that 2005 suzuka pass on turn 1 by raikkonen is even more amazing in this case since it's probably the win that brings him above alonso on points, unless i'm wrong on how the point system works.
he deserved it, however, mclaren had to throw away the drives title because of the spygate scandal. research. fia told the team that your drivers have to forfeit the championship entirely.
@@razpberry5169 Except the FIA kept the drivers fight alive and removed them from the constructors instead. Your post is actually absurd, it would require a secret deal, and dozens if not hundreds of people, including the two drivers, to be aware and consciously throw a championship without ever once coming out about it. It's been 15 years, SOMEBODY at McLaren would've spoken out. What actually happened is the truth, Alonso and Hamilton just lost, despite driving a faster (illegal) car. Kimi was the better driver, and he won because he was the better driver.
@@doghat1619 hamilton, when asked about 07 championship stated - "there were some thing i didn't know then (in 2007) now i do and i cannot talk about it. also, mclaren as a team made someone questionable team decisions during the chinise grand prix
@@razpberry5169 What everyone thinks he means: OMG THE FIA THREATENED THEM IF THEY WON A TITLE What Hamilton actually means: For the last two races, my balls really hurt. Like, REALLY hurt.
Emerson Fittipaldi winning both his titles without a fastest lap is an achievement on par with Niki Lauda winning the title in 1984 with two less wins and no front row starts
All of Kimi's fastest laps for that 2005 season really came up clutch for him to win just one point despite the issues he had with those 3 races where he retired the lead for Alonso
Love the video. Love all the work that went into it: Videi Idea: What if only there were no races and only Quali mattered? Scoring the Quali results with the points system of the time.
Amazing video, only some insane passion can make you do something like this. I am not sure how much it possibly took you to make this. It's really informing be cause you go through year by year, which always adds some curiosity if you are into the history of Formula 1
In 1969 it was the customer team that won the title for Matra, not the works team. It was the only time that happened. The customer team, Matra International, was run by Tyrrell.
When first place was 8 points 1 point for the fastest lap meant a lot more now first place is. 20? 5 points 1 point is a much smaller percentage of the overall scoring.
Great video, though more thoughts on the best point system would be great. Should 1st win more or less points, and why? Should p15 gain also points? etc...
In germany we say „hätte hätte fahrradkette“ (basically would’ve would‘ve bikechain) which means why tf are we even discussing this. It didn’t happen like this so it’s completely irrelevant
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Please try this calculation with the CART / IndyCar points system from 1983 to 2003 with 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 and 1pt bonus for pole and most led laps (or fastest race lap instead).
What if a whole new racing series took the best aspects of F1 over the last 4 decades with the primary emphasis on who is the best driver as opposed to the team with the most money and political power? Beautiful smaller, lighter cars with iconic livery, simple aero and cars matched to equal performance for very close competitive racing, roaring, screaming V8, V10 and V12 engines for the diversity of glorious noise, you could tell which car was coming around the corner, back to analogue cars with a manual transmission (camera in cockpit to watch the footwork), no power steering, tyres that are optimized for performance and longevity and tyres specifically for qualifying. Think of the violent onboard footage of Senna in his MP4/6 but with hi-def audio and 4k resolution. Screaming V12 with his head bouncing all over the cockpit trying to tame the beast. Also his and Mansell's qualifying footage at Silverstone 1991. Sparks flying, the cars were so alive. Unfortunately just a pipe dream but if such a series miraculously came to fruition I think it would explode with success. Senna on increasing technology: "The machines have taken away the character and it is the character that the sponsors and public are looking for. At the top, you have a few characters of conflicting personality; the rest, without good results, don't have any credibility. We must reduce costs so that we return to an era where the emphasis is on people not computers." On computers in F1 cars: "I want to be challenged by my own limits and by someone who is made of the same skin and bone and where the difference is between brain and experience and adaptation to the course. I do not want to be challenged by someone else's computer. If I give 100% to my driving, which is my hobby as well as my profession, I can compete with anyone, but not computers."
wow I thought Sebastian Vettel would lose 2010 and 2012.....he was cookin then considering the number of mechanical failures, pit stop blunders (only one or two but they cost big points) that he suffered from. Not to mention 2012 McLaren was actually tied for fastest car that year, getting so many wins and poles (more than Red Bull and RB8 only became the quickest on par with McLaren after the summer break).
