I enjoyed your video. I am retiring in January 2023 and I purchased a Shopsabre Pro 510 with ATC and vacuum table. I have a 40’ X 60’ shop on my property which I had to also upgrade my power panel from 100 Amp to 200 Amp service to accommodate and power everything in my shop. In the process of learning CNC I built 2 CNC machines from scratch. I made many mistakes which was very helpful in learning the craft. My plans are to use the small CNC (5’ x 5’) as much as possible and only use the large CNC for mass production. A couple of points that are worth discussing are the cost of associated equipment and bit cost; i.e. dust collectors, vacuum pumps, air compressor, air dryer (a must for ATC machines average cost range from 1K to 3K), tool holders, tool collets, and the power bill to run all of the equipment. If you are starting from scratch the cost of buying and installing the associated equipment including bits can be as much or more than the cost of the CNC. I believe when purchasing a CNC the buyer should spend as much time selecting all of the required associated equipment. Running my large CNC 40 hours a week, I estimate my power bill to be 1000 per month. My CNC will arrive the week before Christmas 2022. I have a lot of ideas but still have not decided on what to make. Many of the items you discussed are very helpful on limiting and deciding what products to make and where to sell. Again, GREAT JOB on the video!
The first half of the ruclips.net/user/postUgkx3ICSK6nSknaL_45CU2NmFSoXjarGMDiJ book is everything about wood: types, tools, finishes, setting up shop etc. The second half is all about doing projects for inside and outside of the home. The color pictures are helpful. After reading a dozen of these types of books, this is probably the best overall (layout, color photos, plans). Only detraction is that many of the projects use a table saw/router/planer, which are usually expensive and take up space, so the plans are less friendly to newcomers and the budget conscious. But I know I can use a drill, circular saw or a jigsaw to make the projects.
Thank you for the detailed information. I was looking at laser cutters but did not want to deal with the burned edges. Now I see that a CNC machine will do what I need, the size options and cost information was great.
I’m a 62 year old logistics manager by day and woodworker at night. My past passion was building houses, decks and so on. Always a side hustle to make extra money. I have done a poor job at saving for retirement, but a good job at spending money on lathes, learning epoxy and buying other things that is going to help me get out of logistics job and go full time in my 24x32 work shop. Small, yea, but everting is on wheels lol. Your videos has inspired me to make another investment in my tools and education. My cousin has an industrial size machine that I was spent hours just watching it do what it does. Thank you for your insight and what feels to be full transparency. You have helped me a lot. Thank you!
Great video! You are an impressive young man. I am retiring in mid 2024 and I am considering CNC as a retirement side hustle and maybe including my son as a partner. He will be retiring from the military in 2026. Your video gave me great ideas for planning.
I built my own, and I was lucky to have a bunch of scrap metal to use for the frame. My machine has about 350lbs of force behind the tool, and a work area of 35"x46"x8". Running a makita compact router with ¼inch endmills and router bits. I run it with an arduino uno and independent stepper drivers. Its 100% opensource, and I use univeral gcode sender to operate it. Maybe cost me about $1200cad.
Thanks for the info. I'm currently building a full size CNC on my channel for less than $4000. Built a CNC plasma a couple years ago for less than $2500.
Great video! What I missed though is what you use the medium and large size machines for? What I mean is typically what kind of work you do with them. Learning a lot from your channel. Thanks a lot!
Building 30x40 shop at house. Bought 5x10 AVID cnc for small production. Have room for three tables eventually. Also have flora 4x8 UV printer on way end of July. So needless to say fun times ahead.
Very good and informative about choosing a CNC. You asked for ideas. What about a series of videos - this way they can be shorter and succinct. Start with how someone might start with a small CNC to build a “side hustle business including how to get customers and how to think about charging - things you learned on your journey with pros and cons ( like you did in this video). The next set of videos would be moving into larger machines and how to think about getting enough clients to justify being in that business, etc. I would believe you learned several useful things not only about the CNCs but business thoughts about growing the business to justify moving it to the next level. Thanks again for your insights on different level CNCs
@@cutting-it-close Looking forward to the series. I am almost 65 years old and looking towards my next 65 (or as long as I can last). In my case, it would be awesome to earn enough money from my more recently acquired passion of making things. i have found it is always helpful to learn what can be learned from other people's experiences. No two business ventures are the same, but the thoughts about how one goes about establishing the business and concepts applied can be transferable if one has an open mind. I will look forward to hearing what you have to provide. Until then I will stay subscribed and see what you are producing. Good luck and wishing you continued success.
Thanks for the video. Your comments about cutting speeds and bit sizes between different machines is kind of the secret nobody is talking about. My project is making molds for fiberglass parts.
What a great video! I got thrown into cnc not knowing what they really do and now that I've been using the basics I'm looking to see what else I can do, this video helped me realize I'm sitting on a gold mine. I have a biesse Rover a3.65 and have barely touched the surface of it's capabilities it seems. Thanks for the great video
I have a small hobbyist CNC and I have been toying with the idea of a larger fly cutter/surfacing bit. There are so many different types! Could you do a video about these? Carbide inserts vs one I would call more traditional... 1/2 inch vs 1 and 1/2 inch... 1/4 inch shank vs 1/2 inch shank... etc!
I actually JUST ORDERED this new Shop Sabre 5x10 CNC and it's 18-20 weeks out. Only problem which is a HUGE PROBLEM is I have NO IDEA how to use it or draft "yet I am certified in Graphic Design". I'm basically going from building with power tools to taking a HUGE LEAP to this CNC. So, although I know most people would say that's a bad idea... I still did it and I still find myself in this situation with 4-5 months to learn how to draft and run a CNC. Are there any classes I can take? Or if you're willing to teach me, I will literally take a ✈️ airplane to you and pay for you to teach me. I am absolutely 💯% SERIOUS about this. Can you please steer me in the right direction?
