Eventful Paramotor Flight to Oxford: Engine Failure, Tangled Lines, and a Toilet Emergency
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Triple trouble in this beautiful unplanned flight to Oxford.
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So great seeing not just US paramotoring, but paramotoring from the UK, and especially areas that I know and near me. Great flight and video :)
Glad you enjoyed!
@@markallisonparamotor Definately and I look forwards to seeing many more :)
I live in Aylesbury, so it was cool to see you explore the Chilterns!
It's a good area to fly
@@markallisonparamotor Seems like it! Just out of curiosity, how much do you roughly need to spend to get started? Minus the training cost. I’ve been wanting to get into it for years but it seems like a huge initial investment.
All new gear probs around £8-10K. Used gear £4-5K
good it started ! ran out of fuel 2 days ago at welwyn garden city a very nice man drove and got me some fuel for me
That is very nice! I fly down that way sometimes, Digswell viaduct is cool.
Definitely sticking with the Nitro and Revolution engine options after watching your many engine woes!😉
I know right! I think I'm chasing economy and leaning it too much.
Another vote for the AC Revo engine - too much running on that Atom 80
Fantastic video Mark
I can't believe the amount of trouble you've had with this new motor. I had similar issues with a brand new Polini 190. I had over 50 motor outs with it
I think it's operator error, running it too lean is my current theory. Wow, 50 motor outs has to be a record! 🤔
Thanks for sharing your ups and downs Mark. Glad all worked out well in the end... Now you are making me feel more anxious to start exploring the southern Sweden with my paramotor 😅 🇸🇪
Glad you like it, things don't always go to plan! As long as you have an engine out option at all times during your flights, and someone ready to retrieve you, you should be fine. 👍
Good old 2 strokes always keeping you on your toes!!
I just expect it to fail every flight now
Amazing Video Mark, Thanks for Sharing yours Experieces showing us all the time what you see what you feel. I flew for the first time in Uk in Bicester Oxfordshire two months ago whith Skyschool . Unforgettable Experince and beautiful Fields view , for sure I will come back to Uk. Thank You Mark,From now on I will follow your Channel. Have Safes Flights!!!
Thanks, Oxfordshire is a nice area to fly around.
Excellent adventure!
Thanks! 😃
Useful to read the carb icing comments, Mark. My new PeaBee has the Moster 185 and this is a good reminder to be aware of the udeal conditions for icing. Cheers - keep up the great content. 👍
Thanks, I've never had carb icing on the Moster, maybe the Atom is more susceptible?
@@markallisonparamotor Maybe so, although I can't think why. Are there significant differences between the carbs perhaps? At least you have some ideas to prevent future engine outs, though - fingers crossed!
Really interesting to see the mishaps of this sport too. Thanks mate. Great vid.
More to come on my Isle of Wight flight. I like to show it how it is.
Well done for taking all those niggly issues in your stride.
Thanks for posting.
I'm a paramotor mechanic, and I occasionally fly. 🤓
@@markallisonparamotor Lol!
Great work with the back to back H3 launches! Lovely vid, keep warting 😊
Cheers buddy.
I do a different sport but have been watching paramotoring for years now. Normally when things go wrong multiple times i just pack up and go home 😆. Lots of people flying over my home lately near frogmore AL2. Hopefully one day i'll take up Paramotoring. Just keeping my eye on the new EFI paramotor at the mo. Seems the way forward i think. Thanks for posting the video. Love them.
Yes EFI does look like the future if you can afford it! Expensive engine.
Enjoyed the hell out of this content. New to paramotoring and its useful too see how issues are dealt with. Thanks for posting. Looking forward to more vids!
Welcome aboard! Lost more to come!
Great video. Nice to chat with you first thing at Membury today Mark. I never got my first flight today :( but watching your videos, the frustration of trying to train in the Winter will I’m sure be worth it!
I'm sure it won't be long before you're up in the air, nice to meet you too Karl!
Beautiful flight, thank you for sharing. I think you handled the issues quite well. God bless.
Thank you very much!
That is one long flight ! NIce video
Thanks, yeah that was a pretty long one
Hi Mark, it seems you are having a few problems with your Atom. Congratulations on making the 1000 subscribers.