I know you've done a bunch of these so you're probably sick of them! but have you ever done the calculations for what would change if the points each race stayed the same each year as in reality, but how many races counted for the championships was different (all, or keeping the original system from the first years). I wonder if the constructor's titles from the years only the best result per race counted would be seriously changed, considering some constructors entered way more cars than others. I also wonder what kind of results we'd get if there was a seperate title for engine suppliers. like, in years where the DFV was used by many teams but didn't win the championship, would any of the winning engines be able to "beat" the DFV's combined results? I'm guessing not, if it was a close championship and both 2nd and 3rd place teams used the DFV, but maybe I'm wrong.
Excellent video. If Senna is generally considered as the best of all time (only rivalled by Schumacher and Hamilton) then Prost beat him in the two seasons they drove together at McLaren in 1988 and 1989. Prost is far too easily overlooked in the "best of all time" conversation.
Prost didnt beat Senna in 88, Senna uses the Victories factor as strategy, he Said on Interview in Begin of 1991 Season (First without the best results system) that now, he could Focus on make points and not necessary pursuit only victories. In 89 Prost won, but he never complete a race infront of Senna, when they finish without problems.
Good job but not completely fair. You must always remember and take into account that the entire championship in each year was held in such a way that all drivers and all teams knew all the details on the pointing system and did everything in accordance with this. You should know that this changes a lot.
Bs. The 2008 is a matter of corruption, and all that was credited to him after that was all based on the 2014 regulations that were designed to fit the Mercedes and against vettel. Otherwise. Vettel would still be winning. championships. And no one would be dreaming challenge him. Changing the regulations in 2014 turned out to be like changing the ground of Wimbledon into clay court which needs quite different skills and has its own specialised players on clay court.
They had to change everything to stop Lewis from winning and literally hand championship to another driver because hes younger and has more of a social media presence with these dumb young a holss who are fans in the sport. It's gross the things that people say about Lewis. The sport has forever ruined itself to try to cooperate with young fans who can afford to go to the races anyway And most of them can afford cable either
I think AbuDhabi21 was primarily an exercise in #whiteSupremacy --- FIA didn't want Lewis a Black driver to have the most F1 titles -- This is why they lose their minds in MLB over Barry bonds beating Babe Ruth #Whitesupremacy Changes the rules last minute for the purposes of maintaining the Lie of #Whitesupremacy
Man I love your videos so much! The level of detail and the love for the sport is magical. Especially the long and deep dive videos. This is the type of content we need on yt
How did Verstappen and Hamilton both score more points than Red Bull and Mercedes in 2021? That wouldn't make sense. I believe there might be a miscalculation there somewhere
This happened in several seasons, you just cherry picked the most recent one. The reason is that the constructors' standings also took a team's best 70% of their results (the position of their highest finisher), but not the fastest laps, while the drivers did take the fastest laps. Then you end up with situations where if one single driver is the highest finisher for that team most of the time, and that driver also scores a few fastest laps, he'd score more points than the team.
1. Reliability was horrible 2. Constructors and drivers didn't enter every race 3. Indy 500 was held on the same day as other races, despite it also being on the F1 calendar
that 2005 suzuka pass on turn 1 by raikkonen is even more amazing in this case since it's probably the win that brings him above alonso on points, unless i'm wrong on how the point system works.
Yep you're correct! Without that move he would've lost the title by one point!
@@PeterBrookF1 "WHAT A BRILLIANT MOVE, SIDE BY SIDE DOWN THE STRAIGHT!"
Hunt IRL winning the title with 69 points is the most James Hunt way you could win a title.
The amount of times Fernando Alonso is nearly WDC is crazy
Time to get comfy and settle into a Peter Brook banger
Can confirm it is a banger!
Raikkonen deserved a title at McLaren, he was so hard done hy when it came to reliability
Kimi winning the 2007 title is inevitable
he deserved it, however, mclaren had to throw away the drives title because of the spygate scandal. research. fia told the team that your drivers have to forfeit the championship entirely.