Really in depth explanation on how to choose a machine. Very nice info about all the categories makes it dead clear what to buy. I love your passion about these machines and the way you involve the business and hobby side around it. The transmission of information is so easy to acknowledge.
Wow, I was kind of confused and disgusted when he said how much the large machines cost. I didn't know they could get that big. I had even written a kind of ranting comment about it (not aimed at anyone in particular though) but thought I should chill out and read through some comments first before posting it. I'm glad I came across yours:)
@@zachcrawford5 it was a completely different style, heavy enough to mill out granite and had three beds so stuff could be loaded and unloaded while others were being machined, I definitely want to see it in action but I just build the frames that get sent off for the moving parts, anyways look up Komo machines
Great video, just like all of your other videos. I purchased a cheap Chinese 3 in 1 CNC machine that I am still waiting to be delivered. I downloaded the free Autodesk, so I can practice creating parts, and like you said, its a blast and a lot of fun. I think your advice on start small to see if you like it is spot on the way to go. TY!
Thank you very much, this was exactly what I was asking for on your early video! Keep up the good work. I'm curious what the other two machines are. I'm at least 6 months out from any purchase, but at this point I'm leaning towards a 4x4 Avid Pro. If I can make the space available...
Hi, I am a wood carver and I would love to buy a CNC but what I am more interested on is that it is fast and that it can carve pieces no larger than 20 by 12 inch pieces but that they would be about finished coming out of the machine. Could you think of one that would do this?
this was great information, I made a decision on a ShopSabre RC8 model CNC. I hope I made the right decision. I am a novice and jumping in feet first for my side hustle. Thanks for the info.
Looking for a cnc router to make some tool organised drawer...like pockets for each of my tools, screw drivers, keys, punches, etc. I made woodworking for 50 years and have all the machine tools i need. This will be as a retired hobby, i like to learn more and more. What could be the best machine for having fun 5 hours a week. Thanks.
We got our ShopSabre Pro510 (the same as the IS with smaller drive axis servos) in February and the 1st project we ran on it paid for 1/2 the machine. We had a 5x5 table that was a great starter machine and we got some amazing work off of it but the Pro510 absolutely puts it to shame.
@@cutting-it-close Which vacuum pump are you running? We jumped right into the Becker because we do quick a bit of plastics and needed the extra holding force.
Great Video man... I would love to hear more about your laguna mid level machine. I have an upgraded Xcarve/cnc4newbie. I've learned lots of basics with this machine. But I like to jump into the laguna swift possibly.
I am waiting to have my IS510 delivered...it was shipped from MN and is in storage in the Houston area (about a month while I finished some shop upgrades) and should be sitting in my shop this next week or next...can't wait. I already received my 15 hp Becker vacuum pump...what a beast that is...going to have to keep my wife's cat from walking across the machine when that thing is running.
@@steinbierz yeah they’re definitely sturdy, there’s even a step above IS called the ISM and it’s all like 3/8 material instead of 3/16 Then you’ve got komo which is another brand but I’ve also worked on them, you could slam a forklift into one of those and barely even touch it
Hey, thanks for all your videos. I have a SS Pro408 myself. I was curious if you have a video or design for your CNC jig? I really want to use my hold downs but can't with my spoil board in place. The spoil board covers my tracks...any suggestions? Your jig looks like it might work,
I’d love to know more about your decision to select ShopSabre as your large CNC brand of choice. Navigating the different CNC brands is tough as a CNC newcomer, even after controlling for price, features, manufacturing location, etc.
He probably did it because it’s a better machine that the Laguna. Shopsaber pro and IS have all ball screws for all 3 axis vs rack and pinion on Laguna machines. Air balancer piston on the z axis helps lighten the bigger spindles which increases the speed availability on the z axis. They’re built in America
On the shop sabre IS 510 what pitch are the ball screws? I want to make my own DIY machine and I’m basing the design on the shop sabre but trying to save money 🎉
7:00pm. Current IQ model has a 3 hp head and the recommended bits are 1/8 1/4 and 1/2. I understand this video is a couple years old. Is the current model sold with the larger head?
Since you have two Laguna models, why did you choose the SHOP Sabre over maybe getting a Laguna Smartshop CNC? My wife and I have a shop we sell on ETSY, we're in our 4th year and will hit over $200k gross this year, but thats working 10-14hr a day EVERY day, EVERY week. We have 2 desktop laser cutters, but we want to move to that next level with bigger, more expensive stuff and hopefully work a little less, though maybe you thought the same thing lol. I'm just trying to research as much as possible. So far i'm leaning towards Laguna Swift series CNC. Thanks for any feedback.
@@cutting-it-close 1 mil.....jeez lol. I'm at that point I'm sure you were at where its almost too much work for you, but not almost to possibly hire someone even p/t. Did you get the Lagunas or the ShopSabre 1st? Would you go all ShopSabre cnc's if you could go back in time? How long have you been selling on ETSY?
I do very small intricate inlay work-MoP & Abalone inlay into wood. Inlay material averages 1-1.25mm thick. inlay size varies around 40mm x 60mm. I am looking for a small, but very stable machine and quality controller. Any recommendations>>
In the market for a cnc for my small shop to increase efficiency on my side hustle business. Subbing as it seems you may have good info for a guy like me!
So pleased to have joined the journey of your channel at the beginning looking forward to the trip. I know as a newbie I have to learn the ropes first ( get my first cnc next week ) but I would love to learn how to do to scale topographic carvings of mountains please could do a video on that subject.?. Thanks again Jason 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Have you used the smallest Shopsabre cnc? I know it is more expensive than similar size machines and I have been on the fence about buying a small CNC for over a year now. I am not sure if the shopsabre is worth the extra cost
I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot can't wait to see some more I have a couple questions for you . I have a laser cutter engraver I have been learning on the last couple months and am seriously thinking about a cnc in a couple months I have been doing ok seeking signs and boxes to people I work with and customers. What do you recommend for stuff to do k and sell not sure which way to go boxes and nic-nacs or custom signs open to suggestions any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Tom
What size spoil board do you run on your IS 510? I know that most of the time I will not be cutting panels larger than 4' x 8' on my IS 510 and thought that it might be beneficial to use a 4' x 8' spoil board and be able to use areas of the rest of the table for fixing to the bed's t-tracks.
