This is Why Adapting Vintage Lenses on a PHONE is A TERRIBLE IDEA!!
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THE Ulanzi DOF is an adapter that lets you use vintage lenses on your smartphone.
the main interest of this adapter it to let you have the shallow depth of field and the bokeh of fast lenses on a regular smartphone.
How does it work?
the Light is focused on a tiny focusing screen inside the adapter, the smartphone camera records this focusing screen only.
Bokeh
The first thing that shocked me after 5 min of tests is that the out of focus bokeh balls that you can see out of the adapter are extremely boring.
IF you compare it to the same lens adapted to a real full-frame camera, the gap is huge.
the comparison speaks for itself ... by using the adapter you are losing all the character of each lens, and that's a massive problem.
Dirt
As the smartphone focuses on the screen and not using the back of the lens, you will get all the details of the focusing screen surface even wide open, meaning that if there is even tiny dust on your screen you will see it on your final video.
Crop factor
After playing around with different lenses, i discovered that there is a crop using the adapter.
in this footage, i shot with the same lens at the same distance but i had to move back the tripod using the adapter to match the framing of the A7III.
Usability
Using the phone as a camera without a rotating screen is pretty annoying and it forces you to be always at the same height of the subject to check what you are doing.
Conclusion
I must say I am pretty disappointed by this product.
Losing the lenses character is a big issue for a bokeh addict like me, So if you have a very low budget, and you don't mind getting grainy and dirty images without any real character this adapter is maybe a first step in the world of vintage lenses.
if you are not a beginner then I would advise sticking to mirrorless cameras.
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A Few things,:
1. "Tiny" Focusing screen is actually a Full frame Equivalent so I wouldn't call it tiny.
2. The Bokeh Balls are less exciting for two reasons: Less DoF and the focusing screen not being glass like on a real sensor.
3. Treat the focusing screen of your DoF Adapter like the sensor of a real camera which means you have to clean it.
4. The image doesn't look bad but for it to work you need lots of light and a clean focusing screen. I use Vintage glass on my Smartphones all the time and They seem to work pretty nice.
5. Set your Back focus on the Filmic App first and lock that in. That is the focus for the Focusing screen. Then you can adjust your Focus accordingly with the lens. That takes out the guess work.
6. To address the texture on the focusing screen showing up on your final image. Shoot outside or in well lit areas. This will help in the overall image quality and limit the texture you are receiving.
7. This isn't meant to be a Mirrorless or DSLR Replacement so please don't expect DSLR Quality videos and shots, In my use cases it gets damn close to it.
8. With using regular lenses the Texture on the screen gives my whole shot a Unique Film look something I Really like and definitely adds character to the final shot.
And finally, do not treat this like a DSLR Replacement. Its fun in its own right and you gotta go out and try it in different scenarios and enjoy the little quirks that it has. I for one am trying it out shooting 8K on my Mi 10 Pro and LG V60 and the results are very,. VERY interesting. And being able to upload my quirky shots straight to Instagram and my Photography groups online is a major PLUS.
Thanks for reading
Thanks for this quick run down of the issues with this video. The video raises more questions than it answers. Does Mathieu even use Filmic Pro, or were these results from using the native App? Why does he change distance instead of focus? That was a weird choice when the topic is bokeh. Matching the frame by moving the camera just seems like a weird choice.
I think your most important point, though, is that these are different formats that are going to provide different results.
But now I have a question for you. I have not yet used a DOF adapter. TBH, I wasn’t that impressed with footage I saw shot on the original beastmaster adapter. However, the mark II, as well as the Ulanzi adapter seem much improved-I’m speculating, but I think a lot has to do with improved screens and better registration. That said, I’m skeptical about the film grain look that you and some people are claiming. This might be true for stills, but I’m not seeing it in video. Motion picture film grain is kinetic, changing with each frame of film shot. (There are technical reasons for this having to do with film development being a chemical process.) I once did an experiment with a super8 camera, using tri-x pushed to 800 and 1600. The images were totally unusable for my purposes, but the grain (which was huge) danced. I imagine I could replicate this in software, but unless I’m missing something, I don’t think it’s possible to achieve “cinematic” (there’s that damn word) grain from the pattern on a screen.
Whew, I got long winded! Sorry about that. But tell me, am I wrong? I’d be plenty happy to be wrong on this point.
I wonder if there is something other than filmic that can be used.
