EVE Online Endgame: When Do You Stop Being a New Player?
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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When can you officially stop calling yourself a new player? When do you reach endgame? I look more into when and if that transition happens in EVE Online
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There's an old story about a guy who was leading one of the biggest Alliances in the game, who just faded away & left. His Alliance failed soon after. Turns out, he met someone in game, they fell in love, & got married.
THAT is 'winning Eve'.
That's a cool story!
My partner, I met through someone, I met through eve 😂
Account created in 2016, played for a month, started playing for real in 2020.
Moved to null, got a capital ship, fought in large battles.
I definetly consider myself "new" still.
This game is awsome :P
Great Video!
For me Eve Online is more than a game. Its like a second life for me. A life that is a thousand times better than the one im living. A life that is fun and thrill centered. It takes awhile to find what you want to do in New Eden and consider it the passing into a deeper part of the game you couldnt see as a beginner. I dont think there is really an ending rather than an ever constant day by day second life I check up on occasionally through the day.
Very well put.
Agreed. Well said. Although I do wish that the other simulation that we all exist in as well was better for you. I hope it does get better. Fly safe 07.
You're doing life wrong friend! It can be an adventure!
@@FiLtheThriL Like what? Piracy? now thats fun
That's sad
I’ve been playing on and off since 2003. I do totally agree with what you are saying.
I would also add that that feeling of winning encounter in this game is no one near any other you can have in any other game.
The time and effort put into creating content for yourself, tackling a hard encounter, the feeling of loss and success is just out of this world, making this game worth playing in the end.
The real end game in EVE is when you get all the "important" people's discord. That when you'll understand you haven't been playing a game, it's more like you were the game these people play.
That's almost poetic
Yep, you do not play Eve, Eve plays you...
To be fair, getting those Discord IDs isn’t that hard
It’s when you write them and they respond that you’ve hit endgame
"End game"? What is the "End game" of flying a kite or building model trains? When do you consider yourself proficient at flying a kite? When do you consider yourself an expert?
This, overall, is the best answer. Eve isn't a game, it's much closer to a virtual hobby.
Like eve, I'd argue model trains do have an "endgame" which would be making a multi stop massive automatic train set with multiple trains and automatic signals so they dont crash. But does that mean everyone should shoot for that goal? No, because making a single loop train is enough for many. I made a very similar comment but about eve instead of the train analogy
This guy has clearly never heard of stunt kites, there is definitely an end game.
A nice early-ish goal I normally tell people starting out is to pick two cruisers they think look cool, then aim to get lvl 3 proficiency in the one you like best. I say pick two just in case you don't like the weapon system of one. OR if you aren't into missions or pvp, try to get the skills required to fly a t2 exploration frig or exhumer, while learning how to make money exploring or mining.
I recently finished my recent goal of Skilling into a marauder and giving missions a serious try 10 years after starting playing (with some breaks). That's the the other piece (which you correctly call out): after you finish one goal, pick another one to work toward, there's a lot out there!
Do you mean two cruisers as in from two different factions?
@@bucklinfondue not necessarily, just pick two. They're likely to be different enough, regardless of factions
My wife and I are new players. ourselves. Having only played about a months some. In another game we play. We are vets who help new players get a start. Like Eve it is a very niche game with a steep learning curve. The advert of 'this game, you are not ready for" is a warning and not a challenge. I have seen a few posts of new player giving up because they thought or perhaps believed this game would be like say the star wars game or maybe the star trek game. Its not. This game is about taking your own initiative and working towards what ever it is you want to do in the game.
There is the crux. The game holds your hand through the first twenty or thirty minutes. Gets you to the first station to start missions and then that is it. You have to be a person that can take things on your own imitative. One must be a self starter. There is a lot of things one an do. One has to manage expectations and understand it is deadly out there. Every time you undock you are agreeing to that danger.
