It is very common in Chinese daily life. it is called炸酱面（zhajiangmian）, but I think it a little bit like another kind of noddles called 杂酱面(zajiangmian). And I am from Shandong, Her story touched me a lot, especially when she said she is huaqiao.
Chinese food is the universal foreign food found in almost every country in the world. Different country, different flavor adapted to local taste but in general they are usually cheap and good.
@@tavellcoops I'd argue that in every country you can find a pizza and burgers, you can find a Chinese restaurant and both are almost always within the same price range.
My great-grandma’s family moved from Korea to China (Shandong province) back in 19th Century. I wonder if she ever felt alienated from either her Korean heritage or the Chinese society. I was very young when she passed so I never got to have meaningful conversations with her. In her final years she only spoke Korean despite spending her entire life in China.
@@gopotyr3763 hmmm i see. sadly there is no such place providing original one in korea ( as far as i know) i hope some brave guy come and open restraunt making genuine zhaniangmian
@@crouchingstone you know what I just had Korean zhajiangmian (with seafood) yesterday due to my curiosity and it tasted amazing : ) I think Korean version suits my taste better, I will order more in the future xd
You can only be proud of it if you don't get beaten up for it, something which has happened to me. Being a half Indian-Italian and living in a LOT of countries for a while, I can confidently say that Singapore is one of the least racially-biased countries ever, I haven't spent enough time in Malaysia to know what it's like but the many times I went there, the contrast between Singapore and Malaysia is quite noticible. How is it up north?
@@marco_evertus Malaysia is much better than Singapore lol. At least in Malaysia all races preserve their culture. In Singapore everybody adopts a fake westernised culture.
@@TheSuperior100 If by "fake westernised culture" you mean Chinese, Malays and Indians living in the same block, working in the same company and eating on the same table then I'm proud to be Singaporean
We are all hwagyos in our adopted country, despite having lived here for generations. My family has been in Malaysia for 7 generations but there are still some who tell us to 'go back'. To where? Food is indeed a binding element, and I'm proud of the mix of food my family eats - mostly nyonya food - and being in Malaysia, the influence of all the other cultures too, Malay, Indian, Western etc.
@@kameatwithmepats8264 Ehhh...so someone told you to go back and what? They're wrong. Period. But don't close blind eye to what chinese systematic discrimination in their company (not really their company, but they're still boss). "Mandarin speaker's" facade and many more. Not all chinese are competent. But they still have more pay than you know who.
Well Chinese food is indeed the most popular cuisine. Adapted in various countries as per the taste. Here in India too the chowmein and dumplings are super popular. Some add masala to it to suit indian palate.
im not indian, but i think it came through states that india invaded or owned due to british colonial rule many states are influence by chinese and korean, central asian cultures like kashmir etc, there are also lots of northeast states wich are influenced by tibet ofcourse these arent ethenically indian but it is what adds to indias diversity =))
@@muizacetheadorable5319you are wrong. Some of the Chinese food in India were brought to India because the Communists won the war, so millions escaped communism by going to Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, India and even places like Jamaica. There was also massive waves of Chinese immigrants to India after 1911. It has nothing. To do with Indian geopolitics and everything to do with a crumbling society in China. Today more than 50 million Chinese people live abroad, that’s the population of Korea
An excellent episode! I love that you approach this part of Asian and Korean culture through this meal. Just like how we see the struggles of the Hwagyo in Korea there are the struggles of the Joseonjok (ethnic Koreans in China) and the struggles of Koreans living in Japan. We all suffer and make each other suffer but the food is always so good. A great lesson for us to remember and practice. And yes it can't be Korean without some tears!
To add to that I believe the name people use to refer to Koreans in Japan is Zainichi but I think in English people add on “Korean” so they say “Zainichi Korean.”
yes, korean and japanese food is extremely diffrent lol. but there arent many koreans in japan becuase historically japan wasnt connected to other land, also korea is very similar to chinese culture which is why there are many people going around to the other country lol =))
hoffen wir alle, aber schau was mit dieser frau ( rest inhaberin ) passiert, sie weinnte während der unterhaltung, bricht mein herz , sehr traurig dass heuzu tage rasistisch noch existiert
Did any other dongbei ren spot the guo bao rou on the dinner table too?? 😂 This definitely isn’t fusion. It’s just *Chinese* food with different ingredient proportions. You could blindfold a Chinese person from the northeast or Shandong and they’d still recognize these foods by taste.
lol no jjajangmyeon is very different from anything in China... It's unique to Korea. Just like how Ramen is unique to Japan. Sure it is influenced by Chinese and has roots in Chinese immigrants but they changed it for the local tastes. Just like how Hainanese Chicken Rice is not from Hainan but is actually Singaporean/Malaysian food.
@@sleepyhead6468 So pizza isn’t altered Italian food, it’s whatever whoever says it is? Again, the amounts of certain ingredients change and the texture changes, but it’s not unrecognizable neither by sight nor by taste to Chinese zhajiangmian. Lamian/ramen has a greater difference in taste than do Chinese zhajiangmian and the Korean version, come to think of it. lol Either way, for as Japanese as ramen is, no Japanese person would deny it as a Chinese food (while simultaneously being inseparable from Japan) in the same way no American would deny pizza being an Italian food, regardless of how much of a staple it is in America.
@@sleepyhead6468 influenced by and has roots in are two very different things. Jiajiangmyeon is zhajiangmian slightly altered for a Korean palate. Sichuan hot pot in Taiwan isn’t as spicy as Sichuan hot pot in Sichuan itself. It’s altered for the palate of the people in Taiwan, but it’s still Sichuan hot pot...
Belated but just wanted to let you know that its also called guo ba rou in Korea; and its considered something newly introduced to us from China recently. I love it and I know its from China:) Definately not part of the Korean-Chinese dishes that evolved itself in Korea.
I read one article before that why there are so many Korean-Chinese open a restaurant and selling the noodle in Korea, as the Korea don't allow they to have the same society standard as the Korean which the lady in the video saying they had to pay more taxes than the usual, and there will be more such as no-voting right, limit job opportunity and the list go on.
Thanks to president Park Chung hee of S.Korea(who was president in 1960s and 1970s), Chinese Hwagyos couldn't buy house as she mentioned. If he didn't do that, S.Korea might be like South East Asian countries where Chinese Hwagyos have major economic power. I as Korean thanks to presidnet Park Chung hee
@@bluewater3216 Koreans were persecuted in Japan, yet they hold immense power despite it. Most Pachinko parlors, almost all yakiniku (Korean-Japanese barbeque) are owned by Koreans, and the richest man in Japan, Masayoshi Son are examples.
@@bluewater3216 OMG, did I just saw someone praise for a racist policy? Meanwhile, my Korean Chinese classmates receive extra credits in the Chinese SAT just because they are ethnically Korean.
@@alisonlaw8768 Oh and by the way, Chinese hwagyo is not Korean citizen. Their nationality is China(or Taiwan). So it's absolutely normal that they don't have vote right. And I think "Korean Chinese" you said is Joseonjok. Joseonjok is not Korean. No one in Korea think Joseonjok as Korean. They are Chinese citizen.
@@Octavus5 not true btw. The hwagyo community is overwhelmingly pro Republic of China not PRC and possess ROC citizenship. Park Chung Hee discriminated against them because of their economic influence, not because of communism.
@@possiblyijt7400 So politics had NOTHING to do with it? That's not plausible. It was a period of strong nationalism, anti-communism crackdowns, and xenophobia. You think people distinguished PRC vs. ROC? It's all "Chinese" to them. And as far as they know, they fought with the evil "communists" in the North. They were all foreigners and evil communists to them.
For the Korean version you said, it is actually Chinese restaurants changing the noodles' taste for Korean people's preference. If you watch old Kdramas, all the black bean noodles were ordered from Chinese restaurants, and they look just the same as the ones Korean people have today.
I’ve had the Chinese version in flushing. Honestly it was good, but I’m so used to the korean version. Cuz it has more vegetables and it’s a more sweet. The Chinese versions a lot more pungent, strong, and salty. I guess that’s why they don’t give a lot of sauce with it. But overall it wasn’t bad. I think they do have their differences but obviously the origin doesn’t matter, as long as it tastes good
The Chinese version is supposed to be eaten with vegetables too. Depending on the season, as many as eight or perhaps up to a dozen different types of vegetables can be added as Caima or side dishes. I guess the Chinese Zhajiangmian you’ve eaten in New York isn’t authentic enough.
chewy noodles, lard, crunchy and chewy pork, crunchy sweet onion (and veggies), deep flavored soybean paste, savory and sweet (sugar, onion) balance. (sweet, savory, and greasy) Chinese chefs eliminate pork smell by frying in lard, scallion, ginger, soy sauce - Shandong cuisine. Brown bean paste (1 year) turns black through a longer fermenting process (3+ years) and brings a richer and deeper flavor. Bean paste has to be slightly fried to eliminate the acerbic taste.
Well it’s still considering Chinese food. It’s a bit sad that if you ask a Japanese where ramen and gyoza are from, they will tell you it’s from China, they are Chinese food. But if you ask people in the US, they will tell you it’s Japanese food.😅 Same with malatang, tanghulu, black bean paste noodle etc
Well they are Japanese foods. Even if the food or ingredient originated somewhere else, once it settles and evolved into that country's cusine, it becomes theirs. Korean Chinese food as well as American Chinese food are not the same as Chinese food. Same way not all dishes or ingredients in China are from China either. Culture flows and influences and changes.