I use a 5x10 spoilboard then just cover the areas with cardboard or cover sheets when I cut 4x8 on it, I use a lot of 5x5 and jig fixtures so I need all the room
I dream about "big" machines like everybody.... BUT.... I still think that having two (or three) medium machines is way better: 1. during loading and unloading the machine the machine does not produce money. It is idle. With more machine you can liad/unload one while the other is working. 2. If something brokes then your done. You're stopped for weeks waiting for the spare parts or repairing it. Your customers will not wait and you will loose them. Having multiple machines will keep you alive with a big safety margin. Unless you need a huge MRR I do not see the point of having a machine costing four times more just to have 50% increase in MRR. Just my two cents here.
The insurance part of it and making sure you have a backup is very necessary in my eyes. The loading and unloading just depends on how long you changeout cycle is. When I got my huge one that I have now, I would have to hire another guy to run the other one because the machine is so fast that he does not have time to changeout another CNC.
Looking at the Legacy Maverick 2020 4x8 CNC with ATC, vacuum table, 6hp air cooled spindle. It requires dry air and a minimum 1500 cfm dust collector (I have). It also has a turning center with a 10" through that's 79" long. Can you offer any advice / insights? It's about $47,500 delivered and includes 2 days of training at their facility in Utah. I subscribed.
Don’t mean to put my nose in where it doesn’t belong. But maybe a couple of tips from someone who has thirty years of Cnc experience. First the guys from Legacy are a great bunch of guys I’ve had great conversations with them at IWF Atlanta a few times. I personally bought a second hand Arty 58 I believe and was my first Woodworking Cnc. I loved the interface was great but the quality not so much. The whole thing was stamped metal and gears were all plastic. I made some great things on that machine but even when looking at their top machine which had incredible capabilities the frame work and quality was nothing like shop saber. Just something to think about.
Hi , First of all thanks for all your videos, they are great and very very unique on youtube. I learn a lot from them. now, I have a question, I need to buy a cnc and I know i will only cut hdf with a 3mm bit (straight, 2 flutes).. I will do that all day long. I heard and read a lot that for that size drill bit there is no point buying a "big CNC" as the bit will limit me anyways... I really want to take the best decision as i plan to make it a business... Thanks a lot for your thought on that :) Max
I just want to add that I know i won't need more than 80x60 cm of use space as my poducts are super small (10 x20cm) I can of course use bigger but it does not look like a big deal (maybe it is better 2 small cnc ? thant a big one ?
Hi, this was a very nice video. A video topic I would like to see is any advise for someone getting into the cnc world wanting to do a side business. I’m getting a onefinity cnc in two months and I’m trying to decide on a few ideas. My wife does custom tumblers and I’ve made a few signs for her customers but am I better off going down the route of custom one type projects or focusing on a limited product line that I can customize as an up charge ?
Great video, thanks! A question about the small machine: Which size and type of spindle makes sense? I.e. 1.5kW or 2.2kW? Air or water cooled? I plan to build something size about 1x1 meter like the WorkBee or LEAD OpenBuild, maybe with the biggest NEMA 23 motors. Which spindle size and type would you recommend for that one (for wood and a little aluminium)?
I've been looking into these machines as well and I read a lot of comments/reviews from people who have a 1.5kW spindle saying that it works ok but wishing they had just gone with the 2.2kw spindle and a lot of people who got the 2.2kw spindle being happy they went with it. So my judgment is If your shop/house can handle the power draw, go with the 2.2Kw spindle.
I like your video , I request you to create a video on, mini CNC used in jewellery ornaments making business, about machine specifications,its cost , Help mi,
Have one, actually a 6045 from a company name Ten High! Had a lot of problems with it, the stepper driver box was a complete joke, did'nt work at all, bought a new 3axis driverboard and after a lot of RUclips investigating i finally got it to work with Mach3! It now runs with hybrid steppers and a Masso controller, have used it to Mill 15mm.parts in aluminium to build a much larger machine, took some time, It's NOT rigid at all and the whole gantry is flexing a lot! It's the machine i use the most, so it's not useless in soft material, If you buy one, buy from a company who offers you support, not from Aliexpress, extra important if you are a beginner ! Regards, Peter
Thanks for these insights! Don't forget that your audience includes women who own or covet CNCs too, so it rankles when you say stuff like at 1:37, "if your wife gets angry at you" about having a CNC you can move it easily.. Good content, but try to avoid misogynistic comments... I subscribed and I hope your channel does well.
@Elaine Carmichael: Karen, I am sure he didn't intend for his words to be insulting or misogynistic, but it's sad that you decided to make a big deal about it for no reason. If you are so easily offended by every word someone may say, perhaps it's YOU with the problem, not everyone else.
So i bought a mid sized , very high precision metal cutting CNC 16 ATC about 18 years ago with little 'practical working' knowledge of what i needed to know to make it all profitable - massive, MASSIVE ERROR ! Everything 'CON' above i experienced on a larger machine without the nesessary learning process of the smallest, then mid-sized machines. it was like death by a thousand cuts... except each cut was a major cost and i never got to a thousand ! Start very small as a side hussle and learn all you can - question yourself, the business and do you really want more of it? What's the point of it if you have to spend 180 to only sell for 200 - that's alot of very many perfect efficient operations to make very little profit - one stuffed cutter and all the profit's gone gone gone... If you can start small and get many clients that want more more more etc, then make that cool headed decision, but otherwise, almost on a whim, no matter how bullish you feel, it will be a MASSIVE financial risk !
