Prosecuting counsel sounds like Captain Scarlet with a northern accent - good reason - he was the voice of Captain Scarlet - also played Paul Temple on telly at one point!
I was on the jury, front row, centre, wearing my best grey suit. One of my numerous girl friends was the ginger haired Dolly in the yellow blouse, sitting in front of the barristers. She was ‘Succulent’.
Since the constable had literally no defence other than his own words I thought this was rather a foregone conclusion. But the suspense is still there and judging by some of the comments you can never take another man's judgement for granted. People will believe what they want to believe and make the facts fit according to their views. This is why we have conspiracy theorists.
Yes indeed. When your defence relies on the proposition that everyone else is lying, you're in trouble. But why, if he was guilty, did he stick to his story about the situation when he arrived on the scene - since that ended up incriminating him. He could easily have lied and said there were all sorts of people leaning out of windows and shouting when he got there, but he still took the decision to duck into the doorway to radio for help. That would still have put him up against Patel and his eerily accurate time-keeping, but that would have been a more even contest given the latter's record of campaigning against the police. Any other discrepancies in the accounts could have been put down to it being confusing and dark and difficult for people to be precise about what exactly happened when - a better defence than trying to claim it was one big conspiracy.
Would you say that the European trading market being the root of all Britains ‘ woes a Conspiracy Theory ? I could see both sides of the argument which appears to not belong in todays’ world but when I saw or heard many whom gave opinions which many believed were facts it makes be believe how many opinions should be granted Conspiracy Status beyond the Apollo missions being faked or that AIDS or Covid were somehow cooked up & released with intent to create fear & misery ! 😁👍
I appreciate people may have trouble placing him so many years later. Gerry S was a fairly big star at the time, having been in The Mallens and Great Expectation. He was also a bit of a poster boy for the teen girls.
If I had been defense counsel, I would placed greater emphasis on the fact that Mr. Patel had possibly influenced the recollection of other local witnesses, particularly with respect to the timing of the events at the scene. The woman’s recollection about time was remarkably the same, i.e., 30 seconds (15 second and 15 seconds), but she wasn’t asked how she timed the events (did she use a watch or a stop watch like Mr. Patel). Her statement of 30 seconds seems remarkably like Mr. Patel, but she didn’t strike me as someone who was particularly diligent in keeping track of time. If Mr. Patel influenced her recollection with respect to the time, what else did he suggest in his persuasive manner about the actual events.
This episode is more likely to cause racial tension than have a justice smoothing effect. As for the verdict don't read other comments as it will give the game away. Great upload Jez T
TRAVESTY!!!!! (I watched these shows with my mother when I was a boy... Such Fond Memories...) But in this case, (and I''m a Leftie Liberal!!!) I would have voted FOR THE COP!!! (British and Irish cops don't carry serious weapons and, I'm old enough to remember that in the 1970s/80s, skinheads were SCARY!!! There is NO FUCKING WAY I'd have gone up against three skinheads on my own!!! "CROWN COURT' as a TV series continues to delight in retrospect, but it WAS so of it's time... (Almost to the point of amusement now...) TV Drama leaned SO to the left in those days... (Now we live in a world where Mo-Ped thieves can't be chased by police if they discard their crash-helmets...) Is THAT a better world? (I hardly think so...) xx SF
Well, I dunno.....my gut feeling is the jury were right but was it beyond reasonable doubt? Then again, 8 years on the force and the guy's still a constable. Be interested to see his personnel record. It might have said "good workhorse but quite unsuitable for promotion. Best not put him in a pressure situation"
This is a weird episode. I counted three unexplained bursts of laughter in the court. The judge also told of the witness for using the same turn of phrase that the counsel used.
I don't believe that Const. Bowles could have recognized the victim as "an Asian" in even dim light at 1:00 Am during the 5 seconds the Const. stood in Stafford Rd. before retreating. I don't believe any witness was asked about the distance between Bowles and the victim when he first saw him. This script strikes me as one of the weaker ones, clever as it may be. I think the inference of cowardice is stronger than of racism. Bowles's locker-room statement to Stephen Gibson was made in order to cover up his shame for his initial impulse to run away. He'd rather his colleagues consider him a bigot than a coward! The conflicting testimony over the noise in the street serves no purpose that I can see, except to show that Bowles is lying. Surely there would have been a big ruckus, and Bowles could not have missed it. The sentence seems more shocking than the guilty verdict! Six months in the slammer for a momentary lapse by a constable who had rec'd a prior commendation for bravery??
Often debate with myself if Gerry would have been tall enough to be a U.K. policeman in the early 1980s. “Wee but gem” as we would say in Glasgow. (Gem has a hard G).
"Yes, yes, yes I do. If they misbehave YES." Good for this citizen. If all citizens acted like this chap then me wouldn't have the police that we have now.
What did this guy expect the constable to do? One cop against three skinheads? I read that police aren't armed in the UK. I wonder how these people would've felt if the constable had become a victim trying to take on three men without help? Also how did these people know he was a constable? Was he in uniform?