@@razpberry5169 Except the FIA kept the drivers fight alive and removed them from the constructors instead. Your post is actually absurd, it would require a secret deal, and dozens if not hundreds of people, including the two drivers, to be aware and consciously throw a championship without ever once coming out about it. It's been 15 years, SOMEBODY at McLaren would've spoken out.
What actually happened is the truth, Alonso and Hamilton just lost, despite driving a faster (illegal) car. Kimi was the better driver, and he won because he was the better driver.
He got lucky
@@doghat1619 hamilton, when asked about 07 championship stated - "there were some thing i didn't know then (in 2007) now i do and i cannot talk about it.
also, mclaren as a team made someone questionable team decisions during the chinise grand prix
@@razpberry5169 What everyone thinks he means: OMG THE FIA THREATENED THEM IF THEY WON A TITLE
What Hamilton actually means: For the last two races, my balls really hurt. Like, REALLY hurt.
Emerson Fittipaldi winning both his titles without a fastest lap is an achievement on par with Niki Lauda winning the title in 1984 with two less wins and no front row starts
Imagine everyone outside the top5 pitting on the last lap for fresh soft tires so they compete for 1 point for fastest lap
All of Kimi's fastest laps for that 2005 season really came up clutch for him to win just one point despite the issues he had with those 3 races where he retired the lead for Alonso
Best f1 channel on the internet right now. Keep up the great work!!!
Love the video. Love all the work that went into it:
Videi Idea: What if only there were no races and only Quali mattered? Scoring the Quali results with the points system of the time.
42:29 visual error, the new championship standings is still the same as the old one just with the recalculated points.
I love this almost hour long content! So easy to just listen to on the train! Keep punning out the great vids!👍👍
Amazing video, only some insane passion can make you do something like this. I am not sure how much it possibly took you to make this. It's really informing be cause you go through year by year, which always adds some curiosity if you are into the history of Formula 1
this is incredible
The amount of work and dedication to make these wild history videos!! Go Peter!
Another W vid from Peter!
By the end statistics I conclude that Fangio is the goat (being the only driver to average over 5pts with this system)
Nah this timeline is worse. You’re telling me Alonso loses TWO championships by a single POINT!? And I thought I had it hard in reality…
reality is pain
In 1969 it was the customer team that won the title for Matra, not the works team. It was the only time that happened.
The customer team, Matra International, was run by Tyrrell.
Carlos Reutemann wins an imaginary title and still doesn't get credited by Peter at the end of the video. Poor Carlos.
A part of me needs this to be an annual thing at the end of every season...
What an interesting video. Followed it from start to finish
Superb work! Really interesting video!
When first place was 8 points 1 point for the fastest lap meant a lot more now first place is. 20? 5 points 1 point is a much smaller percentage of the overall scoring.
Tracing point hahaha
I think it should go down to 15th for points as cars are so reliable and closer then ever.
What a mammoth task again to make this video, and very interesting as usual.
What if F1 had Mario Karts or IndyCars points system?
47:50 The average points were a great addition. Just look at Fangio, lmao. Can't beat the OG. I'd love to know Gilles Villeneuve's avg points though.
Great video, though more thoughts on the best point system would be great. Should 1st win more or less points, and why? Should p15 gain also points? etc...
You never make me love your videos
I love your alternate videos and hope for more
In germany we say „hätte hätte fahrradkette“ (basically would’ve would‘ve bikechain) which means why tf are we even discussing this. It didn’t happen like this so it’s completely irrelevant
Watched so many ads ... Worth each and every one, amazing content as always.
Please try this calculation with the CART / IndyCar points system from 1983 to 2003 with 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 and 1pt bonus for pole and most led laps (or fastest race lap instead).