At $140US, I'm pretty sure you could get a used mirrorless and cheap adapter that would do at least as well, with better bokeh. Ulanzi are presumably just going after the people who were smitten by the "shot on iPhone" ads.
I've seen first gen Sony Nex3 with the kitlens for 75 euro.
@@tithund Better still: I bought my Sony A5000 in an Amazon refurb at 300 € with its lens, I sold the lens for 150 €, so 150 € for the unused camera !!!
That's why I'm glad I went with buying a GH2 to use with my old Canon Lenses.
Funny you said that, I actually used to own a used Sony NEX-3N Mirrorless camera with SELP1650 kit lens for that same mentioned price back in April or June 2015. It used to be my daily photography gear until I got myself a Microsoft Lumia 950*. Since then, the Sony kept collecting dust in the drawer until I sold it in December 2018.
As much as I like this DOF adapter idea, I think I'll be staying with my Beastgrip smartphone mobile lenses. Not sure if I want to try this out.
*This is the time when I have left Android for Windows Phone, which I'm still rocking it to this day.
That's getting into Canon 5D territory.
Comparing with an AIII isn't fair though. We all know that AIII takes better photos than iphone 8+. You should compare phone's footage with and without the lens to see if it's improves or worsen things.
To a photographer it's obviously a silly idea to use a lens with a phone but if you are a casual and have a lens lying around, it doesn't hurt to experiment I guess.
Yeah in fact he just compared ~10$ matrix with 600$ matrix, it’s like “ I tried to print on toilet paper and somehow it’s worse than 10x15 matte “
I want this thing for only one reason: to see how FUN it will look with Tair-3 or some other big tele-senses.
Phone cameras use a lot of software to enhance the images, I wonder what it's like when it's turned off (somehow). My guess is that the bokeh would look similar but that the rest of the image would end up very soft and noisy. Interestingly I've seen a review of the Zeiss lenses that were made to be adapted to phones and they actually looked good. But if you're paying Zeiss money you might as well spend it on mirrorless camera gear.
If you use an android phone and use Filmic you can disable the extra sharpening and noise reduction that these phones do
Some phones can shot raw files in manual mode. My lg g5 for example. The results can be pretty disappointing for same conditions between auto and manual.
I mean, in manual mode you get both enhanced JPEG and untouched RAW. And RAW has much more noise, missed exposition (i.e. I shot at 1/250 and RAW looks like 1/500) and not so sharp. It's good to shot in RAW with good light and stabilization. Enhancements are realy good when used in right time and in right situation. In most cases for inexperienced user it will be much more work in lightroom/ps with bare RAWs.
I think the fundamental problem is optical, not digital. A focal-length reducer would work if you could take the lens off an iPhone, but the lens gets in the way. That's why the diffuser layer in a DOF adapter is necessary: the pre-existing lens assembly.
Lens assemblies are made to focus onto sensors, not other lens assemblies. That diffusion layer allows two lens assemblies to work together, but it also "freezes" some optical effects, like bokeh.
And the depth of focus is always near zero ad the diffusion surface is only micrometers thick. You cannot focus through that diffuser.
I would ditch the premium phone and get a decent camera in first place. A cheap digital camera plus adapter will most probably cost less, but still deliver way better images.
Si, I guess I'm living the photo snobbery, lol ...
Me too. Cell phone video even in flagship cell phones just have way too much noise reduction and ugly blown highlights, sharpening artifacts, lie a watercolor filter for everything.
Going goo Chuh What camera apps have you used on you phone?
This is for that one guy in the group who still buggs the community for vintage to phone adapter :))
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I removed the lens of a smartphone and "mounted" a lens for 8mm to it.
The first test images looked pretty good, but its not very reliable, as the camera won't start sometimes.
And its also pretty annoying to tear it apart everytime it fails. Maybe i'll get it to work someday.
What smartphone and lens did you use? I'm having the same idea just for fun and experimentation :)
I remember 10 years ago how I started to make my own DOF adaptor and by the first testing got the feeling that it's a useless shit and ended up with buying a middle class dslr camera. P. S. - Still using it 😀 Don't buy DOF! It's like a plastic girlfriend when you can get a real one.
Using a very tiny crop from a lens designed to render a bigger image is never a good option. I keep telling that to people using large format lenses on their APSC cameras, but they don't listen :P
The phone sensor is tiny, yes. But APSC is not tiny. Full frame lenses work fine on APSC in my experiences.