Great vids overall. Appreciate the passion and insight. Sometimes however you drop terms and you don't explain what they are. Nested Manufacturing or Mass Engraving as an exame in this vid
I don’t agree with some of your conclusions. I have a Shopsabre 23 and I run 3/8 bits all the time. I run 1/2 bits every once in a while, and for fly cutting I use a 1 1/2” Whiteside bit. I don’t even have the spindle, just a 3hp router. It works just fine.
Cuttin' It Close 40 ipm on the 3/8 bits with a step down of .2” is what I usually do. I have a 3 flute finish mill I use for outside finish work. I run it around the same settings. But yeah, the fly cut is usually not that deep. Precise Bits sells a nice set of collets just for routers that goes up to 1/2” collet
Cuttin' It Close the reason I’m running it slower is because most of my runs are finishing operations with a ballnose mill. I’m doing mostly 3D carving and not making cabinets
Love the video, but your opinion is slightly inaccurate or at the least very subjective. You can easily run 1/2" bits on small machines, maybe not at recommended chip load but nonetheless you can run big bits. Any spindle with an er32 Collette can fit a 1/2" bit. Secondly you can do everything your industrial machine can do on a budget machine, ATC, vacuum table etc. Obviously it's not going to be as ridgid as a structural steel welded machine hindering it's IPM but once again very easily attainable. I have first hand seen some home built machines that are super accurate, I own an Avid cnc aluminum extrusion kit cnc machine which I modified with servo motors, AtC spindle and vacuum table which was still under 20k where I can run parts at 500ipm all day long and replacement parts are dirt cheap if I wear anything out. I do agree if you have a business and employees and rely on the cnc for production I would strongly suggest investing in an industrial grade frame cnc but on the flip side anyone without those requirements would be perfectly fine and fully capable of producing very accurate parts with the likes of laguna machines or their Chinese counterparts which can be had for about a 4th of the price. As long as the structure is ridgid enough you can obtain amazing results and to top it off CNC machines are extremely simple machines once you get familiar with how they work, frame, stepper/servo components, controller and software and additional features like atc, vacuum/workholding etc. All those parts are upgradable and very easy to program.
Cuttin' It Close I’ve seen intermediate machines (like mine) with a 5 hp spindle that handle 1/2” bits just fine. I agree that your Laguna Cabot but in the $25,000 to $35,000 range there are many with the rigidity, HP, motors to handle 500” a minute with a half inch bit. Other than that one point your video was spot on.
@@cutting-it-close Thanks for replying. Ive just found your channel whilst considering my first cnc machine. What make/model would you recommend to start with. Im uk basked also. Thanks.
Hi so pleased to have found this site I will be 72 next March and a million miles from the thinks you are doing and may not come within what you are hoping this site is aimed at, but I am going to ask the question anyway, I spend 50 years laying bricks but had a good understanding of the construction site ending up as a construction site supervisor, I think I can hold my own in the carpentry side of construction and even DIY stuff, I am not looking to make money form CNC work but have been able to cover material costs from a few cutting boards etc since retiring in 2014 loosing my wife to cancer in 2017, I am that pice of driftwood not knowing if I am going to end up being a thing of interest reflecting the morning and evening light or will I remain floating on the sure side providing no good purpose, yes I know that I have asked a lot of things that I do not expect you to answer, but if I want to try my hand at using a CNC Router with a maximum of £2000 is there a machine preferably in the UK Or Europe a lot of postage and import taxes if bought from the USA Regards Colin
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I enjoyed your video. I am retiring in January 2023 and I purchased a Shopsabre Pro 510 with ATC and vacuum table. I have a 40’ X 60’ shop on my property which I had to also upgrade my power panel from 100 Amp to 200 Amp service to accommodate and power everything in my shop. In the process of learning CNC I built 2 CNC machines from scratch. I made many mistakes which was very helpful in learning the craft. My plans are to use the small CNC (5’ x 5’) as much as possible and only use the large CNC for mass production. A couple of points that are worth discussing are the cost of associated equipment and bit cost; i.e. dust collectors, vacuum pumps, air compressor, air dryer (a must for ATC machines average cost range from 1K to 3K), tool holders, tool collets, and the power bill to run all of the equipment. If you are starting from scratch the cost of buying and installing the associated equipment including bits can be as much or more than the cost of the CNC. I believe when purchasing a CNC the buyer should spend as much time selecting all of the required associated equipment. Running my large CNC 40 hours a week, I estimate my power bill to be 1000 per month. My CNC will arrive the week before Christmas 2022. I have a lot of ideas but still have not decided on what to make. Many of the items you discussed are very helpful on limiting and deciding what products to make and where to sell. Again, GREAT JOB on the video!
your comment is very helpful too, I fund out that the cost for the associate tools are huge
The first half of the ruclips.net/user/postUgkx3ICSK6nSknaL_45CU2NmFSoXjarGMDiJ book is everything about wood: types, tools, finishes, setting up shop etc. The second half is all about doing projects for inside and outside of the home. The color pictures are helpful. After reading a dozen of these types of books, this is probably the best overall (layout, color photos, plans). Only detraction is that many of the projects use a table saw/router/planer, which are usually expensive and take up space, so the plans are less friendly to newcomers and the budget conscious. But I know I can use a drill, circular saw or a jigsaw to make the projects.
Thank you for the detailed information. I was looking at laser cutters but did not want to deal with the burned edges. Now I see that a CNC machine will do what I need, the size options and cost information was great.
I’m a 62 year old logistics manager by day and woodworker at night. My past passion was building houses, decks and so on. Always a side hustle to make extra money. I have done a poor job at saving for retirement, but a good job at spending money on lathes, learning epoxy and buying other things that is going to help me get out of logistics job and go full time in my 24x32 work shop. Small, yea, but everting is on wheels lol. Your videos has inspired me to make another investment in my tools and education. My cousin has an industrial size machine that I was spent hours just watching it do what it does. Thank you for your insight and what feels to be full transparency. You have helped me a lot. Thank you!