I once got as far as a final interview to join the police (long long time ago) and was asked a similar scenario to this how would I react. Never forgotten it. My answer was along the lines of I would be reluctant to tackle things alone...
Police aren’t armed in the U.K. - there’s a special armed division to deal with armed robberies and suchlike - even ordinary fuzz have protection against being stabbed by someone who has a knife - they usually carry a truncheon - but regular pigs don’t carry guns - you don’t see the average beat bobby walking around the local park brandishing a Luger!
Why didn't either lawyer ask any witness how they knew this guy to be a cop? Was he in uniform? Also, how did these so-called witnesses know the assailants to be skinheads? Was the constable on or off duty? I also think these so-called witnesses were told what to say by Pattel. JMO.
Eh? He was on duty and dressed as a bobby of course. And in the 1980s men didn't shave their heads unless they were skinheads - they were easy to spot. As a mod, I was chased around by them often enough that I could spot one from 100 yards! Why would Patel have a vendetta on a policeman who had done nothing wrong? Makes no sense. Enjoy your time in chokey, cop!
Watching from America. Love this show😀
Glad you’re enjoying CC, Robin! :)
The gorgeous Gerry Sundquist (Steven Gibson). Died 1993. Thanks for uploading. Xxx
Artemis Zeus so sad he took his own life
Very tragic
Prosecuting counsel sounds like Captain Scarlet with a northern accent - good reason - he was the voice of Captain Scarlet - also played Paul Temple on telly at one point!
Verdict was a shock as the judge's summing up almost directed the jury for innocence.
So glad that 40 years later we have managed to get rid of racism in the UK police 🚨
Soon all be Muslims enforcing sharia law in Londonabad
I was on the jury, front row, centre, wearing my best grey suit. One of my numerous girl friends was the ginger haired Dolly in the yellow blouse, sitting in front of the barristers. She was ‘Succulent’.
How was the deliberation? Did you all agree or have disagreements and discussions?
@@Harumph-Sez-Moi We argued over the sandwiches and libations …
☺get to be on tv, enjoy some food & drinks👍good times☺ @@LANCSKID
Good for you!!
So good to know these details.😂
Since the constable had literally no defence other than his own words I thought this was rather a foregone conclusion.
But the suspense is still there and judging by some of the comments you can never take another man's judgement for granted. People will believe what they want to believe and make the facts fit according to their views. This is why we have conspiracy theorists.
Yes indeed. When your defence relies on the proposition that everyone else is lying, you're in trouble. But why, if he was guilty, did he stick to his story about the situation when he arrived on the scene - since that ended up incriminating him. He could easily have lied and said there were all sorts of people leaning out of windows and shouting when he got there, but he still took the decision to duck into the doorway to radio for help. That would still have put him up against Patel and his eerily accurate time-keeping, but that would have been a more even contest given the latter's record of campaigning against the police. Any other discrepancies in the accounts could have been put down to it being confusing and dark and difficult for people to be precise about what exactly happened when - a better defence than trying to claim it was one big conspiracy.
Would you say that the European trading market being the root of all Britains ‘ woes a Conspiracy Theory ? I could see both sides of the argument which appears to not belong in todays’ world but when I saw or heard many whom gave opinions which many believed were facts it makes be believe how many opinions should be granted Conspiracy Status beyond the Apollo missions being faked or that AIDS or Covid were somehow cooked up & released with intent to create fear & misery ! 😁👍
I appreciate people may have trouble placing him so many years later. Gerry S was a fairly big star at the time, having been in The Mallens and Great Expectation. He was also a bit of a poster boy for the teen girls.
Good stuff. Thanks for uploading.
Captain Scarlett prosecuting, the blokes got no chance! lol
The sequence between Gerry Sundquist and John Fortune is brilliant.
F Matthews is a well known actor, and Fortune is great. Thanx.
If I had been defense counsel, I would placed greater emphasis on the fact that Mr. Patel had possibly influenced the recollection of other local witnesses, particularly with respect to the timing of the events at the scene. The woman’s recollection about time was remarkably the same, i.e., 30 seconds (15 second and 15 seconds), but she wasn’t asked how she timed the events (did she use a watch or a stop watch like Mr. Patel). Her statement of 30 seconds seems remarkably like Mr. Patel, but she didn’t strike me as someone who was particularly diligent in keeping track of time. If Mr. Patel influenced her recollection with respect to the time, what else did he suggest in his persuasive manner about the actual events.
Thanks Jez.
This episode is more likely to cause racial tension than have a justice smoothing effect. As for the verdict don't read other comments as it will give the game away. Great upload Jez T
patel should be sent to prison also for not aiding instantly!
under no obligation to help - in contrast to a police constable
Thanks Jez 👍🏼
Alun Adams - voice gave it away
TRAVESTY!!!!!
(I watched these shows with my mother when I was a boy... Such Fond Memories...)
But in this case, (and I''m a Leftie Liberal!!!) I would have voted FOR THE COP!!! (British and Irish cops don't carry serious weapons and, I'm old enough to remember that in the 1970s/80s, skinheads were SCARY!!! There is NO FUCKING WAY I'd have gone up against three skinheads on my own!!!