I think you misunderstand how this DOF adapter works. There is no crop (or at least not a tiny one. The adapter contains a screen. The lens focuses light onto the screen to form an image. The phone’s camera focuses on the screen.
I was think the sane thing. I think this would look better using M43 lens
Full frame is completely fine on apsc, especially when you have a lens that tends to have abberation or bad focus in the corners
i just need that non-digital zoom bruh; digital zoom on a phone just makes small blur big blur.
The setup looked really difficult to use since it was a lens with a phone attached. Not surprised the image results were poor. Thanks for the video.
Your pictures reminds me of the pages of the Sears catalog, especially the toy section in the 80s
Hey I was able to do it for $18 24 x macro lens then I got an adapter for the old lenses a PVC pipe which is about the same size glued the adapter to the PVC pipe calculated the distance glued the PVC pipe on the phone case after cutting the PVC pipe to size if you're using this setup hold the camera lens and the phone for better stability if you're willing you could take apart your phone tell you get to the sensor you won't be able to have Optical stabilization so you can pull almost everything out except for the sensor you will also have to have a different length for the pipe you might just be able to get away with attaching a micro micro 4/3 adapter anyway you can get closer to the sensor itself but the focal length of the lens we'll still make it so you're not getting the whole lens InFocus you'll have to use that macro 4/3 and probably still have to use the pipe to bring it back just enough but after you get that done you won't have to worry about the original Optics causing more problems remember all focusing is manual and you won't have any stabilisation unless it's digital 108 megapixel camera is great for this it's almost big enough that you don't feel as nervous 108 megapixel on the mi Note 10 but you could also use a budget phone or a phone that you're about to throw away to test this I will be producing a video on this sometime but if you want to go right ahead
What did you use for the focus screen?
@@MarcosElMalo2 it was form some old camcorder laying around or something like that I also saw them on ebay as parts for around $14 if you want to go that route it is a fun project but with the newest phones I don't know if it would work too well I know the program I was using olpen camera is no longer supported in some ways
No clickbait in sight. Dude just ripped on this thing for a solid 3 😂
It's something that will find it's niche, I'm sure, for funky effect.. It all depends on price and what you're aiming to do. And don't forget used DSLR's as an option for a first camera.
Interesting, are there not adapters that don't use that weird screen? I'd be really curious about what results those yield. Maybe at some point a company will make a speed booster for smart phones, that'd be wild
The weird screen is a workaround for a phone’s tiny sensor. The phone’s camera is collecting the image from the screen. The FF lens is using the screen as if it were a FF sensor. Think of it as taking an image of an image.
There is another way but you need to ruin your phone. Your full frame lenses will turn into telephoto but cctv lenses do fit in a normal fov. Basically you have to remove the lens of the camera module and you'll have an exposed sensor. I did it on a tablet but the sensor is too small because it is a very cheap model. I only need a way to mount the lens but the result looks promising.
The point of using a smartphone is that it is quick and easy. The newer iPhones are also pretty good for some things and I've used them for video B-Roll with great effect. Putting on this type of contraption makes them removes most of the benefit and makes them terribly unwieldy. Anyone that needs to make the leap up should just get a second hand mirrorless. A kit lens would be a marked improvement on this and you grow out your lenses over time.
Precisely.
I have a Fuji X100s, I was thinking of getting the accessory lenses for it but realised that would defeat the object of using that type of camera.
Horses for courses and all that.
Shoot film instead ! For a very low budget you can get an analog reflex (the zenit with Helios camera is very common for 15/20 euros) and if you want funky results, you can shoot expired film...I like your channel by the way, keep the good work - salut de France also...
Short ends used to be a way of life.
I can't see the point of using lenses on a smartphone. A smartphone is handy because it fits in your pocket and is ready to shoot. If I add a lens it becomes cumbersome and the quality is less than a regular cheap camera for almost the same size...
The advantages of both are lost. It just makes no sense.
isn't any way to take that focusing screen out ? i dk if the phone can achieve focus, and also it will be a more than 10 times crop :O
The adapter design had it wrong. There must be frosted focal plane in it.
I don't think the iPhone can keep up with the DSLR yet.
Considering smartphone brands of today are focusing too much on the software instead of the hardware, I can agree with you.
If yoi rich enough, you can try removing your lens from the camera module and make it direct contact with lens adapter 😀 and dont use the dof adapter, just attach the slr lens.