Great video! You are an impressive young man. I am retiring in mid 2024 and I am considering CNC as a retirement side hustle and maybe including my son as a partner. He will be retiring from the military in 2026. Your video gave me great ideas for planning.
I built my own, and I was lucky to have a bunch of scrap metal to use for the frame. My machine has about 350lbs of force behind the tool, and a work area of 35"x46"x8". Running a makita compact router with ¼inch endmills and router bits. I run it with an arduino uno and independent stepper drivers. Its 100% opensource, and I use univeral gcode sender to operate it. Maybe cost me about $1200cad.
Thanks for the info. I'm currently building a full size CNC on my channel for less than $4000. Built a CNC plasma a couple years ago for less than $2500.
im buying my cnc in the next couple of days, and your videos have been a great help, thank you and keep up the good work
I really appreciate the lightly edited quick information. Keep goin!
Great video! What I missed though is what you use the medium and large size machines for? What I mean is typically what kind of work you do with them. Learning a lot from your channel. Thanks a lot!
Building 30x40 shop at house. Bought 5x10 AVID cnc for small production. Have room for three tables eventually. Also have flora 4x8 UV printer on way end of July. So needless to say fun times ahead.
Very good and informative about choosing a CNC. You asked for ideas. What about a series of videos - this way they can be shorter and succinct. Start with how someone might start with a small CNC to build a “side hustle business including how to get customers and how to think about charging - things you learned on your journey with pros and cons ( like you did in this video). The next set of videos would be moving into larger machines and how to think about getting enough clients to justify being in that business, etc.
I would believe you learned several useful things not only about the CNCs but business thoughts about growing the business to justify moving it to the next level. Thanks again for your insights on different level CNCs
@@cutting-it-close Looking forward to the series. I am almost 65 years old and looking towards my next 65 (or as long as I can last). In my case, it would be awesome to earn enough money from my more recently acquired passion of making things. i have found it is always helpful to learn what can be learned from other people's experiences. No two business ventures are the same, but the thoughts about how one goes about establishing the business and concepts applied can be transferable if one has an open mind. I will look forward to hearing what you have to provide. Until then I will stay subscribed and see what you are producing. Good luck and wishing you continued success.
Thanks for the video. Your comments about cutting speeds and bit sizes between different machines is kind of the secret nobody is talking about. My project is making molds for fiberglass parts.
What a great video!
I got thrown into cnc not knowing what they really do and now that I've been using the basics I'm looking to see what else I can do, this video helped me realize I'm sitting on a gold mine. I have a biesse Rover a3.65 and have barely touched the surface of it's capabilities it seems. Thanks for the great video
I have a small hobbyist CNC and I have been toying with the idea of a larger fly cutter/surfacing bit. There are so many different types! Could you do a video about these? Carbide inserts vs one I would call more traditional... 1/2 inch vs 1 and 1/2 inch... 1/4 inch shank vs 1/2 inch shank... etc!
I actually JUST ORDERED this new Shop Sabre 5x10 CNC and it's 18-20 weeks out. Only problem which is a HUGE PROBLEM is I have NO IDEA how to use it or draft "yet I am certified in Graphic Design". I'm basically going from building with power tools to taking a HUGE LEAP to this CNC. So, although I know most people would say that's a bad idea... I still did it and I still find myself in this situation with 4-5 months to learn how to draft and run a CNC. Are there any classes I can take? Or if you're willing to teach me, I will literally take a ✈️ airplane to you and pay for you to teach me. I am absolutely 💯% SERIOUS about this. Can you please steer me in the right direction?
Wow - all of our videos have been awesome! Thank you so much!
Thank you, I am working on making them better and better!
Really in depth explanation on how to choose a machine. Very nice info about all the categories makes it dead clear what to buy. I love your passion about these machines and the way you involve the business and hobby side around it. The transmission of information is so easy to acknowledge.
I can definitely attest to how crazy those super high end machines get
One went through the shop last year that had a 35 foot gantry
Wow, I was kind of confused and disgusted when he said how much the large machines cost. I didn't know they could get that big. I had even written a kind of ranting comment about it (not aimed at anyone in particular though) but thought I should chill out and read through some comments first before posting it. I'm glad I came across yours:)
@@zachcrawford5 it was a completely different style, heavy enough to mill out granite and had three beds so stuff could be loaded and unloaded while others were being machined, I definitely want to see it in action but I just build the frames that get sent off for the moving parts, anyways look up Komo machines
Great video, just like all of your other videos. I purchased a cheap Chinese 3 in 1 CNC machine that I am still waiting to be delivered. I downloaded the free Autodesk, so I can practice creating parts, and like you said, its a blast and a lot of fun. I think your advice on start small to see if you like it is spot on the way to go. TY!
Thank you very much, this was exactly what I was asking for on your early video! Keep up the good work. I'm curious what the other two machines are. I'm at least 6 months out from any purchase, but at this point I'm leaning towards a 4x4 Avid Pro. If I can make the space available...
instablaster...
Thanks for the info. I designed to just go big at first figuring it be cheaper in long run
Hi, I am a wood carver and I would love to buy a CNC but what I am more interested on is that it is fast and that it can carve pieces no larger than 20 by 12 inch pieces but that they would be about finished coming out of the machine. Could you think of one that would do this?
this was great information, I made a decision on a ShopSabre RC8 model CNC. I hope I made the right decision. I am a novice and jumping in feet first for my side hustle. Thanks for the info.
Looking for a cnc router to make some tool organised drawer...like pockets for each of my tools, screw drivers, keys, punches, etc.
I made woodworking for 50 years and have all the machine tools i need. This will be as a retired hobby, i like to learn more and more.
What could be the best machine for having fun 5 hours a week.
Thanks.
I just got a Shop Sabre 23, and seeing you making these videos makes me excited, I hope you keep them coming!
Great sharing experience man.. congrats for how you're focusing and scaling your business..! Love to see young entrepreneurship rocking the way..!!
Phantom cnc's are a game changer for as far as price goes now days. You can get a 4x8 for 20k now days.
