to the boarder and immigration. It's a crazy situation to have one without the other and think it can work with 27 different policies, in other words, if we really want open boarders among EU countries, which I suspect most want, then we need the EU to have more powers in areas like enforcing the EU boarder and on immigration, and basically, the real problem isn't the EU as such, but 27 different countries having their own policies in an open boarder union, that's where the real problem is, and it would be a real shame if EU countries continue to close boarders as that's taking away one of the biggest benefits of being in the EU for its citizens. To put it another way, we can't have our cake and eat it, if we want open boarders, then the EU needs the powers in those areas to enforce them, in other words, the real problem is being caused by EU countries all pulling in different directions, and if we are not careful, we could end up with boarders being permanently closed in the union for EU citizens.
Giving the far right what they want won't deprive them of power, it will just legitimize and embolden them. Why is the "centrist" solution to every problem to stonewall the left and capitulate to the right?
As mentioned by other commentators: The reasons these problems exist is BECAUSE politicians fail to adhere to U.N. rules to begin with. The statuses of 'Refugee' and 'Asylee' are simple: Applicants *MUST* demonstrate they are fleeing from a *declared* war zone (Refugee) OR demonstrate they are a targeted group in their country of origin (Asylee.) Then they must make application in the nearest *CONTIGUOUS* (which means 'land locked') safe nation to their own. The reason these limitations exist is to prevent exactly what's transpired since 2015,..people shopping around the globe in preferred nations for status. These are 'EMERGENCY' statuses,..not products of casual shopping for the best deal. Holding politicians accountable is the only way to curtail such malicious fraud.
@@socratic-programmer Wrong. The Dublin pact. A refugee must claim asylum in the first European country they enter. But the majority is shopping around to get the best benefits.
@@tcdrxthe Dublin regulation is an EU regulation, not UN. As you mention, it's about first country of entry to the EU (or another member country), not the first country contiguous to the asylee's home country as OP suggests. It would also not be sensible to require that asylees can only travel by land in the first place. IMO it's also a policy that doesn't work for anyone. It's pure NIMBY-ism. Under such a policy, 'border' countries would get inundated with refugees purely based on proximity, while the rest don't. This concentrates the problem in a small area, which is when it becomes a genuine problem. Providing safety is a global effort, we shouldn't saddle a handful of countries with that. We shouldn't flood Germany, but neither should we flood Egypt etc.
According to asymlum rules, refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they cross. So the only people who qualify for refugee status are Ukranians and Belorussians. All others have tried to enter the EU from a safe country, so by law they are actually required to apply for asylum there.
@@sergioTGHLet me guess, you don't know any refugees personally, right? No one who actually talks to these people instead of relying on social media 'information' would make such ridiculous claims.
I remember when Czechs, Poles, Slovaks and Hungarians were saying the EU migration policy is a terrible idea more than a decade ago. We were called all sorts of names and no one listened.
It has become habit though that they anounce very big plans, to in the end get nothing done at all. Immigration has become a bigger theme this elections mainly because of the housing crisis, which was the main bullet point for all of last election. In the end they haven't managed to improve anything in terms of housing, so they shift focus away with this migrant thing. Sure there's other issues with immigration, but it never should've been the biggest issue on the agenda in the elections. They've just accepted that the bigger issues like the housing crisis they're just not solving. Same cycle is already starting again, just compare the recent statements from parties like the BBB and PVV. Literally anything they promised in their election campaigns they're now publicly backtracking on (because most was unrealistic to begin with). In the end the 'farmer's party' the BBB is now accepting the last government's exact same plan for agriculture, which they openly attacked before. In the end the PVV will accept some minor changes on immigration laws which will affect maybe 2% of the issue and they'll call it a win. I've learned to not worry about what these politicians say, in the end they barely manage to change anything anyways.
So if nothing gets done then the housing crisis keeps getting bigger and bigger until the PVV get a majority government and finally gets something done.
@@RopekingRopethemall Well yes a lot of what the elected parties claimed as their agenda is against EU agreements. So without leaving the EU none of that is actually likely to happen. When reality kicked in after elections the politicians have realized that and are backtracking on everything they said. So either we decide to stay in the EU, but we need to then stop voting for dumb populist claims in the elections. Or we should decide these issues are so major that leaving the EU is now an option. Right now we're voting populist parties that claim things that go against EU laws, but at same time don't have a majority that would want to leave the EU. Is just very weird to me.
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Same happened with Lijst Pim Fortuyn, they said that they'd decrease immigration back in 2001, but nothing happened and the E.U. blocked all proposals.
Nothing wrong with forced deportation. We have around 200k people in Canada who have been given deportation orders who remain because they know we won't actually force them out. Nothing wrong with picking them up and sending them home on a plane.
@@malegria9641 Many of these people are here illegally, or have come from safe countries. A sizable portion commit crimes, threaten local citizens and are overall a nuisance. If someone flees to another country and then abuses the freedom they receive, they forfeit any claim to human rights. They dont deserve our solidarity.
@@kristof6472it all starts with individual nations enforcing their power on the eu though. Think of Poland or sweden with the migrants, italy with the refugee camp in albania or Germany with the border checks recently. These are after all individual nations and are free to do so if they accept the repercussions from the eu (a slap on the wrist so to say). These nations can also deny any reform until their demands are met. This all will force the eu to give concessions or reform its entire foreign policy in time.
@@kevinbot1314 its a stupid mechanism within the EU.....we need to remove the veto power of single nations, increase fines or we might as well resolve the political union and go back to coal and stell union.....the EU is braindead as a political institution when every member state can overrule anything just becasue he doesnt like it
Yeah, I feel that the EU as a whole is going to be reformed to reflect modern challenges and reality. We cannot save the world from all of their problems nor can the whole world population come to the EU. Technically, more than 1/3 of the whole world population lives under dictatorships or undemocratic countries -- what should we do? Import 3 billion people here? It's time for these self-righteous and self-destructive policies to be scrapped and to confront reality.
@@kevinbot1314 Even though I liked your comment, I have to add one caveat. The only countries that can do that now are countries that the EU bureaucracy cannot afford to lose, either because they are net contributors to the EU budget, or because of their military or geopolitical importance. Hungary was recently slapped with a fine of 200 million euros, plus 1 million euro per further day of non-compliance, for not following the EU directives on accepting refugees. That fine is certainly not just a slap on the wrist for Hungary, or any other EU country with a small economy. It's only after most countries important enough for the Commission start enforcing their power on it, that it will cave and enact reform.
Yeah it's crazy that Lefties think it's morally good to take in Asylum seekers. Don't they realize that for every migrant you take in 10 more get born? Like taking in migrants literley takes away money from development funds that can actually make a difference in making Africa more stable. We should close the borders and work together with the African Union to make Africa more stable and stop taking in Migrants. These migrants need to go back and develop their own nations so they can start making a life for themselves.
well its super easy to blame the EU or germany when you fcked up your national policies....i mean its happening all the time in every EU member state^^
I don’t agree with measures that simply make the immigration problem the problem of Southern countries such as Italy or Spain. Protecting the EU/Schengen borders must be a joint effort by all countries and only when countries feel the pain from illegal immigration will they be willing to spend the money on reducing the pressure on all other countries.
It's not that difficult to protect your borders. Ukraine manages against the armed forces of Russia. I'm sure Italy could manage with illegal migrants not even having a land border.
There will never be any joint effort. Why should the North share South`s problems? When they do all it does is empower the far right. More immigration=less cooperation and more anti immigrant parties in power.
This is BS. Everyone is willing to spend money to stop this invasion and human smuggling by NGOs. It's being blocked by leftist activist judges and politicians, the problem is not money, it's ideology/politics. Forcing an invasion upon sovereign countries is insanity, whatever bs logic you try to spin.
@@00PlPu00 If you ask all the members of the UN, I guess 95 % of them would have no objection to the Dutch policies. Perhaps a few woke White nations would have panic attacks.
I remember reading someone's comment on this channel saying "As usual TLDR gets things half right and half wrong" as if they didn't read because it was too long. Still true to this day about this channel.
Care to explain? Or do you just like calling people wrong and vanish like an uneducated netizen who cannot make any points for arguments and relies solely on emotions to sow division? You are supposed to let us know which part is "half right" and which part is "half wrong" before defaming their channel.
These are what we call "ECONMICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS" They are fleeing to the EU to get money to send back to their country where it's worth a lot more. Especially popular in welfare countries like The Netherlands who had a history of people using unemployement benefits to go back to their country to live like kings with no work. These days it's not as bad... but yea.. these "safe country asylum seekers" 9/10 they throw away their IDs and papers and say they are from an unsafe country. If you can't be identified from a safe country... the asylum program will try to track you down, but will allow you to have that spot for that duration and when it takes too long... good luck getting them out.
The problem is that in order for Brussels to enforce E.U./Schengen borders, it needs actual, compulsive authority over migration policy, i.e. the right to police national borders, process claims through an E.U. bureau, and, if necessary, force member states to accept the decisions of that bureau. That would be a huge transfer of authority from the national to the European level. Personally, I think it would be an overall improvement, but the Geert Wilders, Le Pens, and Orbans of Europe would throw a fit.
I think the ‘anti-democratic’ criticism was in response to the shift of responsibility from parliament to the government. That shift may or may not clash with the Dutch constitution, that’s for Dutch courts to assess. Generally, oppositions label any shift of responsibility from parliament to government as ’anti-democratic’, so I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Except the part about declaring the crisis status to pass the laws. The current government doesn't have a majority to pass new laws, so they seek to declare a crisis situation which would allow them to bypass the usual workings of government and bypass the opposition. That is the most anti democratic thing imaginable, as their entire aim is to bypass the whole system.
Also, the speaker sasy "deporting as many people as possible", implying ALL the people implied, while the text says this applies to "people without a residence permit". I do not know what this means exactly, but I had to watch this video twice because I could not believe that what the speaker was saying was part of an official document. Summarize when needed but do not summarize more than what is right.
Freezing all asylum applications is pretty extreme. Imagine arriving as a refugee in a country, with incontrovertible proof you are fleeing from your life from an evil regime, and having a government suit say "we are freezing applications".
Simple answer, the population does not think sacrificing their safety is a good trade off for food delivery drivers and unemployed migrants who cant speak the language.
Asylum isn't about labour at all, it's about helping people who need help. It's absolutely fair to think that you can only help so many and your generosity has a limit, but these people are absolutely not there to work the bottom jobs of society
I agree, im in favor of migration. But not at this level, all migrants do is form groups among themselves and never assimilate. It didn't use to be like this, but when done on this scale its just not working.
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When Denmark does this, you pretend you don't see it. When The Netherlands proposes this, you carefully consider it. But when any country east of Vienna suggests it, we are deemed fascists, illiberal, undemocratic and everything else that comes to your minds. You owe us an apology!
I don't owe you anything, a lot of people in western Europe always agreed with you, but you think the government listen to its people? I can tell you they don't
Apology for what? Countries east of Vienna don't even receive asylum applications. The Netherlands alone received 39.710 applications last year and granted more than 11.000. Do you know how many Hungary granted? 7. Slovakia? 23. Poland, which is 7 times bigger and has twice the population of the Netherlands, accepted a fourth of what the Netherlands has accepted. And that's still nothing compared to Cyprus, Belgium or Austria. So wtf are you whining about?
I stand with the eastern europeans, we need to form a common fist, an European fist against the non western migrants so we can save our own cultures before it's too late!
If you take in half of Afghanistan, you do not help Afghanistan, you turn into Afghanistan. I am German and I am seriously worried about de-industrialisation and the unchecked immigration in Germany. Germany is totally falling apart. Even making immigration deals with Kenia and Usbekistan to import 250.000 people plus families as"skilled workers" while feeding 5,5 mio people on social benefits!!! So ridiculous! Everything we stood for in the past decades, our values, tradition, engineering skills, even our punctuality (public transportation) is intentionally being drained. The moment you critisize any of these developments, you are immediatly called a Nazi by the Woke, the leftist Establishment as well as the government . I never believed in the theory of population exchange as the initial step to create the "United Staates of Europe". I do now.