A player must be willing to accept the inevitable mistakes and the random things that will occur. Such as a ganker showing up in highsec. Trying to chase you down. Happened to my wife the other day. She eventually stayed docked and did a mission where she worked on a blue print. She eventually undocked and went back to mining. She is in a venture with the crap civilian rail gun. Barely adequate for the NPC pirates, but certainly not against a ganker.
As for goals. Mining and exploring on the side. Maybe research as well.
I consider someone stopping being a new player when they have found an isk making niche or gameplay loop to fund their own ships. When you know what to do to fund your favorite type of content, then I think you've shaken off the newbro status.
That and a sense of confidence I think.
I would say they stop being new when they recognize that to further scale up their isk making niche they could use the assistance of additional players or accounts and seriously consider multiboxing.
As an EvE Vet this video made my day =] thank you (also abaddon was my first goal back in the day )
I've put about 20/30 hours into eve 2/3 times now but always ended up becoming overwhelmed. I'm back again, hoping this time it sticks and trying to take it a day at a time rather than trying to learn everything just by reading wikis. Really enjoying the content on this channel. Do keep up the great work!
Thanks. I'm actively choosing to be ignorant to many parts of EVE to avoid being overwhelmed. Wormholes... No clue, null sec... No clue, multi accounts... no clue, and many more things.
Hang in there, it’s worth it when you overcome each obstacle 🎉
@Ferovax @@bucklinfondue - if I may, this really is the best way to get started. Pick something you enjoy doing, and just dive in. Fully get "stuck in" as the British say. Consume all the media & content around that thing, practice, & play.
For instance, I started mining very early in the game, learning a ton as I went. I asked questions on Fleets & simply experimented until I found what works for me. Somewhere along the way, it became fun.
Come join our wormhole corp!
Honestly, the best thing to do is to talk to people, and don't try to take everything in all at once, that's how you get overwhelmed.
Pick an easy activity and do that for a while, see how you like it. When you're familiar and comfortable with it, see if there's something else that might also float your boat, generate your mass effect field, be your cup of tea. You can combine stuff to create variety as you go along.
But the main thing is, talk to other people, most of the time it's more fun to ask somebody a question than to try to find something from a wiki by yourself, that's how you get to talk to others, and maybe form connections.
Sometimes an encounter with another player doesn't go smoothly, no matter what, but most of the time even the guy who just blew you up are kinda chill if you talk to them after the fight. The way I view EVE is that it's a social game, first and foremost. Most of the activities you can do in-game are more fun when done with others. Unless you're a lone wolf type of person, which is a valid way to play the game too, talk to other players and see how that goes.
I like the take: “you are no longer new when you can create content for yourself and others in a specific niche.”
And the equivalent to endgame being: “the content you create is in what ever shape might fit … successful”
I would argue in a way that Eve online does have an endgame, does that mean that every player should go towards it? No.
And there is many types of endgame, for example people may want to go into Capital ships and go into wormhole C6 ratting, which I'd consider a form of endgame. For industrialists it might be setting up a station or buying themselves a Rorqual with many mining alts. Both of these are "endgame" content, but only because it's the last possible content you can achieve in the game really. I have the ability to do these endgame content but personally I find more fun in sub capital ships than caps, even if I'm making less isk, i prefer more casual gameplay and chilling out. Sometimes though I still love having a big ship with huge guns though 😂
That's kind of what I'm saying. Endgame is typically the content meant to be focused on, but you're choosing not to because you have a different goal and CAN have a different end goal.
the end game is having experienced an event in eve that left your hands sweaty and shaking , your heart pumping and a wide smile in your face
I don't think there is a time limit. 🤔 I have seen guys learn the game and know more than me in a matter of weeks. So i would say i judge what's a new player by game knowledge over skill points.
Advanced players can always come down to the level of a low skill point player and have fun or help them out especially if they show promise into the future.
Best recommendation I can make for a new player is to try to find a good new player friendly corporation. Which can certainly be easier said than done especially not knowing what that should look like.