@@Xentradi97 If you go to Japan, you will see that ramen and gyozo are served in Chinese restaurants. It’s considered Chinese food in Japan. And a lot of places and people still refer to ramen as Chuka soba…it literally means Chinese noodles. Ramen is also written in Katakana, which is the Japanese writing for foreign words, things that are not Japanese.
@@MikeM-cb7xv What are u talking abt? There are many standalone Ramen shops. And seperate Chinese restaurants serving japanese style Chinese foods. I've been to Japan many times. Ur talking nonsense. And yes Ramen's origin is Chinese but the cuisine settled in Japan a long time ago and evolved into its own distinctly Japanese which is different than any noodle dish in China. So yes it is Japanese cuisine. Just as Am hamburger, hotdogs, and pizza are American. People, especially those insecure about their own culture put so much emphasis in who was the first. Which is a useless arguement as what matters is the current form and who has the best or unuque.
@@Xentradi97 No, you’re talking nonsense. Yes, there are standalone ramen shops just like there are stand alone pizza shops. I didn’t say ramen and gyozo were only served in Chinese restaurants. I’ve been to Japan plenty of times too. You’re the one that is insecure. And you obviously don’t know any Japanese language. Ramen is written in katakana. Gyozo, ramen and fried rice are considered Chinese cuisine in Japan. Pizza isn’t just served in Italian restaurants. You can get pizza in stand alone pizza shops. Just because pizza in the US has been adapted to American tastes doesn’t mean that pizza isn’t Italian any more in the U.S. I’m sure won’t find too many places in Italy serving deep dish pizza or pizza with pineapple topping. There are many noodle dishes in China. And there are still a lot of restaurants in Japan that serve ramen the same way it was served when Chinese immigrants brought it to Japan. Google Chuka Soba. There are a lot of places that still call ramen Chuka soba. Pizza is essentially still the same, pizza dough baked with tomato sauce, mozzarella cheese and toppings. Likewise with ramen, it’s still made with Chinese wheat noodles in usually a meat based broth. If you want to see Japanese noodles then google soba, which is buckwheat noodles usually eaten without meat. Soba is the Japanese word for noodles. Ramen comes from the Chinese word la mian.
@@MikeM-cb7xv i do speak Japanese and already said there's no dispute on the origin of cuisine. But nobody both inside of Japan and outside, disputes Japanese ramen is uniquely its own different to any of Chinese noodle dishes. And u can easily find Japanese ramen shops in many cities across Asia including China. Do they think Japanese Ramen is Chinese food? No. Is Orange chicken Chinese despite being Chinese origin or influenced? No. Even Chinese do not think so. So what are you trying to say exactly?
Well, she means it is not authentic Chinese food. Just like how my mom hates American Chinese food and always says the taste of my cooking is like Panda Express.
to translate what 岑sir is saying: "it's only those up north and nearer to Korea and the Bohai who eat these kinds of noodles. Us here in Shanghai don't even like them (noodles) at all! it's too unrefined of a taste, as compared to our local noodle." basically, regionalism is still pretty strong in China, and a country of 1.5 billion people is obviously going to have very diverse and different cultures. I'm chinese and even I think of jjajjangmyeon as Korean-Chinese (the predecessor, zhajiangmian, i always, very much think of as a Northern dish - my family is Southern. That's not to say i don't love eating it) it's like how even though nowadays naengmyeon is found regularly in the south, it was originally a more northern dish and to outsiders, tteok, bibimbap, sujeonggwa, dakgalbi, mandu, whatever it's all just korean food
They are Chinese-Korean and it’s Chinese-Korean food with Chinese roots. And Chinese-Koreans shouldn’t be discriminated against because when the Japanese annexed Korea they tried to wipe out Korean culture and there are Koreans living in China and China is a lot bigger than Korea.
The Chinese were discriminated in SKorea because of the Cold War. SKorea's leadership was pro-Washington, and thus had to be anti-communist China. Anti-communism was imposed on SKoreans by Washington. It was not organic or natural.
We have a Korean autonomous city in China, which is yanji, there are millions of Korean minoritys in there, yanji now is top tourist destination of liaoning province and famous for korean food
@@벚벗 it’s zhajiangmian. Same name. Same dish. Different proportions for ingredients. Only a slight change. That’s like saying Koreans putting kimchi and bbq on pizza makes it a different dish. Hush.
koreans gotta realize, theres a lot of shared history between them and chinese people. both countries were affected by imperial japan, for one. sure you have different identities, but there is a collective aspect of those identities which should be cherished. as members of all diaspora understand, the merging of two cultures creates not just new fushion, but a brand new identity. you can be both at the same time, and that just proves how flexible these identities truly are.
Sometimes east Asians and to certain extend SEA need to understand that these animosities are driven by third party not in this region for their own benefit. APAC is already one of the biggest economical block, we can start to rely on them less and less.
In China, people eat foreign food occasionally for fun, especially Japanese food, Korean food, American fast food, but in many Asian countries, especailly those sorrounding China, eating localized Chinese food is part of their daily life.
I have family in China. I am 90% certain that Korean food is currently the most popular foreign food in China. I’m only counting authentic food. Japanese food might still be ahead but Korean food must be a close second just judging by number of Lorean restaurants I saw in multiple Chinese cities. And how full they are. McDonald’s or KFC is neither authentic nor a representation of proper American food. It’s barely even food. So I don’t count those when I say most popular.
As a Chinese person I've never understood the appeal of the Korean version of Zhajiangmian. I and other Chinese often comment on how bland it is. Even the authentic version is rarely ordered in China because there are so many better noodle dishes to choose from.
Previously, Korea n Vietnam were Tribunal state of Ching n Ming dinasty while Japan was Tang’s Tribunal state. Sinosphere countries consist of south east Asia.
@@JuanCarlos-dz7wc Kim is Fujianese / Hokienese. Lee Kim thay is Chinese but Kim is least chinese use as last name. Kim is Chin in mandarin means Gold.
It’s sad that she doesn’t feel Korea at all. There’s nothing wrong with feeling like a local, even if there were traumas to past generations. I am a Chinese Canadian and I have no problem saying I feel Canadian, even though there used to be sever discrimination
ya klar , du bist in canada , ein viel volker staat und du bist akzeptiert , canada ist ein sehr freundliches land , korea ist dagegen, die frau ( rest inhaberin ) fulltsich nicht weder korea noch chinesin wei sie in korea nicht akzeptiert ist , krea sind rasis, deswegwn, würde an ihrer stelle auswandern,
I think one big difference is citizenship. If you are born in Canada you become citizen. In Korea, your parent must be korean citizen in order to gain korean citizenship. Therefore, there are lot of cases where a person is like 4th generation in korea but still is a foreign in paper.
She did say she doesn’t feel Korean etc. I am Chinese and some of my best friends are Koreans, most are nice. One time I was invited to my friends house, his younger brothers would not address me because I am Chinese.
Ding Ling How She was talking about Chinese life in Korea in the post-war period. Of course there's going to be discrimination. SKorea just fought a war with Mainland China.
The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓) As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea. In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦"). It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國). Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language. Record of the Three Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan Classical Chinese 辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。 English Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴). - 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝 The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla. the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east. 『後漢書』 辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》 It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
Jinhan people was a Japonic nation, not Korean. Koreanic countries existed in the North as Gojoseon Buyeo Goguryeo, and conquested the South as Beakje and Goryeo. I dont get why you talk about non Koreans who were culturally subjected and assimilated into Koreans.
※South Korean Hwagyo Identity(Old-fashioned) Explained. Nationality: ROC(Taiwan). Place Born and living: ROK(SouthKorea). Ethnicity:HanChinese from grandfather-side(mostly from Shandong), Korean from Grandmother-side. Education: mostly ROC school Education(in Korea) Language: Shandong dialect style ROC standard Chinese.+fluent Korean with little poor grammar when written(it depends though). In China they are oversea Taiwan Chinese. In Taiwan they are oversea citizen but with some limited rights. In S Korea they are foriegners living with special visa but you may not know they exist. And there were lots Hwagyos from Korea fled to America, for some economic descrimination reason. And, there are some Hwagyos in North Korea too. They have PRC Nationality and live among North Koreans.
@@Wandrative it depands...a lot of hwagyo people have one korean grandma or mother. And most of them had ROC education from their school, so speaking Korean during other classes were strictly prohibited. They do not have Korean passport. They do not have the right to get benefits from Korean healthcare system. Still, they pay tax. So it is a pity to tell them that they are not Hwagyo. They are! Because technically they cannot and do not get benefits from Korean welfare system.
When i realised korean food very similar to dongbei food, i know our cultures very similar. However, nothing wrong to be patriots but dun be misled n used by the west.
Well Dongbei area used to be Korean land too. Even today, many ethnic Koreans are living in that area so not surprised if the food has similarities. When Han Chinese migrate to the Dongbei region, of course the local food culture of the ethnic peoples like the Koreans and Han Chinese food culture is going to blend together over time.