Awesome video! I would like to seem some videos on how to sell CNC products to a wholesale market or distributors
greetings from me, cnc youtuber from Indonesia
We got our ShopSabre Pro510 (the same as the IS with smaller drive axis servos) in February and the 1st project we ran on it paid for 1/2 the machine. We had a 5x5 table that was a great starter machine and we got some amazing work off of it but the Pro510 absolutely puts it to shame.
@@cutting-it-close Which vacuum pump are you running? We jumped right into the Becker because we do quick a bit of plastics and needed the extra holding force.
We have a pro 408 at work, I know that is510 has to be a beast. I run that 408 wide open and it handles everything like a champ.
how much do those cnc's cost?
Let's talk about the software to run these machines. Thanks again
Vectric Aspire is my favorite but if your a cabinet maker there are others.
@@WShep Like what?
@@user-jw1tc4eo5e I'm not a cabinet maker so I don't know. I think Mozaik is one though.
I run a cabinet shop and we have that same shop sapre Cnc and for software we use cabinet vision with S2M center, it works great
I do more 3D work and use Fusion 360. Way better than anything else out there. Does CAD and cam in one package. Also does 2d work easily
Great Video man... I would love to hear more about your laguna mid level machine. I have an upgraded Xcarve/cnc4newbie. I've learned lots of basics with this machine. But I like to jump into the laguna swift possibly.
Just bought a ShopSabre. My first machine though, I didn’t want to have to buy another as growth takes place or be limited by capacity etc
What size is it?
Very good Ques are the power sources the same for all machines for example the small machine cannot plug into household power of 120 V receptacle
thanks for all your videos
Very impressive. Wish you well
I am waiting to have my IS510 delivered...it was shipped from MN and is in storage in the Houston area (about a month while I finished some shop upgrades) and should be sitting in my shop this next week or next...can't wait. I already received my 15 hp Becker vacuum pump...what a beast that is...going to have to keep my wife's cat from walking across the machine when that thing is running.
Shipped from mn? Well shit I’m willing to bet I welded the frame
@@heartysmacker7042 If you work at ShopSabre then you just might be right!
@@steinbierz no they outsource their frames
@@heartysmacker7042 Gotcha...well, the construction looks amazing...this thing is a beast!
@@steinbierz yeah they’re definitely sturdy, there’s even a step above IS called the ISM and it’s all like 3/8 material instead of 3/16
Then you’ve got komo which is another brand but I’ve also worked on them, you could slam a forklift into one of those and barely even touch it
Nice videos.. Just subscribed! Thanks from Indonesia🇮🇩
Hey, thanks for all your videos. I have a SS Pro408 myself. I was curious if you have a video or design for your CNC jig? I really want to use my hold downs but can't with my spoil board in place. The spoil board covers my tracks...any suggestions? Your jig looks like it might work,
I’d love to know more about your decision to select ShopSabre as your large CNC brand of choice. Navigating the different CNC brands is tough as a CNC newcomer, even after controlling for price, features, manufacturing location, etc.
He probably did it because it’s a better machine that the Laguna. Shopsaber pro and IS have all ball screws for all 3 axis vs rack and pinion on Laguna machines. Air balancer piston on the z axis helps lighten the bigger spindles which increases the speed availability on the z axis. They’re built in America
On the shop sabre IS 510 what pitch are the ball screws? I want to make my own DIY machine and I’m basing the design on the shop sabre but trying to save money 🎉
You are a very impressive guy. Congrats on the success
Can the Laguna(medium) cut sign materials like Cintra (PVC board), coroplast, and acrylic WELL from your experience ???
7:00pm. Current IQ model has a 3 hp head and the recommended bits are 1/8 1/4 and 1/2. I understand this video is a couple years old. Is the current model sold with the larger head?
I don’t think so, if you put a larger spindle, you would need a bigger frame.
Since you have two Laguna models, why did you choose the SHOP Sabre over maybe getting a Laguna Smartshop CNC? My wife and I have a shop we sell on ETSY, we're in our 4th year and will hit over $200k gross this year, but thats working 10-14hr a day EVERY day, EVERY week. We have 2 desktop laser cutters, but we want to move to that next level with bigger, more expensive stuff and hopefully work a little less, though maybe you thought the same thing lol. I'm just trying to research as much as possible. So far i'm leaning towards Laguna Swift series CNC. Thanks for any feedback.
@@cutting-it-close 1 mil.....jeez lol. I'm at that point I'm sure you were at where its almost too much work for you, but not almost to possibly hire someone even p/t. Did you get the Lagunas or the ShopSabre 1st? Would you go all ShopSabre cnc's if you could go back in time? How long have you been selling on ETSY?
Very helpful video thank you!
Please tell me your opinion about water cooled vs air cooled spindle? Ofc it's 1500w basic beginner (noob 😂) 80x60 setup.
I do very small intricate inlay work-MoP & Abalone inlay into wood. Inlay material averages 1-1.25mm thick. inlay size varies around 40mm x 60mm. I am looking for a small, but very stable machine and quality controller. Any recommendations>>
In the market for a cnc for my small shop to increase efficiency on my side hustle business. Subbing as it seems you may have good info for a guy like me!
So pleased to have joined the journey of your channel at the beginning looking forward to the trip. I know as a newbie I have to learn the ropes first ( get my first cnc next week ) but I would love to learn how to do to scale topographic carvings of mountains please could do a video on that subject.?. Thanks again Jason 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks for the video like to ask you where do you get the oak lumber
Have you used the smallest Shopsabre cnc? I know it is more expensive than similar size machines and I have been on the fence about buying a small CNC for over a year now. I am not sure if the shopsabre is worth the extra cost
I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot can't wait to see some more I have a couple questions for you . I have a laser cutter engraver I have been learning on the last couple months and am seriously thinking about a cnc in a couple months I have been doing ok seeking signs and boxes to people I work with and customers. What do you recommend for stuff to do k and sell not sure which way to go boxes and nic-nacs or custom signs open to suggestions any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Tom
What size spoil board do you run on your IS 510? I know that most of the time I will not be cutting panels larger than 4' x 8' on my IS 510 and thought that it might be beneficial to use a 4' x 8' spoil board and be able to use areas of the rest of the table for fixing to the bed's t-tracks.