This is why the right winged parties need to rise and if this problem doesn't get fixed in the next few years it might be upon us the people to take power by force in order to save our future
Might be good to include the discussions around this as well, the opposition has some things to say about it. Usually the Dutch dont all agree with each other. We have a word for this: polderen. (making land below the sea) This means that all parties make a compromise.
While oppositions always have things to say, it's not a random event for Dutch people to vote for this government, immigration, housing, all leading to problems people deem greater than focus parties on the left. Environmental norms for example are less important to people when it slows down construction of new housing during a housing crisis made worse by unregulate immigration.
@@Elucidator- just because he praised Orban, doesn't mean he didn't said the Polish were taking our money, that the Slovakian government was 'corrupt', that Romania and Bulgaria were too primitive to capture criminals, that Oekraine has to think about it's corruption and Russia maybe then would stop etc. Orban shares Wilders viewpoints, of course he gets praises. Wilder's wife after all is Hungarian. One of those 'immigrants' taking our jobs and homes who's he so against.
@@Stoddardian actually, I live in Rotterdam and I feel very at home. Came from the north where people are the most racist yet have the least experience with non Dutch looking people. Rotterdam makes me feel safe at night, makes me feel comfortable when walking in the streets and makes me feel joyful because people are actually nice here and more mindful about themselves instead of judging others. I say that as a born Drenth, with Frisian parents raised in Groningen. Rotterdam is not an argument against multiculturalism, it's an argument to promote it. But the "crime", dude it's everywhere. Brabant is drugsland all in Dutch farms, Groningen has trouble with stabbing incidents and confused middle aged people who need mental attention, Rotterdam has the biggest port of Europe, so yes violence appears, but not in everyday life and not because Fatima lives here. It's because it's the biggest port also for Germany their rhine lands, France and the northern part of the country, etc. All the way to Switzerland. It's a so-called logical hotspot.
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There isn't uncontrolled asylum and migration. It's very controlled. It's just easy to say when your government makes a mess of things to blame other parties. Don't fall for the populism bud
There is no uncontrolled migration. Have you tried to follow the relentless procedure migrants have to go through? And seeking asylum is a right mentioned in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
it does....the majority of people dont want pushbacks or closed borders or border controlls everywhere.....just becasue you are louder, doesnt mean you got a majority mate, not how democracy works
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Pushbacks and deportation need to be normalised, you also need some system of punishment that is cheap and effective before deportation to disincentive returns
Don't think its good but this will probably be the end game. Just look at the number of people in for example Marokko (one of the main immigrant groups in NLD): this doubled from 20 million in 1980 to almost 40 million (!) now. In the meantime no real economic or societal development, now with climate change dwindling resources. So the young people there complain "here we have no opportunities, we want to go Europe". Its going to be a massive flood of people.
Problem there is that there is such a system and the Netherlands doesn't have an asylum seeker crisis. There's a housing crisis. Migration from refugees is
Pushback and deportation dont work. We need humane and well funded systems to help people integrate throughout the EU. The current methods are cruel and economical suicide.
@@saggitaril4044 why? we have no need for them. we have tried for years and all these migrants have brought is economic strain, crime and cultural conflict. they have nothing to offer to the EU and it's people and we owe them nothing.
Yep, thank you. This doomed-to-fail fabricated immigration crisis will, in all likelihood, cause our far right parties to allow themselves a more euroskeptic stance, down to possibly calling for a Nexit of some kind. It's scary as hell, and people are blindly walking into it.
@@rytisgluoksnys4505 yes i agree. NEXIT quietly left the party program of the right wing PVV last elections. Another difference with the UK is that you had (have) Brexiteers on both the left on the right, in NLD not so much.
I would just like to mention that the Dutch prime minister has said that the reason for this anti-democratic reform is because "The people feel like there is an asylum crisis" and "Numbers don't actually say that much". They openly admit that they're declaring a national crisis based on people's feelings. Because blaming everything on immigrants is easier than actually fixing healthcare, education and housing which they promised they would fix.
The Dutch, with a population of 17.9 million people, all living within a total area of 16,160 sq mls-of which the land area is only 12,900 sq miles and taking in FORTY THOUSAND "asylum seekers" (economic migrants) a year, I'd say the CITIZEN'S "feelings" that there is a crisis in THEIR homeland are legitimate. BTW, these are NOT immigrants - they're illegal migrants from Africa and the ME who are stampeding into Europe for the rich benefits. Period. Almost no one in Europe wants any more of them and most would love to see them repatriated back to own their homelands.
If voters want fewer immigrants, it is hardly your job to tell them that their priorities are wrong?! There are no "right" or "wrong" priorities in politics, only different choices.
As a resident in NL, I think the crux of the problem here is that it takes them far too long to process asylum requests. Therefore, the backlog just grows. The ones who genuinely need asylum get mixed with others and then it becomes a difficult situation. For example; There's one case at the moment where a woman was denied her request and must be deported. Except... She has an 11 Yr old son, who is Dutch (if not technically, then culturally), because he was born here and lived his whole life here. So, it took over 11 years to process her case and now her son, who is entirely Dutch, has to be deported? This is not their fault, at this point, but the system. TLDR; NL and the greater EU won't fix this by pushing back. They need to process them all faster.
I agree that it is the system's fault, but imagine they now cancel the deportation, does that not just tell every person trying to get in the Netherlands: YOOO Get a baby in you asap and they can not deport you!! It is a very harsh decision but in my opinion it should be made, the whole reason we are in this crisis is because we have been too forgiving and lenient, this good heart approach simply gets abused unfortunately..
This is by design. The government has been divesting from public services, including the sector that deals with processing asylum seekers, for more than a decade. This is neoliberal crap.
That's not what happened. Her request and appeal to the high Court was denied within the first year of her coming here (14 years ago). She chose to "dissappear" and "reappear" at times to file another, different request. Whilst the other requests are active, she cannot be kicked out of the country. This has gone on for about 14 years now, 14 years of abusing the generous legal system. The real issue is that she wasn't immediately removed from the country when her first request and appeal was denied.
As a descendent of Dutch settlers and having recently returned to the Netherlands following the legal process, I fully support these changes. If you want to live in a country you have to learn the language and adopt the customs. You should be grateful for the opportunity to live in such a country and work to integrate and improve the country as a thank you to it and it's people.
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The boat is full. We are already one of if not the most dense populated country in Europe (excluding microstates like monaco maybe). There are too many of us, all of us, but as far as I believe one can't start killing off half the population to make room, and as far as I know one can also not ask the actual citizens of a country to frick off. So then the sollution is to limit what comes in. And all those people and parties saying it's not true and we are not full and that migration is blown up are just closing their eyes for the problem. The boat is full
Blaming all your problems on literally the poorest and least powerful people in your country smh. You know who is really responsible for your problems, and it's not them.
There would be a simple solution to all of this: 1.) Common law across the EU 2.) A migration law like the swedish modell (and Hungary isn‘t wrong with its policy aswell…) 3.) Finally make migration to the EU so unattractive that syrians, etc. stay in their country and solve their problems instead of migrating… 4.) what should happen: a.) EU outer border countries should recieve support/compensation from the EU for controlling the border. b.) No entry without a proper immigration process; meaning they stay out until processed. c.) Entry only with proper documents For illegal immigrants in the EU: Produce the required documents or be deported outside the next EU outer border or their home country.
Agreed. Don't dangle a huge carrot in front of a rabbit and be surprised he jumps over the fence to get it. Removing the carrot is the simplest solution.
So clear and simple, yet somehow so difficult to obtain unfortunately. I think it will go country by country that closes it borders eventually. A domino effect.
It’s relatively simple, but hard to achieve due to how many people (in the governments too) still are pro- mass migration for some reason. They probably think that most asylum seekers from outside of Europe are young men from Africa and the Middle East, that their beliefs and cultures clash so hard with ours that they look down on us at best and hate us at worst, that they’re overrepresented in the crime rates in Western Europe and that they only come here because they know they can get everything for free here, not because they’re “(economic) refugees” are far right wing conspiracy theories. And even if they know the truth about the mass migration issue, they often still go “but we must help these people, and cultural diversity is great for our country and we need them for labour, as our population is aging!” (They were never told which demographic groups are most responsible for the increase in acts of hate, violence and harassment against women, Jewish people and people of the lgbt community). People are either ignorant or afraid to be seen as a fascist or racist as far as I’ve seen.
Stop supporting war effort by U.S. first, then pay reparation for the former colony for them to develop, or none of this approach will have any significant impact other than performative cruelty. No matter how unattractive EU immigration law is, how strong EU border patrol or how degraded EU culture is, being an illegal EU immigrant is still orders of magnitude better than a citizen in a war torn or economically exploited Ukraine, middle east nation or African nation.
@@whensonzhou4174 The 'reparation' to former colonies has already been given basically ever since these former colonies became independent 50 to 75 years ago in the shape of billions in foreign aid money. That this money largely ended up in the pockets of a few corrupt leaders and their entourages is not our problem. These former colonies rather have to elect trustworthy politicians with integrity that actually give somewhat of a rat's arse about its people, so that they actually build up the country rather than just their own bank accounts.
@@00PlPu00housing prices won't inflate as fast anymore, terrorist attacks like the one in solingen will get less likley and most importantly europe will remain mostly ethnically european.
One interpretation of increasing the standards for remaining in-country could be that they're getting tougher on immigrants -- and it's clear that they are in some ways -- but requiring that they work is likely more a move toward permanent residency. In the case of Ukraine, I don't think its neighbours have much intention to encourage Ukrainians to return to Ukraine even when the hostilities end. Can you imagine Germany or The Nederlands giving up tens to hundreds of thousands of productive workers under the median age? The EU extension of temporary protection status for Ukrainians was to benefit the EU. I wouldn't say they intended to harm Ukraine, but they knew their decision would make it harder for Ukraine to survive the war and rebuild afterwards. Completely counter-productive to the war effort.
Migrants already need to work to enter, unless they have a family member sponsoring them. To not mix migrants and refugees, whose rights are protected by the Declaration of Human Rights.
The other coalition parties are not silent about it: they agree with every word that is said. Go watch the broadcast of WNL of the vice-ministers being interviewed. They are in agreement.
The previous government did nothing about the migration crisis they did not have any plans for it. In the Netherlands we have a massive housing crisis. We Dutchies are not prioritized for housing, the so called '''refugees'' are. And people are done with this and the Muslim attacks. Yes the new government needs to do something about it but the EU has too much power so whatever we want won't get through. Very undemocratic in my opinion. I don't want to leave the EU, but i want countries to be more sovereign to make choices.
Kicking out migrants is not gonna solve the housing crisis. That's gonna take market regulation, deprivatization, improving wages, redistributing power from the landlord to the tenant, and so on. But this coalition is doing none of that. Bullying a few migrants will do very little except calming your racist tendencies.
@@wesleys4507 A load of nonsense. The housing crisis wasn't created because of asylum seekers. They're being used as scapegoats. The true main reason is the liberalisation off the housing market by ten years of liberal right wing government. This made houses more expensive to buy for regular people, while in the mean time they forced social housing corporations to sell of part of their houses. Lots of these houses are being sold to expats (of which there are far more then asylum seekers) and speculators. This trend has been worsened by the fact that multiple liberal governments didn't implement EU rulings on emissions in agriculture and were forced by the High Court to do so. Resulting in the fact that The Netherlands can't build as many new houses as are needed. And this government isn't just blaming asylum seekers for the housing crisis but for other problems mostly created by policies of liberal governments. The same liberals that still are part of this current government.