Thanks Giles, just teething problems, I'm sure.
Hei Mark! I always catch you flying in my area near Mentmore! just got my kit and would be nice to fly with you sometime. Nice videos, keep it going!
Get in touch, there's an email on the About page, would be cool to fly together.
@@markallisonparamotor Will do!
Good stuff as always
IM amazed after all those flibs you survived lol! I’m x2 in a row “crashes” in a PPC.. fingers crossed My next is good!
It was a frustrating time, but was a great flight once I was finally up!
Yes sir sure was ! I’m in North Carolina USA, have a Powered Parachute, I was just in Norwich few weeks ago metal detecting as I do every year. I’d so love to fly that flat beautiful country! And first thing I thought I saw your take off field was “gosh, I wonder if he metal detects” lol
@@Treasuremonk no I don't do that but you might want to look up a British TV show called The Detectorists.
Oh yes ! A great show!
And while you fly, be looking for dark square or circles in the fields, that normally indicates an old home or barn
Crikey Mark, you’re having no luck with that motor.
I'm sure it's pilot error somewhere... 🤣🤣
@@markallisonparamotor hopefully this one seems to be carb icing as folk have mentioned.
Great video highlighting the need to check and not rush.
I’m hoping to be in the air soon! I’ve completed my first week training and had 2 mini solo flights. Fingers crossed for more novice friendly weather to complete :)
Worst year weatherwise for paramotoring that I can remember. Good luck with it.
@@effdee826 I’m from the West Midlands and currently with Sky School.
Luvly Jubbly 😎 ... good job you're fit ... all that extra running 🏃🏃
Thank you! 😃 I would still be there now, if not... 🤣
Carb Icing?
I have no idea. I think I might be running the engine slightly too lean.
Had same idea : 12C, high humidity, throttle at idle for decent, perfect conditions for carb icing
@@ZielinskiIrek ok I've never had that before. How to mitigate?
Deliberately skimming mist or cloud are ideal conditions for carb icing. Its the same as riding in winter fog on a classic bike. You can drastically improve it by using an octane additive or premium fuel. Also drain the carb bowl and check for water in the fuel, it will naturally be there through condensation. I'm finding your content excellent and really enjoyable. @@markallisonparamotor
@@markallisonparamotor
In GA aircraft with carbs - there is a "carb heater" function one can enable.
In absence there are only few things:
- be aware of risk conditions (google: carburetor icing probability chart)
most icing occurs when temps are 0-15C, below zero icing is less likely as moisture turns to ice crystals and passes trough carb
- high humidity (especially cloud, mist)
- low throttle setting (avoid idle when fling at those conditions, higher the throttle setting - less chance for carb icing)
I am 80% sure this was an issue in your video. Engine started OK after a while (after ice melted away).
Likely Atom 80 is more prone to icing than Moster.
We need EFI for our engines. Otherwize - engine outs and we scratch our heads for the magical reason...
No icing ever happens at 12°C(!?) or whatever lower: the engine is always enough hot, including the carb.
Install the EGT if not sure about the mixture.
I suspect bad carb tuning for idle/idle mixture. Or just someshit with fuel lines or debree in the fuel/carb. Install the intake filter.
Surprized about your tangled lines - how come you tangled in the _middle_ of the trip? Just keep the ends and brakes always in correct order or even better: attached and clipped in place - never gonna happen.
Nice flying, beautiful scenery!
Thanks for your comments. It's a new engine and the carb was tuned two days before so I don't think it's related to mixture. These motors are a bit of a mystery to me... my lines tangled on the ground before I took off, even after checking them. However I did move them to make sure I was into wind, and they probably tangled at that point.
@@markallisonparamotor It looks more and more you just might have a bigger internal problem with your engine. E.g. I had burnt 5 pistons before sending my engine back to Italy, where they fixed something and never told me what. Now I'm flying relatively smoothly... Sorry for advice but you might want to check your engine with a specialist (e.g. from cart racing). Best flying!