I use a 5x10 spoilboard then just cover the areas with cardboard or cover sheets when I cut 4x8 on it, I use a lot of 5x5 and jig fixtures so I need all the room
@@cutting-it-close Thanks for the reply...could you please explain what the cardboard/cover sheets are for? Thank you.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
I dream about "big" machines like everybody.... BUT.... I still think that having two (or three) medium machines is way better:
1. during loading and unloading the machine the machine does not produce money. It is idle.
With more machine you can liad/unload one while the other is working.
2. If something brokes then your done. You're stopped for weeks waiting for the spare parts or repairing it. Your customers will not wait and you will loose them.
Having multiple machines will keep you alive with a big safety margin.
Unless you need a huge MRR I do not see the point of having a machine costing four times more just to have 50% increase in MRR.
Just my two cents here.
The insurance part of it and making sure you have a backup is very necessary in my eyes. The loading and unloading just depends on how long you changeout cycle is. When I got my huge one that I have now, I would have to hire another guy to run the other one because the machine is so fast that he does not have time to changeout another CNC.
Looking at the Legacy Maverick 2020 4x8 CNC with ATC, vacuum table, 6hp air cooled spindle. It requires dry air and a minimum 1500 cfm dust collector (I have). It also has a turning center with a 10" through that's 79" long.
Can you offer any advice / insights? It's about $47,500 delivered and includes 2 days of training at their facility in Utah.
I subscribed.
Don’t mean to put my nose in where it doesn’t belong. But maybe a couple of tips from someone who has thirty years of Cnc experience.
First the guys from Legacy are a great bunch of guys I’ve had great conversations with them at IWF Atlanta a few times. I personally bought a second hand Arty 58 I believe and was my first Woodworking Cnc. I loved the interface was great but the quality not so much. The whole thing was stamped metal and gears were all plastic. I made some great things on that machine but even when looking at their top machine which had incredible capabilities the frame work and quality was nothing like shop saber. Just something to think about.
Would appreciate examples of marketing the industrial CNC. Virtually no examples I've found on RUclips.
Marketing products that are made by the industrial CNC? or the services of an industrial CNC?
Hi ! Will shop sabre 4814 good for making cabinet ? Thanks
Is the intermediate one enough to make cabinet carcasses out of 3/4" 4x8 particle boards?
Yes it is
Hi ,
First of all thanks for all your videos, they are great and very very unique on youtube. I learn a lot from them.
now, I have a question, I need to buy a cnc and I know i will only cut hdf with a 3mm bit (straight, 2 flutes).. I will do that all day long. I heard and read a lot that for that size drill bit there is no point buying a "big CNC" as the bit will limit me anyways... I really want to take the best decision as i plan to make it a business... Thanks a lot for your thought on that :)
Max
I just want to add that I know i won't need more than 80x60 cm of use space as my poducts are super small (10 x20cm) I can of course use bigger but it does not look like a big deal (maybe it is better 2 small cnc ? thant a big one ?
Happy birthday ! Thank you for sharing your experiences
Hi, this was a very nice video. A video topic I would like to see is any advise for someone getting into the cnc world wanting to do a side business. I’m getting a onefinity cnc in two months and I’m trying to decide on a few ideas. My wife does custom tumblers and I’ve made a few signs for her customers but am I better off going down the route of custom one type projects or focusing on a limited product line that I can customize as an up charge ?
Cuttin' It Close thank you I look forward to that video
Great video
Great video, thanks! A question about the small machine: Which size and type of spindle makes sense? I.e. 1.5kW or 2.2kW? Air or water cooled? I plan to build something size about 1x1 meter like the WorkBee or LEAD OpenBuild, maybe with the biggest NEMA 23 motors. Which spindle size and type would you recommend for that one (for wood and a little aluminium)?
Bigger the spindle the better!
I've been looking into these machines as well and I read a lot of comments/reviews from people who have a 1.5kW spindle saying that it works ok but wishing they had just gone with the 2.2kw spindle and a lot of people who got the 2.2kw spindle being happy they went with it. So my judgment is If your shop/house can handle the power draw, go with the 2.2Kw spindle.
Liked the vid. 😜 Looking forward to see what you have coming down the road! 👍
Thanks for the video its very empowering, but being a 50 year old and a starter, is it possible to learn anything?
Have you cut melamine or double sided hpl with it?
I have a project and need to find a vendor like you! Do you network with other shops? I am just north of Birmingham, Alabama.
Great advice.
I like your video , I request you to create a video on, mini CNC used in jewellery ornaments making business, about machine specifications,its cost ,
Help mi,
can please you give me more information on your mid size machine
How did u start your business I would like to start too but not sure how to please help
Great video, very informative. Have you ever tried one of those cheap chinese 6040 machines?
Have one, actually a 6045 from a company name Ten High!
Had a lot of problems with it, the stepper driver box was a complete joke, did'nt work at all, bought a new 3axis driverboard and after a lot of RUclips investigating i finally got it to work with Mach3!
It now runs with hybrid steppers and a Masso controller, have used it to Mill 15mm.parts in aluminium to build a much larger machine, took some time, It's NOT rigid at all and the whole gantry is flexing a lot!
It's the machine i use the most, so it's not useless in soft material,
If you buy one, buy from a company who offers you support, not from Aliexpress, extra important if you are a beginner !
Regards, Peter
Are 4x4 good for table legs?
I like to know about program, which we can use now a days
@@cutting-it-close thanks.
Thanks for these insights! Don't forget that your audience includes women who own or covet CNCs too, so it rankles when you say stuff like at 1:37, "if your wife gets angry at you" about having a CNC you can move it easily.. Good content, but try to avoid misogynistic comments... I subscribed and I hope your channel does well.