I know someone close to me that works with criminals. 99% of them are not Dutch. The Dutch government can not send them back to where they came from and therefore it costs about 2000 euros per person per day with regular care. This does not include any of the damages they inflict, which is on a regular basis. This also does not include any of the legal system, police, and additional medical emergency that they require. And that is just on the position they work at, there are plenty of those locations for criminals to reintegrate into society. There are even documentaries on this by the NPO (Dutch public tv) that go into closed instances where the criminality is a lot worse. And 99% of them are again not Dutch. The housing market is already packed and tight. Urban places where immigrants are placed often are messed up with lots of trash scattered around, gardens unkept, criminality. I have had an open mind about immigration in the past, in the after-war era The Netherlands was rebuilt with immigrant workers, to which I am grateful. They helped and found their place in society. From what I have been experiencing, the current immigrant does no such thing and only takes up valuable resources that we currently are short on. Resources like housing, medical care, mental care, etc. I think a stronger control on what is coming in, for instance having a B1 skill of language, is needed. However, I am not sure if the plans that are on the table now will be passed through or will work. Curious to see where this is going.
You're literally saying that non EU migrants are criminals by saying "other criminals" no idea if that's your intention, but I am making you aware you are.
Can’t believe they want to ditch on Poland who was first to call out stupid migration policies lol instead of apologizing and strengthening the EU borders
Everyone wants to opt out of it. That Pact should be scrapped and EU countries should decide about migration on their own except of 1 things: Defending EU borders. All kinds of help and funds should be directed to make our borders safe.
What are the positives of brin in the pact exactly? Opt in you get infinity migrants you have to pay for. Opt out you get infinity fines you have to pay for.
If the EU genuinely cared about these people instead of just seeing them as cheap labour for their corporate pals they would have ALSO enforced and help pay for the construction of the necessary infrastructure (housing, hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists etc) to support them!
Check online how much the EU disburses for similar projects already. Then try to find what Member States are actually doing with this HUGE pile of money. That’s where it gets effy… No transparency, in countries like Hungary you see huge rampant corruption cases. Then they like to blame the EU for this and opt-out of EU responsibilities and just try to reap the benefits from all European taxpayers money.
lol....what do you think has been happening in europe since 2016 excatly????We are building schools, hospitals asylum centers and what not....its just at a slow pace but its happening al over europe, well most of it.......saying europe doesnt care about them is factually on the same level as saying the earth is flat lol
The states hold almost all of the money. The EU has a (relatively) really smal budget and in no way big enough to make an effective change in the policy areas u mention. Almost all of their power is thus trough the laws they make which needs to pass through the Parlement whom we vote ourselves fore. The states also need to lay the general direction of the union. So for these problems the states are way more responsible than the union.
@@wandeling127It's not a strength in any social sense. Differences in beliefs and identity mean more division and conflict. Diversity exclusively benefits multinational corporations.
It's not, actually it's been repeatedly proven that diversity is actually detrimental to social cohesion and drastically reduce social capital😅 it's only good for the big capitalists who need cheap workforce to exploit
@@peterjones5243 Not having a echo chamber of uniformity is a strength in a social sense, differences in beliefs is clearly a strength, but its comes with a host of negatives as well. Really wish people would stop pretending its only bad or only good.
Lol, dream on. 😌❤ This is just standard "politics signaling for the masses". Part of the national negotiations with the EU, by using public media. Business as usual.
@@elektrotehnik94 I have to agree with op. Just taking schengen for example, it is very unclear to me how different countries putting up different border policies unilaterally is in line with Schengen absent a new law being passed at the EU level. It gets especially ridiculous when it is harder to think of an EU country that didn't do it at some point than did.
Always was, I like the idea of the EU but I oppose it because of the blatant cheery picking of the bits countries like and the ignoring of the rest. Its a joke, and has been since it started.
I think EU could never really expect that all countries can do the same when all countries are different of size and amount of available homes and space. I dont know what EU was thinking when they were deciding we could take unlimited amounts of immigrants
No one cared, if was idepgical and definitely hefty amount of good, old corruption was involved all across Europe - illegals were a good business. Housing them alone was great way of siphoning public funds into pockets of intrest groups while also maintaining popular support. I won't make expert on that, I mostly read about Irish exploits, also Italian and Swedish (in Sweden it was more about building asylums and business with construction companies) but I doubt elsewhere motivations were different. If you don't know what it was about it was about the money - it's a simple rule but it works more often than you would think. People might have hard time to believe that such issues were escalated for so cheap and there might be extra ideological motivation but if someone doesn't resist then situation can easily escalate. Same goes for unopposed school bully, same goes for politicians that get no proper negative feedback.
Hungary has thrown way it's democracy in the process. It's a corrupt state without a free press and sucking up to Putin and China to survive. No thank you.
@@LDTSROexactly Hungary does not have the issue that we have. We didnt mind taking in immigrants so actually immigration itself is not the issue, but limitless immigration is the issue. We can not handle limitless incoming immigrants. We are a small country so now we lack housing. That obviously was not meant to happen. Immigration was way worse then previously expected because of wars in West Asia etc. Also these people will come in anyway. They will always find a way because they are so desperate. And because other European countries refused to take in. These people went our way so that made it worse for us 😂
Laws aside, we don't morally owe any refugee anything. You MAY live within our borders as long as we let them. But we are under no moral obligation to just let anyone in, or explain ourselves in whom we do and whom we don't want to stay.
@@Lisekplhehe Because it's the moral thing to do? Not only is it a global responsibility too deal with migration fairly (They don't just magicly dissappear when we reject em. They gotta go somewhere. Putting more pressure on allies doesn't do much good.), it's also just the simple fact that if the roles were reversed then we would like to be treated fairly and with dignity aswell. Plus, if you want to ask the EU for favors on nitrous limits then it's probably not wise to become a major obstacle on another hot button subject aswell.
@@bacchus8081 Your white saviour complex is showing - africa is not a barren wasteland we should just evacuate people from. African nations are absolutely capable of feeding their citizens and creating meaningful economies. Mortal thing to do is not a moral obligation. And still, no explanation why it is moral. If we're helping, we should help with developing insanely dirt poor nations like niger to develop into self sustaining countries instead of exploiting them like france does (and china probably will).
This should be the law for any country when it comes to illegal immigration: Did you come here illegally? If yes, you have 10 days to leave the country or you go to jail for 10 years hard labor to pay your debt to the society you invaded, and then are deported.
A major issue is that the PvdA/GL leftwing parties have strongholds in the Randstad in the West. The problematic asylum centers are in the East of the country - Rich, liberal Pvda/GL voters simply don't experience the problems and call anyone critical of the current system a racist/xenophobe. So the people in the areas around these centers vote for the only people that acknowledge it as a problem, people that acknowledge that the way of life and social cohesion is falling apart rapidly since these centers were opened. They vote for single issue idiot parties like the PVV and BBB. We need a sane party that is pro environment, green, LGBT etc, but also having a robust policy on immigration and crime.
Didn't the previous government pass a law that would spread out the asylum seekers over the entire country, but the new government then got rid of it? It sounds to me like the new government wants the problematic asylum centers to continue
Truth. Also, the upper-class in both Europe and US, like you said, are completely unaware and unbothered by such quick demographic change as they pretty much live in gated communities. They live in such expensive places that the only immigrants they interact with are wealthy and educated. It's scary to see how disconnected these people are -- and a good proportion of these people are the ones making the rules.
Yes but then what are the asylum seekers laws for? Of course they've been abused but if you were to need them you would appreciated not to be blocked from entering a safe country I'm sure.
every country has the right to deport Dutch-born eleven year old christian boys to the Caucasus, as this Dutch coalition is doing now; its called wasting public money on symbolics
And you give up a bit of sovereignty..or more accurately just move it further out, for increased benefits in other areas like trade and security. You cant form a sovereign country if every town wants to keep its own sovereignty. They gave it up to be a country. Your argument is so old its dead.
@@saggitaril4044 Central Europe is commonly referring to states east of Germany and west of Russia, so Poland, Czechia, Hungary etc. The Netherlands is commonly known as a West or North European country, not Central. I guess they meant 'states in the center of the EU' which is not the same, since EU (the economical-political bloc) =/= Europe (the continent)
@@jugler07 Thats not even remotely true. Poland and Hungary would not be considered central european states even if geographically that would be a fair enough statement.
@@saggitaril4044theyre central european if we talk about an europe from the sea to the urals, but youre right, in an everyday discussion nobody would use central europe for poland or hungary
This is tough love because I lived the best 5 years of my life in the Netherlands. But the Dutch borough all this upon themselves. After the war, they needed cheap labour to rebuild their country, they couldn’t find enough people in Europe because they too were busy rebuilding their own backyards. So, instead of turning to Latin America, at least the poorest countries at that time like Central America, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, who are all Christians, they turned to Turkey and Morocco, but their people were not interested, so they turned to rural Turkey and Morocco, the most conservatives parts of the Muslim world. The Dutch offer them to build mosques, religious equality, jobs, sure, they migrated under these promises, little did they know that they were going to do what everyone else would naturally do, which is bring their family, bring their customs, and slowly clashing with the completely opposite liberal Dutch society. You had to be a fool 70 years ago not to see that coming. The Dutch themselves made and opened their own Pandora’s box.
The UN should convene and write a reformed international convention addressing today's issues - this is not a crisis any country can solve on their own. Why is the UN not doing this, anybody knows?
Because whenever the UN done something useful or anything at all? The UN nothing it is job stop bothering them with actual world problems and make them work to solve them.
Just seeing minister Faber angers me to no end. She reminds me of professor Umbridge. The clothes, the way she talks, the things she does... It's awful having her in a position of power. She is a racist xenophobe who has expressed to believe in replacement theory and she will without issue spew factfree nonsense and gaslighting reporters who call her out on it. Even though I don't like VVD, I believe the former migration secretary was so much better. At least he worked to ensure proper asylum accomodations. Faber just wants to let everything derail and burn so she can say "look, it's a crisis!"
Because there IS a crisis. We have a massive housing crisis (as you are well aware off if you live here) and we are not allowed to build more houses. Without immigration the number of people living in this country would decrease, ergo, the crisis would fix itself. Furthermore, while the "Replacement threory" might not be actively pushed or an intended policy, it IS happening (be it intended or not). Like I said before, the Netherlands has a negative reproduction rate (as in, lower than 2.1 children per woman, the amount needed to maintain the same number of people in a country without external influences, like immigration. The Netherlands sits on 1.49 as of 2022). So by "filling the gaps" with immigrants, you are "replacing" the native Dutch people with immigrants.
@@Doomness2k Do you know how many refugees come into the Netherlands? Do you know the percentages of houses being given to refugees vs. Dutch people? Because it is far less than you would think listening to these people. We had much higher numbers of immigrants coming in 2015 and no one was batting an eye.
As far as I’m aware the naturalisation rule whereby someone has to renounce their nationality of another country if they become a Dutch citizen has long been standard practice 6:05
I don't. Everybody in the Netherlands knows Jewish refugees from Germany were send back to Germany in the 1930s. Everybody in the Netherlands knows that already in 1940 jews were dragged from their houses by Dutch people, put in work camps, and their possessions stolen by the Dutch [and that' why the archives of what really happened in 194-45 are still secret]. Everybody knows the percentage of Jewish population that did not survive the five years of right wing government is substantially higher than in any other European country. So basically, this has nothing to do with the asylum crisis hoax,
enlighten me: why is an eleven year old christian child deported from the Netherlands to a Caucasus nation this christian child was not born in, has never visited, and doesn't understand the local language?
Asylum should only be about offering temporary protection and should not incentivize economic migration. Offer protection to the first safe neighbouring country, and only offer cheap shelter (temporary cabins) and food. Not expensive hotels and apartments in European cities. This way you can help more asylum seekers for less money and they will not take housing from hard working citizens of a country or increase housing demand which leads to unaffordable housing.
Sadly most asylum seekers who get temporarely residence in EU countries notice how much better it is and then won't leave. Heck some live so long in an EU country... they can't leave since they have children born in this country that our technically European citiziens. So they can only deport the parents but not the child. And yea.. it should be cheap.. but the reason they are in expensive hotels and residences is because the cheap stuff ran out. So they have to take stuff that people are barely using wich is expensive housing and hotels. People aren't staying in a 5 star hotel at the beach during winter.. so better put seekers in there and OOPS it's summer now and they can't go back.. but the hotel doesn't care since they are getting paid anyway. Same for expensive appartments with high rent. They are getting paid! But this is one of many reasons why housing in the EU is having problems. But trust me when I say.. that's just 1. The other is envoirmental control of the EU that stopped alot of housing construction across the EU. Even the Netherlands went from 18k new houses per year to... 4k per year, while the growth increased exponetianally. Even a house that is on the verge of collapse is too expensive for new house owners cause they gotta fix it up too.