If that lady were African American....This whole segment would have been about the white man keeping her people down............... God bless her.......As a Latino born and raised in the United States , I've never truly felt American here but love Meerica anyways...It's home.
She was literally tearing up at the end of the segment when reflecting back on the discrimination she faced as a hwagyeo in Korea. Did you even watch the video?
Not really. White people did keep black people down in every aspect EXCEPT food. White people in America have been loving and encouraging black American food since slavery. Why do you think the south has the best food in the US? lol
@@tc2334 objection... this calls for speculation... the south has good food, but its a stretch to call it the best... they also encourage the black community in sports and fine arts... (music)...
@@tofudofu2695 Clearly, that was said in jest. However, to an extent, I would objectively maintain that the southern/southeastern part of the United States broadly has the better food. Between traditional southern/soul food, Cajun and Creole cuisine, and Tex-Mex...I don't think any other region has as much concentration of culinary history. I love a midwestern hotdish too and New England crab cakes and clam chowder, but it's just not as good as the stuff you get down south.
Chinese food is unhealthy and greasy. I wish it disappears from Korea. People who know how to preserve their culture and not be violated by China will be guarded against the Chinese. And that is the opposite of foolish. Its called wisdom.
No, its false.. they're just close on culture but not same DNA root origin.. Chinese people are Han and come from middle/southern part of China.. Meanwhile, Korean come from Manchu-Mongolia area (Altaic people) then fulfill the peninsula.. Japanese is mixed race between Jomon and Yayoi people.. They're all different
So now in south Korea if you are looking for chinese, there are the Hwagyos(ROC), China-mainlanders(PRC), Taiwanese(ROC), Hongkongers(PRC), Macau People(PRC)...
Interesting. When I go to Flushing NY where Chinatown and Koreatown coexist. Staff at some Korean restaurants speak both Chinese and Korean fluently. I always thought they were North Korean Chinese that came over to the US. Growing up in NYC my Korean friends would ask about how to make jajangmyeon and I would go "don't know what you're talking about." They'd be puzzled. My familial background is Southern Chinese so jajangmyeon was not a staple food.
@@dzhang25642000 Maybe. The people you mentioned might be Hwagyo. or might be Korean Chinese(PRC Josunjok"ChaoXianZu") living in New York. A ChaoXianZu is a Ethnic Korean living in Northeast China. Can be North or South Korean Decendents, but they are PRC Citizens. They are moving out far from their hometown and working abroad recently, to Korea and the West. A lot of service workers in South Korea and Korean town in america now is ChaoXianZu actually. And North Korean defectors living in NY are different story. But we all eat Gimchi.
Somehow the concept of a new breed is hard for people around the world to grasp. If Bob and Mary made a baby, that baby is neither Bob nor Mary, rather it's Jane (completely different with some roots to both). The concept is easier to understand if we bred a human with a sea turtle, then everyone understands what comes out is neither human nor sea turtle but something entirely different with some roots to both. Just as Jajangmyeon and Noodles with Blackbean sauce aren't the same; one is sweet the other salty, Chinese-Koreans are not Chinese nor are they Korean, they are a unique breed. Trying to fit into a box that wasn't made for you is a futile endeavor. And others trying to shove you in a box that wasn't made for you is ignorant.
Half of Korean history was founded by chinese immigrants. 1. Gija was a chinese noble from the Shang dynasty, after it fell to the Zhou dynasty, gija left China with 5000 men and settled down in gojoseon and became the first king of korea. 2.wiman was another chinese man from the state of yan, he left China and settled down in gojoseon. He took over the thrones from gijas descendants and become the king of korea. 3.han empire went to war and invaded wiman joseon and gojoseon fell and the chinese set up 4 commentaries in north korea.(The main commandery, Lelang, existed for 400 years. That was in present day North Korea. (There is archeological and written evidence for the commanderies.). 4.silla was founded by Qin Chinese immigrants. 5.joseon was like the son to the ming dynasty of china 朝鲜日本皆中国子，朝鲜孝子也，日本逆子也。----《朝鲜王朝实录》 Korea and Japan are all sons of China, Korea is a dutiful son, and Japan is a rebellious son. ---- "Records of the Joseon Dynasty"
@@twiggymcgwire8608 The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓) As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea. In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦"). It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國). Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language. Record of the Three Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan Classical Chinese 辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。 English Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴). - 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝 The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla. the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east. 『後漢書』 辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》 It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
It's bizarre that Chinese need to be Koreanized when Korea has been sinicized (Chinanized) for thousand of years. FYI, Zhangjiangmian has different forms in China, Shandong style is just one of the regional takes of the dish, there are Beijing style, Tianjin style, Dongbei style zhangjiangmian etc.
I wouldn't say that Korea has been deeply Sinicized at all, whether in a culinary sense or in general culture. Conficianism certainly had a strong impact on Korean culture and being neighbours some natural influences occur but I would say that Korea has been far less influenced by China than say some South Eastern Asian countries like Vietnam or Thailand.
Molae HIN Vietnam yes because both kingdoms often crossed over but I don’t think Thailand that much? The Chinese on the border to Korea seem pretty similar.
J L - I included Thailand because of the massive Southern Chinese migation to Thailand over several centuries. It wasn't Chinese political influence but rather cultural influence via migration. The Thais have been very good at integrating and assimilating the Chinese into Thai society though.
Korean ethnic Chinese in China cannot even become teacher because of oppression from Han Chinese. They used to be one of poorest ethnic group until 30%of the population started to work in SK. Now they have highest income per capita, even higher than Han Chinese.
Of course everything is Chinese! Just like how modern Chinese copy Korean TV shows, music, without paying royalties, claim Kimchi, Hanbok, Taekwondo, etc. FYI, half of China's recorded history is one of being ruled by foreigners (Manchuria and Mongolia; mainly the Liao, Jin, Xia, Yuan, and Qing).
Of course everything is Chinese! Just like how modern Chinese copy Korean TV shows, music, without paying royalties, claim Kimchi, Hanbok, Taekwondo, etc. FYI, half of China's recorded history is one of being ruled by foreigners (Manchuria and Mongolia; mainly the Liao, Jin, Xia, Yuan, and Qing).
@@sociolocomtsac The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓) As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea. In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦"). It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國). Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language. Record of the Three Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan Classical Chinese 辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。 English Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴). - 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝 The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla. the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east. 『後漢書』 辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》 It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
@@sociolocomtsac Half of China's recorded history is being ruled by foreigners? Can you count? And of the five you mentioned, Han Chinese still retained control of most of what we now know has China during those dynasties (Liao, Jin, Xia). Of its history of about 4000-5000 years, all China/Han Chinese were ruled by "foreigners" (Mongols and Manchus) for a grand total of 365 years.
How is that not fusion? I don’t care if it’s a organically born from Chinese immigrants in Korea… it combines influences from two cultures. That is Fusion! It doesn’t need to be a combination of two existing cuisines to be called fusion. This is fusion!
Fusion is a genuine collaboration of two cuisines, rather than with the goal of changing recipes to appease local taste and with an exotic/foreign appeal. Fusion can be born naturally out of multiethnic regions, but not in regions where it's to only appeal to one demographic. That's why you only see small Chinese takeouts in small towns in the US where mostly only white people live, but authentic Cantonese restaurants are everywhere in big cities with a dense Chinese population in the US. South Koreans refer to jjajangmyeon and jjamppong as "Chinese food", the same way small town white Americans refer to fortune cookies and crab rangoon as Chinese food.
@@honeycake9111 The answer is yes. I've seen Chinese claim hamburger was originally from China. They even think English is a Chinese dialect. A Chinese university professor actually said that. LOL. Many Chinese think everything originated from China. They are ridiculous and shameless.
Their granfathers went here with Qing Army to sell stuff to Qing Army. Or they came here just before China became the Comunist Country. And they were good merchants, they were kind of Big Players in Korean Economy. And thet got married with wives from their hometown in China or married Korean. Why their decendents remain ROC passport? Because of these process. 1.Korean Law says child's nationality is his or her father's nationality(not mothers). 2. And the father's father's father is Chinese. 3. We were not a friend to PRC before 90s so... ROC was The China. 4. So ROC took care of Hwagyo. And some Korean presidents wanted to cotrol their number and power so they changed some laws to do so. And rich Hwagyos fled to America or Taiwan or HK, but that is another story. And now there are Chinese from PRC mainland, we just call them Chinese no matter how long they lived here, but these terms can go flexible some times.
@@teddington95 I am talking about Korean Nationality laws...At least it was like that. That is why some guys I know in Seoul still have ROC passport. They have Korean grandmothers. The law could be changed, but when I talked with Korean Hwagyo Naver Cafe leader, he told me these stories so it was like that before, i do not know if it changed or not.
Thanks to president Park Chung hee of S.Korea(who was president in 1960s and 1970s), Chinese Hwagyos couldn't buy house as she mentioned. If he didn't do that, S.Korea might be like South East Asian countries where Chinese Hwagyos have major economic power. I as Korean thanks to president Park Chung hee.
@@nostradamus2642 Yes, Tang dynasty did invade and, after years, eventually overwhelm with numbers and with Silla's help. Did they "rule"? That's up for debate. Korea remained separate and independent state. You could say North Korea is part of China after Korean War because they sent millions of soldiers into Korea but most would argue that North Korea remains a separate state.