An example though of what to look for would be as follows.
#1 active in your time zone because you can’t learn if they aren’t online when you’re online
#2 they’re active in multiple types of content even if you don’t think it’s something you’d be interested in. Even if you’re plan is to be an industrialist you should still learn fleet PvP and how to avoid being ganked
#3 have some kind of hand out ship program for basic T1 ships. because that’s a major barrier to learning new things in Eve
#4 normally the more organized corps have requirements such as auth to link discord or comms having this requirement is normally a good sign
Then once you join ask questions, ask if people are doing whatever activity you’re interested in and if you can join. If you’re constantly getting ignored then go find another corp.
Despite Eve’s reputation of having a toxic community more experienced players do generally like helping their newer corp mates and want to teach them because everyone was that guy at one point.
I play since 2014 and still a small fish in the sea of new eden 😅 i really like your videos, always nice to see new players who are dedicated as you. Tell me when you are ready to fly the Baddon i will buy one for you o7
Well double thanks. I'm a little ways away still. But, I like that this game makes us a small fish and not the hero. I like it better that way.
A noob is someone scared of and mad at losing ships. If you shrug it off, accept the learning lesson, learn from it, then you're a veteran. Some are born vets, some will die noobs.
It's great to see a new player learning and participating. So many get afraid with the daunting task of learning eve, this video was quite refreshing.
As for new player friendly cops, you should check our Catskull Cartel, they accept players with 0 so and help train them up with skill plans etc for mining, fw, PvP and have higher tier corps in J-space (wormholes) and Null space depending on what those members are looking to transition to.
Been enjoying the vids man, always refreshing to see eve through a newer players eye. Looking forward to the one when you relise the abbadon really sucks :). If you ever get stuck reach out, always around to give some help. o7
How could you break my heart like that!
@bucklinfondue honestly mate a good goal would be a loki or tengu, that will open up absolutely loads of content. Pvp, pve, combat explo and much more. The abbadon is amazing looking ship, but bigger isn't better in eve. Food for thought. Either way man, looking forward to following your journey.
07. You've done a great job of summarizing the experience in New Eden. I'm glad you found us. Fly safe.
EVE is similar in many ways to life. It's not the end that is the goal, its the journey.
Flying the Abaddon was my main goal too! Then capitals. I think you can definitely set a series of progression goals which makes the game more fun. There is so much to do
welcome to eve! i have almost 200 million skill points and have played for 11 years, so my idea of what a noob is is probably different that someone that has played half that, or double! like you said its been around for 21 years and is pretty deep, takes alot longer than most games to shake off that new player feeling! and ya i am still learning plenty!
also most don't strive for titans because they not only take so long to train as you point out, but they are expensive as hell and while that money can be made in game, many end up swiping their credit card to get those big shineys and most of those ships rarely if ever see combat!
"endgame" for me is mastery V for all subcapitals! i'm prob a couple years off that! lol!
I had similar goal. And know many ppl who had exact the same. But as far as I can say, its not great one - once you first jump with your titan and get deleted in matter of seconds... My goal right now is just to fly expensive ships and not worry to throw few hundreds of millions daily into pvp. For that I have to estabslis solid industry and trading chain. As for newbro, I would say you stop being newbie at moment, when you can do (at least in theory) most of content - meaning, you know what ships to fly, can fit them, know the danger etc... but thats just my point of view, for example I know nothing about mission running (and it will prolly stay like that forever). Good content tho, keep it up.
The abbadon is sick!
As a CEO myself I can say I consider someone no longer new player once they learned how to travel through unsafe space safely regardless of their skills that’s when you can consider someone competent you know a lot more to it than warping from gate to gate which is a easy way to get yourself killed. As for endgame for me once I reached having all the ships I needed with a ridiculous amount of assets it became much less about ISK and more just having a chill time taking less risks and running a business empire to grow them further which is a nice point to reach but it took at least a decade to get there and it gives you time to help others on their journey while ticking over. So yeah End game id say is ticking over with no pressure growing your assets helping others for others it may be fleet battles but I did all that learning mid game with Atlas.