@@kotlolish I never said that the only reason for unaffordable housing is asylum seekers, and I agree that environmental protectionism is one main reason for less housing supply. To use economic terms, the demand for housing is inelastic, so if you increase demand then prices will only grow. I said what is fair to the citizens of a country and how you could help more for less. Current solution is unfair to both citizens and legal migrants.
@@PwerRanger01 And even between different countries, integration is possible. The problem is that it costs money and our current welfare states aren't capable to do that.
@@diogorodrigues747 You simply can't intergrate non western people especially arabs into western societies without also forcing them to completely destroy their identity. They either assimilate or they are a threat. Because non western people still think it's fine to go around and rape women
You have to end Schengen or secure your borders - the EU cannot continue doing neither. This is tearing the continent apart and is going to destroy governments, perhaps whole nations.
Because the current farright coalition has no solutions of its own and needs a scapegoat, especially as the biggest PVV party has linked any and all problems solely to asylum seeker immigration (
For MOST people the Jimmy Broadbent route might be more feasible. Make a splash in the Sim racing be consistent and probe the sim skills translate to a real car.
In the solidarity mechanism, the taking-in asylum seekers from the frontier countries is not mandatory. You can pay some money in stead of taking migrants in. Central European countries negotiated this option (and were criticized for wanting it). Netherlands can use this option too. The solidarity mechanism allowes for it.
One word answer: "Safety". It was obvious from the start, and they were warned. But hundreds of victims (mostly women and children) had to be sacrificed before they were willing to accept reality.
@TinoMartinelli Recent studies in NL have shown that over 90% of sexual assaults are committed by migrants. Look it up, it was in the Gelderlander news paper!
Precies, dus laten we vooral meer geld uitgeven aan gelukszoekers en asielzoekers. Zie je zelf niet hoe dom je comment is? Immigratie en omvolking zijn de grootste redenen waarom het mis gaat in Europa.
@@Jajalaatmaar this country isent even close to an asum crisis its just badly run and migrants are the scapegoat. 40k migrants is not even close to being in a crisis. Its pretentious and watch how if migration stops we are suddenly somewhow still fucked
Central European states like the Netherlands.
First time I'm getting called central European, dafaq.
We're literally in Central Europe Time
@@Jalmaan yeah but so is most of europe
I also was weirdet out when he said that, but if you look on geopraphy it is technically correct, like germany, switzerland and part of italy
I'm in Belgium and my work place got an award for 'best in Northern Europe' 😅
Should be west or maybe northwest
At this point, which European country is still supporting broad immigration and asylum rights? Even Germany and Spain have changed their stance. Can't we all come together to build a comprehensive solution?
Ideally the EU should become like a giant Israel for Europeans where only people of European ancestry are allowed to immigrate and seek asylum. Unfortunately I don't see that happening. Our so-called leaders are hell-bent on destroying their own people.
This entire thing has been a social experiment. We've been used as guinea pigs against our will.
Germany hasn't. Those are just empty words after surprisingly the far right is on the rise. They are unwilling and unable to stop the home-made immigration disaster in the country
Well, that's gonna take a few years... Hope you like bureaucracy.
@@Lisekplhehe Doesn't have to. When there's an emergency they always get things done in a day.
“Deportation by force”
Only in western countries if this seen as remotely controversial.
Over stay your visa in any other place of the world.
You’ll be arrested, put in a cell, and taken to an airport and put on a plane.
This should not be viewed as controversial in the slightest.
Yes, when I was in the Philippines I was almost daily bombarded with articles by the government celebrating the removal of illegal aliens and people were celebrating it. As a Dutchman this was an absolutely weird thing to see, in the West newspapers would only report on this as something negative, meanwhile in the Philippines "we kicked out this U.S. American pensioner who was convicted of S.A. in those U.S.A.", meanwhile here such people would never even be reported on.
@@-haclong2366
💯 - European people have lost the sense of togetherness and the protection of their ancestral homelands.
Other nations scratch their head in amazement.
@@SM-mz2hz Europeans never really had anything similar other than religion and skin color.
@@ProxiProtogen
Don’t be ridiculous.
Agree! It boggles my mind at how pathetic our government has become
Wow, they had less than B1 level requirement for citizenship language test😮
As a Belarusian in Poland finishing B2 Polish classes, I can say I only start to feel I can comfortably connect with Poles and make jokes and have some charisma in the new language and be rather relaxed in communication
Yes, until last year the requirement was A2 and this requirement was waived for over 60% of all applicants. Half of my colleagues are immigrants, most of them have passed their exams, none of them can order a cup of coffee in Dutch.
Yeah, it's one of the few implications of the new government that I really do approve of. A2 is not enough, B1 should definitely be a minimum requirement, especially since you can only get naturalized after 5 years. If you're not at B1 after 5 years, I'm sorry, but you're just not Dutch enough to get a passport.
@@Jazzisa311I agree, everyone can learn. Although we might need exemptions for people who can't learn very well because of a handicap, brain damage etc.
But that's probably less than 1% of all the applicants.
M’y mom came to America from Mexico, she is so embarrassed but also gets angry when the news interviews Latinos demanding higher wages, rights to housing etc when they can’t speak the language after declaring they’ve lived and worked here for 30 years…..she says see this this why they hate us…😢
So many countries opting out…but what about blocking them at the first EU border in the first place?
And kicking them from a country to the other…oh, what about getting rid of them at the EU level?
Sort of, but delayed until 2026 with GEAS 🙄
You can't hurry politicians, no matter how urgent the issue at hand.
Tortoises would collapse from boredom
Improbable because the primary objective of the liberals in Brussels is to replace the European people. There's no other choice but to leave the EU.
We will likely see a new Schengen Area with stricter outside border control emerging from this mini-Schengen, that will then expand to replace the current Schengen.
Exactly, it's not like Spain, Italy, France, Greece etc don't also have migration issues. There shouldn't be mini-schengen, just update schengen as it is.
Getting rid of them at the EU level and putting them… where? Please tell me you’re not advocating what I think you’re advocating for.
As a Dutch person i don't agree with all the points, but definitely agree with the 10year naturalisation requirement, Dutch language B1 requirement and integration requirements. I have been at naturalisation ceremonies where the people getting their Dutch passports did not even understand the civil servant speaking to them and just smiled and nodded at everything even the bad things that the civil servant had to gently hint at for them to correct their statement. I will also add though that to me i've seen Ukrainian refugees try a lot harder to learn Dutch, speak broken Dutch words to their kids and explaining what it is in Ukrainian and integrate than other refugees so I don't mind continuing to help them.
"Dutch"
I agree there should be a higher level of requirements to acquire the dutch nationality or any EU nationality for that matter. However, this can also be counter-productive for NL if highly qualified EU workers start considering other countries given the high burden of getting a nationality. Imagine wanting to buy a house but not knowing if you will be able to live in the country for any reason (lets suppose Nedxit), i think people would think about staying there twice. I have a good example of an English friend who just got her Belgian nationality, probably she wouldn't have stayed here if she had to wait 10 years for it.
Wouldnt raising the language level to b1 already solve the thing you're talking about.
@@StoddardianGo outside
B1 is too low , requirement should be B2 or C1. And naturalisation should be made after a neighborhood survey like it is done in Switzerland.
We want an opt out, because we are the most densly populated country of Europe. We just don't have the space to take another million people in just a few years. We don't have enough houses and we can 't built enough houses due to EU regulations.
Exactly. Even people who aren't allowed to stay often just stay anyways for long periods of time. Then they have a kid and now it's big deal, understandably cause sending away a kid that was born here is kinda messed up. We need to actually kick out anyone who doesn't meet the requirements for staying here. And do that within a reasonable time frame.
Even if you do have space, you shouldn’t be taking in Muslim refugees who are mostly men and most likely would just increase crime rates, r@pe the women and minors and vandalize your beautiful country. This is coming from an Ex-muslim.
@@dukkiegamer1733 its fucked up they get kids just so they can stay.
@@dukkiegamer1733 limited infrastructure to progress migrants.. the same people that voted PVV were against the spreidingswet/spreadinglaw that would address the infrastructure bottleneck causing immigration processes to grind down to a near halt. Its as if voters dont know what they are voting for
Except that's not happening. Don't believe racist fear monger Wilders...
Borders will come somewhere
- around the EU
- around the country
- gated communities
we just can choose where...
exactly. the borders are already in peoples minds. one of our greatest assets is the social cohesion or our society and its being undermined this way
@@JSK010 Dutch citizenship is the most valuable thing Dutch government can offer, they get it for being on welfare for 5 years living in house appropriated by government for them.
@@JSK010Mandala system in Asia: allow me to introduce myself.
let the melting begin....
How are you going to place a border between Holland and Belgium 🤣🤣
Every country around the EU is voting against asylum seekers. Why can't we just change the EU law and stop mandatory accepting of asylum seekers altogether, and leave it to the individual states to accept or turn them away. That would take the wind out of the far right's sail, and we could finally return to reasonable centrist governments.
How did appeasing Hitler work? The far right will just move to lgbt issues, than comprise with them they will target black people, than anyone not part of the aryan race, than death camps
It's a hot topic across the entire continent and like you say, the inevitable is happening now. They need to actually start listening to people instead of acting like the issue will go away, because it won't and is growing every day.
It's not that easy when EU countries have an open boarder.
In truth, the real problem is having open boarders whiles at the same time having individual countries doing their own things when it comes to the boarder and immigration.
It's a crazy situation to have one without the other and think it can work with 27 different policies, in other words, if we really want open boarders among EU countries, which I suspect most want, then we need the EU to have more powers in areas like enforcing the EU boarder and on immigration, and basically, the real problem isn't the EU as such, but 27 different countries having their own policies in an open boarder union, that's where the real problem is, and it would be a real shame if EU countries continue to close boarders as that's taking away one of the biggest benefits of being in the EU for its citizens.
To put it another way, we can't have our cake and eat it, if we want open boarders, then the EU needs the powers in those areas to enforce them, in other words, the real problem is being caused by EU countries all pulling in different directions, and if we are not careful, we could end up with boarders being permanently closed in the union for EU citizens.
@@paul1979uk2000 I believe the EU could still function without freedom of movement. (Get the pitchforks ready)
Giving the far right what they want won't deprive them of power, it will just legitimize and embolden them. Why is the "centrist" solution to every problem to stonewall the left and capitulate to the right?
As mentioned by other commentators: The reasons these problems exist is BECAUSE politicians fail to adhere to U.N. rules to begin with.
The statuses of 'Refugee' and 'Asylee' are simple: Applicants *MUST* demonstrate they are fleeing from a *declared* war zone (Refugee) OR demonstrate they are a targeted group in their country of origin (Asylee.) Then they must make application in the nearest *CONTIGUOUS* (which means 'land locked') safe nation to their own. The reason these limitations exist is to prevent exactly what's transpired since 2015,..people shopping around the globe in preferred nations for status. These are 'EMERGENCY' statuses,..not products of casual shopping for the best deal. Holding politicians accountable is the only way to curtail such malicious fraud.
The problem exists because thousands of violent criminals are flooding into Europe. Europeans have failed to protect Europe.
There is nothing that requires asylum seekers to go to the nearest safe country. So that is wrong.
@@socratic-programmer Wrong. The Dublin pact. A refugee must claim asylum in the first European country they enter. But the majority is shopping around to get the best benefits.
Well said @pepleatherlab3872
@@tcdrxthe Dublin regulation is an EU regulation, not UN. As you mention, it's about first country of entry to the EU (or another member country), not the first country contiguous to the asylee's home country as OP suggests. It would also not be sensible to require that asylees can only travel by land in the first place.