@@jasonreviews he means it’s an entirely new cuisine derived from the original in a new country. General tso’s is Chinese food adapted to American tastes. Similar to dim sims. Boba is just a direct import
you could also argue first chinatown was in Sumatra and/or Java, with records of Chinese Muslim missionaries setting up shop there converting the locals coming from Marco Polo (late 1200s, way earlier than even Binondo) China also invaded Korea a bunch of times, and for most of history Korea and Vietnam were semi-autonomous kingdoms under China's thumb, with Chinese royalty, bureaucrats and scholars populating and creating cities within them. Are those not also Chinatowns? point being, it's never clear.
trauruge story, ich würde an deine stelle nach western auswandern, wo ein land ohne diskriminierung, egal woher du stammst, einfach korea verlassen so ein sch...... tt
China Had been Manchurized and Mongolized for centuries as their colonies and still can't understand why either Manchurian or Mongolian foods have to be altered to meet chinese people's tastes. Influenced by all that Manchurian or Mongolian fasion, hairstyle, language, architecture, writing system. Yet modern so called chinese people claim it's CHINESE history.
@@tofudofu2695 He's referring to when ethnic Mongols and Manchus ruled China, saying that those dynasties "were not Chinese" when that is simply not true. The conquerors adopted much of the local Chinese culture, so much so that the late Manchu emperors could only speak Mandarin.
Did you not understand what the girl interview said?! She said it was an original Chinese dish that was recreated to fit Korean tastes . So this version of jjajangmyun is not something you would see in a authentic Chinese restaurant. It’s the Chinese that is claiming all Korean culture is theirs like kimchi!
Wrong. America divided Korea. China merely entered the Korean war in defense of it's ally, NKorea. Both Koreas wanted to reunify the country AFTER IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED BY THE US.
@@Octavus5 If China had not helped North Korea, Korea would have already been unified. I hope you learn history properly. The only ones who are grateful to China are the Kim Jong-un family. North Korean people are also not grateful to China. China fought for Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-un.
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It is very common in Chinese daily life. it is called炸酱面（zhajiangmian）, but I think it a little bit like another kind of noddles called 杂酱面(zajiangmian). And I am from Shandong, Her story touched me a lot, especially when she said she is huaqiao.
Chinese food is the universal foreign food found in almost every country in the world. Different country, different flavor adapted to local taste but in general they are usually cheap and good.
Maybe you choose cheap one.
Ahh. Pizza and burgers have a few words to say
@@tavellcoops you go online and search for the history of pizza. pizza was brought to Italy from China by Marco Polo.
@@tavellcoops I'd argue that in every country you can find a pizza and burgers, you can find a Chinese restaurant and both are almost always within the same price range.
My great-grandma’s family moved from Korea to China (Shandong province) back in 19th Century. I wonder if she ever felt alienated from either her Korean heritage or the Chinese society. I was very young when she passed so I never got to have meaningful conversations with her. In her final years she only spoke Korean despite spending her entire life in China.
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Zhajiangmian is the Chinese name of jjajangmyeon, and it's still popular in Northern China nowadays , esp. Beijing.
wow I wanna try the original one. is it as sweet as what is in korea?
@@crouchingstone i didnt try the Korean one, but i had one in Beijing and it's too dry and a bit sweet to me (i like noodles with broth)
@@gopotyr3763 hmmm i see. sadly there is no such place providing original one in korea ( as far as i know) i hope some brave guy come and open restraunt making genuine zhaniangmian
@@crouchingstone you know what I just had Korean zhajiangmian (with seafood) yesterday due to my curiosity and it tasted amazing : )
I think Korean version suits my taste better, I will order more in the future xd
郎 Is true (I am a Korean)
I'm korean and tasted both versions. Honestly, the basic taste of them is the same. It's just the Korean version is more saucy.
Agree with you, and in the Chinese version, they don't add any vegetables while frying the sauce.
Hwagyeo literally means overseas Chinese , so she’s Chinese by ethnicity but not by nationality
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Hwagyeo is mean Huazhao ?
@@serbaserbi6004 华侨
@@serbaserbi6004 Yes 華僑. 韓國華僑(韓華) is 中國山東出身, 中華民國(臺灣)國籍者. 實際上10萬人左右 (韓國人口5100萬)
No. Most of them still have Chinese(Taiwanese) nationality.
Always comfortable with your skin colour. I’m happy and proud my Chinese roots but third generation in Malaysia
You can only be proud of it if you don't get beaten up for it, something which has happened to me.
Being a half Indian-Italian and living in a LOT of countries for a while, I can confidently say that Singapore is one of the least racially-biased countries ever, I haven't spent enough time in Malaysia to know what it's like but the many times I went there, the contrast between Singapore and Malaysia is quite noticible.
How is it up north?
@@marco_evertus Malaysia is much better than Singapore lol. At least in Malaysia all races preserve their culture. In Singapore everybody adopts a fake westernised culture.
@@TheSuperior100 If by "fake westernised culture" you mean Chinese, Malays and Indians living in the same block, working in the same company and eating on the same table then I'm proud to be Singaporean
We are all hwagyos in our adopted country, despite having lived here for generations. My family has been in Malaysia for 7 generations but there are still some who tell us to 'go back'. To where? Food is indeed a binding element, and I'm proud of the mix of food my family eats - mostly nyonya food - and being in Malaysia, the influence of all the other cultures too, Malay, Indian, Western etc.
@@kameatwithmepats8264 Ehhh...so someone told you to go back and what? They're wrong. Period.
But don't close blind eye to what chinese systematic discrimination in their company (not really their company, but they're still boss). "Mandarin speaker's" facade and many more. Not all chinese are competent. But they still have more pay than you know who.
So Hwagyo = 华侨 huaqiao (overseas chinese).
Well Chinese food is indeed the most popular cuisine. Adapted in various countries as per the taste. Here in India too the chowmein and dumplings are super popular. Some add masala to it to suit indian palate.
im not indian, but i think it came through states that india invaded or owned due to british colonial rule many states are influence by chinese and korean, central asian cultures like kashmir etc, there are also lots of northeast states wich are influenced by tibet ofcourse these arent ethenically indian but it is what adds to indias diversity =))
@@muizacetheadorable5319you are wrong. Some of the Chinese food in India were brought to India because the Communists won the war, so millions escaped communism by going to Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, India and even places like Jamaica. There was also massive waves of Chinese immigrants to India after 1911. It has nothing. To do with Indian geopolitics and everything to do with a crumbling society in China. Today more than 50 million Chinese people live abroad, that’s the population of Korea
An excellent episode! I love that you approach this part of Asian and Korean culture through this meal. Just like how we see the struggles of the Hwagyo in Korea there are the struggles of the Joseonjok (ethnic Koreans in China) and the struggles of Koreans living in Japan. We all suffer and make each other suffer but the food is always so good. A great lesson for us to remember and practice. And yes it can't be Korean without some tears!
To add to that I believe the name people use to refer to Koreans in Japan is Zainichi but I think in English people add on “Korean” so they say “Zainichi Korean.”
yes, korean and japanese food is extremely diffrent lol. but there arent many koreans in japan becuase historically japan wasnt connected to other land, also korea is very similar to chinese culture which is why there are many people going around to the other country lol =))
hope there is no discrimination at all in this world
hoffen wir alle, aber schau was mit dieser frau ( rest inhaberin ) passiert, sie weinnte während der unterhaltung, bricht mein herz , sehr traurig dass heuzu tage rasistisch noch existiert
If she thinks she korean. She is korean but she doesn't
Did any other dongbei ren spot the guo bao rou on the dinner table too?? 😂 This definitely isn’t fusion. It’s just *Chinese* food with different ingredient proportions. You could blindfold a Chinese person from the northeast or Shandong and they’d still recognize these foods by taste.
lol no jjajangmyeon is very different from anything in China... It's unique to Korea. Just like how Ramen is unique to Japan. Sure it is influenced by Chinese and has roots in Chinese immigrants but they changed it for the local tastes. Just like how Hainanese Chicken Rice is not from Hainan but is actually Singaporean/Malaysian food.
@@sleepyhead6468 So pizza isn’t altered Italian food, it’s whatever whoever says it is? Again, the amounts of certain ingredients change and the texture changes, but it’s not unrecognizable neither by sight nor by taste to Chinese zhajiangmian. Lamian/ramen has a greater difference in taste than do Chinese zhajiangmian and the Korean version, come to think of it. lol Either way, for as Japanese as ramen is, no Japanese person would deny it as a Chinese food (while simultaneously being inseparable from Japan) in the same way no American would deny pizza being an Italian food, regardless of how much of a staple it is in America.
@@sleepyhead6468 influenced by and has roots in are two very different things. Jiajiangmyeon is zhajiangmian slightly altered for a Korean palate. Sichuan hot pot in Taiwan isn’t as spicy as Sichuan hot pot in Sichuan itself. It’s altered for the palate of the people in Taiwan, but it’s still Sichuan hot pot...
I tried both thinking they were gonna be very different. Honestly they taste practically the same but Korean version is more saucy.