A deep game indeed. Good to have goals
My main goal right now is to pilot a Rorqaul, I have the skills to fly it, but, I don't have the skills for all the modules I need, nor do I actually own a Rorqual yet. But, some day I am going to be running a Mining Fleet with a Rorqual!
For my many years of playing eve my main goal was to fly a titan and i worked my ass off to get their , finely i got the training and ISK to get one , bought it and fitted it and sat ontop of a keepstar staring at it , i never took it into battle or shot and someone , i dit nothing with it , and that is a hard reality of eve to accept , you work your ass off to get something in game , then you get it but you cant do anything with it couse iets to mutch of a knock to your corp and the killmail is gonne get put up everywhere and and and ,,,, the point im trying to make is yea eve has goals and dam right go for them , but dont be disapointed when you get their and iets not what you hopet it would be , focus on what you got , sell the things you cant do anything with and move on to something fun in game like faction warfare or anything els in eve can keep you happy , you just gotto go find it and thats what makes this game so great ,,,,, the way you go find out something els .
As an EVE player starting in 2009 my opinion of how to "Win EVE" is have fun.
I have played Eve for almost 10 years with several breaks (I guess I actually have played for little more than half of this period).
Everyone's endgame differs, for example I can't fly caps and I don't want to fly caps, for me it's rather boring and generally boils down to who can bring more.
I have most fun exploring wormholes and mapping connections so that my corp or alliance can strike easily into the middle of enemy territory. If I get rich doing that (relic and data sites) then all the better. Hunting for a fleet is super fun, bubbling the entire enemy fleets on the way to a big engagement is so satisfactory, couple of times 3-people strong squadron managed to make a 250 people strong fleet completely miss the battle! Spearfishing with command destroyers, stopping BLOPS on the enemy, tackling nanocruisers with MJD Bhaalgorn, so many cool things to do!
The Abaddon is a great goal! Best of luck to you!
The Abaddon is a cool ship to aim for. I really like it with the Cryptic Mimesis skin :)
I've been playing since the beta. I have fought in major wars across the length of the game. I was in ASCN fighting Bob along side the titan Steve. I've been in Jove space due to a bug many years ago and snatched out by devs using their dev commands. I've flown for 3 of the 4 empires in Faction Warfare (still my favorite part of the game). And after all that...
I'm still newb.
Oh, and something that still gets me is that I pronounce Abaddon the way you do. But most of Eve players pronounce is, "ah-bad-den".
ihave a toon that has like 450k skillpoints, and its his "end game" he is happy doing what he does, another one has 129million sp and i keep thinking "this is just never gonna finish" ... my proudest moment was when i got myself on a Killmail of CCP Swift while flying a Venture, because i rarely do pvp and well he is CCP Staff, my participation had no impact on the outcome, yet it's been a proud moment. bottom line is that there is no Meta, peopele putting themselfs in boxes of definition just limiting themselfs, same as in IRL
Great video from whs with love 🍻
As someone who has played since 2004 I find the longevity of Eve comes from the developers constantly bring in updates which change the nature of the game, moving the goalposts as it were. Even now I would never dare to call myself an expert on anything, but I can say I have had more experience in playstyle A as opposed to B and therefore am comfortable with whatever playstyle A is. I might even pass on some advice should I be asked. But people love to work things out on their own and that is a true Eve player.
Eve has no end game!! I have been playing since 2016 and am still learning. Eve about friendship, find your niche. For me it's exploration as a wingspan delivery agent I have the option of flying solo or part of a fleet. I can log on to discord or not. Eve is my way to de-stress, pass some, time catch up old friends I have never met irl. Oh Eve has the best community of any online game I have ever played they are so new bro friendly
I stopped feeling like a newbro when i moved to null, and became a bittervet when i stopped caring about ESS money and dealing with wormholers became transactional. There is no end game, as long as it's fun, i'll keep subscribing. When it's not fun anymore, welp, it'll go the way of wow.