IMO it's also a policy that doesn't work for anyone. It's pure NIMBY-ism. Under such a policy, 'border' countries would get inundated with refugees purely based on proximity, while the rest don't. This concentrates the problem in a small area, which is when it becomes a genuine problem. Providing safety is a global effort, we shouldn't saddle a handful of countries with that. We shouldn't flood Germany, but neither should we flood Egypt etc.
According to asymlum rules, refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they cross. So the only people who qualify for refugee status are Ukranians and Belorussians. All others have tried to enter the EU from a safe country, so by law they are actually required to apply for asylum there.
Hilarious how the same simple point gets made 8 years later and still falls on deaf ears.
"Refugees" is the word used when most of the time they should be called economic migrants, since that is the real reason they are migrating.
Pretty sure Syrians, Afghanis, Ukrainians, Palestinians, ETC...
are escaping actual war @@sergioTGH
Shush, they don't like people with a brain and common sense. You'll get labeled a Far Right Fascist!
@@sergioTGHLet me guess, you don't know any refugees personally, right? No one who actually talks to these people instead of relying on social media 'information' would make such ridiculous claims.
I remember when Czechs, Poles, Slovaks and Hungarians were saying the EU migration policy is a terrible idea more than a decade ago. We were called all sorts of names and no one listened.
Yes, it is still xenophobic and racist
Yes exactly, very easy to be judgmental and high and mighty when you don't have the same problems.
@TinoMartinelliThat they were right, and your worldview was proven to be plainly wrong.
@TinoMartinelli Your worldview is neoliberalism, whether or not you identify that way.
@@00PlPu00and very clean and safe.
It has become habit though that they anounce very big plans, to in the end get nothing done at all.
Immigration has become a bigger theme this elections mainly because of the housing crisis, which was the main bullet point for all of last election. In the end they haven't managed to improve anything in terms of housing, so they shift focus away with this migrant thing. Sure there's other issues with immigration, but it never should've been the biggest issue on the agenda in the elections. They've just accepted that the bigger issues like the housing crisis they're just not solving.
Same cycle is already starting again, just compare the recent statements from parties like the BBB and PVV. Literally anything they promised in their election campaigns they're now publicly backtracking on (because most was unrealistic to begin with). In the end the 'farmer's party' the BBB is now accepting the last government's exact same plan for agriculture, which they openly attacked before. In the end the PVV will accept some minor changes on immigration laws which will affect maybe 2% of the issue and they'll call it a win.
I've learned to not worry about what these politicians say, in the end they barely manage to change anything anyways.
That is populist parties for you. Not only will nothing change but now you also have the most corrupt and anti democratic people at the steering wheel
Keep telling yourself that Migrants arent a gigantic Problem
So if nothing gets done then the housing crisis keeps getting bigger and bigger until the PVV get a majority government and finally gets something done.
Jep and the Nexit is becoming the only choice so keep saying no we will fucking leave
@@RopekingRopethemall Well yes a lot of what the elected parties claimed as their agenda is against EU agreements. So without leaving the EU none of that is actually likely to happen. When reality kicked in after elections the politicians have realized that and are backtracking on everything they said.
So either we decide to stay in the EU, but we need to then stop voting for dumb populist claims in the elections. Or we should decide these issues are so major that leaving the EU is now an option. Right now we're voting populist parties that claim things that go against EU laws, but at same time don't have a majority that would want to leave the EU. Is just very weird to me.
As a Dutch person: nothing will change. They say they do, but they will not.
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Same happened with Lijst Pim Fortuyn, they said that they'd decrease immigration back in 2001, but nothing happened and the E.U. blocked all proposals.
And I'm glad. At least the people with the worst ideas are also the most incompetent.
The "new" Schengen looking suspiciously familiar👀
Holy European Union
@@prohacker5086 it's accurate to the original, its not holy, or european, or a union
@@Fred_the_1996 It's the Tower of Babel, lol.
I wonder what Hindu symbol they'll use this time
LMAO@@Fred_the_1996
Nothing wrong with forced deportation. We have around 200k people in Canada who have been given deportation orders who remain because they know we won't actually force them out. Nothing wrong with picking them up and sending them home on a plane.
If you say there is nothing wrong then we all will have to take your word for it, I guess...
My guy you’re advocating a crime against humanity
^ the most intelligent supporter of forced deportation. it doesn't get any better folks.
🤣🤣🤣 no it’s not
@@malegria9641 Many of these people are here illegally, or have come from safe countries. A sizable portion commit crimes, threaten local citizens and are overall a nuisance. If someone flees to another country and then abuses the freedom they receive, they forfeit any claim to human rights. They dont deserve our solidarity.
With more countries against the migration pact which forces migrants or fines, it's possible a large enough block forms that can have power in the EU.
Rather that than some idiotic individual projects.
@@kristof6472it all starts with individual nations enforcing their power on the eu though.
Think of Poland or sweden with the migrants, italy with the refugee camp in albania or Germany with the border checks recently.
These are after all individual nations and are free to do so if they accept the repercussions from the eu (a slap on the wrist so to say).
These nations can also deny any reform until their demands are met.
This all will force the eu to give concessions or reform its entire foreign policy in time.
@@kevinbot1314 its a stupid mechanism within the EU.....we need to remove the veto power of single nations, increase fines or we might as well resolve the political union and go back to coal and stell union.....the EU is braindead as a political institution when every member state can overrule anything just becasue he doesnt like it
Yeah, I feel that the EU as a whole is going to be reformed to reflect modern challenges and reality. We cannot save the world from all of their problems nor can the whole world population come to the EU. Technically, more than 1/3 of the whole world population lives under dictatorships or undemocratic countries -- what should we do? Import 3 billion people here? It's time for these self-righteous and self-destructive policies to be scrapped and to confront reality.
@@kevinbot1314 Even though I liked your comment, I have to add one caveat. The only countries that can do that now are countries that the EU bureaucracy cannot afford to lose, either because they are net contributors to the EU budget, or because of their military or geopolitical importance. Hungary was recently slapped with a fine of 200 million euros, plus 1 million euro per further day of non-compliance, for not following the EU directives on accepting refugees. That fine is certainly not just a slap on the wrist for Hungary, or any other EU country with a small economy.
It's only after most countries important enough for the Commission start enforcing their power on it, that it will cave and enact reform.
Europeans must realize that the supply of these migrants is basically infinite.
Yeah it's crazy that Lefties think it's morally good to take in Asylum seekers.
Don't they realize that for every migrant you take in 10 more get born?
Like taking in migrants literley takes away money from development funds that can actually make a difference in making Africa more stable.
We should close the borders and work together with the African Union to make Africa more stable and stop taking in Migrants.
These migrants need to go back and develop their own nations so they can start making a life for themselves.
I'm Dutch and it is just all symbolism to tell their supporters that it's not their fault, but the EU's
wrong
And they are right. It is the EU's fault.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Yes but people forget... we are the EU
well its super easy to blame the EU or germany when you fcked up your national policies....i mean its happening all the time in every EU member state^^
I mean, did EU truly have an asylum policy a few years ago? I always thought the countries have their own national policy until recently.
I don’t agree with measures that simply make the immigration problem the problem of Southern countries such as Italy or Spain.
Protecting the EU/Schengen borders must be a joint effort by all countries and only when countries feel the pain from illegal immigration will they be willing to spend the money on reducing the pressure on all other countries.
yes agreed but hard to agree on at the European level. so this is the "second-best" solution
It's not that difficult to protect your borders. Ukraine manages against the armed forces of Russia. I'm sure Italy could manage with illegal migrants not even having a land border.
I'm all in favor of an opt-out for every country in the EU until we can start solving the fundamental problem.
There will never be any joint effort. Why should the North share South`s problems?
When they do all it does is empower the far right.
More immigration=less cooperation and more anti immigrant parties in power.
This is BS. Everyone is willing to spend money to stop this invasion and human smuggling by NGOs.
It's being blocked by leftist activist judges and politicians, the problem is not money, it's ideology/politics.
Forcing an invasion upon sovereign countries is insanity, whatever bs logic you try to spin.
I don't see any super strict policies? Only common sense.
Calling you personal preference "common sense" is just... something
@@00PlPu00 I express my opinion in my comment, obviously it refers to my views? Not sure what you're surprised about.
@@marcvb3364 You called it "common sense". I already explained.
@@00PlPu00 Obviously "common sense" is subjective. Otherwise the world would live in harmony, Einstein.
@@00PlPu00 If you ask all the members of the UN, I guess 95 % of them would have no objection to the Dutch policies. Perhaps a few woke White nations would have panic attacks.
I remember reading someone's comment on this channel saying "As usual TLDR gets things half right and half wrong" as if they didn't read because it was too long.
Still true to this day about this channel.
Care to explain? Or do you just like calling people wrong and vanish like an uneducated netizen who cannot make any points for arguments and relies solely on emotions to sow division? You are supposed to let us know which part is "half right" and which part is "half wrong" before defaming their channel.
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EU needs to enforce its borders, reject boaters and disallow entrance from safe countries.
i particularly agree with the last part. people from safe countries don't need to go to the eu, they already have a safe country to be part of!
These are what we call "ECONMICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS"
They are fleeing to the EU to get money to send back to their country where it's worth a lot more. Especially popular in welfare countries like The Netherlands who had a history of people using unemployement benefits to go back to their country to live like kings with no work.
These days it's not as bad... but yea.. these "safe country asylum seekers" 9/10 they throw away their IDs and papers and say they are from an unsafe country. If you can't be identified from a safe country... the asylum program will try to track you down, but will allow you to have that spot for that duration and when it takes too long... good luck getting them out.
People migrated since humanity started to use only two legs. Your proposition won't "solve" anything.
The problem is that in order for Brussels to enforce E.U./Schengen borders, it needs actual, compulsive authority over migration policy, i.e. the right to police national borders, process claims through an E.U. bureau, and, if necessary, force member states to accept the decisions of that bureau. That would be a huge transfer of authority from the national to the European level. Personally, I think it would be an overall improvement, but the Geert Wilders, Le Pens, and Orbans of Europe would throw a fit.
@Feefa99 Borders existed forever, capitalist stooge
None of this sounds unreasonable or "anti-democratic".
The anti-democratic bit is about using an emergency law to get extra power while the opposition argues it is not the emergency it was intended for.
They sign a agreement and then wanna go against the terms of the agreement. Flip floping
Seriously? No legal assitance for asaylum seakers?
I think the ‘anti-democratic’ criticism was in response to the shift of responsibility from parliament to the government. That shift may or may not clash with the Dutch constitution, that’s for Dutch courts to assess.
Generally, oppositions label any shift of responsibility from parliament to government as ’anti-democratic’, so I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Except the part about declaring the crisis status to pass the laws. The current government doesn't have a majority to pass new laws, so they seek to declare a crisis situation which would allow them to bypass the usual workings of government and bypass the opposition. That is the most anti democratic thing imaginable, as their entire aim is to bypass the whole system.
The text says "criminal offences" and the speaker says "nuisances" as the cause for declaring 'undesirability'. Clearly, not the same!
Also, the speaker sasy "deporting as many people as possible", implying ALL the people implied, while the text says this applies to "people without a residence permit". I do not know what this means exactly, but I had to watch this video twice because I could not believe that what the speaker was saying was part of an official document. Summarize when needed but do not summarize more than what is right.
They call it "strictest ever"... I heard nothing that is unlogical or "extreme"
It is the strictest, but that doesn't per se make it extreme.
@westarrr nice profile picture
Freezing all asylum applications is pretty extreme. Imagine arriving as a refugee in a country, with incontrovertible proof you are fleeing from your life from an evil regime, and having a government suit say "we are freezing applications".
Duh, news shouldn't be biased...
thatt's because the overton window has shifted to the left. the pvv is being called far right, but it is a centrist party
Simple answer, the population does not think sacrificing their safety is a good trade off for food delivery drivers and unemployed migrants who cant speak the language.
It seems widespread clash of values & public safety perceptions, are the things driving this shift. 😶❤️
Asylum isn't about labour at all, it's about helping people who need help. It's absolutely fair to think that you can only help so many and your generosity has a limit, but these people are absolutely not there to work the bottom jobs of society
@@Aspartame69 Food delivery drivers are not necessarily asylum seekers.