Belated but just wanted to let you know that its also called guo ba rou in Korea; and its considered something newly introduced to us from China recently. I love it and I know its from China:) Definately not part of the Korean-Chinese dishes that evolved itself in Korea.
I read one article before that why there are so many Korean-Chinese open a restaurant and selling the noodle in Korea, as the Korea don't allow they to have the same society standard as the Korean which the lady in the video saying they had to pay more taxes than the usual, and there will be more such as no-voting right, limit job opportunity and the list go on.
Thanks to president Park Chung hee of S.Korea(who was president in 1960s and 1970s), Chinese Hwagyos couldn't buy house as she mentioned. If he didn't do that, S.Korea might be like South East Asian countries where Chinese Hwagyos have major economic power. I as Korean thanks to presidnet Park Chung hee
@@bluewater3216 Koreans were persecuted in Japan, yet they hold immense power despite it. Most Pachinko parlors, almost all yakiniku (Korean-Japanese barbeque) are owned by Koreans, and the richest man in Japan, Masayoshi Son are examples.
@@sociolocomtsac We didn't colonize China
@@bluewater3216 OMG, did I just saw someone praise for a racist policy? Meanwhile, my Korean Chinese classmates receive extra credits in the Chinese SAT just because they are ethnically Korean.
@@alisonlaw8768 Oh and by the way, Chinese hwagyo is not Korean citizen. Their nationality is China(or Taiwan). So it's absolutely normal that they don't have vote right. And I think "Korean Chinese" you said is Joseonjok. Joseonjok is not Korean. No one in Korea think Joseonjok as Korean. They are Chinese citizen.
The Chinese community in the Koreas have seen much discrimination over the years, as in other countries. There is a realization
Because of the Cold War... because of Washington. SKorea was a puppet and remains a US puppet.
Cold War politics.
@@Octavus5 not true btw. The hwagyo community is overwhelmingly pro Republic of China not PRC and possess ROC citizenship. Park Chung Hee discriminated against them because of their economic influence, not because of communism.
@@possiblyijt7400 So politics had NOTHING to do with it? That's not plausible. It was a period of strong nationalism, anti-communism crackdowns, and xenophobia. You think people distinguished PRC vs. ROC? It's all "Chinese" to them. And as far as they know, they fought with the evil "communists" in the North. They were all foreigners and evil communists to them.
I tried both in China. The Korean version is sooooo much better for my taste. Now I'm hungry.
For the Korean version you said, it is actually Chinese restaurants changing the noodles' taste for Korean people's preference. If you watch old Kdramas, all the black bean noodles were ordered from Chinese restaurants, and they look just the same as the ones Korean people have today.
I’ve had the Chinese version in flushing. Honestly it was good, but I’m so used to the korean version. Cuz it has more vegetables and it’s a more sweet. The Chinese versions a lot more pungent, strong, and salty. I guess that’s why they don’t give a lot of sauce with it. But overall it wasn’t bad. I think they do have their differences but obviously the origin doesn’t matter, as long as it tastes good
The Chinese version is supposed to be eaten with vegetables too. Depending on the season, as many as eight or perhaps up to a dozen different types of vegetables can be added as Caima or side dishes. I guess the Chinese Zhajiangmian you’ve eaten in New York isn’t authentic enough.
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Someone tried it in both countries, but prefer the other.
chewy noodles, lard, crunchy and chewy pork, crunchy sweet onion (and veggies), deep flavored soybean paste, savory and sweet (sugar, onion) balance. (sweet, savory, and greasy)
Chinese chefs eliminate pork smell by frying in lard, scallion, ginger, soy sauce - Shandong cuisine. Brown bean paste (1 year) turns black through a longer fermenting process (3+ years) and brings a richer and deeper flavor. Bean paste has to be slightly fried to eliminate the acerbic taste.
Why no one talks about how much Chinese immigrants suffering in SK?
I wonder what made this specific Chinese dish so well adapted to Korean tastes?
It has this intense savory, funky taste that pairs so well with pickled radish.
@HahThatsWhatSheSaid totally not Italian. It's good fusion though
I prefer the original version. The Korean version lacks punch and intensity of the sauce.
Well it’s still considering Chinese food. It’s a bit sad that if you ask a Japanese where ramen and gyoza are from, they will tell you it’s from China, they are Chinese food. But if you ask people in the US, they will tell you it’s Japanese food.😅 Same with malatang, tanghulu, black bean paste noodle etc
Well they are Japanese foods. Even if the food or ingredient originated somewhere else, once it settles and evolved into that country's cusine, it becomes theirs. Korean Chinese food as well as American Chinese food are not the same as Chinese food. Same way not all dishes or ingredients in China are from China either. Culture flows and influences and changes.
@@Xentradi97 If you go to Japan, you will see that ramen and gyozo are served in Chinese restaurants. It’s considered Chinese food in Japan. And a lot of places and people still refer to ramen as Chuka soba…it literally means Chinese noodles. Ramen is also written in Katakana, which is the Japanese writing for foreign words, things that are not Japanese.
@@MikeM-cb7xv What are u talking abt? There are many standalone Ramen shops. And seperate Chinese restaurants serving japanese style Chinese foods. I've been to Japan many times. Ur talking nonsense. And yes Ramen's origin is Chinese but the cuisine settled in Japan a long time ago and evolved into its own distinctly Japanese which is different than any noodle dish in China. So yes it is Japanese cuisine. Just as Am hamburger, hotdogs, and pizza are American. People, especially those insecure about their own culture put so much emphasis in who was the first. Which is a useless arguement as what matters is the current form and who has the best or unuque.
@@Xentradi97 No, you’re talking nonsense. Yes, there are standalone ramen shops just like there are stand alone pizza shops. I didn’t say ramen and gyozo were only served in Chinese restaurants. I’ve been to Japan plenty of times too. You’re the one that is insecure. And you obviously don’t know any Japanese language. Ramen is written in katakana. Gyozo, ramen and fried rice are considered Chinese cuisine in Japan. Pizza isn’t just served in Italian restaurants. You can get pizza in stand alone pizza shops. Just because pizza in the US has been adapted to American tastes doesn’t mean that pizza isn’t Italian any more in the U.S. I’m sure won’t find too many places in Italy serving deep dish pizza or pizza with pineapple topping. There are many noodle dishes in China. And there are still a lot of restaurants in Japan that serve ramen the same way it was served when Chinese immigrants brought it to Japan. Google Chuka Soba. There are a lot of places that still call ramen Chuka soba. Pizza is essentially still the same, pizza dough baked with tomato sauce, mozzarella cheese and toppings. Likewise with ramen, it’s still made with Chinese wheat noodles in usually a meat based broth. If you want to see Japanese noodles then google soba, which is buckwheat noodles usually eaten without meat. Soba is the Japanese word for noodles. Ramen comes from the Chinese word la mian.
@@MikeM-cb7xv i do speak Japanese and already said there's no dispute on the origin of cuisine. But nobody both inside of Japan and outside, disputes Japanese ramen is uniquely its own different to any of Chinese noodle dishes. And u can easily find Japanese ramen shops in many cities across Asia including China. Do they think Japanese Ramen is Chinese food? No.
Is Orange chicken Chinese despite being Chinese origin or influenced? No. Even Chinese do not think so.
So what are you trying to say exactly?
As korean , We call it chinese food and chinese restaurants but.. my chinese friend say its not
I was like @_@?
炸酱面只是山东北京那些地方的食物 我们上海根本不喜欢这种食物 和上海的面食相比炸酱面太过于粗糙
I guess its what other people believe chinese food should not, not how it really is.
Well, she means it is not authentic Chinese food. Just like how my mom hates American Chinese food and always says the taste of my cooking is like Panda Express.
@@sir1547 草炸酱面比大排面好吃一百倍。
to translate what 岑sir is saying:
"it's only those up north and nearer to Korea and the Bohai who eat these kinds of noodles. Us here in Shanghai don't even like them (noodles) at all! it's too unrefined of a taste, as compared to our local noodle."
basically, regionalism is still pretty strong in China, and a country of 1.5 billion people is obviously going to have very diverse and different cultures. I'm chinese and even I think of jjajjangmyeon as Korean-Chinese (the predecessor, zhajiangmian, i always, very much think of as a Northern dish - my family is Southern. That's not to say i don't love eating it)
it's like how even though nowadays naengmyeon is found regularly in the south, it was originally a more northern dish
and to outsiders, tteok, bibimbap, sujeonggwa, dakgalbi, mandu, whatever
it's all just korean food
They are Chinese-Korean and it’s Chinese-Korean food with Chinese roots. And Chinese-Koreans shouldn’t be discriminated against because when the Japanese annexed Korea they tried to wipe out Korean culture and there are Koreans living in China and China is a lot bigger than Korea.
We taught them how to read Korean.
The Chinese were discriminated in SKorea because of the Cold War. SKorea's leadership was pro-Washington, and thus had to be anti-communist China. Anti-communism was imposed on SKoreans by Washington. It was not organic or natural.
It was the Cold War, buddy. Everyone took sides.