From a different MMO i understood that "endgame" is mostly mindset, not just in game stats, money, etc. Now i guess i was right
I've been playing on off for 10 years and consider myself not a noob, and yet have not touched most of the 'end game content'. I subbed 2 accounts for 2 or 3 years skilling and waiting. Did a lot of FW Farming. Dreamed of all the things I want to do. But life changed and I stopped playing. Since I have not been motivated to subscribe again just due to life and the sticker price of 2 accounts. I have been doing ALOT of Alpha content. I've tested and done everything just about now and know what the limits are. Probably spent more time playing Eve for free. But that means there is tons of stuff I have yet to do. Yet I have probably a few thousand hours of Eve experience. Not a noob but have not done most things!
My endgame is having 100 skill farming accounts,im up to 70 accounts currently plexed.
Been playing for over 19 years done all most everythink in game,now just chilling within goons and having a good time still.
Load a crystal of every type for the care bear stare abaddon😂
I just started a few months ago. Its quite an expansive game. And i have yet to spend a cent.
That's what I did. Need to know what I'm doing first.
@napintojimslim I'm retired. I got plenty of time.
I'm over 15 years in...I'll let you know when I stop feeling like a new player...I really think that there is a version of the Dunning-Kruger effect at play in EVE
My content is:
DED sites
PI 126 planets
Farming wormholes day tripping
Mining anomalies
Ratting
CRAB
The crazy thing is, that's like 10% of the game. There's so much more to do in the game, different ways to make isk
Only been playing for 2 years
A t1 battleship is your end game, that's precious
Once I fly and lose a Titan, manufacture every ship, mine and huff every harvestable, anchor every structure, and FC every type of fleet possible... I have then, won EVE.
That's a big list.
You are forgeting stealing every corp wallet
you win the game when you stop playing, been playing since 2009, i have no idea whats going on now a days, i just run lvl 3 and 4 missions just to say i still play.
The end game is when you have 3 computers with multiple monitors on each and multiple internet lines with super quick ping rates to the eve online server.
Now you have reached the end game.
@@danhammond9066 The pinnacle.
Eve is the greatest MMO ever made but the learning curve is basically straight up. I have been in and out of Eve since 2008 and I still consider myself a noob.
I do think you have to quit at least once to stick with the game.
@@bucklinfondue I think that's actually true, if you come back after that first quit then you will never truely quit. When I quit the game due to some changes that in my mind killed the game and years later I came back and those changes didnt actually change that much for me personally I realised that the changes might suck in the short term but the game stays relatively similar so that eve itch can always be scratched :)
When there is no more bigger fish than you, its the end game, and it can be long, very long!!!
I think endgame begins when you have all lvl 5 skills surrounding your favorite way to make ISK.
To me, you start being a "new player" when you get confident with mid-level gameplay in your chosen niche. Literally, you're no longer new when you become "mid-level".
For example, I consider myself a mid-level miner. I have a small fleet of high-level exhumers with a Command ship & a hauler.
The catch is that I'd consider myself a newb again if I go to something else. If I switched to Faction Warfare, I'd revert to being a child again. Maybe not completely new, but I'd definitely screw up the easy stuff.
Started playing may 2003 and I still feel like a new player😂
Way way way back. My friend got me into eve. I was doing ok. I was having good fun. He said hear ya go. He gave me a million ISK. I played for few more minutes. Then logged. Three days later he called me. Dude. I thought you were having fun. I said yeah. But now that I got million ISK. What the heck else can I do. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13 years later on my 2nd extended break. September 20th I am coming back.
@@billnotice9957 yeah it seems it's a right of passage to quit a few times
It took me 2 years to actually understand everything in the Fitting window.