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I agree, im in favor of migration. But not at this level, all migrants do is form groups among themselves and never assimilate. It didn't use to be like this, but when done on this scale its just not working.
When Denmark does this, you pretend you don't see it. When The Netherlands proposes this, you carefully consider it. But when any country east of Vienna suggests it, we are deemed fascists, illiberal, undemocratic and everything else that comes to your minds. You owe us an apology!
I don't owe you anything, a lot of people in western Europe always agreed with you, but you think the government listen to its people? I can tell you they don't
Apology for what? Countries east of Vienna don't even receive asylum applications. The Netherlands alone received 39.710 applications last year and granted more than 11.000. Do you know how many Hungary granted? 7. Slovakia? 23. Poland, which is 7 times bigger and has twice the population of the Netherlands, accepted a fourth of what the Netherlands has accepted. And that's still nothing compared to Cyprus, Belgium or Austria. So wtf are you whining about?
Yeah eastern governments only operate in immigration policies they are not totally russian shill 😂😂😂
We don't owe you anything. Millions of Easteners have move to the West while very few Westeners have moved to the East...
I stand with the eastern europeans, we need to form a common fist, an European fist against the non western migrants so we can save our own cultures before it's too late!
If you take in half of Afghanistan, you do not help Afghanistan, you turn into Afghanistan. I am German and I am seriously worried about de-industrialisation and the unchecked immigration in Germany. Germany is totally falling apart. Even making immigration deals with Kenia and Usbekistan to import 250.000 people plus families as"skilled workers" while feeding 5,5 mio people on social benefits!!! So ridiculous! Everything we stood for in the past decades, our values, tradition, engineering skills, even our punctuality (public transportation) is intentionally being drained. The moment you critisize any of these developments, you are immediatly called a Nazi by the Woke, the leftist Establishment as well as the government . I never believed in the theory of population exchange as the initial step to create the "United Staates of Europe". I do now.
This is why the right winged parties need to rise and if this problem doesn't get fixed in the next few years it might be upon us the people to take power by force in order to save our future
@@teaser6089 alright buddy calm down lets get you back down to reality
Might be good to include the discussions around this as well, the opposition has some things to say about it. Usually the Dutch dont all agree with each other. We have a word for this: polderen. (making land below the sea) This means that all parties make a compromise.
While oppositions always have things to say, it's not a random event for Dutch people to vote for this government, immigration, housing, all leading to problems people deem greater than focus parties on the left.
Environmental norms for example are less important to people when it slows down construction of new housing during a housing crisis made worse by unregulate immigration.
Imagine the hysteria if a certain Eastern-European country would propose these ideas
The pvv was one to criticize eastern Europe, pvv is truly a clown party and many of us are ashamed.
@@escwilde222 Ashamed of what? You should be ashamed Rotterdam looks like Morocco.
@@escwilde222 Wilders maintains strong ties with Orban. What are you on about?
@@Elucidator- just because he praised Orban, doesn't mean he didn't said the Polish were taking our money, that the Slovakian government was 'corrupt', that Romania and Bulgaria were too primitive to capture criminals, that Oekraine has to think about it's corruption and Russia maybe then would stop etc. Orban shares Wilders viewpoints, of course he gets praises. Wilder's wife after all is Hungarian. One of those 'immigrants' taking our jobs and homes who's he so against.
@@Stoddardian actually, I live in Rotterdam and I feel very at home. Came from the north where people are the most racist yet have the least experience with non Dutch looking people. Rotterdam makes me feel safe at night, makes me feel comfortable when walking in the streets and makes me feel joyful because people are actually nice here and more mindful about themselves instead of judging others. I say that as a born Drenth, with Frisian parents raised in Groningen. Rotterdam is not an argument against multiculturalism, it's an argument to promote it.
But the "crime", dude it's everywhere. Brabant is drugsland all in Dutch farms, Groningen has trouble with stabbing incidents and confused middle aged people who need mental attention, Rotterdam has the biggest port of Europe, so yes violence appears, but not in everyday life and not because Fatima lives here. It's because it's the biggest port also for Germany their rhine lands, France and the northern part of the country, etc. All the way to Switzerland. It's a so-called logical hotspot.
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You would think that the EU would reflect the views of its citizens. Who the hell wants uncontrolled migration or asylum?
There isn't uncontrolled asylum and migration. It's very controlled. It's just easy to say when your government makes a mess of things to blame other parties. Don't fall for the populism bud
There is no uncontrolled migration. Have you tried to follow the relentless procedure migrants have to go through? And seeking asylum is a right mentioned in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
@@00PlPu00scum
it does....the majority of people dont want pushbacks or closed borders or border controlls everywhere.....just becasue you are louder, doesnt mean you got a majority mate, not how democracy works
Over 70% of Europeans said migration is the biggest threat to Europe, you are living on your own delusional bubble
Us French are rejected of the mini Schengen? Daaamn
Sadly you are fr*nch so yes
France already looking to surrender right here
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Not aryan enough.
@@JakromhaAryan doesnt excist
Pushbacks and deportation need to be normalised, you also need some system of punishment that is cheap and effective before deportation to disincentive returns
Don't think its good but this will probably be the end game.
Just look at the number of people in for example Marokko (one of the main immigrant groups in NLD): this doubled from 20 million in 1980 to almost 40 million (!) now.
In the meantime no real economic or societal development, now with climate change dwindling resources. So the young people there complain "here we have no opportunities, we want to go Europe".
Its going to be a massive flood of people.
Problem there is that there is such a system and the Netherlands doesn't have an asylum seeker crisis. There's a housing crisis.
Migration from refugees is
Pushback and deportation dont work.
We need humane and well funded systems to help people integrate throughout the EU.
The current methods are cruel and economical suicide.
@@saggitaril4044 why? we have no need for them. we have tried for years and all these migrants have brought is economic strain, crime and cultural conflict. they have nothing to offer to the EU and it's people and we owe them nothing.
@@saggitaril4044 LOL
Every European wants to opt out from that insanity
This all sounds very familiar to the pre-brexit rhetoric in the UK in 2015.
we have a totally different system, in which smaller parties can actually influence policy in a major way.
It is
Yep, thank you. This doomed-to-fail fabricated immigration crisis will, in all likelihood, cause our far right parties to allow themselves a more euroskeptic stance, down to possibly calling for a Nexit of some kind. It's scary as hell, and people are blindly walking into it.
Well luckily seeing UK's outcome, no one is willing to sacrifice economy for their nationalist believes anymore which is great.
@@rytisgluoksnys4505 yes i agree. NEXIT quietly left the party program of the right wing PVV last elections.
Another difference with the UK is that you had (have) Brexiteers on both the left on the right, in NLD not so much.
I would just like to mention that the Dutch prime minister has said that the reason for this anti-democratic reform is because "The people feel like there is an asylum crisis" and "Numbers don't actually say that much".
They openly admit that they're declaring a national crisis based on people's feelings. Because blaming everything on immigrants is easier than actually fixing healthcare, education and housing which they promised they would fix.
I thought all feelings were valid??? I feel like a woman right now
The Dutch, with a population of 17.9 million people, all living within a total area of 16,160 sq mls-of which the land area is only 12,900 sq miles and taking in FORTY THOUSAND "asylum seekers" (economic migrants) a year, I'd say the CITIZEN'S "feelings" that there is a crisis in THEIR homeland are legitimate. BTW, these are NOT immigrants - they're illegal migrants from Africa and the ME who are stampeding into Europe for the rich benefits. Period. Almost no one in Europe wants any more of them and most would love to see them repatriated back to own their homelands.
If voters want fewer immigrants, it is hardly your job to tell them that their priorities are wrong?! There are no "right" or "wrong" priorities in politics, only different choices.
Have you seen Ter Apel?
It's a national crisis because this is what the voters have asked for and it hasn't been taken care of.
As a resident in NL, I think the crux of the problem here is that it takes them far too long to process asylum requests. Therefore, the backlog just grows. The ones who genuinely need asylum get mixed with others and then it becomes a difficult situation.
For example; There's one case at the moment where a woman was denied her request and must be deported. Except... She has an 11 Yr old son, who is Dutch (if not technically, then culturally), because he was born here and lived his whole life here. So, it took over 11 years to process her case and now her son, who is entirely Dutch, has to be deported? This is not their fault, at this point, but the system.
TLDR; NL and the greater EU won't fix this by pushing back. They need to process them all faster.
I agree that it is the system's fault, but imagine they now cancel the deportation, does that not just tell every person trying to get in the Netherlands: YOOO Get a baby in you asap and they can not deport you!!
It is a very harsh decision but in my opinion it should be made, the whole reason we are in this crisis is because we have been too forgiving and lenient, this good heart approach simply gets abused unfortunately..
Ze moeten allemaal OPTYFEN
This is by design. The government has been divesting from public services, including the sector that deals with processing asylum seekers, for more than a decade. This is neoliberal crap.
That's not what happened.
Her request and appeal to the high Court was denied within the first year of her coming here (14 years ago).
She chose to "dissappear" and "reappear" at times to file another, different request. Whilst the other requests are active, she cannot be kicked out of the country.
This has gone on for about 14 years now, 14 years of abusing the generous legal system.
The real issue is that she wasn't immediately removed from the country when her first request and appeal was denied.
@@stefanverweij1684 indeed we just need to stop accepting new migrants process the people that we have now
Its all impossible, until it is possible
As a descendent of Dutch settlers and having recently returned to the Netherlands following the legal process, I fully support these changes.
If you want to live in a country you have to learn the language and adopt the customs. You should be grateful for the opportunity to live in such a country and work to integrate and improve the country as a thank you to it and it's people.
africans can't do that .. have no menthal capacity to grasp the concept of organized society
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The boat is full. We are already one of if not the most dense populated country in Europe (excluding microstates like monaco maybe). There are too many of us, all of us, but as far as I believe one can't start killing off half the population to make room, and as far as I know one can also not ask the actual citizens of a country to frick off. So then the sollution is to limit what comes in. And all those people and parties saying it's not true and we are not full and that migration is blown up are just closing their eyes for the problem. The boat is full
I mean... they did in the 1960s with the migrant wave to Canada... but nobody wants that to happen again xD
Blaming all your problems on literally the poorest and least powerful people in your country smh. You know who is really responsible for your problems, and it's not them.
Nonsense. There's plenty space, for example we can stop meat farming, which we largely don't need (iirc 80% of produce is exported)
How about we just build more houses and make them bigger than 2 floors?
LIES, RACISM. YUCK!
Wait, do we not currently deport people who don't possess a residence permit?? How is that not already standard
There would be a simple solution to all of this:
1.) Common law across the EU
2.) A migration law like the swedish modell (and Hungary isn‘t wrong with its policy aswell…)
3.) Finally make migration to the EU so unattractive that syrians, etc. stay in their country and solve their problems instead of migrating…
4.) what should happen:
a.) EU outer border countries should recieve support/compensation from the EU for controlling the border.
b.) No entry without a proper immigration process; meaning they stay out until processed.
c.) Entry only with proper documents
For illegal immigrants in the EU: Produce the required documents or be deported outside the next EU outer border or their home country.
Agreed. Don't dangle a huge carrot in front of a rabbit and be surprised he jumps over the fence to get it. Removing the carrot is the simplest solution.
So clear and simple, yet somehow so difficult to obtain unfortunately. I think it will go country by country that closes it borders eventually. A domino effect.
It’s relatively simple, but hard to achieve due to how many people (in the governments too) still are pro- mass migration for some reason. They probably think that most asylum seekers from outside of Europe are young men from Africa and the Middle East, that their beliefs and cultures clash so hard with ours that they look down on us at best and hate us at worst, that they’re overrepresented in the crime rates in Western Europe and that they only come here because they know they can get everything for free here, not because they’re “(economic) refugees” are far right wing conspiracy theories. And even if they know the truth about the mass migration issue, they often still go “but we must help these people, and cultural diversity is great for our country and we need them for labour, as our population is aging!”