We have a Korean autonomous city in China, which is yanji, there are millions of Korean minoritys in there, yanji now is top tourist destination of liaoning province and famous for korean food
I really enjoy this series. Your both are great story tellers
Junie Huang yes they are they should have more episodes
It's also a Chinese dish. I'm Chinese, my Grandparents made it and now my parents. The version my parents make is also a black bean meat version.
korean chinese food is not chinese food
this food made in korea
because your chinese food was not tasty to korean
@@벚벗 your Korean food also not tasty to Chinese
@@wdepigutong5892 pitiful
real chinese food is not tasty
thats why chinese korean make another jajangmyeon
@@벚벗 it’s zhajiangmian. Same name. Same dish. Different proportions for ingredients. Only a slight change. That’s like saying Koreans putting kimchi and bbq on pizza makes it a different dish. Hush.
@@tc2334 noodle is not only chinese lol
two is totally different. same taste?
have u eaten? lol
koreans gotta realize, theres a lot of shared history between them and chinese people. both countries were affected by imperial japan, for one. sure you have different identities, but there is a collective aspect of those identities which should be cherished. as members of all diaspora understand, the merging of two cultures creates not just new fushion, but a brand new identity. you can be both at the same time, and that just proves how flexible these identities truly are.
Exactly
Agree that there should be more efforts in understanding the difference but its not easy with the current geopolitics + history
Sometimes east Asians and to certain extend SEA need to understand that these animosities are driven by third party not in this region for their own benefit. APAC is already one of the biggest economical block, we can start to rely on them less and less.
In China, people eat foreign food occasionally for fun, especially Japanese food, Korean food, American fast food, but in many Asian countries, especailly those sorrounding China, eating localized Chinese food is part of their daily life.
I love Chinese food. I enjoy eating jjajangmyeon, mù xū ròu, and
Gōngbǎo jīdīng.
I hope Chinese people like Korean food too.
I have family in China. I am 90% certain that Korean food is currently the most popular foreign food in China. I’m only counting authentic food. Japanese food might still be ahead but Korean food must be a close second just judging by number of Lorean restaurants I saw in multiple Chinese cities. And how full they are.
McDonald’s or KFC is neither authentic nor a representation of proper American food. It’s barely even food. So I don’t count those when I say most popular.
As a Chinese person I've never understood the appeal of the Korean version of Zhajiangmian. I and other Chinese often comment on how bland it is. Even the authentic version is rarely ordered in China because there are so many better noodle dishes to choose from.
You like the Chinese version because you are used to the taste of food smothered in Chinese sewer oil.
didn't know this and I'm chinese lol. I don't think we have anything like it in our daily cuisine (the flavors) so it makes sense
Where do you live ? Rizhao is available.
Previously, Korea n Vietnam were Tribunal state of Ching n Ming dinasty while Japan was Tang’s Tribunal state.
Sinosphere countries consist of south east Asia.
@@JuanCarlos-dz7wc Kim is Fujianese / Hokienese. Lee Kim thay is Chinese but Kim is least chinese use as last name.
Kim is Chin in mandarin means Gold.
@@semarmanganov4767 Kim is pronounced the same way in Hakka as in Korean and it means gold also.
It’s sad that she doesn’t feel Korea at all. There’s nothing wrong with feeling like a local, even if there were traumas to past generations. I am a Chinese Canadian and I have no problem saying I feel Canadian, even though there used to be sever discrimination
Because Canada is an immigrant society based on genocide like the US.
ya klar , du bist in canada , ein viel volker staat und du bist akzeptiert , canada ist ein sehr freundliches land , korea ist dagegen, die frau ( rest inhaberin ) fulltsich nicht weder korea noch chinesin wei sie in korea nicht akzeptiert ist , krea sind rasis, deswegwn, würde an ihrer stelle auswandern,
I think one big difference is citizenship. If you are born in Canada you become citizen. In Korea, your parent must be korean citizen in order to gain korean citizenship. Therefore, there are lot of cases where a person is like 4th generation in korea but still is a foreign in paper.
@@mydogisbailey that's why Canada is so special. I will live and die in this country.
Is there any Korean-Japanese cuisine because I am curious is there any fusion from there?
I bet they still get discriminated by Koreans. That is maybe why she is crying.
That's normal. Only Chinese Singaporean are spared.
She did say she doesn’t feel Korean etc.
I am Chinese and some of my best friends are Koreans, most are nice. One time I was invited to my friends house, his younger brothers would not address me because I am Chinese.
Alan Tan because singapore is a Chinese ethnic build nations Han to Singapore is like like wasp to USA.
@@jewellui I doubt that happened. If he refused to say hello, it's for other reasons.
Ding Ling How
She was talking about Chinese life in Korea in the post-war period. Of course there's going to be discrimination. SKorea just fought a war with Mainland China.
The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓)
As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea.
In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦").
It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國).
Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language.
Record of the Three
Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan
Classical Chinese
辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。
English
Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴).
- 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝
The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla.
the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east.
『後漢書』
辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》
It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
Some linguists think that 馬韓 was Japonic in ancient times.
Jinhan people was a Japonic nation, not Korean.
Koreanic countries existed in the North as Gojoseon Buyeo Goguryeo, and conquested the South as Beakje and Goryeo.
I dont get why you talk about non Koreans who were culturally subjected and assimilated into Koreans.
※South Korean Hwagyo Identity(Old-fashioned) Explained.
Nationality: ROC(Taiwan).
Place Born and living: ROK(SouthKorea).
Ethnicity:HanChinese from grandfather-side(mostly from Shandong),
Korean from Grandmother-side.
Education: mostly ROC school Education(in Korea)
Language: Shandong dialect style
ROC standard Chinese.+fluent Korean with little poor grammar when written(it depends though).
In China they are oversea Taiwan Chinese.
In Taiwan they are oversea citizen but with some limited rights.
In S Korea they are foriegners living with special visa but you may not know they exist.
And there were lots Hwagyos from Korea fled to America, for some economic descrimination reason.
And, there are some Hwagyos in North Korea too. They have PRC Nationality and live among North Koreans.
No No
If one is half Korean generically then they are not ‘hwagyo’.
@@Wandrative it depands...a lot of hwagyo people have one korean grandma or mother. And most of them had ROC education from their school, so speaking Korean during other classes were strictly prohibited. They do not have Korean passport. They do not have the right to get benefits from Korean healthcare system. Still, they pay tax. So it is a pity to tell them that they are not Hwagyo. They are! Because technically they cannot and do not get benefits from Korean welfare system.
Wouldn’t the cuisine be better termed Chinese Korean and not Korean Chinese? Using the conventional: ethnic origin national location.
Thats looks sooo good😍
IT IS DELICIOUS and I am fantasizing about having some right now.
@@hyojinpark I want to taste it 😍
When i realised korean food very similar to dongbei food, i know our cultures very similar. However, nothing wrong to be patriots but dun be misled n used by the west.
Well Dongbei area used to be Korean land too. Even today, many ethnic Koreans are living in that area so not surprised if the food has similarities. When Han Chinese migrate to the Dongbei region, of course the local food culture of the ethnic peoples like the Koreans and Han Chinese food culture is going to blend together over time.
Korea began and matured in the place you call ‘dongbei’.
If that lady were African American....This whole segment would have been about the white man keeping her people down...............
God bless her.......As a Latino born and raised in the United States , I've never truly felt American here but love Meerica anyways...It's home.
She was literally tearing up at the end of the segment when reflecting back on the discrimination she faced as a hwagyeo in Korea. Did you even watch the video?
Not really. White people did keep black people down in every aspect EXCEPT food. White people in America have been loving and encouraging black American food since slavery. Why do you think the south has the best food in the US? lol
@@tc2334 objection... this calls for speculation... the south has good food, but its a stretch to call it the best... they also encourage the black community in sports and fine arts... (music)...
@@tofudofu2695 Clearly, that was said in jest. However, to an extent, I would objectively maintain that the southern/southeastern part of the United States broadly has the better food. Between traditional southern/soul food, Cajun and Creole cuisine, and Tex-Mex...I don't think any other region has as much concentration of culinary history. I love a midwestern hotdish too and New England crab cakes and clam chowder, but it's just not as good as the stuff you get down south.
More from hyojin park and joi lee please!
🌞 more will be coming your way!
@@joilee7538 LOL
Only fools will discriminal Chinese, yet you eat their food?
Chinese food is unhealthy and greasy. I wish it disappears from Korea. People who know how to preserve their culture and not be violated by China will be guarded against the Chinese. And that is the opposite of foolish. Its called wisdom.
I know and understand her feeling and emotion....its hard when you are either one
I find it hard to understand give that she's nth generation and indistinguishable from other Koreans.
Ramen in Japan has same story
Similar to Chop Suey or Ginger beef in North America, these pseudo-Chinese dishes were created to suit local tastes...
The thing is...these two nations are practically the same people if you go back into the history.
Just occupying different land.
Not really
No, its false.. they're just close on culture but not same DNA root origin..
Chinese people are Han and come from middle/southern part of China..
Meanwhile, Korean come from Manchu-Mongolia area (Altaic people) then fulfill the peninsula..
Japanese is mixed race between Jomon and Yayoi people..
They're all different
@@rarappita Nope...we're all descendants Noah's family. After the flood, only Noah's family survived.
I the end we’re all related
@@stephysun
As human beings.
So now in south Korea if you are looking for chinese, there are the Hwagyos(ROC), China-mainlanders(PRC), Taiwanese(ROC), Hongkongers(PRC),
Macau People(PRC)...