When other players dock up just because you entered the system, you know you've won EVE...
I bet you have all the Vexors in Null terrified
@@AutonomousDonk 90% of players in nullsec would dock up if they saw their own shadow....
Best thing about eve is there is no endgame. You can be a miner from day 1 or day 15000. You can pvp in a frigate day 1 or year 12.
Could argue you are no longer new when you can self- fund plexing your character and make / buy all the kit you need for the activities you enjoy without needing to use your credit card… but I speak as a 15yr vet who has stopped and started several times and never wanted to fly anything bigger than a T2 battleship
Try setting a goal to make enough ISK to buy enough PLEX so you don't have to use any real world money to always be Omega. ;)
When you get a proper income source you will become a proper eve player, about end game there's no endgame in eve its a continues universe, winning eve means either you permanently stop playing the game or ccp decide to stop eve and permeatly cut servers
"end game" of EVE Online is having enough knowledge and skill to fund any activity you want to do, including unconventional PVP.
As a bitter vet from 2007 on, I think it's amazing that there are still new players finding this old sandbox and figuring out how to use the tools. That's not a slight at all, but a comment on how relevant the game has stayed. That for me, is one reason I keep coming back. The Abby is a worthy goal. Good luck to you. The Paladin isn't too far off after that 😂
I think that eve endgame is having the money to do what you want with having to grind thousands of hours. It doesn't mean you have to be omega even.
@@geshscale6068 it's all about making the big bucks.
I've met new noobs, I've met OG noobs (literally teh guy has been playing 10+ years but has no idea about pvp or pve). I been playing 4 years im always learning but i am always diversifying my exp
i started eve last week
Right on! Can't wait to see you out there.
@@bucklinfondue abyss runs are fun. thow combat anomaly mining makes so much more. i just need people to help me keep it open or clear the site
I have played many years and spent thousands of $, I play 15hrs a day I retired early, still I think Im nowhere near the end......
Why for every eve online vid, there tons of comments on how to: not quit, or have fun or not burn out. I feel like other games don't have these types of comments. If players need to motivate other players to keep going, maybe there is sth. wrong with the game design?
I feel like EVE has such a tall barrier to entry and people know that if players can make it past that barrier, they can really enjoy it.
Bucklin . Your name is Bucklin
@@USA4thewin yeah, it's long for Buck and short for Bucklington
I’ve been a new player for 16 years
Eve Online endgame is called r/eve and biomassing
end game eve content is when you pay your mortgage with isks farming 20-30b a day
the end game of Eve online is being bored of the whole entire game and being so damn rich there's no challenge left you have so much money you don't have to give a shit about anything you fly
There is no Eve Endgame.
Not a typical one.
end game is palatine, u heepy.
what the fuck did you just say about bob
As an 12 Years EvE PvP Player i can Tell you Endgame is shit. PvP 1vs As Many the Enemy can Field. Thats all. if you like it enjoy it!
lol no. just no.
EVE is not a game. its an idea. its delivers what star wars said, A galaxy far far away.
Wtf is bob
Band Of Brothers. Used to be one of the biggest alliances in eve
I stopped being a new player 15 years ago when I quit Eve. That is the endgame. Eve is a terrible game.
I was also confused when I heard the FW guys talking about "plexing". At first I thought it meant buying plex to fund buying ships, it wasn't until someone invited me to go plexing that I realized they meant running complexes.
Seriously. It's like Canada at one time despite having only like six football teams, two were named rough riders. Be more creative.
@@bucklinfondue To be fair referring to complexes as "plexes" predates the introduction of PLEX, before that there were ETC (EVE Time Codes).
Contact me in game for a nice surprise. Qanata. I’ll give you a gift for your Abaddon ambitions. :-)
Can do!
When you get a proper income source you will become a proper eve player, about end game there's no endgame in eve its a continues universe, winning eve means either you permanently stop playing the game or ccp decide to stop eve and permeatly cut servers