I mistakenly bought an om to nex adapter instead of a pk to nex and I would like you to recommend some olympus lens so I don't have to return it and if it is a full frame better 👍🏼
0:42 "out-of-focus bokeh balls", for those who didn't get it
TY 4 this video. Well done!
Was tempted but thanks for answering!
For a Phone, it looks fine tbh, but I agree, don't expect this to be a DSLR replacement.
Interesting! like to see how it works on different phones though.
I use the Beastgrip and the Ulanzi DoF Adapter all the time on my many phones i.e. Mi 10 Pro,. Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra, LG V60 and Iphone SE. I'll be releasing videos in the coming weeks since I just started my channel. But if thats something you're interested in stop by sometime :)
where can i buy it
Perhaps that only manual prime lenses would work well as I see a lot of working example with it. Cannot comment much on manual zoom lenses.
For a set up like this, you don’t want hand zoom. You want foot zoom.
It's OK for Samsung or Huawei ? Or it's an exclusivity of iPhone ? Thanks
i have this brother but my problem using my iphone 7 with the ulanzi adaptor and sony lens the problem is reverse image display that my problem .. do i need use any app
As much as I'm impressed with the whole concept, I'm not sure if I want to do it when there are abundance of top quality smartphone mobile lenses built with the whole focus for the smartphone sensor in the first place.
Where can I find that adaptor?
Using phone for photography is good for documentation only, period.
Fine, that's my opinion...
use a manual camera app. one you can adjust your iso & shutter speed
how much
Great video!
Bro could you explain: mobile 2x(60mm) lens gives blur as dslr 35/50mm lens?
This is perfect For Trolling The Photo Snobs
Trolling victory, but at what cost?
Does the phone still autofocus with the lens attached? Or can you manually focus with the lens, if so it would be a neat adaption.
You would have to manually focus with whatever lens you're adapting to the iPhone. The iPhone's camera only focuses on the screen in the DOF adapter. If you use a DOF you will have to manually focus every shot. Keep in mind if you need critical focus, you may have to stop down your lens's aperture, but that will reduce the amount of light coming in further, and with a DOF, because you already have some loss of light, you really don't want to stop down beyond f4 or f5 on your lens.
You want to lock focus on the adapter’s screen with the phones camera. Then you manually focus the lens. Your phone’s camera is actually taking a picture of (or shooting video of) the screen.
I'm just trying to imagine someone trying to use something like that in public.
I do all the time
That might work for landscape shot, since your going for f8-f11 sweet spot, have you tried it for that?
The bottleneck for resolution of this thing are the phone's lenses and the focusing screen. There light doesn't go directly to the image sensor, and the image quality just degrades as it passes through more layers.
For landscape shots with your phone, just use your phone's own lenses(?) They tend to be quite wide anyway.
The ulanzi sucks try the Beastgrip with an Helios 44..... you have simply choose the wrong lens/adaptor
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That video use Ulanzi.
Shoot on Filmic that be matching the a7iii look
People actually need an explanation why that's a shit idea?
Thank you sir!
What did you expect from a sensor smaller than your smallest nail.
That looks like pretty poor results.
I bet that even simple clip on lenses for a Phone would deliver better images.
You know - this stuff you can buy in sets of 2 or 3 lenses in a cigarette box size case for under 100 bucks...
Most the times it's wide, tele and macro as a set.
As these have no aperture in them the aperture is only set by the phone....
Are there better quality adapters?
I’ve not yet tried either, but the Ulanzi and the Beastmaster Mk. II DOF adapters seem to be the best quality. I’m researching this, and don’t have enough info to suggest which one is better than the other.
Why is it so darn expensive?
Think you missed the point…. Smug insinuations aside, of course it’s not the same… It’s another tool in the toolbox… A dof adapter is not going to turn your phone into a dslr, nor will the lens behave the same as if it were on a dslr, only a fool would dare assume that it promised such… It merely allows one to experiment with lenses… it helps add its own character and has its own advantages and disadvantages…It’s well worth it to build one or buy one If you want one…if not, then don’t…
I’m buying the adapter, photos looks nice, idc
Learning is fun even it sames to be boring
I swear I came up with this like 3 years ago... Oh well good to know it's not actually practical
R2 !!
5.62 crop factor, so your f1.4 wide open looks like a f8 lens.
That's a lot less than a 5x crop, because the lens is focusing on a screen that the phone then takes a picture of, not going directly into the sensor.