(They were never told which demographic groups are most responsible for the increase in acts of hate, violence and harassment against women, Jewish people and people of the lgbt community). People are either ignorant or afraid to be seen as a fascist or racist as far as I’ve seen.
Stop supporting war effort by U.S. first, then pay reparation for the former colony for them to develop, or none of this approach will have any significant impact other than performative cruelty.
No matter how unattractive EU immigration law is, how strong EU border patrol or how degraded EU culture is, being an illegal EU immigrant is still orders of magnitude better than a citizen in a war torn or economically exploited Ukraine, middle east nation or African nation.
@@whensonzhou4174 The 'reparation' to former colonies has already been given basically ever since these former colonies became independent 50 to 75 years ago in the shape of billions in foreign aid money. That this money largely ended up in the pockets of a few corrupt leaders and their entourages is not our problem.
These former colonies rather have to elect trustworthy politicians with integrity that actually give somewhat of a rat's arse about its people, so that they actually build up the country rather than just their own bank accounts.
Thank god, hope the rest of europe follows suit with similar policies
How would that improve your life?
@@00PlPu00housing prices won't inflate as fast anymore, terrorist attacks like the one in solingen will get less likley and most importantly europe will remain mostly ethnically european.
Safety is essential
@@00PlPu00My sister can walk safely at night without Arabs or Africans trying to assault her
Crazy right?
One interpretation of increasing the standards for remaining in-country could be that they're getting tougher on immigrants -- and it's clear that they are in some ways -- but requiring that they work is likely more a move toward permanent residency. In the case of Ukraine, I don't think its neighbours have much intention to encourage Ukrainians to return to Ukraine even when the hostilities end. Can you imagine Germany or The Nederlands giving up tens to hundreds of thousands of productive workers under the median age? The EU extension of temporary protection status for Ukrainians was to benefit the EU. I wouldn't say they intended to harm Ukraine, but they knew their decision would make it harder for Ukraine to survive the war and rebuild afterwards. Completely counter-productive to the war effort.
Migrants already need to work to enter, unless they have a family member sponsoring them. To not mix migrants and refugees, whose rights are protected by the Declaration of Human Rights.
The other coalition parties are not silent about it: they agree with every word that is said.
Go watch the broadcast of WNL of the vice-ministers being interviewed. They are in agreement.
As a Dutch person I'm deeply embarrassed by our Parliament.
Deport!
You first.
@@Feefa99Islam cult
Love how anything right of Karl Marx is seem as 'far right' by TDLR News
The previous government did nothing about the migration crisis they did not have any plans for it. In the Netherlands we have a massive housing crisis. We Dutchies are not prioritized for housing, the so called '''refugees'' are. And people are done with this and the Muslim attacks. Yes the new government needs to do something about it but the EU has too much power so whatever we want won't get through. Very undemocratic in my opinion. I don't want to leave the EU, but i want countries to be more sovereign to make choices.
Kicking out migrants is not gonna solve the housing crisis. That's gonna take market regulation, deprivatization, improving wages, redistributing power from the landlord to the tenant, and so on. But this coalition is doing none of that. Bullying a few migrants will do very little except calming your racist tendencies.
@@wesleys4507 A load of nonsense. The housing crisis wasn't created because of asylum seekers. They're being used as scapegoats. The true main reason is the liberalisation off the housing market by ten years of liberal right wing government. This made houses more expensive to buy for regular people, while in the mean time they forced social housing corporations to sell of part of their houses. Lots of these houses are being sold to expats (of which there are far more then asylum seekers) and speculators. This trend has been worsened by the fact that multiple liberal governments didn't implement EU rulings on emissions in agriculture and were forced by the High Court to do so. Resulting in the fact that The Netherlands can't build as many new houses as are needed.
And this government isn't just blaming asylum seekers for the housing crisis but for other problems mostly created by policies of liberal governments. The same liberals that still are part of this current government.
I know someone close to me that works with criminals. 99% of them are not Dutch. The Dutch government can not send them back to where they came from and therefore it costs about 2000 euros per person per day with regular care. This does not include any of the damages they inflict, which is on a regular basis. This also does not include any of the legal system, police, and additional medical emergency that they require. And that is just on the position they work at, there are plenty of those locations for criminals to reintegrate into society. There are even documentaries on this by the NPO (Dutch public tv) that go into closed instances where the criminality is a lot worse. And 99% of them are again not Dutch.
The housing market is already packed and tight. Urban places where immigrants are placed often are messed up with lots of trash scattered around, gardens unkept, criminality.
I have had an open mind about immigration in the past, in the after-war era The Netherlands was rebuilt with immigrant workers, to which I am grateful. They helped and found their place in society. From what I have been experiencing, the current immigrant does no such thing and only takes up valuable resources that we currently are short on. Resources like housing, medical care, mental care, etc.
I think a stronger control on what is coming in, for instance having a B1 skill of language, is needed. However, I am not sure if the plans that are on the table now will be passed through or will work. Curious to see where this is going.
I believe asylum seekers already need to pass B1 level Dutch since 2023. A2 level is only for the people who want to take citizenship voluntarily.
I like the new parlament design, especially with splitting it into 8ths. I would like to add that you only get to make circles or rectangles, not both
I am EU citizen and don't think that we have to force our people unwillingly to provide food and housing for non EU migrants and other criminals.
You're literally saying that non EU migrants are criminals by saying "other criminals" no idea if that's your intention, but I am making you aware you are.
Cos they're not from the EU doesn't mean they're criminals.
The right to seek asylum is on the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
How do you know that@@fallenclara
@@00PlPu00and it say to seek 1st safe nation
Can’t believe they want to ditch on Poland who was first to call out stupid migration policies lol
instead of apologizing and strengthening the EU borders
Everyone wants to opt out of it. That Pact should be scrapped and EU countries should decide about migration on their own except of 1 things: Defending EU borders. All kinds of help and funds should be directed to make our borders safe.
I don't
What are the positives of brin in the pact exactly? Opt in you get infinity migrants you have to pay for. Opt out you get infinity fines you have to pay for.
BTW, the reforms to the naturalisation had started BEFORE the latest election, so don't blame the new government.
If the EU genuinely cared about these people instead of just seeing them as cheap labour for their corporate pals they would have ALSO enforced and help pay for the construction of the necessary infrastructure (housing, hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists etc) to support them!
EU already hates migrants, no one will agree to give them resources.
Check online how much the EU disburses for similar projects already. Then try to find what Member States are actually doing with this HUGE pile of money. That’s where it gets effy… No transparency, in countries like Hungary you see huge rampant corruption cases. Then they like to blame the EU for this and opt-out of EU responsibilities and just try to reap the benefits from all European taxpayers money.
lol....what do you think has been happening in europe since 2016 excatly????We are building schools, hospitals asylum centers and what not....its just at a slow pace but its happening al over europe, well most of it.......saying europe doesnt care about them is factually on the same level as saying the earth is flat lol
The states hold almost all of the money. The EU has a (relatively) really smal budget and in no way big enough to make an effective change in the policy areas u mention. Almost all of their power is thus trough the laws they make which needs to pass through the Parlement whom we vote ourselves fore. The states also need to lay the general direction of the union. So for these problems the states are way more responsible than the union.
That's the issue, it is expensive to integrate them. The comment section is however worryingly inclining to the idea that they are non-integrable.
i thought that diversity is their strength.
It is not
Up to a point that's true. But there are limits. This system is broken and in my view should be solved on a European level.
@@wandeling127It's not a strength in any social sense. Differences in beliefs and identity mean more division and conflict. Diversity exclusively benefits multinational corporations.
It's not, actually it's been repeatedly proven that diversity is actually detrimental to social cohesion and drastically reduce social capital😅 it's only good for the big capitalists who need cheap workforce to exploit
@@peterjones5243 Not having a echo chamber of uniformity is a strength in a social sense, differences in beliefs is clearly a strength, but its comes with a host of negatives as well.
Really wish people would stop pretending its only bad or only good.
Man we need this kind of policy here in Canada too
@TinoMartinelli 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Hi mate, it will be nice if there was a price tab on imprint. 20% discount means less if one can't clearly see the original price
They can't do nothing being part of the EU
The EU is quickly becoming a choose your own adventure union.
Lol, dream on. 😌❤
This is just standard "politics signaling for the masses".
Part of the national negotiations with the EU, by using public media.
Business as usual.
@@elektrotehnik94 I have to agree with op. Just taking schengen for example, it is very unclear to me how different countries putting up different border policies unilaterally is in line with Schengen absent a new law being passed at the EU level. It gets especially ridiculous when it is harder to think of an EU country that didn't do it at some point than did.
Always was, I like the idea of the EU but I oppose it because of the blatant cheery picking of the bits countries like and the ignoring of the rest. Its a joke, and has been since it started.
I think EU could never really expect that all countries can do the same when all countries are different of size and amount of available homes and space. I dont know what EU was thinking when they were deciding we could take unlimited amounts of immigrants
No one cared, if was idepgical and definitely hefty amount of good, old corruption was involved all across Europe - illegals were a good business. Housing them alone was great way of siphoning public funds into pockets of intrest groups while also maintaining popular support.
I won't make expert on that, I mostly read about Irish exploits, also Italian and Swedish (in Sweden it was more about building asylums and business with construction companies) but I doubt elsewhere motivations were different.
If you don't know what it was about it was about the money - it's a simple rule but it works more often than you would think. People might have hard time to believe that such issues were escalated for so cheap and there might be extra ideological motivation but if someone doesn't resist then situation can easily escalate. Same goes for unopposed school bully, same goes for politicians that get no proper negative feedback.
Good for the Netherlands!
...why?
It's not like we told you...
But we told you
Greetings from Hungary
Ye and we told u ur losing your democracy, greetings from a place where your vote actually counts
Look, a bigot
Bro you live in Hungary
Hungary has thrown way it's democracy in the process. It's a corrupt state without a free press and sucking up to Putin and China to survive. No thank you.
@@LDTSROexactly Hungary does not have the issue that we have. We didnt mind taking in immigrants so actually immigration itself is not the issue, but limitless immigration is the issue. We can not handle limitless incoming immigrants. We are a small country so now we lack housing. That obviously was not meant to happen. Immigration was way worse then previously expected because of wars in West Asia etc. Also these people will come in anyway. They will always find a way because they are so desperate. And because other European countries refused to take in. These people went our way so that made it worse for us 😂
Hey i wanted to take a look at the poster but i cant even read it while zoomed in, how would i know if it’s something i would want?
poster doesnt include benelux :(
Its good to see countries finally acknowledging the obvious most same people already know
What is obvious...?
@@00PlPu00that europe is for Europeans
Laws aside, we don't morally owe any refugee anything. You MAY live within our borders as long as we let them. But we are under no moral obligation to just let anyone in, or explain ourselves in whom we do and whom we don't want to stay.
We do have a moral obligation.
@@Prinsgezindepatriot Why?
@@Lisekplhehe Because it's the moral thing to do? Not only is it a global responsibility too deal with migration fairly (They don't just magicly dissappear when we reject em. They gotta go somewhere. Putting more pressure on allies doesn't do much good.), it's also just the simple fact that if the roles were reversed then we would like to be treated fairly and with dignity aswell. Plus, if you want to ask the EU for favors on nitrous limits then it's probably not wise to become a major obstacle on another hot button subject aswell.
@@bacchus8081 Your white saviour complex is showing - africa is not a barren wasteland we should just evacuate people from. African nations are absolutely capable of feeding their citizens and creating meaningful economies.
Mortal thing to do is not a moral obligation. And still, no explanation why it is moral. If we're helping, we should help with developing insanely dirt poor nations like niger to develop into self sustaining countries instead of exploiting them like france does (and china probably will).
@@bacchus8081 Not to mention weaponized migration as a tool of disrupting societies and economies of european union.
I support these changes, they should be implemented on an EU level.
same!
They should be required as a minimum standard
This is a problem all European countries face. The system is broken. It should be solved by European cooperation.
I'm from the Netherlands and your info is falls, they are doing nothing.