Interesting. When I go to Flushing NY where Chinatown and Koreatown coexist. Staff at some Korean restaurants speak both Chinese and Korean fluently. I always thought they were North Korean Chinese that came over to the US. Growing up in NYC my Korean friends would ask about how to make jajangmyeon and I would go "don't know what you're talking about." They'd be puzzled. My familial background is Southern Chinese so jajangmyeon was not a staple food.
@@dzhang25642000 Maybe. The people you mentioned might be Hwagyo. or might be Korean Chinese(PRC Josunjok"ChaoXianZu") living in New York.
A ChaoXianZu is a Ethnic Korean living in Northeast China. Can be North or South Korean Decendents, but they are PRC Citizens. They are moving out far from their hometown and working abroad recently, to Korea and the West.
A lot of service workers in South Korea and Korean town in america now is ChaoXianZu actually.
And North Korean defectors living in NY are different story.
But we all eat Gimchi.
Hwagyos is holding PRC passport instead ROC one
@@嘠嘎嘎 some of them are still holding ROC
@@haibeizhexiong this is true. Korean Hwagyo decendents still have the ROC Passports.
Somehow the concept of a new breed is hard for people around the world to grasp. If Bob and Mary made a baby, that baby is neither Bob nor Mary, rather it's Jane (completely different with some roots to both). The concept is easier to understand if we bred a human with a sea turtle, then everyone understands what comes out is neither human nor sea turtle but something entirely different with some roots to both. Just as Jajangmyeon and Noodles with Blackbean sauce aren't the same; one is sweet the other salty, Chinese-Koreans are not Chinese nor are they Korean, they are a unique breed. Trying to fit into a box that wasn't made for you is a futile endeavor. And others trying to shove you in a box that wasn't made for you is ignorant.
Half of Korean history was founded by chinese immigrants.
1. Gija was a chinese noble from the Shang dynasty, after it fell to the Zhou dynasty, gija left China with 5000 men and settled down in gojoseon and became the first king of korea.
2.wiman was another chinese man from the state of yan, he left China and settled down in gojoseon.
He took over the thrones from gijas descendants and become the king of korea.
3.han empire went to war and invaded wiman joseon and gojoseon fell and the chinese set up 4 commentaries in north korea.(The main commandery, Lelang, existed for 400 years. That was in present day North Korea. (There is archeological and written evidence for the commanderies.).
4.silla was founded by Qin Chinese immigrants.
5.joseon was like the son to the ming dynasty of china
朝鲜日本皆中国子，朝鲜孝子也，日本逆子也。----《朝鲜王朝实录》
Korea and Japan are all sons of China, Korea is a dutiful son, and Japan is a rebellious son. ---- "Records of the Joseon Dynasty"
Chinas northeast project has brainwashed you well. Rip
@@twiggymcgwire8608
Not from china, sorry
@@twiggymcgwire8608
The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓)
As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea.
In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦").
It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國).
Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language.
Record of the Three
Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan
Classical Chinese
辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。
English
Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴).
- 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝
The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla.
the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east.
『後漢書』
辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》
It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
@@dearcoolz Youre from china. Dont lie to yourself 🤡. Rip to the brainwashed victims
@@twiggymcgwire8608 chinese american here. 😉
It’s fusion
if its from panda express would make different story
I'm hungry now😓 😋
Jajangmyan is more runny than Chinese zhajiangmiang, I like both.
Not rlly. It depends on cooking stile
Style*
@@andrewxiong6042 how about I qualify the statement with ‘on average’
@@Noname-iz9uo i guess
I really just depends on who’s cooking it. My mom who is not from the north makes it differently than the people in the north do.
Koreans are really one of a kind.....
In what sense?
@@jewellui awesomness. anything else? hahaha
It's bizarre that Chinese need to be Koreanized when Korea has been sinicized (Chinanized) for thousand of years. FYI, Zhangjiangmian has different forms in China, Shandong style is just one of the regional takes of the dish, there are Beijing style, Tianjin style, Dongbei style zhangjiangmian etc.
This noodles looks like Hokkien Mee(福建面) in Southeast Asia.
Black bean paste mixed with fried onions?
I wouldn't say that Korea has been deeply Sinicized at all, whether in a culinary sense or in general culture. Conficianism certainly had a strong impact on Korean culture and being neighbours some natural influences occur but I would say that Korea has been far less influenced by China than say some South Eastern Asian countries like Vietnam or Thailand.
Molae HIN Vietnam yes because both kingdoms often crossed over but I don’t think Thailand that much? The Chinese on the border to Korea seem pretty similar.
J L - I included Thailand because of the massive Southern Chinese migation to Thailand over several centuries. It wasn't Chinese political influence but rather cultural influence via migration. The Thais have been very good at integrating and assimilating the Chinese into Thai society though.
Because she wants to be different in korea
Wrong. Korean locals will never accept people like her wholeheartedly. Even half Korean kids are not seen by society as “real” Koreans
language turns to be the only reason for discrimination
because i know korean and chinese cultures are quite identical =))
similar, not identical; they don't even speak same language
Then you are delusional and culturally ignorant. Difference is Heaven and Earth.
Korean traditional food is Dog meat soup and Tongsul wine
Yeah and I think you should try it too.
Very delicious, just like eating cow or pig.
Also eating octopus alive is Korean traditional food.
I love this dish.
We treat the Koreans so well in China. This is how they treat our people.
Learn your history bro, China was histocailly a bully to Korea.
They want every benefit as korean but no duty. That is why. What do you think?
@leoszeto Because of the Cold War. The anti-communist ideology was imposed on SKoreans by Washington. Ditto in Taiwan.
Korean ethnic Chinese in China cannot even become teacher because of oppression from Han Chinese. They used to be one of poorest ethnic group until 30%of the population started to work in SK. Now they have highest income per capita, even higher than Han Chinese.
Since when? You ethnically cleanse Koreans off of their native land in Manchuria. Chinese are not native to Korea.
It's like Panda express.
when i realized koreans have acupuncture. I'm like okay they adopted more than 100% of chinese culture.
Of course everything is Chinese! Just like how modern Chinese copy Korean TV shows, music, without paying royalties, claim Kimchi, Hanbok, Taekwondo, etc. FYI, half of China's recorded history is one of being ruled by foreigners (Manchuria and Mongolia; mainly the Liao, Jin, Xia, Yuan, and Qing).
Of course everything is Chinese! Just like how modern Chinese copy Korean TV shows, music, without paying royalties, claim Kimchi, Hanbok, Taekwondo, etc. FYI, half of China's recorded history is one of being ruled by foreigners (Manchuria and Mongolia; mainly the Liao, Jin, Xia, Yuan, and Qing).
@@sociolocomtsac
The people of jinhan claimed they were the descendants of Qin dynasty migrants who left China due to Qin's forced labor policies and moved to the Mahan confederacy. The confederacy was also called "Qinhan" (Hanja: 秦韓)
As immigrants, the kings might be Mahan people according to most historical books of China and Korea.
In Volume 30 of the Book of Wei, Biographies of Jinhan, and the Records of the Three Kingdoms, there is a description "名國為邦" (referring to Guo "國" as Bang "邦").
It is said that people of Jinhan came from the Qin dynasty. The first Han dynasty emperor Liu Bang (Hanja: 劉邦) was hesitant to use same Chinese character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to refer to "country", so he changed "Bang" (Hanja: 邦) to "Guo" (Hanja: 國).
Thus, after the Han dynasty, people use "Guo" (Hanja: 國) instead of "Bang" (Hanja: 邦). However, people of Jinhan used the character "Bang" (Hanja: 邦), thus preserving elements of the Qin dynasty Chinese language.
Record of the Three
Kingdoms Book of Wei, Volume 30, History of Jinhan
Classical Chinese
辰韓在馬韓之東，其耆老傳世，自言古之亡人避秦役來適韓國，馬韓割其東界地與之。有城柵。其言語不與馬韓同，名國為邦，弓為弧，賊為寇，行酒為行觴。
English
Jinhan confederacy is located in the east of Mahan confederacy. In old saying of that area, people of Jinhan was an old refugee who came to Korea to avoid the hardship of Qin dynasty, and Mahan gave them their east land. They set a castle fence and the language they speak is not the same as Mahan’s. At there, they call Guo (Hanja: 国) as Bang (Hanja: 邦), Gong (弓) as Hu (Hanja: 弧)、Zei (Hanja: 賊) as Kou (Hanja: 寇), and Xingjiu (Hanja: 行酒) as Xingshang (Hanja: 行觴).
- 三國志 魏書卷30辰韓伝
The Samguk Sagi and History of the Northern Dynasties state that the original Lelang Commandery which later became the Jinhan confederacy (辰韓) was the origin of Silla.
the people claimed they were descendants of Chinese Qin dynasty (秦, also pronounced as "Jin" in Korean) migrants who, fleeing Qin's forced labour policies, moved to the Mahan confederacy, which gave them land to the east.