Wonderful video, thank you
What if a whole new racing series took the best aspects of F1 over the last 4 decades with the primary emphasis on who is the best driver as opposed to the team with the most money and political power? Beautiful smaller, lighter cars with iconic livery, simple aero and cars matched to equal performance for very close competitive racing, roaring, screaming V8, V10 and V12 engines for the diversity of glorious noise, you could tell which car was coming around the corner, back to analogue cars with a manual transmission (camera in cockpit to watch the footwork), no power steering, tyres that are optimized for performance and longevity and tyres specifically for qualifying. Think of the violent onboard footage of Senna in his MP4/6 but with hi-def audio and 4k resolution. Screaming V12 with his head bouncing all over the cockpit trying to tame the beast. Also his and Mansell's qualifying footage at Silverstone 1991. Sparks flying, the cars were so alive. Unfortunately just a pipe dream but if such a series miraculously came to fruition I think it would explode with success.
Senna on increasing technology: "The machines have taken away the character and it is the character that the sponsors and public are looking for. At the top, you have a few characters of conflicting personality; the rest, without good results, don't have any credibility. We must reduce costs so that we return to an era where the emphasis is on people not computers."
On computers in F1 cars: "I want to be challenged by my own limits and by someone who is made of the same skin and bone and where the difference is between brain and experience and adaptation to the course. I do not want to be challenged by someone else's computer. If I give 100% to my driving, which is my hobby as well as my profession, I can compete with anyone, but not computers."
46:34 Don't forget Carlos Reutemann 😉
Man great video but you gotta give that one fastest lap point to Mazepin
wow I thought Sebastian Vettel would lose 2010 and 2012.....he was cookin then considering the number of mechanical failures, pit stop blunders (only one or two but they cost big points) that he suffered from. Not to mention 2012 McLaren was actually tied for fastest car that year, getting so many wins and poles (more than Red Bull and RB8 only became the quickest on par with McLaren after the summer break).
37:50 I believe Räikkönen takes 4th from Hamilton and not the other way around as you said
I know you've done a bunch of these so you're probably sick of them! but have you ever done the calculations for what would change if the points each race stayed the same each year as in reality, but how many races counted for the championships was different (all, or keeping the original system from the first years). I wonder if the constructor's titles from the years only the best result per race counted would be seriously changed, considering some constructors entered way more cars than others.
I also wonder what kind of results we'd get if there was a seperate title for engine suppliers. like, in years where the DFV was used by many teams but didn't win the championship, would any of the winning engines be able to "beat" the DFV's combined results? I'm guessing not, if it was a close championship and both 2nd and 3rd place teams used the DFV, but maybe I'm wrong.
Excellent video. If Senna is generally considered as the best of all time (only rivalled by Schumacher and Hamilton) then Prost beat him in the two seasons they drove together at McLaren in 1988 and 1989. Prost is far too easily overlooked in the "best of all time" conversation.
Prost didnt beat Senna in 88, Senna uses the Victories factor as strategy, he Said on Interview in Begin of 1991 Season (First without the best results system) that now, he could Focus on make points and not necessary pursuit only victories. In 89 Prost won, but he never complete a race infront of Senna, when they finish without problems.
I think nothing will change if the MotoGP point system would be introduced in F1
41:20 Jesus christ 😅
Sprint races?
Well now there are many more races so a formula to adjust the all times points needs to be looked at
No matter what happens, I can't wait for the 1st world champion that wins the title without a race win
It needs changing indeed its waaaay to large!
Video idea: all championships withe their original scoring systems, except the last round gets double points.
Wow. almost an hour.. Well ok, lets give it a go 😉
Not also Interesting; also a great reminder of great and controversial seasons 👍
Kimi in 2007... That was going to happen regardless
Hamilton doesn't hold 7 titles, only 6 since the 2008 title was manipulated and rightously belongs to Massa!
Yeah, good to see that in this point system it would be Massa's title
What if the 107% rule and pre-qualifying didn’t exist
2023 and 2024
I think doing the 1-6 or 1-8 point system and counting all races would be an interesting video as well.
Good job but not completely fair. You must always remember and take into account that the entire championship in each year was held in such a way that all drivers and all teams knew all the details on the pointing system and did everything in accordance with this. You should know that this changes a lot.
Haas should have 0.5 points in 2021 due to Mazepins fastest lap in Belgium
how did masaspin get a fastst lap lol
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Schumacher the undisputed king of kings, keep fighting Michael 🐐🐐🐐🏎️🏎️🏎️🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Lewis is the goat and the king
What if the cars didn't break up? No engine failures. New championships?