This should be the law for any country when it comes to illegal immigration:
Did you come here illegally?
If yes, you have 10 days to leave the country or you go to jail for 10 years hard labor to pay your debt to the society you invaded, and then are deported.
A major issue is that the PvdA/GL leftwing parties have strongholds in the Randstad in the West. The problematic asylum centers are in the East of the country - Rich, liberal Pvda/GL voters simply don't experience the problems and call anyone critical of the current system a racist/xenophobe. So the people in the areas around these centers vote for the only people that acknowledge it as a problem, people that acknowledge that the way of life and social cohesion is falling apart rapidly since these centers were opened. They vote for single issue idiot parties like the PVV and BBB. We need a sane party that is pro environment, green, LGBT etc, but also having a robust policy on immigration and crime.
A sensible viewpoint? In the RUclips comment section? Am I dreaming?
We don't want to look further than their nose long is
Didn't the previous government pass a law that would spread out the asylum seekers over the entire country, but the new government then got rid of it? It sounds to me like the new government wants the problematic asylum centers to continue
Truth. Also, the upper-class in both Europe and US, like you said, are completely unaware and unbothered by such quick demographic change as they pretty much live in gated communities. They live in such expensive places that the only immigrants they interact with are wealthy and educated. It's scary to see how disconnected these people are -- and a good proportion of these people are the ones making the rules.
😂@@Chiewrt
Every country has the right to deny ANYONE at their border, it's called sovereignty.
ALL of these countries signed UN doctrines that require them to accept migrants from war torn countries, this was implemented after ww2
Not in the Eu they dont.
Yes but then what are the asylum seekers laws for? Of course they've been abused but if you were to need them you would appreciated not to be blocked from entering a safe country I'm sure.
every country has the right to deport Dutch-born eleven year old christian boys to the Caucasus, as this Dutch coalition is doing now; its called wasting public money on symbolics
And you give up a bit of sovereignty..or more accurately just move it further out, for increased benefits in other areas like trade and security.
You cant form a sovereign country if every town wants to keep its own sovereignty. They gave it up to be a country.
Your argument is so old its dead.
4:11 Did you just call the Netherlands a 'central European state'?
Whats wrong with that?
@@saggitaril4044 Central Europe is commonly referring to states east of Germany and west of Russia, so Poland, Czechia, Hungary etc.
The Netherlands is commonly known as a West or North European country, not Central.
I guess they meant 'states in the center of the EU' which is not the same, since EU (the economical-political bloc) =/= Europe (the continent)
@@jugler07 Thats not even remotely true.
Poland and Hungary would not be considered central european states even if geographically that would be a fair enough statement.
@@saggitaril4044theyre central european if we talk about an europe from the sea to the urals, but youre right, in an everyday discussion nobody would use central europe for poland or hungary
It's in Central Europe Time, no?
As a Spaniard, I’m jealous.
This is tough love because I lived the best 5 years of my life in the Netherlands. But the Dutch borough all this upon themselves. After the war, they needed cheap labour to rebuild their country, they couldn’t find enough people in Europe because they too were busy rebuilding their own backyards. So, instead of turning to Latin America, at least the poorest countries at that time like Central America, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, who are all Christians, they turned to Turkey and Morocco, but their people were not interested, so they turned to rural Turkey and Morocco, the most conservatives parts of the Muslim world. The Dutch offer them to build mosques, religious equality, jobs, sure, they migrated under these promises, little did they know that they were going to do what everyone else would naturally do, which is bring their family, bring their customs, and slowly clashing with the completely opposite liberal Dutch society. You had to be a fool 70 years ago not to see that coming. The Dutch themselves made and opened their own Pandora’s box.
Look, it's true that the whole "gastarbeider"-plan was naieve and messed up, but we can't look back forever. We gotta see what we are going to do now.
@@Jazzisa311yup, just because some fuckers ruined the present doesn't mean we cannot make our future better
The UN should convene and write a reformed international convention addressing today's issues - this is not a crisis any country can solve on their own. Why is the UN not doing this, anybody knows?
Because whenever the UN done something useful or anything at all? The UN nothing it is job stop bothering them with actual world problems and make them work to solve them.
Please not the UN. Totally useless
The UN put Saudi arabia in charge of the women's rights
That's all you need to know on how big a joke it is
UN is for immigration. They even promote it 😂😂
The UN needs to be abolished. It's useless and only costs money.
Just seeing minister Faber angers me to no end. She reminds me of professor Umbridge. The clothes, the way she talks, the things she does... It's awful having her in a position of power. She is a racist xenophobe who has expressed to believe in replacement theory and she will without issue spew factfree nonsense and gaslighting reporters who call her out on it. Even though I don't like VVD, I believe the former migration secretary was so much better. At least he worked to ensure proper asylum accomodations. Faber just wants to let everything derail and burn so she can say "look, it's a crisis!"
Because there IS a crisis. We have a massive housing crisis (as you are well aware off if you live here) and we are not allowed to build more houses. Without immigration the number of people living in this country would decrease, ergo, the crisis would fix itself.
Furthermore, while the "Replacement threory" might not be actively pushed or an intended policy, it IS happening (be it intended or not). Like I said before, the Netherlands has a negative reproduction rate (as in, lower than 2.1 children per woman, the amount needed to maintain the same number of people in a country without external influences, like immigration. The Netherlands sits on 1.49 as of 2022). So by "filling the gaps" with immigrants, you are "replacing" the native Dutch people with immigrants.
You are the problem. You are the reason why the West is sliding back to the Middle Ages.
But how virtuous you are. Clap, clap, clap, cap
@@Doomness2k Do you know how many refugees come into the Netherlands? Do you know the percentages of houses being given to refugees vs. Dutch people? Because it is far less than you would think listening to these people. We had much higher numbers of immigrants coming in 2015 and no one was batting an eye.
Read another book, leftie.
@@Roanmonster Vorige jaar hadden we 420,000 immigranten en een netto immigratie van 123,000.
As far as I’m aware the naturalisation rule whereby someone has to renounce their nationality of another country if they become a Dutch citizen has long been standard practice 6:05
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I wonder why. I rly wonder why.
I don't. Everybody in the Netherlands knows Jewish refugees from Germany were send back to Germany in the 1930s. Everybody in the Netherlands knows that already in 1940 jews were dragged from their houses by Dutch people, put in work camps, and their possessions stolen by the Dutch [and that' why the archives of what really happened in 194-45 are still secret]. Everybody knows the percentage of Jewish population that did not survive the five years of right wing government is substantially higher than in any other European country. So basically, this has nothing to do with the asylum crisis hoax,
enlighten me: why is an eleven year old christian child deported from the Netherlands to a Caucasus nation this christian child was not born in, has never visited, and doesn't understand the local language?
Because his mom used him to get her own legal status, markholland.
@@markholland7322 Omdat hij een Armeniër is.
@markholland7322 a dog will not birth a horse, even in a stable
Asylum should only be about offering temporary protection and should not incentivize economic migration. Offer protection to the first safe neighbouring country, and only offer cheap shelter (temporary cabins) and food. Not expensive hotels and apartments in European cities. This way you can help more asylum seekers for less money and they will not take housing from hard working citizens of a country or increase housing demand which leads to unaffordable housing.
Sadly most asylum seekers who get temporarely residence in EU countries notice how much better it is and then won't leave. Heck some live so long in an EU country... they can't leave since they have children born in this country that our technically European citiziens. So they can only deport the parents but not the child.
And yea.. it should be cheap.. but the reason they are in expensive hotels and residences is because the cheap stuff ran out. So they have to take stuff that people are barely using wich is expensive housing and hotels. People aren't staying in a 5 star hotel at the beach during winter.. so better put seekers in there and OOPS it's summer now and they can't go back.. but the hotel doesn't care since they are getting paid anyway.
Same for expensive appartments with high rent. They are getting paid!
But this is one of many reasons why housing in the EU is having problems. But trust me when I say.. that's just 1. The other is envoirmental control of the EU that stopped alot of housing construction across the EU. Even the Netherlands went from 18k new houses per year to... 4k per year, while the growth increased exponetianally.
Even a house that is on the verge of collapse is too expensive for new house owners cause they gotta fix it up too.
@@kotlolish I never said that the only reason for unaffordable housing is asylum seekers, and I agree that environmental protectionism is one main reason for less housing supply. To use economic terms, the demand for housing is inelastic, so if you increase demand then prices will only grow.
I said what is fair to the citizens of a country and how you could help more for less. Current solution is unfair to both citizens and legal migrants.
@@Tuberis You nailed it right on the head.
I just wanted to add context :)
@kotlolish End anchor babies then
@@longiusaescius2537 How do you do that legally? o.O You'd have to change the law heavily.
Turns out diversity isn't a strength.
Diversity in a strength in moderation, which is something that hasn't happened in the last few years in many countries.
@@diogorodrigues747 when have similar cultural values not clashing then yes, as in between european cultures.
@@PwerRanger01 And even between different countries, integration is possible. The problem is that it costs money and our current welfare states aren't capable to do that.
@@diogorodrigues747 You simply can't intergrate non western people especially arabs into western societies without also forcing them to completely destroy their identity.
They either assimilate or they are a threat.
Because non western people still think it's fine to go around and rape women
Current Dutch cabinet is a clownshow, wouldnt surprise me if this cabinet doesnt even last untill theyd be able to succesfully opt out
You have to end Schengen or secure your borders - the EU cannot continue doing neither.
This is tearing the continent apart and is going to destroy governments, perhaps whole nations.
Drama queen
Incredibly based. Good job Netherlands.
Because it isn't working at all and any improvement is delayed until 2026? 🤔
Because the current farright coalition has no solutions of its own and needs a scapegoat, especially as the biggest PVV party has linked any and all problems solely to asylum seeker immigration (
For MOST people the Jimmy Broadbent route might be more feasible. Make a splash in the Sim racing be consistent and probe the sim skills translate to a real car.
In the solidarity mechanism, the taking-in asylum seekers from the frontier countries is not mandatory. You can pay some money in stead of taking migrants in. Central European countries negotiated this option (and were criticized for wanting it). Netherlands can use this option too. The solidarity mechanism allowes for it.
One word answer: "Safety".
It was obvious from the start, and they were warned. But hundreds of victims (mostly women and children) had to be sacrificed before they were willing to accept reality.
Sorry...hundreds of women and children were targeted in the Netherlands...? All by immigrants...?
@TinoMartinelli88% of all rapes in Paris are done by non French people
@TinoMartinelli Recent studies in NL have shown that over 90% of sexual assaults are committed by migrants.
Look it up, it was in the Gelderlander news paper!
And meanwhile massive cuts in healthcare, housing and education. People are so narrow sighted on one issues that it will destroy the country.
A high amount of asylum migrants doesn't help to fund healthcare, housing or education. They're very expensive.
Precies, dus laten we vooral meer geld uitgeven aan gelukszoekers en asielzoekers. Zie je zelf niet hoe dom je comment is?
Immigratie en omvolking zijn de grootste redenen waarom het mis gaat in Europa.
That's actually untrue, there are however cuts in the immigration department, which is rather silly when you want to get rid of immigrants.
@@JajalaatmaarNotice how you don't acknowledge the problem directly and spin this onto migrants
@@Jajalaatmaar this country isent even close to an asum crisis its just badly run and migrants are the scapegoat. 40k migrants is not even close to being in a crisis. Its pretentious and watch how if migration stops we are suddenly somewhow still fucked
These are pretty fair tbh
Does this affect citizens that are allready European Union Citizens(for example Bulgarians, Greeks, Etc)??
Dag
is netherite that valuable in this economy?
Well as Orban showed. The Dutch can always veto everything in europe until the opt out is approved,
Not all cultures are equal
*compatible
@@lukasdutli3473 *equal
@@NicolasHaufe what should this even mean. When is a culture equal or not equal. Culture can only be compared by how similar or not similar they are.
@@lukasdutli3473 No a culture where where women have No rights and which is authoritarian and fanatic isnt be equal to Western culture
@@lukasdutli3473 thats Like saying German culture from the 40s was equal to American culture