I figured it out, changed the spark plug and it's been solid ever since. 😅
New sub sunshine and rainbows with a spot of tea 😅
Classic fuel tank vacuuming. Are your fuel tanks air vents working properly
Thanks, yes they are fine. Others have suggested carb icing which is my main suspect at the moment.
hmm,, i wouldn't put too much weight on that, your flying in summer. The failure your experiencing is either heat expansion causing a tolerance to go out of spec or fueling failing to reach the spark plug/.@@markallisonparamotor
I come across that balloon most good mornings when I am flying around Abingdon / Oxford , I think it takes up paying passengers
Nice looking balloon! We have Virgin balloons near where I live most of the time.
Nothing but trouble that new engine of yours😮💨
I've richened it up a bit, running a bit lean I think.
Deffo carb icing Mark.
Yes a few people have suggested that now. The temperature was 12C, can it still happen at that temperature?
As you were going down into the morning mist, my initial thoughts were carb icing about to happen... and then it died!! That would explain why it started again with no issues soon after. You must have been knackered after all that running!!
Yes, maybe it was, but the temp was 12C. Still possible? How to address carb icing?
@@markallisonparamotor Pretty sure this is carb icing. Ice forms because of a pressure drop in the venturi. Conventional piston aircraft address this by applying 'carb heat' which basically directs hot air drawn from exhaust manifold over the venturi. Great video as usual, thanks.
Carb icing is just excess moisture in air, warmer it is the air can carry more water droplets. Hence good idea to keep out of mist or cloud which is saturated air. Anyway, great vid as usual. Basically there’s 2 types of pilots ….ones who have surprise engine outs and trouble. ….and the ones who haven’t yet.😂
I have had so many engine outs that I just expect it now on every flight... I've never encountered carb icing in over 500 hours of flying before, so this is a new one for me to watch out for. I've even flown in misty conditions in late autumn where the temp is below 5C with no issues. Maybe the Atom is more susceptible?
Carb icing can happen at almost any temperature. It's the relative humidity that's important. Just be aware of it when flying in cloud/mist that it's likely to happen... Reading up on it, it's most likely to occur when outside temp is 21 degrees or lower and relative humidity is 80% or higher. I think flying in the mist with the combination of running as lean as you can has probably caused it. Running slightly richer might mitigate, but not necessary eliminate, the issue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor_icing
Ironically, when you flew to Oxford in April 2022 you also had an engine out. So the moral of the story is..( Coming from a Cambridge boy ) is don't fly to Oxford :)
Haha, yes I know, I was thinking that too!
Sounds like a lottt of engine outs at the moment. Really hope these fuel injected motors become available by the time I train!
I hope you have deep pockets! The first versions are very expensive. I would wait for the second iteration where the niggles get worked out, and maybe price comes down.
that was bloody fantastic. i love to see these adventures and how other people manage problems. i am screaming in anger if stuff like that happens. well everything looks so amazing there and all i can say is if life gives you lemons you squeeze them into your tea, drink it way too early and pi$$ing rainbows all over the place while untangling lines mid flight.
i am so jealous to see these landscapes and open fields.
to your engine out: that didnt look anything like too lean. you gotta look into it again later. my first thought was fuel cap vent. it slowly starved first, then you couldnt restart it and then it started up like nothing happened. (as if the fuel cap vent had enough time to let enough air into the tank again) in case this happens next time you can also manually check it if you unscrew the fuel cap a bit and listen if alot air get sucked in. if thats the problem you will also see the tank get bigger.
if the engine dies from being too lean you usually had a cylinder eater. but then it wouldnt restart and work normal later.
check the fuel cap since you said you took alot gasoline with you this time. and maybe swap it or put a second fuel cap into a bag for next flight.
carburetor would be my next idea. it is not normal for any engine to just go out, unable to restart it. and then after 20 min it starts like nothing happened. smells fishy to me so be careful.
last thing: please adopt me and take me to fly there.
better still take some tools with you.
good point as well @@TONYPARAMOTOR
Fuel cap was tight, some people are suggesting carb icing so maybe that? Glad you enjoyed. I've never experienced carb icing before though, even in foggy winters in the UK.
Yeah I need to transfer them from my Moster.