Bs. The 2008 is a matter of corruption, and all that was credited to him after that was all based on the 2014 regulations that were designed to fit the Mercedes and against vettel. Otherwise. Vettel would still be winning. championships. And no one would be dreaming challenge him.
Changing the regulations in 2014 turned out to be like changing the ground of Wimbledon into clay court which needs quite different skills and has its own specialised players on clay court.
Lewis Hamilton was champion 8 times ((( they stole a championship from him )))
39:25 equalist of machinery....retire as a monaco based youtuber....kvyat torpedos his way to 9th. 😂😂😂😂 love that kinda humor
What is Formula 1 never added fake passing?
I mean DRS.
The whining nose ring is worth two f1 championships. Perhaps three. That's it.
If they didn't.......
Drivers would have approached the races way differently.
Simply converting results simply doesn't work
They had to change everything to stop Lewis from winning and literally hand championship to another driver because hes younger and has more of a social media presence with these dumb young a holss who are fans in the sport. It's gross the things that people say about Lewis. The sport has forever ruined itself to try to cooperate with young fans who can afford to go to the races anyway And most of them can afford cable either
I think AbuDhabi21 was primarily an exercise in #whiteSupremacy --- FIA didn't want Lewis a Black driver to have the most F1 titles -- This is why they lose their minds in MLB over Barry bonds beating Babe Ruth #Whitesupremacy Changes the rules last minute for the purposes of maintaining the Lie of #Whitesupremacy
The sport has been ruined since the 2010's Red Bull and Mercedes domination + new rules, regulations and limits.
video idea : all championships if the points were reversed
eg ; today, p10 is 25 points and p9 is 18 points
Are we looking for the most mid driver
@@chosenone6158 Yes, Lance Stroll is now 3x champion
@@BrandonA1 well I'm surprised he even got to p10
Tsunoda 2023 champion im calling it
I did that for 2022 season And Latifi dominated
Man I love your videos so much! The level of detail and the love for the sport is magical. Especially the long and deep dive videos. This is the type of content we need on yt
I have an idea: All the f1 championship points in Sprint Race points
Dont need to watch 48 minutes to know this will be great
Amazing I just clicked just realised new vid your lists are amazing best f1 based channel ever.
Loved the video mate
1981 Reutemann winning is good. He deserved it
Sort the last table by points average - Fangio just wins from Hamilton, Ascari then Prost
How did Verstappen and Hamilton both score more points than Red Bull and Mercedes in 2021? That wouldn't make sense. I believe there might be a miscalculation there somewhere
This happened in several seasons, you just cherry picked the most recent one. The reason is that the constructors' standings also took a team's best 70% of their results (the position of their highest finisher), but not the fastest laps, while the drivers did take the fastest laps. Then you end up with situations where if one single driver is the highest finisher for that team most of the time, and that driver also scores a few fastest laps, he'd score more points than the team.
Alonso 2 no 1
This video does bring one good question - why were only some races counted for championship? It just looks weird nowadays.
1. Reliability was horrible
2. Constructors and drivers didn't enter every race
3. Indy 500 was held on the same day as other races, despite it also being on the F1 calendar
2005 kimi and 2008 massa wouldve been so good, nice video
2023 McLaren now: Lando in title contention with those points and top 5 results. Sainz also cooking.
pointless(no pun intended) but interesting exercise, good work.
reutemann worl champion ⭐️⭐️⭐️x2
Any system that doesn't end up with 69 points for Hunt is just wrong.
When you said "Racing Point" ... did I detect a "t" at the start 🤣
Do it again with all the races counting.
great video
what if f1 was banned???? who is hammilton???
Should have 8. Because of DTS they changed the rules in the last minute having Max right behind Lewis with fresher tires. That was some bs
You Hamilton fans are pathetic about ad21 and yet ignore spygate which i don't believe for a second lewis wasn't in on.
The Kvyat torpedo comment was unnecessary....below the belt. Typical UK disrespect of anyone who has the indecency of not having a UK passport