『後漢書』
辰韩在马韩之东，其耆老传世，自言古之亡人避秦役来适韩国，马韩割其东界地与之。有城栅。其言语不与马韩同，名国为邦，弓为弧，贼为寇，行酒为行觞。相呼皆为徒，有似秦人，非但燕、齐之名物也。名乐浪人为阿残；东方人名我为阿，谓乐浪人本其残馀人。今有名之为秦韩者。始有六国，稍分为十二国。《三国志魏书卷三十 乌丸鲜卑传》
It says that the jinhan people spoke a language that is different from the mahans and its people came to jinhan as immigrants and the language they spoke was a mixed of qin Chinese and native jinhan korean
@@sociolocomtsac Half of China's recorded history is being ruled by foreigners? Can you count? And of the five you mentioned, Han Chinese still retained control of most of what we now know has China during those dynasties (Liao, Jin, Xia). Of its history of about 4000-5000 years, all China/Han Chinese were ruled by "foreigners" (Mongols and Manchus) for a grand total of 365 years.
@@sociolocomtsac mongol and manchus are chinese now
How is that not fusion? I don’t care if it’s a organically born from Chinese immigrants in Korea… it combines influences from two cultures. That is Fusion! It doesn’t need to be a combination of two existing cuisines to be called fusion. This is fusion!
Fusion is a genuine collaboration of two cuisines, rather than with the goal of changing recipes to appease local taste and with an exotic/foreign appeal.
Fusion can be born naturally out of multiethnic regions, but not in regions where it's to only appeal to one demographic. That's why you only see small Chinese takeouts in small towns in the US where mostly only white people live, but authentic Cantonese restaurants are everywhere in big cities with a dense Chinese population in the US.
South Koreans refer to jjajangmyeon and jjamppong as "Chinese food", the same way small town white Americans refer to fortune cookies and crab rangoon as Chinese food.
It’s still Chinese people cooking Chinese food, they just used a different bean paste to make the sauce. Korean are just into Chinese food
@@honeycake9111 Chinese are more into American/Western food than Koreans are into Chinese food.
@@zachmiller9189funny. There’s no logic on your comparison, 😂 so did Chinese claim the American/Western food Chinese food? The answer is no.
@@honeycake9111 The answer is yes. I've seen Chinese claim hamburger was originally from China. They even think English is a Chinese dialect. A Chinese university professor actually said that. LOL. Many Chinese think everything originated from China. They are ridiculous and shameless.
Very inspiring
whoa my favorite korean noodles!~~~~
What??? I didn’t even know this and I’m Chinese 😲
炸酱面都不知道？？
you didnt know 朝鲜族?
@@user-fr8dd4ws6e no I meant the history of this
You don’t know zha Jiang mian 炸酱面？
Their granfathers went here with Qing Army to sell stuff to Qing Army.
Or they came here just before China became the Comunist Country.
And they were good merchants, they were kind of Big Players in Korean Economy.
And thet got married with wives from their hometown in China or married Korean.
Why their decendents remain ROC passport? Because of these process.
1.Korean Law says child's nationality is his or her father's nationality(not mothers).
2. And the father's father's father is Chinese.
3. We were not a friend to PRC before 90s so... ROC was The China.
4. So ROC took care of Hwagyo.
And some Korean presidents wanted to cotrol their number and power so they changed some laws to do so. And rich Hwagyos fled to America or Taiwan or HK, but that is another story.
And now there are Chinese from PRC mainland, we just call them Chinese no matter how long they lived here, but these terms can go flexible some times.
You are very wrong on gaining nationality from your only father’s side. You can obtain Korean nationality from both your mother and father.
@@teddington95 I am talking about Korean Nationality laws...At least it was like that. That is why some guys I know in Seoul still have ROC passport. They have Korean grandmothers. The law could be changed, but when I talked with Korean Hwagyo Naver Cafe leader, he told me these stories so it was like that before, i do not know if it changed or not.
Thanks to president Park Chung hee of S.Korea(who was president in 1960s and 1970s), Chinese Hwagyos couldn't buy house as she mentioned. If he didn't do that, S.Korea might be like South East Asian countries where Chinese Hwagyos have major economic power. I as Korean thanks to president Park Chung hee.
Trump said Korea used to be a part of China.
@@nostradamus2642 Many who have listened to Trump have served time. Many more to come in the future...
@@AG-vt7xx Tang dynasty ruled Korea up to the Han river. Fact
@@nostradamus2642 Yes, Tang dynasty did invade and, after years, eventually overwhelm with numbers and with Silla's help. Did they "rule"? That's up for debate. Korea remained separate and independent state. You could say North Korea is part of China after Korean War because they sent millions of soldiers into Korea but most would argue that North Korea remains a separate state.
Are you saying that the Chinese are more superior than Korean ? so that Your President had to slow them down?
Korean-Chinese 🎉
Korean call Chinese food "Chinese food" while Chinese saying every thing belongs to china lol.
Lol. Chinese hater detected. Don't need to lie though.
@Lion Soul a ownership and hater have no relationship lol
@@wongcw08 Be Rational.
the 'ramen-lamian' debate should tell you enough that china doesn't claim everything
@@maryllthemusicman1318 can you criticize Mao?
อย่าไปสนจัยการด่าม่าครับคะสั้นเจ้าบ่ได้เฮ็ดคริปหรอก คนด่าม่าเข้าไม่เข้าจัยเราหรอก ดังนั้นทำต่อไปครับ
Kinda like General Tso's chicken.
more like boba. Koreans have boba now. When were asking them to put on the menu 15 years ago.
@@jasonreviews he means it’s an entirely new cuisine derived from the original in a new country. General tso’s is Chinese food adapted to American tastes. Similar to dim sims. Boba is just a direct import
many koreans live in manchuria china.
@AC B south korea will take north korea. japan will take the kurils sakhalin and vladivostok.
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In China steal eat a lot Jiajangmien. Any Chinese love !
" nice" but only in " India 🇮🇳 "!.
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First Chinatown was in Manila Philippines, not Inchon...
you could also argue first chinatown was in Sumatra and/or Java, with records of Chinese Muslim missionaries setting up shop there converting the locals coming from Marco Polo (late 1200s, way earlier than even Binondo)
China also invaded Korea a bunch of times, and for most of history Korea and Vietnam were semi-autonomous kingdoms under China's thumb, with Chinese royalty, bureaucrats and scholars populating and creating cities within them. Are those not also Chinatowns?
point being, it's never clear.
The first Chinatown is arguably Hanoi, Vietnam.
trauruge story, ich würde an deine stelle nach western auswandern, wo ein land ohne diskriminierung, egal woher du stammst, einfach korea verlassen so ein sch...... tt
한국화교들은 고생 많이 했다ㅡ정말…..
Its good she moved to s. Korea.
Like how old is she
China Had been Manchurized and Mongolized for centuries as their colonies and still can't understand why either Manchurian or Mongolian foods have to be altered to meet chinese people's tastes. Influenced by all that Manchurian or Mongolian fasion, hairstyle, language, architecture, writing system. Yet modern so called chinese people claim it's CHINESE history.
Well it is
Architecture? The Mongos and Manchus lived in huts.
@@skazka3789 if it is... then why does Mongolia exist seperatley to this day ?
@@tofudofu2695 He's referring to when ethnic Mongols and Manchus ruled China, saying that those dynasties "were not Chinese" when that is simply not true. The conquerors adopted much of the local Chinese culture, so much so that the late Manchu emperors could only speak Mandarin.
@@yutshot3255 and yet the great heavenly china was still conquered..
Kimchi and Son Heung Min are from China
????wtf Son Heung Min is korean.
He was born and raised in Korea, he have Korean nationality.
Also kimchi is absolutely korean food.
This kind of things makes discrimination. Current government is putting in Chinese people in danger
@@jml3322 kimchi=🤢🤢
@@thepatrusnostor5794 Yes, please keep hating kimchi like that. Thank you for showing everyone that kimchi is Korean.
@@thepatrusnostor5794 And thank you for your interest in our Korean culture. 😄
DON'T CRY MY LOVE, I WOULD GLADLY ASK FOR YOUR HAND TO MARRY YOU MY BEAUTIFUL ANGEL 🙏😍😘
Simp
Wtf
看起来太咸 。
不是咸的偏甜
Ok
Korea=take other country”s food then turn them into theirs then speak to the whole world“it is our food”
Did you not understand what the girl interview said?! She said it was an original Chinese dish that was recreated to fit Korean tastes . So this version of jjajangmyun is not something you would see in a authentic Chinese restaurant. It’s the Chinese that is claiming all Korean culture is theirs like kimchi!
You need to watch the video again, the woman is Chinese not Korean.. Also FYI all Korean call Jajangmyeon is Chinese food not Korean food
@@rarappita 不是所有韩国人都是你这样想的
@@fastandcurious1515 Hater equipped with total fake news. Wonderful.
@@fastandcurious1515 说实话中国人太爱国了只喜欢喷韩国 大部分的韩国人就是这样想的
BUT SHE FAILS TO MENTION THAT WITHOUT CHINA THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 1 KOREA.
Wrong. America divided Korea. China merely entered the Korean war in defense of it's ally, NKorea. Both Koreas wanted to reunify the country AFTER IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED BY THE US.
@@Octavus5 If China had not helped North Korea, Korea would have already been unified. I hope you learn history properly.
The only ones who are grateful to China are the Kim Jong-un family. North Korean people are also not grateful to China. China fought for Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-un.
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