"CROWN COURT' as a TV series continues to delight in retrospect, but it WAS so of it's time... (Almost to the point of amusement now...) TV Drama leaned SO to the left in those days... (Now we live in a world where Mo-Ped thieves can't be chased by police if they discard their crash-helmets...)
Is THAT a better world? (I hardly think so...)
xx SF
Well, I dunno.....my gut feeling is the jury were right but was it beyond reasonable doubt? Then again, 8 years on the force and the guy's still a constable. Be interested to see his personnel record. It might have said "good workhorse but quite unsuitable for promotion. Best not put him in a pressure situation"
This is a weird episode. I counted three unexplained bursts of laughter in the court. The judge also told of the witness for using the same turn of phrase that the counsel used.
The defence is clutching at straws. Guilty.
I'd like to know more about the cricket bat.
It was made of willow, with a sisal wrapped handle. Autographed by Sir Gary Sobers … anything else? 👨🏾🦲
I don't believe that Const. Bowles could have recognized the victim as "an Asian" in even dim light at 1:00 Am during the 5 seconds the Const. stood in Stafford Rd. before retreating. I don't believe any witness was asked about the distance between Bowles and the victim when he first saw him. This script strikes me as one of the weaker ones, clever as it may be. I think the inference of cowardice is stronger than of racism. Bowles's locker-room statement to Stephen Gibson was made in order to cover up his shame for his initial impulse to run away. He'd rather his colleagues consider him a bigot than a coward! The conflicting testimony over the noise in the street serves no purpose that I can see, except to show that Bowles is lying. Surely there would have been a big ruckus, and Bowles could not have missed it. The sentence seems more shocking than the guilty verdict! Six months in the slammer for a momentary lapse by a constable who had rec'd a prior commendation for bravery??
Good on the jury for delivering the right verdict:)
Thanks again Jez T
Noticed that the brilliant Francis Matthews does a slight northern accent
He was born in York!!!
@@elizabethgalligan1805 OK thanks its just that I'm used too not speaking with a slight northern accent
these days the police are equally bent the other way
Bullshit
With rainbows around their hats
Often debate with myself if Gerry would have been tall enough to be a U.K. policeman in the early 1980s. “Wee but gem” as we would say in Glasgow. (Gem has a hard G).
Appalling verdict. Monstrous injustice.
😂😂😂😂
Yes, I agree.
How 😂
He’s found guilty? I’m not listening to it then.
Please upload Crown Court Brainwashed: Part 1 episode. S12E01 Thank you!
According to the shoeshopowner,the constable was trying a pair of black shoes.
I guess runners.
High heels with narrow ankle straps …
9:33 lol
Another one.we may get a guilty jez. Can't bielive what way I've chosen to watch these.not had a guilty for ages.
"Yes, yes, yes I do. If they misbehave YES." Good for this citizen. If all citizens acted like this chap then me wouldn't have the police that we have now.
Would never happen that verdict these days
What did this guy expect the constable to do? One cop against three skinheads? I read that police aren't armed in the UK.
I wonder how these people would've felt if the constable had become a victim trying to take on three men without help?
Also how did these people know he was a constable? Was he in uniform?
this is old, I think protocol has changed since and he wouldn't be expected to do anything if he was on his own.
I once got as far as a final interview to join the police (long long time ago) and was asked a similar scenario to this how would I react. Never forgotten it. My answer was along the lines of I would be reluctant to tackle things alone...
He could have rang his colleagues!
Police aren’t armed in the U.K. - there’s a special armed division to deal with armed robberies and suchlike - even ordinary fuzz have protection against being stabbed by someone who has a knife - they usually carry a truncheon - but regular pigs don’t carry guns - you don’t see the average beat bobby walking around the local park brandishing a Luger!
@@arthurvasey In fact you don't see the average beat bobby at all.
Why didn't either lawyer ask any witness how they knew this guy to be a cop? Was he in uniform? Also, how did these so-called witnesses know the assailants to be skinheads? Was the constable on or off duty? I also think these so-called witnesses were told what to say by Pattel. JMO.
Eh? He was on duty and dressed as a bobby of course. And in the 1980s men didn't shave their heads unless they were skinheads - they were easy to spot. As a mod, I was chased around by them often enough that I could spot one from 100 yards! Why would Patel have a vendetta on a policeman who had done nothing wrong? Makes no sense. Enjoy your time in chokey, cop!
Britanistan even then
If he had run out of hiding and shot the black guy whirling his cricket bat in an aggressive manner, he wouldn't even get suspended.
Why would he have a gun?
What black guy?
😤
At last a guilty.
Thanks for that. I don’t need to watch it now. Ugghh.
John cooper don't read the comments!
Yes, but an unfortunate verdict on this occasion.
Good verdict
Mr Patel is not shown been sworn in. Didn't want to show a religion other than CofE or swearing on Koran!
Perhaps you could set yourself up as director and do better
Stuff the koran