@@markallisonparamotor icing: yes not sure. could be... even i doubt it. i dont think it have anything to do with that little bit of moist air as well. i would check carburetor. and you said the fuel cap was tight. exactly my point. if its too tight and the build in air vent is broken (which happens a lot!) then there cant get any air inside the tank so the carburetor doesnt get enough gasoline and starve. sounds exactly how it happens on your video. the little bitnif changing altitude could made the rest. fixing that temporary is to unscrew the cap and leave it half open to let air go inside the tank. you can easy test that by filling up the tank to the cap, start it on ground and run it up to cruise rpm. then leave it there couple minutes. screw the tank cap tight as possible. if the tank starts to shrink you found the problem and replace the cap. after stopping the engine you can also hear air get sucked in the tank while unscrewing the cap.
whatever it is. do not ignore it and hope it "fixed itself"
next time it might happen when you expect it the least and just play low over some trees or water. 🤙🏼😋
I like seeing the annoying parts of flying too. It makes me feel better when it happens to me 😂.
How have you set your risers up with tip steer so low ?
Hopefully people can learn from my mistakes, and I can learn from the comments too, win-win! The brakes are set to the lowest loop on the risers and the Hadron tip-steer kit has the magnets placed just above the riser loops.
@markallisonparamotor I may need to take a look at that. I would like to extend my tip steer too. As I have to reach up pretty high for mine. Are you 2d steering on that too ?
@@justharryjohnson7250 yep Hadron 3 is 2D steering.
Awesome vid, not done my training yet but definitely going too, i thought we are not allowed to fly over towns/cities?
In the UK you can fly over a town as long as you have enough glide to get to the edge and be above 1000' of the highest point. See page 4 www.caa.co.uk/media/jhip4ku4/safetysense-cap2562-paramotor_code-august.pdf
The last time it died was on approach, and this time it was going for a play in the low mist. I wonder if in level flight it is just about right in terms of the mixture, but the lower, denser air is just pushing it the wrong side of richness?
I think you are spot on! I have been chasing economy and might have been a bit too aggresive with it.
sounds more like the G forces making the swimmer inside carburetor acting funny?
@@cloudpandarism2627 I don't know about that. Last time it died he had little to no angle on and was descending pretty gently.
@@markallisonparamotor i never heard of thst. usually when the engine is too lean it will overhead and you damage the piston rings by burning them. in some cases the engine will start with reduced power after cooling down. a simple compression test can be done in every car repair shop and cost not more than 20 seconds. to rule that out compare compression you have with what vittorazzi say it should have.
Hot coil or new plug replacing coil
Sorry you're still having engine issues. Have you locked in an idea of what your fuel efficiency is now?
Fuel efficiency on the Atom is around 3.5 L/hr. not as good as I hoped if I'm totally honest. I sometimes get 3L/hr and under if I stay trimmed in, but I trim out most flights.
Thanks for letting me know. Can you remind me what wing/prop/auw please? Not sure how Dan Jones is getting 2.5L/h on his...
I suggest Dan is a lighter pilot with lower all up weight.
@@alankendal5857 Yes Dan weighs much less than me.
@@markallisonparamotor @alankendal5857yes his AUW is less but is it 30% less?
Seems the “moisture” in the air effected your motor? Moisture on the plug wire?
Yes I think it was carb icing.
Always pays to plan
Thanks for the video! How much does it cost to have the training to fly solo like you and to buy the kit? Just after a rough price as would like to get into paramotoring next year. Would £10,000 buy all the kit needed and training? Thanks
Yes £10K sounds about right. I recommend Mike Chilvers or Clive Mason, but it depends on where you are in the UK.
What sort of carb is on it? On 2 stroke motocross bikes you need to change jetting every 1k feet... Way around it it a 'smart carb' is that what these paramotors run?
No they are dumb carbs. It's a walbro. Efi has just been released by Vitorazzi for the Moster engine.
interesting! You should checkout some videos on smart carbs and see if they make anything that would fit. Seems such a logical market for them @@markallisonparamotor
Moisture from the clouds would have gone into the motor the sun would dry it out after 10 mins or so