@Elaine Carmichael: Karen, I am sure he didn't intend for his words to be insulting or misogynistic, but it's sad that you decided to make a big deal about it for no reason. If you are so easily offended by every word someone may say, perhaps it's YOU with the problem, not everyone else.
Muito bom parabéns
Nice.......these machines supported delcam & artcam....
Where can someone purchase a Large Industrial CNC like in this video? Who is the manufacturer?
This is a Shop Sabre IS510. I would highly recommend it. I have the IS 612 and it is worth every penny.
Definitely, your chances for error is exponential on a larger machine like that.
Stop collars are worth having. Take the time to set up collars on the bits you use the most and skip wasting time.
So i bought a mid sized , very high precision metal cutting CNC 16 ATC about 18 years ago with little 'practical working' knowledge of what i needed to know to make it all profitable - massive, MASSIVE ERROR ! Everything 'CON' above i experienced on a larger machine without the nesessary learning process of the smallest, then mid-sized machines. it was like death by a thousand cuts... except each cut was a major cost and i never got to a thousand !
Start very small as a side hussle and learn all you can - question yourself, the business and do you really want more of it?
What's the point of it if you have to spend 180 to only sell for 200 - that's alot of very many perfect efficient operations to make very little profit - one stuffed cutter and all the profit's gone gone gone... If you can start small and get many clients that want more more more etc, then make that cool headed decision, but otherwise, almost on a whim, no matter how bullish you feel, it will be a MASSIVE financial risk !
Great vids overall. Appreciate the passion and insight. Sometimes however you drop terms and you don't explain what they are. Nested Manufacturing or Mass Engraving as an exame in this vid
what is the model for cnc maschine_
I don’t agree with some of your conclusions. I have a Shopsabre 23 and I run 3/8 bits all the time. I run 1/2 bits every once in a while, and for fly cutting I use a 1 1/2” Whiteside bit. I don’t even have the spindle, just a 3hp router. It works just fine.
Cuttin' It Close 40 ipm on the 3/8 bits with a step down of .2” is what I usually do. I have a 3 flute finish mill I use for outside finish work. I run it around the same settings. But yeah, the fly cut is usually not that deep. Precise Bits sells a nice set of collets just for routers that goes up to 1/2” collet
Cuttin' It Close the reason I’m running it slower is because most of my runs are finishing operations with a ballnose mill. I’m doing mostly 3D carving and not making cabinets
Love the video, but your opinion is slightly inaccurate or at the least very subjective. You can easily run 1/2" bits on small machines, maybe not at recommended chip load but nonetheless you can run big bits. Any spindle with an er32 Collette can fit a 1/2" bit. Secondly you can do everything your industrial machine can do on a budget machine, ATC, vacuum table etc. Obviously it's not going to be as ridgid as a structural steel welded machine hindering it's IPM but once again very easily attainable. I have first hand seen some home built machines that are super accurate, I own an Avid cnc aluminum extrusion kit cnc machine which I modified with servo motors, AtC spindle and vacuum table which was still under 20k where I can run parts at 500ipm all day long and replacement parts are dirt cheap if I wear anything out. I do agree if you have a business and employees and rely on the cnc for production I would strongly suggest investing in an industrial grade frame cnc but on the flip side anyone without those requirements would be perfectly fine and fully capable of producing very accurate parts with the likes of laguna machines or their Chinese counterparts which can be had for about a 4th of the price. As long as the structure is ridgid enough you can obtain amazing results and to top it off CNC machines are extremely simple machines once you get familiar with how they work, frame, stepper/servo components, controller and software and additional features like atc, vacuum/workholding etc. All those parts are upgradable and very easy to program.
You can't run a 1/2" bit in that 4 x 8 Laguna??
@@cutting-it-close Gotcha.
Cuttin' It Close I’ve seen intermediate machines (like mine) with a 5 hp spindle that handle 1/2” bits just fine. I agree that your Laguna Cabot but in the $25,000 to $35,000 range there are many with the rigidity, HP, motors to handle 500” a minute with a half inch bit. Other than that one point your video was spot on.
There's no replacement for capacity, or whatever Thomas Edison said
Wow, the first model starts at $7,045!! I'd say that's a CON. LOL
If you really look around , a good 24 by 36 inch cnc router with ballscrews and hiwin rails can be had for less than $3500
Laguna Cnc 2x3 is $10,000 Canadian:( bought the “professor 2.3”
Brother is there a way to direct message you ?
drapelaworks@gmail.com
How have you built your business in order to afford these machines, especially at 25?
@@cutting-it-close Thanks for replying. Ive just found your channel whilst considering my first cnc machine. What make/model would you recommend to start with. Im uk basked also. Thanks.
How does a 25 YO get the experience to run a business such as yours?
Hi so pleased to have found this site I will be 72 next March and a million miles from the thinks you are doing and may not come within what you are hoping this site is aimed at, but I am going to ask the question anyway, I spend 50 years laying bricks but had a good understanding of the construction site ending up as a construction site supervisor, I think I can hold my own in the carpentry side of construction and even DIY stuff,
I am not looking to make money form CNC work but have been able to cover material costs from a few cutting boards etc since retiring in 2014 loosing my wife to cancer in 2017, I am that pice of driftwood not knowing if I am going to end up being a thing of interest reflecting the morning and evening light or will I remain floating on the sure side providing no good purpose, yes I know that I have asked a lot of things that I do not expect you to answer, but if I want to try my hand at using a CNC Router with a maximum of £2000 is there a machine preferably in the UK Or Europe a lot of postage and import taxes if bought from the USA
Regards Colin
My Axiom AR8 2' x 4' is NOT lightweight at all.....
She said my machine was not big enough...
wonder if you ever considered buying cnc from china ?or if you ever used one
Cuttin' It Close make sense ,,
"bits"