God this is terrible indeed
I recommended you to have a Shot And Shot with Peter McKinnon. Will you grab the dare? You are my favorite photographer/videographer.
what is a " shot and shot" ?
Ahahahaha this is hilarious. Also I loved the Yoda clip
This is kind of silly...but barely better than nothing!
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Or you could 3D print the exact same thing !
It would be hard since the focusing screen is something you will have to get from a DSLR and the mount you would have to rip from somewhere as well
Thanks Mathieu I was considering buying this, can see it’s not great. I’ll stick to my good old fuji :)
Huh... so, why not just 3D print an adapter that doesn't have any optics? You'll get massive crop, but the character of the lens will be mostly intact.
I think I might give that a shot, I have some free time and some filament in my printer.
I remember you having a video on making adapters, I should look it up. If you can help, that'd be great! I'm using a Redmi Note 7 phone and MFT lenses.
The point is to avoid the crop.
Nice idea, poor result.
This is a silly idea people are so lazy about carrying around a little weight nowadays just carry a little camera with you it's not that hard.
Funny you said that, I actually used to own a Sony Mirrorless camera with a bunch of lenses and accessories. Since I got myself a Nokia Lumia 1020 and Microsoft Lumia 950, the Sony camera and everything else kept collecting dust until I sold all of them. Now, my whole photography and videography work is now being done on my phone.
@@farishanafiah8461 and how much are you getting paid for that work and how much do you think you're going to get paid for that work in the future🤷🎥
@unbroken1010 You clearly didn't know anything about freelancing. Some freelance photographers made shed loads of money from their work.
@@FAT8893 oh really I don't I used to make a lot of money too until 9/11 happened Rouen must the city in the freelancing market not to mention a magazine that decide to go out of business freezing accounts owing me 16 Grand why they older multibillion-dollar company like Federal Express a couple thousand that should be your eye opener to how the freelance Market works. now the going day rate for new magazines online Publications you're lucky if it's a couple hundred 15-20 years ago people used to not do anything for less than $500 for a portrait sitting or editorial now you're working for almost one-third of that and they have you doing so much more work and you're eating the cost of filming processing by paying in advance on your digital camera with no depreciation fee do used to be allowed to charge a depreciation fee now it's completely disappeared with most companies. you used to be able to do your work without interference now people who tether can't get an art director or production out of their ear for a couple minutes so that they can actually get a Vibe with a model or subject. I've observed plenty of photo shoots on the streets where this happens. and now you have to do video sometimes and don't get extra money all of these companies take advantage now. and all the European trust-fund trash as usual willing to work for quote for free just to get their foot in the door. I'm still waiting on money from an Adidas test shoot 10 months later but that's okay I don't know anything about freelancing.
If you’re out of budget - buy used Canon 600d
It will be pretty limited though when it comes to vintage lenses, at least compared to the mirrorless options. Maybe if M42 lenses all you're interested on an EF DSLR would be ok, otherwise just get an used Sony, Fuji or Olympus camera.
@@vihaleipa9889 If it's only for use with M42 vintage lenses, an old Pentax DSLR seems a better option to me : you keep the focus assistance even with an adapter without chipset, you gain the built in body optical stabilisation
Sony A7R III (2000 to 2700€) vs Ulanzi DOF (130€). hahahahhahaha. Yes, a terrible, terrible, terrible experience. I have about a year without sleeping. What a bad decision! Ok. you are true. But it is my budget and its funny to do "something" bokeh when you don't have the money. Could you send me your sony? I don't have your camera.
How much did you pay your smartphone ? Those adapters are generally not available for the cheapest models...
@@lignesbois6768 That adapters works with any phone.
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@boiseux 33 What phone do you have?
@@SabrinaVideo Samsung A3
I'm shocked, the adaptor on the link you give is near in size from my DSLR.
Such a big adaptor for a micro sensor...
boiseux 33 That’s because the adapter’s internal focus screen needs to be the correct size, and the screen needs to be the correct distances from the lens and the phone’s sensor, respectively.
Wow... thank God I didn't buy this back when it first came out....
I never actually seen a comparison like this before with this adapter.
Thanks a bunch for buying this piece of junk so I didn't have to. Lol
I know, right?
Heh hehh heh
The thing is, there is plenty of stupid smartphone channels "reviewing" this crap like something useful. Too much trendy shit is going on with smartphones and photography
Is pretty much useless if you ask me there's really no benefit added